petition bard swarming?

[Daywolf]

So I know there were a couple threads on bard swarming here the past month or so, but has anything come of it? I didn't follow the threads too much, but I'm not sure if there was any GM input on the issue.

I'm not sure what would be acceptable for an in-game /petition when it comes to bard kite swarming. What is acceptable and what is not?

I was very tempted to petition tonight, but just decided to log, as most in the zone were just leaving anyway. So on an alt, in a lvl15+ zone, a lvl56 bard enters. Decided, yeah pull the whole zone all to himself. And when I say pull the whole zone, I mean pretty much everything 50+ mobs in a trail. I ran out a bit and went invis, in the middle of nowhere. The bard smacked right into me. I moved to another part of the zone, same thing happened, bard smacked right into me. He didn't seem to be looting, just grabbing everything around anyone and running off to kill it, tracking players around the zone. I watched him do this for over 30 minutes.

But that's my personal observation. I thought about petitioning it, but have no idea if it would go anywhere. To me, I'd call flat out griefing, ban the stooge on the spot, but that's me. So that was pretty much it, lvl ~20 players emptying out of the zone.

Hard to say, it's an outdoor zone, all wandering mobs so no real "camps", makes an easy petition. There are rules on camps, but what were the rules on entire zones? Especially a lvl56 bard in a zone mostly populated by lvl12-20 players? In early EQ, thanks to slow connections, never had these types of issues. Here though, broadband can easily be used "grief" and that's legal?

[Exmo]

There's no rules against bard kiting. There are rules against zone disruption and monopolizing entire zones.

Talk to the bard, generally, they are happy to carve out an area for you.

[Derubael]

From the wonderful Play Nice Policy:

8. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area.

Zone/Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players. This includes, but is not limited to::

-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area.

So yes, feel free to petition if you are having trouble with a bard taking up all the spawns after you have contacted the bard and tried to work something out with them. Petitioning for a Guide should be your last resort.

[Daywolf]

There's no rules against bard kiting. There are rules against zone disruption and monopolizing entire zones.

Talk to the bard, generally, they are happy to carve out an area for you.
Nah that not what was going on though, he seemed to be intentionally doing this to players, not giving anyone any space at all. No talk. The first time he did this to me, I was visible, tracking mobs for pelts. He started repeatedly bumping into me, jumping around in circles on top of me, then ran off with everything in sight. With tracking open, I watched as every mob ticked off the list next to his name. I found dead mobs everywhere, unlooted. No loot, not even xp as he was 40 levels over the stuff he was slaughtering. But see, just my opinion, and my growing opinion that all bards should be taken out and shot! :p

I mean what's a disruption, ya know? There are no "camps" in the zone, so it's all mostly fair game. He's not technically KS'ing either, just grabbing all the mobs in the zone that no one is actually fighting at that particular moment. Then he is just doing what the bard mechanics are designed to do. Sooo...
I was waiting about an hour for a named mob to spawn. It was on my tracking for about 20 seconds and then it was dead. He just got to it before I could, then let it rot. Right?

From the wonderful Play Nice Policy:



So yes, feel free to petition if you are having trouble with a bard taking up all the spawns after you have contacted the bard and tried to work something out with them. Petitioning for a Guide should be your last resort.

Ah ok, I must have missed that. Then I should have reported him on rule #8. Thanks for the clarification.

[kaev]

Sounds like flat out grief play to me if he's trakcing people (running into an invis char repeatedly?) Name & shame, maybe next time the GMs will publicly burn his account to the ground as an example to the rest. (I know, they won't, such a pity.)

[Daywolf]

Sounds like flat out grief play to me if he's trakcing people (running into an invis char repeatedly?) Name & shame, maybe next time the GMs will publicly burn his account to the ground as an example to the rest. (I know, they won't, such a pity.)Well sure, didn't want to mention, but seems like probably the best thing to do. Recka lvl56 Troubadour, runs around in blue armor. Happened in NK about an hour ago. He's logged now, prolly got bored of it :p

[Cecily]

Every encounter I've had with you on these boards makes me think massive tool, soo I'm giving the bard the benefit of the doubt here.

[Daywolf]

Every encounter I've had with you on these boards makes me think massive tool, soo I'm giving the bard the benefit of the doubt here.
What, you're trolling me here too? Is that your alt?

[Potus]

Swarm kiting is charming a mob and having a group of mobs attack it. Doesn't work here.

AE Kiting is running in a circle while your songs do damage.

Where did people start calling AE kiting Swarm Kiting? Like what thread started this, so I can go yell at said person.

[Derubael]

Swarm kiting is charming a mob and having a group of mobs attack it. Doesn't work here.

AE Kiting is running in a circle while your songs do damage.

Where did people start calling AE kiting Swarm Kiting? Like what thread started this, so I can go yell at said person.

It happened quite some time ago when people starting making guides on how to "Swarm kite on p99" and it just went from there.

It doesn't help that regardless of the type of killing, we call the mass of mobs that follow these guys around a "swarm".

[Cecily]

What, you're trolling me here too? Is that your alt?

I'm not trolling you. I just really doubt you put much effort into working out a non-petition resolution with this bard.

[Daywolf]

Swarm kiting is charming a mob and having a group of mobs attack it. Doesn't work here.

AE Kiting is running in a circle while your songs do damage.

Where did people start calling AE kiting Swarm Kiting? Like what thread started this, so I can go yell at said person.
I don't know, do I need to get technical? I've never played a bard in 15 years of EQ, and never plan to. He was kiting. It was a swarm of mobs. I don't know the mechanics at all, other than he was pulling everything from everyone in the zone and killing it all. And seemed like for giggles. Looked very much like he was tracking players to do it as well. Can't tell you much beyond that I'm afraid. I know his tracking is better than druid and worse than ranger, if that helps.

I'm not trolling you. uh-huh...
You are not trying to flame out the thread with personal attacks either...
yup... :rolleyes:

[norova]

You're continuously refusing to address the fact that you made no effort to personally contact this player and work something out. Deru even pointed it out in plain English, and you chose to leave it out of his quote. It is very difficult to put much faith in your claims when you repeatedly ignore the most basic of steps.

[Daywolf]

You're continuously refusing to address the fact that you made no effort to personally contact this player and work something out. Deru even pointed it out in plain English, and you chose to leave it out of his quote. It is very difficult to put much faith in your claims when you repeatedly ignore the most basic of steps.Who said I didn't contact him? So did someone else. When I said "no talk" I was speaking about the bard. This guy was ignoring everyone in the zone, running over them and swiping every mob around them.

As for the quote, I cut nothing out. You go right now to his post, hit quote, and see what gets automatically cut out. Do it.

I've many times resolved in-game differences, and am especially careful with my conduct in the game where it comes to other players and their camps or hunting space. So you guys knock it off with personal attacks and/or accusations, that stuff should stay in RnF where it belongs... or doesn't.

[averad]

Yeah guys knock it off or Daywolf will make another forum post asking what to do about this form post.

[Cecily]

I've many times resolved in-game differences, and am especially careful with my conduct in the game where it comes to other players and their camps or hunting space.

So how exactly did you go about resolving it? Why shouldn't we punish you and not the bard?

[norova]

Woops, that is my mistake. You did quote him properly. However, you still failed to acknowledge the fact that a GM told you to work it out with the Bard player first. If you tried that, why didn't you say so when you replied? You're not making a very good case for yourself.

I think most people can empathize with you as far as having a Bard take many of the spawns, but you haven't stated that you actually spoke with him and attempted to resolve the matter via direct communication. Even when replying to me you haven't said it. Trust me, I feel your pain, but you need to communicate all of the details if you want to publicly request comments on an issue like this.

[averad]

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[HydroPonics]

Every encounter I've had with you on these boards makes me think massive tool, soo I'm giving the bard the benefit of the doubt here.

Cecily is Project1999's biggest d-bag and a-hole, and should be promptly ignored. Don't feed into his virgin posts. He likes to start stuff with genuine, nice players on the forums and his shitty zerg guild TMO doesn't even care. Way to represent the server with bad players such as this, TMO.

[Daywolf]

Woops, that is my mistake. You did quote him properly. However, you still failed to acknowledge the fact that a GM told you to work it out with the Bard player first. If you tried that, why didn't you say so when you replied? You're not making a very good case for yourself.

I think most people can empathize with you as far as having a Bard take many of the spawns, but you haven't stated that you actually spoke with him and attempted to resolve the matter via direct communication. Even when replying to me you haven't said it. Trust me, I feel your pain, but you need to communicate all of the details if you want to publicly request comments on an issue like this.
wut?

So how exactly did you go about resolving it? Why shouldn't we punish you and not the bard?
Well, how have I responded in this thread to you? You open up with personal attacks, and I defy you with reasoning, not returning your frivolous attacks with frivolous attacks melting the thread to RnF. Pretty much same thing in any thread we lock horns. I provide a reasonable argument to someone, a friendly debate, not even having a conversation with you, you jump in and start flaming as that's all you have. So, your questions, I only see treachery lurking behind them. Go away troll.

[Potus]

It happened quite some time ago when people starting making guides on how to "Swarm kite on p99" and it just went from there.

It doesn't help that regardless of the type of killing, we call the mass of mobs that follow these guys around a "swarm".

For giggles you guys need to fix mob aggro so original swarm kiting can become possible. I want to see what people call it. The linguist in me is super curious as to what it'll be branded.

Ironically, they'll probably call it aggro kiting, which is again an entirely different thing.

[Derubael]

^charm kiting :rolleyes:

[Daywolf]

Anyway, Derubael answered the question, works for me. Now I'm better informed. I only provide the character name to be aware, as if he were doing something that conflicts with server rules, it's likely he'll do it again, and this can be resolved by his next victims. No concern to me beyond that.
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[Juevento]

I'm not trolling you. I just really doubt you put much effort into working out a non-petition resolution with this bard.

Not saying I don't agree with you, but this reply is rich coming from the petitionquest kings.

[Glenzig]

Well sure, didn't want to mention, but seems like probably the best thing to do. Recka lvl56 Troubadour, runs around in blue armor. Happened in NK about an hour ago. He's logged now, prolly got bored of it :p

Recka is an in game troll. Yes please report him. Then report him again.

[Derubael]

Well sure, didn't want to mention, but seems like probably the best thing to do. Recka lvl56 Troubadour, runs around in blue armor. Happened in NK about an hour ago. He's logged now, prolly got bored of it :p

I've had a talk with this player specifically and he should be much more mindful of his pulls from here on out.

[Fael]

Not saying I don't agree with you, but this reply is rich coming from the petitionquest kings.

Derubael: is there any way you GMs could post a monthly count of petitions by guild. I would love to see the results. Something tells me that bda would be industry leaders in that area.

Dolic

[Uuruk]

Every encounter I've had with you on these boards makes me think massive tool, soo I'm giving the bard the benefit of the doubt here.

Looked at signature.
Laffed.

[Kekephee]

"Swarm kiting" makes more sense talking about a swarm of mobs chasing someone than it does if you're saying "oh but when you charm the mob the other mobs SWARM it!" because that doesn't even fucking happen on this server


It's better this way and I hope everyone learns to accept it soon

[Fael]

It happens if you charm/swarm kite mobs of the same faction

[zanderklocke]

It happens if you charm/swarm kite mobs of the same faction

Assuming you haven't build up too much aggro against the mobs you want to swarm your pet.

[iruinedyourday]

I'm giving the bard the benefit of the doubt here.

[Recka]

Talk to the bard

petition after you have contacted the bard - Petitioning for a Guide should be your last resort.

I didn't receive a single tell during this PL session, other than from my PLee. I tried avoiding most players as I always do. I'm also happy to avoid areas when a player asks.

However, in fact, I have NEVER received a tell asking me to avoid an area on P99, other than blunt hate-tells and subsequent /ignore

I have only ever been petitioned, sometimes within minutes of logging on and starting a PL. The bard hate is strong in this community

Once again, PLEASE TALK TO ME OR ANY BARD BEFORE BOTHERING THE STAFF

[Cecily]

I fucking knew it. Daywolf, if you're too socially awkward to send a tell to a person in game, you're not going to do much better on these boards. Stop posting.

[Cogwell]

I've recently started playing again, and either due to Kunark zones being available or just a lot more bards, dealing with AE kiting seems like the new norm.

The bards that I've fought for mobs with (and lost) are genuinely nice about it, and will let you peel mobs off them if you ask, but that still doesn't help that you often are stuck twiddling your thumbs waiting for a mob if they're in the same area as you. Several have gone out of their way to run the train by to accommodate.

They often seem sincerely surprised that anyone would be frustrated about them locking down the same amount of mobs solo as 2 or 3 full groups. I'm not calling for a nerf, but unless you're doing AE kiting in some backwater I think it's selfish - whether or not the bard intends that or not.

[bspa0700]

I've yet to see someone complain about bards in a zone not named EK --> OT --> LOIO --> OT --> DL --> BW.

That is... wait for it... 5 zones. That's it. 5 zones. There are so much better places to level if you are doing 1 mob at a time. Why would anyone hunt these zones if you aren't a bard? And saying you're quadding isn't valid. There are valid alternatives with plenty of spawns that suck for bards...

[Amontillado]

Bard not looting, you wanting pelts.... sounds like a match made in heaven, now kiss and make-up.

[Mistle]

I've yet to see someone complain about bards in a zone not named EK --> OT --> LOIO --> OT --> DL --> BW.

That is... wait for it... 5 zones. That's it. 5 zones. There are so much better places to level if you are doing 1 mob at a time. Why would anyone hunt these zones if you aren't a bard? And saying you're quadding isn't valid. There are valid alternatives with plenty of spawns that suck for bards...

OT is one of the most popular non endgame zones on the server.

[radditsu]

OT is one of the most popular non endgame zones on the server.

So is KC and both are fucking stupid to level in.

[gildor]

Bard not looting, you wanting pelts.... sounds like a match made in heaven, now kiss and make-up.