Selling Epics? Outrageous prices?

[Taralia]

Thoughts on 2 things
#1 if wanting into R class, must get VP Requires Trak Tooth Requires farming it = 2 months of waiting for your turn
#2 Specfic mobs Naggy/Inny/Ct/Trak etc drop key items how do yall feel 500k for Slimeblood 350k for trak guts to Guild banks or personal people that pay for what? sits in bank? buys them what?

Plat Sales? maybe? dunno just a bit upset takes 1 year or 700k to get epic....but 50k for Rogues / Clerics....

[Cecily]

Derubael▓▓{░▒┴╙╫⌡√■░▒pixel♣│╢hack░░▒▓≈≤±

[khanable]

Replies to your thoughts:

1) what
2) what

[Bruno]

I think everyone that creates a necro should be entitled to a free mq as well, even if they aren't level 60 or in any relevant raiding guild.

[harnold]

I think your all a bunch of hootenannies

[Emsee]

Eat less carbs, and have some fucking self respect to not date an e-thug you whore.

[Taralia]

I think everyone that creates a necro should be entitled to a free mq as well, even if they aren't level 60 or in any relevant raiding guild.

meanie 2 months 1 char level 51... 3 week hiatus during those 2 months.... why u so mean mr troll

[Anichek]

Replies to your thoughts:

1) what
2) what

[Bruno]

meanie 2 months 1 char level 51... 3 week hiatus during those 2 months.... why u so mean mr troll

Just proving a point. You have put 0 time or effort in and expecting to be able to purchase an epic that requires heavily contested mobs that other people put exhausting amount of hours in for basically nothing. That's a joke right?

[khanable]

Just proving a point. You have put 0 time or effort in and expecting to be able to purchase an epic that requires heavily contested mobs that other people put exhausting amount of hours in for basically nothing. That's a joke right?

I couldn't really understand the OP, but my take away was he more upset about the original design of the quests, which allows some of them to be easy (and, therefore, cheap), while others suck nuts to complete.

I'm probably wrong though

[Argh]

Replies to your thoughts:

1) what
2) what

[Taralia]

wrong i like convo idc, im happy got my drop :P just was interested in the 10 guilds 2 months cycle is all...just wanted opinons and of course some be harder than others np. just dislike 500k items is all :P

[Ella`Ella]

wrong i like convo idc, im happy got my drop :P just was interested in the 10 guilds 2 months cycle is all...just wanted opinons and of course some be harder than others np. just dislike 500k items is all :P

I can probably let a banked slime-blood go for 495, if that helps.

[Taralia]

:( unbrella im poor :(

[Ahldagor]

post your tits and you'll get loot. it's not an rmt because no money changes hands, so let's see them titties

[Taralia]

gloves and eye 1st!

[Ahldagor]

tits with a time stamp, and you'll get it. you'll get the pm you're wanting

[Erydan Ouragan]

I don't get the epic obsession.

omg i'll never be able to get my epoc evryting is camp and i dont have 500k

Then fucking don't get your epic. It's not like you need it to farm giants or get a seb group.

There's only 2 classes in the game right now that "need" their epic: cleric and rogue.

Both can be MQ'ed for 60-65k and 30-35k respectively. Epics for the rest of the classes are just stat sticks with a cool look that most likely provide something you already have.

I know some people will say "but i can rootrot 5 mobs with my shaman epic!" or "signing modifier on bard epic is the ONLY item in the game that can do that!!1" or other retarded arguments but the reality is that while having it is nice, it's far from necessary.

So if getting it is too much trouble, then just don't get it.

[Kingore]

I know some people will say "but i can rootrot 5 mobs with my shaman epic!" or "signing modifier on bard epic is the ONLY item in the game that can do that!!1" or other retarded arguments but the reality is that while having it is nice, it's far from necessary.

You can get shammy epics for like 45k-60kish, pretty cheap also. Just saying.

[Tiggles]

If you can't get your epic then you don't need your epic.

An Epic is a luxury not a right especially something terrible like the necro epic that gets replaced 30 days into velious and is pretty useless in Kunark anyways.

The fact is if you are casual trash an epic won't make you any better, you'll still sit in KC/Seb and still be terrible.

[radda]

There's only 2 classes in the game right now that "need" their epic: cleric and rogue.


you had me untill this..

[Erydan Ouragan]

If you can't get your epic then you don't need your epic.

An Epic is a luxury not a right especially something terrible like the necro epic that gets replaced 30 days into velious and is pretty useless in Kunark anyways.

The fact is if you are casual trash an epic won't make you any better, you'll still sit in KC/Seb and still be terrible.

Tiggles confirmed bad. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Let's look at the necro epic:

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 34
DMG: 22
STR: +5 STA: +10 CHA: +5 INT: +20 HP: +20 MANA: +80
SV FIRE: +5 SV DISEASE: +15 SV COLD: +5 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +15
Effect: Torment of Shadows (Must Equip, Casting Time: 9.0) at Level 50
WT: 5.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: NEC
Race: HUM ERU DEF GNM IKS

What is Torment of Shadows?:

1 : Decrease Hitpoints by 75 per tick
2 : Decrease Movement Speed by 11% (L1) to 65% (L55)

According to my superior min/max theorycrafting abilities, i determined that having your epic as a necro improves your DPS by 0.549% while providing a extremely useful and unique ability that no other class in the game can provide: snare.

This is obviously a game-changer and once again, it shows how TMO is destroying p99 by holding on key pieces for vital epics such as this one.

#wipeitclean2014, etc etc.

[Ryndar]

Thoughts on 2 things
#1 if wanting into R class, must get VP Requires Trak Tooth Requires farming it = 2 months of waiting for your turn
#2 Specfic mobs Naggy/Inny/Ct/Trak etc drop key items how do yall feel 500k for Slimeblood 350k for trak guts to Guild banks or personal people that pay for what? sits in bank? buys them what?

Plat Sales? maybe? dunno just a bit upset takes 1 year or 700k to get epic....but 50k for Rogues / Clerics....

Who the fuck pays more than 25k for a rogue epic?

[Erydan Ouragan]

you had me untill this..

Thanks for your informative and astute retort.

Bard epic: Proc is a nice buff, 10% more haste that best haste song. Singing modifier: worthless. You... pump more mana with the level 32 song during downtime. Wow. If you want to provide the best stat buffs you switch instruments while meleeing anyways (which have a much better modifier), because bard melee is complete shit.

Druid epic: It's a dot, too bad druids don't have dots and need their epic to provide one.

Enchanter epic: Nice haste buff, too bad enchanters don't have haste spells i guess.

Magician epic: The epic pet is the only pet mages have, so they obviously have to get it.

Necromancer epic: A dot that snares (or a snare that dots, depending on your perspective). This is madness, as necromancers don't have any spells that even remotely look like a snare or a dot.

Monk epic: You need that haste clicky because when you're grouped, enchanters and shamans don't cast their haste spells on you.

Ranger: This one is actually good. 50% slow proc on earthcaller and best weapons available.

Shaman epic: As shamans don't have dots, they need their epic, of course.

Wizard epic: Wizards don't get self-rune spells, wiz epic clearly needed.

Warrior epic: Since the warrior epic is the only weapon in the game with an agro proc, they clearly need it.

Paladin epic: Damage and short stun proc. Paladins need their epic because they don't have stun spells that can do damage.

SK epic: A proc dot that drains hp per tick. I don't even.

So this leaves us with:

Rogue epic: Best main-hand in the game. Pure damage class, focused on doing damage, with a side of damage and a glass of damage? For 30-35k, i'll go with yes, unless there's 15/25 piercing weapons i'm not aware of in the game right now?

Cleric epic: From a grouping perspective, you don't need your epic. From a raiding perspective, you can't live without it.

Conclusion: I'm right.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Replies to your thoughts:

1) what
2) what

Spot on

What the fuck is this??

[thieros]

Thanks for your informative and astute retort.

Bard epic: Proc is a nice buff, 10% more haste that best haste song. Singing modifier: worthless. You... pump more mana with the level 32 song during downtime. Wow. If you want to provide the best stat buffs you switch instruments while meleeing anyways (which have a much better modifier), because bard melee is complete shit.

Druid epic: It's a dot, too bad druids don't have dots and need their epic to provide one.

Enchanter epic: Nice haste buff, too bad enchanters don't have haste spells i guess.

Magician epic: The epic pet is the only pet mages have, so they obviously have to get it.

Necromancer epic: A dot that snares (or a snare that dots, depending on your perspective). This is madness, as necromancers don't have any spells that even remotely look like a snare or a dot.

Monk epic: You need that haste clicky because when you're grouped, enchanters and shamans don't cast their haste spells on you.

Ranger: This one is actually good. 50% slow proc on earthcaller and best weapons available.

Shaman epic: As shamans don't have dots, they need their epic, of course.

Wizard epic: Wizards don't get self-rune spells, wiz epic clearly needed.

Warrior epic: Since the warrior epic is the only weapon in the game with an agro proc, they clearly need it.

Paladin epic: Damage and short stun proc. Paladins need their epic because they don't have stun spells that can do damage.

SK epic: A proc dot that drains hp per tick. I don't even.

So this leaves us with:

Rogue epic: Best main-hand in the game. Pure damage class, focused on doing damage, with a side of damage and a glass of damage? For 30-35k, i'll go with yes, unless there's 15/25 piercing weapons i'm not aware of in the game right now?

Cleric epic: From a grouping perspective, you don't need your epic. From a raiding perspective, you can't live without it.

Conclusion: I'm right.

http://www.okmoviequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/8-Billy-Madison-quotes.gif

[Frogie305]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1851811/61111-DrCox-deal-with-it-gif-scrubs-XgR3.gif
Shissar Deathspeaker Staff ..

MAGIC ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 2H Blunt Atk Delay: 43
DMG: 19
INT: +20 HP: +25 MANA: +85
Effect: Soul Well (Must Equip, Casting Time: 13.5) at Level 50
WT: 7.9 Size: LARGE
Class: NEC
Race: ALL

Better than epic...

[Tasslehofp99]

Druid epic is also a snare.

[Tecmos Deception]

I think everyone that creates a necro should be entitled to a free mq as well, even if they aren't level 60 or in any relevant raiding guild.

+1. Everyone got their epics with only a month of minimal effort on live right? WHY NOT CLASSIC HERE?!

[Heebo]

Thanks for your informative and astute retort.

Bard epic: Proc is a nice buff, 10% more haste that best haste song. Singing modifier: worthless. You... pump more mana with the level 32 song during downtime. Wow. If you want to provide the best stat buffs you switch instruments while meleeing anyways (which have a much better modifier), because bard melee is complete shit.

Druid epic: It's a dot, too bad druids don't have dots and need their epic to provide one.

Enchanter epic: Nice haste buff, too bad enchanters don't have haste spells i guess.

Magician epic: The epic pet is the only pet mages have, so they obviously have to get it.

Necromancer epic: A dot that snares (or a snare that dots, depending on your perspective). This is madness, as necromancers don't have any spells that even remotely look like a snare or a dot.

Monk epic: You need that haste clicky because when you're grouped, enchanters and shamans don't cast their haste spells on you.

Ranger: This one is actually good. 50% slow proc on earthcaller and best weapons available.

Shaman epic: As shamans don't have dots, they need their epic, of course.

Wizard epic: Wizards don't get self-rune spells, wiz epic clearly needed.

Warrior epic: Since the warrior epic is the only weapon in the game with an agro proc, they clearly need it.

Paladin epic: Damage and short stun proc. Paladins need their epic because they don't have stun spells that can do damage.

SK epic: A proc dot that drains hp per tick. I don't even.

So this leaves us with:

Rogue epic: Best main-hand in the game. Pure damage class, focused on doing damage, with a side of damage and a glass of damage? For 30-35k, i'll go with yes, unless there's 15/25 piercing weapons i'm not aware of in the game right now?

Cleric epic: From a grouping perspective, you don't need your epic. From a raiding perspective, you can't live without it.

Conclusion: I'm right.
Wow ur dum

[Whirled]

+1. Everyone got their epics with only a month of minimal effort on live right? WHY NOT CLASSIC HERE?!

Actually; aside from a few items: (Amy whip, Phinny backbone & Trak guts, etc..) The bard epic was quite easily doable on Live bitd*. Even a casual like myself had a bard epic before lvl 50.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Make epics non-mqable. lazy RMT cunts.

[Dragonsblood1987]

tits with a time stamp, and you'll get it. you'll get the pm you're wanting

getting creepy desperate, breh. you know there are tits outside, right? put on a thick layer of sunscreen (so your delicate UV deprived flesh doesnt bubble and melt) and go outside.

[Vyal]

I'm still paying 400k for a earth staff from Inny that I have been offering since about 2011, with about 15 Inny kills if thats any relevance to this thread.

[Shinko]

Tiggles confirmed bad. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Let's look at the necro epic:

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 34
DMG: 22
STR: +5 STA: +10 CHA: +5 INT: +20 HP: +20 MANA: +80
SV FIRE: +5 SV DISEASE: +15 SV COLD: +5 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +15
Effect: Torment of Shadows (Must Equip, Casting Time: 9.0) at Level 50
WT: 5.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: NEC
Race: HUM ERU DEF GNM IKS

What is Torment of Shadows?:

1 : Decrease Hitpoints by 75 per tick
2 : Decrease Movement Speed by 11% (L1) to 65% (L55)

According to my superior min/max theorycrafting abilities, i determined that having your epic as a necro improves your DPS by 0.549% while providing a extremely useful and unique ability that no other class in the game can provide: snare.

This is obviously a game-changer and once again, it shows how TMO is destroying p99 by holding on key pieces for vital epics such as this one.

#wipeitclean2014, etc etc.


Devouring Darkness
Summons a devouring darkness that binds your target's feet, decreasing their movement rate, and doing 107 damage every six seconds for 1.3 mins, for a total of 1391 damage.

+ it get resisted
+ any snare or root spell will over wright it
+ if you want epics, join a class C guild or make a class C guild

forceful Entry in it short time, got more epics in 1/2 a year then any of these longer guilds (and this was before these raid rules making it 100% harder back then)

stop fucking complaining about loots, play the guild join a guild that does stuff.

[Clark]

If you can't get your epic then you don't need your epic.

An Epic is a luxury not a right especially something terrible like the necro epic that gets replaced 30 days into velious and is pretty useless in Kunark anyways.

The fact is if you are casual trash an epic won't make you any better, you'll still sit in KC/Seb and still be terrible.

[Tiggles]

Tiggles confirmed bad. You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Let's look at the necro epic:

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY
Skill: 1H Blunt Atk Delay: 34
DMG: 22
STR: +5 STA: +10 CHA: +5 INT: +20 HP: +20 MANA: +80
SV FIRE: +5 SV DISEASE: +15 SV COLD: +5 SV MAGIC: +10 SV POISON: +15
Effect: Torment of Shadows (Must Equip, Casting Time: 9.0) at Level 50
WT: 5.0 Size: MEDIUM
Class: NEC
Race: HUM ERU DEF GNM IKS

What is Torment of Shadows?:

1 : Decrease Hitpoints by 75 per tick
2 : Decrease Movement Speed by 11% (L1) to 65% (L55)

According to my superior min/max theorycrafting abilities, i determined that having your epic as a necro improves your DPS by 0.549% while providing a extremely useful and unique ability that no other class in the game can provide: snare.

This is obviously a game-changer and once again, it shows how TMO is destroying p99 by holding on key pieces for vital epics such as this one.

#wipeitclean2014, etc etc.


Dat HP

[Erydan Ouragan]

Devouring Darkness
Summons a devouring darkness that binds your target's feet, decreasing their movement rate, and doing 107 damage every six seconds for 1.3 mins, for a total of 1391 damage.

+ it get resisted
+ any snare or root spell will over wright it
+ if you want epics, join a class C guild or make a class C guild

forceful Entry in it short time, got more epics in 1/2 a year then any of these longer guilds (and this was before these raid rules making it 100% harder back then)

stop fucking complaining about loots, play the guild join a guild that does stuff.

Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points, isn't it?

[General]

Epics r Stewpid

[Messianic]

ITT: Complaining about Yacht prices when they make 25k a year

[Savok]

Your all wrong about the Bard Epic! It's the most important item for a bard to have for one reason, you don't have to equip your flute to use invis (nothing like being jumped by a see invis mob and having to swap out for weapons - especially when the instrument is secondary and you pick up that primary BoH first, ugh!).

If anyone has a red and white scale, as well as Trak guts for free, please send me a tell.

[General]

Ranger Epics are coolios, but that god damn Innoruuk is in it for himself! greedy bastard, he should join TMO

[Dragonsblood1987]

If you can't get your epic then you don't need your epic.

An Epic is a luxury not a right especially something terrible like the necro epic that gets replaced 30 days into velious and is pretty useless in Kunark anyways.

The fact is if you are casual trash an epic won't make you any better, you'll still sit in KC/Seb and still be terrible.

Tits or GTFO fatty.

[Tiggles]

Your all wrong about the Bard Epic! It's the most important item for a bard to have for one reason, you don't have to equip your flute to use invis (nothing like being jumped by a see invis mob and having to swap out for weapons - especially when the instrument is secondary and you pick up that primary BoH first, ugh!).

If anyone has a red and white scale, as well as Trak guts for free, please send me a tell.

That's still a convenience thing and does not add a new level to the classes gameplay.

[Whirled]

https://warosu.org/data/tg/img/0269/13/1377879520886.jpg

Epic, shmepic

[Bboboo]

http://gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Misc/Woman%20picks%20up%20a%20used%20tissue%20and%20eat s%20the%20snot.gif

[Savok]

That's still a convenience thing and does not add a new level to the classes gameplay.

Yes I know, I was just being funny. I used to be one of those bards on live who would be swapping instruments in groups rather than meleeing but I switched to a rog here that was out dpsing my 50 bard at level 25.

[Loke]

Bard epic is arguably the best epic in the game imo, with cleric epic being the only point of contention. Completely game changing for how you play the class and the utility it provides. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about and probably has never played a bard to 60.

[Champion_Standing]

All MQs should be disabled, but hey ez mode gonna ez

[Kekephee]

Bard epic is arguably the best epic in the game imo, with cleric epic being the only point of contention. Completely game changing for how you play the class and the utility it provides. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about and probably has never played a bard to 60.

Nah it's totally worthless, Tiggles is completely right

TMO should sell me a trak guts for 20k, they'd be lucky to get half that from anyone else for such a useless item. Such a hard to get piece for such a shitty weapon, I must be an idiot if I'm willing to pay 20k for that

[Tiggles]

Bard epic is arguably the best epic in the game imo, with cleric epic being the only point of contention. Completely game changing for how you play the class and the utility it provides. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about and probably has never played a bard to 60.

You obviously have never played a rogue to 60 if you think that.

[Tiggles]

All MQs should be disabled, but hey ez mode gonna ez

100% agree.

it would open up so many camps/raid mobs if we could disable epic MQ's or atleast make it so you have to be 51+ for all of them.

[Tiggles]

Nah it's totally worthless, Tiggles is completely right

TMO should sell me a trak guts for 20k, they'd be lucky to get half that from anyone else for such a useless item. Such a hard to get piece for such a shitty weapon, I must be an idiot if I'm willing to pay 20k for that

you guys kill Trakanon once a month you'll get it eventually. Get in line for that Government Dole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII&feature=kp

[PsychoTass]

You obviously have never played a rogue to 60 if you think that.

Says the clown who didn't play one to 60 himself.

[Tiggles]

Says the clown who didn't play one to 60 himself.

i did 50-60 that's the only part that matters anyways. Besides QF was 60 long before epics anyways.

[Kekephee]

you guys kill Trakanon once a month you'll get it eventually. Get in line for that Government Dole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzspsovNvII&feature=kp

I'm in line! But I'd rather pay 20k, as EXORBITANTLY overpriced for such a USELESS SHIT item as that is, than wait any longer! I'm an impatient sucker, capitalize on me!

[Loke]

I can never tell if Tiggles is trolling or dumb.

Also, I have a 60 rogue.

[Tiggles]

I'm in line! But I'd rather pay 20k, as EXORBITANTLY overpriced for such a USELESS SHIT item as that is, than wait any longer! I'm an impatient sucker, capitalize on me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64Fz-KW1Dk

[Tiggles]

I can never tell if Tiggles is trolling or dumb.

Also, I have a 60 rogue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIYoyvW3J9Q

[General]

I can never tell if Tiggles is trolling or dumb.

Also, I have a 60 rogue.

Your second guess is the best bet.

[Gaffin 7.0]

alot of dumb, lol bard epic best? gtfo

[Tiggles]

alot of dumb, lol bard epic best? gtfo

Gaffins leveled like 3 rogues to 60 and epic'd them I'd say he's a reliable source to talk about pre and post Epic DPS.

[Gaffin 7.0]

truth havent reached 60 on my 3rd yet tho

[Loke]

alot of dumb, lol bard epic best? gtfo

Bouncerr (fake Gaffin), stick to what you know. If I wanted advice on how to get rejected by guilds and ultimately banned on a warrior, or how to fake my way into a guild using someone else's name, rest assured you'd be the first person I'd contact.

[Gaffin 7.0]

oldcomebacks.gif

feelings hurt

go wash my car now :(

[Erydan Ouragan]

Bard epic is arguably the best epic in the game imo, with cleric epic being the only point of contention. Completely game changing for how you play the class and the utility it provides. Anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea what they're talking about and probably has never played a bard to 60.

The bard epic:

Nice stats and resists, but not game changing. Damage? With a 210 cap on dual wield and no double attack, bard melee is laughable, still not game changing.

The proc, then? The proc is very nice. 55% haste +30str/atk. Still not game changing.

So what's left? Well the bard epic acts as an all-instrument with a modifier of 18, including the singing skill.

Here is the thing. It's still not game changing whatsoever. What effect does an 18 modifier on singing? Your snare is a little bit better, your slow is a little bit better, you regen more mana per cast of the level 32 song, it boosts your psalm's damage shield a little bit better. How is that game changing.

You boost the stats of your songs by playing them with the epic, but then, it would be better to simply switch to the corresponding instrument. The brass instrument you buy from a vendor for a couple silver and copper has a better modifier (20) than the epic (18).

So either you don't know what you're talking about or i don't know what i'm talking about.

I'll go with i'm right and you're wrong, unless you can prove otherwise.

[Gaffin 7.0]

if i wanted to know how to be irrelevant to the game, say bards have best benefit epic, sell my accounts and be anon stalker on forums i could do that too

[Loke]

Yes, because the reason you want a 1.8 mod on psalms is for the damage shields...

[iruinedyourday]

What's with this new trend of getting your epic handed to you or level 60 spells for free. Jesus this game isn't hard.

[Kekephee]

The bard epic:

Nice stats and resists, but not game changing. Damage? With a 210 cap on dual wield and no double attack, bard melee is laughable, still not game changing.

The proc, then? The proc is very nice. 55% haste +30str/atk. Still not game changing.

So what's left? Well the bard epic acts as an all-instrument with a modifier of 18, including the singing skill.

Here is the thing. It's still not game changing whatsoever. What effect does an 18 modifier on singing? Your snare is a little bit better, your slow is a little bit better, you regen more mana per cast of the level 32 song, it boosts your psalm's damage shield a little bit better. How is that game changing.

You boost the stats of your songs by playing them with the epic, but then, it would be better to simply switch to the corresponding instrument. The brass instrument you buy from a vendor for a couple silver and copper has a better modifier (20) than the epic (18).

So either you don't know what you're talking about or i don't know what i'm talking about.

I'll go with i'm right and you're wrong, unless you can prove otherwise.


Instead of swapping instruments, you can have one item equipped that gives a modifier to all instrument types. That modifier is 18 vs. 24, which is 180% vs. 240%, which seems like a significant difference until you realize that's the difference between a 48 point dot vs. a 36, 48 str. vs. 36, etc. So the difference is negligible, but you don't have to switch instruments constantly which, when you're twisting 4 songs, taking one second to swap instruments can make you miss your mark and one of your songs will drop- which can be disastrous in a dragon fight when you're twisting resists.


So, yeah, that is literally the definition of game-changing. It literally changes the way you play because you're not having to constantly swap instruments and can twist more songs.

[General]

Bouncerr (fake Gaffin), stick to what you know. If I wanted advice on how to get rejected by guilds and ultimately banned on a warrior, or how to fake my way into a guild using someone else's name, rest assured you'd be the first person I'd contact.

lololol

[Loke]

if i wanted to know how to be irrelevant to the game, say bards have best benefit epic, sell my accounts and be anon stalker on forums i could do that too

What? My comeback may have been old, but at least it was accurate. I was an officer of FE when you applied on Bouncerr, and a member of IB when you were pretending to be Gaffin. Also still have an army of L60s with epics.

[Gaffin 7.0]

Mad because wrong. So brings up the past. Only a idiot thinks bard epic would even be in the top 3.

[Gaffin 7.0]

And I left FE soon as Eccezan invited me to TMO. Not sure what your trying to say.

[Shinko]

i dont read rnf i just post random shit

[General]

Mad because wrong. So brings up the past. Only a idiot thinks bard epic would even be in the top 3.

only AN idiot.

Be punctual when trying to call others idiots, young one.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Yes, because the reason you want a 1.8 mod on psalms is for the damage shields...

Well why else would you want it for then?

Stop talking all cryptic and mysterious like you have some arcane knowledge that you're the only one to know and just state it: what on the bard epic is so amazing that you absolutely have to have it? What is game changing about it?


Instead of swapping instruments, you can have one item equipped that gives a modifier to all instrument types. That modifier is 18 vs. 24, which is 180% vs. 240%, which seems like a significant difference until you realize that's the difference between a 48 point dot vs. a 36, 48 str. vs. 36, etc. So the difference is negligible, but you don't have to switch instruments constantly which, when you're twisting 4 songs, taking one second to swap instruments can make you miss your mark and one of your songs will drop- which can be disastrous in a dragon fight when you're twisting resists.


So, yeah, that is literally the definition of game-changing. It literally changes the way you play because you're not having to constantly swap instruments and can twist more songs.

Sorry Keke, but i disagree. You know you can switch instruments while your song is casting right? You have 3 seconds between each songs to switch to the appropriate instrument. Put instrument in secondary slot, start casting, when song pulses, start the second song and take a whole 3 seconds to switch to other instrument.

I do it while melee'ing and having a mob mezzed and another charmed hitting the main target.

Now if twisting resists is so critical to the success of your raid, you shouldn't be meleeing at all, resists songs are percussion, so you equip your drums (which provide more resists than the epic) and stand in range and twist resists.

My point being: if you have your epic and think that it will allow you to stop switching instruments, you're doing it wrong. Either you switch the instruments to get the maximum effect because the situation matters, or it doesnt and you dont switch instruments and keep meleeing, in which case having your epic is a non-factor because its modifier is lower or equal to the instruments you buy at the vendor.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

What? My comeback may have been old, but at least it was accurate. I was an officer of FE when you applied on Bouncerr, and a member of IB when you were pretending to be Gaffin. Also still have an army of L60s with epics.

Loke, were you not popped in the great SEQ / MQ2 de-level / suspend wave?

[Loke]

I'm not mad, just think it is hilarious that someone who played a warrior and rogue is trying to talk about the utility of the bard epic. I have an epic warrior and epic rogue, and can flat out say my bard's epic is more game changing than both. It isn't even close.

[Kekephee]

Well why else would you want it for then?

Stop talking all cryptic and mysterious like you have some arcane knowledge that you're the only one to know and just state it: what on the bard epic is so amazing that you absolutely have to have it? What is game changing about it?



Sorry Keke, but i disagree. You know you can switch instruments while your song is casting right? You have 3 seconds between each songs to switch to the appropriate instrument. Put instrument in secondary slot, start casting, when song pulses, start the second song and take a whole 3 seconds to switch to other instrument.

I do it while melee'ing and having a mob mezzed and another charmed hitting the main target.

Now if twisting resists is so critical to the success of your raid, you shouldn't be meleeing at all, resists songs are percussion, so you equip your drums (which provide more resists than the epic) and stand in range and twist resists.

My point being: if you have your epic and think that it will allow you to stop switching instruments, you're doing it wrong. Either you switch the instruments to get the maximum effect because the situation matters, or it doesnt and you dont switch instruments and keep meleeing, in which case having your epic is a non-factor because its modifier is lower or equal to the instruments you buy at the vendor.


Certainly i'm not suggesting it's NECESSARY. You're absolutely right, you can completely play just fine without it. And in certain cases, should. A really heavy dragon fight where every resist point counts, you should be using a drum. But to completely dismiss the bard epic as being totally useless when there is a benefit to having it and it does make you a more effective player in a number of different situations is going too far. When I say "game-changer," I don't mean "you're not a good bard unless you have it," I mean "it changes the way you play the game." That's all.

[Gaffin 7.0]

I forgot you know all the classes I play and characters I have. Continue on about bard epic being #1 class game changer. Too funny.

[Tiggles]

Loke, were you not popped in the great SEQ / MQ2 de-level / suspend wave?

Yeah, But he was cool about it. He gets a pass.

[Loke]

resists songs are percussion


You sure about that? Guardian + Psalm is what you should be playing on like 80% of current raid encounters.

And Heallun, yup. I took a year or so off after that, but started playing again like a month or two before FE was created on my bard. Raided with them until the TMO merger then went back to IB. Been taking a break this summer while waiting on Velious.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Yeah, But he was cool about it. He gets a pass.

No no no. Loke used to talk about all the skilled things he was doing with this pull and that pull. We killed LDCs together--that's a sacred bond, Tiggles :p But the fact that he's calling out Gaffin as a cheater (which I mean, is that even necessary at this point?) while also having cheated and just gotten luckier on the punishment seems hypocritical.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also, given the state of the velious beta, you may want to invest in a cryo pod or something. Shit is outrageous. I suppose we all get second chances.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Certainly i'm not suggesting it's NECESSARY. You're absolutely right, you can completely play just fine without it. And in certain cases, should. A really heavy dragon fight where every resist point counts, you should be using a drum. But to completely dismiss the bard epic as being totally useless when there is a benefit to having it and it does make you a more effective player in a number of different situations is going too far. When I say "game-changer," I don't mean "you're not a good bard unless you have it," I mean "it changes the way you play the game." That's all.

Now i agree with this.

I never said it was useless, the proc on it is amazing if you're the only haster in a melee group, for example.

And it does make you more effective, i also agree with this, but i remember when i got my epic on live, during PoP and it absolutely didn't change the way i played the game at all.

I still switched instruments, CC'ed the same, did the same shitty melee damage.

The little stat boost is nice when you're too lazy to switch instruments while meleeing though.

[Erydan Ouragan]

You sure about that? Guardian + Psalm is what you should be playing on like 80% of current raid encounters.

And Heallun, yup. I took a year or so off after that, but started playing again like a month or two before FE was created on my bard. Raided with them until the TMO merger then went back to IB. Been taking a break this summer while waiting on Velious.

I assume you're talking about Guardian Rhythm and Psalm of Mystic Shielding, for the MR yeah?

Well Guardian is percussion and psalm is singing, so yes, your psalm is going to be a bit better with the epic but you should still switch to drums when you play guardian.

Still waiting on the game changing part.

[Ahldagor]

getting creepy desperate, breh. you know there are tits outside, right? put on a thick layer of sunscreen (so your delicate UV deprived flesh doesnt bubble and melt) and go outside.

i had this jackass thread dead for four hours

[HeallunRumblebelly]

If you're a bard who plays resists songs in a raid, no one cares about your epic. If you're actually a main bard who does other bard shit during the week, epic is titties.

[Erydan Ouragan]

If you're a bard who plays resists songs in a raid, no one cares about your epic. If you're actually a main bard who does other bard shit during the week, epic is titties.

I guess.

I mean the epic proc still isn't enough to haste cap a level 60 with the best haste item equipped, but it's better than the best haste song you get (level 56 45% haste). In any case, shamans at the same level get a better haste (celerity 50% haste), but let's not argue for a few percentage points. The str/atk is pretty cool though.

Having the epic frees up a song slot, as the song won't stack with the proc, that's also nice.

Other than that, it's pretty meh to be honest. If i'm already going to switch instruments while meleeing to provide the best effect for my group, then getting my epic is pointless and certainly not worth the obscene amount of platinum required for a guts MQ.

[Loke]

No no no. Loke used to talk about all the skilled things he was doing with this pull and that pull. We killed LDCs together--that's a sacred bond, Tiggles :p But the fact that he's calling out Gaffin as a cheater (which I mean, is that even necessary at this point?) while also having cheated and just gotten luckier on the punishment seems hypocritical.

What? Firstly, the banned thing was only part of my dig at him, mostly I was referencing the fact that he's been universally rejected by basically every raid guild on the server because he is a mediocre, loot hungry player. Like 75% of the posts in his FE app thread referenced how often he talked about getting award a Hand of the Maestro as an app.

Also, when did I talk to about skilled pulls? After you went to IB and I went to DA, I don't remember us talking all that much, and if it was before that, it was without SEQ since we didn't start using it until we found out Tullian was using it.

[Loke]

Still waiting on the game changing part.

70 MR (no epic) vs 126 MR (epic) on psalm, MR is king on raids, and 56 MR that stacks with everything is huge.

That is one of the biggest, but the bard epic isn't about 1 thing that it changes that makes it OP, it is about the combination of all those little changes that enables the class to do so much more with the limited time they have with their songs. Bard dps is bad, but 25 DPS is better than 0 for a raid. 56 MR might not be the be all end all, but if it keeps 2 or 3 rogues from getting feared for 8-10 seconds, that is huge. Ask TMO about how important resists are to raiding, took them awhile to figure out, but TMO today isn't wiping to gore with 70 people like TMO of the past, and the main reason for that is resists (not intended as a dig at TMO, you clear doing well now, but you guys have to admit in early Kunark some of you raids were straight up embarrassing). 30 atk from epic + the singing mod on the 55 melee song, applied to a group of rogues or monks is a significant dps increase. Any one of these things on their own isn't game changing, but when put together an epic bard brings so much to a raid that a non-epic bard cannot, that I would consider it game changing.

[Velerin]

Mage epic is pretty nice, and doesn't get replaced until PoP.

[thieros]

you are severely underestimating the importance of particle effects

[Gaffin 7.0]

never been rejected by any guild. kids in rnf believe anything

[Detoxx]

Werent u rejected by TMO during your app? You kno, the whole "fuk a epic, yaks works fine" thing?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

70 MR (no epic) vs 126 MR (epic) on psalm, MR is king on raids, and 56 MR that stacks with everything is huge.

That is one of the biggest, but the bard epic isn't about 1 thing that it changes that makes it OP, it is about the combination of all those little changes that enables the class to do so much more with the limited time they have with their songs. Bard dps is bad, but 25 DPS is better than 0 for a raid. 56 MR might not be the be all end all, but if it keeps 2 or 3 rogues from getting feared for 8-10 seconds, that is huge. Ask TMO about how important resists are to raiding, took them awhile to figure out, but TMO today isn't wiping to gore with 70 people like TMO of the past, and the main reason for that is resists (not intended as a dig at TMO, you clear doing well now, but you guys have to admit in early Kunark some of you raids were straight up embarrassing). 30 atk from epic + the singing mod on the 55 melee song, applied to a group of rogues or monks is a significant dps increase. Any one of these things on their own isn't game changing, but when put together an epic bard brings so much to a raid that a non-epic bard cannot, that I would consider it game changing.

^ Bards got enough shit going on. When they actually have to play varying songs that shit is invaluable. But seriously, fuck bard dps :p Also it lets the bard wear pd katana + epic which gives you another 20 sv all barring any songs. Is nice.

[Gaffin 7.0]

No I was helping druid do his epic in everfrost grouped/in Vent and got bant for mq2 flag.

Everyone was wondering what happened, shortly after that everyone and their momma talked shit about it, people that were good friends all of the sudden were shit talkers.

[Erydan Ouragan]

70 MR (no epic) vs 126 MR (epic) on psalm, MR is king on raids, and 56 MR that stacks with everything is huge.

That is one of the biggest, but the bard epic isn't about 1 thing that it changes that makes it OP, it is about the combination of all those little changes that enables the class to do so much more with the limited time they have with their songs. Bard dps is bad, but 25 DPS is better than 0 for a raid. 56 MR might not be the be all end all, but if it keeps 2 or 3 rogues from getting feared for 8-10 seconds, that is huge. Ask TMO about how important resists are to raiding, took them awhile to figure out, but TMO today isn't wiping to gore with 70 people like TMO of the past, and the main reason for that is resists (not intended as a dig at TMO, you clear doing well now, but you guys have to admit in early Kunark some of you raids were straight up embarrassing). 30 atk from epic + the singing mod on the 55 melee song, applied to a group of rogues or monks is a significant dps increase. Any one of these things on their own isn't game changing, but when put together an epic bard brings so much to a raid that a non-epic bard cannot, that I would consider it game changing.

Yep, 56 MR is pretty good, i agree with this.

Still looking for the 55 melee song though, because the only things we get at that level is the hp/mana regen and the 8s stun+dd on a 5m cooldown. If you're talking about the level 54 song, it's a straight 45% haste with no stats, which you will not play during a raid because melee will have better haste from a chanter.

Unless you're talking about the level 57 McVaxius Rousing Rondo? That's a brass song, if you're in a group of rogues and monks and want to optimize raid damage, you should switch to your brass instrument when you play it.

So as an epic bard in a raid setting you provide 30 more str/atk and 56 more MR, than a non epic bard. Sorry but it's hardly game-changing.

[Gaffin 7.0]

idk some epic, was extremely high arrogant asshole

as for being a loot whore no idea what loke is talking about as I never looted or ask for anything other than getting my final epic piece, i tracked it for months with no luck

when I finally did track it and we killed it, it went to a tmo cleric's alt, forgot the wood elfs war's name

[Loke]

Yep, 56 MR is pretty good, i agree with this.

Still looking for the 55 melee song though, because the only things we get at that level is the hp/mana regen and the 8s stun+dd on a 5m cooldown. If you're talking about the level 54 song, it's a straight 45% haste with no stats, which you will not play during a raid because melee will have better haste from a chanter.

Unless you're talking about the level 57 McVaxius Rousing Rondo? That's a brass song, if you're in a group of rogues and monks and want to optimize raid damage, you should switch to your brass instrument when you play it.

So as an epic bard in a raid setting you provide 30 more str/atk and 56 more MR, than a non epic bard. Sorry but it's hardly game-changing.

yea, my bad, was thinking 57 song, doing other things and didn't look up the name (which I can never spell properly) so just guess the level. Should have remember Cantana was 55.

Instrument switching simply isn't practical on raids. A current top end bard is going to drop 20 MR and over 100 hp to switch instruments in, not to mention it isn't simply 1 click since you have to unequip both the main and off hand. I'd be amazed if any bards in TMO or IB switch in instruments during raid encounters. Not only are you twisting songs, but you're using clickies, making sure you're pushing in the correct direction, making sure you're positioned correctly to get songs on your group (especially on dispel fights considering the range of dispel song).

[slappytwotoes]

Shaman epic: As shamans don't have dots, they need their epic, of course.

This mana-free 1309 dmg dot turns an average 50+ solo class into a godly 50+ solo class.

For ~60k per MQ I'd put this 3rd behind Rogue and Cleric in awesomeness per K

[Tiggles]

This mana-free 1309 dmg dot turns an average 50+ solo class into a godly 50+ solo class.

For ~60k per MQ I'd put this 3rd behind Rogue and Cleric in awesomeness per K

Oh man, if we are rating epics on the basis of awesomeness to K ratio. Bard Epic sucks almost as bad as necro.

[Estolcles]

How much plat are looting rights on Sir Lucan? Once I handle him, I can be on my way to my epic.

[Cecily]

I wanna say Jygia would sell you a soulfire MQ for like 7k? If you seriously need help just let me know, and I'd be happy to help with it. Cecily / Wyntir / Zalea.

[Tiggles]

I wanna say Jygia would sell you a soulfire MQ for like 7k? If you seriously need help just let me know, and I'd be happy to help with it. Cecily / Wyntir / Zalea.

Don't help him, He's retarded.

[Cecily]

http://i.imgur.com/5xk6JGK.jpg

[Tiggles]

http://i.imgur.com/5xk6JGK.jpg

http://appalachianareanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/welfare-state.jpg

[pufen]

http://i.imgur.com/5xk6JGK.jpg

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/4d.gif

[GinnasP99]

I think everyone that creates a necro should be entitled to a free mq as well, even if they aren't level 60 or in any relevant raiding guild.

I like this guy

[Dragonsblood1987]

I wanna say Jygia would sell you a soulfire MQ for like 7k? If you seriously need help just let me know, and I'd be happy to help with it. Cecily / Wyntir / Zalea.

I'm having a hard time comprehending this. TMO, but offering help.

[WizardEQ]

I'm having a hard time comprehending this. TMO, but offering help.

Did you mean to insert the conjunction you used? Or did you mean to omit the conjunction and say the incomplete sentence fragment:

TMO, offering help.

Because, for all intents and purposes, the insertion of "but" actually adds a flavor of the complimentary nature, not the opposite, which is what I assume you originally.

Xaxian

[WizardEQ]

I'm having a hard time comprehending this. TMO, but offering help.

Did you mean to insert the conjunction you used? Or did you mean to omit the conjunction and say the incomplete sentence fragment:

TMO, offering help.

Because, for all intents and purposes, the insertion of "but" actually adds a flavor of the complimentary nature, not the opposite, which is what I assume you originally meant.

Xaxian