Haste Stacking.. Does Bard Haste stack with Chanter/shammy/item Haste

[knottyb0y]

Hey

I am sitting here looking through my songs and wondering if all bard haste songs will stack with enchanter/shaman haste spells or if only some of them will (if so which ones). Also I'm pretty sure the songs stack with haste items but if anyone has a definite answer I'd really appreciate the help. I'm having trouble finding a clear answer on this issue, and really need to study up to maximize my bardic knowledge!

[Braveguard]

I figure the quickest way to get you some informed responses is to offer my own less-informed response.

Yes, they stack... up to a max limit. You have three haste "buckets"... spell, song and item.

[Trimm]

Spell, Song and item haste all stack up to a max of 74-75% haste. Multiples of the same types of haste do not stack, and the game will use the higher of the two.

[Deric]

In terms of classic(now):

-Songs and Spell hastes do NOT stack. (The higher % will take effect only)
-Multiple pieces of equipment haste do NOT stack. (The higher % will take effect only)

So: 1 song or spell + 1 haste equipment is the fastest you will get at this time.


...... ..

In Velious(Far into future of p99):

-There are 2 songs that WILL stack, but you cannot not exceed the 100% cap for lvl 60.

[guineapig]

I figure the quickest way to get you some informed responses is to offer my own less-informed response.

Yes, they stack... up to a max limit. You have three haste "buckets"... spell, song and item.

Spell and song hastes do not stack. You are thinking of haste version 2 and overhaste which comes out much much later.

Current classic server example:

You have a chanter and bard in your group

Bard sings: Jonthan's Provocation

1: Increase Attack Speed by 48% (L45) to 50% (L47)
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)

Enchanter casts: Swift Like the Wind

1: Increase Attack Speed by 60%

The player (bard) with get:
1: Increase Attack Speed by 60% from the enchanter
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard

Add any lame haste item such as a Swirlspine belt (16% haste)
and you are at the haste cap for a level 50 player.

[Otto]

Spell and song hastes do not stack. You are thinking of haste version 2 and overhaste which comes out much much later.

Current classic server example:

You have a chanter and bard in your group

Bard sings: Jonthan's Provocation

1: Increase Attack Speed by 48% (L45) to 50% (L47)
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)

Enchanter casts: Swift Like the Wind

1: Increase Attack Speed by 60%

The players with get:
1: Increase Attack Speed by 60% from the enchanter
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard

Add any lame haste item such as a Swirlspine belt (16% haste)
and you are at the haste cap for a level 50 player.

This.

[knottyb0y]

Thank you very much for the clarification. it was hard finding "classic" info on this

[astuce999]

Chicanery explained it very well, unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears.

People are determined not to hear the truth, and 10 years after the game came out they still think that bard song haste and chanter hastes stacks.

They`re not talking about overhaste, just plain old song haste.

You`ll even have monks saying that their epic is awesome because the haste click is `song` haste and that it stacks with both spell and item haste.

cheers!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

V1 V2 V3, I'm not sure which is which based on the official responses, but the basic idea is~

V1 is item haste
V2 is spell/most songs haste
V3 is stacking bard haste

These stack additively to 100% (unsure if this got changed, I know it's 100% in kunark at least D=)

V3 hastes do not exist yet--It was either kunark or velious which added the first stacking haste (mcxavius? fk, i don't play a bard! :P) which stacked but was not a 'cap breaker' which could put you over 100% The first cap breaker was warsong of the vah shir, a luclin song, which gave bards a purpose again in the raiding scene with all the dragons having -300/-400 on their aoe's making resist stacking !@#$ing impossible on things with aoe's :P with their pulling ability in kunark / vel went to shit due to it all being indoors, except in the rare exception of PoGrowth. Also, fucking fistbump for mobs being 'fade-immune' in luclin eh? :P But this is ranting, in synopsis

Item haste + highest haste on you will = your haste and the 'effects' (str, atk, ac, etc) will only take the highest of each (so no putting on a bard song with +atk and then getting a VoG with +atk as well...VoG was +atk right? or ac? it's been so long D=)

[Emoqq]

Arent there other haste effects which can further stack though?

I.e. Your wearing FBSS 21% and have Augmentation 26%, and your using Executioners Axe. It procs, you should still get its bonus, on top of your 47% haste.

[MiRo2]

Spell and song hastes do not stack.

True

Bard sings: Jonthan's Provocation

1: Increase Attack Speed by 48% (L45) to 50% (L47)
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)

Enchanter casts: Swift Like the Wind

1: Increase Attack Speed by 60%

The players with get:
1: Increase Attack Speed by 60% from the enchanter
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard


Only untrue because Jonthan line is self only. Replace with with any other haste + effect song(Anthe de Arms, Villa's Verses of Celerity, McVaxius Berserker Crescendo, Verses of Victory) and this will be true.

*Edit*

Source http://cloud.prohosting.com/~talone/HasteData.htm

[Reiker]

Arent there other haste effects which can further stack though?

I.e. Your wearing FBSS 21% and have Augmentation 26%, and your using Executioners Axe. It procs, you should still get its bonus, on top of your 47% haste.

In this scenario, the Haste buff and the Augmentation buff icons will stack, however the haste portions will not stack. You will gain the +50% haste from Executioner's Axe and the AGI/AC buff of Augmentation, giving you +71% haste. When the Haste proc wears off you will be back to 47% haste.

I believe "overhaste" wasn't introduced until Warsong of the Vah Shir in Luclin which provides 25% v3 haste.

[Comapavik]

There is a "stackable" haste song in Velious called Melody of Ervaj. I don't think it can put you over the cap, but it stacks with spells + items + other songs I believe. I didn't use it much, think it was pretty much crap.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Arent there other haste effects which can further stack though?

I.e. Your wearing FBSS 21% and have Augmentation 26%, and your using Executioners Axe. It procs, you should still get its bonus, on top of your 47% haste.

The exe axe proc is spell haste, and would overwrite your aug in haste %, but you'd keep the benefits of aug (AC? I think :P) so the aug buff would stay on giving the appearance of haste stacking. This is where the confusion tends to lie.

edit: beat to it by the reikiaayarruyuu!...the ninja warrior o_O

[Ruckmaul]

So Burnout series for mage pets keeps the stat buffs and just the haste is overwritten by Shammy/Enc haste?

[guineapig]

You just need to ignore 95% of what Chicanery says. He's wrong about the Haste cap thing too.


So wait, you admit I was right now?

[guineapig]

True
Only untrue because Jonthan line is self only.



Sorry typo, meant to write player not players.

[Hasbinbad]

Has anyone actually tested any of this on p99, or are you all posting on conjecture of what classic was?

[Braveguard]

Spell and song hastes do not stack. You are thinking of haste version 2 and overhaste which comes out much much later.

Current classic server example:

You have a chanter and bard in your group

Bard sings: Jonthan's Provocation

1: Increase Attack Speed by 48% (L45) to 50% (L47)
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72)

Enchanter casts: Swift Like the Wind

1: Increase Attack Speed by 60%

The player (bard) with get:
1: Increase Attack Speed by 60% from the enchanter
2: Increase STR by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard
4: Increase ATK by 13 (L45) to 20 (L72) from the bard

Add any lame haste item such as a Swirlspine belt (16% haste)
and you are at the haste cap for a level 50 player.

I told you that would be the quick way to get a good answer, LOL! Yeah, I never worried too much about it. I've never played a hasting class (*gasp*) and I've always trusted people to know their own job so it's never occured to me to figure it out. And I was remembering the bard overhaste... thus my confusion.

[Cogwell]

V1 V2 V3, I'm not sure which is which based on the official responses, but the basic idea is~

V1 is item haste
V2 is spell/most songs haste
V3 is stacking bard haste



That is incorrect. V1 (although I dont think it's actually called that), would be song/spell haste.

V2 is from specific bard songs, which stack with V1 but won't put you over the cap of 100% at lvl 60.

V3 is overhaste, which does the same as V2 but isn't capped.

[Cogwell]

Chicanery explained it very well, unfortunately it will fall on deaf ears.

People are determined not to hear the truth, and 10 years after the game came out they still think that bard song haste and chanter hastes stacks.

They`re not talking about overhaste, just plain old song haste.

You`ll even have monks saying that their epic is awesome because the haste click is `song` haste and that it stacks with both spell and item haste.

cheers!

How true. I think the largest problems come from the fact that the icons stack, and thus they assume the haste stacks.

[guineapig]

It would have been so easy for them to just add a haste % tracker in the UI back in the day, but Verant was all about keeping the numbers a mystery.

[Rogean]

V2 haste is only the bard Ervaj line or whatever, and as mentioned it will stack with v1 but only brings you to 100%.

v3 stacks with the other two but will only go up to 125% max (This wasn't an issue until soe changed overhaste from 25 to 30)

[Reiker]

So wait, you admit I was right now?

Um, I never mentioned anything about haste caps? I said you were wrong to say it was pointless to get item haste above 16%, and I'm sticking to that.

[guineapig]

Um, I never mentioned anything about haste caps? I said you were wrong to say it was pointless to get item haste above 16%, and I'm sticking to that.

You just need to ignore 95% of what Chicanery says. He's wrong about the Haste cap thing too.

Sorry to have misunderstood you.

[Reiker]

I love when a strong sexy black man takes me from behind.

Hey, I can do it too!

[guineapig]

Hey, I can do it too!

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?p=120282#post120282

Did I fake the entire webpage?

[Reiker]

No, however you quoted something from a completely different thread, and tried to pretend I said it here, which is pretty lols. I give this troll a D-.

[guineapig]

I was merely asking if you admit I was correct when you claimed I was wrong. That was the extent of it. I wasn't pretending anything. I even used a direct quote to ensure you knew what I was talking about...
/shrug

A simple yes or no answer would have sufficed.
Trolling was not intended... at least not on my part (I believe it was you that threw buttsex into the mix).

[astuce999]

I used the wayback machine yay!

http://web.archive.org/web/20050221214450/www.eqdiva.com/EQ/Guide.aspx?id=9&ForumID=132

it shows how haste works very well, here's an excerpt :

There are 4 versions of haste.
For every type of haste, only the highest percentage haste
is applied. The other stats granted by an ability are still in
effect, which is usually what skews people's perception of how
haste works.

v0 == item haste
v1 == icon haste (songs, spells, right-clicks)
v2 == ervaj line of songs type haste
v3 == vah shir / rizlona's / ranger AA type haste

v0 + v1 + v2 (equal or less then) 100 percent haste.

v3 may go over 100 percent haste. v3 doesn't only increase
the cap, it actually grants that percentage of haste as well.