Plane of Sky

[zanderklocke]

http://i.imgur.com/aQ0CEK5.jpg

Discuss.

[bktroost]

What exactly is going on? Why are guilds downing OOAs after we've worked so hard to keep them going? So Guild A gets one and Guild B says "well if they got one then we get one?"

As Zander has so cleverly placed this bit of rhetoric above, anarchy ensues and we all loose. We've seen this behavior before out of them if I recall correctly. TMO snipes a noble and then the noble sniping ensues from other guilds in retaliation?

Forgiveness is easier to get than permission?

[Hitpoint]

TMO did not kill them.

And after 1 guild kills the Overseer. The other guilds kill them because they assume the same guild will just kill them again. It makes sense. For this to work everyone has to be on board, or else Overseers are fair game for everyone.

[bktroost]

Which mean they become a clickfest again and TMO will nab the only 1 we get every week... again.

[khanable]

wtb efreeti belt :(

[Gaffin 7.0]

wtb efreeti belt :(

hit up eabon he usually has some :rolleyes:

[Splorf22]

It makes me sad that after we finally get some stable server time and were building up to 2 nobles a day, this happens.

[Tasslehofp99]

Who killed the overseers anyway?

Lord bob?

[Uteunayr]

Prisoner's Dilemma!

[SyanideGas]

Who killed the overseers anyway?

Lord bob?


Lol

[Hyjal]

We don't like efreetis

[wycca]

Rumor has it IB killed 3x OoA's on Tuesday in retaliation for TMO coming up to kill their Noble on tuesday. Anyone care to confirm/deny?

[Tecmos Deception]

Lol

This was the universal response in A-Team guild chat too :)

[Mezzmur]

Rumor has it IB killed 3x OoA's on Tuesday in retaliation for TMO coming up to kill their Noble on tuesday. Anyone care to confirm/deny?

Aren't mobs that have an FTE shout considered raid targets and therefore raiding?

IB wouldn't kill raid targets b/c they're suspended.

[Ella`Ella]

IB wouldn't kill a raid target on their raid suspension... Would they?

[Lazie]

IB wouldn't kill a raid target on their raid suspension... Would they?

^ Did this happen ?

[Shinko]

i heard guild shinko killed them. Then got disbanded from the GMs

[Kekephee]

http://i.imgur.com/wgXKGrz.jpg

AND ALL THE NERDS WILL LOOK UP AT ME FROM THEIR MESSY-ASS COMPUTER DESKS ASK THE PILES OF SEMEN-ENCRUSTED KLEENEX AND MOUNTAIN DEW CANS COLLAPSE ON THEM AND SMOTHER THEM, AND THEY WILL SCREAM, "CHEST, SAVE OUR RAID COMMUNITY," AND I WILL WHISPER, "NO"

[Kekephee]

fuck me, AS*** the piles, ah fuck I ruined it

[Kekephee]

Additionally:


http://i.imgur.com/z1XXbKW.jpg


THESE NERDS.... WILL EAT EACH OTHER

[rangerlive]

I *think* ASK works, too.

[bktroost]

IB wouldn't kill a raid target on their raid suspension... Would they?

Noble has an FTE message. Noble is not considered a raid target. He is fair game during a suspension.

YNYD was in effect and all guilds agreed to honor that. TMO, in order to rub it in to IB, took their Tuesday Noble. IB took 3 OOAs to retaliate. Taken killed thursday's Noble+OOA. No Nobles/OOAs left for anyone.

Welcome to WW3

[chief]

who the fuck cares , tmo deletes all the loot anyways. step up your autofire or gtfo outta the way casual scum

[Splorf22]

the endgame on this server is just mindboggling. it almost makes me want to roll a druid to get away from it

[citizen1080]

Roll red pals...the water is fine over here

[Splorf22]

epeens are 10x worse on red

[citizen1080]

Gotta try it sir...its free...you can do it while on blue..and you just read the forums which are obv worse than in game for red or blue. 1/1 Bobs approve of Red

[Emsee]

who the fuck cares , tmo deletes all the loot anyways. step up your autofire or gtfo outta the way casual scum

[Lazie]

Noble has an FTE message. Noble is not considered a raid target. He is fair game during a suspension.

YNYD was in effect and all guilds agreed to honor that. TMO, in order to rub it in to IB, took their Tuesday Noble. IB took 3 OOAs to retaliate. Taken killed thursday's Noble+OOA. No Nobles/OOAs left for anyone.

Welcome to WW3

I mean that is a great story. I just hope you don't really believe that. No one was trying to "Rub it in to IB". Noble is a raid target. Being suspended includes not killing Noble and the mobs that spawn after Noble dies. Why put an FTE shout on Noble if he wasn't a contested raid target like every other mob that is considered such ? Now if the GMs want to clarify now that he isn't that is fine by me. However Noble has always been considered a raid target or FTE would not be the rule on the mob.

[SyanideGas]

Dude Keke, what in the hell bro.

[Kekephee]

Dude Keke, what in the hell bro.

I'm just saying, h8 breeds h8 and the hardest part of a vicious cycle is breaking it and maaaayyybe we all brought this on ourselves because when one brave, heroic man dared to stand up and speak out against the insanity he was dismissed and swept aside


And maybe now it's too late, and we've all been plunged into the Hellish nightmare of the bottom right corner of Zanderr's Punnett Square of Competitive Cockblockery

[Ele]

Freetis for All! Booooo
Freetis for No one! Booooo
Freetis for some; tiny American flags for others! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Frieza_Prexus]

So all the OoA's are down now?

If so, that's incredibly stupid. This was literally the one place where cooperation led to a net gain for everyone. Who's the idiot that made that decision?

[bktroost]

I mean that is a great story. I just hope you don't really believe that. No one was trying to "Rub it in to IB". Noble is a raid target. Being suspended includes not killing Noble and the mobs that spawn after Noble dies. Why put an FTE shout on Noble if he wasn't a contested raid target like every other mob that is considered such ? Now if the GMs want to clarify now that he isn't that is fine by me. However Noble has always been considered a raid target or FTE would not be the rule on the mob.

I have confirmed it with Sirken. All Sky mobs are Free Game during Suspensions.

[bktroost]

So all the OoA's are down now?

If so, that's incredibly stupid. This was literally the one place where cooperation led to a net gain for everyone. Who's the idiot that made that decision?

Xasten, this is a result of a battle between your guild and IB. Get leadership to post on the raid forum that they want to resume the net gain for everyone and we all win again. So easy.

[Argh]

This was an extremely childish/immature thing to do.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Xasten, this is a result of a battle between your guild and IB. Get leadership to post on the raid forum that they want to resume the net gain for everyone and we all win again. So easy.

Where, how, and why is this TMO's fault? We killed the Noble, certainly, but anyone killing the OoA's does little to harm us. So it was IB that killed the OoA's, is that what I'm reading?

Whoever killed them, it was their choice, and their choice alone.

[Splorf22]

Where, how, and why is this TMO's fault? We killed the Noble, certainly, but anyone killing the OoA's does little to harm us. So it was IB that killed the OoA's, is that what I'm reading?

Whoever killed them, it was their choice, and their choice alone.

Because you guys broke the rotation?

[bktroost]

Where, how, and why is this TMO's fault? We killed the Noble, certainly, but anyone killing the OoA's does little to harm us. So it was IB that killed the OoA's, is that what I'm reading?

Whoever killed them, it was their choice, and their choice alone.

Nah, TMO Killed the Tuesday Noble when there was a standing agreement to 3+OOAs means stick to your own day.

There was confusion though. Noble is SUSPENSION PERMITTED. You can kill him while suspended. So TMO thought that Noble was SUSPENSION PROHIBITED and that a loose Noble would be up on Tuesday.

IB thought that TMO snubbed them to rub in the fact they got suspended by taking a suspension permitted mob.

In retaliation, IB killed all 3 OOAs.

then Taken killed their Noble and their OOA thinking the system is gone.

[Tiggles]

I hate how you try and actually converse with this casual trash Xatsen.

Who cares about Noble

[Juevento]

So to summarize:

TMO = douchebags
IB = petty child
Taken = retarded

got it.

[Splorf22]

BTW, I'm not putting this 100% on TMO. It was the combined actions of all 3 guilds that made us go from 4 OOAs -> 0.

And hey, my opinion hardly matters. I'm done trying to herd cats on this server, whether its The A-Team or guild actions. I don't understand why people get so fucking competitive over a 15 year old game currently stuck in an expansion that has been out for 4 years, but I've come to accept the fact that they do. To paraphrase Kenshin and Chest, I wish people would just relax and enjoy the nostalgia of classic EQ, but it just doesn't seem to be the case.

[Splorf22]

I hate how you try and actually converse with this casual trash Xatsen.

Who cares about Noble

obviously you, since you killed it? Troll fail IMO, tiggles

[Argh]

Who cares about Noble

TMO?

[bktroost]

So to summarize:

TMO = douchebags
IB = petty child
Taken = retarded

got it.

Yes, but are you ready for this fun tidbit?

Taken doesn't want to be part of the system again until BDA agrees to join the rotation for Nobles. So the server is waiting for TMO and IB to post they are still on board, class R is waiting for Taken to agree to the previous system and Taken is waiting for BDA to join the rotation.

Fun, fun, fun.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Because you guys broke the rotation?

My understanding is that we took IB's Noble due to their raid suspension. We now know, Noble was still a viable target for them, but at the time most of us were under the idea that they were suspended.

Sure, it's an in your face to IB, but that doesn't mean the OoA's needed to be killed. Better communication would have solved this on all sides. Killing the OoA's just compounded the situation, and that kind of escalation is completely unwarranted.

I suspect that TMO would be more than willing to readopt the previous stance it held now that we've clarified the status of Sky during a suspension. Given the current changes we're requesting in the raid scene vis a vis FTE, I suspect TMO's stance is more than amiable to reinforcing the OoA agreement.

[arsenalpow]

So all the OoA's are down now?

If so, that's incredibly stupid. This was literally the one place where cooperation led to a net gain for everyone. Who's the idiot that made that decision?

Except the part where TMO would just decide to kill noble they wanted if they felt like they hadn't met their noble quota lately.

[Juevento]

Don't be dense... when you guys got banned for that duping scam back in December you still raided Sky.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Except the part where TMO would just decide to kill noble they wanted if they felt like they hadn't met their noble quota lately.

TMO entered into the OoA agreement with several caveats, but we still respected the sacrosanct status of the OoA's. The ultimate outcome was still a net gain for everyone.

[bktroost]

I've been scrambling around contacting people through PMs and I actually really do believe that TMO saw an opportunity for a free Noble since IB was on suspension and didn't realize it until after they got there. At that point they weren't going to call it off so tensions got high and they nabbed it.

Oh well. IB thought it was a personal attack, especially considered what was said at the encounter, and then retaliated in extreme. Get a TMO and IB member to make a public statement on the raid page and this is solved for now.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Don't be dense... when you guys got banned for that duping scam back in December you still raided Sky.

What are you looking for? There was a legitimate question about the status of Sky. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135228&page=14) I already said that killing the Noble was a dick move to IB, and looking back it was unnecessary. Killing it wasn't a great idea, what else are you looking for?

[Juevento]

Going away and finding a new server to shit on would be a start.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Going away and finding a new server to shit on would be a start.

Oh, is that where we're at now?

Have fun jacking off in the corner.

[Juevento]

Also a guild war wouldnt be a bad idea...

[bktroost]

/sigh

[Tiggles]

obviously you, since you killed it? Troll fail IMO, tiggles

TMO?

sorry let me rephrase, who cares about other guilds Nobles.

[zanderklocke]

Ad hominem is not useful.

[Locust]

i propose all of the class R guilds merge with TMO in order to shut out IB in retaliation for killing the overseers

[Juevento]

Ad hominem is not useful.

Yo dude, i saw this sick ad when i googled hummus. Shit was tight.

[arsenalpow]

See what exposure to the red server does? It turns people like Juevento into MONSTERS!

Never red. Not once.

[Imslap]

Oh, is that where we're at now?

Have fun jacking off in the corner.

Lolololol. I love when Xasten takes his lawyer hat off and pwns some schlub.

[Juevento]

Lawyer hat? The dude is leading the group of miscreants that started off a chain reaction that screwed over rest of the server. He asked what I wanted him to do and I said go away. If TMO and IB aren't around then everyone else can have a good time.

Every single time TMO does something shitty, people like Xasten come in here and try to rationalize being an asshole. I guess I've given up trying to think they can be better. Best solution for the majority of the people on P99 is for them to go away.

[Splorf22]

My understanding is that we took IB's Noble due to their raid suspension.

I'm sorry Xasten, but that doesn't fly. When you ported up I'm sure IB flooded OOC with irritated complaints. At that point, the logical thing to do was back down:

If IB's raid suspension did not apply to sky, then you would be honoring the agreement.
If IB's raid suspension applied to Sky, then Sirken would probably extend their raid ban for another week and you guys would get a whole bunch of VP mobs while only losing noble.

Basically you guys saw the opportunity to play rule lawyer against IB. They threw a fit and killed 3 OOAs. Then Taken figured that if they killed their OOA/Hand they could get a few extra efreeti drops and point the finger at you guys.

As I said, the whole business just makes me sad, but it's what I've come to expect from the P1999 endgame where the average player's pixel lust makes a coke whore look rational.

[Ciroco]

Lolololol. I love when Xasten takes his lawyer hat off and pwns some schlub.

you have a low threshold for pwning

[Imslap]

you have a low threshold for pwning

It's more that Xasten does it so rarely and that I dislike Juevento so much that I enjoyed the exchange more than I should have.

[Frieza_Prexus]

people like Xasten come in here and try to rationalize being an asshole.

I lead nothing, and I speak for no one but myself.

I'm not rationalizing anything. I explicitly said we shouldn't have rubbed salt in IB's wound. It was not good form, and we should have communicated a lot more to put the question of propriety to rest. The question for us was "could we?" when it needed to be "should we?"

Of course, you're too busy nursing the chip on your shoulder to recognize that not everyone's out to get you. If you'd pay even the slightest bit of attention, you'd realize that I'm only of the only people in TMO that bothered to even give a shit about the way you want to play this game. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133596&highlight=ignoring+average)

You're welcome.

[Imslap]

I lead nothing, and I speak for no one but myself.

I'm not rationalizing anything. I explicitly said we shouldn't have rubbed salt in IB's wound. It was not good form, and we should have communicated a lot more to put the question of propriety to rest. The question for us was "could we?" when it needed to be "should we?"

Of course, you're too busy nursing the chip on your shoulder to recognize that not everyone's out to get you. If you'd pay even the slightest bit of attention, you'd realize that I'm only of the only people in TMO that bothered to even give a shit about the way you want to play this game. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133596&highlight=ignoring+average)

You're welcome.

He can't read that. He is busy jacking off in a corner.

[Ella`Ella]

I'm sorry Xasten, but that doesn't fly. When you ported up I'm sure IB flooded OOC with irritated complaints. At that point, the logical thing to do was back down:


Not a single /ooc was broadcasted from an IB member. Also, not a single tell was sent to an officer by their leadership. Most likely, the act was calculated before hand in this fashion "No one say anything, let them kill our noble and we'll just kill the overseers." I assume this is the same behavior that follows suit of engaging a Fay that they did not have FTE on.

[Ambrotos]

It's also the same behavior of people who condone their guild members to train raids. Amazing how it's a giant circle jerk of people shitting on each other, then try and point fingers.

[Tiggles]

If the server was just IB and TMO we would a have fun.

[Man0warr]

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS FIRED.

Still waiting for GMs to answer that petition.

[Hitpoint]

I'm sorry Xasten, but that doesn't fly. When you ported up I'm sure IB flooded OOC with irritated complaints. At that point, the logical thing to do was back down:


Actually they said absolutely nothing.

You might be surprised how tame the whole thing was. We noticed IB was in Sky and that Noble was up and left totally alone. We batphoned, thinking that they would not kill it due to the raid suspension. IB went to island 2 or something, didn't try to contest it whatsoever. We killed the noble. Everyone left, and nothing more was said about it until this RNF thread two days later.

[Argh]

There really isn't anybody else to blame for what happened other than IB. Plenty of people had Nobles sniped by TMO (their participation in a YNYD agreement varied depending on how many nobles were actually spawning per week) and nobody used that as a justification for rescinding their participation in a totally separate agreement.

[Splorf22]

Hmm, well I have to take it all back then

[Skywarp]

BK, you stupid smug bitch. Stop making shit up. Rub and snub? Really?

Shinko , stop pitching your queer ass guild name. No one cares.
Its really getting old fast and your guildmates wish you wouldn't even bring it up.

[Mezzmur]

It's also the same behavior of people who condone their guild members to train raids. Amazing how it's a giant circle jerk of people shitting on each other, then try and point fingers.

Ambro, you got a free hand? I'm bored.

[Ambrotos]

Sure man, just message me in game. Or just talk to me in guildchat, you maybe surprised.

[Locust]

It's also the same behavior of people who condone their guild members to train raids. Amazing how it's a giant circle jerk of people shitting on each other, then try and point fingers.

and boom goes the dynamite

[Kekephee]

http://www.cristalmilk.dk/wp-content/2011/09/tumblr_lpwacynFr71qcn7d7.gif

[Tecmos Deception]

Staff members are so much more cool when they aren't staff members!

[cams]

There really isn't anybody else to blame for what happened other than IB. Plenty of people had Nobles sniped by TMO (their participation in a YNYD agreement varied depending on how many nobles were actually spawning per week) and nobody used that as a justification for rescinding their participation in a totally separate agreement.

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

So your stance because TMO has a history of sniping people's noble's, it is OK, but when IB escalates in response it isn't? Also, how can you call the OOA and Noble agreements separate? One absolutely affects the other, because without both the other makes no sense - at least to the guilds who are willing to play FTE lottery on noble. No one wants to go back to that, but if TMO has carte blanche to snipe other guild's noble's, what incentive does IB have to stay in this agreement.

What should be happening in this thread is everyone who cares about this agreement telling TMO to stay out of sky when it isn't their day, IB apologizing for going nuclear, and everyone moving on. Putting the blame solely on IB only encourages TMO to do this again, which will likely result in IB escalating again, which takes us right back to IB/TMO fighting over 1 noble/ooa/hand a week.

Basically what I'm trying to say Argh is that you're dumb and should feel bad.

[Arteker]

I'm sorry Xasten, but that doesn't fly. When you ported up I'm sure IB flooded OOC with irritated complaints. At that point, the logical thing to do was back down:

If IB's raid suspension did not apply to sky, then you would be honoring the agreement.
If IB's raid suspension applied to Sky, then Sirken would probably extend their raid ban for another week and you guys would get a whole bunch of VP mobs while only losing noble.

Basically you guys saw the opportunity to play rule lawyer against IB. They threw a fit and killed 3 OOAs. Then Taken figured that if they killed their OOA/Hand they could get a few extra efreeti drops and point the finger at you guys.

As I said, the whole business just makes me sad, but it's what I've come to expect from the P1999 endgame where the average player's pixel lust makes a coke whore look rational.

there was not much ooc , they even did not showed up a single char in 1,5 . but yes there was alot of questions about if noble was yes or nai.

But back in the day in old suspensions u could not take either noble or the ooa.

[Arteker]

It's also the same behavior of people who condone their guild members to train raids. Amazing how it's a giant circle jerk of people shitting on each other, then try and point fingers.

i still have fraps of your old accidental trains in trakanon ledge back in the old days and when i hooked into kmorrax char u where gloatin in vessica die guild chat .

[Glenzig]

So the thing in getting from all this is that I probably.really don't want to do any substantial raiding on p99. This all sounds so not fun. How can all this rule lawyering be enjoyable?

[khanable]

So the thing in getting from all this is that I probably.really don't want to do any substantial raiding on p99. This all sounds so not fun. How can all this rule lawyering be enjoyable?

it's not

[Glenzig]

Is it impossible to program a lockout timer on these mobs? Or would that just not be as classic as throwing poop at each other on the forums? I mean the whole raid scene is pretty far from classic right now anyway right?

[Ambrotos]

i still have fraps of your old accidental trains in trakanon ledge back in the old days and when i hooked into kmorrax char u where gloatin in vessica die guild chat .

Cool let's watch it.

[Cecily]

Define classic raid scene. Compare and contrast P99's raid scene with classic raid scene, guy who doesn't raid.

[Man0warr]

Lockout timer as in making raid mobs invulnerable to players in X guild? Seems impossible.

[Glenzig]

Define classic raid scene. Compare and contrast P99's raid scene with classic raid scene, guy who doesn't raid.

? <<<< that's called a question mark. I was not making a statement.

[Arteker]

Cool let's watch it.
if u admits TR > Foh.

(actualy brotos i dont give a shit but u the live stuff entertaints me more ) u need to play more i miss grouping with you in sebilis

[Ambrotos]

I remember the day Krurk quit and went to TR. Was such a drama filled witch hunt day. I wish there was a way to record everything that happened back then. Would make a great book.

[Cecily]

? <<<< that's called a question mark. I was not making a statement.

Yeah, I'm familiar with the symbol. And I'm saying to elaborate on the thought which you brought up with your question, guy who gets his information on what raiding is like through these forums which provide an incomplete view at best and really shouldn't be used as a basis to post anything resembling an opinion until you've killed something remotely relevant first, like maestro.

[Glenzig]

Yeah, I'm familiar with the symbol. And I'm saying to elaborate on the thought which you brought up with your question, guy who gets his information on what raiding is like through these forums which provide an incomplete view at best and really shouldn't be used as a basis to post anything resembling an opinion until you've killed something remotely relevant first, like maestro.

Then why are you discussing raiding on the forums? No I haven't raided in p99 yet. But I've certainly heard from more than one member of.more than one guild that p99 raiding isn't like classic raiding. Is this true or not?

[Argh]

This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

So your stance because TMO has a history of sniping people's noble's, it is OK, but when IB escalates in response it isn't? Also, how can you call the OOA and Noble agreements separate? One absolutely affects the other, because without both the other makes no sense - at least to the guilds who are willing to play FTE lottery on noble. No one wants to go back to that, but if TMO has carte blanche to snipe other guild's noble's, what incentive does IB have to stay in this agreement.

What should be happening in this thread is everyone who cares about this agreement telling TMO to stay out of sky when it isn't their day, IB apologizing for going nuclear, and everyone moving on. Putting the blame solely on IB only encourages TMO to do this again, which will likely result in IB escalating again, which takes us right back to IB/TMO fighting over 1 noble/ooa/hand a week.

Basically what I'm trying to say Argh is that you're dumb and should feel bad.

If you'd like to engage in thoughtful discourse regarding how dumb I am, sign in to a non anonymous forum account--not one which you just created because your daddy doesn't let you post in RnF.

[Cecily]

Is it impossible to program a lockout timer on these mobs?

So you admit you have no idea what raiding is like, but it doesn't stop you from throwing out non-classic, more coding required ideas to fix a raid scene you know nothing about, just like BDA. You'll qualified to post here. Carry on.

[Glenzig]

So you admit you have no idea what raiding is like, but it doesn't stop you from throwing out non-classic, more coding required ideas to fix a raid scene you know nothing about, just like BDA. You'll qualified to post here. Carry on.

Well I do have a forum account. So....yeah I'm qualified to post here. Thanks for your approval though. I'm glad I got cleared by forum security.

I wasn't aware that it was considered non-kosher to ask questions. I'll send you all of my questions through pms from now on.

[Fuddwin]

Poor Chest (Variety)

[Arteker]

I remember the day Krurk quit and went to TR. Was such a drama filled witch hunt day. I wish there was a way to record everything that happened back then. Would make a great book.

i guess some day i will stop being a lazie as tard and will scan those old printed related to pop things btw tr and foh.

i promise u atleats u will get some real laughs . mainly furor and kreugen reaction when a paladin tanked inny-ct in potime lived and tr got the kill. 2 days later of furor bitching in forums inny -ct fear abbility was made much easier so wars could tank it easier.