Violation of Play Nice Policy GM plz read.

[Tiggles]

It has come to my attention, That multiple guilds are teaming up together to assist each other in killing mobs that Lord Bob contests.

This is a blatant attempt to kill a growing guild and drive players off the server. In the past the staff has gauged punishments against guilds to prevent them from being discouraged and quitting.This rule should also apply to player run guilds attempting to drive competing guilds off the server.

This cabal of Europa, BDA, Cabal and Taken teaming up to kill Talendor with 80 players to stop Lord Bob from getting a pull is not only against the server rules it is against the play nice policy of the server.

This is strong arm mafia tactics to have multiple guilds following you around disrupting your raid attempts because you did not join into their racket. I know this is in RNF but Sirken and Deru please look into this issue and amend the rules that prevent multi-guild raiding just deny one guild the chance to grow and flourish.

Lord Bob is attempting to do the right thing by the raid rules by gearing up to eventually join Class C like the GMS have originally planned but are being stomped out by the Cabal of Raid Rotations.

[Tiggles]

Note:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156376

Taunting posts by the 4 guild coalition that teamed up to grief Lord Bob

[Piercesyu]

Doljo got a pull btw ..

[Dany]

Yup, even have screenshot of someone from a locked up guild going for FTE. Not going to name anyone because I want to stay out of drama... this isn't nice at all. Grats on your kill, all of you. Well deserved, you alllllll worked so hard. EQ classic at its best. /cough

[Wildino]

You still have tears after all those years ?

[zanderklocke]

I don't really care either way if guilds are allowed or not allowed to do this, but doesn't it seem a little ironic that you are complaining about a guild being forced off the server by players forming alliances when your guild used to brag about forcing IB off the server for out "competing" them?

[Tiggles]

Yup, even have screenshot of someone from a locked up guild going for FTE. Not going to name anyone because I want to stay out of drama... this isn't nice at all. Grats on your kill, all of you. Well deserved, you alllllll worked so hard. EQ classic at its best. /cough

Please PM the Screenshots to Hyjal or myself. It is illegal for multiple guilds to team up to kill locked out mobs.

They will continue to try and greif Lord bob off the server until the GMs come in and dole out punishment.

I would suggest a forfeiture of the next raid mob for each guild that participated on this Talendor kill and have them given to Lord bob.

[Wildino]

Lol, insta moved to RnF

Thanks to exist, Tiggles

[zanderklocke]

I don't really care either way if guilds are allowed or not allowed to do this, but doesn't it seem a little ironic that you are complaining about a guild being forced off the server by players forming alliances when your guild used to brag about forcing IB off the server by (grammar correction) out "competing" them?

[bktroost]

This is strong arm mafia tactics to have multiple guilds following you around disrupting your raid attempts because you did not join into their racket.

Every story has 2 sides. Lord Bob have personally told me that they would find whatever mobs my guild is up for on the rotation and actively work to ensure that we would not get them.

They said that to me and I did NOT go out of my way to issue a guild wide blacklist against them. I've never done anything against them personally and they have made inflammatory comments towards me as a player and my guild on the raid scene.

If they said that to AG without provocation, I can only imagine the conversations they have had with multiple other guilds that are a bit... less restrained than us. If a guild personally wages war against 8 other guilds simultaneously can we expect them to attempt a raid mob unchallenged when they pop?

[DeruIsLove]

Shut up Tiggles

[Ambrotos]

also, for all you young aspiring guilds, no players can tell you you're not allowed to kill mobs. if your guild is not locked out, you can race any other guild to that mob. so if you feel that the dirty wizards behind the curtain are not being fair, then talk with a few other guild leaders to see if they feel the same way. maybe you're a lil crazy, or maybe others will feel the same way.

Already been ruled on. Sounds like a non issue like Lazie is today with fte tags.

[Tiggles]

I don't really care either way if guilds are allowed or not allowed to do this, but doesn't it seem a little ironic that you are complaining about a guild being forced off the server by players forming alliances when your guild used to brag about forcing IB off the server for out "competing" them?

One on One competition between two competing guilds is one thing. One large guild or multiple guilds picking on lesser guilds is not.

Strong guilds picking on small guilds is the reason the Class system was put into effect.

You are denying competition to smaller/newer guilds and have already killed GT and now trying to kill Lord bob because they didn't join your club.

[Susvain2]

rages war against your guild? lord bob is going after all class r mobs..not just your guild. it aint personal

[Tiggles]

Lol, insta moved to RnF

Thanks to exist, Tiggles

I posted this to RNF, I only post in RNF.

Continue being insignificant.

[Tiggles]

Already been ruled on. Sounds like a non issue like Lazie is today with fte tags.

Yup, even have screenshot of someone from a locked up guild going for FTE. Not going to name anyone because I want to stay out of drama... this isn't nice at all. Grats on your kill, all of you. Well deserved, you alllllll worked so hard. EQ classic at its best. /cough

[Hyjal]

Talendor engaged a character named "Drummer" and shortly after was pulled to camp. There were also taken in the zone. 2 sides of the story? What was he doing out trying to pull Talendor? Grats to Europa, Asgard, and Taken on the kill though.

[nivikk]

Guilds assist with kills when their turn is up if they dont think they will have quite enough people. Nothing different happened here except a good turn out.

[Ambrotos]

If they are from a locked out guild and tried for fte, they should be on the agro list. Easy to prove. If they aren't on agro list non issue.

Post screenshot so we can burn them at the cross if true.

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/images/uploads/villagerspo.jpg

[Hyjal]

Cromcruanch and Drummer of guild "Taken" both got FTE's on Talendor.

[Hyjal]

Not taking anything away from Asgard, Europa, and Taken though. You guys beat us to the punch.

[Ambrotos]

wtf why is my pic not working. Spent 10 seconds looking for it damn it.

[Susvain2]

If they are from a locked out guild and tried for fte, they should be on the agro list. Easy to prove. If they aren't on agro list non issue.

Post screenshot so we can burn them at the cross if true.

http://www.barking-moonbat.com/images/uploads/villagerspo.jpg

i dunno if theyre locked out. but its a fact taken had FTE, dolj zoned, few minutes goes by and dolji zones in and talendors dead. worst part was the bragging. smh

[nivikk]

post the bragging?

[zanderklocke]

I believe you have to have more than 2 people at attendance on aggro list to get locked out, hence only Asgard and Europa are locked out right now. Divinity was locked out as well from a previous kill, but any other guild could have assisted on that kill in Class R if the guild with FTE chose to allow them to do so.

Not sure how FTE works in terms of a lockout if the guild that got FTE only has 2 or less people there. They probably get to decide which guild gets kill rights. I don't know the full story, but if only 2 Taken were there, they were essentially acting as a support to Europa and Asgard and turned over their FTE to them. If Taken should be locked out, then the raid thread should be adjusted.

[Ambrotos]

Sounds like the casual scum wasn't able to attain fte agro off someone running around in a zone from a exp group/port to goto HS. Sounds like non issue.

[nivikk]

Consider this. Try getting in line with the other class R guilds and not trying to cut in on every class R mob you can, and I bet you will get kills. Maybe quicker than you are now.

[Vyal]

Europa, BDA,Taken

These 3 guilds have come together and caused me more problems over the past week I have been back then Dolj did in a year.

Personally I support anyone who stands up against them.

Can't believe I am saying this but I wanna see more FTE without logic man but actually do something good this time.....

[Susvain2]

Consider this. Try getting in line with the other class R guilds and not trying to cut in on every class R mob you can, and I bet you will get kills. Maybe quicker than you are now.

We like our way. You're so threatened because we had two decent attempts on our off hours in two nights. We even beat you to fte. We'll get kills, just because we didnt in two days of raiding doesnt mean we wont in the future. It was excellent use of your strong-arm tactics to form up to stop 20 dolji lol

[Geofizzle]

I dont want to make this into a conflict but I suppose I'll post some pertinent logs:

[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Targeted (Player): Marhault
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Stand close to and right click on the Player to consider and inspect him. Use the /toggleinspect command to enable or disable right-click inspecting.
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Targeted (NPC): Beanut's corpse
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Right click on the NPC to consider him.
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Talendor shouts 'How amusing. You foolish mortals actually think to challenge me? Very well, then, I shall enjoy searing the flesh from your bones!'
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Talendor engages Drummer!
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] You may not loot this corpse at this time.
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:56 2014] Marhault is too far away to inspect. Get closer.
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:57 2014] Marhault regards you indifferently -- looks like quite a gamble.
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:57 2014] Slickstick tells the guild, 'idunno shea but in hate whene i get charmed i drop agro and get agro its annoying .. sounds like he landed cahrm reset and didnt agro u with train somehjow'
[Tue Jul 01 16:07:58 2014] Virtuos tells the guild, 'zoning?'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:00 2014] Solrias tells you, 'when only 1 person is on aggro, he de-aggros when charmed'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:04 2014] Diabolos tells the guild, '<<< Rezzing >>> <<< Illien >>>'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:04 2014] Diabolos begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:07 2014] Solrias tells you, 'because he's no longer angry at anyone'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:07 2014] Houndstooth tells the guild, 'its safe'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:09 2014] Targeted (NPC): a chromadrac
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:09 2014] Right click on the NPC to consider it.
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:09 2014] a chromadrac scowls at you, ready to attack -- You would probably win this fight..it's not certain though.
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:11 2014] Jimsox tells the guild, 'Drummer new FTE'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:12 2014] Targeted (Player): Shea
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:12 2014] Right click on yourself to bring up your own inspect window. Use the /toggleinspect command to enable or disable right-click inspecting.
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:15 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:15 2014] ---------------------------
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:15 2014] [56 Troubadour] Drummer (Iksar) <Taken>
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:15 2014] There is 1 player in Skyfire Mountains.
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:15 2014] Youhou says out of character, 'Go go Taken !'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] ---------------------------
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] [56 Troubadour] Drummer (Iksar) <Taken>
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Cromcruach <Taken>
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] There are 2 players in Skyfire Mountains.
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:21 2014] Shimufukahale tells the guild, 'need rez on OT side of zone'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:24 2014] Hyjal tells the guild, 'REZ AND BUFF'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:29 2014] Hyjal tells the guild, 'THEY MIGHT WIPE AS WELL'

[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] ---------------------------
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Jimsox <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Roshanx <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Fetal
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Darkqueen <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Fiamma <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dreconis <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Virtuos <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Elment <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Grave Lord] Tarnish (Ogre) <Asgard> LFG
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Bisquit <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Smokeys <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Meniel <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Encrust <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Hyjal <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Pattie
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Trollateral <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Houndstooth <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Illien <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [58 Templar] Treeborn (Gnome) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Sorcerer] Reiatsu (Dark Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[56 Myrmidon] Jacobius (Dwarf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Aldred <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Sojutsu <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Deeda <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Padilla <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Adolphus <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Salthin <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [56 Luminary] Scive (Barbarian) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Shorts <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Asterid <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Warlord] Marhault (Half Elf) <Indignation>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Piercesyu <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Bogking <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Amnos <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Youhou <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Warlock] Kharizzar (Skeleton) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Ceinwen <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [59 Troubadour] Dyzzi (Wood Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Waii <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[58 Conjurer] Malleus (High Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Mogulk <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[59 Myrmidon] Tenderizer (Wood Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Makrill <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 High Priest] Emarald (High Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Leiker <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Coopy <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [59 Master] Jyslia (Human) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Warlock] Iown (Dark Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Caligula <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Grulla <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [56 Master] Reeb (Human) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[58 Conjurer] Amery (High Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Haldailsoon <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Lisset <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Warlord] Lostprophets (Half Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Karmina <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Lalenya <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Nataz <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Zindra <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Urrsa <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Rikas <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Oracle] Thundarian (Barbarian) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Lalola <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Jazhara <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Cache <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Kanaar (Skeleton) <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kraagh <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Ssaul <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Patoso <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Fabby <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Slickstick <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Cromcruach <Taken>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[55 Templar] Heally (Dwarf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Yobert <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[50 Wizard] Wizarka (Dark Elf) <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Bloodthorn <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Nabyha (Air Elemental) <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Grave Lord] Nuktari (Troll) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Jamiee
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Trabian <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] <LINKDEAD>[ANONYMOUS] Tjatte <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Darkon <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Innie <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 Hierophant] Draeko (Wood Elf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [60 High Priest] Kustt (Dwarf) <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Daasgoot <Asgard>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [57 Templar] Solve (Human) <Europa>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Jimlahey <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Diabolos <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Shea <Doljonijiarnimorinar>
[Tue Jul 01 16:11:16 2014] There are 90 players in Skyfire Mountains.'

So Taken was there, actively helping this 3 raid force. I have more FTE logs of Cromcruanch involved as well.

[nivikk]

Same raid force would have been present without you there. Asgard asked Europa for help due to possibly low numbers

[Champion_Standing]

a TMO member complaining about guilds denying others content and trying to run them off the server makes me lol.

2/5 stars, bad trolling but still laughed.

[Susvain2]

I literally crashed while taking SS of the ooc bragging. Dont say it didnt happen. Your two guilds started the trash talking in OOC. Post and pre talendor kills it existed. Thats just the annoying part..like..cmon now really

[Susvain2]

a TMO member complaining about guilds denying others content and trying to run them off the server makes me lol.

2/5 stars, bad trolling but still laughed.

two wrongs dont make a right

[nivikk]

Threatened, annoyed, whatever you want to call it. I like Class R, casual scum here. I dont care about the past 2 days. Doljonijiarnimoronar has been doing this since the first formation. I'm just saying you would get more legitimate attempts at mobs if you chilled a bit on the FTE race and took a turn.

[Troubled]

Threatened, annoyed, whatever you want to call it. I like Class R, casual scum here. I dont care about the past 2 days. Doljonijiarnimoronar has been doing this since the first formation. I'm just saying you would get more legitimate attempts at mobs if you chilled a bit on the FTE race and took a turn.

Not gonna happen. I doubt either side wants them in the rotation at this point. Let them do their thing. Eventually they will sharpen, beat guilds to kills, and hopefully be on their merry way to where they belong.

[Ele]

[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] ---------------------------
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] [56 Troubadour] Drummer (Iksar) <Taken>
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Cromcruach <Taken>
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:20 2014] There are 2 players in Skyfire Mountains.


So Taken was there, actively helping this 3 raid force. I have more FTE logs of Cromcruanch involved as well.

Wow, all 2 of them? Doesn't it take 3+ to flag the guild for lockout purposes? Just friends helping out it looks to me.

[DeruIsLove]

two wrongs dont make a right

Wasn't it Sirken who made the original suggestion for the (what is now known as class R) folks to team up if they felt a single group was encroaching on the fun of the masses?

[Geofizzle]

Wow, all 2 of them? Doesn't it take 3+ to flag the guild for lockout purposes? Just friends helping out it looks to me.

We're all friends here Ele. Doljo got outplayed fair and square here but I think tigs has somewhat of a point when 71 people team up to take down 23 players, less than half of whom are 60 who are trying for their first dragon attempt. On the other hand, things in SF were cordial this afternoon for the most part and Asgard even helped us with a couple of rezzes.

[Troubled]

This cabal of Europa, BDA, Cabal and Taken teaming up to kill Talendor with 80 players to stop Lord Bob from getting a pull is not only against the server rules it is against the play nice policy of the server.


Interested to hear about this new guild, Cabal. However, BDA has not assisted nor asked for assistance on any Dolj contested spawns. Thanks for the name drop though. No publicity is bad publicity.

[Geofizzle]

Wow, all 2 of them? Doesn't it take 3+ to flag the guild for lockout purposes? Just friends helping out it looks to me.

And also to answer that point, it to me seems with their numbers they were really hurting for those extra pullers...rofl :rolleyes:

[nivikk]

71 people didn't team up to beat 23 Dojo, 71 people showed up for dragon loot due to uncertainty of guild turn out

[Ambrotos]

[Tue Jul 01 16:07:57 2014] Slickstick tells the guild, 'idunno shea but in hate whene i get charmed i drop agro and get agro its annoying .. sounds like he landed cahrm reset and didnt agro u with train somehjow'

[Tue Jul 01 16:07:58 2014] Virtuos tells the guild, 'zoning?'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:00 2014] Solrias tells you, 'when only 1 person is on aggro, he de-aggros when charmed'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:04 2014] Diabolos tells the guild, '<<< Rezzing >>> <<< Illien >>>'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:06 2014] Hyjal tells the guild, 'my showeq didnt show when talendor would spawn think they fixed it or something. auto fire didn't work also'
[Tue Jul 01 16:08:11 2014] Jimsox tells the guild, 'Drummer new FTE'


Was just given these logs. Something seems wrong.

[Troubled]

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051108012048/uncyclopedia/images/9/97/Bomb_drop_81.gif

[sulpher01]

On a side note, has dolj gotten any loot yet?

[Geofizzle]

71 people didn't team up to beat 23 Dojo, 71 people showed up for dragon loot due to uncertainty of guild turn out

https://warosu.org/data/tg/img/0293/40/1389111215616.gif

[Geofizzle]

Was just given these logs. Something seems wrong.

Ambrotos way too bored these days. Hit me up in game on Bisch we'll do KC basement, have a glass of wine in vent together and maybe even falsify some logs late night if youre lucky :D

[nivikk]

https://warosu.org/data/tg/img/0293/40/1389111215616.gif

nice gif

[Fanguru]

On the positive side, lord Bob can brag about another solid attempt at taking down a mob on the recruitment thread.

[Susvain2]

On the positive side, lord Bob can brag about another solid attempt at taking down a mob on the recruitment thread.

how many mobs did your guild get before the rotation? luls

[JayN]

As a TMO/class R may I sell my FTE services to class c guild without getting into any trouble for my guild?

thats what this is basically sounding like, if your not eligible you may start going around FTE'ing for others?

[nivikk]

Some, not a lot. Take a hint?

[Susvain2]

I'm okay with that. so why are you mad at me?

[sulpher01]

how many mobs did your guild get before the rotation? luls

How many mobs did your guild get after the rotation?

[Artaenc]

71 people didn't team up to beat 23 Dojo, 71 people showed up for dragon loot due to uncertainty of guild turn out


yes, I setup the alliance with Europa up two days ago as a backup plan for a possible low attendance because of the window but wow 71 is crazy. good job guys.

don't forget to remind tiggly that we smoked trakanon in 10 seconds yesterday despite the fact that he keeps talking his trash about how Asgard can't kill an orc pawn and everyone should app to his guild.

[Susvain2]

0. its been one week ?? why are you all so hateful what did lord bob do to you

[nivikk]

I'm okay with that. so why are you mad at me?


Not mad at you, don't know you though I did get to see your dick pic, thanks. Probably not most of your members either. I don't like the way dojo management operates (but who cares it's just my opinion).
How many class R guilds are there? 10? We all benefited from the new class set up otherwise TMO IB and BDA would be getting most but not all of the kills like before. If you can't see that Dolj has peed in the casual scum cheerios and don't understand all the RNF and negative attitudes towards the guild, I'm sorry.

[nivikk]

0. its been one week ?? why are you all so hateful what did lord bob do to you

1 week? This has been going on for months

[Gaffin 7.0]

tldr

[Zalaerian]

Man I know how you guys feel about this







Nawp



The dukes army now recruiting Druids ( yes Druids), chanters and rogues for winter

[Dany]

0. its been one week ?? why are you all so hateful what did lord bob do to you

They're mad because they're so casual and yet want all the loot. So they form an alliance and destroy that EQ classic feel.

Then you have Dolj that piss on their alliance so they panic, they need to put even more effort at keeping an eye on the mobs cuz of Dolj.

They are probably all from WoW. Want loot with minimal efforts. That's pretty much sum it. This is not WoW, this is EQ.

[Ambrotos]

Ambrotos way too bored these days. Hit me up in game on Bisch we'll do KC basement, have a glass of wine in vent together and maybe even falsify some logs late night if youre lucky :D
I am. Only one class this week and it's for one hour. I picked up this big flask of honey meed. We may need to make a date.

[Troubled]

They're mad because they're so casual and yet want all the loot. So they form an alliance and destroy that EQ classic feel.

Then you have Dolj that piss on their alliance so they panic, they need to put even more effort at keeping an eye on the mobs cuz of Dolj.

They are probably all from WoW. Want loot with minimal efforts. That's pretty much sum it. This is not WoW, this is EQ.

Tired argument. "This is EQ." Go compete against the big boys then or drop that line.

[Dany]

Still is the truth, imo.

[Artaenc]

They're mad because they're so casual and yet want all the loot. So they form an alliance and destroy that EQ classic feel.

Then you have Dolj that piss on their alliance so they panic, they need to put even more effort at keeping an eye on the mobs cuz of Dolj.

They are probably all from WoW. Want loot with minimal efforts. That's pretty much sum it. This is not WoW, this is EQ.

everyone thinks wow is easy blah blah but in reality if you do heroic mode raids it's actually significantly harder...

[Machida]

Guilds assist with kills when their turn is up if they dont think they will have quite enough people. Nothing different happened here except a good turn out.

unless the guild is new, then class r mafia makes 30 new rules and requires you to kill mob without help. What a joke statement

[Pint]

guys class R has been assisting each other on targets for months, put that crack pipe down and stop listening to dipshits like quickfingers rofl.

[Pint]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1509539&postcount=41

holy shit two weeks in a row?? conspiracy confirmed true

[nivikk]

unless the guild is new, then class r mafia makes 30 new rules and requires you to kill mob without help. What a joke statement

Give an example? 9 R guilds other than Doljar get along nicely. Let me ask you a question, in your honest opinion, what has brought all of this attention to Bob? Did all of the class R's arbitrarily single out one new guild to pick on? Or did Bob incite this behavior from its seemingly unpopular actions?

[sulpher01]

Whats really funny is that they would have had a kill by now in the rotation.

[Dany]

Class R mafia is destroying this game tbh.

[nivikk]

Whats really funny is that they would have had a kill by now in the rotation.

and help if they needed it

[Boilon]

I would have been more than happy to let Lord Bob have attempted Talendor, they had an FTE at one point and then lost it I guess? But, if they can't kill CT with the same numbers (who is lower level, and the plane was pretty much clear at the time of their attempt) than I don't see how they can do Talendor with the same numbers.

Gratz to Asgard and Europa on Talendor, twice in 1 week!

[no chewie dont]

didnt read,
although thread title + original poster = obviously pathetic

[wifeaggro]

Is it better to start having a dynamic number of R lockouts based on the number of the guilds in Class R? "Two" may be the right number for the past. Right now we have ten class R guilds trying to compete/assist each other.

That way, it encourages the big R guilds move up if they don't want to wait for the lockout. Class R can stay casual?

[TMO so immersed]

Tiggles the real enemy is coronary heart disease. It's just a video game. May I suggest some light jogging?

[JayDee]

It is sad to see what p99 has become. Much like being institutionalized, the staff tells you where you can go and under what terms.

The prevalence of freedom is what made everquest unique and Rogaen (with all due respect) has managed to strip that element from p99 leaving it in the, for lack of a better term, fucking stupid state it is.

[Ciroco]

Yes, because the previous state of raising was just peachy.

[Ravager]

It is sad to see what p99 has become. Much like being institutionalized, the staff tells you where you can go and under what terms.

The prevalence of freedom is what made everquest unique and Rogaen (with all due respect) has managed to strip that element from p99 leaving it in the, for lack of a better term, fucking stupid state it is.

Staff isn't telling you to do shit. Fact is, they set it up so that you can play it however you want.

[Troubled]

Staff isn't telling you to do shit. Fact is, they set it up so that you can play it however you want.

You can't play how you want if what you want is for no one else to have anything.

[rafaone]

I think Doj got FTE at start point and maintained it for like 7 minutes, I was the one pulling Talendor for Europa/Asgard and ran behind the mob for like 5 minutes before Dolj monk FD'ed and I could get the FTE and pull to camp.

Don't really know why they didn't at least give a try to the mob once they got it lol.

[Estolcles]

For the record: Europa was not there on our own to take Talendor. We were requested to be there as backup for Asgard. The fact that more of us showed up than members of Asgard just shows when we're requested, we turn up in spades.

It was also brought to our attention a couple days beforehand that Lord Bob would be directly attempting to get Talendor from Asgard, so we were prepared for that as well.

Tiggles, worry about Class C, and not Class R. Thank you.

[DeruIsLove]

Wasn't it Sirken who made the original suggestion for the (what is now known as class R) folks to team up if they felt a single group was encroaching on the fun of the masses?

[radditsu]

Love how people keep forcing people to play different ways than they want to play. Put Dojo in TMO/IB tier and be done with it. They want to compete. Let them compete how it used to be. They want easy loots (by picking off weak guilds mobs). At least it would be TMO alts vs TMO and that would be hilarious.


Or yall can implement my point buy system.

[radditsu]

And for gods sakes. I could have lead <rants and flames> to an actual kill by now.

No talent pussies.

[Troxx]

Drama

[Aviann]

Is TMO crying because a larger force got a mob before a smaller one? Irony.

[radditsu]

Is TMO crying because a larger force got a mob before a smaller one? Irony.

Tiggles doesn't care one bit about that. He just wants the forums to be more interesting

[radditsu]

TMO cries when a mob dies and they do not get to rules lawyer the loot onto their alts.

Go away you. Stop being awful.

[khanable]

http://i.imgur.com/WG0ipMr.png

Just wanted to clear Cabal's good name.

[Hitpoint]

This all sounds a lot more fun than just rotating. Am I right?

[JayN]

May TMO start selling FTE to targets they are locked out of?

[Wildino]

Tiggles doesn't care one bit about that. He just wants the forums to be more interesting

Did he ever tried to quit ?

[radditsu]

Did he ever tried to quit ?

No idea what those words together mean.

[Tiggles]

Hyjal and I have gotten in contact with staff. Screenshots and other evidence have been sent.

We will see what happens soon.

[Aviann]

Crom is a good man, and your crusade on his reputation is an abomination to humanity and all things under the sun.

[Alarti0001]

As a TMO/class R may I sell my FTE services to class c guild without getting into any trouble for my guild?

thats what this is basically sounding like, if your not eligible you may start going around FTE'ing for others?

As you might know fte sales happened prior to the new raid scene. Thanks for playing, as usual your contribution is nothing more than irrelevant drivel.

[zanderklocke]

Hyjal and I have gotten in contact with staff. Screenshots and other evidence have been sent.

We will see what happens soon.

I'm confused by what you are sending screenshots/evidence of. I don't think any rules were broken by the guilds that killed Talendor?

[arsenalpow]

I'm confused by what you are sending screenshots/evidence of. I don't think any rules were broken by the guilds that killed Talendor?

never stopped him before

[Lisset]

Tiggles doesn't care one bit about that. He just wants the forums to be more interesting

DING DING DING DING

[Gaffin 7.0]

big gaff back raiding feels good

[chickmagnet]

how many trackers from each of those 3 guilds were out there? to my knowledge when IB and FE teamed up could only have 2 trackers total, if all 3 guilds had trackers, wouldn't that violate policy?

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i62.tinypic.com/24vo9zo.gif

[Boilon]

Europa never had a single tracker. Asgard did the work and we backed them up, that simple. Why would we track a mob that we weren't up for :p

[DeruIsLove]

how many trackers from each of those 3 guilds were out there? to my knowledge when IB and FE teamed up could only have 2 trackers total, if all 3 guilds had trackers, wouldn't that violate policy?

Depends on how the lot is being divided. IFAIK if a guild is assisting simply to assist, they are still acting autonomously of their own will.

[Lisset]

I love how how some have accused Taken of trying to help but conveniently edited the log they posted because one line proved them wrong:

[Tue Jul 01 15:35:12 2014] Talendor engages Cromcruach!
[Tue Jul 01 15:35:22 2014] Cromcruach says out of character, 'sorry'

Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative.

Also, the FTE mechanic isn't perfect. The following was from our Trakanon kill the other day, my pet is the Myconid priest and the faction is from Trakanon's death:

[Mon Jun 30 17:16:55 2014] Myconid priest hits Trakanon for 102 points of damage.
[Mon Jun 30 17:16:55 2014] Your faction standing with LegionofCabilis got better.
[Mon Jun 30 17:16:55 2014] Your faction standing with Trakanon could not possibly get any worse.
[Mon Jun 30 17:16:55 2014] Trakanon engages Lisset!

[chickmagnet]

I have no idea how class R works, do they just hand yall mobs? where's the competition, do you really feel like you earned something when killing if you have all day to recruit?

[Dany]

He shouldn't have been there. End of story. Stop making excuses.

[Lisset]

He shouldn't have been there. End of story. Stop making excuses.

Oh really? So a dragon being up closes the zone for anyone on lockout? That must really suck for guilds taking a boat or using the firepots when Faydedar is in window.

I suppose if a guild were locked out for Gorenaire they'd have to take a boat to get to Kunark when he's in window?

[Dany]

Come on, he knew Talendor was up. Stop your tardness.

[Daldolma]

this thread brought to you by corn syrup and the steady decline of the american economy

[Artaenc]

I have no idea how class R works, do they just hand yall mobs? where's the competition, do you really feel like you earned something when killing if you have all day to recruit?

we go up to a machine and we insert a golden coin and it drops a little doll shaped like a dragon. the next step in the process is we bring it to lake of ill omen and hydrate it then we take it to places like skyfire before it wakes up. sometimes it wakes up too early and the wrong guild gets FTE that's why they end up having to kite it for 5 minutes.

[Pint]

I have no idea how class R works, do they just hand yall mobs? where's the competition, do you really feel like you earned something when killing if you have all day to recruit?

yea they pretty much just hand them to us, in this case doljo tried to compete but unfortunately they need more levels atm.

[DeruIsLove]

decline of the american economy

Is not a thing.

Corn syrup is an abomination though.

[Lisset]

Come on, he knew Talendor was up. Stop your tardness.

Doesn't mean he intended to FTE, which was proven by his 'sorry' and the fact that he didn't kite it around or pull it to us. Why was his apology left out of the log? Because it doesn't agree with the "Taken are evil too!" narrative.

[JayN]

As you might know fte sales happened prior to the new raid scene. Thanks for playing, as usual your contribution is nothing more than irrelevant drivel.

NON-FACTOR WHO DOESNT EVEN PLAy, struggling to stay relevant

[Ikonoclastia]

yes, I setup the alliance with Europa up two days ago as a backup plan for a possible low attendance because of the window but wow 71 is crazy. good job guys.

don't forget to remind tiggly that we smoked trakanon in 10 seconds yesterday despite the fact that he keeps talking his trash about how Asgard can't kill an orc pawn and everyone should app to his guild.
This is sort of retarded. If you have a guild system and you don't have enough people on then you don't have enough people on.

Basically if you run like this, any guild can split their guild up into 2 or more guilds and make it into an alliance and will never be locked out.

This sort of seems to defeat the whole purpose of rotations.

[Nightbear]

This is sort of retarded. If you have a guild system and you don't have enough people on then you don't have enough people on.

Basically if you run like this, any guild can split their guild up into 2 or more guilds and make it into an alliance and will never be locked out.

This sort of seems to defeat the whole purpose of rotations.

?

[zanderklocke]

This is sort of retarded. If you have a guild system and you don't have enough people on then you don't have enough people on.

Basically if you run like this, any guild can split their guild up into 2 or more guilds and make it into an alliance and will never be locked out.

This sort of seems to defeat the whole purpose of rotations.

Actually it doesn't work like this. If a guild has more than 2 members at the mob, they get locked out for the next two Class R spawns.

I don't see mass waves of people creating new guilds each week so they aren't locked out on mobs.

If a guild wants to assist on a kill and have more than 2 people there, they will be locked out for the next two Class R spawns.

[zanderklocke]

Actually it doesn't work like this. If a guild has more than 2 members at the mob, they get locked out for the next two Class R spawns.

I don't see mass waves of people creating new guilds each week so they aren't locked out on mobs.

If a guild wants to assist on a kill in alliance for a mob and have more than 2 people there, they will be locked out for the next two Class R spawns.

[zanderklocke]

Whoops...so used to edit in server chat.

[Gaffin 7.0]

zanderr on a rampage!

[Troubled]

Triple post, too immersed. Welcome to class C shithead.

[zanderklocke]

zanderr on a rampage!

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110420160059/nintendo/en/images/e/e6/Rampage_%28NES%29.jpg

Nah in all seriousness though, I'm wrapping up a paper for grad school that's due at midnight. I won't allow myself to play video games or do anything else fun, but somehow I've rationalized that reading the forums in between writing paragraphs is an appropriate break from writing.

[Cecily]

Wasn't it Sirken who made the original suggestion for the (what is now known as class R) folks to team up if they felt a single group was encroaching on the fun of the masses?

Yes and now, ironically, the same groups of people are acting as a super guild (if you joint raid or otherwise raid as allies you're for all purposes the same guild) to oppress a much, much smaller guild fighting for a share of resources.

There's not enough loot to go around for a single guild killing everything. Imagine what a fraction of a fraction worth of gear coming in intervals must feel like for Class R and to have outsiders coming into the fold contesting them for even that. These little shits are coming for OUR dragons and we're going to do everything in our power to stomp them into the ground and make them quit. You're just turned into your own version of TMO, Class R. Haha, fantastic.

[Tiggles]

Yes and now, ironically, the same groups of people are acting as a super guild (if you joint raid or otherwise raid as allies you're for all purposes the same guild) to oppress a much, much smaller guild fighting for a share of resources.

There's not enough loot to go around for a single guild killing everything. Imagine what a fraction of a fraction worth of gear coming in intervals must feel like for Class R and to have outsiders coming into the fold contesting them for even that. These little shits are coming for OUR dragons and we're going to do everything in our power to stomp them into the ground and make them quit. You're just turned into your own version of TMO, Class R. Haha, fantastic.

[Pint]

class C rustled over what class R does with their pixels, this makes me happy.

[Aviann]

Yes and now, ironically, the same groups of people are acting as a super guild (if you joint raid or otherwise raid as allies you're for all purposes the same guild) to oppress a much, much smaller guild fighting for a share of resources.

There's not enough loot to go around for a single guild killing everything. Imagine what a fraction of a fraction worth of gear coming in intervals must feel like for Class R and to have outsiders coming into the fold contesting them for even that. These little shits are coming for OUR dragons and we're going to do everything in our power to stomp them into the ground and make them quit. You're just turned into your own version of TMO, Class R. Haha, fantastic.

It doesn't matter how many times you guys copy and paste this, its going to be hilarious hearing this come from the 'what was once' most major cock block guild on the server. The only thing that stopped you guys from being dicks to the rest of the server was the rotation deal.

[Cecily]

So? We're not apologizing for it. We looked out for the best interests of our people at the expense of others and aren't ashamed. Class R is doing the exact same thing, the only question is where the draw the line designating "our people".

[Aviann]

So? We're not apologizing for it. We looked out for the best interests of our people at the expense of others and aren't ashamed. Class R is doing the exact same thing, the only question is where the draw the line designating "our people".

You guys aren't here to ask questions, if that were the case, you'd have not been so worried about throwing names out there and crying. I do believe that you guys are just rustled. It happens that other guilds helped another guild do something they were meant to do. Can we not be friends and nice people anymore without some asshat throwing accusations about how people don't play nice with them because they deserve it?

[TMOcheerleader]

class C rustled over what class R does with their pixels, this makes me happy.

TMO rustled over what class R does with their pixels, this makes me happy.

[Aviann]

Not you specifically, I'm talking about Jiggles

[Kekephee]

http://i.imgur.com/XSVbzaR.gif

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i.imgur.com/XSVbzaR.gif

wow owned

[Cecily]

You guys aren't here to ask questions, if that were the case, you'd have not been so worried about throwing names out there and crying. I do believe that you guys are just rustled. It happens that other guilds helped another guild do something they were meant to do. Can we not be friends and nice people anymore without some asshat throwing accusations about how people don't play nice with them because they deserve it?

I didn't read much of this thread. How dare you "you guys" me. I just see the Class R alliance as an oppressive force to any new guilds that don't play ball with their policies and this reminds me of how my guild used to screw the rest of you guys over and I think it's funny. And sad. Kinda like the ending of Pan's Labyrinth when you were so happy and crying at the same time. You ultimately leave satisfied though.

[Aviann]

I didn't read much of this thread. How dare you "you guys" me. I just see the Class R alliance as an oppressive force to any new guilds that don't play ball with their policies and this reminds me of how my guild used to screw the rest of you guys over and I think it's funny. And sad. Kinda like the ending of Pan's Labyrinth when you were so happy and crying at the same time. You ultimately leave satisfied though.


Word, and I feel the same way, but without actually having some form of community, this will never get fixed.. And this server has drawn the best of the best people on the internet to it somehow... /cough

[Pint]

So? We're not apologizing for it. We looked out for the best interests of our people at the expense of others and aren't ashamed. Class R is doing the exact same thing, the only question is where the draw the line designating "our people".

class R is looking out for the best interests of 10 individual guilds, lord bob had the opportunity to be #11. your opinions are nonsense.

[radditsu]

Lol love how tiggles and cecily being intentionally dense to egg you on. Be like frozen and let it go.

[Eunomia]

let it go.

You can't post that without linking the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ud6B_NXoNc

[Dragonsblood1987]

It has come to my attention, That multiple guilds are teaming up together to assist each other in killing mobs that Lord Bob contests.

This is a blatant attempt to kill a growing guild and drive players off the server. In the past the staff has gauged punishments against guilds to prevent them from being discouraged and quitting.This rule should also apply to player run guilds attempting to drive competing guilds off the server.

This cabal of Europa, BDA, Cabal and Taken teaming up to kill Talendor with 80 players to stop Lord Bob from getting a pull is not only against the server rules it is against the play nice policy of the server.

This is strong arm mafia tactics to have multiple guilds following you around disrupting your raid attempts because you did not join into their racket. I know this is in RNF but Sirken and Deru please look into this issue and amend the rules that prevent multi-guild raiding just deny one guild the chance to grow and flourish.

Lord Bob is attempting to do the right thing by the raid rules by gearing up to eventually join Class C like the GMS have originally planned but are being stomped out by the Cabal of Raid Rotations.

a few points here.



1) If they would team up to run TMO off the server, it would be far more beneficial to the server, particularly the raid scene, than having another guild join class C so TMO can eventually merge with them because TMO doesnt actually want any competition.



2) youre starting to QQ as much as chest.




3) isnt this a step or two short of all those TMO merges that happened? teaming up with other guilds to beat a guild you couldnt compete with on your own isnt against the rules. I thought you wanted competition? sometimes alliances are made. you should know that.


4) i dont think its really the competition that makes class r guilds shy away from class C, its the bullshit. sitting for 16 hours at a spawn with a programmable keyboard or a pet guarding the spawn isnt competition. Having one member train opposing guilds then kicking that player from the guild for a week so the entire guild doesnt eat a ban isnt competition. basically, TMO isnt competitive, theyre like the spoiled 12 year old kid that tries harder than most lawyers to play technicalities whilst still being a douchenozzle.






Personally, i'd like to see rotations removed. why wait in line if something is spawning and you want it? the only way that would happen though, is if class C guilds actually started playing the game, not using bullshit tactics to compensate for a lack of any sort of ability.

[Glenzig]

Final solution to all raiding problems.

As soon as the raid mob spawns, the zone turns ffa pvp. Now THAT'S competition!

[JayN]

a few points here.



1) If they would team up to run TMO off the server, it would be far more beneficial to the server, particularly the raid scene, than having another guild join class C so TMO can eventually merge with them because TMO doesnt actually want any competition.



2) youre starting to QQ as much as chest.




3) isnt this a step or two short of all those TMO merges that happened? teaming up with other guilds to beat a guild you couldnt compete with on your own isnt against the rules. I thought you wanted competition? sometimes alliances are made. you should know that.


4) i dont think its really the competition that makes class r guilds shy away from class C, its the bullshit. sitting for 16 hours at a spawn with a programmable keyboard or a pet guarding the spawn isnt competition. Having one member train opposing guilds then kicking that player from the guild for a week so the entire guild doesnt eat a ban isnt competition. basically, TMO isnt competitive, theyre like the spoiled 12 year old kid that tries harder than most lawyers to play technicalities whilst still being a douchenozzle.






Personally, i'd like to see rotations removed. why wait in line if something is spawning and you want it? the only way that would happen though, is if class C guilds actually started playing the game, not using bullshit tactics to compensate for a lack of any sort of ability.

This sounds like salty non-factor EXtmo in a now dead guild, enjoy IB LOL.


Its good to know class R can do whatever it feels like and completely disregard the servers rules, action should be taken, MUST BE TAKEN.

The glove fits you cant acquit

[Alarti0001]

NON-FACTOR WHO DOESNT EVEN PLAy, struggling to stay relevant

I play :) I don't need to try to stay relevant. Alarti is eternal.

[Dragonsblood1987]

This sounds like salty non-factor EXtmo in a now dead guild, enjoy IB LOL.


Its good to know class R can do whatever it feels like and completely disregard the servers rules, action should be taken, MUST BE TAKEN.

The glove fits you cant acquit

Never been in TMO, nor would i want to be. Why would anyone willingly align themselves with cheaters, RMTers, and people who use insider information to compensate for their inability to succeed in a game otherwise?




But really, this thread is all about TMO crying about other guilds doing what TMO does, which isnt really anything new. I think youre scared. you guys wanted lord bob to break in to class C, not for competition, but for what ever miniscule measure of bragging rights would come with an established guild of loophole divas (TMO) beating a brand new class C guild (lord bob) to FTEs.



Speaking of non factors.. which dragon are you fine folks at TMO planning on wiping to next?

[JayN]

Never been in TMO, nor would i want to be. Why would anyone willingly align themselves with cheaters, RMTers, and people who use insider information to compensate for their inability to succeed in a game otherwise?




[b]But really, this thread is all about TMO crying about other guilds doing what TMO does[b], which isnt really anything new. I think youre scared. you guys wanted lord bob to break in to class C, not for competition, but for what ever miniscule measure of bragging rights would come with an established guild of loophole divas (TMO) beating a brand new class C guild (lord bob) to FTEs.



Speaking of non factors.. which dragon are you fine folks at TMO planning on wiping to next?

For any of these losers to do what we did or do would mean theyd need to be class C not class Retard

[Dragonsblood1987]

you have to be class C to wipe to dragons and cheat?

[Tiggles]

Never been in TMO, nor would i want to be. Why would anyone willingly align themselves with cheaters, RMTers, and people who use insider information to compensate for their inability to succeed in a game otherwise?




But really, this thread is all about TMO crying about other guilds doing what TMO does, which isnt really anything new. I think youre scared. you guys wanted lord bob to break in to class C, not for competition, but for what ever miniscule measure of bragging rights would come with an established guild of loophole divas (TMO) beating a brand new class C guild (lord bob) to FTEs.



Speaking of non factors.. which dragon are you fine folks at TMO planning on wiping to next?

You're very bad at this game arnt you?

[Artaenc]

We're all friends here Ele. Doljo got outplayed fair and square here but I think tigs has somewhat of a point when 71 people team up to take down 23 players, less than half of whom are 60 who are trying for their first dragon attempt. On the other hand, things in SF were cordial this afternoon for the most part and Asgard even helped us with a couple of rezzes.

The way I see it you have two options here. You go against 71 people in two guilds or you go against 284+ people in 8 of class R guilds (2 guilds would be locked out at any given turn). That's what happens when all of class R goes FFA. That's about 35 players from each guild.

If you think 71 people can stun your growth think about the bigger picture when 284 of them stuns your growth. Don't over analyze, you should be happy there is a class R rotation.

[JayN]

people so jelly whokilledit.com had to be taken down, so the titty babies tears would stop

[Tiggles]

The way I see it you have two options here. You go against 71 people in two guilds or you go against 284+ people in 8 of class R guilds (2 guilds would be locked out at any given turn). That's what happens when all of class R goes FFA. That's about 35 players from each guild.

If you think 71 people can stun your growth think about the bigger picture when 284 of them stuns your growth. Don't over analyze, you should be happy there is a class R rotation.

Stunt*

You don't Stun growth you Stunt it

[Dragonsblood1987]

You're very bad at this game arnt you?

Thats really all youve got?

[Tiggles]

Thats really all youve got?

I was talking about the Game of RnF Because you are dense and bad.

[Pint]

I was talking about the Game of RnF.

this is really all he's got

[sulpher01]

Tiggles confirmed bored.

[Dragonsblood1987]

I was talking about the Game of RnF Because you are dense and bad.

Im trying to have a discussion about how ridiculous it is that TMO is getting upset about class R guilds hassling lord bob. But i guess since youre mad, it obviously has to be trolling, right?

[JayN]

Im trying to have a discussion about how ridiculous it is that TMO is getting upset about class R guilds hassling lord bob. But i guess since youre mad, it obviously has to be trolling, right?

lol douche

this is RnF, no place for a convo

[Dragonsblood1987]

lol douche

this is RnF, no place for a convo

lets talk somewhere else and see if you can make a valid counter argument there.

[JayN]

the counter argument is class Retard seems to be above the rules as far as mob rotations go, according to this most recent development.... are you daft

[Dragonsblood1987]

the counter argument is class Retard seems to be above the rules as far as mob rotations go, according to this most recent development.... are you daft

really? i seem to remember ag getting suspended for sending less than a party full of people to help europa with a kill.

[JayN]

really? i seem to remember ag getting suspended for sending less than a party full of people to help europa with a kill.

exactly why punishments should be doled out now, your proving the point!

[Dragonsblood1987]

exactly why punishments should be doled out now, your proving the point!

Its disproving your point that class R is somehow above the law lol

[Machida]

I will release screenshot convo tonight after work proving class r is conspiring to stop smaller / new guilds. check back in 4hrs

[Susvain2]

The way I see it you have two options here. You go against 71 people in two guilds or you go against 284+ people in 8 of class R guilds (2 guilds would be locked out at any given turn). That's what happens when all of class R goes FFA. That's about 35 players from each guild.

If you think 71 people can stun your growth think about the bigger picture when 284 of them stuns your growth. Don't over analyze, you should be happy there is a class R rotation.

Id MUCH rather compete against the 284+, its not 284 everytime too. It should be all the guilds for themselves. Your class R rotation is becomming TMO. It's a strong arm bully tactic. Face it. You have become what you hate, you are TMO

[Rivthis]

Id MUCH rather compete against the 284+, its not 284 everytime too. It should be all the guilds for themselves. Your class R rotation is becomming TMO. It's a strong arm bully tactic. Face it. You have become what you hate, you are TMO

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZzjTIOUb9U0/Te1Cx2UKXtI/AAAAAAAAASc/fwXRqaamDyU/s400/hcdarkside.jpg

[Artaenc]

Id MUCH rather compete against the 284+, its not 284 everytime too. It should be all the guilds for themselves.

Feel free to force the entire class R community to play the way you want them to and then come to RnF and tell them how you were forced to play FFA against 284+ players, ok maybe only 280 sometimes....

Too bad I don't know the names of your character or is it Susvain?, would be nice to make 100% sure you never get into my guild. It's dangerous for someone with your logic to infect my guild chat.

I thought it was FTE without logic not post without logic?

[rebeccablack]

Its good to know class R can do whatever it feels like and completely disregard the servers rules, action should be taken, MUST BE TAKEN.
could u please explain what rule has been broken here? honestly curious

[Dragonsblood1987]

could u please explain what rule has been broken here? honestly curious

none. hes just being a faggot because people that arent TMO are getting away with the same shit TMO pulls because technically it isnt illegal. he doesnt feel as special now that he isnt firmly latched on to a GMs +2 teet of man-child comforting.

[Tiggles]

none. hes just being a faggot because people that arent TMO are getting away with the same shit TMO pulls because technically it isnt illegal. he doesnt feel as special now that he isnt firmly latched on to a GMs +2 teet of man-child comforting.

TMO's Motto is "Do as I say not as I do", Just because we can do what we like doesn't mean shit tier casuals can try to play bully as well.

[Machida]

tiggles is right. just watch. BDA will take smaller r guild mobs when it folds. chest has been talking about it for weeks. beware AG, asgard, indig, and ateam. hope you all enjoyed rotation while you could. Screenshots incoming soon

[Pint]

tiggles is right. just watch. BDA will take smaller r guild mobs when it folds. chest has been talking about it for weeks. beware AG, asgard, indig, and ateam. hope you all enjoyed rotation while you could. Screenshots incoming soon

we aint scurred over at asgard, bring on the pain.

[Boilon]

I can't tell if it is sad or not when I look forward to rolling out of bed just to read these posts. This sort of entertainment is what I drink my coffee to. Please do go on.

[Archalen]

I can't tell if it is sad or not when I look forward to rolling out of bed just to read these posts. This sort of entertainment is what I drink my coffee to. Please do go on.

It's not "sad," it's called clinical depression :(

[DeruIsLove]

Clinical depression is sad.

[rebeccablack]

tiggles is right. just watch. BDA will take smaller r guild mobs when it folds. chest has been talking about it for weeks. beware AG, asgard, indig, and ateam. hope you all enjoyed rotation while you could. Screenshots incoming soon
are u waiting for the photos to be developed or something?

[Invoke]

are u waiting for the photos to be developed or something?

You ever photoshop a screen shot before? It's not that easy to get the pixels to blend right when you're creating the fake text.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Seems like a lot is being made of the size of the force fielded by the Asgard/Europa alliance. In a FTE rule setup the size of the force is irrelevant. That's the whole point, to make it NOT about the numbers. There were only 2 trackers from Asgard/Europa, and 2 from Bob, so there was no attempt made to squeeze out the smaller guild. If the alliance had tried to field 4 trackers you'd have a point. Now shut up and get in line.

[Anichek]

I will release screenshot convo tonight after work proving class r is conspiring to stop smaller / new guilds. check back in 4hrs

You're late. Popcorn's getting cold.

[Anichek]

tiggles is right. just watch. BDA will take smaller r guild mobs when it folds. chest has been talking about it for weeks. beware AG, asgard, indig, and ateam. hope you all enjoyed rotation while you could. Screenshots incoming soon

100% falsified, as a matter of fact we aren't even considering a contingency plan. We're that committed to trying to do everything we can to assist in the rotation staying viable and together.

[nivikk]

Id MUCH rather compete against the 284+, its not 284 everytime too. It should be all the guilds for themselves. Your class R rotation is becomming TMO. It's a strong arm bully tactic. Face it. You have become what you hate, you are TMO

We like to play together a bit, not against each other. You are welcome to do this also. Class C and R were created to separate the different minded people, and the majority of the server is in and prefers to be a R. Go kill a Class C mob and then fend for yourself. Don't shit our side up.

[Aviann]

Can't believe this thread is still anything more than meant for Tiggles bashing.

Your argument is invalid and hypocritical, get the fuck over it, go play a different server by yourself if you can't get over people being nice to each other for once.

[Dany]

Can't believe this thread is still anything more than meant for Tiggles bashing.

Your argument is invalid and hypocritical, get the fuck over it, go play a different server by yourself if you can't get over people being nice to each other for once.

F*** the alliance!!!

[Aviann]

F*** the alliance!!!

It would be nice if we didn't need one in order to have a decent time, but considering TMO shitbagged everything before the rotation and this fake alliance crap, I don't care what you think.

[Dany]

It would be nice if we didn't need one in order to have a decent time, but considering TMO shitbagged everything before the rotation and this fake alliance crap, I don't care what you think.

I don't care what you think too... all good.

[Aviann]

I don't care what you think too... all good.

No one cares about what you don't care about.

[Dany]

No one cares about what you don't care about.

No one cares about what you don't care about too...

[Aviann]

No one cares about what you don't care about too...

Apparently not, otherwise there wouldn't have been a multi-guild raid for a smaller one's benefit. Dumbass.

[Dany]

Whatev b***h, the alliance will eventually fall. You shall see in due time. All the alliance need to fall is good competition to f*** up the rotation good. See, I do not care. Many more than you think is against the alliance. Not only Doljon... You need to spend less time in the forums and more in game talking with people.

[Aviann]

I don't see where you are even getting an alliance from? Each guild is their own, it just so happens that they decided to help kill a mob. The credibility of TMO is drastically falling to lows I've never dreamed of in this thread. I am excited.

[Dany]

You're kidding me right? The alliance is killing every little guild that wish to have a shot at raiding. The alliance in a way decide of the little guild's fate by allowing you or not to be part of that alliance. If Chest decide that you are not going to join the alliance to keep all the loot for the alliance, you're pretty much fighting against 10 guild. Nothing much different than TMO. The alliance is like the class R mafia. You've got to get accepted in their little circle or else they gang against you.

Anyway, we obviously don't think alike. I do not wish to waste your time/mine anymore. I'm tired and need to go to bed.

[nivikk]

Whatev b***h, the alliance will eventually fall. You shall see in due time. All the alliance need to fall is good competition to f*** up the rotation good. See, I do not care. Many more than you think is against the alliance. Not only Doljon... You need to spend less time in the forums and more in game talking with people.

Please mature

[Dany]

Please mature

Sorry but she said I was a dumbass or something... Why would I be nice to someone like that?

Please mind your own business?

[rebeccablack]

are there real guilds that were killed by the alliance of evil? could u name some of them?

[Dany]

GT? o_O

[Dany]

Can't be the only guild that hit a wall when they got told they had to wait 3 months to be added to the alliance/rotation...

[Daldolma]

You're kidding me right? The alliance is killing every little guild that wish to have a shot at raiding. The alliance in a way decide of the little guild's fate by allowing you or not to be part of that alliance. If Chest decide that you are not going to join the alliance to keep all the loot for the alliance, you're pretty much fighting against 10 guild. Nothing much different than TMO. The alliance is like the class R mafia. You've got to get accepted in their little circle or else they gang against you.

Anyway, we obviously don't think alike. I do not wish to waste your time/mine anymore. I'm tired and need to go to bed.

stfu fgt

[Dany]

stfu fgt

If you think that I care about that comment... :p

[Kekephee]

GT? o_O

GT ejected themselves from the rotation, their leader declared war on Class R, and I'm assuming the mass exodus of GT members into Dojo was the result of most of GT's members not being on board for that war. Or, I guess, maybe it was most of them WERE on board for that war, because they joined Dojo to fight it. Either way, the important detail here is, GT killed itself. It had nothing to do with any mafia.


I know you're trolling, but, you know, sometimes Oprah has to hold a press conference to remind people that the tabloids aren't real, you know?

[Dany]

GT ejected themselves from the rotation, their leader declared war on Class R, and I'm assuming the mass exodus of GT members into Dojo was the result of most of GT's members not being on board for that war. Or, I guess, maybe it was most of them WERE on board for that war, because they joined Dojo to fight it. Either way, the important detail here is, GT killed itself. It had nothing to do with any mafia.


I know you're trolling, but, you know, sometimes Oprah has to hold a press conference to remind people that the tabloids aren't real, you know?

I'm sorry but you are only trying to protect your precious alliance. I was in GT and the cause of GT disband was because 3/4 of the guild wanted to raid but we were told that we would've to wait 3 months to start raiding into the rotation then someone who were close of Chest told our leaders that Chest said that he would never add us to the rotation. I'm guessing because the Sky rotation is full and wanted to protect his loots. Sorry but this is the truth and if you don't understand this, you are in denial. Can you blame the leaders for not wanting to go to war against 10 guilds? Leaders left cuz they also wanted to raid but the alliance makes it almost impossible for small guilds to kill anything or they help each other in crushing the competiton (small guilds trying to get some kill vs 80 alliance member). So, they chose to leave the server so they can experience the raiding scene TOO. That alliance have flaws and is killing small guilds wishing to raid.

[Kekephee]

I'm sorry but you are only trying to protect your precious alliance. I was in GT and the cause of GT disband was because 3/4 of the guild wanted to raid but we were told that we would've to wait 3 months to start raiding into the rotation then someone who were close of Chest told our leaders that Chest said that he would never add us to the rotation. I'm guessing because the Sky rotation is full and wanted to protect his loots. Sorry but this is the truth and if you don't understand this, you are in denial. Can you blame the leaders for not wanting to go to war against 10 guilds? Leaders left cuz they also wanted to raid but the alliance makes it almost impossible for small guilds to kill anything or they help each other in crushing the competiton (small guilds trying to get some kill vs 80 alliance member). So, they chose to leave the server so they can experience the raiding scene TOO. That alliance have flaws and is killing small guilds wishing to raid.

So you're saying, you joined a rotation where everybody waits their turn to take down mobs, and then you had to wait to take down mobs because you joined last and were at the back of the line?


jesus christ you're right there IS a mafia

[Kekephee]

No but seriously, just call a spade a spade. You didn't want to wait. Your guild didn't want to wait. That's not a conspiracy, that's what happens when you're in a rotation. So your guild said, we don't want to be in the rotation, and left it to try their hand at snagging mobs according to who got there first rather than whose turn it was.


That's not a conspiracy against you. That's not a fucking mafia. That's your guild not wanting to wait. Do I think it's "bad" of you not to want to wait? Nope. I think it's your prerogative. But you'd better understand that if you want to compete for mobs rather than wait, guess what, you win the fucking race or you get no mobs.

[Dany]

So you're saying, you joined a rotation where everybody waits their turn to take down mobs, and then you had to wait to take down mobs because you joined last and were at the back of the line?


jesus christ you're right there IS a mafia

It doesn't matter. The facts remains. The point is, your alliance is killing other guilds. The alliance need to add all the guilds wanting in right away. Who cares if you raid PoS once a month? The alliance is there to be fair and not thinking about being greedy right?

[Kekephee]

Also this line about "someone close to Chest said" is so fucking horseshitty I can't even. You got a name? Or did you hear it from Tiggles? I'm pretty sure somebody fucking played you and your entire guild. Probably some extremely bored person who's been FTEing the same mobs for 3 years and has nothing else in this game but stirring up drama, know what I'm getting at here?

[Kekephee]

It doesn't matter. The facts remains. The point is, your alliance is killing other guilds. The alliance need to add all the guilds wanting in right away. Who cares if you raid PoS once a month? The alliance is there to be fair and not thinking about being greedy right?

The fact is NOT that our alliance is killing guilds. The fact is YOUR guild CHOSE to die rather than BE in the alliance because of IMPATIENCE. That has nothing to do with us and sweet fucking jesus I'm getting trolled by someone who the first thing I said to them was "I know you're trolling, but"


Kudos, well played, you got me good and I'm not too big to admit it.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

...<nonsense>.. Leaders left cuz they also wanted to raid but the alliance makes it almost impossible for small guilds to kill anything or they help each other in crushing the competiton (small guilds trying to get some kill vs 80 alliance member). So, they chose to leave the server so they can experience the raiding scene TOO. That alliance have flaws and is killing small guilds wishing to raid.

Seems like a lot is being made of the size of the force fielded by the Asgard/Europa alliance. In a FTE rule setup the size of the force is irrelevant. That's the whole point, to make it NOT about the numbers. There were only 2 trackers from Asgard/Europa, and 2 from Bob, so there was no attempt made to squeeze out the smaller guild. If the alliance had tried to field 4 trackers you'd have a point. Now shut up and get in line.

[Dany]

Look, anyone in the alliance will be against my opinion, that's for sure because that's how you guys get your loots. EQ was made to compete. This sh*t isn't classic. People are not dumb and know that the alliance help each others against guilds trying to snipe nameds that is in the rotation. Read the forums it's no secret. In the end I don't care because the alliance will fall shortly after the rotations are f$&&ed up by other guilds strong enough to compete.

[Boilon]

WTS Mercenary rights. PM me and Europa will help assist you with raid targets at odd hours. Taking offers

[Kekephee]

[b]You know, in '73, KISS was opening for Blue Oyster Cult. One year later, to the day, man, Blue Oyster Cult was opening for KISS.

[Kekephee]

I can't wait for this inspiring rags-to-riches Elf Sim story to unfold

[Boilon]

by other guilds strong enough to compete.

I will take my Class-[R!] loot like the casual scum I am. If I wanted to COMPETE I would have joined some equivalent COMPETING guilds for FTE and poopsocks.

[Dany]

I will take my Class-[R!] loot like the casual scum I am. If I wanted to COMPETE I would have joined some equivalent COMPETING guilds for FTE and poopsocks.

Go play WoW dude. Oh wait go play EQ2, it's instance raids.

[Troubled]

Look, anyone in the alliance will be against my opinion, that's for sure because that's how you guys get your loots. EQ was made to compete. This sh*t isn't classic. People are not dumb and know that the alliance help each others against guilds trying to snipe nameds that is in the rotation. Read the forums it's no secret. In the end I don't care because the alliance will fall shortly after the rotations are f$&&ed up by other guilds strong enough to compete.

You are dumb. "Read the forums." By which you refer to RNF, where truth goes to die.

I'm sorry but you are only trying to protect your precious alliance. I was in GT and the cause of GT disband was because 3/4 of the guild wanted to raid but we were told that we would've to wait 3 months to start raiding into the rotation then someone who were close of Chest told our leaders that Chest said that he would never add us to the rotation. I'm guessing because the Sky rotation is full and wanted to protect his loots. Sorry but this is the truth and if you don't understand this, you are in denial. Can you blame the leaders for not wanting to go to war against 10 guilds? Leaders left cuz they also wanted to raid but the alliance makes it almost impossible for small guilds to kill anything or they help each other in crushing the competiton (small guilds trying to get some kill vs 80 alliance member). So, they chose to leave the server so they can experience the raiding scene TOO. That alliance have flaws and is killing small guilds wishing to raid.

GT had a chance to raid within the week they were added to the rotation and bitched that they weren't going to be ready for another 2 months. That was an error but they could have killed their mob and been fine just the same, had they wanted. Chest didn't have shit to do with it, of course. The whole of class R knows that.

"I'm guessing because the Sky rotation is full and wanted to protect his loots."
Class R rotation is separate from the sky rotation and it's funny that you still don't understand that.

Enjoy being in the guild that never really knows what's going on, aside from the bullshit you're fed to keep you mad.

[Roublard]

The fact is NOT that our alliance is killing guilds. The fact is YOUR guild CHOSE to die rather than BE in the alliance because of IMPATIENCE. That has nothing to do with us and sweet fucking jesus I'm getting trolled by someone who the first thing I said to them was "I know you're trolling, but"


Kudos, well played, you got me good and I'm not too big to admit it.

Let me translate what he just said ; I am mad , our alliance is supreme, the rebels shall die.

Kuddos to GT and lord bob merging and bringing competition to class R to end this terrible racket.

Good luck to the new Lord bob!

[Kekephee]

Let me translate what he just said ; I am mad , our alliance is supreme, the rebels shall die.

Kuddos to GT and lord bob merging and bringing competition to class R to end this terrible racket.

Good luck to the new Lord bob!



http://i.imgur.com/kTSMrVW.jpg

[Dany]

http://i.imgur.com/kTSMrVW.jpg

Exactly man, go play a disney world game without competiton. Very casual, you can compete against 5 years old or too casual?

[Strifer]

http://i.imgur.com/kTSMrVW.jpg

i need to edit this

[Dany]

Let me translate what he just said ; I am mad , our alliance is supreme, the rebels shall die.

Kuddos to GT and lord bob merging and bringing competition to class R to end this terrible racket.

Good luck to the new Lord bob!

/bow Roublard.

[rebeccablack]

doljimar logic:

1. i want to compete for mobs
2. i will force other guilds to compete with me for mobs even tho they dont want to
3. other guilds compete with me as I wanted in #1 and i get rekt
4. _________
5. i am being victimized in some way

i think 4 is the part i am hazy on. anyone care to fill in the blank?

[Boilon]

If only GT or Lord Bob had agreed to join the rotation. Even Europa might have helped them kill some mobs when they were up...

[Dany]

Doljon logic = I want to compete but not against 3 guilds at once helping each others. Making sense or you need a disney picture to understand?

[Kekephee]

Exactly man, go play a disney world game without competiton. Very casual, you can compete against 5 years old or too casual?

But I already said I had fun killing CT this week with your guild putting pressure on us to get it done fast or lose him. You keep talking like I'm not on your side here. I keep saying I love that your guild has gone rogue and wants to compete. I just hope it doesn't backfire and lead to months and months of your guild standing on the sidelines with insufficient numbers to kill the mobs watching other guilds casually drop them, you know?

[Roublard]

doljimar logic:

1. i want to compete for mobs
2. i will force other guilds to compete with me for mobs even tho they dont want to
3. other guilds compete with me as I wanted in #1 and i get rekt
4. _________
5. i am being victimized in some way

i think 4 is the part i am hazy on. anyone care to fill in the blank?

4. Class R Racket gets all mad at actual competition forming up

[Boilon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Class C designed for COMPETETION, and R for casual scum like the rest of our guilds?

[Roublard]

But I already said I had fun killing CT this week with your guild putting pressure on us to get it done fast or lose him. You keep talking like I'm not on your side here. I keep saying I love that your guild has gone rogue and wants to compete. I just hope it doesn't backfire and lead to months and months of your guild standing on the sidelines with insufficient numbers to kill the mobs watching other guilds casually drop them, you know?

Suddenly Kekephee cares and loves that lord bob has gone against the class R alliance...maybe it should be dissolved so real competition can happen instead of carebear rotation.

You guys can take on each other...or can you?

[Kekephee]

If only GT or Lord Bob had agreed to join the rotation. Even Europa might have helped them kill some mobs when they were up...

Yeah, let's talk about Omni, a guild that I think generally has about 8 people on at a time, that has been embraced with loving arms by the Class R rotation and I know for a fact has gotten to tag along on at least a sky raid since they formed up. A guild that otherwise would be, and I'm not talking any shit here because I know those guys and they're great dudes and GREAT players, but with their numbers right now if they had chosen to go rogue, at this point they'd be an Lguk farm guild. Instead they're getting to do their own thing and people are opening up the velvet rope to let them in just because that's what class R is supposed to be.


Big, bad, lizard people illuminati mafia Class R the wicked stepmother of P99

[Cecily]

But I already said I had fun killing CT this week with your guild putting pressure on us to get it done fast or lose him. You keep talking like I'm not on your side here. I keep saying I love that your guild has gone rogue and wants to compete.

The thing about competition here is that it's fun when you're 95% sure to win. Otherwise the rules need to get changed.

[Dany]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Class C designed for COMPETETION, and R for casual scum like the rest of our guilds?

Correct me if I'm wrong but Class R alliance was player made?

[Kekephee]

Suddenly Kekephee cares and loves that lord bob has gone against the class R alliance...maybe it should be dissolved so real competition can happen instead of carebear rotation.

You guys can take on each other...or can you?

I've been saying I personally like competition but don't think it should be pushed on an entire server of people who don't want it since the beginning


dummy

[Boilon]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Class R alliance was player made?

I don't recall Europa ever signing up to any 10man guild alliance. Asgard asked us for help, we complied. If another guild needed help on numbers we probably would if they asked nicely. Possibly for GT as well, but well you guys didn't want to sign up.

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Doljon logic = I want to compete but not against 3 guilds at once helping each others. Making sense or you need a disney picture to understand?

Why the holy fuck do you keep harping on the numbers? That's why we have FTE rules you halfwit. Everyone interested spams javs with their 2 most pathetic and unemployed members, winner gets first shot. We could have had 200 there but if you engaged first and took it down good for you. SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND ALLIANCES YOU FUCKING MORON.

[Roublard]

The big dogs of class R racket thought they could bully every up and coming guild into waiting in line while they distribute the goodies that come from the welfare raid boss rotation.

But praise the racket for letting Omni get some sky raid time even tho they dont have the numbers...how generous of you. That clearly shows how you encourage true competition.

If anything it should be called class W for welfare...props to any guild that is ballsy enough to break the racket and try to compete and achieve raid kills on their own instead of waiting for the left overs.

I guess class R now stands for Racket.

[Dany]

Why the holy fuck do you keep harping on the numbers? That's why we have FTE rules you halfwit. Everyone interested spams javs with their 2 most pathetic and unemployed members, winner gets first shot. We could have had 200 there but if you engaged first and took it down good for you. SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT THE NUMBERS AND ALLIANCES YOU FUCKING MORON.

You poor tard... Thinking that FTE solve every raid problems. With 80 raiders, you obviously can tackle more mobs at once, make more mistakes while your big ass alliance kills the adds from that Skyfire pull. Our pullers are not perfect yet, and when we lost the FTE it was by our own hands. But if we had 80, things would've been easier. We could've killed the adds AND Talendor. We obviously didn't have the numbers to do both. Point is, you guys add a huge advantage.

[Boilon]

Class-W I like it. Where the top dogs giving out the Welfare money strong arm other guilds /face palm

[Dany]

The big dogs of class R racket thought they could bully every up and coming guild into waiting in line while they distribute the goodies that come from the welfare raid boss rotation.

But praise the racket for letting Omni get some sky raid time even tho they dont have the numbers...how generous of you. That clearly shows how you encourage true competition.

If anything it should be called class W for welfare...props to any guild that is ballsy enough to break the racket and try to compete and achieve raid kills on their own instead of waiting for the left overs.

I guess class R now stands for Racket.

LMFAO well said!

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

You poor tard... Thinking that FTE solve every raid problems. With 80 raiders, you obviously can tackle more mobs at once, make more mistakes while your big ass alliance kills the adds from that Skyfire pull. Our pullers are not perfect yet, and when we lost the FTE it was by our own hands. But if we had 80, things would've been easier. We could've killed the adds AND Talendor. We obviously didn't have the numbers to do both. Point is, you guys add a huge advantage.

Pullers being perfect has nothing to do with it. The spawn is known. You sit and stare at it. Your guys blinked.

Making the argument that even if you were alone you would have still lost the engagement isn't exactly helping your case.

Anything else, oh ye of little brain?

[Dany]

When is the next Class-Welfare paycheck btw? I won't tell.

[Dany]

Pullers being perfect has nothing to do with it. The spawn is known. You sit and stare at it. Your guys blinked.

Making the argument that even if you were alone you would have still lost the engagement isn't exactly helping your case.

Anything else, oh ye of little brain?

TBH it make sense. You will disagree with everything I say no matter what. Kthxbye

[Kekephee]

When 24 people vote yes, and 6 people vote no, the right thing to do is to make "no" the official result of the vote so that the 24 aren't bullying the 6

[Boilon]

Maybe your monk shouldn't have flopped Talendor and you guys would have had a shot at engaging. I was actually hoping that Doljo pulled Talendor to their camp to fight it, just to see them wipe and try.

[Kekephee]

Maybe your monk shouldn't have flopped Talendor and you guys would have had a shot at engaging. I was actually hoping that Doljo pulled Talendor to their camp to fight it, just to see them wipe and try.

You don't understand, when a guild isn't strong enough to compete, but wants to compete, and 10 other guilds tell them "it's ok, you don't have to compete, because we will let you take a turn and just hand you the mob," those 10 guilds are BULLYING them

[Dany]

Maybe your monk shouldn't have flopped Talendor and you guys would have had a shot at engaging. I was actually hoping that Doljo pulled Talendor to their camp to fight it, just to see them wipe and try.

Would've been nothing but good raid experience.

[Dany]

You don't understand, when a guild isn't strong enough to compete, but wants to compete, and 10 other guilds tell them "it's ok, you don't have to compete, because we will let you take a turn and just hand you the mob," those 10 guilds are BULLYING them

Oh you expect people to believe that? O.o

[Boilon]

So basically every time Doljo fails to get an R-mob there is going to be a post here complaining about how the rest of the R-Mafia is out to get them?

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

What have we learned? There's not enough raid targets to support another guild, you should probably just dissolve and pick a viable team to join. Admire your pluck though.

[Roublard]

You don't understand, when a guild isn't strong enough to compete, but wants to compete, and 10 other guilds tell them "it's ok, you don't have to compete, because we will let you take a turn and just hand you the mob," those 10 guilds are BULLYING them

So, who are the 10 guilds part of this racket that decides who gets what mobs where and why and even if they dont deserve it (dont have the numbers to kill)?

And what is the motive of this generous enterprise...is it out of pure generosity or are you guys up to some racketering of class R raid bosses. I think those are two legitimate questions.

Btw why dont you guys just all form into one big guild...or is it that one of the 10 is trying to pull the blanket their way with sheer numbers as the only argument?

You dont need much more than 30 ppl to kill any raid boss in kunark except maybe nexona...whoever wants to try to do more with less is remarkable and truly shows good competitive spirit, which you obviously dont altho you claimed so earlier.

[Roublard]

Btw us at Class C are still waiting for one of you big dogs to snag an easy class C target like SW.

Guess soo far its all been barks and no bite.

[Dany]

So basically every time Doljo fails to get an R-mob there is going to be a post here complaining about how the rest of the R-Mafia is out to get them?

If your whole alliance is bullying with 80 welfare raiders, why not? You all should play another game instead of ruinning that EQ classic experience with your silly alliance expecting easy loots for the casuals.

[Kekephee]

Oh you expect people to believe that? O.o

How else do you define the rotation? "bullying," you've said, but how? What was forced on you? You didn't want to be in the rotation, so you're not. You're out. No one has made a big stink about it. You guys came to our CT raid, we were good sports about it. One BDA member talked some shit, the rest of BDA told him to shut up and said it was fun having you guys there. No one is twisting your arm here. You didn't want a place at the table, and now you don't have one. No one forcing shit.

[Boilon]

Well it seems like we have achieved what we wanted, loot for casuals and the non-monopolization of TMO on the raid scene for years. GT could have had some too but declined to join. PS Europa is at the back of the rotation for most mobs and we're more than happy to wait.

[Dany]

Well go ahead and wait. I don't understand why you should wait to get in that alliance while they gear up and your guild isn't. Make sense? Velious is inc... Think.

[Boilon]

well it would seem despite being at the back end of the list Europa is still getting loot so no harm done.