Hey Xasten, alarti, portsche...old friends

[Fountree]

Since I no longer have access to TMO boards I figured I'd post some personal memory tidbits and P99 observations here if anyone cares, which they probably dont, but ok.

So I'm here at west wall in fear killing phobos this morning with a new group of guys...and it brought some memories back of that time a small group of players wiped in fear during my first raid in classic. We had tried to break in with the skeleton crew of TMO. There was no DA, no jeremy, no zagum, no necrious. Met alot of you guys there I believe (at least Xasten, Portsche, zeelot, DMX, others) and received some great tips on how to improve as a druid from you guys. Good times.

Every raid we did together as TMO we saw ourselves get noticeably stronger and thrived on achieving new goals. We added many new valuable members through a leader with an eye for personality until we were in great standing by the time Kunark dropped. Loot was always an afterthought. A special time indeed.

On day 1 of Kunark I landed on the shores after the glitchiest boat experience EVER with Maxus and Cassin <TMO> and like 1000 other players lol. We headed to TT and got our trak teeth (with my then excellent druid tracking ability :)), and by that night I was lvl 51 fighting in Disco. We dropped Gruplinort and that wonderful Froglok Bonecaster Robe dropped. Damn we were in awe. I won the roll (this was when my dice actually worked lol) and sold it later that night for I think around 15k? haha. Those guys quit a few weeks later I think, but they were boss. Oh god it was amazing. Rinse and repeat.

The DA merge happened that July and it helped solidify TMOs raid core to compete with IB, since obviously, we wanted to be the top dogs (it's fun when content is new and you have something to achieve). We had a lot of catching up to do in regards to IB but were very successful once we tweaked our Trakanon strat that September and killed 9? in a row. Fast forward through the opening of VP, which took an eternity, to epics, Kunark has since gone on extremely long, and you can't blame players for that. There has been nothing new left to experience in the end-game of this server for the true P99 raiding devotees besides a revolving door of players keeping things afloat in an FTE-based, political, and now completely CSR-involved raid environment. This past years' needless mass hoarding of pixels in particular and forced merge with FE has honestly torn a big whole into TMO's heart. What ever happened to the friendships that built this guild? Well, to be quite honest, the majority of them are pretty much gone now.

TMO has been taken over by people who have very little idea of what makes EverQuest special - who didn't experience the guilds history on this server and have only existed in this system that others built. There are only a small few exceptions to this statement still left (title) - and I wanna know your thoughts. Would you take today's guild over then? Be honest now.

If I was wrong and there wasn't any truth in what I'm saying, then you wouldn't be seeing the widespread animosity between the current leadership / new FE core of this guild and the old core, or see numerous veteran members being marginalized and/or quitting for expressing their own opinions on things and getting ignored. TMO won the game in my book after we had nearly a year of VP uncontested. Yet the eternal struggle had to continue for these newcomers and the obssessed. In that moment of triumph where it was decided by Zagum we wanted to reform...we couldn't just take a moment be happy with what we had, which was strength in family, not numbers. The new leaders had to attack the old, and anyone who disagreed with their actions in place of coming to a guild consensus about big issues. Merging members of FE were treated better than several very old TMO players, that is a reality.

TMO has squandered it's heritage and I also think it's legacy on this server because of this. You guys may be killing stuff but I don't hear the same heartbeat and I think a lot would agree with me. New players, take my advice and build something yourself. Or help an up and coming guild. To the new TMO (FE) you are 100% replaceable (and not just because the roster is unprecedented in its size). It's the mindset of the leadership as well.

So I find myself again in Fear, trying to re-experience this thing called EQ and trying to help this new group of people, who actually want to play the game for fun and achieve what TMO has achieved. Anything is possible in this sandbox we call P99. Throughout all this time elapsed I've learned that this game is it's best when you're helping others, playing with friends, and building something with love. Thanks for listening to my rant. All the best to my former guild.

[Alarti0001]

Fountree you are annoying. Where is the widespread animosity? We had a handful of people leave most of which were constant annoyances in guild anyways. They were just tolerated previously (like you).

[Argh]

Is this like the EQ equivalent of drunk dialing your ex?

[rebeccablack]

Please stop

[Fountree]

Fountree you are annoying. Where is the widespread animosity? We had a handful of people leave most of which were constant annoyances in guild anyways. They were just tolerated previously (like you).

I thought I was a retard, not annoying. I'll change my thinking on that. You're right, no animosity.

[Alarti0001]

3 minutes after post about Alarti, his fat virgin ass is already replying

fucking log off

your PSA of the day from someone who cares

My ass is 100% virgin. How gaped are you?

[Splorf22]

Is this like the EQ equivalent of drunk dialing your ex?

Yes.

[Alarti0001]

I thought I was a retard, not annoying. I'll change my thinking on that. You're right, no animosity.

Retards can be annoying? They aren't mutually exclusive ya know?

[Fountree]

Is this like the EQ equivalent of drunk dialing your ex?

Hahahha. Argh my favorite poster in RNF.

[India]

Those were definitely good times pre-kunark and early kunark.
Thanks for the walk down memory road Foundtree :)

[Alarti0001]

prove it

You just proved it for me... thanks.

[Hitpoint]

wouldn't be seeing the widespread animosity between the current leadership / new FE core of this guild and the old core, or see numerous veteran members being marginalized and/or quitting for expressing their own opinions on things and getting ignored.

Nope, don't see it. Haven't seen it since you left, or were removed for being a thief, whatever the case was. The guild is happy. You're the only one beating this drum.

Just yesterday heard some long time TMO members in vent talking about how they were against the merge a before it happened, but now they are grateful because they gained a lot of solid members who put in work. Also, they said the merger drove out a lot of toxic assholes which was also a huge plus and helped the guild's atmosphere tremendously. I'm paraphrasing for length, but the content is unchanged.

[Nuggie]

prove it

I see what you are doing there. Using his own medicine against him. :p

[Alarti0001]

I see what you are doing there. Using his own medicine against him. :p

You're confused.

[Nuggie]

You're confused.

Nothing new there.

[Pint]

fountree your nostalgia goggles are pretty foggy, Tmo's reputation on p99 has been shit for years and nobody expects that to change. inb4 tmo members post about how we're all crazy and really their reputation here isnt THAT bad.

[Fountree]

Nope, don't see it. Haven't seen it since you left, or were removed for being a thief, whatever the case was. The guild is happy. You're the only one beating this drum.



You're not exposed to it. Boards were moved (alot of the drama contained on old board), members were insulted/ignored, people disbanded, people quit, All of it's already happened. The new guild might be working out nicely for you. I'm sure theres some nice people. I mean, I leveled with Sloan, I consider him a friend and we talked the first week he formed FE on how TMO operated raid-wise. I talked to him frequently when you formed to try to help you guys succeed. I harbor no hate for FE. I do harbor hate for this new leadership who thought they could push people around, force things on others and take no slack for it.

[Hitpoint]

fountree your nostalgia goggles are pretty foggy, Tmo's reputation on p99 has been shit for years and nobody expects that to change. inb4 tmo members post about how we're all crazy and really their reputation here isnt THAT bad.

TMO's reputation is horrible. Somewhat unjustly, I think. But yea, I don't think anyone is going to argue that TMO isn't universally hated.

[Cecily]

TMO's reputation is horrible. Somewhat unjustly, I think. But yea, I don't think anyone is going to argue that TMO isn't universally hated.

Ahahaha, bullshit. We deserved every bit of it. That doesn't change suddenly when you're on the same side.

[Imslap]

You're not exposed to it. Boards were moved (alot of the drama contained on old board), members were insulted/ignored, people disbanded, people quit, All of it's already happened. The new guild might be working out nicely for you. I'm sure theres some nice people. I mean, I leveled with Sloan, I consider him a friend and we talked the first week he formed FE on how TMO operated raid-wise. I talked to him frequently when you formed to try to help you guys succeed. I harbor no hate for FE. I do harbor hate for this new leadership who thought they could push people around, force things on others and take no slack for it.

Fountree you are annoying. Where is the widespread animosity? We had a handful of people leave most of which were constant annoyances in guild anyways. They were just tolerated previously (like you).

[Hitpoint]

You're not exposed to it. Boards were moved (alot of the drama contained on old board), members were insulted/ignored, people disbanded, people quit, All of it's already happened. The new guild might be working out nicely for you. I'm sure theres some nice people. I mean, I leveled with Sloan, I consider him a friend and we talked the first week he formed FE on how TMO operated raid-wise. I talked to him frequently when you formed to try to help you guys succeed. I harbor no hate for FE. I do harbor hate for this new leadership who thought they could push people around, force things on others and take no slack for it.

Just out of curiosity. Why is it that you and this "old tmo" faction were against the merge? Wasn't it the smart move? I'd be fucking happy if my guild went from struggling one week, to absorbing half the competition and crushing everyone a week later.

Before the merge, when FE was still deciding what to do, I was asked which guild I'd rather join. And I said IB. I wanted to beat TMO while I was in FE. It's the only reason I played, tracked, responded to batphones or did anything. I put it behind me the moment my guild decided to merge with them, because it was never personal, it was just competition. I can't even fathom how you guys could be so upset with the prospect of getting a huge influx of motivated raiders, while dealing a huge blow to your competition at the same time. Was it personal? Did you hate us for taking mobs from you? Did TMO need to be some exclusive club, even if it meant dying right before Velious? I'm genuinely interested in understanding your mindset. How were we different from any other app except that we came over in bulk?

[Ravager]

Just out of curiosity. Why is it that you and this "old tmo" faction were against the merge? Wasn't it the smart move? I'd be fucking happy if my guild went from struggling one week, to absorbing half the competition and crushing everyone a week later.

TMO wants competition... to join them.

[Cecily]

How were we different from any other app except that we came over in bulk?

Self-respect, I guess?

[Imslap]

Just out of curiosity. Why is it that you and this "old tmo" faction were against the merge? Wasn't it the smart move? I'd be fucking happy if my guild went from struggling one week, to absorbing half the competition and crushing everyone a week later.

Before the merge, when FE was still deciding what to do, I was asked which guild I'd rather join. And I said IB. I wanted to beat TMO while I was in FE. It's the only reason I played, tracked, responded to batphones or did anything. I put it behind me the moment my guild decided to merge with them, because it was never personal, it was just competition. I can't even fathom how you guys could be so upset with the prospect of getting a huge influx of motivated raiders, while dealing a huge blow to your competition at the same time. Was it personal? Did you hate us for taking mobs from you? Did TMO need to be some exclusive club, even if it meant dying right before Velious? I'm genuinely interested in understanding your mindset. How were we different from any other app except that we came over in bulk?

There were probably about 8-12 people who were actually against the merger straight up. A lot were skeptical, but most were willing to see how it would play out. The most vocal dissenters were nonfactors and AFK trackers and people with less than 10% attendance. Hence what Alarti's post that I quoted is about.

[Hitpoint]

Self-respect, I guess?

Is that what you think?

[Cecily]

Is that what you think?

That we sacrificed a great deal of self-respect to take on a zerg of people who absolutely hated us the month before, because it was the "smart move" to keep the guild going? No. I don't think that at all.

[Hitpoint]

That we sacrificed a great deal of self-respect to take on a zerg of people who absolutely hated us the month before, because it was the "smart move" to keep the guild going? No. I don't think that at all.

Okay. The context of that quote makes it seem like we lacked self respect for joining you. I won't argue someone else's point of view. Carry on.

[Lazie]

That we sacrificed a great deal of self-respect to take on a zerg of people who absolutely hated us the month before, because it was the "smart move" to keep the guild going? No. I don't think that at all.

I wasn't a part of you guys hating each other. I do think there was some of that on both sides those. It was actually nice seeing people let go of grudges to make the right choice for the members of both guilds.

[Rellapse40]

After reading Alarti's dating profile a couple years ago

i can 100% confirm

he is gay

[Nuggie]

I wasn't a part of you guys hating each other. I do think there was some of that on both sides those. It was actually nice seeing people let go of grudges to make the right choice for the members of both guilds.

I still think it's just FE trying to win the fight from the inside.

[Cecily]

It's worked out well. Fountree's right in the fact the guild is fundamentally changed from what it was a year ago, and it's sad to see that. It's unfortunate that the merge had (which I don't personally agree with) to happen. TMO vs IB vs FE would have been the best outcome for the server.

[Frieza_Prexus]

That we sacrificed a great deal of self-respect to take on a zerg of people who absolutely hated us the month before, because it was the "smart move" to keep the guild going? No. I don't think that at all.

DA hated us and vice versa before our original merge. Many IB players we've taken hated us and vice versa. Perhaps it is instead a failing on the part of the people who drive that attitude.

I, for one, am quite comfortable with the current situation. It's not without its faults (some of which are reasonably severe), but the guild's likely never been more productive or respectable in my personal view.

[Tiggles]

It's worked out well. Fountree's right in the fact the guild is fundamentally changed from what it was a year ago, and it's sad to see that. It's unfortunate that the merge had (which I don't personally agree with) to happen. TMO vs IB vs FE would have been the best outcome for the server.

But what's the best outcome for my alts gear slots?

I'd merge with IB tomorrow if it meant uncontested class C, Fuck competition I just want better gear than the rest of the EC tunnel.

[Fountree]

I, for one, am quite comfortable with the current situation. It's not without its faults (some of which are reasonably severe), but the guild's likely never been more productive or respectable in my personal view.

Thanks for your input xasten.

But what's the best outcome for my alts gear slots?

I'd merge with IB tomorrow if it meant uncontested class C, Fuck competition I just want better gear than the rest of the EC tunnel.

[Fountree]

My spank bank bro.

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What a pickup w/ Lazie, amirite Xasten. Great member inside and out, personality, everything.

http://i.imgur.com/bHYQNPW.jpg

[Hitpoint]

Thanks for your input xasten.

You're going to answer my questions right? I think they are reasonable. Don't duck me.

[Lazie]

What a pickup w/ Lazie, amirite Xasten. Great member inside and out, personality, everything.

http://i.imgur.com/bHYQNPW.jpg

You should learn to take a joke man.

[Rhuma7]

Clearing plane of fear 1 by 1 must suck.

I know I never made a full clear without falling asleep.

You made a choice, live with it. All your tears wont bring it back.

[Kekephee]

Clearing plane of fear 1 by 1 must suck.

I know I never made a full clear without falling asleep.

You made a choice, live with it. All your tears wont bring it back.


I remember on Live when a fear clear would be like a 6 hour ordeal. Guilds burn through it in two hours on this server. I'm sure Plane of Growth will be an even more drastic difference- I never did a whole lot of PoG and it's been a while but didn't that shit take like 12 hours back in the day?

[Fountree]

You're going to answer my questions right? I think they are reasonable. Don't duck me.

Um maybe. I'm not sure what you need answering specifically, there's alot there and I answered some in my original post. Again, as I already stated I don't think a lot of people had a problem with the majority of the FE membership they just had a problem with how the merge was internally forced, as well as a lot of the issues I've discussed on guild direction and the choice of putting friends over pixels. Remember, we had a clean slate after the reform and were badly damaged. We could have used that time to come together again and get back to the basics. Selling the hard work of the Zeelot years out without his consent was the worst thing we could have done for morale. At least these powergrabbers could have changed the name and shown a little respect lol.

[Susvain2]

fountree are you under 16 years or younger? or are you just a dummy?. ive been reading the internet a long time. i can pinpoint your type. you're either young or dumb

[Tiggles]

fountree are you under 16 years or younger? or are you just a dummy?. ive been reading the internet a long time. i can pinpoint your type. you're either young or dumb

I think he is young yeah

[Fountree]

fountree are you under 16 years or younger? or are you just a dummy?. ive been reading the internet a long time. i can pinpoint your type. you're either young or dumb

I'm extremely young. That's why when you call me a "dummy" it hurts deep in my soul. Please refrain from using those harsh words again towards me.

[Susvain2]

well now i feel bad.

[Hitpoint]

Um maybe. I'm not sure what you need answering specifically, there's alot there and I answered some in my original post. Again, as I already stated I don't think a lot of people had a problem with the majority of the FE membership they just had a problem with how the merge was internally forced, as well as a lot of the issues I've discussed on guild direction and the choice of putting friends over pixels. Remember, we had a clean slate after the reform and were badly damaged. We could have used that time to come together again and get back to the basics. Selling the hard work of the Zeelot years out without his consent was the worst thing we could have done for morale. At least these powergrabbers could have changed the name and shown a little respect lol.

Well I have no idea how it went down, from the inside of TMO. So for the sake of argument, lets assume the FE merger was forced, like you say, and that's why you (and others?) are upset. Would you have been okay with all of this, if there was a poll or something and everyone got to vote? (Again I have no Idea if there actually was a poll or some way to give feedback.) Or would you have wanted a vocal, but loyal, minority to be able to veto any kind of merger decision in exchange for their loyalty?

[Fountree]

Would you have been okay with all of this, if there was a poll or something and everyone got to vote? (Again I have no Idea if there actually was a poll or some way to give feedback.) Or would you have wanted a vocal, but loyal, minority to be able to veto any kind of merger decision in exchange for their loyalty?

A vote would have been great yeah. And votes on the terms of it too.

[Susvain2]

A vote would have been great yeah. And votes on the terms of it too.

how about its a game? and those people in Forceful Entry are probably decent people and a handful of them are ACTUALLY cool/friendly. you gotta relax. its just a guild tag

[Lazie]

Um maybe. I'm not sure what you need answering specifically, there's alot there and I answered some in my original post. Again, as I already stated I don't think a lot of people had a problem with the majority of the FE membership they just had a problem with how the merge was internally forced, as well as a lot of the issues I've discussed on guild direction and the choice of putting friends over pixels. Remember, we had a clean slate after the reform and were badly damaged. We could have used that time to come together again and get back to the basics. Selling the hard work of the Zeelot years out without his consent was the worst thing we could have done for morale. At least these powergrabbers could have changed the name and shown a little respect lol.

Those 2 do not go together. IF you reformed with a clean slate then the guild was different than it was at that point. You can't say the people in the guild tossed away someone's hard work when Zeelot was the person that disbanded the guild in the first place and threw it away. This isn't to cause strife with people who took the same stance as you in this case...It's just injecting a bit of common sense into it. You guys blame leadership for making a decision that benefited people when they were thrown to the wolves without much explanation by the former guild leader.

[Susvain2]

btw for any super tmo haters i may or may not have eccezans active cell # (props to rellapse) serious plat offers / packages only. hes actually a friendly guy and doesnt get too bothered when i send him the occasional troll text every few months. wait just realized he has my number too! shit

[Tiggles]

btw for any super tmo haters i may or may not have eccezans active cell # (props to rellapse) serious plat offers / packages only. hes actually a friendly guy and doesnt get too bothered when i send him the occasional troll text every few months. wait just realized he has my number too! shit

ban


personal info
RMT

[Susvain2]

got prof?

[Tiggles]

got prof?

btw for any super tmo haters i may or may not have eccezans active cell # (props to rellapse) serious plat offers / packages only. hes actually a friendly guy and doesnt get too bothered when i send him the occasional troll text every few months. wait just realized he has my number too! shit

[Susvain2]

i see no evidence

[Kekephee]

He said he's selling it for plat, it's not RMT if it's real life shit for platinum, just the other way around


Why does Rellapse have Eccezan's phone number to give to you is really the question I'm asking

[Susvain2]

they got into a flame war awhile back and rellapse had to get dirty to get the upper hand. he took it too far and eccezan did some investigating on rellapse and that made him back off. no idea why i got it in a random PM, prob cuz im a top RnF player

[Kekephee]

Probably cause Rellapse had gotten scared off by Eccezan doing tit for tat and digging up RL info and figured if he passed around Eccezan's phone number someone else would do his dirty work for him and he wouldn't have to worry about having his own RL shit come out


Smart but scummy and pretty transparent

[Susvain2]

rellapse dug up eccezans phone # first
sent it around
rellapse + others harassed Ecc via phone
eccezan dug up rellapses info to scare him/us off

thats the order just to clarify

[Godefroi]

Fountree come back instead of making threads all the time ?

Lets talk in vent about shoegaze n other good rock bands.

You gave your 200k back, what is stopping you ?

[Kekephee]

rellapse dug up eccezans phone # first
sent it around
rellapse + others harassed Ecc via phone
eccezan dug up rellapses info to scare him/us off

thats the order just to clarify

Ohhh so you'd already gotten it when Eccezan got Rellapse's shit. Ok, that makes more sense. I was gonna say, dawg don't you see you're being PAWNED

[Ravager]

Eccezan's number won't do anyone any good unless his mom white lists their number.

[Rellapse40]

lol @ u dum *****s thinking some beaner got my info

[Rellapse40]

Susvain go inject more heroin and post pics of your 1inch weiner again

[Tasslehofp99]

Just out of curiosity. Why is it that you and this "old tmo" faction were against the merge? Wasn't it the smart move? I'd be fucking happy if my guild went from struggling one week, to absorbing half the competition and crushing everyone a week later.

Before the merge, when FE was still deciding what to do, I was asked which guild I'd rather join. And I said IB. I wanted to beat TMO while I was in FE. It's the only reason I played, tracked, responded to batphones or did anything. I put it behind me the moment my guild decided to merge with them, because it was never personal, it was just competition. I can't even fathom how you guys could be so upset with the prospect of getting a huge influx of motivated raiders, while dealing a huge blow to your competition at the same time. Was it personal? Did you hate us for taking mobs from you? Did TMO need to be some exclusive club, even if it meant dying right before Velious? I'm genuinely interested in understanding your mindset. How were we different from any other app except that we came over in bulk?


Not going to lie; I had some personal enemies in TMO. Most of them are gone or were willing to put any differences we had from the past behind us, though. Being in TMO has been a lot of fun; specifically after IB disrespected those of us in FE. I love the fact that they decided to big league FE and are now getting anally fisted for it.


Not much for me to say though in terms of what fountree is harping on. I've always been good buds with you fount, kind of disappointed we never really got to share a guild tag. Hope everything works out for you in the end.

[Detoxx]

He said he's selling it for plat, it's not RMT if it's real life shit for platinum, just the other way around


Why does Rellapse have Eccezan's phone number to give to you is really the question I'm asking

wut?

[Nineran]

Fountree. I spent countless hours with you and Tortue in Howling stones, while you two were TMOs. It was a blast, crawling that place. Great Loot, challenging situations, fun had by all. You were a cool dude, down for whatever, roll with the punches when it all went to shit.

What happened man? All I see now is a guy so addicted to pixels, he would sell out his beloved TMO for them. (I realized you returned the money, I give you major props for that, tough to erase the fact that it would even happen though)

The members you speak of, the ones no longer in TMO, are the ones that abandoned TMO in their time of most desperate need. The guild leader tried to force everyone in the guild to just abandon the server to serve his own ego, rather than try to find the solution that the current leadership did.

And now you are coming after the current leadership for ensuring a strong home for those that remained loyal? The house wouldn't exist without their difficult decisions. And as a result we have new friends, a guild that is more successful than ever, and a wonderful environment to enjoy classic EQ in.

I'm new to the house. I sort of watched the whole thing unfold from a third party point of view. Now being inside the result, I have to say its fantastic. Really fantastic people in regards to talent and personality. I don't even know who was TMO and who was FE really. To me they are all just great guildies, and I know if you would have given the new members half a chance, you would think so too.

Are you so blinded by your loss of status after the merger that you cannot see how good it was for your fellow members, your friends that stayed loyal?

Please man, you are a good dude. Drop the RnF stuff. Just spend some time getting back to the roots of the server, which is enjoying classic Everquest.

Get humble, and come back man. I would love to run with you again, those were good times.

[Nineran]

You made five statements. And not one of the them applies to TMO.

[Autotune]

This one time we were spawning splits in VP to wreck other guild's when they tried to enter. I would take all of the good splits from Zeelot when he would kite them too me and keep them trapped in a lava tube where they couldn't hit me.

It was glorious, mostly because Amelinda showed up while we were doing it and he incompetence allowed us to continue while she talked shit.

TMO was always the best guild at taking advantage of game mechanics. I miss that and I just don't think the new TMO has that in them. I suppose they don't need it being on easy street after IB left though.

[Hitpoint]

The consensus I got from this thread is that TMO- We will put up with just about anyone if that means more loot for us. We consider players a "decent" person or "tolerable" if they are putting in tracking hours and we need the live bodies. I didn't know sitting on your ass all day, jav-spamming makes personality. Definitely a new concept for me.

Not to mention what is more important? Keeping a close group of friends and not 100 random people OR absorbing the competition which you talked shit about for months to secure your place in the top and lose touch with the tight core to acquire more pixels for the guild.

Here's the problem, one promotes friendship and integrity. The other promotes being a vast dickhead to get the items you need, being guilded with people that have trained you in the past, leap-frogged and done whatever in the name of competition.

I am all for competition, but I like having a smaller core, close group of friends who are really decent human beings in game and out. Competition isn't inviting 200 members to make sure you have atleast 50 members online at every respawn.

It's like every big bank corporation in the world. They absorb other banks to keep themselves afloat, print more money when they are low, and shit on the rest of the community to make themselves a little bit richer. It is even worse when you have a guild that was so hungry for loot while being in FE, the second they get into the top position, it makes them feel like AoW laying the smack down on TMO.


BTW the print more money thing is just an example of cut-throat tactics. I'm not saying old TMO was not cut-throat, every guild is, but the difference is the original TMO core had worked their way from being a lower class guild to the top position with the same leadership.

Nah, totally off base. Not even close.

FE wasn't loot hungry, the guild always promoted "friendship and integrity" or whatever. We were tight. That's how we made the move to TMO together. Know how many people we lost to IB when we went to TMO? 2 people. One who was MIA and basically in IB on his other toons the whole time anyway. So we lost one person when we made the move pretty much. I think that speaks volumes about how much of a healthy environment FE had. Not to mention surviving that last summer, while basically killing 1 out of 10 spawns, and still showing up to every batphone. That's not hunger for loot, that's loyalty to your guild.

And TMO isn't a bunch of loot hungry robots that hate eachother. Right now I'm in vent with 20 other tmo bullshitting while we all do our own stuff. It's the same social environment as other guilds, probably more than most. Our tracking channel regularly has 25+ people in it. 80% of them aren't tracking, they're hanging out keeping those who are tracking entertained.

You are probably basing your assumptions on what you hear. Maybe we're guilty of hogging all the mobs, or maybe one of our members trained a friend of yours or something. But one thing we're not guilty of is being antisocial and accepting assholes just to field numbers. It's just not the case.

[Hitpoint]

You'll get no counterpoints. I'm not getting sucked into another argument with random anon IB or BDA retard. My original points are all still solid and I stand by them. Perhaps my newest post will enlighten you. As it was likely posted while you were composing this "gem."

[Portsche]

I got my name in a thread title!

[Nineran]

I didn't know sitting on your ass all day, jav-spamming makes personality.

Doesn't apply.

Not to mention what is more important? Keeping a close group of friends and not 100 random people OR absorbing the competition

Doesn't apply.

Here's the problem, one promotes friendship and integrity. The other promotes being a vast dickhead to get the items you need, being guilded with people that have trained you in the past, leap-frogged and done whatever in the name of competition.

Doesn't apply.

I am all for competition, but I like having a smaller core, close group of friends who are really decent human beings in game and out.

It's like every big bank corporation in the world. They absorb other banks to keep themselves afloat, print more money when they are low, and shit on the rest of the community to make themselves a little bit richer.

Doesn't apply.


BTW the print more money thing is just an example of cut-throat tactics. I'm not saying old TMO was not cut-throat, every guild is, but the difference is the original TMO core had worked their way from being a lower class guild to the top position with the same leadership.

That's just wrong. Doesn't have anything to do with applicable.

[Nineran]

It looks like you are pulling a lot of quotes from RnF. That's a really reliable place to get the true essence of a guild.

[Ella`Ella]

You made a sentence showing the opposite point, 0 times. I can start putting in quotes from the TMO members that posted previously.



Why tolerate people that are constant annoyances if you think they contribute nothing to the guild? Or are you just using them for more pixel gain? Not saying Fountree in general, I am saying the people you supposedly tolerate.



You wanted to add, you mouth is also a hole.


Holy shit this guy cares so much.


This says nothing about players personalities and if they are a complete asshat. Just because you get a few solid members that put in time for tracking or whatever it may be. Does that necessarily make them fun to be around and not pixel hungry? No.



Once again not a care in the world about the "type" of players you have but more of the amount of players you have.



If someone who created the guild, spent all the time to create that guild from the beginning to end, they own the guild. It's almost like a company, if a company owner decides he wants to close down shop and switch to a new location after he funded and built the empire from the ground up then that is his choice. The employee's/manager's can TRY and ask to buy the property from him and start it back up. Ultimately, it is his decision. If you wanted to start a new guild with different leadership, and absorb competition that Zeelot was against. Atleast create a new fucking name.



Wait, wasn't the competition FE and IB?

Ill leave you with this, if you merge every time you are about to lose your ranking as a guild, you are not really the same guild anymore. You have a large influx of people that hated each other that are now magically friends over the agreement to get better loot for themselves. Imagine if all the class R guilds decided to merge, the server would pretty much suck and so would that guild.

Ill leave you to your counterpoints now.

[Ella`Ella]

You made a sentence showing the opposite point, 0 times. I can start putting in quotes from the TMO members that posted previously.



Why tolerate people that are constant annoyances if you think they contribute nothing to the guild? Or are you just using them for more pixel gain? Not saying Fountree in general, I am saying the people you supposedly tolerate.



You wanted to add, you mouth is also a hole.



This says nothing about players personalities and if they are a complete asshat. Just because you get a few solid members that put in time for tracking or whatever it may be. Does that necessarily make them fun to be around and not pixel hungry? No.



Once again not a care in the world about the "type" of players you have but more of the amount of players you have.



If someone who created the guild, spent all the time to create that guild from the beginning to end, they own the guild. It's almost like a company, if a company owner decides he wants to close down shop and switch to a new location after he funded and built the empire from the ground up then that is his choice. The employee's/manager's can TRY and ask to buy the property from him and start it back up. Ultimately, it is his decision. If you wanted to start a new guild with different leadership, and absorb competition that Zeelot was against. Atleast create a new fucking name.



Wait, wasn't the competition FE and IB?

Ill leave you with this, if you merge every time you are about to lose your ranking as a guild, you are not really the same guild anymore. You have a large influx of people that hated each other that are now magically friends over the agreement to get better loot for themselves. Imagine if all the class R guilds decided to merge, the server would pretty much suck and so would that guild.

Ill leave you to your counterpoints now.


Holy shit this guy cares....

[Hitpoint]

I said we were in bad shape during the summer and getting 1/10 mobs but stayed together because we were tight. Then we recruited when the summer slump was over and came back strong.

TMO loot council is incredibly fair. As I said in a post yesterday. We've been with TMO for 3 months and I have yet to see loot drama. That's better than I've seen in any other guild.

Your spinning is less skillful than most. It's too over the top and full of bullshit. Why are you so mad? You'd enjoy TMO a lot if you were in it, or of you never left.. That's the truth.

Nice post history btw. How fucking obsessed are you with us?

[Lazie]

Says the guy who was one of the top advocates of being in FE against TMO. I care a lot about not being a dick and having fun. What do you care a lot about? Let me guess, selling out to get more pixels? Also the holy shit this guy cares posts only works if you DONT post it here, you coming here, taking the time to read my posts then replying shows you infact care. Now fuck off.

We were getting pixels just about the same working with IB. In the end the better fit was found while attaining those pixels.

[Nineran]

Thank you "Arnold Palmer Cum" for making sure we don't forget this is RnF.

I do realize my post was way to genuine for this forum, sorry about that.

[Hitpoint]

Thank you "Arnold Palmer Cum" for making sure we don't forget this is RnF.

I do realize my post was way to genuine for this forum, sorry about that.

We're all being way too sincere for rnf tbh.

Making it too easy for the trolls.

[Lazie]

It honestly is the revolving door for the top guilds, someone is always the bad guy. The top guild always attracts the people who are loot hungry and have no problem shitting on everyone for whatever their gains are on the game. The difference is TMO more embraces this and doesn't seek out these problems because its a merge of different people now and the competition has gone down to basically not much. They keep the people that are asshats or even "tolerable" to keep being the top guild even though they don't have to anymore.

I will step on your neck for loot. Don't get in my way.

[Hitpoint]

You still have yet to answer the questions about, if FE was already a tight core, why merge? The only answer left is more dragons and pixels. Raiding is fun, don't get me wrong. But I can find the same type of fun chopping it up with my friends on raids regardless if you get the loot or not. I don't disagree you were getting the same pixels with IB BUT I do think at the same time you knew that TMO would want to come back and they would eventually come back with more players and you'd still have problems. Also they had had VP and other mobs uncontested for quite some time so they had the chance to already gear up different alts.

Once again I was to reiterate that taking YOUR time to go to my post count and check each individual one and coming back to post here will not show how obsessed I am, my post count is like 9......I guess that must be really obsessive. I would like you to count how many times you came here and defended TMO for ridiculous shit or just outright contradicted yourself. This forum account is specifically for the use of showing what pot meets kettle is since a lot of you sincerely don't realize. I also read over these tjreads with half, if not, majority of all of TMO constantly contradicting themselves. I'm also not saying all TMO is bad, there is a few people in the guild that are cool. Then you have the people that think the whole game is about acquiring more loot and obtaining status and what guild do you think those people will go to?

You're right, raiding is fun. I enjoy it, we all do. And to answer your question, either merge (with IB or TMO) was for the purpose of being a powerhouse in Velious. Not for dominating Kunark, or acquiring mass VP pixles. Even though that's obviously a welcome side effect of it. Velious is the whole reason IB came back to the server. We merged with TMO because IB had burned their bridges. Every guild wants more dragons, you make it sound like we're all loot whores. But in reality it's no more than anyone else. Including any class R guild. Seeing the content, and winning is more important than what the mobs drop imo. I'd rather kill a PD that drops nothing than a fungus king that drops 5 tunics. I think a lot of people feel the same way.

[Socratic]

A lot of us play this game to destroy the enemy so they come to these forums and make up crazy stories about how horrible we are.

I think one of the best things to come from the merge is losing a good bunch of the fountree type players that are selfish and cause drama but contribute very little.

[Nineran]

Hey Guys!

A guy named "Tremendous Faggots" just took the time to create a brand new forum account to comment on this really important conversation we are having.

He shares his wisdom with us, listen carefully.

I feel that devoting so much time to an ancient video game when you could be out building some sort of interesting life is pathetic and you should murder yourself.

Thanks Tremendous Faggots for taking time out of your really interesting life (Ahh god I can't even say it with a straight face) to share your wisdom. I eagerly await more.

[Socratic]

And then some of us merge with them to destroy the enemy. Wait....that enemy is gone. Lets find another.

We didn't need to find another. IB found us.

[Nineran]

So Phil.

You are FE. Well you obviously aren't in FE, but when you were and pretend you are FE.

You need to recruit. You have two dudes.

Both are great dudes. Fun to hang out with. Good people in general. Fun to shoot the shit with on vent.

One dude is brand new to EQ. Green in experience and gear.

The other dude is a seasoned veteran. He has the same passion for this game that you do.

There's nothing wrong with picking the seasoned veteran. In fact you give both a chance. Cause they both love EQ and are passionate about it, and are both good dudes.

Its recruitment man. It can be a merge, it can be convincing a friend to play, it can be an old player coming back.

Its all the same boat, its however guild on this server keeps on chugging along. Recruitment.

[Nineran]

If on the other hand the very experience player was my competition for the past while, and we always had words on the forums and trashed each other's guild/each other. I probably wouldn't invite him based on the fact that if you are just making friends with all your enemies and/or competition. Then who really is the competition when it isn't benefitting you?

To me phil, what you are getting confused on is what "trash talk" is. Its part of any sort of competitive endeavor. Its not about truth, its about trying to throw the other person off their game. So if someone gets traded, you don't hold a grudge because someone trash talked you back in the day.

Since all trash talk here takes place in RnF its obviously all magnified by 1000 and public.

That doesn't mean that the people you are joining up with aren't good people that you would want to hang around with.

Bringing this back to the topic at hand. You can recruit a bunch of great people that you want to raid with, who coincidentally are also skilled, talented, and geared. No reason not to. Merging was part of recruitment, as well as recruiting new players that are newer to the server. We have a bunch of great up coming apps, and apps that recently achieved full membership that are just great folks that we look forward to downing lots of dragons with in the future.

[Lazie]

That really depends. If the one guy who is green in experience and gear is a cool player, willing to put in the time, doesn't believe in asshatery and fair-game. Then I would have no problem recruiting him. If on the other hand the very experience player was my competition for the past while, and we always had words on the forums and trashed each other's guild/each other. I probably wouldn't invite him based on the fact that if you are just making friends with all your enemies and/or competition. Then who really is the competition when it isn't benefitting you?

Why would you consider anyone on a game a serious enemy ? Why would you hold grudges like that over a game ?

[Archalen]

Fountree must have had really good sex right before he wrote this.






Really good sex with his hand.

[Tann]

I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours.I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours.I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours.I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours.I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours.

[Gaffin 7.0]

nice novel

[Gaffin 7.0]

tldr

[Tann]

If you can't read 5 lines of text, you're either dumb or dyslexic, I'm willing to bet both. Good job copying and pasting the same 5 lines over 10 times. Makes a real point that you didn't have to hit paste a BUNCH to make something look like it was hard to read. You wasted double the time because you probably read the post, then sat there and copied and pasted it too.If you can't read 5 lines of text, you're either dumb or dyslexic, I'm willing to bet both. Good job copying and pasting the same 5 lines over 10 times. Makes a real point that you didn't have to hit paste a BUNCH to make something look like it was hard to read. You wasted double the time because you probably read the post, then sat there and copied and pasted it too.If you can't read 5 lines of text, you're either dumb or dyslexic, I'm willing to bet both. Good job copying and pasting the same 5 lines over 10 times. Makes a real point that you didn't have to hit paste a BUNCH to make something look like it was hard to read. You wasted double the time because you probably read the post, then sat there and copied and pasted it too.If you can't read 5 lines of text, you're either dumb or dyslexic, I'm willing to bet both. Good job copying and pasting the same 5 lines over 10 times. Makes a real point that you didn't have to hit paste a BUNCH to make something look like it was hard to read. You wasted double the time because you probably read the post, then sat there and copied and pasted it too.If you can't read 5 lines of text, you're either dumb or dyslexic, I'm willing to bet both. Good job copying and pasting the same 5 lines over 10 times. Makes a real point that you didn't have to hit paste a BUNCH to make something look like it was hard to read. You wasted double the time because you probably read the post, then sat there and copied and pasted it too.

[Gaffin 7.0]

I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yoursI don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours.I don't hold grudges in game but you can't just let everyone who has different reasons for playing. Some people are here for RMT, some people are here just for status and pixels, some are here to have fun. If you don't hold any kinds of standards, not grudges. Then your guild will be full of people who are in it for difference reasons. My point is that I like to find people who are here to PLAY the game for FUN. And honestly from the looks of it, you have some enemies yourself. Go invite skywarp to your guild next time, or someone you've been arguing with constantly. People have different views and you aren't going to get along with everyone. The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever. There is a difference between holding a grudge, which means you hate someone and hold ill-will towards them because of a past event. And thinking of people as competition due to the fact that they don't agree with your guild stance and are out for their benefit of people over your true friends. Also wanted to add I didn't really start with the "enemy" thing, that was actually a guild member of yours..

[Tann]

We know, the only skills you have is clicking refresh over and over on Project1999.


The effects on drugs are pretty long lasting too, I heard you can have problems for up to a few years.

Its okay,
you'll get reading comprehension back someday.











If you post more in blue forums, you won't get laughed at as much... ..yet.






I can't help but laugh about posts regarding your avatar, I

just always imagine by your pictures and the way you act on this forum of you being the bitch in the relationship,


I'm sure your rehab buddy took all your candy bars too.

















I feel sorry for you.

[Gaffin 7.0]

good 2 know no name faggot dislikes me, welcome 2 the club




tell us more

[Emsee]

I think one of the best things to come from the merge is losing a good bunch of the fountree type players that are selfish and cause drama but contribute very little.

[Gaffin 7.0]

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[Gaffin 7.0]

Cuz Im not a scared lil pussy like you, i honestly give 0 fucks but I gtg to sleep have fun talkin about elf sim life

[Alarti0001]

You're not exposed to it. Boards were moved (alot of the drama contained on old board), members were insulted/ignored, people disbanded, people quit, All of it's already happened. The new guild might be working out nicely for you. I'm sure theres some nice people. I mean, I leveled with Sloan, I consider him a friend and we talked the first week he formed FE on how TMO operated raid-wise. I talked to him frequently when you formed to try to help you guys succeed. I harbor no hate for FE. I do harbor hate for this new leadership who thought they could push people around, force things on others and take no slack for it.

Yes I was on the old boards... and the drama was the same habitual drama offenders, you, oli, tortue and 1% raid attend zenorek. Then of course Zeelot and Darkdeath lost their fucking marbles.

[Gaffin 7.0]

will read your novels in the morning after coffee on shit break

[Alarti0001]

Lol this Phil character is amazing. He thinks people don't realize he's an anon account? super clever.

[Tann]

will read your novels in the morning after coffee on shit break

sit on the can for 3min max, can develop the roids with all that pressure ;)

[Tann]

as requested via pm

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still dead, will let you know if that changes

[Alarti0001]

You forgot about anon troll account. When did I say anything about that though?

Oh it was just a nice post where you contradicted yourself mid tirade. Talking about your lack of obsession where you claimed 9 posts then confirmed that you made this account to in essence "troll". (sign of obsession btw)
! Also a strong indicator of another account with more than 9 posts.


Fun drivel and circular logic! Hooray!

[Varsha]

The meaning of being in a guild is to have a common idea of what you want and a common goal. If I were running a guild it would be people who enjoy playing their main, don't mind passing gear to mains who contribute over alts, people who are fun to shoot the shit with in vent and look out for each other and last of all people who aren't looking for just status, loot and engage in training other people for loot or whatever.

I think they have a common goal. Its just different than what you would like it to be. You not running their guild, they are.

I think everyone would agree that its more fun to play with friendly people, nice people than playing with people with a temper or simply assholes. But nice friendly people are not always good at the game. And sadly if you wanna raid, you need to get things done.

So at some point you have to put the nice part aside and get good at what you do. You need to put up with the not always nice people if you want to push further. You might have a surprise in the end and find out that the not so nice people can be the best teammates you will ever have, cause even if they not friendly, they have your back.

<3

[quido]

Shit if you think TMO is bad, you should see how IB was when they were winning. =)

[Alarti0001]

If you didn't pick it up, I was basically joking at the troll part. If you haven't read my posts majority of them are in all seriousness until someone comes and trolls the thread. My name is in fact a troll, based on all the names and stupid stuff on the forums and based on a typical troll name. This is my account to call any bullshit from any side, regardless of what is it. I probably have 10-15 posts that have any relevance to TMO, which is exactly what I was getting at. The rest are in response to different people who tried trolling the thread or have been complete wash-outs on these forums, at which point I don't mind having a little fun. If you're hinting that I thought people actually thought this wasn't an anon account, that is just dumb and doesn't make any sense. You probably need to go back and re-read. Even though you try to be witty in posts, you fail at reading comprehension.

Secondly, literally have no other anon accounts, why would you need 2 anon accounts when you can post what you want from one? Just doesn't make sense to me. I guess it would if you banned or something on a previous account. I just speak up more than now because there is still quite a few people in TMO who think they don't deserve their shit reputation. And if you missed any previous posts, the obsession remark was based on that I was supposedly obsessed with TMO, or is it I'm obsessed with trolling or both I guess now.


Anyway, yeah winning normally adds toxic players I will agree with that. I feel like a lot of people can be good at Everquest if you put the time into it, Everquest is a time game. The more time you sink, the better geared you are, the more you know the game mechanics, the better player you are. Some people are faster learners than others but it is still the same example for majority of players. If you find people who are willing to learn, spend the time to play the game and are all around good people, you don't need as many people to kill a mob or deal with shitty attitude or whatever it may be players. This is seen time and time again with people killing mobs with few numbers. If you are a good recruiter, love your guild, share the common goal, you can find other players like yourself and form a good guild in time and continue to push. People who want to play by the rules and enjoy fair game and are less loot minded and more for a central strong core. If you haven't figured it out yet, Everquest is unbeatable. The mobs keep spawning, so if you are enjoying yourself, have a close core of friends, and get to kill dragons on a semi-regular basis and see all the content over time it should be more value to someone then say killing the mob 100 times with a huge zerg of people that there is a bunch of randoms, people who could be RMTing, all that other shit.


Who said anything about additional anon accounts? Go back and re-read.

[Ahldagor]

looks like dredge is back

[Alarti0001]

Derp

Yes another account.... nothing was said about whether or not it was anonymous? C u eevin reed?

[Susvain2]

omg this thread became the WORST as soon as rellapse posted. luls joshua lil faggy boi