Public petition to stop CotH FTE races

[Troubled]

Except for Trak.

It's just 1 more step down the path of ruining any sort of fun. I like races and I like running to Talendor or what have you, and removing the clause of "no CoHing" with the recent raid changes has been a failure. We've seen the guild that ducks CotHs for hours to get a few seconds advantage. It's ridiculous. End CoH wars. Free the mages!

[Cecily]

http://i.imgur.com/gbPaWPW.jpg

[khanable]

http://i.imgur.com/gbPaWPW.jpg

omg:3

[Troubled]

Pugs are so fuckin ugly.

[arsenalpow]

Pugs are so fuckin ugly.

[Rais]

Everytime I see pictures of a Pug, I want to punch chest in the face.

[arsenalpow]

Everytime I see pictures of a Pug, I want to punch chest in the face.

I don't have pugs you tard. I have far superior corgis.

[Cecily]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153012&highlight=cutest

[Rais]

Doesn't change the fact I still want to punch you in the face when I see pugs.

[Rais]

Yes I picture you the very same color.

[Argh]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ScS5vhpu--/190e8buyp3kfggif.gif

[Cecily]

http://media.giphy.com/media/NGALQBUgvmVTa/giphy.gif

[Susvain2]

i sign this petition

[khanable]

http://leereamsnyder.com/images/uploads/husky_corgi_mix.jpeg

[Troubled]

You people are going to bitch about the competition no matter what form it's in.

I don't mind the corgi vs pug competition.

[Ravager]

You people are going to bitch about the competition no matter what form it's in.

Only on FFA mobs.

[Swish]

http://storage.coolfeed.co/2012/10/Funny-Dog-Images-20-GIFs-coolfeed.co-2.gif

[Glenzig]

http://storage.coolfeed.co/2012/10/Funny-Dog-Images-20-GIFs-coolfeed.co-2.gif

Somehow I have to believe that that dog knew exactly what he was doing. Look how quickly he moves in for that food.

[arsenalpow]

You people are going to bitch about the competition no matter what form it's in.

Class C is currently LawyerQuest / FrapsQuest
Class R is currently a harmonious rotation between 10+ guilds as negotiated by all 10+ guilds
Class FFA is currently LawyerQuest / FrapsQuest

I think I can identify the offending party.

[Culkasi]

I don't like dogs, and I sign this petition

[Ella`Ella]

Class C is currently LawyerQuest / FrapsQuest
Class R is currently a harmonious rotation between 10+ guilds as negotiated by all 10+ guilds
Class FFA is currently LawyerQuest / FrapsQuest

I think I can identify the offending party.

Chest unhappy? Nahhhhhh

[Hitpoint]

Class C is currently LawyerQuest / FrapsQuest
Class R is currently a harmonious rotation between 10+ guilds as negotiated by all 10+ guilds
Class FFA is currently LawyerQuest / FrapsQuest

I think I can identify the offending party.

Working as intended though.

[Swish]

Maybe the server select needs to add [toxic] to P99 blue, shit just gets worse doesn't it? :(

[Signal]

Maybe the server select needs to add [toxic] to P99 blue, shit just gets worse doesn't it? :(

No it doesn't. If the only problems you run into is a guild killing an FTE that wasn't theirs to begin with then the Raid scene is 100 times cleaner and better than it used to be.

[Argh]

Maybe the server select needs to add [toxic] to P99 blue, shit just gets worse doesn't it? :(

No more than it needs to add [Schadenfreude] to red.

The raid scene is overall extremely healthy and drama free.

[Ravager]

The raid scene is overall extremely healthy and drama free.

The reason class C is so drama free is because it's only 2 guilds. The reason class R is so drama free is because of the rotation. Now, put 8 guilds on a spawn point for 16 hours and you get FFA and the drama.

[Argh]

The reason class C is so drama free is because it's only 2 guilds. The reason class R is so drama free is because of the rotation. Now, put 8 guilds on a spawn point for 16 hours and you get FFA and the drama.

Well generally there aren't any issues. Most people can read zone-wide FTE messages and understand what they imply.

It's been a while since FFA drama (VS?).

[arsenalpow]

The reason class C is so drama free is because it's only 2 guilds. The reason class R is so drama free is because of the rotation. Now, put 8 guilds on a spawn point for 16 hours and you get FFA and the drama.

Class C is nonstop drama. It's just FrapsQuest and back room dealings to avoid staff discipline.

[Fael]

Class C is nonstop drama. It's just FrapsQuest and back room dealings to avoid staff discipline.

Some people prefer a little drama in their games.

[Danyelle]

Because mages have so much more to do in Classic EQ than CoTH and mod rods. Yes free us from one of our only uses!

[Whirled]

Thread needs more Juntsie.
2.1/10

[Man0warr]

You could remove almost all petitionquest drama by removing the FFA spawns and just doing 50/50 Class R/Class C split.

[Hitpoint]

You could remove almost all petitionquest drama by removing the FFA spawns and just doing 50/50 Class R/Class C split.

Cool story.

[Ele]

You could remove almost all petitionquest drama by removing the FFA spawns and just doing 50/50 Class R/Class C split.

Could remove most of the petitionquesting by perma-banning (not six month suspensions) trouble makers and disbanding guilds. After the first few casualties, people would get the message not to be d-bags.

[Ravager]

Class C is nonstop drama. It's just FrapsQuest and back room dealings to avoid staff discipline.

Well that's just fine as long as it only involves the people who care to be a part of it.

[Ravager]

Could remove most of the petitionquesting by perma-banning (not six month suspensions) trouble makers and disbanding guilds. After the first few casualties, people would get the message not to be d-bags.

I can get behind this too.

[Man0warr]

Yeah the current "punishments" aren't punishment enough to deter people from attempting to rules lawyer.

[Ele]

Yeah the current "punishments" aren't punishment enough to deter people from attempting to rules lawyer.

There is no punishment or deterrent to petition-questing. You can only gain by playing petition-quest.

[Argh]

The punishment is having to participate in it. It is soul-sucking.

[kaev]

The punishment is having to participate in it. It is soul-sucking.

But what about those who're already soulless? They probably like it! "It tickles"

[Rais]

There is no punishment or deterrent to petition-questing. You can only gain by playing petition-quest.

That right there is the major issue. People will try and work things in the blurred lines and twist it around. No matter what or how rules are stated there will always be a grey area.

There is nothing to deter this behavior and to a extent I feel some staff members get a sick enjoyment out of it at times. It can be pretty funny, but when you entertain people and their actions it causes them to keep doing it. Then it becomes developed into a what if, and shady " well this sort of happened last time, and this is how it was ruled so you should do so again".

[Hitpoint]

There is no punishment or deterrent to petition-questing. You can only gain by playing petition-quest.

That's not true at all. GMs do punish, and give horrible rulings all the time to deter petition quest. When we petitioned that we shouldn't be suspended from VP a few weeks ago, they said they would remove the suspension, but that the punishment would be worse if they still disagreed that we were innocent. Turns out they did disagree, and our VP loot from the day was deleted, in addition to the regular suspension being re-instated for the next week. This is one example but I'm sure there's more. You can get fucked HARD for playing petitionquest.

[Hitpoint]

There is always a risk of something bad happening as a result of petition questing. New rules can result which hurt your guild. See the whole raid reform that happened months ago, because FE/IB and TMO were petitioning eachother too much. What happened? We lost a guaranteed 33% of mobs.

The punishment is having to participate in it. It is soul-sucking.

Also this. Being part of it is the worst fucking thing you can imagine.

[Ele]

That's not true at all. GMs do punish, and give horrible rulings all the time to deter petition quest. When we petitioned that we shouldn't be suspended from VP a few weeks ago, they said they would remove the suspension, but that the punishment would be worse if they still disagreed that we were innocent. Turns out they did disagree, and our VP loot from the day was deleted, in addition to the regular suspension being re-instated for the next week. This is one example but I'm sure there's more. You can get fucked HARD for playing petitionquest.

That isn't really a punishment for petitioning, but I can see your point of view why you think it was a punishment. It is more akin to an appeal bond to restore the status quo had it not been petitioned/appealed.

Simply deleting the loot from the VP kills that would not have occurred otherwise during the suspension would leave the other players in the field worse off. The petitioning guild is better off to have petitioned, and the other players are worse off since they had to compete with a guild that was supposed to be suspended that week.

Keeping the loot and simply reimposing the suspension for the following week would be a deferral of punishment. The suspended guild is better off for having petitioned or, at worst, break even for petitioning. Justice delayed is justice denied.

I disagree that bad or unexpected rulings deter petition questing; if anything they increase it, since parties then have differing precedents for each situation and how it is handled. The aggrieved party can then twist each situation using the "horrible rulings" from the prior months.

There is always a risk of something bad happening as a result of petition questing. New rules can result which hurt your guild. See the whole raid reform that happened months ago, because FE/IB and TMO were petitioning eachother too much. What happened? We lost a guaranteed 33% of mobs.

You aren't guaranteed anything. If raid rules and classifications and enforcement of such is a punishment, then we will simply have to agree to disagree on the definition of "punishment."

Also this. Being part of it is the worst fucking thing you can imagine.

No one is forcing you to participate in petition quest or coth quest. You simply choose to do so.

[Frieza_Prexus]

We lost a guaranteed 33% of mobs.

That's not entirely accurate though. Part of the raid reform was the addition of simulated patches which drastically increased the available mobs. This includes VP, and I'd hazard to guess that the overall # of mobs killed by Class C is about the same if not more when you weight for the more desirable targets in VP that are reserved for Class C.

[Servellious]

More rules just what a video game needs

[Ghordo]

For real grow the fuck up and let it be classic.

[Ravager]

For real grow the fuck up and let it be classic.

8 Guilds and 200+ people waiting 16 hours for a dragon to spawn is classic?