Which guild has the most cry babies?

[Rellapse40]

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[Tiggles]

Easy, BDA

[Baldwinning]

lol no matter who you hate more, I think we can all agree that BDA is the biggest collection of sad-sack crybabies on Earth

[Glenzig]

Red server. 8)

[quido]

this is an easy one

[LulzSect]

blue server

[Shannacore]

<Rants & Flames> is the only honorable guild left on the server imo

[Glenzig]

blue server

Oh most definitely! Not even a hard call on that one.

[Argh]

total or per capita?

[Rellapse40]

not looking good for bda


rofl

[r00t]

wish to change my vote

[Machida]

<Rants & Flames> is the only honorable guild left on the server imo

your guild is retarded. poor newbs

[Shannacore]

your guild is retarded. poor newbs

This guy is still mad about Abacab, lol

[gummab]

Not voting unless all you RnFer's make a guild.

You lot cry over fuck all EVERYDAY.

[Machida]

lol. what a joke

[sanforce]

http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif

BDA is finally winning something! grats guys!

[Shannacore]

lol. what a joke

You must be the guy who keeps QQing in the reddit thread.

[Rellapse40]

Machida sounds like a world class cry baby

when guild is he in?

[Kekephee]

STOP TALKING BAD ABOUT MY GUILD


YOU GUYS ARE A BUNCH OF ASSHOLES AND YOU'RE WRONG WE AREN'T CRYBABIES


FUCK YOU YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING ASSHOLES I'M GOING TO TRAIN YOU ALL

[Kekephee]

SIRKIN MAKE THEM TAKE THIS POLL DOWN IT'S NOT FUNNY ANYMORE

[Kekephee]

I'M GOING TO TRAIN U ALL I CAN SEE WHO VOTED IN THIS POLL AND UR ALL TRAINED

[Baldwinning]

It's hilarious

[Ahldagor]

kekephee going classic whine route

[Anichek]

I think it's obvious that we (BDA) are winning due to the popularity of the Chest bash threads over the last couple days.....

....ground level, grassroots marketing. It's like this was predetermined!

[Ahldagor]

modern campaigning is nothing new. gotta pander to the little man in order to get the big bite

[Hitpoint]

It's truly and accomplishment to beat TMO in a poll where the purpose is to shit on a guild.

[Freakish]

BDA is trying to get rid of the FFA tier because they don't want to compete. I mean, come on.

[Ravager]

http://s12.postimg.org/bpew482tp/image.jpg

[Jfertal]

I'M GOING TO TRAIN U ALL I CAN SEE WHO VOTED IN THIS POLL AND UR ALL TRAINED

I voted bda

[Detoxx]

Class C / Not BDA / Class R is new rotation guys

[SoOzzam]

your guild is retarded. poor newbs

So mad

[Glenzig]

http://s12.postimg.org/bpew482tp/image.jpg

Love it!!

[Imslap]

Swish posted this. Visual evidence of BDA's crybabyness

http://i.imgur.com/rP4BlRl.gif

[Ahldagor]

http://s12.postimg.org/bpew482tp/image.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BTeTB1tfWgc/Uygl8qCcUSI/AAAAAAAAF1M/Td17sEDZnQI/s1600/applause-gif-3.gif

[YendorLootmonkey]

Pixels threatened, time to rally up the trolls, amirite?

[Tiggles]

Pixels threatened, time to rally up the trolls, amirite?

They have turned against you Yendor.

[Troubled]

BDA is trying to get rid of the FFA tier because they don't want to compete. I mean, come on.

A guild = 1 person. Interesting development.

[Tiggles]

A guild = 1 person. Interesting development.

When he is co-leader and raid leader and represents the guild on the raid discussion forum then he does represent the guild you fucking idiot.

[arsenalpow]

I still think it's a good idea. TMO and IB could go no holds barred for every spawn instead of having to adhere to server rules since the FFA cycle overlaps tiers. Isn't pure unadulterated competition what you want?

[arsenalpow]

When he is co-leader and raid leader and represents the guild on the raid discussion forum then he does represent the guild you fucking idiot.

Guys don't listen to Tiggles or Alarti, they are just the vocal minority of TMO and we aren't all like that versus Chest is the embodiment of BDA and represents them wholesale.

Make up your minds.

[Kekephee]

When he is co-leader and raid leader and represents the guild on the raid discussion forum then he does represent the guild you fucking idiot.

We shouldn't have all said "yes Chest, post that" when he asked us permission to post his suggestion


We should have been like "I disagree with it" and he would have been like "ok if you guys don't all agree with it I'm not going to post it" but instead we all said "yeah dude that's exactly what we all want"

[Funkutron5000]

Guys don't listen to Tiggles or Alarti, they are just the vocal minority of TMO and we aren't all like that versus Chest is the embodiment of BDA and represents them wholesale.

Make up your minds.

It's true. Leader of a guild is the same as member of a guild when voicing opinions/ suggestions.

[YendorLootmonkey]

When he is co-leader and raid leader and represents the guild on the raid discussion forum then he does represent the guild you fucking idiot.

I'm all for whatever threatens TMO's precious pixels and starts the TMO crybabies wailing, throwing tantrums and slinging shit like toddlers, etc. It's hilarious and absolutely pathetic at the same time. :)

[Kekephee]

It's true. Leader of a guild is the same as member of a guild when voicing opinions/ suggestions.



People think Tiggles and Alarti are leaders/officers of TMO because they talk 1000% more than anyone else. People are idiots, it's true, who think the person who talks the loudest is the one who has more right to speak. I'll bet you if I talk enough and participate in enough arguments about the raid scene and make it look like I know enough of the inner workings of various guilds I can convince 80% of this message board that I'm an officer of BDA rather than just some beautiful black Adonis who plays the flute for them sometimes.


The point being, people are idiots who make assumptions

[Kekephee]

Additionally, Tiggles and Alarti present themselves as leadership. Especially Tiggles, with all his talk about how it's "his" guild and how he "influences" everything and "controls" it all, which if I were a TMO officer I'd fucking drop his ass for that shit

[Sadad]

FFA targets should act as a stepping stone for a guild to climb out of R and into C, but when all FFA targets feature such "competition" as pets, trackers and neckbeards parked on a dragon's spawnpoint for 16 hours...yeah, that's not going to foster an environment in which a guild can feasibly "graduate" from class R. It makes a lot of sense to just get rid interleague play and make this simple for all involved.

This would also make repops less stupid. Class C guilds go after FFA mobs instead of Class C mobs (in the instance of there being more than 4 C mob in window at the time of the repop) and you have unlucky class R guilds waiting for the class lockout to go away so they can engage a dragon. It's silly, it wastes everyone's time, it's not worth it.

HOWEVER, I do understand that you guys are upset over your potential loot haul dropping from 66% to 50%.

[sanforce]

I still think it's a good idea. TMO and IB could go no holds barred for every spawn instead of having to adhere to server rules since the FFA cycle overlaps tiers. Isn't pure unadulterated competition what you want?

I'm OK with this. No holds barred for every spawn. That's 100% of boss mob spawns.... deal! Then we can all get back to pure unadulterated competition and move away from this freebie sham that got instated by guilds that suck.

[Tiggles]

Additionally, Tiggles and Alarti present themselves as leadership. Especially Tiggles, with all his talk about how it's "his" guild and how he "influences" everything and "controls" it all, which if I were a TMO officer I'd fucking drop his ass for that shit

Many years ago aadil tried to silence me and we all know what happened to him.

[Tiggles]

FFA targets should act as a stepping stone for a guild to climb out of R and into C, but when all FFA targets feature such "competition" as pets, trackers and neckbeards parked on a dragon's spawnpoint for 16 hours...yeah, that's not going to foster an environment in which a guild can feasibly "graduate" from class R. It makes a lot of sense to just get rid interleague play and make this simple for all involved.

This would also make repops less stupid. Class C guilds go after FFA mobs instead of Class C mobs (in the instance of there being more than 4 C mob in window at the time of the repop) and you have unlucky class R guilds waiting for the class lockout to go away so they can engage a dragon. It's silly, it wastes everyone's time, it's not worth it.

HOWEVER, I do understand that you guys are upset over your potential loot haul dropping from 66% to 50%.

Don't want to compete in FFA then don't compete. Don't cry for more free loot this is why everyone hates BDA even other casuals

[Alarti0001]

I'm all for whatever threatens TMO's precious pixels and starts the TMO crybabies wailing, throwing tantrums and slinging shit like toddlers, etc. It's hilarious and absolutely pathetic at the same time. :)


^^ Ultimate crybaby

People think Tiggles and Alarti are leaders/officers of TMO because they talk 1000% more than anyone else. People are idiots, it's true, who think the person who talks the loudest is the one who has more right to speak. I'll bet you if I talk enough and participate in enough arguments about the raid scene and make it look like I know enough of the inner workings of various guilds I can convince 80% of this message board that I'm an officer of BDA rather than just some beautiful black Adonis who plays the flute for them sometimes.

The point being, people are idiots who make assumptions

I have never presented myself as an officer :)

[Nivar Quartz]

Voted BDA after 5th page..

[Alarti0001]

Also taken should have been on this list.

[Sadad]

Don't want to compete in FFA then don't compete. Don't cry for more free loot this is why everyone hates BDA even other casuals

"compete"

The FFA mobs have become much more just an extension of Class C bullshit than anything else. Why wouldn't class R guilds want to change that?

FFA mobs were intended to be a platform for competition and some upward mobility but all they do is contract the number of toons allowed to poopsock. Why is BDA crazy for looking for a solution?

[Ella`Ella]

So, because you don't want to compete means that you can't compete and thus, you should eliminate the option for any Class-R guild to attempt to compete?

[Sadad]

So, because you don't want to compete means that you can't compete and thus, you should eliminate the option for any Class-R guild to attempt to compete?

compete compete compete compete compete

No, I would like to fix the situation that diminishes interest in competition. Most class R guilds aren't going to park a pet/bard/ranger/whatever on Fay's spawn point for the entirety of the window, but I think there are a few of guilds who wouldn't mind tracking it if FFA mobs were anything more than a class C sock.

Again, you keep using the word "compete" but we have different views on what it actually means. You guys wanted to stop socking, didn't you? FTE with face trackers is socking. You should want to do away with FTE'ing face trackers.

Chest's was just an alternate solution in which you guys can shit all over each other and pull dumb shit and we never have to deal with it.
I don't like the designated hitter. I would rather the AL do away with the DH entirely, but I'm willing to settle for the abolition of interleague play. Nawmean?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Compete lol

[Ella`Ella]

Again, you keep using the word "compete" but we have different views on what it actually means. You guys wanted to stop socking, didn't you? FTE with face trackers is socking. You should want to do away with FTE'ing face trackers.

Nawmean?

What I would like to see is a limit of 2 trackers in a zone that are excluded from being able to pull or assist in killing the mob. This should remove the bullshit auto-fire that IB is using. But, to be honest - face-tracking is far more desirable than clicking track every 6 seconds.

[GnashingOfTeeth]

not classic.

[arsenalpow]

compete compete compete compete compete

No, I would like to fix the situation that diminishes interest in competition. Most class R guilds aren't going to park a pet/bard/ranger/whatever on Fay's spawn point for the entirety of the window, but I think there are a few of guilds who wouldn't mind tracking it if FFA mobs were anything more than a class C sock.

Again, you keep using the word "compete" but we have different views on what it actually means. You guys wanted to stop socking, didn't you? FTE with face trackers is socking. You should want to do away with FTE'ing face trackers.

Chest's was just an alternate solution in which you guys can shit all over each other and pull dumb shit and we never have to deal with it.
I don't like the designated hitter. I would rather the AL do away with the DH entirely, but I'm willing to settle for the abolition of interleague play. Nawmean?

I always thought that's what TMO wanted, pure competition with IB. Y'all can shit all over each other and class R can do what we do.

[Ella`Ella]

I always thought that's what TMO wanted, pure competition with IB. Y'all can shit all over each other and class R can do what we do.

I'd rather shit all over you.

[arsenalpow]

I'd rather shit all over you.

which won't happen because class R doesn't want to go play in the mud with you obv

[Ella`Ella]

which won't happen because class R doesn't want to go play in the mud with you obv


I wasn't talking about shitting on Class-R or BDA as a whole; just you.

[Rellapse40]

have never saw this community all agree on 1 thing

congrats bda leaders 4 making your guild look so bad

[arsenalpow]

have never saw this community all agree on 1 thing

congrats bda leaders 4 making your guild look so bad

didn't realize "the community" was the vocal minority of RnF trolls

[Rellapse40]

ya all 52 who voted are trolls

lulz

naw

your guild is just terrible

[Sadad]

What I would like to see is a limit of 2 trackers in a zone that are excluded from being able to pull or assist in killing the mob. This should remove the bullshit auto-fire that IB is using. But, to be honest - face-tracking is far more desirable than clicking track every 6 seconds.

It's easier for the tracker, but the bullshit of tracker-FTE more than negates that luxury.

If IB can also agree on this, we might be able to get some traction on it.

[Kekephee]

ya all 52 who voted are trolls

lulz

naw

your guild is just terrible

You're taking this poll seriously? What the hell is wrong with you

PS they're all in TMO

[Ella`Ella]

It's easier for the tracker, but the bullshit of tracker-FTE more than negates that luxury.

If IB can also agree on this, we might be able to get some traction on it.

I brought this up with Hokushin and he was on board with it. Then I pissed him off or some shit and all of a sudden it was no longer a good idea.

Since the staff can't/won't do shit about auto-fire, this is an easy way to eliminate its effect on the game. That might also be the reason this was 'no longer a good idea'.

[arsenalpow]

I brought this up with Hokushin and he was on board with it. Then I pissed him off or some shit and all of a sudden it was no longer a good idea.

Since the staff can't/won't do shit about auto-fire, this is an easy way to eliminate its effect on the game. That might also be the reason this was 'no longer a good idea'.

it just turns encounters into a foot race with bards right? I don't think it will better or worse, just different

[Ella`Ella]

it just turns encounters into a foot race with bards right? I don't think it will better or worse, just different

Chest, why don't you solve one crisis at a time. Finish getting your Verina Tomb shit resolved, then worry about the rest of the servers problems.

[Kekephee]

Just think Chest, if ffa encounters become a bard footrace you will be largely dependent on my skill and my ability to do what I'm supposed to!

[Ella`Ella]

it just turns encounters into a foot race with bards right? I don't think it will better or worse, just different

Make it so current members in the zone during the pop are excluded from the kill too in that case. This way you don't just have bards sitting idle waiting to tag.

[arsenalpow]

Make it so current members in the zone during the pop are excluded from the kill too in that case. This way you don't just have bards sitting idle waiting to tag.

like they won't be idling as character select? you know exactly how this type of thing goes, gotta push that envelope

as sadad eloquently put we need to remove interleague play. Then class C can set their own terms of engagement. You want to go no-CSR/no-PnP you can. The class overlap hasn't done anything to promote advancement to class C, if anything it's completely stifled it (the ability to compete vs the want to stoop to the current class C tactics)

[Hitpoint]

it just turns encounters into a foot race with bards right? I don't think it will better or worse, just different

To sit in one spot for 10 hours on a Saturday, spamming one key until the muscles in your hand hurt, is bad enough. Then if you're actually successful and win the coin toss, you get threatened and accused of cheating. Even if this turns into a contest of who's puller can load in faster, it's still an improvement imo.

[Freakish]

FFA is doing exactly what FFA was intended to do. Let those in Class R see how Class C plays to decide if they would like to advance to the next tier. Is BDA upset that they won't compete on FFA mobs? Why not try for VS, Trak, Gorenaire, Nagafen, Vox. Those guys aren't instantly engaged. Sure you have to track it still but its just a mobilization game.

If we had more server repops like we had at the beginning I don't think anyone would be crying. Class C would be leaving a bunch of FFA targets up all the time in that case.

[Lazie]

like they won't be idling as character select? you know exactly how this type of thing goes, gotta push that envelope

as sadad eloquently put we need to remove interleague play. Then class C can set their own terms of engagement. You want to go no-CSR/no-PnP you can. The class overlap hasn't done anything to promote advancement to class C, if anything it's completely stifled it (the ability to compete vs the want to stoop to the current class C tactics)

No we don't. That is BDA yet again pushing for loot without effort.

[Lazie]

FFA is doing exactly what FFA was intended to do. Let those in Class R see how Class C plays to decide if they would like to advance to the next tier. Is BDA upset that they won't compete on FFA mobs? Why not try for VS, Trak, Gorenaire, Nagafen, Vox. Those guys aren't instantly engaged. Sure you have to track it still but its just a mobilization game.

If we had more server repops like we had at the beginning I don't think anyone would be crying. Class C would be leaving a bunch of FFA targets up all the time in that case.

BDA wipes on the last FFA VS. There is a reason they want it easier.

[Hodge]

Lazie gets a little piece of the pie and becomes a total sell out.

[Tasslehofp99]

Lazie gets a little piece of the pie and becomes a total sell out.

Lazie earned his piece of the pie, you seem jealous.

[arsenalpow]

Lazie joined TMO, you seem jealous.

[Freakish]

I don't care if they wipe on VS. TMO has wiped on it. IB wiped on the last VS as well. Taken wiped before that. It happens. Keep trying.

[Sadad]

Lazie gets a little piece of the pie and becomes a total sell out.

You're thinking about Layze, who is still a cool dude. This is just some random TMOFE who religiously updates the TMO recruitment thread and keeps close tabs on BDA's repop performance.

To sit in one spot for 10 hours on a Saturday, spamming one key until the muscles in your hand hurt, is bad enough. Then if you're actually successful and win the coin toss, you get threatened and accused of cheating. Even if this turns into a contest of who's puller can load in faster, it's still an improvement imo.

And there is Lazie's guildmate, describing "effort" and "competition."

I brought this up with Hokushin and he was on board with it. Then I pissed him off or some shit and all of a sudden it was no longer a good idea.

Since the staff can't/won't do shit about auto-fire, this is an easy way to eliminate its effect on the game. That might also be the reason this was 'no longer a good idea'.

This is a pretty good argument for why we should remove FFA mobs altogether. It's a shame that the rest of the server has to deal with autofire shenanigans because of a Class C lover's quarrel.

Does Hoku care to comment on the subject?

[Dragonsblood1987]

TMO without a doubt, but chest alone brings BDA into a very close second place.

[Lazie]

I put forth no effort for the good of my guild. Instead I bitch about other people that do.

[Hitpoint]

This is a pretty good argument for why we should remove FFA mobs altogether. It's a shame that the rest of the server has to deal with autofire shenanigans because of a Class C lover's quarrel.

Does Hoku care to comment on the subject?

Care to comment on how "autofire shenanigans" effects you or your guild?

[arsenalpow]

Care to comment on how "autofire shenanigans" effects you or your guild?

provides a disincentive to going after FFA targets?

[Hitpoint]

provides a disincentive to going after FFA targets?

I don't think I've ever seen BDA go after an FFA target that wasn't spawned by a full server repop. Even before targets were being jav spammed.

[Hitpoint]

Because back then BDA was just unwilling to track, right? Conveniently now we can blame BDAs unwillingness to do anything to secure an engage on the possibility of autofire.

[Lazie]

You're thinking about Layze, who is still a cool dude. This is just some random TMOFE who religiously updates the TMO recruitment thread and keeps close tabs on BDA's repop performance.



And there is Lazie's guildmate, describing "effort" and "competition."



This is a pretty good argument for why we should remove FFA mobs altogether. It's a shame that the rest of the server has to deal with autofire shenanigans because of a Class C lover's quarrel.

Does Hoku care to comment on the subject?

Toe that company line while being completely wrong as usual. As for keeping up with BDA performance I watched it happen at that VS. We killed it after. Surprised you guys didn't update your guild thread "WE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED A FFA MOB!"

[arsenalpow]

I don't think I've ever seen BDA go after an FFA target that wasn't spawned by a full server repop. Even before targets were being jav spammed.

how about the inny shit show where FTE was bounced around by 4 IB/TMO monks while the zerg was on him in under 30 seconds, or the FFA draco that turned into 100+ people waiting in feerott...should i keep going?

[Lazie]

how about the inny shit show where FTE was bounced around by 4 IB/TMO monks while the zerg was on him in under 30 seconds, or the FFA draco that turned into 100+ people waiting in feerott...should i keep going?

You mean the Inny where your raid leaders still have no clue what happened ? The one where they made up theories and tried to pass it off as fact ?

[Hitpoint]

how about the inny shit show where FTE was bounced around by 4 IB/TMO monks while the zerg was on him in under 30 seconds, or the FFA draco that turned into 100+ people waiting in feerott...should i keep going?

I stand corrected. Good job choosing to actually try, on the two worst FFA targets in recent memory. May I suggest putting someone at Fay or Sev while other class C targets and VP are actually in window?

I still don't see how the recent jav spam escalation is any of your concern. It's a problem that effects class C primarily, and other guilds that actually try, like Taken. It's being worked on.

[Sadad]

Because back then BDA was just unwilling to track, right? Conveniently now we can blame BDAs unwillingness to do anything to secure an engage on the possibility of autofire.

"Hurr durr I don't like Chest"

No, we didn't want to track mobs for 90 hour windows
No, we don't want to force some poor necro alt to park a pet somewhere in the middle of the ocean for 2/3rds of a day, put a bp cleric + warrior in VS pit, whatever.

[Lazie]

No we don't want to compete and will make excuses why.

[Sadad]

http://replygif.net/i/165.gif

[Lazie]

http://replygif.net/i/165.gif

Gifs won't change facts. With each set of rules BDA comes up with new excuses.

[Sadad]

You're either full of shit or simply don't know what you're talking about. BDA has tracked, FTE'd, competed, etc, many times before. We don't like the current FFA atmosphere and are attempting to change it.

[Lazie]

You're either full of shit or simply don't know what you're talking about. BDA has tracked, FTE'd, competed, etc, many times before. We don't like the current FFA atmosphere and are attempting to change it.

We do know because we are on those spawns. Making up fairy tales in pointless when none of your guild members are seen at these spawns. Guess you gotta lie to actually have an argument though.

[Man0warr]

We do know because we are on those spawns. Making up fairy tales in pointless when none of your guild members are seen at these spawns. Guess you gotta lie to actually have an argument though.

He didn't say BDA is competing for FFA spawns recently, just that BDA has in the past.

Are you some new TMO slaveboy they are forcing to track for 16 hours every day? Because you are ultra defensive in all these threads about how much "skill" it takes you to do so.

[Lazie]

He didn't say BDA is competing for FFA spawns recently, just that BDA has in the past.

Are you some new TMO slaveboy they are forcing to track for 16 hours every day? Because you are ultra defensive in all these threads about how much "skill" it takes you to do so.

:rolleyes:

Yeah I am the defensive one obvious by the response of you and your officers.

[Sadad]

We do know because we are on those spawns. Making up fairy tales in pointless when none of your guild members are seen at these spawns. Guess you gotta lie to actually have an argument though.

Like I said, we have tracked and competed for FFA mobs before. If you think I'm making that up, ask someone who joined the forums before fall of last year.

[Lazie]

Like I said, we have tracked and competed for FFA mobs before. If you think I'm making that up, ask someone who joined the forums before fall of last year.

Why ? There were no FFA class before fall of last year. I mean if you attempted mobs in the fall of last year then please clarify. I suspect you haven't attempted anything since your best raiders left your guild and formed FE.

[Rellapse40]

the only time bda ever got mobs when they were ffa is when both guilds were raid suspended lawlz


srsly worst guild ever

[Sadad]

Why ? There were no FFA class before fall of last year. I mean if you attempted mobs in the fall of last year then please clarify. I suspect you haven't attempted anything since your best raiders left your guild and formed FE.

Haha what toon did you play before Lazie?

[Lazie]

Should have clarified you guys did ranger track one Innoruuk that was FFA. Aside from that you only go after FFA targets on server repops..Because you know the chance of losing them is low if we are busy elsewhere.

[Lazie]

Haha what toon did you play before Lazie?

:) A few.

[Sadad]

Sounds like you have something to hide, bro.

[Lazie]

Sounds like you have something to hide, bro.

I don't. Sounds like you need to change the subject because you no longer have an argument. Which is a reasonable thing to do.

[Hitpoint]

Like I said, we have tracked and competed for FFA mobs before. If you think I'm making that up, ask someone who joined the forums before fall of last year.

You know what we're talking about. It's not just Lazie saying BDA doesn't try to raid. Everyone knows it, because more or less it's true.

In FE we didn't have to ask druids to track fay for their epic. They did it because they wanted to. Because it wasn't really that much different than spending hours in KC or chardok, you just get different rewards. They wanted druid epic, maybe someone else wants a fungi tunic.

I don't know what BDA does to prevent their hundreds of members from taking it upon themselves to track the raid mobs that they personally want to kill. For some mobs (fay, sev, tal), it only takes one person to FTE and batphone. They've done the work already. It's just up to everyone else to show up for the kill.

[Juevento]

I keep seeing this compete word and am confused...

Is the competition a PvP battle to determine rights to attempt a raid boss or are we still talking about the first person to push a button?

Cause the latter answer sounds pretty fucking stupid.

[Hitpoint]

And I mean my previous post to be constructive, not condescending at all. I don't understand and I'm trying to. I think other people don't understand either. There must be a guild policy to ignore non-rotated mobs? I can't explain it otherwise.

[Lazie]

And I mean my previous post to be constructive, not condescending at all. I don't understand and I'm trying to. I think other people don't understand either. There must be a guild policy to ignore non-rotated mobs? I can't explain it otherwise.

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

[Man0warr]

Don't need to take part in something stupid to know it's stupid.

[Lazie]

Don't need to take part in something stupid to know it's stupid.

Excuses are nice. :)

[Hitpoint]

Don't need to take part in something stupid to know it's stupid.

This entire game is just grinding in one spot waiting for things. Whether it's faydedar or your next exp level. I don't know what you did in EQ today, but I bet it wasn't THAT much different than tracking. And I bet it was a whole lot less rewarding.

[Lazie]

This entire game is just grinding in one spot waiting for things. Whether it's faydedar or your next exp level. I don't know what you did in EQ today, but I bet it wasn't THAT much different than tracking. And I bet it was a whole lot less rewarding.

They push buttons for hours gaining xp or camping items but can't push track/macro (unless of course it is their mob on the rotation). Pushing a button in one scenario is "Stupid" but isn't in the other. I agree some changes need to be made to the tracking/FTE part of the game to eliminate accusations guilds throw at each other. I just don't agree that FFA needs to be given up as a class simply because you can't find someone to hit a button.

[Man0warr]

This entire game is just grinding in one spot waiting for things. Whether it's faydedar or your next exp level. I don't know what you did in EQ today, but I bet it wasn't THAT much different than tracking. And I bet it was a whole lot less rewarding.

Your right - but most other activities you can do in EQ are much more fun or personally rewarding than tracking a mob for 16 hours. There's a reason people are using autofire macros with their G15 keyboards lately.

[Lazie]

Your right - but most other activities you can do in EQ are much more fun or personally rewarding than tracking a mob for 16 hours. There's a reason people are using autofire macros with their G15 keyboards lately.

Clueless.

[Jfertal]

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

Most of us have been on the server since beta or shortly after, so we do know a little bit about this "competition" you speak of. I may be casual scum, probbaly the scumiest out of all of BDA. but I've pulled more dragons and raids mobs then you sport, now weather we whiped on those encounters or not, this same notion of competition/FTE was always the same. I am jealous of your sweet robe though bro!

[Kekephee]

Exactly. I am confused mostly about how the Officers of BDA is trying to make changes to something they never/rarely attempt as a guild. Yet we as a server are supposed to believe they know what they are talking about and support them in their endeavor for easier loot without working/competing for it.

the simplest answer is, all the shit BDA doesn't take part in is shit that we stopped taking part in because we felt it needed to be changed and didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Your position that we "can't" compete and "never could" and that's why you don't see us out there on FFA VS/Fay/Inny, not because we decided as a guild* with the successive bullshitting of each of these fights to opt out of them, is false.

*When I say "we decided as a guild," what I mean is that our guild leadership decided, and we all agreed implicitly by continuing to stay in the guild. Me, personally? I'd like to keep trying for Inny. Now that we know the bullshit games that other guilds are going to play with monk trackers and have the option of doing the same thing ourselves, I'd like to keep at it. But we're not, and I'm fine with it- I don't care enough about Inny, VS, or Fay to deguild over it. Why do I bring this up? Because this attitude of "all BDA are crybabies who don't want to compete" is stupid. I like competing- within reason. I also, however, agree with Chest and support his endless fight to get things fixed so that we can ALL enjoy this game, not just a select handful of ubernerd sadists whose primary joy comes from cockblocking everyone else from getting to take part in the dragon raids that made this game so fucking good 15 years ago.

[Lazie]

Most of us have been on the server since beta or shortly after, so we do know a little bit about this "competition" you speak of. I may be casual scum, probbaly the scumiest out of all of BDA. but I've pulled more dragons and raids mobs then you sport, now weather we whiped on those encounters or not, this same notion of competition/FTE was always the same. I am jealous of your sweet robe though bro!

I never called you guys casual scum btw. I think that is mostly a running joke. The competition now isn't the same as it was before and whether you were here at the start of the server or started 2 years ago you really have to play in the current environment before understanding it.

As I said my beef isn't with the way mobs are pulled or engaged. There are ways to change that to make it a little easier for everyone that wants to compete. Which is a better option than getting rid of the FFA class. You will in either case have to hit a button though and people willing to do it.

[Ella`Ella]

Most of us have been on the server since beta or shortly after, so we do know a little bit about this "competition" you speak of. I may be casual scum, probbaly the scumiest out of all of BDA. but I've pulled more dragons and raids mobs then you sport, now weather we whiped on those encounters or not, this same notion of competition/FTE was always the same. I am jealous of your sweet robe though bro!

You're not casual scum. Stop denying your birthright and come home.

[Lazie]

the simplest answer is, all the shit BDA doesn't take part in is shit that we stopped taking part in because we felt it needed to be changed and didn't want to deal with the bullshit. Your position that we "can't" compete and "never could" and that's why you don't see us out there on FFA VS/Fay/Inny, not because we decided as a guild* with the successive bullshitting of each of these fights to opt out of them, is false.

*When I say "we decided as a guild," what I mean is that our guild leadership decided, and we all agreed implicitly by continuing to stay in the guild. Me, personally? I'd like to keep trying for Inny. Now that we know the bullshit games that other guilds are going to play with monk trackers and have the option of doing the same thing ourselves, I'd like to keep at it. But we're not, and I'm fine with it- I don't care enough about Inny, VS, or Fay to deguild over it. Why do I bring this up? Because this attitude of "all BDA are crybabies who don't want to compete" is stupid. I like competing- within reason. I also, however, agree with Chest and support his endless fight to get things fixed so that we can ALL enjoy this game, not just a select handful of ubernerd sadists whose primary joy comes from cockblocking everyone else from getting to take part in the dragon raids that made this game so fucking good 15 years ago.

Chest isn't trying to fix anything. He is trying to get rid of a competitive raid class in the raiding environment. If he was trying to fix it he would discuss ways to change the way mobs are tracked/engaged.

[Kekephee]

If he was trying to fix it he would discuss ways to change the way mobs are tracked/engaged.

Oh, I get it. You're trolling. You'd have to be since everything Chest has been ranting and raving about for literally the entire length of time I've been in this guild, and the smart money is much, much earlier than that, has everything to do with how mobs are tracked and engaged.


Trak's lair becomes a horrid poopsock hovel, a shantytown where cartoon character drones piloted by angioplasty cases sit around for weeks at a time waiting for pops? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

Guilds buying up accounts en masse so they can leave hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs and their members can stand around with twelve character select screens loaded up for easy logging in on whatever spawns? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

VS/Inny become fights where guilds leave monks as trackers spamming javelins for FTE and Chest loses his shit- that's an engagement issue and a tracking issue


The problem with all the FFA shit as it is now, the reason Chest is fighting so hard to get it changed, is that there is no competition for first engagement in any healthy sense- it's about staring the longest at the screen, pushing "JAVELIN GO" first, scrapping and clawing and trampling each other with trains for FTE. These are engagement and tracking issues.

[Hitpoint]

Your right - but most other activities you can do in EQ are much more fun or personally rewarding than tracking a mob for 16 hours. There's a reason people are using autofire macros with their G15 keyboards lately.

I would strongly disagree that anything outside of raiding has the potential to be more rewarding than tracking. Raid mobs drop pretty good stuff. Not to mention your giving your guild an opportunity to do something fun. Isn't that what all these arguments are about anyway? Making mobs more available because people want to kill them. Well there's nothing more available to a guild than Faydedar chasing one of their guild members to ogre island. An individual can make that happen.

If you mean personally rewarding to the tracker himself- well you helped out the guild a lot and people notice, you'll get dkp for it, not only that but loot council often favors those who put in time tracking.

[Jfertal]

You're not casual scum. Stop denying your birthright and come home.

only if you get svenn and lucabrazi to come too! my lord!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hitpoint]

^you're* giving your guild...

[Kekephee]

If you ask me, you know what was fun in this game? When I would log into EQ and my guild leader and officers would be logging in trackers all over Velious, checking them to see what was up. They'd find something up- oh, look at that, Yelinak is up. Oh, look at that, Vindi is up. Quick, VS is up, let's get him. The guild would mobilize and we'd go to wherever the mob already was- because we had no idea when it would be up. And if someone zoned in first- oh, look, Blood of Ro beat us to Kael, they're clearing to Vindi- we would follow just behind them, far enough away that if they wiped we could step over their corpses and take over to get there first. It wasn't about standing there waiting for the spawn, it was about finding out the spawn had happened and moving to it without steamrolling or training.

[Jfertal]

^you're* giving your guild...

You're a troll im an ogre, not everyone is perfect!

[Hitpoint]

You're a troll im an ogre, not everyone is perfect!

I wish I could edit on here... Also, I wish I rolled ogre...

[Funkutron5000]

You're a troll im an ogre, not everyone is perfect!

High elf paladin, so, yeah, some of us are perfect.

[Xerxes]

corova wins o7

[Shinko]

o6

[arsenalpow]

High elf paladin, so, yeah, some of us are perfect.

corova wins o7

Incorrect. There's only one crusader boys.

http://i.imgur.com/yxfB8WO.jpg

[Lazie]

Oh, I get it. You're trolling. You'd have to be since everything Chest has been ranting and raving about for literally the entire length of time I've been in this guild, and the smart money is much, much earlier than that, has everything to do with how mobs are tracked and engaged.

Chest only wants changes that makes its a sure thing his guild will get more kills with limited effort. You still have to track your free mobs don't you ? Exactly. But you won't track and attempt mobs where the guild has to compete and be the fast and efficient. Sounds like a player issue and not a track and engage issue.


[QUOTE=Kekephee;1472072]Trak's lair becomes a horrid poopsock hovel, a shantytown where cartoon character drones piloted by angioplasty cases sit around for weeks at a time waiting for pops? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

2 people sit in the lair for a 16 hour window. Most of the time it takes less than 8 hours of tracking on a lot of these mobs. That is what variance does. No one is spending weeks at Trak. Again sounds like a lack of desire to want to put in a tracking effort when there is a chance you might lose. Player issue.

Guilds buying up accounts en masse so they can leave hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs and their members can stand around with twelve character select screens loaded up for easy logging in on whatever spawns? That's a tracking and engagement issue.

I dunno about accounts bought because I never bought one. I do know that there are "hundreds of alts camped out at the spawn points of various mobs". There are a lot and a lot of them are player leveled and some of them were bought when accounts were tradeable. TMO is not the only guild that had players buy accounts. Your logic is flawed though if the accounts were bought they would be different character select screens. I though personally have a necro and monk. I leveled both. As has many others in our guild.

VS/Inny become fights where guilds leave monks as trackers spamming javelins for FTE and Chest loses his shit- that's an engagement issue and a tracking issue

I got FTE on the last Inny being ported up from WC. Sounds like Chest needs to get better at the game or at least be aware of EQ mechanics on these engages and how to take advantage of them. However if you Ranger Track Inny it is no different than face tracking Inny with someone there on the spawn. The person on the spawn simply knows quicker than a Ranger and can be ready to take the first DT. Engage VS instantly is just as risky btw and isn't always instantly engaged.


The problem with all the FFA shit as it is now, the reason Chest is fighting so hard to get it changed, is that there is no competition for first engagement in any healthy sense- it's about staring the longest at the screen, pushing "JAVELIN GO" first, scrapping and clawing and trampling each other with trains for FTE. These are engagement and tracking issues.

The problem with your comment is you think you are an expert to decide that. Unless you attempt to raid these targets you have no clue how healthy it is or isn't in the current system. The fact that you don't attempt these mobs is obvious in how you think these engages go. You are wrong in most cases that you listed.

[Kekephee]

You're right, I'm making up all of these things


The truth is I've never been to an Inny, Trak, or VS ffa, and I also definitely don't read these boards and see people talking about what happens at every single one because invariably there is always some huge fucking issue with how the kill went down. So since I don't read these boards and see logs of all these fights, blow-by-blow first-hand accounts of what happened, and endless, ENDLESS argument over every pixel of excruciating minutae of every single fight, there is literally no possible way to deduce or reason how things go that I personally, not being a monk or a member of TMO THE ONLY GUILD THAT RAIDS ANYTHING EVER ALL THE REST ARE PRETENDING do not have first hand access to


Which is everything, because I don't even play

[Lazie]

You're right, I'm making up all of these things


The truth is I've never been to an Inny, Trak, or VS ffa, and I also definitely don't read these boards and see people talking about what happens at every single one because invariably there is always some huge fucking issue with how the kill went down. So since I don't read these boards and see logs of all these fights, blow-by-blow first-hand accounts of what happened, and endless, ENDLESS argument over every pixel of excruciating minutae of every single fight, there is literally no possible way to deduce or reason how things go that I personally, not being a monk or a member of TMO THE ONLY GUILD THAT RAIDS ANYTHING EVER ALL THE REST ARE PRETENDING do not have first hand access to


Which is everything, because I don't even play

Link to these things you read on the forums. We need sources.

[Lazie]

I do enjoy the "I read it on the forums" defense though.

[Hitpoint]

don't read these boards and see people talking

Here's your problem.

Only the problem kills get posted about. 98% of the time there's no issue. Also, people on these boards are idiots.

[toosweet]

Why is there no new pics of fattyfattys hot Asian bitch posted yet to derail this thread?

[Lazie]

Why is there no new pics of fattyfattys hot Asian bitch posted yet to derail this thread?

In this case.. Please derail Fatty.

[Hitpoint]

Why is there no new pics of fattyfattys hot Asian bitch posted yet to derail this thread?

I think it's time.

[arsenalpow]

They aren't deserving. Do not waver Fatty.

[Ella`Ella]

They aren't deserving. Do not waver Fatty.

Don't tell Fatty what to do.

[Dillian]

your guild is retarded. poor newbs
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/you-mad-bro-lol-butthurt.jpg

[Man0warr]

If you mean personally rewarding to the tracker himself- well you helped out the guild a lot and people notice, you'll get dkp for it, not only that but loot council often favors those who put in time tracking.

I have and do track for the guild, with no gain in mind (we don't have DKP so the only reward is the thanks of my guildmates, which is enough). But I don't expect everyone to feel that way - everyone's time is valuable in it's own way and Chest/Sadad aren't going to dictate for people in BDA.

[Kekephee]

I do enjoy the "I read it on the forums" defense though.

As much as you enjoyed ignoring everything else that I said, including that I see this shit myself and that my guildies see this shit themselves and that I've played this fucking game before and know how these fights go and the mechanics of it


Also don't try to put me in a tough spot where I have a choice between wasting my time digging for shit that is all around us all over this board just so you can pretend it isn't applicable or not wasting my time and you give me the old neener neener I have yet to see proof. Fuck that noise.


Tell you what, you prove to me that you're not lying through your teeth when you say you've been here for all this- name your previous characters, give us a timeline of how long you've been on the raid scene, prove that you're not basing everything you're saying off of parroting other, more experienced tmo trolls and really you have no idea what trakanon was like before the rotation got put in (seems to be the case to me) and I'll dig. Ya hear? I'll dig for you then and only then. Because I have a hunch you can't do it, mister "you don't know how these fites work lol" who doesn't even know about the Trakanon clusterfucks

[Rellapse40]

one thing is certain

bda's tears produces

novels

[Kekephee]

udder ppl more articalate than me y'all

[HeallunRumblebelly]

As much as you enjoyed ignoring everything else that I said, including that I see this shit myself and that my guildies see this shit themselves and that I've played this fucking game before and know how these fights go and the mechanics of it


Also don't try to put me in a tough spot where I have a choice between wasting my time digging for shit that is all around us all over this board just so you can pretend it isn't applicable or not wasting my time and you give me the old neener neener I have yet to see proof. Fuck that noise.


Tell you what, you prove to me that you're not lying through your teeth when you say you've been here for all this- name your previous characters, give us a timeline of how long you've been on the raid scene, prove that you're not basing everything you're saying off of parroting other, more experienced tmo trolls and really you have no idea what trakanon was like before the rotation got put in (seems to be the case to me) and I'll dig. Ya hear? I'll dig for you then and only then. Because I have a hunch you can't do it, mister "you don't know how these fites work lol" who doesn't even know about the Trakanon clusterfucks

I mean, I've been here since oct 09, have been raiding since before first 15 and can tell you Lazie has a good sense of these things. Trak before the COTH race would result in a train of the hill every time, but this was mitigated by like 2 years of kiting over the water when needed. Sub 5 second trak engages with unlimited DA stalls as needed (db/da/idol and sometimes corpsed idols if they felt they were necessary). All worked out eventually, but the COTH race is still fucking terrible.

[Susano]

we would follow just behind them, far enough away that if they wiped we could step over their corpses and take over to get there first.

Good guy Kekephee reminiscing about having fun being a leapfrogging shitbag.

[Troubled]

Personally, I don't want to see the FFA portion of the 1/1/1 disappear, and you're going to start seeing me sit around waiting to tag.

I do believe a lot of people would like to see a middle ground between "no ffa ever" and instant tagging by trackers, between both class C & R. Let's say that the rule was changed or there was a gentlemen's rule to not engage with trackers. Where is the next stop, and does it really matter? Doubt it. Maybe, but doubt it.

Class R seems to want to emulate the classic they remember, which basically boils down to no batphone and no vent, in reality. Not plausible. Never gonna happen. Hating on any certain guild for not playing the way you want isn't going to change anything. The guild tag has nothing to do with it. Players want what they want and will congregate to whatever channel will provide.

I don't see a middle ground, and fighting for one, I think, is futile. Maybe the closest we could get is to make it so no one in zone when the mob pops is able to get FTE, as someone suggested earlier. I'm not sure that's the only solution, but I haven't seen a better one suggested.

[Emsee]

You don't compete Kekephee because you can't compete, that's the bottom line. You retards want to talk about pvp or whatever nonsensical rhetoric because there is no way to prove such. Time and time again on these boards you have claimed victim rhetoric only to be slapped in the face by the truth; you know shit about the end game raiding on p99 and when you lose, you lie.

How the fuck can anyone on this server take BDA seriously when the entire basis of an argument is completely misconstrued, without knowledge, and baseless. The only time you "Server Warriors" have tried to compete you completely dodged the rules and got shit on by the GM's. You people have nothing left but to bully the smaller guy all the while claiming you are their ally's. Fuck you, fuck BDA, and your lies. You were given your chance to compete and you completely broke the rules trying to do so.

[Ahldagor]

Why is there no new pics of fattyfattys hot Asian bitch posted yet to derail this thread?

http://www.mytinyphone.com/uploads/users/jonnybravo/427603.gif

[Godefroi]

According to Hyjal's new post in raid chat proposing to remove FTE, please vote lord bob.

This guy is clearly new and never went to PoH with 125 people sitting on Inny's spawn.

[Jarnauga]

Why is FE not competing with TMO right now ?

[BurgyK]

I got it! No trackers, just global text each pop! Everybody happy!

[Tiggles]

I got it! No trackers, just global text each pop! Everybody happy!

I'd like an P99 App you can download that hooks into the Raid.php so you can see the lock outs and it acts like a batphone that if you opt in will ring when a raidmob you selected targeted.

I've played around with the Android SDK a bit, I bet I could make a simple raid tracker app that reads the raid page.

[Tiggles]

Also, Can we all agree that IB is raid suspended for 2 weeks and that's hilarious?

[Godefroi]

[QUOTE=eqmaze;1472463]
New rule. If your not Class C Shut your dirty rambling cock holster about what needs to happen with Class C. /QUOTE]


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[Rellapse40]

day two: Bda still crying

[Imslap]

Also, Can we all agree that IB is raid suspended for 2 weeks and that's hilarious?

IB get suspended and all we get to talk about is the same old song and dance about how BDA are bad and big ole crybabies.

What a shame.

[chief]

yikes bda

[Man0warr]

How the fuck can anyone on this server take BDA seriously when the entire basis of an argument is completely misconstrued, without knowledge, and baseless. The only time you "Server Warriors" have tried to compete you completely dodged the rules and got shit on by the GM's. You people have nothing left but to bully the smaller guy all the while claiming you are their ally's. Fuck you, fuck BDA, and your lies. You were given your chance to compete and you completely broke the rules trying to do so.

Except we didn't break a defined rule - because no rule it was (and still is) ambiguous "don't have more than two players near a raid spawn location". Only since through trial and error have guilds figured out where they can have forces idling for different raid targets - it's still not posted anywhere officially.

No one knew how close too close was during the first spawn of the new rules, and apparently being near King zone out when Trak spawned was deemed too close and "broke the spirit of the rule" and were made an example of.

[Rellapse40]

can BDA reach 100 votes????

[bktroost]

TMO is only 7% behind.

[Baldwinning]

I'd put money on Chest being a virgin.

[bktroost]

I'd put money on Chest being a virgin.

I'd be careful Baldwinning, if he is and goes all Isla Vista you probably just made his list.

[sulious]

can BDA reach 100 votes????

Of course. BDA Winning!

[Imslap]

I am disappointed in whoever voted for Azure Guard. You are a heartless bastard

[Tiggles]

TMO is only 7% behind.

Of course, when BDA is 40% of the active server population they can swing a lot of votes.

[Rellapse40]

was funny reading what chest wrote yesterday that only the rnf trolls voted for bda

[Man0warr]

I mean you can see who voted for what, looks pretty accurate.

[McnealJ]

I am disappointed in whoever voted for Azure Guard. You are a heartless bastard

Yeah right there is at least one super whiner in that guild. Made a whole thread whining about me when the issue was really how retarded he was.

[bktroost]

Of course, when BDA is 40% of the active server population they can swing a lot of votes.

Touche'

[Imslap]

I mean you can see who voted for what, looks pretty accurate.

How do you see who voted for which option? Mine just shows sum totals.

[Rellapse40]

click the number

[Imslap]

click the number

Thank you Rellapse.

Going through that list it seems most of the RNF trolls actually voted for TMO. However it seems that TMO voted BDA and BDA voted TMO lol.

[Imslap]

Poll really should be "How many members of your guild look at RNF?"

[moklianne]

When I saw Lron's name in that list, I immediately thought "How can Lron use this poll as a launching pad for another thread"

[radditsu]

More duct tape than exploit

[Rellapse40]

Thank you Rellapse.


np now u cant hate me since i halped u

[Nirgon]

Just have a GM summon all the people crying about loot their crown of rile so they'll go away.

[Archalen]

Hey just because some of our officers are crybabies doesn't mean we all are. I was about t go unemployed and was in the mood to sit around with my FTE macro when all these server rule changes were made... Uh I mean I was ready to rock cocks with the biggest baddest motherfukers Norrath has ever seen.

[Imslap]

Hey just because some of our officers are crybabies doesn't mean we all are. I was about t go unemployed and was in the mood to sit around with my FTE macro when all these server rule changes were made... Uh I mean I was ready to rock cocks with the biggest baddest motherfukers Norrath has ever seen.

Dargons be spawnin on Saturday. Can haz job and lewts

[Hitpoint]

New rule. If your not Class C Shut your dirty rambling cock holster about what needs to happen with Class C. You faggots dont even know how to play by the rules in Class R and you want changes in Class C?

Yes

[Tiggles]

Dargons be spawnin on Saturday. Can haz job and lewts

Chic FIl-A is open Saturday, he'll be at work.

[Imslap]

Chic FIl-A is open Saturday, he'll be at work.

But not Sunday! God's work

[Lazie]

Of course, when BDA is 40% of the active server population they can swing a lot of votes.

BDA and IB etc. I mean that is a lot of people that hates TMO.

[Ravager]

Just have a GM summon all the people crying about loot their crown of rile so they'll go away.

Who's crying about loot?

[Rellapse40]

lets go 100

[Rellapse40]

bump

[Rellapse40]

almost to 100