?

[Brynnag]

http://www.redguides.com/forums/showthread.php/28653-WTS-p99-blue-60-epic-mage-with-60-epic-rogue-VP-gear

VP gear = TMO>?

[Susvain2]

confirmed tiggles selling his toons

[Champion_Standing]

confirmed tiggles selling his toons

[Kingore]

I can confirm that QF is the only person on this server with a mage and rogue.

[Tiggles]

Jokes on them my mage has VP loot too, and they forgot the Epic paladin with VP loot as well.

[Tiggles]

Oh and QF is worth more than $500 by reputation alone.

[Bruno]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/24f16b6ce04da379a9b9bd00343082c4/tumblr_n54avcTLZp1s5e5bko1_500.gif

[indiscriminate_hater]

tiggles waking up extra early to put the spin on his cash out. keeping paladin as insurance

[Rattle Squirrell]

I had no idea this really went on.....do people really pay upwards of 500 or more for a character?

[Nikon]

Aren't we due for another mass RMT banning?

[Rhambuk]

I would guess people would pay more depending on the character.

Im guessing a guised ranger would fetch at least 750 even if it had no remarkable gear, give him epics and vp youd find people that would pay over a thousand easy

[Tiggles]

Aren't we due for another mass RMT banning?

Yeah need less BDA running around.

[Tiggles]

I would guess people would pay more depending on the character.

Im guessing a guised ranger would fetch at least 750 even if it had no remarkable gear, give him epics and vp youd find people that would pay over a thousand easy

I bet if they removed Chardoc AE prices would go over 2k for VP geared characters.

[Bruno]

I had no idea this really went on.....do people really pay upwards of 500 or more for a character?

If you think about it $500 is nothing if you have a real job. That's like a day and a half at work compared to the amount of time spent on all of that shit lol.

[Rattle Squirrell]

If you think about it $500 is nothing if you have a real job. That's like a day and a half at work compared to the amount of time spent on all of that shit lol.

I'm not debating that 500 dollars is a ridiculous ammount of money. I'm just thinking it seems ridiculous to spend for a video game character......

I guess I just don't have the priority for it. I'm sure some do.

[Bruno]

This shits been going on for over a decade now in every mmo. Most people are pretty used to it by now I would say.

[Brynnag]

I made a thread

[Whirled]

I made a thread

Tailoring (2)

[Ravager]

I'm not debating that 500 dollars is a ridiculous ammount of money. I'm just thinking it seems ridiculous to spend for a video game character......

Seems like a waste of money when they inevitably get banned, unless they're being used to generate more RMT. Either way, RMT is dumb. Would be about as much fun as paying someone $500 to play the rest of their 5 under par round on the 18th hole.

[Swish]

I'm not debating that 500 dollars is a ridiculous ammount of money. I'm just thinking it seems ridiculous to spend for a video game character......

I guess I just don't have the priority for it. I'm sure some do.

You could feed a starving African kid for 1000 days on that.

[Swish]

The immersion levels tho...

[Glenzig]

You could feed a starving African kid for 1000 days on that.

They're non-factors though. We need more pixels.

[Swish]

Maybe you could pay an African kid to plat farm and TunnelQuest for you? Then everyone wins ;)

[Glenzig]

Maybe you could pay an African kid to plat farm and TunnelQuest for you? Then everyone wins ;)

But the only currency I have is plat.

[Rattle Squirrell]

But the only currency I have is plat.

That would be a great way to crush a kids dreams......offer them 5,000!

Then it shows up as an I.O.U plat card.

lol!

[Cecily]

ITT: Bunch of IRL casuals wishing they 500 bucks to buy his sweet account.

[Rattle Squirrell]

ITT: Bunch of IRL casuals wishing they 500 bucks to buy his sweet account.

I would find it extremely difficult to spend money on a character. I'd rather go get siomething else. Or beer.

[Glenzig]

ITT: Bunch of IRL casuals wishing they 500 bucks to buy his sweet account.

But I thought real life casuals played eq?

[Glenzig]

I would find it extremely difficult to spend money on a character. I'd rather go get siomething else. Or beer.

$500 in beer. Yes please.

[Whirled]

$500 in beer. Yes please.

ITT: several players RMT'ing for alcohol tolerance skill ups

[Dragonsblood1987]

You could feed a starving African kid for 1000 days on that.

or you could quit throwing money at a losing battle and let nature kill them off like its been trying to do for so long.

[Rattle Squirrell]

or you could quit throwing money at a losing battle and let nature kill them off like its been trying to do for so long.

No Obama-Phone for you lol

[Dragonsblood1987]

No Obama-Phone for you lol

wat?



seriously though. species go extinct all the time. if africans are 1) too stupid to realize that nothing is going to grow in a wasteland and 2) cant get their shit together long enough to stop massacring and raping each other, then its their own fault. why waste all that money? its like keeping a braindead patient on life support for decades. there are starving kids in 1st world countries, why not solve that problem before squandering money on food trucks that the africans with guns are just going to steal anyway?

[Tiggles]

wat?



seriously though. species go extinct all the time. if africans are 1) too stupid to realize that nothing is going to grow in a wasteland and 2) cant get their shit together long enough to stop massacring and raping each other, then its their own fault. why waste all that money? its like keeping a braindead patient on life support for decades. there are starving kids in 1st world countries, why not solve that problem before squandering money on food trucks that the africans with guns are just going to steal anyway?

It's our duty as white people to uplift and support the less fortunate. It looks like you're a neckbeard and a racist, an unsurprising combination. Get of the internet son.

[Dragonsblood1987]

It's our duty as white people to uplift and support the less fortunate. It looks like you're a neckbeard and a racist, an unsurprising combination. Get of the internet son.

Nature isnt racist, sweetheart, and neither am i. im just willing to acknowledge facts that certain people label as racist so they dont have to accept them. if pandas die out because they wont fuck, is it racist?



there are no duties associated with any race, racist.



also, you remind me of that jaybone guy.

[Champion_Standing]

militants and warlords = nature amirite

[Glenzig]

wat?



seriously though. species go extinct all the time. if africans are 1) too stupid to realize that nothing is going to grow in a wasteland and 2) cant get their shit together long enough to stop massacring and raping each other, then its their own fault. why waste all that money? its like keeping a braindead patient on life support for decades. there are starving kids in 1st world countries, why not solve that problem before squandering money on food trucks that the africans with guns are just going to steal anyway?

Um. Not sure if you're aware of this or not, but, Africans aren't a different species. They're also humans, just like you and I.

[Sckrilla]

Does any of what this nerd says surprise y'all? He has an avatar of Varg Vikernes for Pete's sake!

[Tiggles]

Does any of what this nerd says surprise y'all? He has an avatar of Varg Vikernes for Pete's sake!

ohh that's who it is...

Makes sense

[Glenzig]

"According to Goodrick-Clarke, "while in jail, Vikernes began to formulate his nationalist heathen ideology using material from Norse mythology combined with racism and occult National Socialism."

This and he has a reference to Nietzche in his sig. He is most assuredly a racist. Otherwise he wouldn't want to be associated with blatant racists.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Um. Not sure if you're aware of this or not, but, Africans aren't a different species. They're also humans, just like you and I.

Theres one of those things that people are unwilling to acknowledge, because someone branded it as racist.


Its basically the difference between cro-mags and neanderthals. they were pretty damn close, but different species. they were able to produce fertile offspring together, which isnt typically things of differing species are able to do, if fetilization is even possible. im not saying anyone is better, or that anyone should be treated a certain way ect. but there are enough genetic and physiological differences to constitute different species within a genus.


Now.. it would have been racist (and pretty stupid) to say africa shouldnt receive foreign aid because theyre black. what i said was, if they cant get their shit together long enough to survive, its their problem. until a country is a fucking utopia, it shouldnt be worrying about trying to do CPR on an entire continent, wasting billions of dollars in the process. everywhere else on earth, people started to advance in every way. cities were constructed, technological advances were being made, sciences were being refined, medicine was growing beyond chewing on willow bark. why is the better part of africa nearly 10,000 years behind, and why is it expected of everyone else to drag them up to the front? and why is it considered racist to question that?



Tiggles, youre all about competition and not holding anyone's hand. something something forged your empire from the ground up. only non factors cant get spawns. the rotation is welfare and so on. so whats different here? you'd be one of the first people i'd expect to agree with the idea that people in africa need to put on their big boy pants and start working together to build a society.

[TrendyDru]

your beard is bullshit and your sweater makes you look like a 60 year old Lance Bass.

[Dragonsblood1987]

lol

[Glenzig]

Theres one of those things that people are unwilling to acknowledge, because someone branded it as racist.


Its basically the difference between cro-mags and neanderthals. they were pretty damn close, but different species. they were able to produce fertile offspring together, which isnt typically things of differing species are able to do, if fetilization is even possible. im not saying anyone is better, or that anyone should be treated a certain way ect. but there are enough genetic and physiological differences to constitute different species within a genus.


Now.. it would have been racist (and pretty stupid) to say africa shouldnt receive foreign aid because theyre black. what i said was, if they cant get their shit together long enough to survive, its their problem. until a country is a fucking utopia, it shouldnt be worrying about trying to do CPR on an entire continent, wasting billions of dollars in the process. everywhere else on earth, people started to advance in every way. cities were constructed, technological advances were being made, sciences were being refined, medicine was growing beyond chewing on willow bark. why is the better part of africa nearly 10,000 years behind, and why is it expected of everyone else to drag them up to the front? and why is it considered racist to question that?



Tiggles, youre all about competition and not holding anyone's hand. something something forged your empire from the ground up. only non factors cant get spawns. the rotation is welfare and so on. so whats different here? you'd be one of the first people i'd expect to agree with the idea that people in africa need to put on their big boy pants and start working together to build a society.

All theories espoused by racists. Nice job reinforcing your racism. Humans are humans. To view any human as less is absolutely ignorant and bigoted.

[iruinedyourday]

I would guess people would pay more depending on the character.

Im guessing a guised ranger would fetch at least 750 even if it had no remarkable gear, give him epics and vp youd find people that would pay over a thousand easy

I would trade someones kid that I kidnapped to have a guised ranger.

[zanderklocke]

Theres one of those things that people are unwilling to acknowledge, because someone branded it as racist.


Its basically the difference between cro-mags and neanderthals. they were pretty damn close, but different species. they were able to produce fertile offspring together, which isnt typically things of differing species are able to do, if fetilization is even possible. im not saying anyone is better, or that anyone should be treated a certain way ect. but there are enough genetic and physiological differences to constitute different species within a genus.


People actually still believe that different races are somehow scientifically different?

[Glenzig]

People actually still believe that different races are somehow scientifically different?

Yeah they're called racists.

[iruinedyourday]

People actually still believe that different races are somehow scientifically different?

do not try to get down onto this guys level zander... opening up a conversation with him is like

http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/wp-content/uploads/blob-movie-poster-1988.jpg

[Dragonsblood1987]

To view any human as less is absolutely ignorant and bigoted.

But i dont, i just think that everyone should pull their own weight or be subjected to natural selection. to ignore scientific differences though is willfully ignorant.

You DO realize that by analyzing a blood sample, or by examining a skeleton, you can discern someones race, gender and approximate age right?

[Dragonsblood1987]

Actually, heres something to read supporting what ive said:
http://www.amren.com/news/2008/02/race_and_physic_1/


Facts arent racist, guys. youre all just being ignorant.

[Tasslehofp99]

People actually still believe that different races are somehow scientifically different?

I believe Obama referenced the difference between races in his inaugural speech. I think he said something to the effect that we are "Different, but equal."

Don't crucify me if I'm not accurate, but I'm pretty sure that's what he said!


Obama confirmed racist then, too.

[Dragonsblood1987]

I think he said something to the effect that we are "Different, but equal."




Obama confirmed racist then, too.

i think whats more racist is assuming anything to do with black people is by default racist. those public schools sure did do a good job brainwashing all these shamed nerds.




(i heard glenzig was responsible for slavery in the US)

[Juryiel]

People actually still believe that different races are somehow scientifically different?

Actually, heres something to read supporting what ive said:
http://www.amren.com/news/2008/02/race_and_physic_1/


Facts arent racist, guys. youre all just being ignorant.



People of the same race, or even family are "scientifically" different. How different is a matter of degree. I'm sure if you take means of a bunch of different gene expression amounts and associated phenotypes you'll get differences in any non-randomly selected population, not limited to but also including race. Some are even obvious, e.g. blue eye color.

The question is whether someone is different enough to be a different species. In MOST cases different species are just defined by whether they can reproduce and produce fertile offspring. But like anything in biology that definition is not so clean. In fact I remember some organisms that are technically biologically capable of producing fertile offspring, but because they are behaviorally active at different times, they never meet to reproduce with each other, and are considered different species as a result (by some? all? I forget.). I'm sure there are examples of the reverse also, where two organisms that can produce fertile offspring and do meet to reproduce are considered different species for one reason or another.

With all that said, it's a safe bet that anyone using such insignificant technicalities due to biology not neatly fitting into rigid human concepts to try and draw some qualitative difference between different groups of humans is probably racist. "Species" is a classification for scientific purposes, and all human races fit very squarely in the 'default' definition of being in the same species. In addition scientists are somehow able to get by without needing a technicality exception like the example I gave above to reclassify human races as different species, and still conduct their research. That means that if you can't, it's because you want there to be huge differences to justify your racism.

[Dragonsblood1987]

People of the same race, or even family are "scientifically" different. How different is a matter of degree. I'm sure if you take means of a bunch of different gene expression amounts and associated phenotypes you'll get differences in any non-randomly selected population, not limited to but also including race. Some are even obvious, e.g. blue eye color.

The question is whether someone is different enough to be a different species. In MOST cases different species are just defined by whether they can reproduce and produce fertile offspring. But like anything in biology that definition is not so clean. In fact I remember some organisms that are technically biologically capable of producing fertile offspring, but because they are behaviorally active at different times, they never meet to reproduce with each other, and are considered different species as a result (by some? all? I forget.). I'm sure there are examples of the reverse also, where two organisms that can produce fertile offspring and do meet to reproduce are considered different species for one reason or another.

With all that said, it's a safe bet that anyone using such insignificant technicalities due to biology not neatly fitting into rigid human concepts to try and draw some qualitative difference between different groups of humans is probably racist. "Species" is a classification for scientific purposes, and all human races fit very squarely in the 'default' definition of being in the same species. In addition scientists are somehow able to get by without needing a technicality exception like the example I gave above to reclassify human races as different species, and still conduct their research. That means that if you can't, it's because you want there to be huge differences to justify your racism.



Im still waiting for someone to actually show me where i said anything racist. youre all just regurgitating politically correct, scientifically wrong rhetoric that youve had pounded into your brains from the time you were learning to read. its an absolute shame that youre so backwards in your beliefs, and so insecure and sensitive about obvious, proven differences that you'd rather just parrot "racism" in stead of objectively looking at the proof. why are you so afraid of facts?

[jarshale]

Huh. I never realized how much RMT actually goes on here. Clearly bans don't really help.

[Brynnag]

You are all shitting up my thread.

[iruinedyourday]

yea was gona say the OP forgot to put "how fucking horrible can we make this thread" before the "?" in the original title.

[Dragonsblood1987]

You are all shitting up my thread.







http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/09/racist1.gif

[Glenzig]

Im still waiting for someone to actually show me where i said anything racist. youre all just regurgitating politically correct, scientifically wrong rhetoric that youve had pounded into your brains from the time you were learning to read. its an absolute shame that youre so backwards in your beliefs, and so insecure and sensitive about obvious, proven differences that you'd rather just parrot "racism" in stead of objectively looking at the proof. why are you so afraid of facts?

No one said there aren't differences between races. What you were trying to say is that somehow anyone on the African continent, mostly inhabited by black people, are considered different species. That is actually racist to think of a human of a different skin color/culture/nationality as a separate species. How else could it be defined. Its far from a fact. Genetic traits don't constitute separation of species in humans any more than they do in animals. A basset hound is just as much of a dog as a German shepherd. They aren't different species.
You can go right ahead thinking that you have some moral or scientific justification for your position. But all it actually amounts to is racism the same as any other racism throughout history. Viewing humans you don't like as separate and inferior from the humans you do like is racism.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Viewing humans you don't like as separate and inferior from the humans you do like is racism.

I've stated multiple times that I don't think anyone is inferior because of ethnic background, and I certainly don't dislike anyone because of their ethnicity. You're so caught up on wanting to think that facts that contradict the politically correct bullshit you've been taught are racist, you can't seem to comprehend what I've said. I guess you're being racist and assuming that Africa is going to shit because most of the people there are black. Don't be racist.

[Glenzig]

Theres one of those things that people are unwilling to acknowledge, because someone branded it as racist.


Its basically the difference between cro-mags and neanderthals. they were pretty damn close, but different species. they were able to produce fertile offspring together, which isnt typically things of differing species are able to do, if fetilization is even possible. im not saying anyone is better, or that anyone should be treated a certain way ect. but there are enough genetic and physiological differences to constitute different species within a genus.

If you can't see what is racist about that, then there isn't much that can be said. You're not willing to use common sense.

[Dragonsblood1987]

If you can't see what is racist about that, then there isn't much that can be said. You're not willing to use common sense.

Please, quote me saying that I don't like someone, think they're inferior, or feel they should be treated differently because of race. Because that's racism. If Africa were full of Asians or white people starving to death in mud huts I'd still be opposed to sending aid until the county sending it was devoid of poverty. It isn't racist simply because there happen to be black people there lol. I bet you're one of those retards that thought anyone who didn't vote for Obama was clearly a racist.

[Glenzig]

Please, quote me saying that I don't like someone, think they're inferior, or feel they should be treated differently because of race. Because that's racism. If Africa were full of Asians or white people starving to death in mud huts I'd still be opposed to sending aid until the county sending it was devoid of poverty. It isn't racist simply because there happen to be black people there lol. I bet you're one of those retards that thought anyone who didn't vote for Obama was clearly a racist.

I don't vote.

[Dragonsblood1987]

I don't vote.

Dat sidestep

[Pokesan]

what the fuck is wrong with you go back to stormfront you jackass

[myriverse]

Theres one of those things that people are unwilling to acknowledge, because someone branded it as racist.


Its basically the difference between cro-mags and neanderthals. they were pretty damn close, but different species. they were able to produce fertile offspring together, which isnt typically things of differing species are able to do, if fetilization is even possible. im not saying anyone is better, or that anyone should be treated a certain way ect. but there are enough genetic and physiological differences to constitute different species within a genus.
The genetic distance between "races" is many times less than the distance between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons. The differences between the "races" are nearly insignificant. To suggest otherwise is very racist.

[Tiggles]

well looks like "dragonsblood1996" is done here, What a pathetic piece of shit.

[Archalen]

Guys, guys, guys. Dragonblood isn't racist; he's just really fucking stupid.

[fishingme]

I have to agree with dragonbloods point where we should be focusing the billions we spend over seas on our own nation to help eliminate poverty. Fact of the matter is we do it for the oil in Africa, not just for the oil but for a shit load of oil.

[Dragonsblood1987]

The genetic distance between "races" is many times less than the distance between Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons. The differences between the "races" are nearly insignificant. To suggest otherwise is very racist.

to suggest that different means inferior is very racist.

[Glenzig]

to suggest that different means inferior is very racist.

Pretty much what we have been trying to explain to you.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Pretty much what we have been trying to explain to you.

show me literally anywhere that i said it meant inferior lol

[Cistern]

If you think about it $500 is nothing if you have a real job. That's like a day and a half at work compared to the amount of time spent on all of that shit lol.

This shits been going on for over a decade now in every mmo. Most people are pretty used to it by now I would say.

Bruno confirmed RMTer, can it be more obvious? top lel

[Bruno]

Bruno confirmed RMTer, can it be more obvious? top lel

I wouldn't use my hard earned money to pay your mom's rent. Good try though.

[Neno]

top lel

Scaphism, also known as the boats, was an ancient Persian method of execution designed to inflict torturous death that was described by the Persians' archenemies, the Greeks. The name comes from the Greek σκάφη, skáphe, meaning "anything scooped (or hollowed) out".

The intended victim was stripped naked and then firmly fastened within the interior space of two narrow rowing boats (or hollowed-out tree trunks) joined together one on top of the other with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing a severe bowel movement and diarrhea, and more honey would be poured on him to attract insects, with special attention devoted to the eyes, ears, mouth, genitals, and anus. In some cases, the executioner would mix milk and honey and pour that mixture all over the victim. He would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects which would eat and breed within his exposed flesh, which—pursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insects—became increasingly gangrenous. The individual would be lying there naked, covered from head to toe in milk, honey, and their own feces. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that fatal dehydration or starvation did not occur. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.

[Cistern]

Scaphism, also known as the boats, was an ancient Persian method of execution designed to inflict torturous death that was described by the Persians' archenemies, the Greeks. The name comes from the Greek σκάφη, skáphe, meaning "anything scooped (or hollowed) out".

The intended victim was stripped naked and then firmly fastened within the interior space of two narrow rowing boats (or hollowed-out tree trunks) joined together one on top of the other with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing a severe bowel movement and diarrhea, and more honey would be poured on him to attract insects, with special attention devoted to the eyes, ears, mouth, genitals, and anus. In some cases, the executioner would mix milk and honey and pour that mixture all over the victim. He would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects which would eat and breed within his exposed flesh, which—pursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insects—became increasingly gangrenous. The individual would be lying there naked, covered from head to toe in milk, honey, and their own feces. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that fatal dehydration or starvation did not occur. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.

http://i.imgur.com/P0fPzlK.jpg?1?6120

[Dragonsblood1987]

Pretty much what we have been trying to explain to you.

cmon man, ive given you several chances to prove your point. it seems like youre believing what you want to believe, despite the actual evidence of what ive said (youre probably a filthy fucking bible thumper, too, arent you?). i kinda feel like this is your side of the argument:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pquYAEfbBFM

[Juryiel]

Im still waiting for someone to actually show me where i said anything racist. youre all just regurgitating politically correct, scientifically wrong rhetoric that youve had pounded into your brains from the time you were learning to read. its an absolute shame that youre so backwards in your beliefs, and so insecure and sensitive about obvious, proven differences that you'd rather just parrot "racism" in stead of objectively looking at the proof. why are you so afraid of facts?

Are you sure that's what's going on here? Are you sure that what's going on here isn't instead that you implied that people of Africa are a different species and then tried to use a technicality of an example (Cromags & Neanderthals can reproduce!) that doesn't actually apply in the context of different modern human races for reasons explained to you (even though Neanderthals & Cromags could theoretically reproduce, they rarely did, and genetic differences were rather large*), which fit well within the default scientific definition of 'species', to defend your claims on 'scientific' grounds which, instead of being based on actual science, are instead supported by your provided link to someone who says gems like "I want my grandchildren to look like my grandparents. I don't want them to look like Anwar Sadat or Fu Manchu or Whoopi Goldberg"** ?




*

Following the most stringent current standards for validation of ancient DNA sequences, we typed the mtDNA hypervariable region I of two anatomically modern Homo sapiens sapiens individuals of the Cro-Magnon type dated at about 23 and 25 thousand years ago. Here we show that the mtDNAs of these individuals fall well within the range of variation of today's humans, but differ sharply from the available sequences of the chronologically closer Neandertals. This discontinuity is difficult to reconcile with the hypothesis that both Neandertals and early anatomically modern humans contributed to the current European gene pool.
[...]
These results are at odds with the view whereby Neandertals were genetically related with the anatomically modern ancestors of current Europeans or contributed to the present day human gene pool. Although only six HVRI sequences of ancient [anatomically modern humans] and four sequences of Neandertals are available to date, the sharp differentiation among them represents a problem for any model regarding the transition from archaic to modern humans as a process taking place within a single evolving human lineage.

**
Wikipedia quote, too lazy to figure out any relevant context :P

[Dragonsblood1987]

(Cromags & Neanderthals can reproduce!) that doesn't actually apply in the context of different modern human races for reasons explained to you (even though Neanderthals & Cromags could theoretically reproduce, they rarely did?

actually its believed that they reproduced so frequently, that neanderthals were essentially bred out of existence. they were genetically different, yes, but their brain size, intelligence, behavior (like hunting, burying their dead, making tools ect), were very similar. keep in mind that when it comes to genetics, even a fraction of a percent is a substantial difference. we're something like 96% genetically identical to chips.



What im asking though, is for glenzig, with his glazed-eyed accusations to cite me once saying that despite the genetic differences between races anyone is inferior, superior, should be treated differently, or disliked because of them. which obviously he cant because i never said anything of the sort. acknowledging differences isnt racist in any way, shape, or form. using those differences as grounds for disliking or treating someone differently however is.

[Dragonsblood1987]

oh, forgot to add this. to elaborate a bit on how commonly its believed the two species mated, literally every human in existence has some level of neanderthal DNA. in fact, certain diseases like type 2 diabetes, lupus, and crohns are associated with the vestigial neanderthal DNA that we all possess. the % of neanderthal DNA varies from individual to individual, but its consistently there in some form. its influence varies depending on the % present and the particular structure of the body (skin typically having the most, while reproductive organs have the least. sometimes none at all).

[Rhambuk]

filthy neanders! breeding with our women and takin our jerbs!

[Juryiel]

actually its believed that they reproduced so frequently, that neanderthals were essentially bred out of existence. they were genetically different, yes, but their brain size, intelligence, behavior (like hunting, burying their dead, making tools ect), were very similar. keep in mind that when it comes to genetics, even a fraction of a percent is a substantial difference. we're something like 96% genetically identical to chips.



Believed by you? Common myth? The Wikipedia page? I just skimmed over several research papers in quality journals (including the one I cited, "This discontinuity is difficult to reconcile with the hypothesis that both Neandertals and early anatomically modern humans contributed to the current European gene pool") claiming the contrary. One of them claimed something like less than 200 occurrences estimated. I'm not an expert in the field or whatever, but it seems far from some settled fact. That's not to say that others don't have other opinions (that maybe there was more interbreeding) but the 'interbreeding to extinction' hypothesis never shows up in anything recent. But note that MOST studies that come up in any respectable publication estimate a fairly low successful interbreeding rate between the two species.

The article I cited is from PNAS, a rather respectable academic journal. Here's another from PLoS Biology, again very respectable.

The process by which the Neanderthals were replaced by modern humans between 42,000 and 30,000 before present is still intriguing. Although no Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) lineage is found to date among several thousands of Europeans and in seven early modern Europeans, interbreeding rates as high as 25% could not be excluded between the two subspecies. In this study, we introduce a realistic model of the range expansion of early modern humans into Europe, and of their competition and potential admixture with local Neanderthals. Under this scenario, which explicitly models the dynamics of Neanderthals' replacement, we estimate that maximum interbreeding rates between the two populations should have been smaller than 0.1%. We indeed show that the absence of Neanderthal mtDNA sequences in Europe is compatible with at most 120 admixture events between the two populations despite a likely cohabitation time of more than 12,000 y. This extremely low number strongly suggests an almost complete sterility between Neanderthal females and modern human males, implying that the two populations were probably distinct biological species.

And another by the same author in PNAS

Recent studies have revealed that 2–3% of the genome of non-Africans might come from Neanderthals, suggesting a more complex scenario of modern human evolution than previously anticipated. In this paper, we use a model of admixture during a spatial expansion to study the hybridization of Neanderthals with modern humans during their spread out of Africa. We find that observed low levels of Neanderthal ancestry in Eurasians are compatible with a very low rate of interbreeding (<2%), potentially attributable to a very strong avoidance of interspecific matings, a low fitness of hybrids, or both. These results suggesting the presence of very effective barriers to gene flow between the two species are robust to uncertainties about the exact demography of the Paleolithic populations, and they are also found to be compatible with the observed lack of mtDNA introgression. Our model additionally suggests that similarly low levels of introgression in Europe and Asia may result from distinct admixture events having occurred beyond the Middle East, after the split of Europeans and Asians. This hypothesis could be tested because it predicts that different components of Neanderthal ancestry should be present in Europeans and in Asians.

[thieros]

i came here for drama, not dissertations

[Eunomia]

If you think about it $500 is nothing

You really do need to think about it as "nothing"...because that is what you will have after the account is banned :D

[|3igHurb]

you guys need to practice being more concise with ur points like me.

[nivikk]

Fabben and Gadgets good match, get thread back on track

[Mezzmur]

Fabben and Gadgets good match, get thread back on track

RIP Fabben. Why did Ereni have to drive you off the server?

[nivikk]

How many mage/rogue combos are there that are VP keyed and geared? both of these logged in today after months of absence

[Nikon]

Redguides has to be an RMT hunter's wet dream.

[Brynnag]

How many mage/rogue combos are there that are VP keyed and geared? both of these logged in today after months of absence

Lets get this train back on the rails!

[Bruno]

How many mage/rogue combos are there that are VP keyed and geared? both of these logged in today after months of absence

I don't get who would be stupid enough to buy them, especially after this thread, unless they just didn't see it. Name of toons so we can monitor RMT ban?

[Juryiel]

I don't get who would be stupid enough to buy them, especially after this thread, unless they just didn't see it. Name of toons so we can monitor RMT ban?

I'm guessing...

Fabben and Gadgets good match, get thread back on track

[Bruno]

I'm guessing...

I missed that somehow. Thanks.

[Kekephee]

Scaphism, also known as the boats, was an ancient Persian method of execution designed to inflict torturous death that was described by the Persians' archenemies, the Greeks. The name comes from the Greek σκάφη, skáphe, meaning "anything scooped (or hollowed) out".

The intended victim was stripped naked and then firmly fastened within the interior space of two narrow rowing boats (or hollowed-out tree trunks) joined together one on top of the other with the head, hands and feet protruding. The condemned was forced to ingest milk and honey to the point of developing a severe bowel movement and diarrhea, and more honey would be poured on him to attract insects, with special attention devoted to the eyes, ears, mouth, genitals, and anus. In some cases, the executioner would mix milk and honey and pour that mixture all over the victim. He would then be left to float on a stagnant pond or be exposed to the sun. The defenseless individual's feces accumulated within the container, attracting more insects which would eat and breed within his exposed flesh, which—pursuant to interruption of the blood supply by burrowing insects—became increasingly gangrenous. The individual would be lying there naked, covered from head to toe in milk, honey, and their own feces. The feeding would be repeated each day in some cases to prolong the torture, so that fatal dehydration or starvation did not occur. Death, when it eventually occurred, was probably due to a combination of dehydration, starvation and septic shock. Delirium would typically set in after a few days.

I don't get it. The guy is strapped under one boat, inside of another? What's the purpose of the boat that's on top? The one on bottom is catching all his poopies and filling up with poop bugs, as well as holding him, but what's the one on top filling up with? This makes no sense to me


I did a google image search and the results were mostly metal albums and pictures of people being sawed in half which does not seem relevant to this topic

[Tiggles]

How many mage/rogue combos are there that are VP keyed and geared? both of these logged in today after months of absence

There fake you idiot.

Someone made an account with zero feedback and listed my characters. Its literally the third time it has happened to me.

I did it to supremacy once too but he was a real RMTer

[Kekephee]

Oh, I guess the other boat encloses them so the insects collect within/fill it up rather than just sitting on top of it



You can't really treat Varg Vikernes racism the same way you treat American racism. It's different over there. I mean, yeah, they're still racist, but there's this weird thing about Scandinavian racism where it's like a purely economical kind of racism. At least, my experience with Swedish racism was that way- they still have a Nazis party, though it's not really called that anymore, but their whole thing isn't like "our genes are better" "our race is superior," it's more like "these other people who are different are SAPPING our resources/are INVADERS." It's more xenophobic than racist. Which doesn't make THAT much of a difference, but does make A difference when you consider that the guy everyone's jumping on in the thread, I don't know his name, I just call him Varg, but anyway Varg's point seems to me to be that there's genetic differences between the races that don't necessarily equate to better/worse. It's genotypes vs. phenotypes.

[Kekephee]

Or, you know, one of his points.


It seems to me that he's really taking more of a Malthusian stance here than anything- that if a group, a race, a geographical tribe, whatever, doesn't fit within an evolutionary schema and is wiped out or reduced if they don't adapt or move, that that's not racism, it's nature.


I don't agree with it with regards to the human race in the 21st century, but I think that's his point, and I don't think it's inherently racist. I also think it doesn't apply to Africa because as someone else pointed out, the factors over there are things like warlords, educational clusterfucks, and civil wars, not natural camouflage or the ability to hunt a certain prominent species found within the area.

[Kekephee]

I had a friend who went to Tanzania for a few months doing some missionary shit or something. He told me this story: It was mango season and there were like, thousands of mangoes falling out of trees all over the ground. He collected a shitload of them and had them in his house. This African dude stopped him on the street one day and was like "hey man, can you give me some money for food? I'm starving." My friend told him he didn't have any money on him, but if the guy would give him 10 minutes he'd go home and get him a bunch of mangoes. The guy got pissed off, said "I don't need any fucking mangoes, I've got a whole goddamn wheelbarrow full of them, I need FOOD." Turns out what's going on here is that "lack of food" isn't the problem over there- the problem is people aren't educated and don't understand nutrition for shit. They think "food" is this like, nutritionless corn paste that's just empty fiber. They don't realize these mangoes that are literally covering the ground are more "food" than the corn paste.


My friend also was on anti malarial meds, as you need to be when you go to Africa, but he couldn't drink when he was on them, so he stopped taking them. Given a choice between sobriety and malaria, he chose malaria. Then he got malaria, or became a carrier or some weird shit.

[Pokesan]

Kekephee also a big dumb racist

go fuck yourself

[nivikk]

There fake you idiot.

Someone made an account with zero feedback and listed my characters. Its literally the third time it has happened to me.

I did it to supremacy once too but he was a real RMTer

cant see anyone listed YOUR characters, just says sold.

[Kekephee]

SWASTIKAS AND KLAN ROBES
SEXIST RACIST HOMOPHOBES
ARYAN NATIONS AND HAMMERSKINS
YOU CAN WEAR MY NUTS ON YOUR NAZI CHINS
I LOVE A MAN IN UNIFOOOOOOOOOOORM

[Daldolma]

maybe the worst triple post in internet history

[Pokesan]

people literally arguing social darwinism in this thread

i really hate to say this, but red is less offensive

[Kekephee]

people literally arguing social darwinism in this thread

i really hate to say this, but red is less offensive

It's really just one person. I said I disagree with him. I was just explaining what his point was because people seemed to be missing it. That doesn't mean I think he's right.

[Pokesan]

naw you are literally defending a person saying blacks aren't homo sapiens

in other words, it is also you

[Kekephee]

You're the one defending him

[Pokesan]

what

[Kekephee]

See

[Dragonsblood1987]

Lol bringin muthafuckas together

[Dragonsblood1987]

Or, you know, one of his points.


It seems to me that he's really taking more of a Malthusian stance here than anything- that if a group, a race, a geographical tribe, whatever, doesn't fit within an evolutionary schema and is wiped out or reduced if they don't adapt or move, that that's not racism, it's nature.


I don't agree with it with regards to the human race in the 21st century, but I think that's his point, and I don't think it's inherently racist. I also think it doesn't apply to Africa because as someone else pointed out, the factors over there are things like warlords, educational clusterfucks, and civil wars, not natural camouflage or the ability to hunt a certain prominent species found within the area.

Actually i think the same thing can be applied to modern times. The circumstances and environment change, but it's still essentially survival. Millions of years ago it was finding food, avoiding predators, and finding a mate. We still have to find food, a mate, avoid predators ect, the circumstances of each are just different now. On a species wide scale, out technological and scientific advances are factored in to the whole survival of the fittest equation. If a species can't create a cure for the disease that would otherwise wipe them out, the species dies. If it can't figure out how to achieve interstellar travel to colonize other planets once it's home planet is stripped or in danger of an asteroid or some shit, the species dies. Going back about 10,000 years, like what we're dealing with in areas that are still primarily tribal (and losing that Darwinian fight), if the species can't figure out how to not kill each other, grow food, or relocate so that these things are possible, the species dies. No one else should be held responsible for fucking with the natural order of things and being the sole reason for another's survival unless it is a symbiotic relationship. I'd say that death would be the more compassionate option anyway. As much money as everyone is throwing at 3rd world countries, they aren't really helping as much as prolonging torture and delaying the inevitable. And like I said. Until a country is out of debt and has done away with its own poverty, it shouldn't be worrying about anyone else.

[Brynnag]

are you all still talking about this bullshit?

[Tiggles]

are you all still talking about this bullshit?

Sorry your thread got derailed friend.

[iruinedyourday]

Do any of you ever check your email in the morning and get to the realization that maybe you post on like, a few too many threads on p99? :/

[Lictor]

That feature was the first thing I disabled, annoying as hell

[Whirled]

That feature was the first thing I disabled, annoying as hell

^ +1 Forum Quester. Would group with.

[Dragonsblood1987]

are you all still talking about this bullshit?

Im keeping your shit post alive, son.

[Cecily]

That feature was the first thing I disabled, annoying as hell

So pissed at you. Yes it was annoying, but not annoying enough to go down to 10 posts per page from 20. You suck.

[iruinedyourday]

teh emailz mak me fell luvd :(