Anita Sarkeesian

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Because why the hell is there not a thread about gamergate yet?

[iruinedyourday]

BECUSE THIS IS A FUCKING EQ FORUM YOU FUCKING LOOSER

[Champion_Standing]

I'll care about her when someone does a Steve Ballmer type vid of her saying

"misogyny misogyny misogyny misogyny"

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

LOOSER

I am not loose, I'm quite tight in fact.

[iruinedyourday]

I am not loose, I'm quite tight in fact.

not as tight as you like your 12 year old kidnapped children to be.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

You sure do cry a lot.

[Zadrian]

So this chick is mad because the amount of male vs female main characters is unequal?

[Champion_Standing]

So this chick is mad because the amount of male vs female main characters is unequal?

Shes mad about everything that you would imagine a feminist being mad about in games.

[Zadrian]

Fuckin bras

[iruinedyourday]

At least in EQ only the dark elves are sexy and the male trolls are more naked than Laura croft.

I mean because kagu wants to talk about whatever 4chan is fucking talking about in RNF ffs.

just change your gd name to kaguloves4chan already since kaguloves12yearolds was taken.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Shes mad about everything that you would imagine a feminazi being mad about in games.

She loaded up Hitman, went out of her way to find and kill one if the few female civilians (one that you are supposed to avoid entirely mind you), and screamed that the depraved developers made the whole game based upon the sexualization of brutality against women.

[Tongpow]

zero fucks given, who even goes to those sites like kotaku only "gaming journalist" site i go to is giant bomb and it sure as fuck isnt for their game reviews

http://38.media.tumblr.com/71583a3645b1ad8482b2f3de0011ef62/tumblr_mi2gs0vw5O1qmbtgao1_500.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Then there's the 150k she crowdfunded and made 5 youtube videos with it without donating a penny to any causes or refunding her supporters.

Liar and a thief.

[iruinedyourday]

She loaded up Hitman, went out of her way to find and kill one if the few female civilians (one that you are supposed to avoid entirely mind you), and screamed that the depraved developers made the whole game based upon the sexualization of brutality against women.

Dude if you are going to argue that video games don't have ridiculously immature rolls for women then you are just being an asshole contrarian (which you are so...).

Seriously do you even play video games?

IF you did pay attention to the art the conversations and her points, you'd realise that she is simply looking for a better standard for games to have. To be as fun, but more mature.

If you want to cry about it go ahead and cry about it, but you're a jackass if you think you are smarter, or know more than she does about the subject.

[Ele]

[QUOTE=KagatobLuvsAnimu;1601771]She loaded up Hitman, went out of her way to find and kill one if the few female civilians (one that you are supposed to avoid entirely mind you), and screamed that the depraved developers made the whole game based upon the sexualization of brutality against women.[/QUOTE

She doesn't even play the games she critiques. She rips off other Let's Play youtube/twitch streamers.

[iruinedyourday]

[QUOTE=KagatobLuvsAnimu;1601771]She loaded up Hitman, went out of her way to find and kill one if the few female civilians (one that you are supposed to avoid entirely mind you), and screamed that the depraved developers made the whole game based upon the sexualization of brutality against women.[/QUOTE

She doesn't even play the games she critiques. She rips off other Let's Play youtube/twitch streamers.

oh cool, you and her are good friends?

[Zadrian]

Dude if you are going to argue that video games don't have ridiculously immature rolls for women then you are just being an asshole contrarian (which you are so...).

Seriously do you even play video games?

IF you did pay attention to the art the conversations and her points, you'd realise that she is simply looking for a better standard for games to have. To be as fun, but more mature.

If you want to cry about it go ahead and cry about it, but you're a jackass if you think you are smarter, or know more than she does about the subject.


Lol you think there is a subject. You dumb bra.

Dude if you're going to argue that all female roles in games are immature, then you're just being blinded by your rampaging want to stick your wiener into Anita Sarkeesian.

[Ele]

oh cool, you and her are good friends?

Does it matter? Are you? You are white knight in hardcore.

[iruinedyourday]

Lol you think there is a subject. You dumb bra.

Dude if you're going to argue that all female roles in games are immature, then you're just being blinded by your rampaging want to stick your wiener into Anita Sarkeesian.

What are you talking about, there was a 20 person panel with 750 attendees at Pax on the subject.

It is a very real concern in game development.

In fact, you would be very hard pressed to find a game developer that didn't agree with Anita Sarkeesian, especially one that is currently relevant. However you would not be able to find someone who agree's with here in a forum where regularly people rant racist homophobic hate speak such as 4chan and the p99 forums.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

What are you talking about, there was a 20 person panel with 750 attendees at Pax on the subject.

It is a very real concern in game development.

In fact, you would be very hard pressed to find a game developer that didn't agree with Anita Sarkeesian, especially one that is currently relevant. However you would not be able to find someone who agree's with here in a forum where regularly people rant racist homophobic hate speak such as 4chan and the p99 forums.

http://i.imgur.com/5dTQ17D.jpg

[Tongpow]

yet none of them can make a game worth playing

go figure

[Champion_Standing]

zero fucks given, who even goes to those sites like kotaku only "gaming journalist" site i go to is giant bomb and it sure as fuck isnt for their game reviews

http://38.media.tumblr.com/71583a3645b1ad8482b2f3de0011ef62/tumblr_mi2gs0vw5O1qmbtgao1_500.gif

Kotaku, Polygon and those types make their money solely off of trolling people with their bullshit SJW articles to get hits. It's a hilarious situation really.

[iruinedyourday]

No really, fuck white night, posting memes and shit. Seriously, arguments that it is true that games are not in fact totally immature and have equal gender rolls?

You started this thread, did you start it just so you could repost white knight images and feel like you created something?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I mean fuck, they've already found out that she posted her own threats against herself. (The ones posted seventeen seconds after she logged off that were screenshotted WHILE she was offline). The industry is just afraid of the vocal Feminazis that have been stirred up into a frenzy calling everything that doesn't unconditionally bow to them a misogynist.

[Tongpow]

list some examples man, hardmode: no Japanese games

[iruinedyourday]

I mean fuck, they've already found out that she posted her own threats against herself. (The ones posted seventeen seconds after she logged off that were screenshotted WHILE she was offline). The industry is just afraid of the vocal Feminazis that have been stirred up into a frenzy calling everything that doesn't unconditionally bow to them a misogynist.

lol "they've" found out that "she posted".

ok, I'm gona let this thread degrade into the nightmarish hellholes that all the other, "black person this & gay people that" threads you fucking freaks love so much.

Jesus p99, SHUT RNF DOWN.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I AM SJW HEAR ME ROAR!

[Champion_Standing]

So are most male characters in games realistic?

I should be writing letters to devs about excessive muscle mass on male characters. Sheploo was a little unrealistic too now that I think about it, Bioware is gonna get a very angry email. Gonna start tweeting about this too, this is a fucking war.

[Arclyte]

shut up ******

[Tongpow]

Jesus p99, SHUT RNF DOWN.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/38e86572c4c363f671adf956d28a1444/tumblr_mp3smyrRCK1qcn63vo1_400.gif

[Glenzig]

Women are weak. Why would video games present them as anything but that? When was the last time a woman beat a man at anything? Never!!!
Women can't make men do anything! Men rule the world!

Edit: My wife says that I need to apologize for my above comment.
I hereby formally apologize for any and all comments that may or may not have been perceived as sexist and or demeaning.

[Skittlez]

Women are weak. Why would video games present them as anything but that? When was the last time a woman beat a man at anything? Never!!!
Women can't make men do anything! Men rule the world!

Edit: My wife says that I need to apologize for my above comment.
I hereby formally apologize for any and all comments that may or may not have been perceived as sexist and or demeaning.

[Argh]

Why do people complain about things that other people make?

If you don't like it, don't buy it.

If you want something different, make it yourself or get others to make it.

[iruinedyourday]

If you want something different, make it yourself or get others to make it.

We'll this is exactly what she is doing. She also makes videos on the internet that are informative and thought provoking.

She's an asset to the video games community!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

We'll this is exactly what she is doing. She also makes videos on the internet that are informative and thought provoking.

She's an asset to the video games community!

Oh.

I finally get it!

You're Lron!

[Pico]

kagatob's posts dont offend me because ive seen what he looks like lol

[Zadrian]

kagatob's posts dont offend me because ive seen what he looks like lol

I googled Kagatob and I got Secrets... rofl

[Champion_Standing]

http://www.chud.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tropesvwomen.jpg

[Glenzig]

We'll this is exactly what she is doing. She also makes videos on the internet that are informative and thought provoking.

She's an asset to the video games community!

Seriously?

[Pokesan]

i'm a big gay baby who cares even the slightest bit about video games journalism. women should not talk about games that's men only ok?

just kidding!

i pray to allah every day that kagatob gets the brutal beating it deserves

http://vimeo.com/64941331

[FoxxHound]

meh

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

i'm a big gay baby who cares even the slightest bit about video games journalism. women should not talk about games that's men only ok?

just kidding!

i pray to allah every day that kagatob gets the brutal beating it deserves

Are you retarded? What gender have to do with any of this?

[iruinedyourday]

Are you retarded? What gender have to do with any of this?

http://vimeo.com/64941331

[Bboboo]

The only winning move is to not play.

[Estolcles]

So are most male characters in games realistic?

I should be writing letters to devs about excessive muscle mass on male characters. Sheploo was a little unrealistic too now that I think about it, Bioware is gonna get a very angry email. Gonna start tweeting about this too, this is a fucking war.

Only males that are realistic in games are the sports games, and even then, those are atheletes, not average joes.

Make a Silent Hill with a fat 300 pounder with no ability to use a gun, THEN we can start talking equality in games.

[iruinedyourday]

Only males that are realistic in games are the sports games, and even then, those are atheletes, not average joes.

Make a Silent Hill with a fat 300 pounder with no ability to use a gun, THEN we can start talking equality in games.

I would play a game that was about a 16 year old fatty that was staying home alone and was like a horror movie version of home alone.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Hi, this is Lron the server legend. I'm a social justice warrior now. Well you sleep with me?

[Estolcles]

I would play a game that was about a 16 year old fatty that was staying home alone and was like a horror movie version of home alone.

That....... actually sounds like a great idea.

[Lune]

he's nor Lron, Harndold is lron

[iruinedyourday]

That....... actually sounds like a great idea.

Alot of what I like about anita is that she challenges the game industry to make games with better content. She likes story driven games and by calling them out for making tropy shit, she inadvertently asks for game devs to think about making more original stories.

For that, I thank her.

Also she is smarter, stronger, faster and cooler than you are kaga.

[Lictor]

On a releted note akageme ga kill got taken off Animeseason wtf

[Lune]

Alot of what I like about anita is that she challenges the game industry to make games with better content. She likes story driven games and by calling them out for making tropy shit, she inadvertently asks for game devs to think about making more original stories.

For that, I thank her.

Also she is smarter, stronger, faster and cooler than you are kaga.

What bothers me is the fact that the vast majority of people playing these games are men. Having a 'strong female character' shoved into the next Grand Theft Auto does nothing to enrich my experience. I highly doubt more women would have played GTA San Andreas if CJ were a woman. The vast majority of the violence in these titles is occurring towards other men.

I mean, I don't go on the internet and complain about how Lifetime or The View lacks strong, positive male characters.

[iruinedyourday]

What bothers me is the fact that the vast majority of people playing these games are men. Having a 'strong female character' shoved into the next Grand Theft Auto does nothing to enrich my experience. I highly doubt more women would have played GTA San Andreas if CJ were a woman. The vast majority of the violence in these titles is occurring towards other men.

I mean, I don't go on the internet and complain about how Lifetime or The View lacks strong, positive male characters.

Well, I mean.. what you're saying is that you cannot enjoy anything but 1 specific type of content. Which (and I mean no disrespect to you when i say this) is your loss.

That said, most of what she speaks out about is not that hero's should be female, but the violence the designers pick specifically for women that is the problem. You may not even have to have a strong female lead character, but when a woman plays the roll of domestic abuse victim in the background of GTA, or rape victim, it puts thoughts into young girls minds that they are not anything but prey.

Last but not least, the thought that 'women like lifetime' and 'men like gta' is not only justflat out wrong, but its midevil man, its like the fuckn Taliban ffs. These women we like to jump into bed with, are strong, hot, smart, bad ass mamajamas that like football, MMA, guns, fail videos and motorcross just like any of us.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Alot of what I like about anita is that she challenges the game industry to make games with better content. She likes story driven games and by calling them out for making tropy shit, she inadvertently asks for game devs to think about making more original stories.

For that, I thank her.
Bitching and moaning about tropes in an entertainment medium that she doesn't even participate in is not "challenging" anyone to do anything. She has an agenda to push and she's found an outlet full of impressionable people that are willing to back her.
Also she is smarter,
I have not as of yet convinced strangers to give me over $150,000 to produce sub-par content at next to no cost to myself. Yeah she's got me there.
stronger,
She makes a living on playing a victim. That is not a sign of strength no matter what way you spin it.
faster and
Nah, when I had one day's notice to leave my house earlier this year it only took me a few hours and I was gone gone. She seems the type who would drive 55 on the highway and grumble about everyone who passes her and their privilege.
cooler than you are kaga.
You think popularity is why she got death threats on 4chan? She dumped a bunch of garbage there and begged them to come after her. Guess what, she's not even close to the first person that 4chan has outed and publicly shamed and she won't be the last. Again, she lives to play the victim, this is exactly what she wanted. She poked a beehive with every intention of getting stung. Welcome to the twenty-first century.

So yeah, keep bringing in these oh so constructive pieces of dialog to the thread. You're totally not just white knighting/SJWing up the place... Fuck I feel disgusted just typing those two sentences. Fuck you and go back to tumblr already. Seriously.

[iruinedyourday]

Bitching and moaning about tropes in an entertainment medium that she doesn't even participate in is not "challenging" anyone to do anything. She has an agenda to push and she's found an outlet full of impressionable people that are willing to back her.

Whoah son, she is very much a part of the video games industry.

Again, you would be HARD PRESSED to find a game designer that doesnt respect her. She speaks at every GDC she organizes game jams accross the country and talks to designers across the world.

She is arguably more involved in the game industry than 80% of the developers in the fucking games industry.
n than
I stopped reading your post cus it looks like you took me literal for all that stronger faster shit.

So i can say with confidence...

..that this motha fuckn feminist has more of a fucking sense of humor than you do, kaga. That is just fucking sad.

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah, totally with iruinedyourday on this.

[Lune]

Well, I mean.. what you're saying is that you cannot enjoy anything but 1 specific type of content. Which (and I mean no disrespect to you when i say this) is your loss.

I enjoy all kinds of content. What I don't enjoy is having the artistic discretion of my bloody, violent, testosterone-fueled, man-garbage games trampled by someone more concerned with an external agenda than with the flavor of the game.

That said, most of what she speaks out about is not that hero's should be female, but the violence the designers pick specifically for women that is the problem. You may not even have to have a strong female lead character, but when a woman plays the roll of domestic abuse victim in the background of GTA, or rape victim, it puts thoughts into young girls minds that they are not anything but prey.

Men are disproportionately the victims of violence in these games. Doesn't that put thoughts into young boys minds that they are expendable, and nothing but predators? No, it doesn't, because that's not how it works. I'm a fat gentle nerd, and I'm going to stay a fat gentle nerd after I'm done beating an old man to death with a pixel baseball bat.

Last but not least, the thought that 'women like lifetime' and 'men like gta' is not only justflat out wrong, but its midevil man, its like the fuckn Taliban ffs. These women we like to jump into bed with, are strong, hot, smart, bad ass mamajamas that like football, MMA, guns, fail videos and motorcross just like any of us.

Anecdotally, yes, women out there like those things. Statistically, the vast majority of the GTA franchise's playerbase are male, while the majority of Lifetime's viewers are female. That channel's motto was literally "Television for Women". The same goes for most of the other video game franchises out there.

I don't even like any of those man things you mentioned. Consequently, I don't send letters to the NFL or MMA asking them to accommodate my basement-dweller tastes.

My point: Stop trying to force your personal agenda/values on peoples' means of expression. Ultimately, that's the most Taliban thing you can do.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Whoah son, she is very much a part of the video games industry.
Only after shoving herself into it and toting on like she is some sort of seasoned expert. She is all complaints and zero solutions. She has not made a single plan of action as to what can be done to "improve the video game industry".


WTF do you think would happen a new hire in any occupation walked into a board meeting and started telling the execs everything they were doing wrong? They'd see if that person has some miracle suggestion and kick their ass out when they don't.
Again, you would be HARD PRESSED to find a game designer that doesnt respect her. She speaks at every GDC she organizes game jams accross the country and talks to designers across the world.
Do you know why? Because 'feminism' sells and she's a 'big name' with a large following that's still very cheap to obtain on your roster.
She is arguably more involved in the game industry than 80% of the developers in the fucking games industry.
This part just doesn't make any sense to begin with so I can't argue against it because it doesn't even count as a point.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Yeah, totally with iruinedyourday on this.

Aren't you the moron who got obliterated in their "OMG LEAVE THESE GIRLS ALONE" thread?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I enjoy all kinds of content. What I don't enjoy is having the artistic discretion of my bloody, violent, testosterone-fueled, man-garbage games trampled by someone more concerned with an external agenda than with the flavor of the game.



Men are disproportionately the victims of violence in these games. Doesn't that put thoughts into young boys minds that they are expendable, and nothing but predators? No, it doesn't, because that's not how it works. I'm a fat gentle nerd, and I'm going to stay a fat gentle nerd after I'm done beating an old man to death with a pixel baseball bat.



Anecdotally, yes, women out there like those things. Statistically, the vast majority of the GTA franchise's playerbase are male, while the majority of Lifetime's viewers are female. That channel's motto was literally "Television for Women". The same goes for most of the other video game franchises out there.

I don't even like any of those man things you mentioned. Consequently, I don't send letters to the NFL or MMA asking them to accommodate my basement-dweller tastes.

My point: Stop trying to force your personal agenda/values on peoples' means of expression. Ultimately, that's the most Taliban thing you can do.

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[iruinedyourday]

Men are disproportionately the victims of violence in these games. Doesn't that put thoughts into young boys minds that they are expendable, and nothing but predators? No, it doesn't, because that's not how it works. I'm a fat gentle nerd, and I'm going to stay a fat gentle nerd after I'm done beating an old man to death with a pixel baseball bat..

Well you can argue with me vehemently about it, but I was just trying to make you at least think about it. It sounds like your mind is made up. You're the one that said you wouldn't play GTA if it had a female lead character.

But this one point I've quoted, I have to address. Stop playing the victim. Stop it. There are strong male rolls, there are fucking supermen out there. There are very few strong female roles and when there are, in games they are 36-6-36. Do not try to say that because men die in movies that it somehow might warp you into thinking you were fragile.

Although maybe you're right, maybe if you haven't seen so many die in movies and games you wouldn't think that women were out to ruin your video games.

[iruinedyourday]

Only after shoving herself into it and toting on like she is some sort of seasoned expert. She is all complaints and zero solutions. She has not made a single plan of action as to what can be done to "improve the video game industry".


WTF do you think would happen a new hire in any occupation walked into a board meeting and started telling the execs everything they were doing wrong? They'd see if that person has some miracle suggestion and kick their ass out when they don't.

Do you know why? Because 'feminism' sells and she's a 'big name' with a large following that's still very cheap to obtain on your roster.

This part just doesn't make any sense to begin with so I can't argue against it because it doesn't even count as a point.

There is no reason to talk to you about anything kaga becuse you will at all costs agree with NOTHING because you are a nihilist.

But go to bed knowing that feminists like comedy more than u do

[paulgiamatti]

Aren't you the moron who got obliterated in their "OMG LEAVE THESE GIRLS ALONE" thread?

Still unaware of any solid refutation to anything I said in that thread.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Well you can argue with me vehemently about it, but I was just trying to make you at least think about it. It sounds like your mind is made up. You're the one that said you wouldn't play GTA if it had a female lead character.
He didn't actually. Read his post again.
[QUOTE=Lune;1602106]Having a 'strong female character' shoved into the next Grand Theft Auto does nothing to enrich my experience.

But this one point I've quoted, I have to address. Stop playing the victim. Stop it. There are strong male rolls, there are fucking supermen out there. There are very few strong female roles and when there are, in games they are 36-6-36. Do not try to say that because men die in movies that it somehow might warp you into thinking you were fragile.
https://englishedithelp.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/words1.jpg
Although maybe you're right, maybe if you haven't seen so many die in movies and games you wouldn't think that women were out to ruin your video games.
The topic is about one human: Anita Sarkeesian who happens to be a female. You are the one generalizing here. Nobody thinks that women are out to ruin anything. There is however, a vocal minority of people who in fact are. That group is comprised of both males and females.

There is no reason to talk to you about anything kaga becuse you will at all costs agree with NOTHING because you are a nihilist.

But go to bed knowing that feminists like comedy more than u do

A.K.A. Standard SJW retreat message.

Thanks for playing, better luck next time. :)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Still unaware of any solid refutation to anything I said in that thread.

Your ability to close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and shout "bla bla bla" (i'm implying based on the available evidence that you don't know how to read.) might dismiss what they said in your point of view but in reality you got told.

[paulgiamatti]

Ultimately though, I just kinda feel bad for kaga since he is after all a human being just like us and quite clearly needs to seek some kind of psychological help.

Like, if that signature isn't a clear indication of some displaced guilt about having pedophilic compulsions, I don't know what is.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I don't know.

You really don't. Just stop typing.

[iruinedyourday]

quit trying to SWG or whatever you fucking keep calling me, by swinging in to lune's defense you white knight.

[Cecily]

There is no reason to talk to you about anything kaga becuse you will at all costs agree with NOTHING because you are a nihilist.

http://i.imgur.com/JGr8pS7.png

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

quit trying to SWG or whatever you fucking keep calling me, by swinging in to lune's defense you white knight.

Lune doesn't need defense. I just like the sound of my keyboard when I'm typing on it.

[Lune]

quit trying to SWG or whatever you fucking keep calling me, by swinging in to lune's defense you white knight.

I said what I needed to say, but this is just incoherent and represents a troubling lack of knowledge about some very fundamental internet concepts.

I think you need to steep in a basement for a couple more years and grow out your neckbeard a little more before you try and tangle with the Lune.

[paulgiamatti]

Yeah, I back Lune's post too even though kaga is ridiculous.

[iruinedyourday]

o yea pras lune i never meant any harm to you.

kaga just makes me lol but I admire his tenacity.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I wonder what your opinion of Chanty Binx is.

[Grimfan]

The message I think that should be taken away from her videos (and I'd rather not talk about her personally because her message actually does have some merit past her personal views) is that it's very possible to enjoy the material that you're experiencing while being critical of it. That's what everyone in this thread appears to be missing, and it's what most of the people that get angry when they watch her videos miss. She explicitly says that there's no problem with enjoying the games that you do, just that sometimes you should look at them through a critical lens instead of just accepting what is put in front of you.

She's probably going to go over the Witcher games at some point, and if anyone has played them they're very overtly sexist, and it's not just in the first Witcher game either, where you collect nude cards of the women that you've managed to seduce. In the second Witcher game there's an option to talk to an Elf woman who talks about how women can be just as powerful as men on the battlefield, they can kill, and they put their lives on the line the same as the other men, but when they exit the battlefield they tend to not be put in leadership roles.

Geralt, can respond in two ways, he can tell her that not very many women share her view, and she responds surprised saying, that in actuality, many women DO share her views, but are too afraid to talk about it. In which Geralt can tell her that she's wrong, and to give up, or to pursue her ideals and become a great leader.

The interesting part about all of this is that while as an Elf she is under a male leader (Ivoreth) but as a member of the army there, she's actually really under a strong female leader (Saskia, a female Knight) who, to legitimize her role as a leader is both described as having a masculine figure with a feminine appearance, and as a virgin. If you walk in the marketplace in Vergen (the city all of this is in) you'll hear tales of her virginity, and you will even hear a dwarf question why her purity means anything in the face of the enemy.

I can honestly say that if I hadn't watched any of the videos that she has put out, I wouldn't be able to effectively understand and cope with the concepts that are shoved at me in this game. I'd just ignore most of this as background filler and walk on. Instead, I really feel her message of critically playing your games, while still enjoying them, is really what people should do.

Anyway, sorry if I broke into the flame war.

[radditsu]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UyilK3oYl0dkQDhu-CeHm5zZjtdGan-gaaqD6SbV_er9FkfzCyJFljdcJ6y8PcJY2sC8jnCvFknDZ7eq2 PIa11wN7Qyfu5qDKse7q73vs02RGTC3-6_JVDNsFg

[Glenzig]

Equality between the sexes can never really exist. People should get that out of their heads asap. The real issue is not one of equality, but respect. Men and women never have been and never will be equal in all things. Women are superior in many areas, and so are men. Some things cannot be changed. If you can learn to respect the differences and the strengths, what else is left?

[Tulnavara]

Seems relevant. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Ju-1I1DTU)

[Grimfan]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/UyilK3oYl0dkQDhu-CeHm5zZjtdGan-gaaqD6SbV_er9FkfzCyJFljdcJ6y8PcJY2sC8jnCvFknDZ7eq2 PIa11wN7Qyfu5qDKse7q73vs02RGTC3-6_JVDNsFg

I am pretty dumb I guess :(

[Sidelle]

Equality between the sexes can never really exist. People should get that out of their heads asap. The real issue is not one of equality, but respect. Men and women never have been and never will be equal in all things. Women are superior in many areas, and so are men. Some things cannot be changed. If you can learn to respect the differences and the strengths, what else is left?

Well said.

[MurrayHead]

The only time Feminist gamers have made any headway into the gaming industry is when they fuck male game developers/Journalists like that Zoe Quinn skank.

They will never effect a triple A title like GTA or CoD because no amount of tumblr posts will make up for the billion of dollars triple A titles make by butchering women.


Enjoy your glut of $5 steam 8bit pixel feminist games but they have almost no sway in big budget video game development.

[Eunomia]

but they have almost no sway in big budget video game development.

Not yet...

Women's suffrage in the United States was achieved gradually, at state and local levels during the late 19th century and early 20th century, culminating in 1920 with the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which provided: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

Things do change.

[Champion_Standing]

The message I think that should be taken away from her videos (and I'd rather not talk about her personally because her message actually does have some merit past her personal views) is that it's very possible to enjoy the material that you're experiencing while being critical of it. That's what everyone in this thread appears to be missing, and it's what most of the people that get angry when they watch her videos miss. She explicitly says that there's no problem with enjoying the games that you do, just that sometimes you should look at them through a critical lens instead of just accepting what is put in front of you.

She's probably going to go over the Witcher games at some point, and if anyone has played them they're very overtly sexist, and it's not just in the first Witcher game either, where you collect nude cards of the women that you've managed to seduce. In the second Witcher game there's an option to talk to an Elf woman who talks about how women can be just as powerful as men on the battlefield, they can kill, and they put their lives on the line the same as the other men, but when they exit the battlefield they tend to not be put in leadership roles.

Geralt, can respond in two ways, he can tell her that not very many women share her view, and she responds surprised saying, that in actuality, many women DO share her views, but are too afraid to talk about it. In which Geralt can tell her that she's wrong, and to give up, or to pursue her ideals and become a great leader.

The interesting part about all of this is that while as an Elf she is under a male leader (Ivoreth) but as a member of the army there, she's actually really under a strong female leader (Saskia, a female Knight) who, to legitimize her role as a leader is both described as having a masculine figure with a feminine appearance, and as a virgin. If you walk in the marketplace in Vergen (the city all of this is in) you'll hear tales of her virginity, and you will even hear a dwarf question why her purity means anything in the face of the enemy.

I can honestly say that if I hadn't watched any of the videos that she has put out, I wouldn't be able to effectively understand and cope with the concepts that are shoved at me in this game. I'd just ignore most of this as background filler and walk on. Instead, I really feel her message of critically playing your games, while still enjoying them, is really what people should do.

Anyway, sorry if I broke into the flame war.

Oh so that is what she really means? Thanks to this MAN for stepping up to clarify what this woman is trying to say to us. I guess she is just so dumb that she can't convey her message properly?

Gotta love that old timey good intentioned sexism.

[iruinedyourday]

The message I think that should be taken away from her videos (and I'd rather not talk about her personally because her message actually does have some merit past her personal views) is that it's very possible to enjoy the material that you're experiencing while being critical of it. That's what everyone in this thread appears to be missing, and it's what most of the people that get angry when they watch her videos miss. She explicitly says that there's no problem with enjoying the games that you do, just that sometimes you should look at them through a critical lens instead of just accepting what is put in front of you.

She's probably going to go over the Witcher games at some point, and if anyone has played them they're very overtly sexist, and it's not just in the first Witcher game either, where you collect nude cards of the women that you've managed to seduce. In the second Witcher game there's an option to talk to an Elf woman who talks about how women can be just as powerful as men on the battlefield, they can kill, and they put their lives on the line the same as the other men, but when they exit the battlefield they tend to not be put in leadership roles.

Geralt, can respond in two ways, he can tell her that not very many women share her view, and she responds surprised saying, that in actuality, many women DO share her views, but are too afraid to talk about it. In which Geralt can tell her that she's wrong, and to give up, or to pursue her ideals and become a great leader.

The interesting part about all of this is that while as an Elf she is under a male leader (Ivoreth) but as a member of the army there, she's actually really under a strong female leader (Saskia, a female Knight) who, to legitimize her role as a leader is both described as having a masculine figure with a feminine appearance, and as a virgin. If you walk in the marketplace in Vergen (the city all of this is in) you'll hear tales of her virginity, and you will even hear a dwarf question why her purity means anything in the face of the enemy.

I can honestly say that if I hadn't watched any of the videos that she has put out, I wouldn't be able to effectively understand and cope with the concepts that are shoved at me in this game. I'd just ignore most of this as background filler and walk on. Instead, I really feel her message of critically playing your games, while still enjoying them, is really what people should do.

Anyway, sorry if I broke into the flame war.

[Secrets]

Most people don't even know the difference between women's suffrage and women's suffering by a dictionary definition.

Feminists are asking a society of the uneducated to believe in something that puts one half of society on a pedestal. Which they will, because it's explained in a way that makes someone look oppressed and broken. The fact that people will side with the first opinionated idea that comes across their way is not helping, either.

If you had asked a feminist if they support women's suffrage prior to that meme coming out... Most will say, "That's a terrible thing, women shouldn't suffer!"

It's an uneducated democracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsaFPiXlLNg

[Schwing]

Seems relevant. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9Ju-1I1DTU)

Possibly the only relevant thing in the thread.

[iruinedyourday]

Possibly the only relevant thing in the thread.

oh so that guy making videos where he qq about his opinion is ok but she cant?

Guess who video game developers listen to.

[Schwing]

I don't care what Anita Sarkeesian says or does. Previously because I'd never heard of her, presently because I have yet to agree with anything she's said. Key word, "yet," so don't assume I've dismissed her.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The message I think that should be taken away from her videos (and I'd rather not talk about her personally because her message actually does have some merit past her personal views) is that it's very possible to enjoy the material that you're experiencing while being critical of it. That's what everyone in this thread appears to be missing, and it's what most of the people that get angry when they watch her videos miss. She explicitly says that there's no problem with enjoying the games that you do, just that sometimes you should look at them through a critical lens instead of just accepting what is put in front of you.

And that's one line in over half hour of a video. Do you know what she said right after that? "While it may be comfortable to think that we have a personal force field protecting us from outside influences, this is simply not the case. Scholars sometimes call this type of denial the 'third person effect' which is the tendency for people to believe that they are personally immune to media's effects, even if others may be influenced or manipulated." She needlessly tosses around some fancy rhetoric for a while and goes on to say... "In short the more you think you cannot be affected, the more likely you are to be affected".

If you can say with a straight face that you believe a single word of that tripe... I don't even have a response. It's literally pulled from her ass. She got $158,000 to make the video and couldn't credit a single source. See the bullshit with your own two eyes.

The SJWs keep pushing this idea that Anita gets this flack because she's a female. This is incorrect, she gets this flack because she's a liar and a manipulator. She got a ton of flack because she went to 4chan and said "come at me bro" and yet still had to fake her own death threats!

So then you change the tune to "don't concentrate on the lies, concentrate on her message, despite the fact that she's a liar it's a good message overall." The message is full of these same lies. Why do you think a message full of lies is a good message?

"No, ignore the lies. Look at the deeper meaning behind it all!"
The message is based upon a multitude of lies to push an agenda. She's already profited a great deal from that very agenda...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

oh so that guy making videos where he qq about his opinion is ok but she cant?

Guess who video game developers listen to.

Two videos. One full of obvious lies proven time and time again, made with an agenda and money behind it, the other using credible sources to back it up...

She can make a video, that's her right. What's not right is that people take it seriously, that people believe the lies and promote her agenda. That's not right at all.

[Gaffin 7.0]

have no idea who anita is and dont really care

[Ele]

This reads more like a press release than a news article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/29/gaming-vlogger-anita-sarkeesian-is-forced-from-home-after-receiving-harrowing-death-threats/

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

This reads more like a press release than a news article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/29/gaming-vlogger-anita-sarkeesian-is-forced-from-home-after-receiving-harrowing-death-threats/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb_6UOAj_D0

[Champion_Standing]

This reads more like a press release than a news article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/29/gaming-vlogger-anita-sarkeesian-is-forced-from-home-after-receiving-harrowing-death-threats/

This lady needs negative attention to live I think, I've looked at her twitter page, it's more a collection of insults than anything else, she thrives on it. I really don't know if this is even legit and honestly don't care, but it would not surprise me if it was completely fabricated.

[iruinedyourday]

well there's only like 3 people on this 10 page thread that isnt shitting out negative shit all over her, so why is it so hard to believe that here twitter feed isnt full of it either?

[Schwing]

Why is it hard to believe that maybe she asked for it?

[iruinedyourday]

if there is one thing thats nice to think about. its that anita will live a fuller, richer life than any of you fucks.

[Glenzig]

if there is one thing thats nice to think about. its that anita will live a fuller, richer life than any of you fucks.

How would you be able to even begin to make the comparison?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

if there is one thing thats nice to think about. its that anita will live a fuller, richer life than any of you fucks.

At the expense of those foolish enough to follow/support her*

[iruinedyourday]

How would you be able to even begin to make the comparison?

I dont even know, I just want to make sure at least once I unkindly ask people to stop posting :D

[Danyelle]

have no idea who anita is and dont really care

[Duckwalk]

Not yet...

Women's suffrage in the United States was achieved gradually, at state and local levels during the late 19th century and early 20th century, culminating in 1920 with the passage of the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which provided: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex."

Things do change.

83% of a change....

[Grimfan]

Oh so that is what she really means? Thanks to this MAN for stepping up to clarify what this woman is trying to say to us. I guess she is just so dumb that she can't convey her message properly?

Gotta love that old timey good intentioned sexism.

I was just explaining the way that I took meaning away from her videos. It's a personal opinion. I'm not defending her, I do not think her videos are very well made, and I honestly think most of her opinions and examples are shallow or incorrect. That doesn't mean that I cannot examine her message for content I find should be overall agreeable for everyone. If that makes me sexist then that is fine.

And that's one line in over half hour of a video. Do you know what she said right after that? "While it may be comfortable to think that we have a personal force field protecting us from outside influences, this is simply not the case. Scholars sometimes call this type of denial the 'third person effect' which is the tendency for people to believe that they are personally immune to media's effects, even if others may be influenced or manipulated." She needlessly tosses around some fancy rhetoric for a while and goes on to say... "In short the more you think you cannot be affected, the more likely you are to be affected".

If you can say with a straight face that you believe a single word of that tripe... I don't even have a response. It's literally pulled from her ass. She got $158,000 to make the video and couldn't credit a single source. See the bullshit with your own two eyes.

The SJWs keep pushing this idea that Anita gets this flack because she's a female. This is incorrect, she gets this flack because she's a liar and a manipulator. She got a ton of flack because she went to 4chan and said "come at me bro" and yet still had to fake her own death threats!

So then you change the tune to "don't concentrate on the lies, concentrate on her message, despite the fact that she's a liar it's a good message overall." The message is full of these same lies. Why do you think a message full of lies is a good message?

"No, ignore the lies. Look at the deeper meaning behind it all!"
The message is based upon a multitude of lies to push an agenda. She's already profited a great deal from that very agenda...

Sorry, I was not trying to push any agenda. I do believe in my example I gave a pretty thought provoking example of a female character that struggles with an interesting and even real world issue. It was interesting that by watching her videos it brought me a little further out of the autopilot I normally experience when I play games.

So in essence I really do not care that much about her message/her, I do think that people are horrible and she could easily fake the death threats, she could pay a company to create shill twitter accounts, she could go on to 4chan and make posts about harming herself from a third person anonymously and the issue behind all of that is we just have no proof on either side. So if you do not have real concrete proof on either side, you can do a couple things, you can be a really awful human being and accuse her of faking it all. You can be neutral and try your best to ignore it (which I think kind of sucks, but it's probably the best option if you're not into potentially wasting time), or you can just believe her and hope that it all works out OK in the end and that people stop being shitty.

Personally, I like to try and ignore it for the most part. There was a small outburst on Twitter today from a comic artist I follow about how everyone should show Zoe Quinn a little solidarity and if you're a guy go yell at your fellow dudes about how shitty they are and to stop harassing her. My issue with that is simple, I don't know anyone that gives a shit about what is going on with Zoe Quinn. None of my friends in real life give a shit, if I came to you guys and said back off of her you'd tell me to fuck off because you're not doing shit. Really, it all comes down to the frustration of an anonymous attacker and having no idea where to vent your frustration and anger. If you're spending your time yelling out on twitter you may as well be screaming at a wall.

Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone.

[Champion_Standing]

Grim, never apologize to RNF.

[Tann]

TLDR 11 pages of:
KpedoBob trash talking some internet person
Iruinsomething trying to white knight said internet person

anything worth noting that I missed? stop skimming at page 5.

[iruinedyourday]

I not kindly asked people to stop posting.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Ironic considering who your avatar is. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYiSTPhz4M#t=12)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

^
That was directed at Danyelle

[Estolcles]

Ok, I'm behind the times, what the hell does SJW mean?

[iruinedyourday]

Ok, I'm behind the times, what the hell does SJW mean?

I think it means that if someone calls you that you are wrong.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Ok, I'm behind the times, what the hell does SJW mean?

Social Justice Warrior. The kind who assume anyone who isn't white is innocent regardless of the evidence and anything that a white person does is always fueled by racism.

[iruinedyourday]

Social Justice Warrior. The kind who assume anyone who isn't white is innocent regardless of the evidence and anything that a white person does is always fueled by racism.

take your SJW comments elsewhere, white knight.

See, i win.

in my eyes i win

and thats all that matters on the internet.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6626997504/h8ECCD4FC/

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

take your SJW comments elsewhere, white knight.

See, i win.

No.

Your posts have about as much content as a lulzsect or susvain post.

Gonna stop responding to you until you make a post with at least a hint of credibility.

[iruinedyourday]

No.

Your posts have about as much content as a lulzsect or susvain post.

Gonna stop responding to you until you make a post with at least a hint of credibility.

I dono who lulzsect is but susvain is pretty funny..double win.

What would have really hurt was if you said you thought I was smart and the most credible.

[Pokesan]

SJWs are always wrong because I'm a big gay baby who can't handle people disagreeing with my fat and racist white boy opinions

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

SJWs are always wrong because I'm a big gay baby who can't handle people disagreeing with my fat and racist white boy opinions

This is a nice illustration of why SJWs are a disease where discussion/debate are concerned. The only thing that a SJW knows how to do is to attack a person and not their actual argument. You point out that Anita is a liar and a thief, they immediately call you a misogynist, like that removes any amount of guilt on her part.

[Pokesan]

no that's a dumb fantasy world created by you, a pedophile

[Champion_Standing]

This is a nice illustration of why SJWs are a disease where discussion/debate are concerned. The only thing that a SJW knows how to do is to attack a person and not their actual argument. You point out that Anita is a liar and a thief, they immediately call you a misogynist, like that removes any amount of guilt on her part.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

Yes.

I'll admit, I resort to attacking people here quite often as well, the difference however, is that I include content/statistics/coherent arguments alongside the shit that I'm throwing at a person.

[Gaffin 7.0]

seekhelp.org

[Grimfan]

This is a nice illustration of why SJWs are a disease where discussion/debate are concerned. The only thing that a SJW knows how to do is to attack a person and not their actual argument. You point out that Anita is a liar and a thief, they immediately call you a misogynist, like that removes any amount of guilt on her part.

I think that most of the misogynist stuff is saved for people that are super aggressive and devolve into calling her a cunt and such. Stuff like this: http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/96569154020/yes-please-explain-to-me-again-how-this-has

Anyone calling you a misogynist for having opposing views just doesn't understand the meaning of the word and they're not doing anything for social justice but just spouting random nonsense. Regardless of gender though, if you're harassing an individual, even online, you're really not doing anything for social harmony, that's for sure.

[Baler]

Good feel: Not playing on P99 anymore.

Bad feel: These goddamn forums are too addicting. :mad:

Why do you post on a forum that's for a game you don't play?
Posts Per Day: 3.48
Join Date: 08-06-2014

[iruinedyourday]

dont let the haters get u down kaga, you're dedicated to your craft.

[Baler]

dont let the haters get u down kaga, you're dedicated to your craft.

BECUSE THIS IS A FUCKING EQ FORUM YOU FUCKING LOOSER

[iruinedyourday]

lmao what can i say i feel guilty

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

He's just mad I said I'm not going to respond to him anymore.

http://i.imgur.com/Arnzv.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

well to be honest i thought it was cus you were gona hang yourself.

[Danyelle]

Ironic considering who your avatar is. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQYiSTPhz4M#t=12)

Yes and it's from that video in fact. But you already knew that. and apparently share my viewpoints which I, in turn, share with the hot girl in aforementioned video. Quote related:

I seriously fucking hate agreeing with Kagatob in anyway whatsoever, but....I agree with Kagatob 100% on this.

So I looked her up anyway. Basically she's the kind of person that drives me insane, the kind parodied in the video. So my assumption that I didn't care was correct, because I don't care about people like that. Besides, Quinnspiracy was enough for me, don't need to know about all these other bitches doing stupid shit. Their minds will never be changed. They'll never stop believing that they are mega oppressed and that they are fighting for anything other than utter role reversal and the same oppression they claim to hate, rather than the equality they claim to fight for. Why keep fighting them or concerning yourself with them? Just let them keep crying in their corners until they realize they aren't fucking special enough to be oppressed.

That being said, the real topic of note is how increasingly concerning it is that we seem to share similar views on things. I don't hate really anyone but there's tons of people that annoy the piss out of me and you're sure as hell one of them so it's disturbing to say the least.

Stop it you're scaring me.

[Champion_Standing]

While we are on the subject of equality in gaming. What have there been more of? Games with serious female main characters, or games with serious black male main characters?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/shaqfu/GENbox.jpg

While we are on the subject of equality in gaming. What have there been more of? Games with serious female main characters, or games with serious black male main characters?

Oh... never mind.

[Glenzig]

While we are on the subject of equality in gaming. What have there been more of? Games with serious female main characters, or games with serious black male main characters?

What about black female main characters? I like how you just conveniently skip over that portion of society. Bigot misogynist chauvinist male pig man. How dare you!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Yes and it's from that video in fact. But you already knew that. and apparently share my viewpoints which I, in turn, share with the hot girl in aforementioned video. Quote related:



So I looked her up anyway. Basically she's the kind of person that drives me insane, the kind parodied in the video. So my assumption that I didn't care was correct, because I don't care about people like that. Besides, Quinnspiracy was enough for me, don't need to know about all these other bitches doing stupid shit. Their minds will never be changed. They'll never stop believing that they are mega oppressed and that they are fighting for anything other than utter role reversal and the same oppression they claim to hate, rather than the equality they claim to fight for. Why keep fighting them or concerning yourself with them? Just let them keep crying in their corners until they realize they aren't fucking special enough to be oppressed.

Fair enough.

Why I give a shit... It's not her specifically that I despise so much, it's the corruption of gaming journalism coupled with radical feminism overall. It's like Nazi germany in the 30s/40s, you didn't just hate (Godwin), you hated the Nazis but you talked about (Godwin) because he was the big one.

[Champion_Standing]

What about black female main characters? I like how you just conveniently skip over that portion of society. Bigot misogynist chauvinist male pig man. How dare you!

Damnit, now I will have to marry a black lesbian feminist to get my credibility back.

[Glenzig]

Damnit, now I will have to marry a black lesbian feminist to get my credibility back.

Marry?!?!? What so you can own her like a piece of furniture? Just gonna hang her up on your wall like a piece of art added to you collection? A real woman would never submit to the act of marriage. And a real man would never ask her to. Just go back to admiring your testicles in a mirror you overgrown homunculi!

[Champion_Standing]

Marry?!?!? What so you can own her like a piece of furniture? Just gonna hang her up on your wall like a piece of art added to you collection? A real woman would never submit to the act of marriage. And a real man would never ask her to. Just go back to admiring your testicles in a mirror you overgrown homunculi!

It will still work, look at what Hillary has done for Bill Clinton.

[iruinedyourday]

Well to be fair guys in her videos he constantly sights the lack of black and other minatory role models for that matter, as examples of the gaming industry being unable to escape its reliance on bad tropes.

And game devs listen. So, once again she champions the good fight and challenges developers to think critically about their art.

[Grimfan]

Well to be fair guys in her videos he constantly sights the lack of black and other minatory role models for that matter, as examples of the gaming industry being unable to escape its reliance on bad tropes.

And game devs listen. So, once again she champions the good fight and challenges developers to think critically about their art.

One of the problems that I have with some of the people that defend her work is that if you remove some of the trope elements from some of these games they just won't be as interesting. Yes, you can take the strippers out of the strip club, but does that really do anything? Should we force narrative away from strip clubs, dens of sexual deviance, legit brothels, etc, just because they use women as background decoration? I'm not really sure that it's fair on a creative level if you think about it.

It's one thing to see the tropes for what they are, and it's another to remove them all together from the gaming industry. I think a lot of her supporters feel that you can still create an interesting environment without exploiting humans in some way, and I disagree. Human exploitation is one of the easiest and most often the most interesting way to drive story.

However, there are other tropes that can easily be challenged. A 20 something white male does not need to be the main character of every major game, and that's one of the reasons I found Watch Dogs really kind of boring. There's no reason why a woman has to so often be something that men are fighting over, and there's no reason that she needs to be saved all the time.

For me though, as a game designer/writer, I feel like you should write for your game and not for your audience. That's not a philosophy most share.

[iruinedyourday]

One of the problems that I have with some of the people that defend her work is that if you remove some of the trope elements from some of these games they just won't be as interesting. Yes, you can take the strippers out of the strip club, but does that really do anything? Should we force narrative away from strip clubs, dens of sexual deviance, legit brothels, etc, just because they use women as background decoration? I'm not really sure that it's fair on a creative level if you think about it.

I have little doubt that if you wrote a deep and real story that takes place in a strip club or den of sexual deviance Anita Sarkeesian would stand behind you.

If you made a game about shooting people in the mall, and going to the strip club and pressing triangle over and over again to listen to girls moan and dance around doing nothing to move the story forward, she would call you out as being a bad game designer/writer :)

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I have little doubt that if you wrote a deep and real story that takes place in a strip club or den of sexual deviance Anita Sarkeesian would stand behind you.

If you made a game about shooting people in the mall, and going to the strip club and pressing triangle over and over again to listen to girls moan and dance around doing nothing to move the story forward, she would call you out as being a bad game designer/writer :)

Serious question. Noting that 'depth' is a subjective term, have you even played that level in Hitman? Did you at least watch a complete let's play for that level of Hitman? Judging by your post I'm forced to assume that you haven't.

[iruinedyourday]

Serious question. Noting that 'depth' is a subjective term, have you even played that level in Hitman? Did you at least watch a complete let's play for that level of Hitman? Judging by your post I'm forced to assume that you haven't.

Try not to make to many judgments it will make your life communicating anonymously with strangers a lot easier.

as a matter of fact I played the last hitman and it was an alright game.

but.. it is still incredibly childish compared to even the script for fucking Taken for fucks sake.

If you think games are not childish then you're just not playing games, mon!

[iruinedyourday]

Sorry for the swears, I'm just trying to illustrate that like bottom rung movies, are more adult than top tear games and I think that's WTFBBQ.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I don't have a problem with swears, I'm more confused as to how you got to your opinion of agreeing with Anita after claiming that you've played the game. Your claim that it's childish is subjective as well without any examples to back it up.

Not trying to flame ya here, I'm honestly trying to figure out how you come to such conclusions.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/aZIl1H9.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

http://i.imgur.com/aZIl1H9.gif

That show is supposed to be pretty funny. I'll probably pick it up after I finish re-watching Azumangadaioh.

[Grimfan]

I have little doubt that if you wrote a deep and real story that takes place in a strip club or den of sexual deviance Anita Sarkeesian would stand behind you.

If you made a game about shooting people in the mall, and going to the strip club and pressing triangle over and over again to listen to girls moan and dance around doing nothing to move the story forward, she would call you out as being a bad game designer/writer :)

I don't want to assume what game you're talking about here. But if you're talking about the Grand Theft Auto series then we've got a slight issue. Lets use the most complex Grand Theft Auto game from a story standpoint if that's okay with you, GTA 5, because of the multiple protagonists has, by far, the most complex story that I've seen from a GTA game. If you look at the protagonists they are all meant to be hated from one direction or another, none of them are good people, they're robbers, murderers, thugs, misogynists, assholes, druggies, etc.

They all have good sides as well, Michael is a family man trying to do what is best to keep his family together while breaking it apart. Franklin is trying to make money to get out of the hood, he doesn't want to be dragged down by his past. Trevor really believes in loyalty and friendship, and he would do anything for his crew.

So the issue I have with the strip club being toted as shallow is because these men are all deviants. You're meant to try and live a life in their shoes and really you direct them from place to place. The designers are giving you a choice to see how those characters react while getting a lap dance etc and it's supposed to be uncomfortable. In some cases, the strip club is the only way they can get away from the daily routine of their lives and experience something that isn't robbing or killing. And I'd say for Michael it's the only way to get away from the family that he is both running from and trying to keep together.

I'm not saying that you couldn't have a character walk into a strip club, have the camera go high and let us imply all of this, but putting us in the seat of the character makes more of an impact.

I would like to state though that it's all up to interpretation, you could say that the developers wanted us to get off to pixelated boobs and to make us aroused to keep playing the game longer. Heck, there are strip clubs in the multiplayer where you can yell into a mic, and I am sure that relegating those women to a minigame is pretty offensive to some. But for me I find all of those scenes really uncomfortable, and it just brings it home how lonely and sad the characters I am playing are.

[Grimfan]

Sorry for the swears, I'm just trying to illustrate that like bottom rung movies, are more adult than top tear games and I think that's WTFBBQ.

I do not think you and I play games the same way.

[iruinedyourday]

I don't have a problem with swears, I'm more confused as to how you got to your opinion of agreeing with Anita after claiming that you've played the game. Your claim that it's childish is subjective as well without any examples to back it up.

Not trying to flame ya here, I'm honestly trying to figure out how you come to such conclusions.

Tryin' not to flame either, maybe we can both turn over a new leaf kaga.

Well I'm not as well spoken as Anita obviously, but those are just my opinions. Since they are opinions you are free to disagree. I'm arguing that most games are poorly written tripe, some are good.

As far as examples, I guess when I play most games I find it extremely easy to roll my eyes through the back of my skull when i listen to bad acting, bad writing, on top of ugly unappealing character design.

As far as examples to back up my opinion, this:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/hitman.JPG

Devs are working hard on making better games, but its still very hard for them, the industry is a wild west of nerd power.

Even this game, Firewatch, its likely going to be good for a game story, but I still get some pretty lame video gamey bad acting vibes from it in its pax treailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d02lhvvVSy8

Point is, it is my opinion that most games are poorly written and tropey badly directed and Anita has a similar opinion. We may disagree about Red Dead Redemption, a game that I think is almost perfect (until they yank the controls out of your hand and *SPOILERS* force you to die at the end) but she has problems with some of it, whatever though, no big deal.

We don't share all the same views, but both of our wants are the same, deeper stronger better more original content in video games. There are plenty of good games but we want more to be better. Shouldn't be a problem...

All that said her war with 4channers if that's what you specifically want to talk about, I cannot comment much on, but based on my experience on this forum I wouldn't surprised if some pretty awful horrible people were saying some pretty awful horrible things to her and she, who personally puts her self out there, was in the right to be scared, offended and angered, where as they most likely didnt. But again, my harmless opinion.

But hey idk all the facts (nor do I really find any regarding that subject relevant) so maybe not maybe she is bad, all I know is unless she's kicking a dog in an elevator or saying gay marriage is a sin, I dont really care.

[iruinedyourday]

I don't want to assume what game you're talking about here. But if you're talking about the Grand Theft Auto series then we've got a slight issue. Lets use the most complex Grand Theft Auto game from a story standpoint if that's okay with you, GTA 5, because of the multiple protagonists has, by far, the most complex story that I've seen from a GTA game. If you look at the protagonists they are all meant to be hated from one direction or another, none of them are good people, they're robbers, murderers, thugs, misogynists, assholes, druggies, etc.

Totally agree, great game. Rockstar as far as I'm concerned (surprisingly because they are AAA and very successful, usually signs that you are not indi and cool) are the most independent and least tropey of all the game developers out there (with many great close seconds).

One thing I found sad about GTA5 though was the strip club sequence in particular. I brought 4 people over in separate instances to play GTA5, they were not gamers.

At social occasions since then, despite all the fun they had playing the game, all 4 of them made denigrating jokes about the strip clubs.

To make a long post short, because of that scene they all championed the game publicly as tripe. Sad because there was some great stuff in there!

OK one of the four only talks about how he beat up white trash dudes while they BBQ near the hospital.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Well I'm not as well spoken as Anita obviously, but those are just my opinions. Since they are opinions you are free to disagree. I'm arguing that most games are poorly written tripe, some are good.
I'm not going to disagree with you one bit that most games are garbage. I refuse to give money to any company anymore because out of the past 20 or so new games I've purchased (by that I mean excluding classics I know were good that I re-purchased via steam etc.) all but 2 of them were absolute garbage.

My issue with Anita isn't her claim that game development is a shit pile, it's her reasoning behind it. If you watch her videos, if you read her posts/tweets/blogs, she blames it all on the representation of women in video games. She doesn't say that writing is poor because writing is poor, she says that it's poor only because of how women are portrayed. Not only does she not acknowledge a single other issue in writing/development in gaming, she outright will dismiss many of the other issues in her rants. That's the problem I have with her and why her goal in 'fixing gaming' is not something that I agree with. That's why it's simply a feminist agenda in my and many others' minds.

Point is, it is my opinion that most games are poorly written and tropey badly directed and Anita has a similar opinion. We may disagree about Red Dead Redemption, a game that I think is almost perfect (until they yank the controls out of your hand and *SPOILERS* force you to die at the end) but she has problems with some of it, whatever though, no big deal.

We don't share all the same views, but both of our wants are the same, deeper stronger better more original content in video games. There are plenty of good games but we want more to be better. Shouldn't be a problem...

That's where you and I disagree. I have more than enough reason to believe that that's not what she wants at all. She doesn't want video games to be better, she wants to inject her opinions into a medium that she would otherwise want nothing to do with and she's found the perfect platform from which to do so. Only very recently has she started this image of herself as someone who loves video games and because of that love she wants to fix the industry. In the past she was very open about not wanting anything to do with video games and despising them simply because they were another misogynistic medium.

But hey idk all the facts (nor do I really find any regarding that subject relevant) so maybe not maybe she is bad, all I know is unless she's kicking a dog in an elevator or saying gay marriage is a sin, I dont really care.
I know you aren't saying because they don't have those beliefs that they are incapable of being considered by you to be a bad person, but I want you to know that the way you express yourself it seems like you are saying that because they don't have those beliefs that they are incapable of being considered a bad person by you. :p

[iruinedyourday]

That's where you and I disagree. I have more than enough reason to believe that that's not what she wants at all. She doesn't want video games to be better, she wants to inject her opinions into a medium that she would otherwise want nothing to do with and she's found the perfect platform from which to do so.

Myabe so, but I ask you to watch this section of one of her videos, again if you have already. Not only does she not mention that the protagonsit is either a boy or a woman, but she champions it as handling subject matter people assume she thinks is offlimits based on her concepts as an off and on value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA#t=1462

It's a really good example of her challenging the games industry to up the anti regarding the content of their story driven games.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Myabe so, but I ask you to watch this section of one of her videos, again if you have already. Not only does she not mention that the protagonsit is either a boy or a woman, but she champions it as handling subject matter people assume she thinks is offlimits based on her concepts as an off and on value.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i_RPr9DwMA#t=1462

It's a really good example of her challenging the games industry to up the anti regarding the content of their story driven games.

You see really good examples. I see her comparing apples to oranges (setting design vs game mechanical design) when she tries to shame developers for being historically accurate to the way women are treated in a timeperiod/setting while supernatural things happen to be involved.

That game that she's pushing so hard about the child dealing with alcoholism looks about as fun as Depression Quest, or in other words, it's something I'm not going to want to pay money for when I'm looking to be entertained which is what I buy games for. It's possible that you buy games for different reasons, however you are clearly in the minority and I hope you realize that when you are talking about a for-profit industry, being fair to minority groups as far as customer bases are concerned is irrelevant.

[Pico]

guess how little of this thread i read

[iruinedyourday]

You see really good examples. I see her comparing apples to oranges (setting design vs game mechanical design) when she tries to shame developers for being historically accurate to the way women are treated in a timeperiod/setting while supernatural things happen to be involved.

That game that she's pushing so hard about the child dealing with alcoholism looks about as fun as Depression Quest, or in other words, it's something I'm not going to want to pay money for when I'm looking to be entertained which is what I buy games for. It's possible that you buy games for different reasons, however you are clearly in the minority and I hope you realize that when you are talking about a for-profit industry, being fair to minority groups as far as customer bases are concerned is irrelevant.

If hitting the largest demographic was the onlything anyone cared about, we'd all be playing different versions of this: http://www.leftbehindgames.com/

:)

[iruinedyourday]

guess how little of this thread i read

rofl I read this as, 'pug on a walk cares not for things not pug related' doge voice

[Grimfan]

I don't really feel like the subject matter needs to be handled delicately or metaphorically. I do understand there are some people that do feel that way though. My father for instance did not enjoy Django Unchained, whereas I loved it. He felt that the content was too direct and awful, and did not like sitting through humans being that terrible to one another. I felt the opposite and thought that the subject matter was handled brilliantly. Humans are shitty, and I want to see them be shitty if it's part of the story.

While saying that, I do think that games like Papo and Yo can be interesting. Binding of Isaac is another game that has an interesting way to frame child abuse in a religious/potentially cult household.

[iruinedyourday]

This is great and funny and Maddox is better at this then any of us.. BECUSE HES A MAN... no I'm jk but this video is hilarious and belongs to be seen by us here :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q

[Zadrian]

Maddox was better when he was limited to text.

[iruinedyourday]

Maddox was better when he was limited to text.

man I just binged all his videos. Hes still got it.

[FoxxHound]

fap, fap, fap

[Gaffin 7.0]

her videos are so awful i feel like someone writes the shit and she reads it off a chalk board and very badly at that

influenced by games to rape people or kill people and you got mental issues plain n simple

[Gaffin 7.0]

oh my god he said whore in a video game

the fuck outta here

this is some cheap ass way for her to make money off nerd virgins

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Isn't it funny how she always plays the damsel in distress even though she hates that trope most of all? :p

[Lune]

This is great and funny and Maddox is better at this then any of us.. BECUSE HES A MAN... no I'm jk but this video is hilarious and belongs to be seen by us here :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q

I contemplated linking that too... God damn that man can make a point.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

This is great and funny and Maddox is better at this then any of us.. BECUSE HES A MAN... no I'm jk but this video is hilarious and belongs to be seen by us here :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q

That was pretty awesome.

[iruinedyourday]

right now my companies website is being DDOSed becuse we are hugely anti gamergate

lmao gamergate, u suck! :)

go women!

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

right now my companies website is being DDOSed becuse we are hugely anti gamergate

lmao gamergate, u suck! :)

go women!

"Go women"? Gamergate isn't about women. Gamergate is about journalistic integrity.

Keep supporting professional victim Anita though, she's only lost half of her sponsors in the past few days since the fabrication of her own death threats were confirmed. :p

[iruinedyourday]

"Go women"? Gamergate isn't about women. Gamergate is about journalistic integrity.

this thread is about women in games. Trying not to derail it too hard.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

this thread is about women in games. Trying not to derail it too hard.

This thread, which I had created, is about Anita Sarkeesian the liar and thief with an agenda.

[radditsu]

http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spiderwomans_ass



Also right abou spider woman

[iruinedyourday]

Anti Gamer gate? So you are opposed to conflicts of interest being exposed in the industry? If you mix your personal life and business, it all becomes your business and thus subject to public scrutiny. Hiding behind this bullshit guise of sexism is a pathetic attempt to shout down any opposition, if it were a man sleeping with male or female journalists the reaction would be the same.

theyre just a bunch of nerds, its not fucking enron.

if your mad about games, be mad that sony and micorsoft suck so bad

[radditsu]

theyre just a bunch of nerds, its not fucking enron.

if your mad about games, be mad that sony and micorsoft suck so bad

Not a ton to do with them. Blame a stagnant industry about to collapse. Publishers have fallen into "blockbuster or nothing" trap. They could be making a ton on polish and support of humans who.male fin interesting things with the medium. Comic books do thesame way. Its like we live in a world now where "good" doesnt exist in leu for "epic epic epic of epic".


Lets make a first person shooter with brown shit everywhere. I got sick of that shit after the first Resistance game.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

theyre just a bunch of nerds, its not fucking enron.

if your mad about games, be mad that sony and micorsoft suck so bad

Tell that to Anita Sarkeesian then she's the one pissed off at games and the industry as a whole. Nobody involved gamergate is actively showing anger towards games themselves, they are mad at gaming journalism the fact that gaming in general is terrible is a separate issue entirely and fixing it wouldn't fix gaming journalism one bit because development and journalism are completely unrelated...


...unless a dev sleeps with a journalist to gain recognition which is the whole goddamn point.

[radditsu]

Oh yeah just a bunch of nerds

why are you even commenting on it you fucking dipshit?

The dude ruins days. Didn't you know?

[iruinedyourday]

Oh yeah just a bunch of nerds

why are you even commenting on it you fucking dipshit?

lol settle down, wat ur prob?

[iruinedyourday]

...unless a dev sleeps with a journalist to gain recognition which is the whole goddamn point.

you realise the ratio of male/female devs is not like...

this math does not add up, do you think game devs are a bunch of gay orgies?

you guys are cute.. settle down.

[iruinedyourday]

do you realize that what you just said makes absolutely no fucking sense?

What it means is, in order to affect the market by having sex with a game reviwer you would have to fuck like 50 different people... 1, 2, 10 reviews do not make a game successful.

the logic behind gamer gate is so fucking stupid.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

you realise the ratio of male/female devs is not like...

this math does not add up, do you think game devs are a bunch of gay orgies?

you guys are cute.. settle down.

do you realize that what you just said makes absolutely no fucking sense?

[iruinedyourday]

kaga, the ratio of men to women in games dev/journalisim is like 100:1

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

What does that have to do with anything?

[iruinedyourday]

What does that have to do with anything?

It means we cant share sex for good reviews.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

It means we cant share sex for good reviews.
Your 'logic' is asininely bad.
If men were scumming their games up to the top I'd have a problem with them too, gamergate would have a problem with them too. But no, you have to concentrate on these poor victims solely based on the fact that they happen to be female and because they are female, as far as you are concerned they are innocent until proven male.

[iruinedyourday]

The logic behind your defense of the situation is the only stupid thing here. This can easily be looked at as a man exploiting his position of perceived power over woman in the industry.

The entire situation trivializes and hurts women in the industry, I know you are having a hard time understanding that but it's the truth. I know you think this is just a bash fest on some poor purple haired girl that nobody loves. It's not, it's people who care about games being pissed off by scummy behavior and dishonest journalism.

If the guy had any integrity he would have passed the review off to someone else, but he didn't and that's why this is happening.

OK you are talking about ONE instance that you have no personal connection to and made up a bunch of stuff in your head based off of misinformation on forums...

anyway, one instance, didnt even happen the way you think it did... hardly a fucking watergate situation.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

OK you are talking about ONE instance that you have no personal connection to and made up a bunch of stuff in your head based off of misinformation on forums...

anyway, one instance, didnt even happen the way you think it did... hardly a fucking watergate situation.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Provide this groundbreaking discovery please.

[iruinedyourday]

also side note, game journalists don't have integrity but not because they are smart and trying to take advantage of anything...

[iruinedyourday]

Right, we get it, you think you are being clever trying to brush off the issue by dismissing the legitimacy of the gaming industry, gaming journalism, and gamers in general. Well guess what? it's a 40+ billion dollar industry and people do care, deal with it.

yea dude, an industry where 1% of that 40 billion goes to the people gamer gate is picking on....

thats why I think gamergate is fucking stupid.

[iruinedyourday]

.01%

[iruinedyourday]

.01%

.001% rofl shits ridiculous.

EA, Microsoft, Sony.. those are your enemies...

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

yea dude, an industry where 1% of that 40 billion goes to the people gamer gate is picking on....

thats why I think gamergate is fucking stupid.

You have no idea how many people are involved in this do you?

[iruinedyourday]

You have no idea how many people are involved in this do you?

maybe if you didn't speak like some shaman in riddles ffs

isnt it you that is always bitching at people for not being clear on these forums :P

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

maybe if you didn't speak like some shaman in riddles ffs

isnt it you that is always bitching at people for not being clear on these forums :P

The whole industry is talking about journalistic integrity now. Stop pretending that gamergate is about two women, it started with one woman and five guys. Coincidentally around the same time Anita Sarkeesian and her movement's intentions were exposed and then gamergate officially went live. Now that Anita has lost the bulk of her financial support and influence she can't be the source of division that she had been in past years, gamergate is now concentrating on the broader picture and hitting the corrupted sites where it hurts naming names etc..

It's pretty much like when Atheism+ lost all of it's credibility but in a multi billion dollar industry.

[iruinedyourday]

The whole industry is talking about journalistic integrity now. Stop pretending that gamergate is about two women, it started with one woman and five guys. Coincidentally around the same time Anita Sarkeesian and her movement's intentions were exposed and then gamergate officially went live. Now that Anita has lost the bulk of her financial support and influence she can't be the source of division that she had been in past years, gamergate is now concentrating on the broader picture and hitting the corrupted sites where it hurts naming names etc..

It's pretty much like when Atheism+ lost all of it's credibility but in a multi billion dollar industry.

exposing what though? nothing has been exposed or needs to be.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

These things have been explained to you 50 times. This entire thread describes in detail everything wrong with Anita and the direction the movement she is behind. You are worse than Ken Ham was when Bill obliterated him in that debate ignoring facts and stuttering "...but the Bible" over and over again. That's what you sound like.

[iruinedyourday]

These things have been explained to you 50 times. This entire thread describes in detail everything wrong with Anita and the direction the movement she is behind. You are worse than Ken Ham was when Bill obliterated him in that debate ignoring facts and stuttering "...but the Bible" over and over again. That's what you sound like.

everything that this forum has in it, is not exposing.. its just people not liking her message.

thats not exposing, thats just saying u dont like what she likes.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Her message is irrelevant when she's a liar and a thief. She stole over $150,000 from the public (receiving under false pretenses is theft).

[iruinedyourday]

Her message is irrelevant when she's a liar and a thief. She stole over $150,000 from the public (receiving under false pretenses is theft).

She never stole anything lol thats just lies

[iruinedyourday]

for someone who wants people to not assume shit (cop killed a innocent black person cus they were racist) you sure like to think that the same internet can confirm without a doubt that someone they dont like stole money without the court being involved.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

She never stole anything lol thats just lies

The burden of proof is on you to show that the $150,000 Anita received was spent as intended. Spent to fund her research for her youtube videos. The 5 youtube videos she's made over the past two years at $30,000 a pop. That's on you buddy.

[iruinedyourday]

Lol no it's not :p

[radditsu]

Developer does not equal publisher. Quit confusing the two.


Also who cares about some dumb cunt stealing money. Dont give your money to dumb cunts
Only give money to people you trust or someone with a real, realistic plan. If you see someone who wants to hire fucking dreamworks or ILM or sone shit like that. Do not do them. 150k for something Spoony or Linkara or Brad Jones does for far....far less is a red flag....a giant red flag.

[myriverse]

The burden of proof is on you to show that the $150,000 Anita received was spent as intended. Spent to fund her research for her youtube videos. The 5 youtube videos she's made over the past two years at $30,000 a pop. That's on you buddy.
That's absurd. The burden of proof is on the one making the allegation. Until proven otherwise, one must assume she spent the money as intended. Otherwise, we'd be living under a "guilty until proven innocent" system.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

That's absurd. The burden of proof is on the one making the allegation. Until proven otherwise, one must assume she spent the money as intended. Otherwise, we'd be living under a "guilty until proven innocent" system.

You clearly don't even understand what is going on.

Someone, regardless of the number of people involved, gives you money to provide a product/service. People start to say hey, you aren't providing the service that you said you were going to provide. The burden of proof lies on YOU as that provider to maintain your integrity by either explaining what happened, or reassuring them that their product is still on it's way and being produced. In this case, neither of those has happened, she has sat back and screamed that she's just being picked on for being a girl.

You really think if you did that in any other arena you could just sit back and say "naw, got prof?" in a situation like this and people would be defending you?

At least someone gets it..

She crowdfunded over $150,000 dollars for the express purpose of funding research women in video game media. Since then she has produced five f-i-v-e videos. Go see for yourself at feministfrequencey, they are there.

In four out of five of those videos she sites zero sources, mentions her alleged research zero times.

In the fifth video she links to 5 sources in an attempt to back up a single point in a video trying to make twenty. When you look at those sources you find that 3 of them are unrelated to the point entirely, one of them is research based on debunked psychology about violence in media affecting people (note that this source was published before Anita even crowd-funded in the first place) and the last one is just a link to a feminist blog.

That is one rock of the mountain of evidence. Iruinedyourday poopiepants is the one saying that the information is incorrect and he says it with certainty but won't explain how he came to that conclusion. The burden of proof is on him.

[Misto]

VIDYO GAMES R SEKIST. NEED MOAR BLAK PPL

https://encyclopediadramatica.es/File:Girl_gamer_whore_xbox_games.jpg

[Misto]

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/0/02/Girl_gamer_whore_xbox_games.jpg

Whys this thread got so many views?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

At least someone gets it..

She crowdfunded over $150,000 dollars for the express purpose of funding research women in video game media. Since then she has produced five f-i-v-e videos. Go see for yourself at feministfrequencey, they are there.

In four out of five of those videos she sites zero sources, mentions her alleged research zero times.

In the fifth video she links to 5 sources in an attempt to back up a single point in a video trying to make twenty. When you look at those sources you find that 3 of them are unrelated to the point entirely, one of them is research based on debunked psychology about violence in media affecting people (note that this source was published before Anita even crowd-funded in the first place) and the last one is just a link to a feminist blog.

That is one rock of the mountain of evidence. Iruinedyourday poopiepants is the one saying that the information is incorrect and he says it with certainty but won't explain how he came to that conclusion. The burden of proof is on him.

Bump

[iruinedyourday]

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/bss914.gif

this is how kaga bumps threads

[Estolcles]

https://images.encyclopediadramatica.es/0/02/Girl_gamer_whore_xbox_games.jpg



I just felt this picture needed to be reposted.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Shit people say on the internet is not evidence u dummy.

:rolleyes:

Still waiting for a shred of evidence that she spent that $150,000 as intended.

[iruinedyourday]

:rolleyes:

Still waiting for a shred of evidence that she spent that $150,000 as intended.

Here is the evidence, if someone says thier op-ed costs a billion dollars to make, then it cost that much.. just because you think you could do it for less doesn't mean it costs less, it costs exactly as much as she says its costs.

You can point fingers and say you could do twice the amount of work for twice as less, but that's all you can say.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Here is the evidence, I believe her, that's all the 'evidence' I need.

Fixed for clarity.

Seriously, you've dug your hole so deep, you're starting to bury yourself at this point. By comparison, I actually had a more productive conversation earlier this week with someone who was claiming that slavery was a "legitimate practice" yet his only arguments were bible verses.
As little weight as bible verses hold, amazingly enough your arguments manage to hold even less.

[iruinedyourday]

Fixed for clarity.

Seriously, you've dug your hole so deep, you're starting to bury yourself at this point. By comparison, I actually had a more productive conversation earlier this week with someone who was claiming that slavery was a "legitimate practice" yet his only arguments were bible verses.
As little weight as bible verses hold, amazingly enough your arguments manage to hold even less.

dude, its a kickstarter, she said she would make videos... you think videos are cheap and not worth what people payed for.

Welcome to earth where you buy shit that breaks after...

that's life pal, its not a crime.

Also you didnt even back that shit, so what the fuck do you care.

Just stop.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

dude, its a kickstarter, she said she would make videos... you think videos are cheap and not worth what people payed for.

Welcome to earth where you buy shit that breaks after...

that's life pal, its not a crime.

Also you didnt even back that shit, so what the fuck do you care.

Wrong. The kickstarter was to fund the research in the videos. Research that had 0 citations. As shown before, the few things that she did cite in her video were other groups' research that weren't even related to the topic or had been made before her kickstarter even happened.

You know you're wrong you're just so afraid to admit it you can't even form a coherent response.
Just stop.

[Champion_Standing]

Lol, anyone that thinks those shitty videos cost her anywhere near 150k to make is nuts. I could do the same shit with $50 worth of software and a cell phone.

[iruinedyourday]

Wrong. The kickstarter was to fund the research in the videos. Research that had 0 citations. As shown before, the few things that she did cite in her video were other groups' research that weren't even related to the topic or had been made before her kickstarter even happened.

You know you're wrong you're just so afraid to admit it you can't even form a coherent response.

no man, she did not say "i will make video's and cite all my references" she said, " i will use the money to add to my research for my videos"

which means you are QQ about shit that you shouldn't even care about in the first place.

Facts are ya'll gamergate nerds are QQ about this shit cus shes calling you sexist and you are trying to get back at her.

But you, kaga, are especially bad because you make thread after thread about how the media jumps to conclusions about people being murdered by police, but you do exactly that about some random chick on the internet.

[Champion_Standing]

150k for research means sit around on my unemployed ass and troll twitter I guess.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

no man, she did not say "i will make video's and cite all my references" she said, "i will use the money to add to my research for my videos"
Except even your conservative interpretation of her kickstarter begging video is greater than what she actually did with the money. She did no research. She borrowed others' research which didn't cost her a penny. You still have not provided a shred of evidence for even a fraction of the $150,000 being spent where it was promised.
which means you are QQ about shit that you shouldn't even care about in the first place.

Facts are ya'll gamergate nerds are QQ about this shit cus shes calling you sexist and you are trying to get back at her.
Yes, I'm sure it has nothing to do with gaming journalism being a fucking mess or anything, "gamergate nerds" are just mad at one girl because girls don't belong in gaming. :rolleyes:
But you, kaga, are especially bad because you make thread after thread about how the media jumps to conclusions about people being murdered by police, but you do exactly that about some random chick on the internet.
You're missing that word 'evidence' again. I base my conclusions on the available evidence. You base yours on feelings. Don't conflate the two please.

[iruinedyourday]

The last people on earth that I would want reforming gaming journalism would be gamergate nerds...

You base your conclusion lack of evidence, something you think is wrong when its about something you disagree with and right when its something you personally agree with.

So you're a hypocrite.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The last people on earth that I would want reforming gaming journalism would be gamergate nerds...
I know right. The same way you don't want the ones with the biggest stake in any issue to be fixing it. :rolleyes:
You base your conclusion lack of evidence,
Wrong again. I debunk your conclusions based on the lack of evidence. There is evidence for my conclusions.

Stop walking into the situation with pre-conceived notions and you might actually come to an informed decision instead of a decision based on feels.
something you think is wrong when its about something you disagree with and right when its something you personally agree with.
I read this part six times before giving up. This is not English.

I think you are trying to say that I disagree with things I disagree with and agree with things I agree with, which is redundant and no does not make me a hypocrite. You on the other hand are a bonified hypocrite with your entire argument being the cry of: "Leave Anita alone!" instead of looking at any of the facts. In fact you are dismissing the only facts available.

[Gaffin 7.0]

i think you are a try hard and no one cares

[iruinedyourday]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/ALWLXrq.gif

[iruinedyourday]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/dXX7JFq.jpg

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

How graciously you bow out in defeat.

[iruinedyourday]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/mrF0TMw.jpg

[Champion_Standing]

Are you about to go eccezan on us?

[iruinedyourday]

nah just lightly trolling kaga with sfw images.

[greenblze420]

this bitch is a dumb cunt

[Glenzig]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/ALWLXrq.gif

This is why they shouldn't allow women on tv. She probably started her period just as the segment began.

[Wipe it Clean]

Anita may be a cocksucking whore of a bitch.

But she's damn right about games and the objectification of women.

[Misto]

Anita may be a cocksucking whore of a bitch.

But she's damn right about games and the objectification of women.

The day women stop objectifying themselves is the day I'll start caring.

[iruinedyourday]

The day women stop objectifying themselves is the day I'll start caring.

Don't worry, women have had you on ignore your entire life.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Don't worry, women have had you on ignore your entire life.

You lost the discussion. Leave the thread please. Unless you plan on showing your evidence, which you won't. :)

[Aviann]

You lost the discussion. Leave the thread please. Unless you plan on showing your evidence, which you won't. :)

Kagatob, you lost the discussion the moment you started it about something stupid. As per the usual.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Kagatob, you lost the discussion the moment you started it about something stupid. As per the usual.

Hi person who hasn't posted in weeks. Care to back up that statement? :rolleyes:

[Misto]

I still have no idea what this thread is about.

Probably because its about a woman who is complaining about a problem, which isn't an actual problem.

[iruinedyourday]

You lost the discussion. Leave the thread please. Unless you plan on showing your evidence, which you won't. :)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/25736152/ff3.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

That's pretty much what I thought.

[Champion_Standing]

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Volcano-Explosion-Anime-Victory-Gif.gif

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4vaZy0a18&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A
Anita Sarkeesian got Thunderf00t's twitter account suspended. Lovely.
http://i.imgur.com/rvBg1Qu.jpg

[iruinedyourday]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4vaZy0a18&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A
Anita Sarkeesian got Thunderf00t's twitter account suspended. Lovely.
http://i.imgur.com/rvBg1Qu.jpg

oh yea, cus only good people like relapse get thier accounts banned..................

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Do you realize what it actually takes to get a twitter account suspended? Typically more than having a dissenting opinion. Keep trying though.

[iruinedyourday]

being a huge asshole for starters.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

being a huge asshole for starters.

No, that's not a bannable offense. (note that i'm not disagreeing with you that he's an asshole :p )

[Aviann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4vaZy0a18&list=UUmb8hO2ilV9vRa8cilis88A
Anita Sarkeesian got Thunderf00t's twitter account suspended. Lovely.
http://i.imgur.com/rvBg1Qu.jpg

The reasoning behind the fact that we haven't tried to cut your tongue out yet should obviously tell you that we aren't scared of the useless anime fan-boy bullshit. I respect you for trying to put up a good argument when you do, although sometimes useless, because as an irl popular anarchic pagan, you stand high in respect in my book for standing up for what you believe and who you are.

Unfortunately who you are, is a faggot.

[Misto]

Haha. Best comment from that video of thunderfoots:

Whoever gets the most rape threats wins 

[Gaffin 7.0]

one sad thread feel sorry for all of you

[iruinedyourday]

one sad thread feel sorry for all of you

and thats why I voted gaffin for president.

[Pokesan]

I'm real mad about video games and I have REALLY IMPORTANT OPINIONS ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

is this the right thread for me?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Found out where some of that $150,000 went.
http://i.imgur.com/N1r2gTc.jpg

[radditsu]

Enemy?

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

The Escapist getting DDoSed now.

They are losing more sponsors every day, this is all they can do now. More and more are beginning to realize the truth.

[Champion_Standing]

Enemy?

Public enemy number 3 or 4 maybe.