Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Splorf22]

and enable tagging

[quido]

I second this motion.

[khanable]

I'm for this

[Ambrotos]

Raid disputes should be public for anyone to see. I think some of us had hope that the raid section could be used to work it out between guilds before staff came down on people.

Have an issue with someone training your raid? Post fraps and information as to what happened. Other guild responds by either grasping at straws or admits they fucked up and go from there.

It really does work out well when everything is visible and people can't deflect and twist shit around when the truth is there to see.

[quido]

we should start appointing impartial juries from the people

[khanable]

just make greengrocer the mediator

[Antarctica]

Not all guilds fall under "other guilds," Ambrotos. Some guilds will never raise the white flag.

[bktroost]

we should start appointing impartial juries from the people

So... RnFs with authority?

[Tiggles]

Better suggestion:

Remove all officers from Raid discussion and each guild selects two forum trolls to represent them in all raid disputes.

Alarti/Tiggles 2014

[Ambrotos]

You are worth two alone Tiggles baby. You don't need a underling to help you.

[Tiggles]

You are worth two alone Tiggles baby. You don't need a underling to help you.

When his comedy partner behaves eccentrically, the straight man's response ranges from aplomb to outrage, or from patience to frustration. He makes his partner look all the more ridiculous by being completely serious.

ok Tiggles/Xatsen

[Lazie]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

[Ambrotos]

Xasten would work. He's always been cool in my book.

[Antarctica]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

It doesn't matter what happened before. Training is illegal. Chest could have denied TMO/GT entry to his orgy, told all of you to fuck off, called your mother a whore, and still training would not be justified.

Get yourself "neo TMO," and raise the white flag for the betterment of this server.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Xasten would work. He's always been cool in my book.

http://i.imgur.com/JCsW9dm.gif

[quido]

what an honor

[Lazie]

It doesn't matter what happened before. Training is illegal. Chest could have denied TMO/GT entry to his orgy, told all of you to fuck off, called your mother a whore, and still training would not be justified.

Get yourself "neo TMO," and raise the white flag for the betterment of this server.

Um... It does matter because BDA cannot zone in and disrupt the zone by monopolizing the spawns. Especially if they are the 2nd party into the zone. They have to talk to the other people in zone and ask them to choose which camp/mobs they want before proceding. That is the server rules and attempts were made to work this out with them. They also cannot pull their "train" through an existing party in the zone (Which happened).

Again we were legitimately trying to put together an AE for the rest of the zone when we saw they were being unreasonable and trying to monopolize the zone without consideration for other people already in the zone a full 30 minutes ahead of them. It caused the clusterfuck of 2 guilds trying to pull and having mobs and trains cross other people in the zone. I am not debating if the train was intentional or not as I was not the guy playing the character and have no idea what was going through his head or his intentions. I know in vent the monks were told to start an AE pull. No one was told to "Train the other guild".

[Man0warr]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

These logs look pretty doctored to me - our batphone was called at 5:21 central and we zoned in about 20 minutes later. It was definitely before 6:00 when we zoned in.

[Ambrotos]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

It doesn't matter if you did or not anyways. People are allowed to raid where they want, when they want. This includes 1-10 guilds in fear/hate/sky(player made agreement has prevented this). It can also include two guilds AOEing in fear. As long as you don't train people, and take other peoples pulls there isn't a disruption. In extreme cases 2 perople pling by aoeing unrest/bb or bards in dreadlands swam kiting is what that rule was aboutMonopolizing most or all of the kills in an area. 20 mobs in a zone with 200+ isn't monopolizing on either side.

The best part is you just undermined your own co-leaders grasp at straws at some idea bda was breaking the rules. Claiming aoeing fear is a disruption when you claim you intended to do the same thing? wtf

8. You may not disrupt the normal playability of a zone or area.

Zone/Area Disruption is defined as any activity designed to harm or inconvenience a number of groups rather than a specific player or group of players. This includes, but is not limited to::

-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area.

Why was BDA in violation of the server Play-nice-Policy by occupying Plane of Fear while it was currently being raided by Genocidal Tendencies?

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.


This is why chardok aoe groups are allowed. People can still exp in chardok with the same difficult type mobs in the zone.

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

[Ambrotos]

what an honor

You were cool in my book too till you went red.

[Man0warr]

Also, TMO never had more than 5 people in zone the entire time we were there.

Unbrella's stated goal the whole time was to "kill Shivers/Fetids", straight from his mouth. You guys weren't planning to do an AE clear, so stop your lying Lazie.

It's obvious the last week or so that you are a TMO leadership dick sucker who will do anything to look good in their eyes.

[JayN]

actually you cant have an exp grp in chardok while an aoe grp is going, your grp will die and most likely the aoe grp

[Man0warr]

actually you cant have an exp grp in chardok while an aoe grp is going, your grp will die and most likely the aoe grp

Sure you can, you just can't petition that you died because of a train from the AE'ers. Gone in many times and camped Betrayer while AoE was going on.

[Lazie]

It doesn't matter if you did or not anyways. People are allowed to raid where they want, when they want. This includes 1-10 guilds in fear/hate/sky(player made agreement has prevented this). It can also include two guilds AOEing in fear. As long as you don't train people, and take other peoples pulls there isn't a disruption. In extreme cases 2 perople pling by aoeing unrest/bb or bards in dreadlands swam kiting is what that rule was about 20 mobs in a zone with 200+ isn't monopolizing on either side.

The best part is you just undermined your own co-leaders grasp at straws at some idea bda was breaking the rules. Claiming aoeing fear is a disruption when you claim you intended to do the same thing? wtf





This is why chardok aoe groups are allowed. People can still exp in chardok with the same difficult type mobs in the zone.

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

You actually don't know the server rules that you were a GM of ? Interesting.

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.


Now this is a recent update via Derubael so you may not know about it.

[Lazie]

You should probably stop trying to be a backseat GM as you are no longer on the staff or at least try to read the PNP now.

[Lazie]

AoE is allowed in chardok and other zones when other people are not there to contest it by the way. If another group shows up the original people in the zone must compromise with them and let them have a camp.

[Tiggles]

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

I can sympathize with Chestie

I'd be upset as well if losing a fear clear an 80% of the content my guild cleared that month.

It's too bad his petition will fall on deaf ears since the new Swtor Xpac is coming out next month.

[Ambrotos]

Sure you can, you just can't petition that you died because of a train from the AE'ers. Gone in many times and camped Betrayer while AoE was going on.

I would disagree. If you know a group moved there, you can't pull all your mobs through there or whatever. Sitting at zone in negates anything a AOE group's claim imo. That would be incidentally training them, but still a train and punishable.

There are areas in chardok where the train pulls don't agro or even come close to. I always pointed out those areas to people who would petition. I would say those areas are safer to fight in than anywhere in the zone asides from zone out.

In the end, aoeing chardok can be a disruption. Players have worked it out so there hasn't been an issue.

[Man0warr]

Maybe in the rules it's wrong, but no AE group has been stopped or punished for training a group doing Betrayer.

AE group has no claim because they are at zone in, but you'd also have to be an idiot to get intentionally trained to try and get the AE group in trouble.

[Lazie]

Maybe in the rules it's wrong, but no AE group has been stopped or punished for training a group doing Betrayer.

AE group has no claim because they are at zone in, but you'd also have to be an idiot to get intentionally trained to try and get the AE group in trouble.

Yeah. I can agree and usually most people only want a pipe that go to Chardok and if they talk to the AE group (At least the ones I have been in). They are more than happy to surrender one pipe when he spawns than to deal with the headache of a betrayer group wiping or causing an AE wipe by cross aggroing their pull.

[Ambrotos]

You actually don't know the server rules that you were a GM of ? Interesting.

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.


Now this is a recent update via Derubael so you may not know about it.


Just stop. Someone really needs to pull your chain back and call you off.

Area ≠ Entire zone. Using your logic someone could zone into guk and say they want to kill a frog and don't want anyone else to and can petition.

[Hitpoint]

I think BDA should be mad about this. But I see no reason why this is any different than someone training a group in lower guk or kc. Except that Chest posted it in the raid discussion section, demanding attention.

[Lazie]

Just stop. Someone really needs to pull your chain back and call you off.

Area ≠ Entire zone. Using your logic someone could zone into guk and say they want to kill a frog and don't want anyone else to and can petition.

No it is you not understanding. The rules state a reasonable compromise. Try to actually read and understand. If people are being unreasonable (Which the leadership of BDA was in the case of fear) then it usually escalates to GMs being involved. You are the one that should stop now btw and take time to read and comprehend.

[Fael]

Ambrotos speaks the truth. Its come up before, and specifically stated that if there is a group in the tunnels, then ae group would have to pull around them and face consequences of training them.

Generally, guilds honor the fact that other people were in a zone. They either talk to them, or move on.

I guess BDA isnt going to honor that going forward, which is fine. But ignoring long standing customs may have an adverse effect on the current fear/hate raid scene.
They're attitude as an entire guild toward TMO players is pathetic, and its fostered ill will both ways. Im sick of it.


Dolic

[Tiggles]

Thread is getting off track, can we remember how Chest thinks he is a GM and if his guild muzzled him they might actually not be despised by the staff at large?

[Ambrotos]

Maybe in the rules it's wrong, but no AE group has been stopped or punished for training a group doing Betrayer.

AE group has no claim because they are at zone in, but you'd also have to be an idiot to get intentionally trained to try and get the AE group in trouble.



In the end, aoeing chardok can be a disruption. Players have worked it out so there hasn't been an issue.


In the case of Chardok players have always worked it out great. Like I said there was never an issue about it and staff never had to get involved.

[Emsee]

As much as Dinacarl deserves whatever he gets for that, Chest deserves as much for his assanine response.

[Ambrotos]

No it is you not understanding. The rules state a reasonable compromise. Try to actually read and understand. If people are being unreasonable (Which the leadership of BDA was in the case of fear) then it usually escalates to GMs being involved. You are the one that should stop now btw and take time to read and comprehend.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a12e21f43fd0db7c51edf19b39ea67c/tumblr_n1tjxbgLLn1ssbvp5o1_500.gif

[Orruar]

No it is you not understanding. The rules state a reasonable compromise. Try to actually read and understand. If people are being unreasonable (Which the leadership of BDA was in the case of fear) then it usually escalates to GMs being involved. You are the one that should stop now btw and take time to read and comprehend.

Are you competing for the most retarded person on the P99 forums? You'll have some stiff competition from Glenzig and r00t, but you're giving it a strong showing. Keep arguing about how sharing a zone is wrong when it has been shared literally hundreds of times in the past and you might just take gold.

[Lazie]

Are you competing for the most retarded person on the P99 forums? You'll have some stiff competition from Glenzig and r00t, but you're giving it a strong showing. Keep arguing about how sharing a zone is wrong when it has been shared literally hundreds of times in the past and you might just take gold.

Uh I never said sharing the zone is wrong. I said specificially that you must share the spawns and can't manipulate them. You have to come to a reasonable compromise with other parties as they enter the zone. The people coming into the zone must compromise as well.

[Locust]

I think BDA should be mad about this. But I see no reason why this is any different than someone training a group in lower guk or kc. Except that Chest posted it in the raid discussion section, demanding attention.

ATTENTION: straws are running out, quick everyone grasp as many as you can!! GOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGO

GO!

[Glenzig]

Are you competing for the most retarded person on the P99 forums? You'll have some stiff competition from Glenzig and r00t, but you're giving it a strong showing. Keep arguing about how sharing a zone is wrong when it has been shared literally hundreds of times in the past and you might just take gold.

Its not your fault.

[JayN]

fuck aoe grps that is all!


ps FUCK CHEST <3 bda

[Splorf22]

No it is you not understanding. The rules state a reasonable compromise. Try to actually read and understand. If people are being unreasonable (Which the leadership of BDA was in the case of fear) then it usually escalates to GMs being involved. You are the one that should stop now btw and take time to read and comprehend.

So your argument is that if you can't reach a compromise that you find satisfactory with another guild you can train them?

/boggle

[Hitpoint]

ATTENTION: straws are running out, quick everyone grasp as many as you can!! GOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGO

GO!

If I got trained in Seb by a BDA person, I wouldn't send the fraps to my officers expecting BDA to get a raid suspension.

[Fountree]

Are you competing for the most retarded person on the P99 forums? You'll have some stiff competition from Glenzig and r00t, but you're giving it a strong showing. Keep arguing about how sharing a zone is wrong when it has been shared literally hundreds of times in the past and you might just take gold.

Think he already won. Prime example of this new guild calling itself "TMO" and its membership.

[Ravager]

If I got trained in Seb by a BDA person, I wouldn't send the fraps to my officers expecting BDA to get a raid suspension.

Not even when it's raid interference?

[Nirgon]

Has the staff ever considered that people think they can get away with shit? And aren't heavy handed enough in their dealings with scum?

[Emsee]

Oh right, old TMO was so squeaky clean, right bro?

[Socratic]

This is fucking stupid. As a TMO member i'm sickened. It's one thing for certain players to be so fucking careless and bad at this game that they train people. It's another thing entirely for fucking moron motherfuckers to think training someone is suddenly a good idea (which is what it looked like), regardless of the fact that this had nothing to do with a real raid target.

Personally I hope all the people involved with this shit get suspended for at least a week. Fucking morons.

Wanting TMO to get raid suspended for fear drama you start by jumping another guild's raid is kinda weak imo, but it's Chest, so I don't think anyone is surprised. Still, these idiots are shameful, regardless of the low class move by BDA.

*Reposted since I was in the wrong damn thread.

[Lazie]

So your argument is that if you can't reach a compromise that you find satisfactory with another guild you can train them?

/boggle

Nope. Never said that either. It seems like we have a case of poor reading comprehension running rampant in this thread.

I honestly can't speak for Dinacarl. I have no clue what his intentions were in that situation. I know we were planning to AE the rest once BDA zoned in and AE'ed most of the mobs left up down. I know the monks were told to gather the mobs to do so and we were talking about the best way to do it with the players we had with us.

[Hitpoint]

Not even when it's raid interference?

I would, if Trakanon was up and probably only if we lost the kill because of it. That's a very different situation though.

[Locust]

If I got trained in Seb by a BDA person, I wouldn't send the fraps to my officers expecting BDA to get a raid suspension.

but... BUT!, WHAT IF you were RAIDING in seb? and you got trained by a BDA person, what then? keyword: raiding (when you have multiple groups of your guild in a raid zone working together to kill stuff)

[Ravager]

I would, if Trakanon was up and probably only if we lost the kill because of it. That's a very different situation though.

So raiding in a raid zone doesn't count as a raid.

[cams]

If I got trained in Seb by a BDA person, I wouldn't send the fraps to my officers expecting BDA to get a raid suspension.

The problem with this logic is that Seb is not inherently a "raid zone". As evidence of this claim, when a guild is on raid suspension they cannot raid Hate/Fear, but they can do whatever they want in Seb (minus killing Trak). Hate/Fear have been given a special designation as raid zones, and as such, disputes resulting from actions in those zones are inherently raid disputes.

That said, I can agree with the ridiculousness of getting suspended for a hate/fear raid... but I also think it is ridiculous you can't raid hate/fear or ragefire while on raid suspension. Ridiculous or not, that is the way it is.

[Antarctica]

Has the staff ever considered that people think they can get away with shit? And aren't heavy handed enough in their dealings with scum?

I think they have considered it in the past and have come down harshly in the past, much to their credit. They just need to do so again, with everyone, in as objective fashion possible--regardless of past dealings with "special people."

[Fuddwin]

Poor Chest (Variety)

[Lazie]

The problem with this logic is that Seb is not inherently a "raid zone". As evidence of this claim, when a guild is on raid suspension they cannot raid Hate/Fear, but they can do whatever they want in Seb (minus killing Trak). Hate/Fear have been given a special designation as raid zones, and as such, disputes resulting from actions in those zones are inherently raid disputes.

That said, I can agree with the ridiculousness of getting suspended for a hate/fear raid... but I also think it is ridiculous you can't raid hate/fear or ragefire while on raid suspension. Ridiculous or not, that is the way it is.

You can 2 man clear Fear trash. I mean I get you guys don't get to raid much but calling an AE group a raid is stretching it a bit.

[Hitpoint]

but... BUT!, WHAT IF you were RAIDING in seb? and you got trained by a BDA person, what then? keyword: raiding (when you have multiple groups of your guild in a raid zone working together to kill stuff)

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

[Lazie]

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

Winner Winner.

[Locust]

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

something about straws

[Juevento]

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

No offense but how the fuck would you know. TMO hasn't been raid suspended under the new rules yet. We're pros at this shit.

[Funkutron5000]

Well, given that IB did a sky raid on Tuesday while under raid suspension and the GMs haven't punished them for it, it would appear goin into the planes while on raid suspension is considered kosher.

[radditsu]

Its all TMOs fault

[khanable]

Sky is, hate and fear are not (from what I recall)

[Orruar]

Nope. Never said that either. It seems like we have a case of poor reading comprehension running rampant in this thread.

I honestly can't speak for Dinacarl. I have no clue what his intentions were in that situation. I know we were planning to AE the rest once BDA zoned in and AE'ed most of the mobs left up down. I know the monks were told to gather the mobs to do so and we were talking about the best way to do it with the players we had with us.

Oh, but of course! Dinacarl was just gathering mobs up for an ae pull and forgot which group of people was his raid! He's innocent!

lol.. ok ok you get the gold, you can stop now

[Antarctica]

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

Only PoSky is allowed.

Well, given that IB did a sky raid on Tuesday while under raid suspension and the GMs haven't punished them for it, it would appear goin into the planes while on raid suspension is considered kosher.

Only PoSky is allowed.

Per Sirken.

[cams]

Well, given that IB did a sky raid on Tuesday while under raid suspension and the GMs haven't punished them for it, it would appear goin into the planes while on raid suspension is considered kosher.

Raid suspension from GMs for IB specifically said sky was ok but hate and fear were not.

[Juevento]

You guys hopefully will get all of this confusion cleared up in time for your upcoming suspension.

[Funkutron5000]

Raid suspension from GMs for IB specifically said sky was ok but hate and fear were not.

Fair enough. That was not noted in the suspension thread so I honestly didn't know!

[Lazie]

Oh, but of course! Dinacarl was just gathering mobs up for an ae pull and forgot which group of people was his raid! He's innocent!

lol.. ok ok you get the gold, you can stop now

As I have stated before I have no clue what his intentions were. I am not making excuses for him (It looks like a train to me). An AE pull was called for that I heard and no one was told to train BDA. The fraps is there you guys can decide for yourselves what it looks like. The issue here is Chest lying again even when trying to draw GM's attention to things and him being unreasonable when trying to resolve situations both before and after this occurred.

No petition should have been put in for it. There was attempts to get this worked out with Chest and the guy simply just rages and gets unreasonable instead of coming to a constructive reasonable compromise.

[Lazie]

That is how you should know your wrong, its that easy

BDA entered Fear half an hour after the TMO group went in breaking it. GT was asked to zone in when it was broken 10 minutes or so before BDA entered the zone.

[Locust]

Winner Winner.

you may have participation credit but should really consider an alternate career path

[Orruar]

As I have stated before I have no clue what his intentions were. ...

Did you watch the video? And you're still unclear on what his intentions are? We're going to have to craft a brand new platinum medal for you, cause gold just isn't good enough for that level of dumb.

[Orruar]

...The issue here is Chest lying again...

Oh I'm sure you would like that to be the issue here. Would be a solid deflection from the actual issue.

[Lazie]

Did you watch the video? And you're still unclear on what his intentions are? We're going to have to craft a brand new platinum medal for you, cause gold just isn't good enough for that level of dumb.

In the post I said it looks like a train to me. Take time to actually read. I know it seems like a foreign concept in this thread but please try. I haven't talked to the guy about it, so I don't know without a doubt that it was 100% intentional. If it was I don't know what his motivations were for it. Maybe he just really wanted that planar monk gear that passionately and he went crazy for a few minutes there. The fraps is there anyone can decide for themselves. I know I was sitting at zone in medding for an AE pull on a 60 chanter because in vent that is what we were discussing.

[Lazie]

Oh I'm sure you would like that to be the issue here. Would be a solid deflection from the actual issue.

You seem to be the one deflecting. I am addressing all sides of the situation as someone that was there.

[Jarnauga]

Poor Lazie only been playing here for 6 months, never knew the classic Hate clears with 3 guilds pulling church

Just stop talking and let the grown ups talk plz

[Lazie]

Poor Lazie only been playing here for 6 months, never knew the classic Hate clears with 3 guilds pulling church

Just stop talking and let the grown ups talk plz

Been here longer than that. :)

[arsenalpow]

Well Chest lying in his post doesn't help. He says his guild went in seconds after. It was a full half hour after TMO (Who broke fear) went in and then had GT join them. I was on a chanter and was 3 minutes late to the clear.

When I entered.
[Mon Jun 02 17:41:31 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear.

First sign of BDA.

[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:10:02 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>

Chest also lies about us not having enough to AE what was left in the zone.

We had the following.

3 level 60 chanters.
2 Wizards
3 Clerics
2 Druids
1 Mage

More than enough stuns and dps for what was left in Fear at that point. I don't know if the train was intentional or not but we were planning to just AE the rest until the train happened.

incorrect, here's the first sign of BDA since I was the first to zone in

[Mon Jun 02 17:54:11 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear. (central time)

TMO also zoned in the same time as GT and broke right at the portal, so the zone was definitely unbroken.

Here was your TMO members in the zone:

[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 Arch Mage] Cyclonus (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dinacarl <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:07:12 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kryos <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>

Dottedup showed up later and wanted to make it clear he had nothing to do with the previous actions led by Unbrella.

[Mon Jun 02 18:39:47 2014] Dottedup tells you, 'just got out here, wasn't with drama earlier'

Genocial Tendencies didn't have the sufficient force to AE, nor did they even know they were going to AE.

I'm posting on behalf of Waryah, Leader of Genocidal Tendencies:

"@ Chest: GT was just there for our first PoF raid and had no intentions of doing AOE groups (never mentioned to us, and actually had no idea you could do that in PoF). We were just there to pull mobs one by one like newbs and have a fun time. "

No smoke screens please. Ball don't lie.

http://theknickswall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BDL.png

[Splorf22]

Been here longer than that. :)

the question, then, is why you feel the need to hide your previous identity

[Jfertal]

BDA entered Fear half an hour after the TMO group went in breaking it. GT was asked to zone in when it was broken 10 minutes or so before BDA entered the zone.

false, I first entered fear right after unbrella on reyjing, to come stalk him as a I normally do whenver I seen him online. I then log'd on figaro. 10 minutes later, we ran slightly west of north wall and begun our AE's. Don't sit there and act like you never fucking leapfrogged a guild in a zone. Everyones hands are dirty don't worry bud its ok. To sit there and act like we are monsters for going into fear when another guild was outside, makes you just sound like a complete faggot. I'm sure you are a very nice person, I don't even know you, but yes you sound like a bitch.

But bro! It was their first PoF raid and you ruined it for them you jerks!!!! boo fucking hoo

[arsenalpow]

false, I first entered fear right after unbrella on reyjing, to come stalk him as a I normally do whenver I seen him online. I then log'd on figaro. 10 minutes later, we ran slightly west of north wall and begun our AE's. Don't sit there and act like you never fucking leapfrogged a guild in a zone. Everyones hands are dirty don't worry bud its ok. To sit there and act like we are monsters for going into fear when another guild was outside, makes you just sound like a complete faggot. I'm sure you are a very nice person, I don't even know you, but yes you sound like a bitch.

But bro! It was their first PoF raid and you ruined it for them you jerks!!!! boo fucking hoo

why did you never turn your logs on? I want that snippet where Unbrella is bragging that he called Sirken right after they dropped the train on us.

[SyanideGas]

Those words are not pics of the gf Fatty. You know better sir.

[Fountree]

[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 Arch Mage] Cyclonus (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dinacarl <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:07:12 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kryos <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>



Hmmm, with the exception of ella (<3), none of those TMO guys' names ring a bell.

[Jfertal]

Dude wtf I barely even play now! and now you expect logs out of me! what is this bullshit. im leaving.

[Ambrotos]

So what we are saying is that TMO needed help to break fear? (j/k)

*bring back tags pls

[Fountree]

So what we are saying is that TMO needed help to break fear? (j/k)

*bring back tags pls

Haha, maybe.

90% of the current guild would have no idea what youre talking about though, unfortunately.

[Hastley]

Jeremy have you see a naked woman yet? how about you chest?

30 year old men arguing about phara dar, LMFAO.

[Ella`Ella]

Dude wtf I barely even play now! and now you expect logs out of me! what is this bullshit. im leaving.

My boy ain't no rat.

[Fuddwin]

Chest posts a picture of Rasheed Wallace crying... Irony? LOL

/petiton Change name to Rasheed plz Chest


Poor Chest (Variety)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Jeremy have you see a naked woman yet? how about you chest?

30 year old men arguing about phara dar, LMFAO.

People taking their hobby seriously-who'd have thought it?

[Man0warr]

BDA entered Fear half an hour after the TMO group went in breaking it. GT was asked to zone in when it was broken 10 minutes or so before BDA entered the zone.

You're lying, unfortunately I don't have a video to prove it.

We zoned in literally 10 seconds after 4 TMO and 2 groups of GT ran in - we walked right past them fighting some mobs at the zone in. I was right behind Chest zoning in.

Are you telling me that TMO and GT sat at portal entrance for 30 minutes killing mobs?

You weren't even there Lazie, so kindly shut the fuck up.

[Hastley]

People taking their hobby seriously-who'd have thought it?

30 plus year old men playing a 15 year old elf EMULATED elf simulator. Youre right though bro, that extra piece of loot from a kunark dragon makes you really awesome....

[Lazie]

incorrect, here's the first sign of BDA since I was the first to zone in

[Mon Jun 02 17:54:11 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear. (central time)

TMO also zoned in the same time as GT and broke right at the portal, so the zone was definitely unbroken.

Here was your TMO members in the zone:

[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 Arch Mage] Cyclonus (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dinacarl <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:07:12 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kryos <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>

Dottedup showed up later and wanted to make it clear he had nothing to do with the previous actions led by Unbrella.

[Mon Jun 02 18:39:47 2014] Dottedup tells you, 'just got out here, wasn't with drama earlier'

Genocial Tendencies didn't have the sufficient force to AE, nor did they even know they were going to AE.



No smoke screens please. Ball don't lie.

http://theknickswall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BDL.png

Zone in was broken and TMO was in there half an hour before BDA zoned. The mobs at zone in were pulled mobs when you guys zoned in.I mean by your logs alone you zoned in 22 minutes after I did and I zoned in after the initial group did by roughly 3 minutes. So you are splitting hairs over 4 or 5 minutes. Point is that is not "Mere seconds". Which was a blatant lie by you which is status quo by you.

TMO had in the zone 2 60 chanters (me and Qort) a 60 mage and a 60 cleric. There was 1 60 wizard outside at the time going to zone in (He was in vent when you guys came in disturbing and monopolizing the zone against the server PNP) who we had asked to log in. We were working through what GT had there we knew they had a chanter and 2 clerics. They also had a wizard and 2 druids.

We told the pullers to start gathering the mobs because as you know that takes a few minutes to gather up the pull and bunch the mobs together. You can continue to lie or you can be completely honest and stop trying to get free mobs with lies. We had what we needed there to AE and we were in the process of getting prepared for it.

[Fuddwin]

30 plus year old men playing a 15 year old elf EMULATED elf simulator. Youre right though bro, that extra piece of loot from a kunark dragon makes you really awesome....

30 year old man trolling 30 year old men playing a 15 year old elf EMULATED elf simulator makes you look more awesome!

[Lazie]

You're lying, unfortunately I don't have a video to prove it.

We zoned in literally 10 seconds after 4 TMO and 2 groups of GT ran in - we walked right past them fighting some mobs at the zone in. I was right behind Chest zoning in.

Are you telling me that TMO and GT sat at portal entrance for 30 minutes killing mobs?

You weren't even there Lazie, so kindly shut the fuck up.

That is a blatant lie even Chest's logs show 22 minutes after the initial TMO zoned in via my logs. There were no more magical 4 TMO zoning in with GT. We went in and broke it and then called them in.

[Ella`Ella]

incorrect, here's the first sign of BDA since I was the first to zone in

[Mon Jun 02 17:54:11 2014] You have entered Plane of Fear. (central time)

TMO also zoned in the same time as GT and broke right at the portal, so the zone was definitely unbroken.

Here was your TMO members in the zone:

[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 Arch Mage] Cyclonus (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:26 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dinacarl <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:07:12 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kryos <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:03:22 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>

Dottedup showed up later and wanted to make it clear he had nothing to do with the previous actions led by Unbrella.

[Mon Jun 02 18:39:47 2014] Dottedup tells you, 'just got out here, wasn't with drama earlier'

Genocial Tendencies didn't have the sufficient force to AE, nor did they even know they were going to AE.



No smoke screens please. Ball don't lie.

http://theknickswall.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/BDL.png

As we discussed, regarding the AoE - my response to that was that we were going to maintain a kite to pick the mobs that we wanted off individually since you refused to let us have the ones we requested. Also, just for the record, I was not leading this initiative, I just happened to be attending as an innocent healer!

[arsenalpow]

Zone in was broken and TMO was in there half an hour before BDA zoned. The mobs at zone in were pulled mobs when you guys zoned in.I mean by your logs alone you zoned in 22 minutes after I did and I zoned in after the initial group did by roughly 3 minutes. So you are splitting hairs over 4 or 5 minutes. Point is that is not "Mere seconds". Which was a blatant lie by you which is status quo by you.

TMO had in the zone 2 60 chanters (me and Qort) a 60 mage and a 60 cleric. There was 1 60 wizard outside at the time going to zone in (He was in vent when you guys came in disturbing and monopolizing the zone against the server PNP) who we had asked to log in. We were working through what GT had there we knew they had a chanter and 2 clerics. They also had a wizard and 2 druids.

We told the pullers to start gathering the mobs because as you know that takes a few minutes to gather up the pull and bunch the mobs together. You can continue to lie or you can be completely honest and stop trying to get free mobs with lies. We had what we needed there to AE and we were in the process of getting prepared for it.

there was a Qort at some point
[Mon Jun 02 18:50:56 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Qort (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>

any other names you want to drop on me?

[Lazie]

there was a Qort at some point
[Mon Jun 02 18:50:56 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Qort (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>

any other names you want to drop on me?

Your logs clearly show your guild zoned in 22 minutes after me..I zoned in 3 minutes after the initial 4 zoned in. That is roughly half an hour not mere seconds. Care to continue to try to lie ?

[Ella`Ella]

You're lying, unfortunately I don't have a video to prove it.

We zoned in literally 10 seconds after 4 TMO and 2 groups of GT ran in - we walked right past them fighting some mobs at the zone in. I was right behind Chest zoning in.

Are you telling me that TMO and GT sat at portal entrance for 30 minutes killing mobs?

You weren't even there Lazie, so kindly shut the fuck up.

[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Cyclonus <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Qort (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Skeleton) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] There are 4 players in Plane of Fear.


[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dinacarl <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kryos <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [60 Arch Mage] Cyclonus (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Qort (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Skeleton) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] There are 6 players in Plane of Fear.


(This was my /who bregan)
[Mon Jun 02 18:55:32 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:55:32 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:55:32 2014] There are no players in Plane of Fear that match those who filters.



[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [51 Wanderer] Allisan (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Stable (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [57 Defiler] Necrotick (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Burlington <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [50 Cleric] Eillac (Gnome) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syrina <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [59 Preserver] Xiek (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [58 Troubadour] Kekephee (Erudite) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [52 Disciple] Bwotha (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Grandmaster] Xakanik (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Groinpull <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Whackin <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [50 Druid] Alkor (Halfling) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Semisonic <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Quickwolf <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [52 Vicar] Trevelen (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [59 Knight] Qamen (Half Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Aphelia <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kevintung <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [47 Cleric] Docvan (Halfling) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Antheri <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Warlord] Vesza (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Nachtigall (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Shiroe (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [55 Defiler] Kinso (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Grandmaster] Chest (Human) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Sesserdrix <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] There are 28 players in Plane of Fear.

[Ciroco]

Is any of this relevant?

[Lazie]

Is any of this relevant?

Not really. It's just interesting to see the lengths Chest goes to via lying to try to prove to people he is right about something. Yet he tries to present himself as some sort of White knight for the server.

[arsenalpow]

Here's me checking our tracker before we batphoned

[Mon Jun 02 17:14:06 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 17:14:06 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Ezekiel <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 17:14:06 2014] There are 2 players in Plane of Fear.
[Mon Jun 02 17:14:36 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:15:23 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:16:09 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:16:55 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:17:41 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:18:27 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:13 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Ezekiel <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] There is 1 player in Plane of Fear.

If TMO was trying to 1 group Fear they weren't doing a very good job because they kept getting chased out by mobs apparently. Also, wtb water on the bell tower in Fear.

[Hastley]

Is any of this relevant?

no just grown man children like chest arguing because it makes him feel like he has a big dick when in reality he has a micro penis

[Lazie]

[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Cyclonus <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Qort (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Skeleton) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:39:17 2014] There are 4 players in Plane of Fear.


[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Dinacarl <The Mystical Order> LFG
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kryos <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [60 Arch Mage] Cyclonus (Dark Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Qort (High Elf) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] [60 High Priest] Unbrella (Skeleton) <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 18:45:04 2014] There are 6 players in Plane of Fear.


(This was my /who bregan)
[Mon Jun 02 18:55:32 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:55:32 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:55:32 2014] There are no players in Plane of Fear that match those who filters.



[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [51 Wanderer] Allisan (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Stable (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [57 Defiler] Necrotick (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Burlington <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [50 Cleric] Eillac (Gnome) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syrina <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [59 Preserver] Xiek (Wood Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [58 Troubadour] Kekephee (Erudite) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [52 Disciple] Bwotha (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth> LFG
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Grandmaster] Xakanik (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Groinpull <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Whackin <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [50 Druid] Alkor (Halfling) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Semisonic <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Quickwolf <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Figaro <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [52 Vicar] Trevelen (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [59 Knight] Qamen (Half Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Aphelia <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Kevintung <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [47 Cleric] Docvan (Halfling) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Antheri <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Warlord] Vesza (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Nachtigall (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Phantasmist] Shiroe (Dark Elf) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [55 Defiler] Kinso (Iksar) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [60 Grandmaster] Chest (Human) <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Sesserdrix <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 18:58:01 2014] There are 28 players in Plane of Fear.

I stand corrected 19 minutes. Pras Unbrella for accurate logs.

[JayN]

Betas got to be lying alphas somewhere, why not EQ

[Lazie]

Here's me checking our tracker before we batphoned

[Mon Jun 02 17:14:06 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Syzzurp <The Mystical Order>
[Mon Jun 02 17:14:06 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Ezekiel <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 17:14:06 2014] There are 2 players in Plane of Fear.
[Mon Jun 02 17:14:36 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:15:23 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:16:09 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:16:55 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:17:41 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:18:27 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:13 2014] You are low on drink.
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] Players on EverQuest:
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] ---------------------------
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] [ANONYMOUS] Ezekiel <Bregan D`Aerth>
[Mon Jun 02 17:19:33 2014] There is 1 player in Plane of Fear.

If TMO was trying to 1 group Fear they weren't doing a very good job because they kept getting chased out by mobs apparently. Also, wtb water on the bell tower in Fear.

Yeah 2 guys checking what is up is one grouping Fear. That is 2 monks btw. A full 30 minutes before we entered the zone. You really are a master at lying badly.

[arsenalpow]

Yeah 2 guys checking what is up is one grouping Fear. That is 2 monks btw. A full 30 minutes before we entered the zone. You really are a master at lying badly.

Ezekiel is me you mongo. So your monk and our druid.

[Lazie]

Ezekiel is me you mongo. So your monk and our druid.

Oh you finally said something accurate. Progress folks!

[Ravager]

Nice train TMO.

[Hastley]

Ezekiel is me you mongo. So your monk and our druid.

you ever had sex bro??

[Karkona]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.

The initial petition was posted on Monday night and responded to by Sirken on Tuesday. To quote Sirken “I got as far as Chest saying two months. Try to work it out like reasonable human beings.”

This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?

[Lazie]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.



This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?


I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

[Funkutron5000]

I am transferring this portion from the raid discussion post.



This disturbs me. TMO gets a free pass to train? The fraps was clear as all get-out. I get that Sirken and Chest don't get along but damn, is it so bad that guilds get free passes to train on BDA now because folks don't see eye-to-eye?

I think it's more that Sirken felt a 2 month raid suspension was an absurd request for this incident, not that he felt that what happened was acceptable.

[Antarctica]

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

I don't understand how BDA can be labeled "monopolizers" in a zoned with as many mobs as it has when when BDA was on the other size of the zone.

Sugar coat it any way you want, training is illegal. Period. Deal with the monk as appropriate.

[Lazie]

I don't understand how BDA can be labeled "monopolizers" in a zoned with as many mobs as it has when when BDA was on the other size of the zone.

Sugar coat it any way you want, training is illegal. Period. Deal with the monk as appropriate.

You simply can't monopolize all the spawns of the zone when there is more than one group of people in the zone that sir is the rules. This is also a rule on the server.

The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

BDA needed to communicate and compromise in this situation and the officer that was contacted about it told people to "Fuck off".

[Man0warr]

I'm with Xasten on this - Dinacarl should be removed from TMO and suspended for training.

If TMO doesn't remove Dinacarl, then they are condoning his actions, and should thus be suspended a long with him.

[Lazie]

I'm with Xasten on this - Dinacarl should be removed from TMO and suspended for training.

If TMO doesn't remove Dinacarl, then they are condoning his actions, and should thus be suspended a long with him.

Already been done. You should read Unbrella's last post in the raid discussion.

[Argh]

The precedent to work off of would probably be the Yibz incident (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136252&highlight=derubael), which was deemed an accidental trained and yielded a 1 day suspension(during sim repop) for tmo and a 2 week suspension(?) for Yibz. You could deduce from that, that an intentional train would likely yield something similar/a little more drastic than that.

[Karkona]

I think what Sirken is telling Chest is be more reasonable in negotiations. Chest has this history of being a ragehard and not being reasonable. He was doing the same thing over this and not reasonably trying to come to a compromise over the situation. He threw out terms no one would accept for one player doing something on his own. All the GMs are asking is that we reasonably work together to resolve these issues. Chest can't seem to grasp the term reasonable.

I mean this is evident by him coming into a zone 19 minutes after another group and monopolizing the zone even when people try to compromise with him. Him being an Officer of the people he was leading while doing that makes it even worse sadly.

Ok sure, Chest is evil for being 'unreasonable', now where the punishment for the train?

[Hitpoint]

The precedent to work off of would probably be the Yibz incident (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136252&highlight=derubael), which was deemed an accidental trained and yielded a 1 day suspension(during sim repop) for tmo and a 2 week suspension(?) for Yibz. You could deduce from that, that an intentional train would likely yield something similar/a little more drastic than that.

That was during a raid. At least CT and draco.

[Lazie]

TMO shouldn't be raid suspended for the actions of one person in a zone that can be cleared by 2 people. Heck if you read the OOC from the aftermath it is obvious most of the people didn't know that the train looked that intentional. We were under the impression it was a pull gone bad. I'd say give up a Draco to you guys honestly to go along with the guy being punished for his actions. Outside of that there really isn't much fault at the feet of TMO officers and the guild as a whole for the guy doing what he did in a group setting.

[Lazie]

Ok sure, Chest is evil for being 'unreasonable', now where the punishment for the train?

The guy is being punished. What is TMO supposed to do outside of handling that when the guy did this on his own accord ? I mean I am all for good will and handing over a mob like Draco but even that is a stretch.

[Karkona]

The guy is being punished.

How? I want details.

[Frieza_Prexus]

How? I want details.

He's been kicked out of TMO.

[Lazie]

How? I want details.

From Unbrella's post.

The player has been removed from TMO for his actions and the guild has dealt with it internally. Leadership is involved to the extent of coming to a reasonable resolution on how to punish the player.

What the GM's do next for his actions moving forward for what happened is for them to handle.

[Bboboo]

I'm fairly new to P99 and I come here from time to time to see the bickering endgame can produce. It's a nice insight to see if I even want to commit to end game or go my own way and have fun here and there with small camps/guilds.

All I have to say is, Lazie shut the fuck up.

[Lazie]

I'm fairly new to P99 and I come here from time to time to see the bickering endgame can produce. It's a nice insight to see if I even want to commit to end game or go my own way and have fun here and there with small camps/guilds.

All I have to say is, Lazie shut the fuck up.

No.

[Karkona]

He's been kicked out of TMO.

For how long a week? If this is all the punishment a train warrants, then maybe from now on guilds can use this as common practice. If one guild is able to do it, why can't all guilds do it? Maybe have an alt ready for each train? Just kick them out of the guild when your done.

[Bboboo]

Reading through this you come off as the little dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94

[Frieza_Prexus]

For how long a week? If this is all the punishment a train warrants, then maybe from now on guilds can use this as common practice. If one guild is able to do it, why can't all guilds do it? Maybe have an alt ready for each train? Just kick them out of the guild when your done.

Permanently on all characters? What do you think "kicked out" means? What else are we supposed to do? Fine him? Verbally admonish him? Make him take The Black?

[Gaffin 7.0]

rogainez

[Lazie]

Reading through this you come off as the little dog.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94

Woof Woof.

[Troubled]

The guy is being punished. What is TMO supposed to do outside of handling that when the guy did this on his own accord ? I mean I am all for good will and handing over a mob like Draco but even that is a stretch.

That's kinda where I initially was with it. No one walks away happy.

[Godefroi]

Chest, probably the biggest clown on p99 lol

[doyoueventrainbro]

Does Lazie take it upon himself to reply to every single fucking person?

[doyoueventrainbro]

I love it that whenever any TMO player does something, TMO all like dude they did outside the realm of TMO.
LOLO

[Lazie]

Does Lazie take it upon himself to reply to every single fucking person?

Of course. Responding so you don't feel left out!

[Karkona]

Permanently

Thanks.

[Ella`Ella]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

[Juevento]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

td;dr don't ban me bro

[Orruar]

TMO takes every effort to offer restitution in some way when we feel we have wronged a party or jeopardized their opportunity for a raid encounter. We have evidenced this many times in the past with Inglourious Basterds and most recently with BDA and Taken during a misunderstanding at Venril Sathir.

TMO has acknowledged that a single player interfered with their game play to some extent in the Plane of Fear. However, at no point was BDA in jeopardy of losing a raid target due to the misunderstanding, which is the primary point of contention when considering forfeiting a mob or raid suspensions. This is nothing more than an isolated incident regarding a member who has been punished by his guild as the leadership wants to recognize that we understand the wrong-doing and are not ignoring the matter. We acted as the GMs often request to resolve matters between each other which we attempted to do in BDA ventrillo.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.

If an individual were to train the zone-in of KC while nothing was in window would this be an issue of the respective guild being raid suspended? As this occurrence happens daily and this is rarely the outcome, I suspect this is only a matter of 'blood in the water'.

I am more than willing to come to a compromise with Chest regarding this matter, however no consideration will be given to any sort of raid suspension or concession of a raid target as this metric simply doesn't apply. Anything further on the matter is simply fanfare for entertainment purposes.

I wonder if you are conscious of the extreme spin you're putting on things and think you're clever, or if you're completely ignorant to your own prejudices.

[Ambrotos]

Your posts sounds good till you try and blame other people.

I also pointed out that BDA was alerted to the fact there was a group of players already in Plane of Fear for a significant amount of time and were seeking a specific class of mobs. This was ignored by the plaintiffs leadership and BDA continued to draw an AoE consisting of the mobs we requested or 'had been camping'. As per the play nice policies; Chapter 8, Section 1, Article 1, "-Monopolizing most or all of the kills in an area." (http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=132299). While, TMO has no interest in pursuing this, as I've previously stated, I do think it's worth reviewing and considering before/during/after you cast your stones at a TMO member for a train. The behavior from all parties is unbecoming.


Any guild can raid any zone they want. There isn't a " You can't be in fear if another guild is there". As long as no one is taking each others pulls, KSing, or training then there isn't a disruption.

We can go by your line of thinking though.

You want to claim some by rule Chapter 8 Section 1, Article 1 that doesn't even apply to the situation. If you want to go full retard and insist, apply it to yourself also when you decided to deflect the entire situation and say both groups were AOEing. So we can use your same argument and apply it the same wrong way, and say you were in violation of the same thing.

Call that a wash, and it still leaves the fraps train by a member of your guild. Sirken has ruled that the guilds need to work it out, thus it is a Server Raid Policy is covering it. I personally feel it's a single event and only the person should be punished, but the way he responded to the petition is the way Sirken wants it.

[Socratic]

The desire for ever escalating penalties is getting crazy.

For months we've been giving up individual encounters because of individual players doing something stupid like training/logging in where they shouldn't (xygoz, trak, gore, vs), and the only guild suspensions for raid disputes have been because an entire guild breaks the rules (whole raid logging in past the zone in, whole raid ks'ing/ninja-looting).

When did an idiot training become enough to scream for a whole guild to be raid suspended?

It's been pretty straight forward that whatever you are going for when your idiot member screws you, you lose, and if you don't give it up fast enough, you lose the next one too. I don't see why that would change.

Also, someone remind Chest that Unbrella isn't a co-leader of anything.

[Man0warr]

When did an idiot training become enough to scream for a whole guild to be raid suspended?

Because we were trained by TMO twice in raiding situations less than a week apart. The Raid rules on training say harsh punishment will be meted out, and yet TMO always weasels their way out of it.

Sirken and Derubael are also awfully silent when it comes to petitions involving TMO.

[Lazie]

Because we were trained by TMO twice in raiding situations less than a week apart. The Raid rules on training say harsh punishment will be meted out, and yet TMO always weasels their way out of it.

Sirken and Derubael are also awfully silent when it comes to petitions involving TMO.

What was the 2nd raiding situation ? VS...where we didn't compete and....Where ? An AE group in Fear ? What Raid spawn did you lose that needs to be looked into ?

[Man0warr]

Fear is a raid zone per the rules. Guilds raid suspended can't zone in.

We both had raids in the zone.

[Lazie]

Fear is a raid zone per the rules. Guilds raid suspended can't zone in.

We both had raids in the zone.

We had one group in the zone. Again tell us what you lost that you need compensated for.

[Man0warr]

Our time.

Also, you were teamed up with ~18 Genocidal Tendencies players, that's a raid.

[Lazie]

Our time.

Also, you were teamed up with ~18 Genocidal Tendencies players, that's a raid.

:rolleyes:

Have everyone at the raid send me a message I will donate 10 minutes to each of them in game. Just tell them to have what they need done in those 10 minutes planned ahead of time I would hate to waste their 10 minutes on planning.

[JayN]

Our time.

Also, you were teamed up with ~18 Genocidal Tendencies players, that's a raid.

Their very first fear raid, which tmo was holding their hands showing them the ropes (happily). Then you entitled shit heads zoned in and told everyone to fuck off its now BDAs zone!

You guys really are some low life pieces of shit, I thought IB was really shitty but you guys really are the scum of the server, Thanks for turning their first Fear Raid into a complete Shit SHOW.

And btw thats not how you AoE fear you Dbags you did it wrong, shoulda been all mobs besides mini and bosses one pull. Obviously you guys were there to solely start drama/troll and you have no one to blame for this but CHEST

[cams]

IB KSs a Fayd involving confusion with unguilded tracker and KSs a draco but leaves loot for TMO = 2 week suspension.

Azure Guard helps another guild with Trak due to confusion with schedule = 1 week suspension.

Jephtah trains Taken, Yibz trains Taken, and Dinacarl trains BDA, and TMO is basically allowed to determine their own punishment.

[cams]

Yibz trains BDA*

[Lazie]

IB KSs a Fayd involving confusion with unguilded tracker and KSs a draco but leaves loot for TMO = 2 week suspension.

Azure Guard helps another guild with Trak due to confusion with schedule = 1 week suspension.

Jephtah trains Taken, Yibz trains Taken, and Dinacarl trains BDA, and TMO is basically allowed to determine their own punishment.

Want to know the differences in those scenarios ?

IB officers refused to work with officers of TMO in coming to a resolution.

AG is in Class R where they are subject to lockouts. It is a bad situation but those lockouts are in the game. Moving up to Class C removes you from these lockouts and I recommend it.

Jephtah trained trackers and we admitted fault and talked to Taken about a resolution and came to one. BDA got the VS we backed off of and didn't contest because of what happened in the confusion after and agreed that was a good resolution in regards to Yibz having aggro on him (I still don't believe that was his train I believe it was aggro dropped on him) and dying near their raid.

All of the situations above involved raid mobs in window or spawned. There was a possible loss of something in regards to the parties involved. In the situations where they got resolved without GMs and where lockouts were involved there was guilds communicating and finding a resolution. We are still looking for that from BDA in regards of the recent events in fear but Chest doesn't want to find a reasonable solution and seems determined to whine to GMs in hopes that they will side with his unreasonable requests.

[Socratic]

Hah, we step aside resulting in your guild getting a free shot at vs, wiping, then rezzing up for 15+ mins and finally killing him and you're still trying to use that? I mean, please, if that's weaseling then by all means, please weasel for us. I'll take a free VS.

I see now that you're just another nutjob rnf kiddo, so moving on.

[Man0warr]

Hah, we step aside resulting in your guild getting a free shot at vs, wiping, then rezzing up for 15+ mins and finally killing him and you're still trying to use that? I mean, please, if that's weaseling then by all means, please weasel for us. I'll take a free VS.

I see now that you're just another nutjob rnf kiddo, so moving on.

TMO was still massing on our first attempt with no DPS, no one had any idea you guys had "backed off" until Mez came into our vent later.

[cams]

All of the situations above involved raid mobs in window or spawned. There was a possible loss of something in regards to the parties involved.

What was lost from Draco? IB left the loot for TMO after realizing their mistake. At most a 1 week suspension for Fayd should have been doled out. IB leaving loot from draco is almost exactly the same as TMO leaving VS for other guilds.

What was lost from AG at Trak? Basically everyone in class R felt they shouldn't have had a suspension. Yet rules are rules and they ate a week.

Seems like TMO is the only guild who gets consideration in these sort of matters.

[Hitpoint]

TMO was still massing on our first attempt with no DPS, no one had any idea you guys had "backed off" until Mez came into our vent later.

Serious? We engage VS instantly if there's a cleric and a warrior. Anyone can tell you that. If we didn't do that, then we backed off. If there was no dps there, then our raid leader told them not to run down to VS yet.

[Lazie]

What was lost from Draco? IB left the loot for TMO after realizing their mistake. At most a 1 week suspension for Fayd should have been doled out. IB leaving loot from draco is almost exactly the same as TMO leaving VS for other guilds.

What was lost from AG at Trak? Basically everyone in class R felt they shouldn't have had a suspension. Yet rules are rules and they ate a week.

Seems like TMO is the only guild who gets consideration in these sort of matters.

They left after looting the draco corpse and seeing no BCG was on it. So of course they were happy to leave the corpse to rot after. Better bet if it had a BCG on it it would have gotten looted. Again Class R has lockouts. The players can't mandate those. Being Class R means you are subject to them for better or worse. TMO gets the same consideration as any other guild. The difference is when we mess up we admit it right away and back off the spawns.

[Man0warr]

Even after Yibz trained us, there was still TMO coming down well after. Taken got an attempt (with like 14 ppl?!) right after we got trained.

We thought TMO had backed off because of the Yibz train at that point.

[Lazie]

TMO was still massing on our first attempt with no DPS, no one had any idea you guys had "backed off" until Mez came into our vent later.

Ok. I was in vent. The call immediately when VS spawned was "We are not going after it". That is why VS lived more than 3 minutes.

[Glenzig]

http://ogeeku.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Kahn_thumb.gif
CHEST!!!!!

[Lazie]

Even after Yibz trained us, there was still TMO coming down well after. Taken got an attempt (with like 14 ppl?!) right after we got trained.

We thought TMO had backed off because of the Yibz train at that point.

We brought people down to help to recover the people that died. Some folks ran down when VS got called that weren't in vent and we had to tell them we aren't going after VS. It's all semantics though. You guys got a VS and it was resolved. There are easy solutions for everyone to resolve these things without being unreasonable.

[cams]

They left after looting the draco corpse and seeing no BCG was on it. So of course they were happy to leave the corpse to rot after. Better bet if it had a BCG on it it would have gotten looted. Again Class R has lockouts. The players can't mandate those. Being Class R means you are subject to them for better or worse. TMO gets the same consideration as any other guild. The difference is when we mess up we admit it right away and back off the spawns.

So you guys lost a BCG that didn't exist, thus IB should get a week suspension? Or because you believe things would have gone differently if there was a BCG with no actual proof to back it up? And rules are rules when they apply to class R, but when 3 different members of your guild train 2 other guilds in a weeks time it is ok for guys to self regulate. Nice. Spin spin spin.

[Lazie]

So you guys lost a BCG that didn't exist, thus IB should get a week suspension? Or because you believe things would have gone differently if there was a BCG with no actual proof to back it up? And rules are rules when they apply to class R, but when 3 different members of your guild train 2 other guilds in a weeks time it is ok for guys to self regulate. Nice. Spin spin spin.

What ? You do realize TMO wasn't the only guild regulating right ? TMO talked to the guilds involved and all parties came to a resolution. It wasn't TMO regulating. I am glad you think everyone just happily forgives mistakes on this server though because TMO can regulate whatever they want to them. That would be a nice server to play on.

As for Draco and Fay...Kill stealing is against the rules. IB KS'ed both without an FTE message. Fay showed they had no problem looting a KS when the loot was nice and the fact they looted the corpse to check it on Draco showed they had an intent to do the same before seeing the corpse had trash loot. If you are upset with the GM's decision on Fay and Draco tell IB to stop KSing and if they do again to try to work out a reasonable resolution instead of camping out immediately and ignoring officers trying to resolve issues with them.

[Rellapse40]

This lazie bitch has to be at least 400 pounds in rl

[Lazie]

clearly all this bullshit yall are mulling over about AE and who was in zone, and camp disputes couldn't matter less.

the only thing that matters is TMO has a long history of training other people's raids..
this guy got caught training a raid force in blatant fashion
it is time to pay the iron price, which is punishment for the person, the guild, and guild leadership.
that is what everyone knows and expects.
where the fuck is the justice?

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ? When we make mistakes what history do we have of being unreasonable in resolving them under the new raiding system ? Please point to an occasion where we fucked up and didn't immediately come to a decision that didn't benefit us as a guild.

That is the thing. It is fun to throw around claims that aren't true, but they don't meet the current reality of what happens with the current TMO when we fuck up. We are the first to back off and surrender mobs. We are the first to try to be reasonable and find an amiable resolution that is fair to the party that got wronged.

[arsenalpow]

This lazie bitch has to be at least 400 pounds in rl

[Lazie]

This lazie bitch has to be at least 400 pounds in rl

:D

[Rellapse40]

damn ontop of his/her f5 skillz

bet that finger u use for F5 is in shape tho

2 bad rest of your body looks like a fat blob

[Lazie]

damn ontop of his/her f5 skillz

bet that finger u use for F5 is in shape tho

2 bad rest of your body looks like a fat blob

:o

[Jfertal]

plain and simple fuck your fear, fuck corova he is a high elf paladin, and is bitter the kings are in the play offs, unbrella is fucked cause he couldn't come out to cali to see me. chest is fucked cause my fade is clean as fuck and is taking it out on macklemore. xerxes is trying to bullk up to be the next hulk hogan, which is completely fucked. dude cant even fucking wrestle. sly still owes me a blowjob. gdi...

[JayN]

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[Rellapse40]

plain and simple fuck your fear, fuck corova he is a high elf paladin, and is bitter the kings are in the play offs, unbrella is fucked cause he couldn't come out to cali to see me. chest is fucked cause my fade is clean as fuck and is taking it out on macklemore. xerxes is trying to bullk up to be the next hulk hogan, which is completely fucked. dude cant even fucking wrestle. sly still owes me a blowjob. gdi...

plz do not reproduce

[arsenalpow]

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[TrendyDru]

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From what I've read - and I don't know who Chest is on the forums, but he seems like a dick.

but this is just poor workmanship. Come on, man.. you're just making yourself look bad.

[Ella`Ella]

plain and simple fuck your fear, fuck corova he is a high elf paladin, and is bitter the kings are in the play offs, unbrella is fucked cause he couldn't come out to cali to see me. chest is fucked cause my fade is clean as fuck and is taking it out on macklemore. xerxes is trying to bullk up to be the next hulk hogan, which is completely fucked. dude cant even fucking wrestle. sly still owes me a blowjob. gdi...

1) You're drunk
2) Come home, Fatty. Come home.

[Nuggie]

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ? When we make mistakes what history do we have of being unreasonable in resolving them under the new raiding system ? Please point to an occasion where we fucked up and didn't immediately come to a decision that didn't benefit us as a guild.

That is the thing. It is fun to throw around claims that aren't true, but they don't meet the current reality of what happens with the current TMO when we fuck up. We are the first to back off and surrender mobs. We are the first to try to be reasonable and find an amiable resolution that is fair to the party that got wronged.

You know... a lot of this hatred is for the name right? Maybe a guild name change is in order. Fresh start? A name is more than just a name.

[Nuggie]

btw, good read. 6/10.

I mistook those chest tears for acne. Bad tear job.

[Fame]

holy fuck thread is weak shit

[doyoueventrainbro]

"pulling to my group np bnro" -dinacarl @ the 5:30 mark of video.

Look at how TMO and it's members try to blatantly insult everyone's intelligence including the server staff.

I've never seen such disregard for the rules as TMO has shown, yet they are never penalized

Can someone please explain to me why TMO is never penalized like the other guilds? If this was Doja, the guild would have got disbanded instead of raid suspended probably.

[doyoueventrainbro]

"pulling to my group np bnro" -dinacarl @ the 5:30 mark of video.

[JayN]

"pulling to my group np bnro" -dinacarl @ the 5:30 mark of video.

Look at how TMO and it's members try to blatantly insult everyone's intelligence including the server staff.

I've never seen such disregard for the rules as TMO has shown, yet they are never penalized

Can someone please explain to me why TMO is never penalized like the other guilds? If this was Doja, the guild would have got disbanded instead of raid suspended probably.

Which rules did TMO as a guild break under the new raid rules please lay that one out for us, or just moar tears?

[doyoueventrainbro]

Fear in itself is considered a "raid target" A guild on suspension cannot clear fear for armor drops because it is in fact a raid target in itself.

As the video shows, the TMO puller, whom was pulling to his group, trained BDA preventing them from completing their AOE raid on the "raid target" fear.

[doyoueventrainbro]

What part of that do you not understand, Jackass?

[Ravager]

What history do we have of training guilds in our current form as a guild ?

Keep the tag, assume the history.

[Peekayyoo]

btw, good read. 6/10.

I mistook those chest tears for acne. Bad tear job.

I thought it was braveheart style war paint. I heard Chest was 10 feet tall.

[Jfertal]

1) You're drunk
2) Come home, Fatty. Come home.

Blacked out shortly after I spoke with you.

[Jarnauga]

Big Fatty was already too cool for being FE, so def can't be TMO

i mean did you see his gf ? that's not TMO material.

[tradereq]

I think anyone that seriously believes that this raid scene can be saved or worked out in a mature and no-bullshitting manner should get themselves checked into a psych ward cus clearly you've lost any grip on reality.

there will always be lying, griefing, training, RMTing, rule-lawyering, bickering, shitting over the little people etc. if you wanna be on top you gotta be a dick just like in real life, so I think everyone should just shut the fuck up and either play the game or go out and get some sun.