Sirken drives a stake into the heart of Autofire.

[Lazie]

Well guys, it's your turn.

PSA: 2 New Raid Rule Changes
1) In regards to the two trackers rule - The trackers must not be mages, and are no longer allowed to FTE the mob they are tracking.

2) Players are not allowed to bind at raid mobs (thought this was already a rule, so just making it clear for everyone). For the exact same reasons we do not want people camping out at raid spawns.



We are trying to encourage more racing for mobs and less camping/binding/poopsocking at mobs, and we feel both of these changes will encourage more of that.


<3



Thank you sir.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Who are you?

[Lazie]

Who are you?

You're Father. It wasn't you that made me leave. It was your crazy mother.

[TMOcheerleader]

what abouts dem Ragefires?

[Lazie]

what abouts dem Ragefires?

Haha probably needs it's own separate rules with the drama that happens on that spawn.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

what abouts dem Ragefires?

Ranger tracked from zone in. Fire giants off limits 24/7.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also there's a lot in these rules that needs hammered out. Hoku mentioned a few things. We keep moving further and further away from trakanon :P Pretty soon we're gonna be starting in kerra isle.

[Lazie]

Also there's a lot in these rules that needs hammered out. Hoku mentioned a few things. We keep moving further and further away from trakanon :P Pretty soon we're gonna be starting in kerra isle.

Looks like we just need to clarify where people camp out in VP etc. Trakanon will be a bit tougher but...use your noggin...without saying too much. Get in vent btw Heallun.

[khanable]

I was literally just talking to someone the other day about how luls it would be to have to race from the entrance down to trakanon's lair

dis gun b gud

[arsenalpow]

You're Father. It wasn't you that made me leave. It was your crazy mother.

[Lazie]

Glad you took the bait. I'd hate for you to be inconsistent.

[arsenalpow]

Glad you took the bait. I'd hate for you to be inconsistent.

ahh yes, the old "trolled you" defense

[Freakish]

No more monks DA soulfireing whirlwind discing Innoruuk.

[Lazie]

ahh yes, the old "trolled you" defense

Mhm. Except I don't need to defend. :rolleyes:

You will get good at this one day with all the practice.

[Lazie]

No more monks DA soulfireing whirlwind discing Innoruuk.

HAHA! Because that always happened according to Chest.

[Ella`Ella]

Thank you sir.

Pretty sure class-c have been the ones asking for this while class-r was defending auto-fire.

[Lazie]

Pretty sure class-c have been the ones asking for this while class-r was defending auto-fire.

Mhm.

[Lazie]

class C guilds = white knights of the server?

class R guilds = everything that is wrong with the server?

Pretty much. The raid suspensions and player suspensions for using 3rd party programs support this as well.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Pretty sure class-c have been the ones asking for this while class-r was defending auto-fire.

orly?


Proposal (enhances competition and mobilization without rewarding those camped or bound in the zone):
1) Trackers can't engage targets. Leave maximum at two trackers. The is more competitive as you not only need to get a force in zone, you need to zone in your tagger. Let the trackers only track.
2) No more grabbing FTE with pets / summoned eyes, etc.
3) Members of guilds camped in the zone or active in the zone must leave the zone before being involved in the engage. (to combat people bound in the zone, all must enter via a zone line or a group port).


Proposal #1 Thoughts:

From a C guild standpoint, selecting what class combinations that track/engage based on who's available is part of getting that edge over the competition. It's also not always feasable to field these ideal combinations where another guild might be able to, resulting in having to wait longer for an engage to be possible. Tracker class selection tactics are used for other raid targets such as Trakanon (mage trackers that are ready to CoTH to give them an edge, for example).


Looks to me like Class R proposed this first and Class C defended the use of FTE trackers and thus autofire.

Turns out you're not the visionary you thought you were, Unbrella.

Feel free to peruse the original post here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139118

[Archalen]

Mhm. Except I don't need to defend. :rolleyes:

You will get good at this one day with all the practice.

You sound very proud of your ability to get the last word on people who care less than you.

[Ella`Ella]

orly?





Looks to me like Class R proposed this first and Class C defended the use of FTE trackers and thus autofire.

Turns out you're not the visionary you thought you were, Unbrella.

Feel free to peruse the original post here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139118


Irrelevant (much like anonymous posters), poor contextualization of Snackies post and circular logic (re: defending FTE = defending autofire).

Continue being a "non-factor".

[Shinko]

the loopholes

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Irrelevant (much like anonymous posters), poor contextualization of Snackies post and circular logic (re: defending FTE = defending autofire).

Continue being a "non-factor".

keep deflecting, you're so good at it

[pufen]

dat lawyering doe.

[Faron]

You are, father.
You, are father.

Which is it?

[Lazie]

You sound very proud of your ability to get the last word on people who care less than you.

You overestimate how serious this thread is to me.

[Prismaticshop]

What will hoku and caleros do now ?

Pras Sirken

[Sirken]

What will hoku and caleros do now ?

Pras Sirken

race for mobs hopefully, along with everyone else

[HeallunRumblebelly]

race for mobs hopefully, along with everyone else

http://nbccollegefootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/chappelle.jpg

[Socratic]

I hope VP boils down to kill at entrance and anyone logged in when the dragon spawns can't fte (wtb mechanic that banishes these players if they touch the dragon). I have zero interest in frapsing the zone in non-stop to try to police certain people that cheat wherever possible.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I hope VP boils down to kill at entrance and anyone logged in when the dragon spawns can't fte (wtb mechanic that banishes these players if they touch the dragon). I have zero interest in frapsing the zone in non-stop to try to police certain people that cheat wherever possible.

Or just have a mechanic where whenever a dragon spawns it banishes everyone to right outside of vp (or entrance, whatever). Yeah, it's not classic, but neither is layer after layer of rules. Having to police where people log in at is just terrible.

[Frug]

Glad you took the bait. I'd hate for you to be inconsistent.

http://byt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tumblr_ljmgngr0Tm1qbj4t9o1_400.gif

[Fael]

Sirken:

What in the world does outlawing mage tracking have to do with the FTE problem?

You want us to race, but you for some reason don't like coth racing? It just seems like a very short sighted addition to the rules.

Any time you artificially designate that a certain class cannot do a certain thing, there should be a damn good reason for it, and it should be explained because it is unfairly discriminatory to people who have invested time and effort. Oh and it sure as hell isn't classic.

The scheme of rules this server has implemented just took a major turn for the worse.

Dolic

[Hitpoint]

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with mages tracking. This rule seems arbitrary. Trakanon engages have never been as clean as they are right now.

[Hitpoint]

I really don't care with reguards to other mobs, but can Trakanon be the exception to this rule please?

[Fael]

If the issue is that you dont want to coth pullers to out door dragons, then just make that rule. A blanket ban in all situations is overly broad.

Dolic

[Dragonsblood1987]

Sirken:

What in the world does outlawing mage tracking have to do with the FTE problem?

You want us to race, but you for some reason don't like coth racing? It just seems like a very short sighted addition to the rules.

Any time you artificially designate that a certain class cannot do a certain thing, there should be a damn good reason for it, and it should be explained because it is unfairly discriminatory to people who have invested time and effort. Oh and it sure as hell isn't classic.

The scheme of rules this server has implemented just took a major turn for the worse.

Dolic
it has more to do with mages parking their pets right where shit spawns so that they get fte without any sort of effort.

[Fael]

it has more to do with mages parking their pets right where shit spawns so that they get fte without any sort of effort.

Pets on spawn is already fixed by the fte spam ban. It is done to stop mages from cothing pullers. who then can immediately fte.

Dolic

[rgostic]

orly?





Looks to me like Class R proposed this first and Class C defended the use of FTE trackers and thus autofire.

Turns out you're not the visionary you thought you were, Unbrella.

Feel free to peruse the original post here: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139118

Haha this umbrella girl looks like a complete fool.

[Hitpoint]

it has more to do with mages parking their pets right where shit spawns so that they get fte without any sort of effort.

This would already be prohibited by the "nobody tracking can FTE" rule. And a pet passed the zone in already counts as a tracker passed the zone in.

[Vyal]

This would already be prohibited by the "nobody tracking can FTE" rule. And a pet passed the zone in already counts as a tracker passed the zone in.

lol

[Vyal]

Why this server has freaking key loggers to make sure there are no cheaters but you got entire guilds using 3rd party turn your client into a robot programs, twenty zillion retarded rotations, & the poor magician class has been so messed up here, half our spells don't work properly pets don't have correct agro and just to throw some salt on the wounds of mages who are raid capable you tell them they can't coh anyone now and can't fte with pets if they somehow managed to stay alive and keep the pet alive to tag.

[Fael]

Don't worry. You can still lay down annul sticks. Cheers.

[Vyal]

Ya when we find a way to seriously exploit those sticks but staying legit im sure they'll get nerfed somehow also.

Take the best class for raids in EQ nerf it so so bad the only thing its good for is dropping annul sticks.

[Fael]

well. hardly the "best class" for raids. Mage being low value at raids is classic.

[Hitpoint]

Ya when we find a way to seriously exploit those sticks but staying legit im sure they'll get nerfed somehow also.

Take the best class for raids in EQ nerf it so so bad the only thing its good for is dropping annul sticks.

Mages never FTE'd or cothed outside of Trakanon races anyway. I'm not sure what else really changes. Also, it doesn't say mages can't coth, they just can't be trackers.

[Vyal]

Classic was mages camped spawns then coh'd everyone down.. Thats classic...

50000 page rule book being lawyered up to dictate who can kill what and when or get banned is not.

[Vyal]

And im pretty sure in any other game including live EQ if your using programs to manipulate keystrokes to auto attack thats considering illegal macroing and is bannable.

If this type of program is legal what is to stop someone from actually using a real bot program, or just creating a macro so complex using 3rd party ghost mouse type programs to do everything for you?

But I can't use my mage to coh people or track a mob? Gimmie a break on that stuff because it isn't classic..

[Fael]

Not sure what you are talking about. Trackers are not allowed to engage mobs now...

[Vyal]

Not sure what you are talking about. Trackers are not allowed to engage mobs now...

Why? I just don't understand this because it wasn't like that in EQ.
So the person camping the mob can't attack it, mages can't be used to track, BDA is allowed to use bot programs...

I don't get into the raid scene anymore so I can't really talk, I make my millions in dok and stay away from all your threads about raiding.

The way I see it is you got one huge zerg guild making up BS rules and because they have a many players as officers in other guilds they are able to come up with the dumbest rules to ever hit a mmo in 16 years.

If raiding was actually classic I would be there at every pop with 8 mages wrecking your dreams man but like I said refer to the 50k page rule book as to why I don't give a shit.

But anyone using key manipulation / ghost mouse autofire should be banned I mean what else is the point of embedding key loggers into patches?

[Vyal]

And no im not talking about TMO.. TMO actually has some really good players and I highly doubt they use bots to play.

[khanable]

I think you just went full retard dude

[Vyal]

I think you just went full retard dude

Makes perfect sense to me ;)

PSA: 2 New Raid Rule Changes
1) In regards to the two trackers rule - The trackers must not be mages, and are no longer allowed to FTE the mob they are tracking.


Do you not see the problem here?

For instance:
What if I had a pug of nothing but mages to go camp a staff from inny why do we have to just say okay even though we can drop this right now we can't because we are all mages so DAFUQ man.. Rule number 10058699 of p99 raiding to make it more classic.

[khanable]

Well technically you can't "camp" inny, as being in the zone when he spawns will forfeit your attempt.

[Vyal]

Well technically you can't "camp" inny, as being in the zone when he spawns will forfeit your attempt.


Sorry what rule # is that?

[Vyal]

So a group of nothing but mages who need the staff from inny can't have a tarcker in zone so they can't kill the mob this makes 10000% sense to me.
I know your all infallible geniuses but damn your rules and nerfs to mages is to much can't any of you just for a little while play the game like it was supposed to be played?

[khanable]

http://www.project1999.com/raid.php

See PnP at the bottom

You're mad about a theoretical situation that will likely never happen. Nothing says mages can't raid - they can't be used as trackers (which, personally, I think is silly and was really only "necessary" for Trak).

[Vyal]

http://www.project1999.com/raid.php

See PnP at the bottom

You're mad about a theoretical situation that will likely never happen. Nothing says mages can't raid - they can't be used as trackers (which, personally, I think is silly and was really only "necessary" for Trak).

I can get 8 mages ready right now to go kill a inny, so how do we kill the mob if none of us can FTE it?
This is just another totally stupid rule, and if you don't think I could get a army of mages to go after inny your nuts.

[Vyal]

And even if I did then I would get banned for doing it so...
Like 95% of the other mages who get screwed outa their staff I will continue to offer up my 400k for it because thats all I can freaking do.

[khanable]

-Mages can't be used as trackers
-Trackers can't FTE

Nothing here says that a mage isn't allowed to get FTE?

[khanable]

I would expect mage staffs to be closer to 1mil at this point

I think Velious unfucks that poor situation for you guys, though

[Vyal]

-Mages can't be used as trackers
-Trackers can't FTE

Nothing here says that a mage isn't allowed to get FTE?

No it just makes it easier for your guild to zerg a mob I know. Keep the people out who need mobs and could kill the mob with a quarter of the people you have in order to keep prices high and all that.

Meanwhile mages can't track, can't fte, can't coh, we CAN make annul sticks though..
So don't worry BDA you have your stupid rules to make sure your 400 man hit squad can rush past the 8 man group of mages.

[khanable]

This is going to be like that time in Chardok where you were calling some poor Taken guy a "BDA piece of shit" despite his desperate pleas for you to actually read what guild was on the side of his name, isn't it?

[Kekephee]

So, Vyal's serious here right? About BDA using bots? And about BDA making all the server rules? And about 8 mages being able to kill Inny?


I have such a hard time knowing who's serious and who isn't on the internet because people work so hard to pretend to be complete idiots

[Ambrotos]

Think you are mixing up what demands guilds make as compared to what Rogean wanted in the server. This is why the "mighty" two guild demands were rejected, and majority of Rogean's vision of the server won out. It was a shitfest since the first 3 big guilds started to shit on everyone at the start, and it came to a end with the change in what really drives this server.

Then again you were a mindless drone who was kicked out of DA for not cutting it. So not too surprising.

[Vyal]

Think you are mixing up what demands guilds make as compared to what Rogean wanted in the server. This is why the "mighty" two guild demands were rejected, and majority of Rogean's vision of the server won out. It was a shitfest since the first 3 big guilds started to shit on everyone at the start, and it came to a end with the change in what really drives this server.

Then again you were a mindless drone who was kicked out of DA for not cutting it. So not too surprising.

Lol I wasn't kicked from DA, DA fell apart after Harrison jacked the guild bank.
I came back for Kunark and DA was gone.

[Vyal]

Think you are mixing up what demands guilds make as compared to what Rogean wanted in the server. This is why the "mighty" two guild demands were rejected, and majority of Rogean's vision of the server won out. It was a shitfest since the first 3 big guilds started to shit on everyone at the start, and it came to a end with the change in what really drives this server.

Then again you were a mindless drone who was kicked out of DA for not cutting it. So not too surprising.

And the point I made is valid and totally legit, all I am seeing is more officers in people in said zerg guild crying because I pointed out the flaw in their plan to keep mages out of raids.

[Ambrotos]

No, you were deguilded for lack of eq knowledge and wiping raids. Everyone in DA knew this.

[Vyal]

No, you were deguilded for lack of eq knowledge and wiping raids. Everyone in DA knew this.

Okay and who were you then? Back during DA days I recall you being a GM so who were you in DA?

[Vyal]

Ambrotos im just gonna put you on ignore so no need to even reply to me I ain't gonna read it.

I would have never jumped in this had they not made yet another rule / nerf to screw my class over yet again. If im going to be the only voice of reason and you want to start bringing up BS lies from 4 years ago because your some salty bitch then do your thing.

[Ambrotos]

I wasn't in da nor on the staff when it was around. I don't need to be in a guild to know what they thought about you.

I didn't understand the hate even if you wiped a handful of raids. People aren't good at some games. It happens.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

This is going to be like that time in Chardok where you were calling some poor Taken guy a "BDA piece of shit" despite his desperate pleas for you to actually read what guild was on the side of his name, isn't it?

Fucking BDA using all the bots and killing all teh raid mobs. Worst raiders, plague on the community.

[|3igHurb]

salty bitch l9l

[HeallunRumblebelly]

ambrotos = bisch btw, for your viewing pleasure.

[Ambrotos]

He wouldn't know that name. He was too busy summoning mod rods and looking at the ground not to lag out.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

He wouldn't know that name. He was too busy summoning mod rods and looking at the ground not to lag out.

The paladin who guy looked a bit like john denver...ephi..what was his paladin's name? Can't remember.

[Funkutron5000]

Didn't Ephi play a bard?

[Ambrotos]

I thought it was a wizard.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Didn't Ephi play a bard?

I've probably got the names wrong. His forum avatar was a young man with a chain and medallion. Looked a lot like the John Denver cover. Just can't remember his name.

[Vyal]

ambrotos = bisch btw, for your viewing pleasure.

I remember the name can't understand why someone would come in making up lies from 4 years ago though ... get off my nuts with your 4 year old beef, if anyone got trained by me it was probably you for talking trash and your still all pissed about it.


I have this vague memory of mercilessly training someone in IB named Bisch once while I was in DA.

[Ambrotos]

Sounds like this Bisch was doing Allah's work. Pras Bisch.

[Ambrotos]

Oh wait, I misread that. Damn rnf non edits.

Was never in IB nor would I ever want to be. Go back to summoning mod rods.

[Vyal]

Oh wait, I misread that. Damn rnf non edits.

Was never in IB nor would I ever want to be. Go back to summoning mod rods.

You would like that wouldn't you? Mod rods and clicky annul sticks for everyone.
Gotta hold the mages down can't have 2 mages wrecking your 100 man zerg fest by tracking a mob they need getting the fte and cohing their guild in.

[Vyal]

Even with variance, and a 3 tier rotation system and years and years into content stuck on repeat that was not once mind you able to be classic because of all the rules. You still want to make sure those zerg guilds get their pixel crack and no one gets a fair shot at anything.

[Sirken]

shut up.

<3

[Tiggles]

shut up.

<3

Check your PM's

[Vyal]

shut up.

<3

I just don't say how making a rule to shut mages out from raids solves anything at all, all I am seeing here is people in huge guilds making posts about how its terrible thing because they wouldn't know what to do with countless coh mages camping spawns to get fte.

It's like I said before what if you have nothing but mages going after staff on inny are you saying they cannot play mages because that is against the rules, no that is basically what the rule is.
They don't get to compete and have to just let BDA go kill the mob because they are mages can't track and can't fte.

Reminds me of different FPS games where someone is really good with a certain gun but everyone cries so they disable the gun because it's to OP. But this is EQ and disabling an entire class from doing what it does is pretty lame.

[khanable]

shut up.

<3

[Vyal]

Still don't give a fuck, Sirkens a really cool dude if he wants me to shut up because I pointed out a huge fucking flaw in this mages can't do what mages do on raids because they are to OP he can and I still don't care.

[Vyal]

Don't take offense Sirken its just a game.

[Detoxx]

It's like I said before what if you have nothing but mages going after staff on inny are you saying they cannot play mages because that is against the rules, no that is basically what the rule is.
They don't get to compete and have to just let BDA go kill the mob because they are mages can't track and can't fte.

1. Use ranger to track Inny or monk FD at spawn point, or any countless class that can use vision on a mob in his room from the fountain.

2. Didnt say mages cant fte, mages that are tracking cant fte

[Strifer]

So mages cannot coh at all for raids or just cannot track and coh?

[Detoxx]

1) In regards to the two trackers rule - The trackers must not be mages, and are no longer allowed to FTE the mob they are tracking.

This states that anyone can FTE, as long as they werent the ones tracking.

[Wildino]

Check your PM's

Yeah, Sirken need your message to notice he have a PM...

Or how to brag "hey guys i talk with GMs am a man"

useless post as the previous one thousand five hundred

http://s27.postimg.org/70h2f0w8j/tigdiva.jpg

[Strifer]

If mages can't coh, Rangers shouldn't be able to eat death touches since that's what they were meant to do.

[Vyal]

Yo man mages CoH thats is what mages freaking do and guess what mage cohing to mobs is about as classic as you can get.

Make it so monks are not allowed to FD at spawn point and camp it or no rangers are allowed to be in a zone to track and lets see how far that shit gets.

[khanable]

Vyal do you raid with your guild?

[DeruIsLove]

Only warriors can track mobs. Only way to keep it fair.

[Vyal]

Vyal do you raid with your guild?

Raid what man the mob thats 2 months down the line on rotation?

[khanable]

Raid what man the mob thats 2 months down the line on rotation?

Yes, do you?

[contemptor]

Man that's going to be an annoying race to pull Fay :o

[Vyal]

Yes, do you?

Honestly have not really raided since variance & rotations got put in along with the many other rules that turned raiding on p99 into something that felt like a shitty damn job.

But if someone really wanted or needed a kill I would camp it and CoH groups in because I like to do shit like that.

These rule say I can't track a mob and Call people in, I can't engage it, hell no one can even be in the zone when it spawns...

If you think it's fair to single out one class that has been pissed on the most here and say the one good thing they have left that hasn't been nerfed is not even allowed to be used then we have nothing left to discuss.

[Torino]

Honestly have not really raided since variance & rotations got put in along with the many other rules that turned raiding on p99 into something that felt like a shitty damn job.

But if someone really wanted or needed a kill I would camp it and CoH groups in because I like to do shit like that.

These rule say I can't track a mob and Call people in, I can't engage it, hell no one can even be in the zone when it spawns...

If you think it's fair to single out one class that has been pissed on the most here and say the one good thing they have left that hasn't been nerfed is not even allowed to be used then we have nothing left to discuss.


You could go play wow, and take the crying with you.

[Ahldagor]

Honestly have not really raided since variance & rotations got put in along with the many other rules that turned raiding on p99 into something that felt like a shitty damn job.

But if someone really wanted or needed a kill I would camp it and CoH groups in because I like to do shit like that.

These rule say I can't track a mob and Call people in, I can't engage it, hell no one can even be in the zone when it spawns...

If you think it's fair to single out one class that has been pissed on the most here and say the one good thing they have left that hasn't been nerfed is not even allowed to be used then we have nothing left to discuss.

you realize the raid scene has the rules it has because of the raiders right?

[Vyal]

you realize the raid scene has the rules it has because of the raiders right?

Then please tell me who it was that said hey lets make a rule that mages can't track mobs because coh is op...
I will put 50k up right now it was someone in BDA.

[khanable]

Then please tell me who it was that said hey lets make a rule that mages can't track mobs because coh is op...
I will put 50k up right now it was someone in BDA.

I'll take that bet.

[Vyal]

I'll take that bet.

so who was it, or are you telling me Sirken came up with this rule all by himself just out the blue said hey you know what im going to be totally not classic today and make a rule that disables mages from tracking the mobs they need.

OR was it BDA spamming his pm because some mage coh'd people infront of them and got a kill?

[Ahldagor]

Then please tell me who it was that said hey lets make a rule that mages can't track mobs because coh is op...
I will put 50k up right now it was someone in BDA.

the lord giveth and the lord taketh away.

[Vyal]

It's one thing to have friendly rules players abide by and all that, it's just a game raiding with rotations is not my cup of tea I don't do it much...

However when you start saying ONE player is allowed to camp a mob and the other player isn't allowed to do it and mages are not allowed to take part in that aspect of the server whatsoever then it becomes something I don't think anyone ever intended it to be, if they are shooting for classic even in the least little bit telling mages they cant track mobs and coh people in is the wrong direction.

But man those few pages are my input are this stupid rule all I see is BDA trolling me so im out.

[Sadad]

meth
not even once

[Torino]

You know, if people could play fair, and not be asshats..these rules would not be needed.

[Skywarp]

Shitty thread started by a silly Billy from the hills. -5 stars

[harnold]

I wasn't in da nor on the staff when it was around. I don't need to be in a guild to know what they thought about you.

I didn't understand the hate even if you wiped a handful of raids. People aren't good at some games. It happens.

lol @ this idiot

ambrotos loses

[Hitpoint]

I see your point. I would be pissed too if my guild is now going to clear jugs+reets so that 10 class R guilds can try to get FTE instead of using a coth machine full of people that's done the soulfire quest.

What's the difference between a coth race vs a bard race anyway other than the bard with no dragon drums will lose? I guess coth race on trak was ok since 100% of the FFA trakanon went to class c guilds so why fix something that wasn't broken eh?.

What's the difference between poop socking FTE at the zone in vs at the actual spawn point? The only thing I'm seeing is the removal of autofire or keyboard/mouse clicking until your fingers bleed.

The only thing I'm going to be monitoring is the part where another guild trained my raid. Or which bard doesn't show up on camera/tracking leaving the designated entrances that got the first FTE.

I wouldn't be worried about guilds cheating on here since not many guilds do on this server. There would only be a few petitions and suspensions then the dust will settle.

I thought these Ideas were pioneered by class C guilds to make it fair?

Can you elaborate on what you think I missed from a view at 35,000 feet?

Here's what you missed. These rules will not make it easier for you. Class R might try for a week and then they'll give up again with some excuse. Then class C is stuck dealing with these retarded rules for ever, which just make things unnecessarily tedious for us.

[doyoueventrainbro]

WOW THANKS FOR THE CHANGES!! VP IS REALLY EXCITING RIGHT NOW. INSTEAD OF A FEW NECKBEARD NERDS POOPING THE ZONE WAITING ON A DRAGON, A WHOLE TEAM + PER GUILD ARE POOPING THE ZONE WAITING ON DRAGONS!

THANK YOU FOR THE EXCITING AND WELL-THOUGHT CHANGES TO THE RAID SCENE. THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE WOW ALREADY!

SINCERLY,

NO.

[Cecily]

Bring back no CSR VP.

[Hitpoint]

WOW THANKS FOR THE CHANGES!! VP IS REALLY EXCITING RIGHT NOW. INSTEAD OF A FEW NECKBEARD NERDS POOPING THE ZONE WAITING ON A DRAGON, A WHOLE TEAM + PER GUILD ARE POOPING THE ZONE WAITING ON DRAGONS!

THANK YOU FOR THE EXCITING AND WELL-THOUGHT CHANGES TO THE RAID SCENE. THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE WOW ALREADY!

SINCERLY,

NO.

Truth.

[Heebo]

Bring back no CSR VP.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

WOW THANKS FOR THE CHANGES!! VP IS REALLY EXCITING RIGHT NOW. INSTEAD OF A FEW NECKBEARD NERDS POOPING THE ZONE WAITING ON A DRAGON, A WHOLE TEAM + PER GUILD ARE POOPING THE ZONE WAITING ON DRAGONS!

THANK YOU FOR THE EXCITING AND WELL-THOUGHT CHANGES TO THE RAID SCENE. THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE WOW ALREADY!

SINCERLY,

NO.

With round-the-clock buffer assistance :3 But no bards. Because fuck bards, that's why.

[doyoueventrainbro]

THIS IS SO FUCKING CLASSIC YO!

[Rhambuk]

because theres only one way to raid.

Hard as fuck