Why did you quit red?

[Porz]

So out of curiosity why if you started on red did you quit? Not looking to start a troll post.

You guys would be surprised if you saw our list of constant rule breakers and server "scum".

This might be news to you, but all the little sub level 40's that quit the box don't care about who you guys want banned. They aren't leaving because person001 cheats at dragons or whatever else. They don't even know that's a thing.

So.... why is there such a high turnover rate for those people? Has anyone tried to speak with them..? How 'bout you guys (the community) focuses on that, and let us worry about the other stuff.

I know a lot of those that quit may or may not have been on the forums. But to grow reds pop things need to change and maybe someone can give some insight on thier experiences?

[Troubled]

EQ's boring enough. Red = single player.

That's why I halted work on my toon anyway.

[Derubael]

Let me save you some time:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149043&highlight=quit+playing

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145691

Also, RnF was a bad location for this.

[daasgoot]

So out of curiosity why if you started on red did you quit? Not looking to start a troll post.



I know a lot of those that quit may or may not have been on the forums. But to grow reds pop things need to change and maybe someone can give some insight on thier experiences?

The last time i played on red was on my 19 wiz.

Logged in and formed a group. Twinked SK trained our group. Then proceeded to kill the members that were in level range over and over...

I wasn't in the mood to deal with it so i logged out. I have not logged back in since then.


maybe I'm just a big fat stinky tuna pussy ****** faggot...

[Troubled]

Also seems like subtracting from blue to add to red is counterproductive. Needs advertised to new blood, not blue boards.

[Glenzig]

Also seems like subtracting from blue to add to red is counterproductive. Needs advertised to new blood, not blue boards.

There have been several recruitment posts started in the new player section. Everyone still complains that they're posted in the place.

[indiscriminate_hater]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/2Pac_-_Changes.jpg

[Porz]

Deru posted that sub 40s quit. That's why it is posted here. I believe him and if I quit I would roll blue. This is not a recruiting thread this is for red to see their problem and address it. But former red players whether it be red first and quit to blue or blue first and gave red a shot.

[sulpher01]

I for one love red... great place to store all the garbage of p99.

[nilbog]

Needs advertised to new blood, not blue boards.

Maybe aggro south korea.

Find their pvp forums and tell them they suck at all pvp, and this is the place to prove otherwise.

I can't speak Korean so I can't help.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Maybe aggro south korea.

Find their pvp forums and tell them they suck at all pvp, and this is the place to prove otherwise.

I can't speak Korean so I can't help.

And people complain about Zerg guilds now?

...

I'll show myself out.

[Kekephee]

Because the only thing worse than single player EQ is single player EQ with Red's OOC channel

[GnashingOfTeeth]

So out of curiosity why if you started on red did you quit? Not looking to start a troll post.



I know a lot of those that quit may or may not have been on the forums. But to grow reds pop things need to change and maybe someone can give some insight on thier experiences?

This would sum it up perfectly.

http://media.giphy.com/media/Ix1kD2F8Iu6Zi/giphy.gif

[sulpher01]

^^lol poor guy just tryin to water his lawn and in comes a PK!

[Kekephee]

Obligatory joke about how there's too many people in that GIF for it to be Red

[Juevento]

I made it to lvl 46 on my Druid but I can't see continuing to seriously play red. For one, I've got too much time invested in blue. Also my live experience was only on Vallon. I like the idea of team PvP. Having a core of folks you can depend on not to try to gank you is a necessity for a healthy population, though I would hardcode out immortal healing.

I'll log in evey now and then and patrol the exp spots and try to kill some people but it's not gonna be my main flavor.

[Glenzig]

This would sum it up perfectly.

http://media.giphy.com/media/Ix1kD2F8Iu6Zi/giphy.gif

Those Mormon newbs on the sidewalk are just hoping they can find a zone line in time.

[arsenalpow]

The VZTZ emu members that came over to red pollute the community and destroy any hope of a functional playerbase, yet they're still catered to. So dumb.

[Samoht]

hi, i was a red beta tester

i created a dwarf rogue and logged in

at level 4, some red con halfling druid with a surname (so had to be 20+) started bind camping me outside of kaladim

haven't tried to play there since

[Colgate]

The VZTZ emu members that came over to red pollute the community and destroy any hope of a functional playerbase, yet they're still catered to. So dumb.

a majority of the core players of nihilum didn't play vztz at all

most of the VZTZ people you're attempting to take a jab at left the server years ago

[Haynar]

Because the only thing worse than single player EQ is single player EQ with Red's OOC channel

Reminds me of Barren's chat.

Anyone up for some Chuck Norris quotes?

H

[Rais]

People like Colgate, Heartbrand, and Nizzler are a plague on that server. Add in Lite,Jib and a few other cheaters who come back with new accounts or just two box to their hearts content.

You have two shit guilds lead by cheaters. The second guild that always contests the main guild are full of trolls who post real life information, strip accounts, is the same rehash of the vztz trolls who do/randomly come back to play. Most of the 2nd guild are on their 4th or 5th account after being banned for some random reason in the first place.

Mix this all up and you just have a toilet filled with shit. Has nothing to do with resists, variance, what other item they blame it on. There are a good 20 people or so that are cool and are clean yet have no where to go.

Yes, I played on red. Sometimes it was cool, but the players bring it down. That and pvp in eq isn't the best thing in the world.

[Colgate]

u got any prof?

[Susvain2]

EQ's boring enough. Red = single player.

That's why I halted work on my toon anyway.

[mtb tripper]

Maybe aggro south korea.

Find their pvp forums and tell them they suck at all pvp, and this is the place to prove otherwise.

I can't speak Korean so I can't help.

nilbog you are a fucking genius

[mtb tripper]

Those Mormon newbs on the sidewalk are just hoping they can find a zone line in time.

lmao its like unrest

[Blink]

Rolled characters there with some friends. Someone asked what zone we were leveling in. Then 2 twink SKs with VP weapons that had deleveled themselves just to kill new players, killed us over and over.

[Gaffin 7.0]

most of the time new players come to red and play usual zones, end up in unrest, get killed then send tells raging which only makes the troll more hungry and tend to constantly pk your crybaby ass.

try diff zones

[mtb tripper]

most of the time new players come to red and play usual zones, end up in unrest, get killed then send tells raging which only makes the troll more hungry and tend to constantly pk your crybaby ass.

try diff zones

i.e. befallen, kurns, najena, etc.

[Archalen]

Lol i must be having a crazy isolated experience. I think every single person ive met has been cool and helpful.

[Lune]

Had the foresight not to play red because:

1. The community

2. The nature of PvP in EQ

Yes the community really is that bad. If you don't think so, you're in a profound state of denial. If you retort: "B-b-b-b-but the community on blue is even worse"... again, you're not listening, you're just angry and closed-minded.

It's like asking "Why don't geriatrics go to Megadeth concerts?" or "Why don't ghetto ass *****z go to golf clubs?"

jest stahp

[daasgoot]

most of the time new players come to red and play usual zones, end up in unrest, get killed then send tells raging which only makes the troll more hungry and tend to constantly pk your crybaby ass.

come play red but go to shitty zones with low zem and hide from all the asshat twinked trolls that are looking to grief naked noobs. It is not that asshat twink trolls fault you are having a bad time.. its your fault for wanting to exp in an area you prefer with high ZEM. If you don't like when people harass and grief you with fungi/Epic'd/VP'd geared de-leveled toons then your a crybaby ass.

fixed

[daasgoot]

double post cuz im immersed...

also, we have 'rules" that prevent griefing!! yayy!!!... so when someone backstabs you while you are low hp/mana killing npc's for levels.. you have the option to leave the zone and go somewhere else to exp.. due to the low population its unlikely you will get a port where you are going. but you can spend the next 30min-1hr traveling to the next zone for some exp.

[Derubael]

^ people generally want to group more than they want to kill you, unless they are just around for low level pvp. It's always more beneficial to group than it is to kill because even with just a duo you get 130% xp instead of 50%

[daasgoot]

^ people generally want to group more than they want to kill you, unless they are just around for low level pvp. It's always more beneficial to group than it is to kill because even with just a duo you get 130% xp instead of 50%

this is very true..

but the de-leveled twinks are not looking for exp. They already have multiple high lvl toons and are just trying to pass time untill the next weekend full of high end pixels.

having said that... i will say i met some very nice people on red and not everyone is an asshat.

[-TK-]

I quit because I did not receive enough free gear.

[Haynar]

I quit because exp solo was too slow, and group exp was too big. I don't want to group if I only have 10-15 min to play which is typical.

H

[Thana8088]

I quit because I zone slow and fuckers be waitin' for you on the other side!

[Malone88]

Haven't quit yet.

Two Toons 36+ and only 3 PVP deaths and 2 of those to known PKer
who is now a good friend.

After 6 months on Red, I have a friends list 3X longer than 2 years
on Blue. Go figure. The group XP bonus brings good peeps
together.

[Tenlaar]

I read OOC while I solo'd a naked SK to level 10, that was almost enough to make me stop itself. The first time I got a group invite (random tell sent to me asking if I wanted to group), I spent 20 minutes running so that the fully geared person could root and nuke me at the zone line as soon as I zoned in. The second time I got a group invite the same thing happened.

Didn't bother waiting for a third.

[Rhambuk]

#1 EQ PVP is horrible ( my opinion)
#2 almost no populations I didn't want to play solo
#3 Having twinks (that you wouldn't stand a chance at in a fair fight) waiting for you to be in a fight (solo because low pop) then attacks you or waits for you to almost be dead and finishes you off.

More pop would fix most of these issues and i would probably play at least casually if there was a playerbase to play with

[dustysr06]

consensus im gathering is a lot of the players quit due to being solo... i know if we hadnt rolled with 4-5 others in a core group with the same average play-times i woulda flopped back to blue in a heart-beat

Red is fun, but not by yourself. That goes for ALL pvp based games, should come as no surprise here...

Some issues though that COULD be dealt with by the staff that i think would help:
-OOC RnF, make a new chat channel ppl can join and RNF/shit it up all they want and leave the regular ooc for everyone else
-turn off global YT, make it continental or zone-only, this alone could eliminate a lot of drama from ego-trolls

TL/DR: dont roll pvp by yourself, try it with friends- you'll have more fun and less rage this way

[Edge86]

The constant high school insults and d00d speak in ooc got on my nerves, turning off ooc made the server feel like a ghost town, which was even worse. And getting killed by some fungi twink who feels the need to /tell you what a retard/pussy you are when you are wearing patchwork, kind of turned me off from the server.

[Gaffin 7.0]

nilly is gone, server thrivin in rejoice, ooc is nuts

[a_gnoll_pup]

I'd rather play a server that is PvP when PvP actually matters. Griefing people trying to level is not my idea of fun. PvP should only start at level 58.

Being honest here; if the exp bonus was kept in, and PvP started at endgame I'm sure you'd see more PvP and more players.

[Gaffin 7.0]

that is a good point ^

mostly everyone gives up around 52-55 and stops playing as much though because lack of groups and mostly inner circles that are leveling alts wont let you join

[Rhambuk]

I'd rather play a server that is PvP when PvP actually matters. Griefing people trying to level is not my idea of fun. PvP should only start at level 58.

Being honest here; if the exp bonus was kept in, and PvP started at endgame I'm sure you'd see more PvP and more players.

I would 100% play this server. sounds way way better than trying to level fighting the twinks

[Rais]

Do that and set up a few contested zones where it's level restricted pvp. Hell, add the recommended levels for loot on a pvp server, for those with items higher than the level that the zone requires their pvp flag is off. Have epic at level 30? Flag is off. Etc etc

[Old_PVP]

Why all the confusion over low population on an EQ PVP server? Historically, PVP servers have always been lower population than blue servers, even during EverQuest's prime.

Remember this...EQ live had like 40 blue servers... and only 4 PVP servers. Each PVP server individually averaged a lower population than an individual blue server. Therefore it can safely be assumed that the TOTAL population for Rallos, Sullon, Vallon & Tallon combined was not even 10% of the total subscriber base.

Why would anyone think that Red99 would be any different? It is an emulated version of a 15 year old game for fcks sake. According to the numbers, we are already doing as well as we ever will. We are 10% of the blue server's population.

The real question is...what is so unappealing about EverQuest PVP that drives so many people away? Why is it that only 10% of the population have ever invested time into these servers?

Forget about schemes to entice more people to make the switch from blue to red...instead, enhance PVP for the players which are already here. Get rid of the PnP and other bluebie rules... let players police themselves. Fix resist code, add item loot, remove NO-DROP, whatever is needed. Do what is in the best interest of PVPers, not bluebies. PVPers will eventually come to the server, knowing full well what is in store for them.

[Supreme]

Real life started to matter more than EQ.

So I quit.

True story.

[Telemakus]

^ people generally want to group more than they want to kill you, unless they are just around for low level pvp. It's always more beneficial to group than it is to kill because even with just a duo you get 130% xp instead of 50%

Callin bullshit. When I played on red, I'd get attacked by everyone within level. Usually they were geared far better than I.

I don't blame them either. Teams is critical for a population IMO, especially given classes and pvp in EQ not being terribly balanced.

[Telemakus]

Also that thing about lvl 58 and up pvp sounds solid

[dustysr06]

setting up 'contested' zones is a pretty cool idea actually- theres already enough 'customizing' going on with red that its not really part of the 'classic' experience anyway-

some of the more popular and high ZEM zones, make em contested, along with any and all raid zones... would probably be a huge step for red-kind.

Zones like MM/unrest/com/solb will still be hot zones full of pvp but it gives the more casual players an alternative where they know they can go and be left alone, and pvp on their terms-when they want to.

pnp already makes red non-hardcore, so a custom ruleset like this seems pretty reasonable, tho i would have no idea how much work would be involved in something like that

[Derubael]

Callin bullshit. When I played on red, I'd get attacked by everyone within level. Usually they were geared far better than I.

I don't blame them either. Teams is critical for a population IMO, especially given classes and pvp in EQ not being terribly balanced.

...when did you play? Because this was a recent change that caused grouping to be more beneficial than killing everyone you see, because of the XP change.

It was specifically designed to foster a more group friendly environment, and I've only run into a couple people who are having the experience you had (which used to be the norm, before we changed a bunch of things).

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/CqoXGvR.png

[Faisca]

Also that thing about lvl 58 and up pvp sounds solid

Best suggestion for RED server EVER!!!

I would say level 46 though, to make all the raid scene PVP.

Obviously exp bonus below this level would have to be on par with BLUE server, but still this could bring a lot of new blood to RED server.

It would also bring tunnel questing to RED with all the good and bad that comes with it, but the best thing about this PVP restriction is new people could actually form their own groups and guilds in peace and have time to prepare themselves for the raid PVP.

There would also be cabs available in RED, and that is something both new and old players would welcome.

Do this and save RED server.

[no chewie dont]

surprised no one suggested saving red by disabling ALL pvp

[GnashingOfTeeth]

I would play there if I could hand in my book to discord and be non PVP flagged.

[indiscriminate_hater]

should just take away the pvp group penalties in blue so that red names can group/get buffed by blue names. i remember i turned in my discord book on live because i thought it was cool, then shit my pants when i realized i couldn't be healed by groupmates.

[Colgate]

scumlord nizzar has finally been exiled from the community, nihilum has been disbanded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDmaexVHic

fun times last night in a new era of red99 pvp

[Colgate]

scumlord nizzar has finally been exiled from the community, nihilum has been disbanded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYDmaexVHic

fun times last night in a new era of red99 pvp

oops, wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfTuo07HHBo

here's the plane of fear fight versus Hokuten

[katrik]

I quit because my ex wife was a cunt and made me. I got better of it and divorced her ass. The sex change had nothing to do with it. Promise~

[Rhambuk]

I quit because my ex wife was a cunt and made me. I got better of it and divorced her ass. The sex change had nothing to do with it. Promise~

I would totally make this my sig if it werent for the language, and censoring it would ruin its greatness

[no chewie dont]

THIS COULD B U !!!!
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/grzo_zps4ba66258.png

[Swish]

THIS COULD B U !!!!
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee432/robn3030/grzo_zps4ba66258.png

lol photobucket

[Azure]

It's good for forumquest and downtime, several times.

[no chewie dont]

lol photobucket

photobucket best bucket

[Danyelle]

We ARE all trying to pretend it's 1999 here. May as well use Photobucket.

[bluejam]

Rolled characters there with some friends. Someone asked what zone we were leveling in. Then 2 twink SKs with VP weapons that had deleveled themselves just to kill new players, killed us over and over.
that's a special kind of psychopath.

[bluejam]

oops, wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfTuo07HHBo

here's the plane of fear fight versus Hokuten

~04:48: "kill this fucking ****** sepora" (sp?)

okay...

[FoxxHound]

Not enough players.
Takes too long for me to solo level.
No velious
Fat people on stilts.

[LostCause]

truthfully never played eq pvp till red99 i played on eci and sol ro during live lol

[indiscriminate_hater]

Fat people on stilts.

ehh heh

[Big_Japan]

red99 = blue99 where monopolies on virgins camping pixels dont have to be enforced by GMs

[katrik]

..When I did came back, everyone was 60. Everyone. The long months I grinded, that shiny Thex Dagger meant nothing. I was so far behind, I went back to blue w/ other fags.

[FoxxHound]

No teams.
No pixels.
Fatties on rascal scooters.

[cabinfever]

I would imagine Unrest