Thanks Sirken

[Juevento]

I was gonna post this in the other thread but it got closed before I finished quickly scrolling past the Alarti/Hitpoint/Lazie drivel.

But thank you Sirken and staff for seeing through that nasty bit of business in Fear. The process took longer to work through then I am certain anyone wanted, but I think the correct decision was made.

I am hopeful that going forward, the precedent of a guild getting time off for one of their members training is a strong deterrent in abating this type of behavior.

Let's try to keep shitty behavior to RnF in the future and out of the game. That's what this place is here for after all.

[Troubled]

I was gonna post this in the other thread but it got closed before I finished quickly scrolling past the Alarti/Hitpoint/Lazie drivel.

But thank you Sirken and staff for seeing through that nasty bit of business in Fear. The process took longer to work through then I am certain anyone wanted, but I think the correct decision was made.

I am hopeful that going forward, the precedent of a guild getting time off for one of their members training is a strong deterrent in abating this type of behavior.

Let's try to keep shitty behavior to RnF in the future and out of the game. That's what this place is here for after all.

[Kekephee]

Third

[Hitpoint]

Yes thank you Sirken. Objectively, I think this punishment is acceptable and it will quiet the whiners.

Totally not worth the two weeks of RNF though Chest. Maybe next time you idiots can keep it in the petition section where it belongs and let Sirken do his job.

[Hitpoint]

^ Turned an open and shut case into a complete shitshow.

[Uteunayr]

I find myself in complete agreement with my guildies above.

[sanforce]

Yes, thanks for shutting this shit-show down Sirken.

2 weeks is the acceptable punishment for a first time trainer.

TMO is ok with tossing IB a Draco lifeline when they are on the cusp of falling apart.

[Skittlez]

7th

[Man0warr]

Totally not worth the two weeks of RNF though Chest. Maybe next time you idiots can keep it in the petition section where it belongs and let Sirken do his job.

It didn't go public for like 4 days - Sirken dubbed it a raid disagreement then told the two parties to figure it out. TMO saw it as a personal matter for Dinacarl, so there was zero chance of an agreement happening - TMO wasn't going to accept any sort of suspension for themselves.

So Chest threw it out to the raid forum to try to get Rogean's attention. Not like he went straight to RnF.

[Hitpoint]

It didn't go public for like 4 days - Sirken dubbed it a raid disagreement then told the two parties to figure it out. TMO saw it as a personal matter for Dinacarl, so there was zero chance of an agreement happening - TMO wasn't going to accept any sort of suspension for themselves.

So Chest threw it out to the raid forum to try to get Rogean's attention. Not like he went straight to RnF.

The petition got tossed back because you claimed it was a raid issue, and demanded a raid suspension in the petition. Had you submitted that fraps and expected a player suspension, that's what you would have gotten.

In negotiations, Chest would accept no less than a raid suspension. I'm sure if this exact punishment was offered to TMO we would have accepted it.

You could have been smarter negotiators, or more savvy petitioners. Instead, Chest opted for the TMO smearing, attention whoring path. I heard the rest of BDA was pretty reasonable, so I apologize for generalizing. However, you should be ashamed of what Chest did to this situation.

[Nivar Quartz]

There's some decent RnF going on in other threads and you nerds are still posting about the noone cares Dinacarl accidental train, let it go nerds..

[Archalen]

Yes thank you Sirken. Objectively, I think this punishment is acceptable and it will quiet the whiners.

Totally not worth the two weeks of RNF though Chest. Maybe next time you idiots can keep it in the petition section where it belongs and let Sirken do his job.

Yes, we all believe you are very objective.

[Lazie]

It didn't go public for like 4 days - Sirken dubbed it a raid disagreement then told the two parties to figure it out. TMO saw it as a personal matter for Dinacarl, so there was zero chance of an agreement happening - TMO wasn't going to accept any sort of suspension for themselves.

So Chest threw it out to the raid forum to try to get Rogean's attention. Not like he went straight to RnF.

GM says do one thing...Chest does another. Having unreasonable expectations for what should happen doesn't warrant you taking everything to the raid discussion forum simply because you have a blind fury for a guild. You simply keep working for a compromise and then ask again for GM involvement if you can't come to an agreement. It is funny Chest's stance towards some of these players now though. At one time some of them were in BDA and valued members like a few of you now. I guess moving on from Chest's guild makes them terrible people somehow.

[Fountree]

GM says do one thing...Chest does another. Having unreasonable expectations for what should happen doesn't warrant you taking everything to the raid discussion forum simply because you have a blind fury for a guild. You simply keep working for a compromise and then ask again for GM involvement if you can't come to an agreement. It is funny Chest's stance towards some of these players now though. At one time some of them were in BDA and valued members like a few of you now. I guess moving on from Chest's guild makes them terrible people somehow.

When will this non-factor shut the fuck up alrdy?

[Archalen]

There's some decent RnF going on in other threads and you nerds are still posting about the noone cares Dinacarl accidental train, let it go nerds..

Navir dropping the nerd bomb in every other sentence like a pro, taking a page out of Sirken's book

[Lazie]

When will this non-factor shut the fuck up alrdy?

I don't know when will you stop typing ?

[Sirken]

yw <3

[Alarti0001]

When will this non-factor shut the fuck up alrdy?

^^^ LOL Irony.

[Derubael]

Can you guys go shit up another thread? There's plenty of other places to argue in RnF.

Thanks for being understanding. We would have preferred to wrap up that train the day we found out about it and treating is as a non-raid dispute, but BDA wanted to pursue the issue as a raid dispute and we wanted to respect that. We really, really (seriously, desperately) want you guys to start working out all disputes on your own. It takes a huge burden off our shoulders and allows us to spend more time on the majority of the player-base and their problems. The ~340 petition threads in the petition forum shows just how much attention is required by the CSR staff on a day-to-day basis.

As we continue to work out the growing pains of this system, we hope guilds will be able to cooperate and negotiate more efficiently and effectively. What we really want is for everyone to work together to have fun, regardless of class. This will make our lives easier and let everyone enjoy the game more, while allowing everyone to feel as though they are part of a community that they themselves rule over.

We know it's going to take a little while to get adjusted, but once that happens we hope the entire server can run more smoothly, with less drama and tension, and more fun.

[Glenzig]

But most of these people only have fun if there is drama/tension. Its what they want.

[Ele]

But most of these people only have fun if there is drama/tension. Its what they want.

We must entertain them.

[zanderklocke]

Can you guys go shit up another thread? There's plenty of other places to argue in RnF.

Thanks for being understanding. We would have preferred to wrap up that train the day we found out about it and treating is as a non-raid dispute, but BDA wanted to pursue the issue as a raid dispute and we wanted to respect that. We really, really (seriously, desperately) want you guys to start working out all disputes on your own. It takes a huge burden off our shoulders and allows us to spend more time on the majority of the player-base and their problems. The ~340 petition threads in the petition forum shows just how much attention is required by the CSR staff on a day-to-day basis.

As we continue to work out the growing pains of this system, we hope guilds will be able to cooperate and negotiate more efficiently and effectively. What we really want is for everyone to work together to have fun, regardless of class. This will make our lives easier and let everyone enjoy the game more, while allowing everyone to feel as though they are part of a community that they themselves rule over.

We know it's going to take a little while to get adjusted, but once that happens we hope the entire server can run more smoothly, with less drama and tension, and more fun.

Is there a general definition somewhere or can one be created so it becomes apparent what is a raid dispute and what is a player dispute?

[zanderklocke]

Is there a general definition somewhere or can one be created so it becomes apparent what is a raid dispute and what is a player dispute?

Actually even just defining what a raid is would be helpful.

[Derubael]

Is there a general definition somewhere or can one be created so it becomes apparent what is a raid dispute and what is a player dispute?

Raid dispute = raid target, player dispute = everything else. There are some exceptions to this, but that's a good guideline to follow.

[Derubael]

Actually even just defining what a raid is would be helpful.

From Additional Raid Rules FAQ in Raid Discussion forum ;) :
Q: What is considered a "raid" on Project 1999?
A: A raid is any group of players looking to engage a raid target OR any force consisting of more than one group united in a common goal. This means that three people can be considered a raid if they intend to kill Dracoliche, or 20 people clearing fear trash. Most epic NPC's are not strictly considered "raid" mobs. The exception to this is Ragefire, which is considered a 'raid target' for the purposes of qualifying a group as a raid only. For all other intents and purposes, Ragefire is treated like an Epic NPC (IE, camp/poopsock rules do not apply). Please keep in mind that because of the need to clear to a raid target as per our new raid policy, trains enacted on players in the way of your raid are considered raid disputes and action could be taken against your guild as a whole, even though the victims are not part of a raid. It is in your best interest to be very careful when racing for a target.

[Servellious]

Can you guys go shit up another thread? There's plenty of other places to argue in RnF.

Thanks for being understanding. We would have preferred to wrap up that train the day we found out about it and treating is as a non-raid dispute, but BDA wanted to pursue the issue as a raid dispute and we wanted to respect that. We really, really (seriously, desperately) want you guys to start working out all disputes on your own. It takes a huge burden off our shoulders and allows us to spend more time on the majority of the player-base and their problems. The ~340 petition threads in the petition forum shows just how much attention is required by the CSR staff on a day-to-day basis.

As we continue to work out the growing pains of this system, we hope guilds will be able to cooperate and negotiate more efficiently and effectively. What we really want is for everyone to work together to have fun, regardless of class. This will make our lives easier and let everyone enjoy the game more, while allowing everyone to feel as though they are part of a community that they themselves rule over.

We know it's going to take a little while to get adjusted, but once that happens we hope the entire server can run more smoothly, with less drama and tension, and more fun.

You want one thing but just rewarded people for doing the opposite. Expect more work your self

[Alarti0001]

But most of these people only have fun if there is drama/tension. Its what they want.

Do you think humanity could survive without conflict in our current state?

[Glenzig]

Do you think humanity could survive without conflict in our current state?

Is this a game related question?

[khanable]

Good week guys

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[Alarti0001]

Is this a game related question?

Its a human related question. Some humans play games.

[zanderklocke]

Raid dispute = raid target, player dispute = everything else. There are some exceptions to this, but that's a good guideline to follow.

Yeah...I can see how the exceptions and your quote just below can cause to confusing issues like the issue we had this week.

One guild thinks it's a raid dispute and the other doesn't.

However, maybe people should just stop acting like morans (spelling for you, Jeremy) and stop intentionally training. This would give you guys less headaches.

[Glenzig]

Its a human related question. Some humans play games.

Can humans survive without conflict? I would say absolutely.

[Alarti0001]

Can humans survive without conflict? I would say absolutely.

I would disagree at our current and historical state. Why do you think they could?

[Glenzig]

I would disagree at our current and historical state. Why do you think they could?

Not sure if you're asking if it would be possible for humans to attain peace, or if the human race would die if peace were attained. So I'm not.really sure how to answer that.

[Juevento]

So I made this thread cause the other relevant one was locked. Please take the RnF chirping elsewhere as this isn't the place for it.

Anyways to Deru, I think we get what you guys are looking for in terms of cooperation and perhaps one day we'll get there. But it might be a little too soon for that.

There is a lot of bad blood that goes back years between the parties in this particular dispute. I think things absolutely could have been handled better by both sides. I hope in the future they will be (or better yet there will not be a need to resolve disputes). Thanks for putting up with us.

I don't envy having to deal with all the crap that you guys get thrown into your lap and wanted to show some love!

[sanforce]

So I made this thread cause the other relevant one was locked. Please take the RnF chirping elsewhere as this isn't the place for it.


Maybe post in Server Chat and RNF? Just an idea.

[sanforce]

and not* RNF

again, wtb edit button

[Alarti0001]

Not sure if you're asking if it would be possible for humans to attain peace, or if the human race would die if peace were attained. So I'm not.really sure how to answer that.

Ahhh let me clarify. I'm not talking about war and peace. Its more of a literal conflict, adversity, challenge, competition. Do you think humans could exist in a word without scarcity where would wouldn't have to compete for resources, status, mates, attention etc.

[Lazie]

Maybe post in Server Chat and RNF? Just an idea.

It's Juevento. Common sense isn't his strong suit.

[Glenzig]

Ahhh let me clarify. I'm not talking about war and peace. Its more of a literal conflict, adversity, challenge, competition. Do you think humans could exist in a word without scarcity where would wouldn't have to compete for resources, status, mates, attention etc.

Yes. Humans need food, water, and sleep to survive. Not competition.

[Tiggles]

Yes. Humans need food, water, and sleep to survive. Not competition.

Casual humans maybe

[Alarti0001]

Yes. Humans need food, water, and sleep to survive. Not competition.

Are humans really still a part of humanity if they only exist for basic life needs?

[Glenzig]

Are humans really still a part of humanity if they only exist for basic life needs?

Wasn't your question.

[Alarti0001]

Wasn't your question.

Sure it is. Humans are defined by community.

[Archalen]

Ahhh let me clarify. I'm not talking about war and peace. Its more of a literal conflict, adversity, challenge, competition. Do you think humans could exist in a word without scarcity where would wouldn't have to compete for resources, status, mates, attention etc.

If you mean strictly interpersonal conflict (which every word above certainly qualifies for but is not limited to), I think we could survive and in fact thrive without it.

[Glenzig]

Sure it is. Humans are defined by community.

You're implying that if a person isn't bickering, gossiping, fighting, causing fights, and just all around being a jerk that they aren't actually human? Is that your definition of community?

[Hitpoint]

So I made this thread cause the other relevant one was locked. Please take the RnF chirping elsewhere as this isn't the place for it.


Well this is RNF, and you flamed me in the OP...