Really Getsome and IB ?

[ClownGuild]

So a "raiding" guild saw an FTE message go off at Faydedar. They knew the FTE wasn't on someone in their guild. They waited until the FTE was pulled to Ogre isle and then engaged and killed another persons (Key word here) FTE without asking that person for permission to do so (This is called Kill stealing). Then instead of allowing the person with FTE to loot the corpse he had FTE on they looted the Faydedar corpse (Ninja Looting) and logged out.

Knowing he and his guild blatantly broke server raid rules Getsome immediately comes to the forums to play politics in the raid discussion section. His defense... Play dumb and act like it's ok to kill another persons FTE and loot the mob just because a person doesn't have a guild tag. Here is a hint Getsome. FTE is the golden rule on this server. Has been for a longgg time. Playing dumb is not going to get you out of this. The last guild to KS ate a 2 week suspension (Ninja looting the corpse aside). Anything less than that for the actions of IB today should make all guilds angry.

[SamwiseRed]

why would your puller not be tagged? you guys some kind of morans?

[quido]

What's the difference? If it's not your engage, don't engage it. Pretty easy.

[Daldolma]

this is a clown thread bro

[indiscriminate_hater]

Bold move making that new forum account

[Argh]

Pretty cut and dry to not engage mob you don't have FTE on. Even if the puller was not guilded at all that dragon belongs to him until either everyone on aggro list wipes, or he drags it to ogre isle and has no raid force and stalls on an engage.

But really, why would a puller you use consistently not be tagged?

[BlkCamel]

Pretty cut and dry to not engage mob you don't have FTE on. Even if the puller was not guilded at all that dragon belongs to him until either everyone on aggro list wipes, or he drags it to ogre isle and has no raid force and stalls on an engage.

But really, why would a puller you use consistently not be tagged?

He did wipe.

[Argh]

He did wipe.

He died. If it wiped, there would have been a new FTE message.

[BlkCamel]

He died. If it wiped, there would have been a new FTE message.

I'm just a passer-by so I will concede, but I thought from the raid forum post they said Golden died and that he lost his engage.

[Lazie]

I'm just a passer-by so I will concede, but I thought from the raid forum post they said Golden died and that he lost his engage.

Nope. The Raid Forum also has all the raid rules posted and clarifications so people do not get confused. There is never an excuse for what happened at Fay. Allow me to post a couple.

"Q: What classifies a mob as "Engaged"?
A: A mob is classified as engaged as long as it has aggro on at least one player. Once a mob has lost aggro on all players on it's hate list, it will begin to path back towards it's last location prior to being engaged. The mob is considered 'un-engaged' while it is pathing back. For the purposes of this document, a target has "reset" when it is pathing back to it's spawn point after it's hate list has been cleared.

The intentional manipulation of the FD mechanic to engage/disengage a raid target multiple times will be viewed as raid disruption."

As you can see a mob is only unengaged off the initial FTE once every player on it's hate list is off it. It must be starting to path back to it's point of engagement and it's hate list must be clear. Cut and Dry. This is why secondary aggro and having 2 pullers is important. This is why guilds use 2 people to engage the mobs. To ensure the pull makes it to the raid if one of them dies. One last one to cover directly what rules they broke on this engage.

"Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: "Raid disruption" and "raid interference" are broad terms that cover a long list of things (near simultaneous FTE, training, kill-stealing, etc). In situations where raid interference has taken place, guilds must make all attempts to work this issue out between their respective leaders/officers."

No actions were taken by IB to clarify the situation and work it out even though they had 5 to 6 minutes to do so during the pull. They never contacted the person with FTE on Faydedar to ask if they could kill it. They instead spent that time deciding to KS the FTE and contacting Taken about splitting the loot on it. This is pretty cut and dry I think even when the GMs take a look at it.

I mean it is pretty obvious they knew what guild the guy was affiliated with that had FTE. They didn't contact TMO officers or the guy they contacted Taken about loot distribution on Fay.

[Detoxx]

Golden was tagged by a TMO member, so when he died, it actually officially became a TMO fte, pretty simple mechanics.

[Mezzmur]

If it's not your guild's FTE, you let the mob reset so a fresh FTE message is provided.

I don't know how it's hard to understand.

I guess this is RnF...

[jaybone]

Fucking IB. We were really looking to secure our 131st kill of this dragon but faggot IB.

[Mezzmur]

Fucking IB. We were really looking to secure our 131st kill of this dragon but faggot IB.

... found 72 item(s) :(

Sea Dragon Meat.

[Youlath]

you guys should just play red

[Bazia]

Arguing about a 1-groupable mob that drops shit loot 3 years after it's release.

Blue stale as an open bag of doritos

[Sirken]

He died. If it wiped, there would have been a new FTE message.
give this man his gold star^


if you do not have FTE, you do not kill the mob. you wait for the mob to reset.
end of discussion.

[ClownGuild]

Now Getsome is Blatantly Lying to a GM in the raid discussion thread. Which I highlight below.

"Why would a class C guild be using an unguilded character to fte raid mobs? TMO never announced in ooc that Golden duct tape was an unguilded toon affliated with their guild til after fay was dead."

[Sat May 24 23:36:44 2014] Beemss says out of character, 'why are you guys engaging our fte ?'

At least one player at this raid then confirmed they knew it was TMO's pull via what they said in response.

[Sat May 24 23:37:00 2014] Gnomeland says out of character, 'you had an unguilded player tag it'

So what we have is one person asking why they engaged TMO FTE which they got the response above. They clearly knew which guild the FTE went to. Care to continue playing Dumb IB and Taken ?

[Swish]

WHO CARES blue server w rotation

amirite Sirk?

:D

[getsome]

Oh shit, you must be new @ RNF. You got me. Glad he squeezed that OOC comment in 9 seconds before it died.

[Sun May 25 00:28:29 2014] Golden is not in a guild.'

[Sun May 25 00:36:49 2014] Beemss says out of character, 'why are you guys engaging our fte ?'

[Sun May 25 00:36:58 2014] Faydedar has been slain by Nukehard!

Gnomeland is not in IB.

If you are going to come at me in RNF bring your A game. Cause you do not cut it.

http://i.imgur.com/djaFBiq.jpg

[ClownGuild]

Oh shit, you must be new @ RNF. You got me. Glad he squeezed that OOC comment in 9 seconds before it died.

[Sun May 25 00:28:29 2014] Golden is not in a guild.'

[Sun May 25 00:36:49 2014] Beemss says out of character, 'why are you guys engaging our fte ?'

[Sun May 25 00:36:58 2014] Faydedar has been slain by Nukehard!

Gnomeland is not in IB.

If you are going to come at me in RNF bring your A game. Cause you do not cut it.

http://i.imgur.com/djaFBiq.jpg


So you confirmed what I posted thanks. It was your responsibility to ask the person with FTE and didn't. When the guild with FTE asked you what you were doing you ignored them and continued killing the mob. After it was confirmed to you that it was TMO FTE you had your guild loot the corpse and camp out/port out. IF this is your A game this will not go well for you.

[Youlath]

actually golden is my alt

got prof otherwise?

[Socratic]

Another win for IB. KS and loot a raid mob? Get a "if this happens again" warning.

Grats IB.

[getsome]

[Sun May 25 00:36:58 2014] Faydedar has been slain by Nukehard!

Nukehard is not in IB.

[Godefroi]

If you want to give me the 20K IB owes me from lockets recharge, my mule is at T1 Getsome.

thanks!

[ClownGuild]

Here is a gem from a Taken Officer in the raid forums.

"The puller then was guild tagged mid-pull, died, and there's no way to know who might have gotten FTE after in such a situation."

But...But Getsome..I thought the FTE'er died in a few seconds and it wasn't clear what guild he represented ? Yet the Taken officer knew and saw him with his Guild Tag. FTE never reset and you guys engaged. Oh what tangled webs we weave poor guy.

[Skywarp]

Next time, Getsome, TMO will ask you if they can take a shit and wipe. You may not know the brand of toilet paper, but you will know they own the roll.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

ClownGuild sounds an awful lot like a Corova name :P Also, hi stealin. This is a good thread.

[Tasslehofp99]

Here is a gem from a Taken Officer in the raid forums.

"The puller then was guild tagged mid-pull, died, and there's no way to know who might have gotten FTE after in such a situation."


lol

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Sirken deleting his own RNF posts. Abuse of moderator privilege! Conduct unbecoming of an officer!

RNF is where we come to make poor decisions and say things we can't take back. You're killing the spirit here :P

[Thulack]

Now Getsome is Blatantly Lying to a GM in the raid discussion thread. Which I highlight below.

"Why would a class C guild be using an unguilded character to fte raid mobs? TMO never announced in ooc that Golden duct tape was an unguilded toon affliated with their guild til after fay was dead."

[Sat May 24 23:36:44 2014] Beemss says out of character, 'why are you guys engaging our fte ?'

At least one player at this raid then confirmed they knew it was TMO's pull via what they said in response.

[Sat May 24 23:37:00 2014] Gnomeland says out of character, 'you had an unguilded player tag it'

So what we have is one person asking why they engaged TMO FTE which they got the response above. They clearly knew which guild the FTE went to. Care to continue playing Dumb IB and Taken ?

We as Taken finally knew Golden was a TMO member when he got the tag after getting FTE and pulling Fay. We were asking in guild who Golden was because he magically showed up a few mins before Fay popped. So no Taken as a guild had no idea who Golden was(they thought it was me at first cause i have a toon named Gold).Gnomeland said that after we saw him tagged TMO and in another zone.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

We as Taken finally knew Golden was a TMO member when he got the tag after getting FTE and pulling Fay. We were asking in guild who Golden was because he magically showed up a few mins before Fay popped. So no Taken as a guild had no idea who Golden was(they thought it was me at first cause i have a toon named Gold).Gnomeland said that after we saw him tagged TMO and in another zone.

All sorts of irrelevant. If he's not with a guild, he'll either be a) kiting or b) die without assistance. Let the mob reset and FTE for the message--like every fucking mob in the game since the shout was introduced. If PD was pulled by an unguilded toon and we took it in front of IB, tell me there wouldn't be a post / suspension within the day.

[Socratic]

You could have just sent him a tell and asked him at any point, but ya know, that's just a little too high brow of a solution for this crowd.

Pretending you're clueless about who has FTE, staying silent for 5+ minutes while Faydedar waddled his little ass to ogre island, jumping it, looting, then throwing up your hands in confusion definitely was the way to go here.

Hell. Sirken seems to have bought it. Just don't let it happen again (wink*) and you're all good. Sorry that for a while each of you thought Golden was somehow magically part of your raid making Fay fair game. I'll be sure to let you know I'm not a part of your raid whenever I happen to FTE. Wouldn't want any confusion. Because ya know... just because you aren't sure he's part of your raid... doesn't mean he isn't... so that's a green light to KS and loot.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-SiIc5tAxqVA/UOTBGEYRm7I/AAAAAAAAAFw/AmvH-5Iavgk/s320/thumbs_up_bciy.jpg

[Thulack]

All sorts of irrelevant. If he's not with a guild, he'll either be a) kiting or b) die without assistance. Let the mob reset and FTE for the message--like every fucking mob in the game since the shout was introduced. If PD was pulled by an unguilded toon and we took it in front of IB, tell me there wouldn't be a post / suspension within the day.

all sorts of irrelervant....Tag your fucking toons.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

all sorts of irrelervant....Tag your fucking toons.

You going to tell me you thought golden was part of ib or taken? Just magical savior bringing you mobs?

[Socratic]

Someone should have sent Svenn to the Getsome school of acting stupid. He could have avoided his multiple-month suspension, been warned not to do it again, and sent on his merry way.

But I guess one guy doing something stupid on his own is way worse than an entire guild breaking the rules.

[Sirken]

Sirken deleting his own RNF posts. Abuse of moderator privilege! Conduct unbecoming of an officer!

RNF is where we come to make poor decisions and say things we can't take back. You're killing the spirit here :P

Sirken doesnt delete RNF posts, because Sirken isnt ashamed of anything he says to the rnf nerds (u know who u are)

nice try pal

[SamwiseRed]

Hmm if you dont need a guild tag to get FTE does this mean there is a market for selling FTE?

[Fuddwin]

We as Taken finally knew Golden was a TMO member when he got the tag after getting FTE and pulling Fay. We were asking in guild who Golden was because he magically showed up a few mins before Fay popped. So no Taken as a guild had no idea who Golden was(they thought it was me at first cause i have a toon named Gold).Gnomeland said that after we saw him tagged TMO and in another zone.

Why didn't anyone ask Golden what guild he was with?

[Sirken]

Hmm if you dont need a guild tag to get FTE does this mean there is a market for selling FTE?

already been done. zeelot use to pay guildless players 50k if they could get the fte that got the mob for his guild.

[SamwiseRed]

already been done. zeelot use to pay guildless players 50k if they could get the fte that got the mob for his guild.

nice that actually sounds like a cool profession and possibly profitable. pras sandbox

[SamwiseRed]

if i ran a guild on blue the app process would consist of getting FTE. only then would you be tagged :D

[Funkutron5000]

Why didn't anyone ask Golden what guild he was with?

Plausible deniability. If you don't ask, you "don't know."

[Mezzmur]

Plausible deniability. If you don't ask, you "don't know."

It's funny, I've probably been asked this a dozen times by Taken & IB members in the past. I've had conversations on Golden with Eratani and Theya while doing SEV FTE because Golden lives for Sev/Fay FTE. I have logs from 2 months ago asking if anyone will come to EJ/TD to guild tag me, and the second an officer was in zone I got a guild tag.

In fact, I was <TMO> tagged 4 minutes before IB Engaged.

[Sat May 24 22:26:59 2014] Your target is immune to changes in its run speed.
[Sat May 24 22:26:59 2014] Faydedar engages Golden!
...
[Sat May 24 22:31:35 2014] You told lookin, 'Officer?'
[Sat May 24 22:31:44 2014] Lookin is an officer of The Mystical Order.
[Sat May 24 22:31:50 2014] You told lookin, 'Inivte *Flippie)'
...
[Sat May 24 22:33:00 2014] You have joined The Mystical Order.
[Sat May 24 22:33:00 2014] You are now a regular member of the guild.

When you only log on a toon for FTE it's a pain in the ass to sync up with an officer, shit happens. Nobody abused the rules and there weren't too many on the spawn. I came to rep someone 10 minutes before Fay spawned.

Additionally, last week, during the repops, another unguilded TMO got FTE because that's the toon they used. It's great how big this has become.

[Rellapse40]

blue sounds fucking awful jesus holy fucking christ

[Freakish]

We as Taken finally knew Golden was a TMO member when he got the tag after getting FTE and pulling Fay. We were asking in guild who Golden was because he magically showed up a few mins before Fay popped. So no Taken as a guild had no idea who Golden was(they thought it was me at first cause i have a toon named Gold).Gnomeland said that after we saw him tagged TMO and in another zone.

Golden is a bard bound at firepots. This is highly unlikely.

[Hitpoint]

Additionally, last week, during the repops, another unguilded TMO got FTE because that's the toon they used. It's great how big this has become.

For the repop I pulled fay on Dyes. Level 32 unguilded or maybe FE tagged ranger I don't even know. Come at me rnf.

[Hitpoint]

It's actually fucking hard to get guild invites in TD. I have two chars that I use for Fay there, and neither are tagged tmo right now. Officer alts that they bring to fay aren't always tagged as officers.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Sirken doesnt delete RNF posts, because Sirken isnt ashamed of anything he says to the rnf nerds (u know who u are)

nice try pal

But I seent it! But...maybe I'm losing it. Too immersed.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

already been done. zeelot use to pay guildless players 50k if they could get the fte that got the mob for his guild.

But the real question is, under current raid rules, how does that work exactly? Is it still possible?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Lucky i'm not a GM you'd be suspended or banned for scripting being a scumbag and ignoring the intention behind the PnP.

2 months ago by your own admission you had your lack of guild tag resolved only to de-tag to cause future confusion and only re-tagging after you get FTE to try and induce chaos.

scripting? are we just making up words now? He posted logs <_<

[Portsche]

It's actually fucking hard to get guild invites in TD. I have two chars that I use for Fay there, and neither are tagged tmo right now. Officer alts that they bring to fay aren't always tagged as officers.

[Sat May 24 22:31:44 2014] Lookin is an officer of The Mystical Order.
[Sat May 24 22:31:50 2014] You told lookin, 'Inivte *Flippie)'
...
[Sat May 24 22:33:00 2014] You have joined The Mystical Order.
[Sat May 24 22:33:00 2014] You are now a regular member of the guild.

One down, 2+ to go. Start Lookin for me in TD.

[Socratic]

But the real question is, under current raid rules, how does that work exactly? Is it still possible?

It seems obvious to me that anyone you paid to FTE for you would eat one of your 2 allowed FTE slots, and any extra people at the spawn would result in some sort of raid suspension for trying to get around the rules.

Unless of course you are IB. Then they would just tell you not to do it again.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It seems obvious to me that anyone you paid to FTE for you would eat one of your 2 allowed FTE slots, and any extra people at the spawn would result in some sort of raid suspension for trying to get around the rules.

Unless of course you are IB. Then they would just tell you not to do it again.

That's what I thought as well. The first part--they count as one of your FTE'rs and would be ineligible to transfer fte. But from a purely theoretical perspective, if tmo were to split into two guilds but raid together, would we be allowed 4 fte'rs? Does this then prevent guilds from assisting on each other's targets? I remember when fe / ib were a thing we were also restricted to 2 fte'rs, which would then only make sense that you would be unable to even assist other guilds as they make their attempt.

[SamwiseRed]

That's what I thought as well. The first part--they count as one of your FTE'rs and would be ineligible to transfer fte. But from a purely theoretical perspective, if tmo were to split into two guilds but raid together, would we be allowed 4 fte'rs? Does this then prevent guilds from assisting on each other's targets? I remember when fe / ib were a thing we were also restricted to 2 fte'rs, which would then only make sense that you would be unable to even assist other guilds as they make their attempt.

blue needs jesus

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Raid discussion thread on fay locked. Ended on this note:

as i told Hokushin, if they have more than two reps, let us know and i'll smash their face. but they were following the rules, so you guys had absolutely zero right to just skip over the rules simply because you couldnt figure out what was happening.

everyone read this carefully, EVEN IF Golden was a legit unguilded scrub, if he has FTE, thats his dragon. and EVEN THEN you are not allowed to KS the mob.


there is no universe that exists where u can paint a picture of what happened at Fay and walk away being right. you guys are 110% in the wrong.
__________________

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[Ambrotos]

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

And what does precedent say about disregarding FTE (post yellow text), killing the mob, looting the mob, and then attempting to argue such an obvious error to the GMs?

[Mezzmur]

And what does precedent say about disregarding FTE (post yellow text), killing the mob, looting the mob, and then attempting to argue such an obvious error to the GMs?

IMHO, All the loot belongs to me and me alone. Fuck TMO.

[MaksimMazor]

I like the "110%" part

[Ambrotos]

And what does precedent say about disregarding FTE (post yellow text), killing the mob, looting the mob, and then attempting to argue such an obvious error to the GMs?

The way Sirken ran it last I checked (2 months ago), was that guild gives up the loot to the other guild and misses out on the next encounter they had gamed. AKA No fay for them next time it comes up. No idea how he is doing it now with FFA/different classes killing. I'm guessing if it was FFA, no chance on the next one. Right now your guess is as good as mine now.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The way Sirken ran it last I checked (2 months ago), was that guild gives up the loot to the other guild and misses out on the next encounter they had gamed. AKA No fay for them next time it comes up. No idea how he is doing it now with FFA/different classes killing. I'm guessing if it was FFA, no chance on the next one. Right now your guess is as good as mine now.

Yeah that happened on xygoz / nexona. Which makes sense--both of those were errors on the part of having too many in place, not even attempting for FTE. I think Nexona might've actually been something to do with training or disruption, but I don't think it was overly malicious. Unfortunately this also means that if you can get away with cheating at least twice for every time you get caught, it's worthwhile to continue to do so.

[ssfarmer]

I just love how IB continually lies ...... when i was tracking with Lillyana when FE and IB were still allied i was trying to figure out who dumper was and she gave me a list of his characters...... and she included golden in that list ..... it was the only way i knew who golden was ......


This is in response to her posting this is raid discussion and it being closed before i could reply to it :

"How are we supposed to be able to see how many players a guild has at a spawn point or locally for FTE when they are being allowed to use untagged chars that no-one has seen before to pull with? If Golden has indeed FTE'd before as has been suggested I have never once seen him doing that and on asking around nor have others.

I believe allowing guilds to use untagged chars in this manner leaves the situation open to abuse, something I thought the new raid rules were trying to prevent. "

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I think they should be tagged, too. GMs please allow us to tag characters from anywhere in the world. Obliged -- Heallun.

[Freakish]

What did we get off Fay? IB looted the corpse and none of us know.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

What did we get off Fay? IB looted the corpse and none of us know.

http://kansasstatecars.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fer.jpg

[SamwiseRed]

fte sounds pretty gay, on blue should be a dps race or enable guildwar

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Thanks for your input as always, Red 99. We'll take it into careful consideration.

[SamwiseRed]

dps race is classic.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

dps race is classic.

Far less GM intervention in general is classic, but that's not what we have, so we abide. It's better this way tbh.

[Jarnauga]

Can we adress the elephant in the room ? flippie is obviously using an autofire program and has been for months.

[SamwiseRed]

Well duh

[ClownGuild]

Can we adress the elephant in the room ? Hokushin is obviously using an autofire program and has been for months.


Fixed that for ya.

[Rellapse40]

anon account are 4 srs pussies

[HeallunRumblebelly]

anon account are 4 srs pussies

Have to agree again.

[Detoxx]

Fte is hard to figure out for the simpletons, I'm not surprised at all.

[Rellapse40]

"I'm the motherfuckin fuckin one who calls the shots."

lol no

[Emsee]

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

Unless you are IB, then you are allowed to game it with a warning amirite?

[Hitpoint]

And lastly, requiring people to tag pullers is ridiculous and only carebears would cry about such a thing. People should just be banned if they can't figure out how FTE rules work.

Pretty much. Guilds have been pulling and FTEing on unguilded chars for as long as I've been raiding. IB's done it, FE did it, and TMO will do it. Hell, I just did it last week and nobody complained. The only reason this is an issue at all is because IB was looking for a way to weasel a fay kill even though they missed FTE. And Taken sided with them because they missed Fay also, and have no idea how raiding works.

[Hitpoint]

By the way. IB had an unguilded mag FTE spamming at this same Faydedar for the first 8 or so hours of his window. We knew who he was with, and I fucking promise we never would have KS'd their pull, petitioned, or even said anything about it. My Fay FTEer is still untagged in TD. And if it's not convenient for an officer to tag him before fay is in window again, I'll fucking FTE spam there just the same. Because there's no reason not to.

[Ambrotos]

Unless you are IB, then you are allowed to game it with a warning amirite?

The one time IB/FE did it while I was still on staff during the FTE messages, I wanted to suspend them for a week with FTE on gore and Sloan going full retard. The biggest issue is that the staff doesn't want to punish 30+ people because only 3 or so are calling the shots and making bad decisions. Yet they keep doing them year after year. Sometimes people just need to man up and look at their leadership making bad calls and getting the Guild raid suspended. If it was on live, guilds would get disbanded and officers/leader banned. That's why the bullshit like on here for the past 4 years wasn't how it was on live. There were real consequences for actions.

I just don't see how people can keep doing the same stuff over and over and just get a slap. Rogean tried to set an example out of BDA when they decided to hang out killing jugs/reets in Trak window. As far as I've read nothing has happened since and the slaps( deal with it between guilds etc etc) keep coming to all the other guilds. The rules are clear to the point and if you violate them after such a major overhaul any guild breaking those rules should get a 2 week vacation.

The players should be the first step to fix any issue. If the players don't, then the staff needs to send a clear message that everyone who is a participant will be punished. Don't want to be punished, make a new guild or force the morons out of the one you are in.

I mean at this stage telling people who have been farming this shit for the past 3 years they have to give up the 3 pally books, rbb, and some lvl 60 spells off fay a real detrimental? Oh shit, people will have to make passive aggressive " We killed fay" posts on their guild jerk-off (recruitment) thread.

[Rellapse40]

holy cow tldr

[Ambrotos]

You're my boy Relapse. Was harder to ban you than Harrison.

[Fountree]

I mean at this stage telling people who have been farming this shit for the past 3 years they have to give up the 3 pally books, rbb, and some lvl 60 spells off fay a real detrimental? Oh shit, people will have to make passive aggressive " We killed fay" posts on their guild jerk-off (recruitment) thread.

Dont underestimate how much these crap raid loots matter to TMO. Theyd shank you for a larrikans mask and kick their own family to the curb for a pod of seawater MQ. This is serious business to these new guys.

[Fountree]

The fuck you talking about, you raged more than anyone over the smallest of incidents lol.

True, when it mattered. Its been 3 years lol

[Rellapse40]

You're my boy Relapse. Was harder to ban you than Harrison.

wonder which gm has banned me the most

[Fountree]

How was I supposed to know this server was gonna be years and years between expansions? Competition doesnt really matter on a timeline and server this unclassic. Shits laughable at this point , velious will be out forever everyone will be able to get phat lewts

[Fountree]

haha yea gonna b great

[Bazia]

Arguing about Faydedar Sea Meat 3 years into Kunark, but Red players are the retarded ones.

[Detoxx]

Red has no drama cause it has no players

[Bazia]

5 threads about Sea Dragon Meat

lol

[Fountree]

5 threads about Sea Dragon Meat

lol

If someone doesn't sell me Sea Dragon meat in the next hour Im gonna lose my shit man

[kotton05]

What's the difference? If it's not your engage, don't engage it. Pretty easy.

^this

fucking a, you dorks don't understand FTE yet? my god there is even shouts now and rules about how many can be on spawn... doesn't matter if tagged or not tagged. respect the shout or get a week pass to chardok aoe and fungi king.

[Savok]

If I'm camping a FFA spawn and some no name is camping it too he/she better give up the goods when asked which guild he is camping it for. I'm counting those tracking numbers by guild.

[ClownGuild]

If I'm camping a FFA spawn and some no name is camping it too he/she better give up the goods when asked which guild he is camping it for. I'm counting those tracking numbers by guild.

Next time you see Gnarls at Faydedar ask what guild he is affiliated with please. Wouldn't want IB to be hypocrites or anything. Considering that unguilded mage tracked it for them during it's window this round. =)

[bktroost]

It's always been clear that FTE message is king. There has been no question about it. So many rulings before the formal raid rules were put out about it should have made it clear. Pretending otherwise is trying to game the system.

Here's my question Ambro, according to Sirken, wouldn't an unguilded FTE tagger mean that no guild can engage the mob until it resets? If a player is unguilded then no guild has the right to that player's FTE other than that player. This is according to what Sirken said... so neither TMO, nor IB/Taken could have attempted Fay on that pull since Golden won it.

If we say "oh we all know Golden is really TMO" how does that consistently hold water on a Sev FFA when all 9 or so raiding guilds have an unguilded player there. How can we possibly keep everyone straight? You might say "Well you know who YOU have there." But Class R is encouraging one another to form alliances now and as trackers rotate and unguilded taggers from allied guilds go in and out it is going to be impossible to manage.

[Hitpoint]

Here's my question Ambro, according to Sirken, wouldn't an unguilded FTE tagger mean that no guild can engage the mob until it resets? If a player is unguilded then no guild has the right to that player's FTE other than that player. This is according to what Sirken said... so neither TMO, nor IB/Taken could have attempted Fay on that pull since Golden won it.

If we say "oh we all know Golden is really TMO" how does that consistently hold water on a Sev FFA when all 9 or so raiding guilds have an unguilded player there. How can we possibly keep everyone straight? You might say "Well you know who YOU have there." But Class R is encouraging one another to form alliances now and as trackers rotate and unguilded taggers from allied guilds go in and out it is going to be impossible to manage.

It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.

[Erati]

It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.

sucks raid mobs can be claimed by singular entities who have no raid force in zone ( not talking about Golden/Fay)... doesnt really feel right/classic at all

but i guess not much else you can do with there being so many varieties of raid disputes possible, have to just look at the FTE message above all else.

[Ambrotos]

Is it shady and stupid to have untagged people who are pullers for your guild? Sure. But it's no different as if it was 2 guilds co-raiding. If someone from GimpPatrol is teamed up with Iloveass and their puller dies, but Iloveass members are still on the list it's theirs.

Who is to say one day a collection of 30 people untagged decide to go for a target. Just because they aren't under the same guild tag doesn't devalue their puller and agro from other members of the raid while a guild is there also.

If you have questions about untagged people write down the names, and report them to the Sr Guide to try and figure out who they belong to. Just like when people are really camped out at mobs, but no one can ever get a name. Yet people are up in arms saying people are doing it. Have fraps running and hit that key to record or get their name from a screenshot and have them look it up. We can see where people are logged out, just cant see where they log in at.

[Rellapse40]

iluvass

are u gay bro?

[Cecily]

sucks raid mobs can be claimed by singular entities who have no raid force in zone ( not talking about Golden/Fay)... doesnt really feel right/classic at all

but i guess not much else you can do with there being so many varieties of raid disputes possible, have to just look at the FTE message above all else.

It's possible. Just no one has been ballsy enough to do it and pull it off. That would depend on a raid force making an idiotic call to kill a mob that they knew they didn't have FTE on. Which would never happen with FTE shouts.

[Portsche]

iluvass

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133138

[Clark]

What's the difference? If it's not your engage, don't engage it. Pretty easy.

[Sckrilla]

Pretty cut and dry to not engage mob you don't have FTE on.

[kotton05]

IB sounds BH

[radditsu]

Put in raid window. Make engaged have to be in the raid.

Win.

[Mezzmur]

<3 this Gem:
Sirken is 100% right, and this is something we've been preaching for months now. "He didn't have a guild tag, it must have been ours after he died!" is horrible rule lawyering at best or a blatant disregard for the rules at worst.

Get some lied as well. I got a guild tag as soon as an officer was in zone 4 full minutes before IB engaged and they had an unguided Mage FTEing for them for several hours that same day.

Quality stuff.

[Sirken]

Here's my question Ambro, according to Sirken, wouldn't an unguilded FTE tagger mean that no guild can engage the mob until it resets? If a player is unguilded then no guild has the right to that player's FTE other than that player. This is according to what Sirken said... so neither TMO, nor IB/Taken could have attempted Fay on that pull since Golden won it.
If we say "oh we all know Golden is really TMO" how does that consistently hold water on a Sev FFA when all 9 or so raiding guilds have an unguilded player there. How can we possibly keep everyone straight? You might say "Well you know who YOU have there." But Class R is encouraging one another to form alliances now and as trackers rotate and unguilded taggers from allied guilds go in and out it is going to be impossible to manage.
Hitpoint answers your question perfectly here,
It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.



sucks raid mobs can be claimed by singular entities who have no raid force in zone ( not talking about Golden/Fay)... doesnt really feel right/classic at all. but i guess not much else you can do with there being so many varieties of raid disputes possible, have to just look at the FTE message above all else.
this is the way things have been since FTE messages went in and FTE was king. none of this is new. and a lot of this is the reason i shit so hard on the class r guilds when the raid changes were happening, because if they made literally any effort, they could get mobs, by snagging fte and letting u all kill the mob for them. if you dont have FTE, its not your mob, period.

[JayN]

Hitpoint answers your question perfectly here,





this is the way things have been since FTE messages went in and FTE was king. none of this is new. and a lot of this is the reason i shit so hard on the class r guilds when the raid changes were happening, because if they made literally any effort, they could get mobs, by snagging fte and letting u all kill the mob for them. if you dont have FTE, its not your mob, period.

so does this mean raid ban for offending Ks'ers or just they get to skate on by doing it over and over again?

[Daldaen]

Loraen doing big things with HS/King plat (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1468324#post1468324)

[Tasslehofp99]

so does this mean raid ban for offending Ks'ers or just they get to skate on by doing it over and over again?

word, i'm pretty sure precedence has already been set on this back when FE killed a gorenaire that TMO had FTE on too.

[Swish]

Getsome confirmed scumbag.

Gets his cleric epic, then tries to "pull the ladder up" and get Ragefire moved to a far longer respawn.

Didn't read pg 2-12 :p

[Iandyan]

Getsome confirmed scumbag.

Gets his cleric epic, then tries to "pull the ladder up" and get Ragefire moved to a far longer respawn.

Didn't read pg 2-12 :p

TLDR version: It's "that time of the month" on Blue and everyone is on the same cycle.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150330&highlight=plug

[Fael]

Earlier this week, IB pulled Phara Dar, lost FTE at the damn zoneline via charm, she shouted her FTE message at several different players until it ended up as TMO fte, and IB was forced to back down. This happened in a matter of seconds. They followed the yellow text and respected it. I

What amazes me is that they--and taken too--had over 5 minutes to make the correct decision--a decision they have proven they can make in a split second. Instead, as it turns out, 5 minutes is the perfect amount of time needed for two p99 guilds to collaborate and drum up a misguided justification for doing what they knew was wrong, without broadcasting their intent before hand, and under the most illogical of pretexts.

That IB had an unguilded mage with pet up on the Fay spawn point for hours before hand, shows how little respect they have for our gm's ability to wade through the BS. Its pretty insulting I would imagine.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Earlier this week, IB pulled Phara Dar, lost FTE at the damn zoneline via charm, she shouted her FTE message at several different players until it ended up as TMO fte, and IB was forced to back down. This happened in a matter of seconds. They followed the yellow text and respected it. I

What amazes me is that they--and taken too--had over 5 minutes to make the correct decision--a decision they have proven they can make in a split second. Instead, as it turns out, 5 minutes is the perfect amount of time needed for two p99 guilds to collaborate and drum up a misguided justification for doing what they knew was wrong, without broadcasting their intent before hand, and under the most illogical of pretexts.

That IB had an unguilded mage with pet up on the Fay spawn point for hours before hand, shows how little respect they have for our gm's ability to wade through the BS. Its pretty insulting I would imagine.

That was a biblical fte. It went from their puller, to their cleric, to a sitting monk (kingore or lazie, can't remember) in like half a second. Monk feigned and their cleric got charmed. I won a yunnb's earring. 5 stars :p

[Hitpoint]

That was a biblical fte. It went from their puller, to their cleric, to a sitting monk (kingore or lazie, can't remember) in like half a second. Monk feigned and their cleric got charmed. I won a yunnb's earring. 5 stars :p

Their puller, to an IB cleric who just logged in and died, to Kloktor (tmo), to Kingore (tmo) where it stayed until the mob died.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Their puller, to an IB cleric who just logged in and died, to Kloktor (tmo), to Kingore (tmo) where it stayed until the mob died.

Yeah, lazie just told me. Did no one secondary their shaman at all? On PD?

[Hitpoint]

Yeah, lazie just told me. Did no one secondary their shaman at all? On PD?

I have no idea. I wasn't close enough to see what happened or get logs of anyone else being charmed/killed before FTE transferred.

[Detoxx]

Yeah, lazie just told me. Did no one secondary their shaman at all? On PD?

IB - #1 pulling crew

[Godefroi]

I exclusively check RnF to see what ever Swish's new gif is.

[Joyelle]

What amazes me is that they--and taken too--had over 5 minutes to make the correct decision--a decision they have proven they can make in a split second. Instead, as it turns out, 5 minutes is the perfect amount of time needed for two p99 guilds to collaborate and drum up a misguided justification for doing what they knew was wrong, without broadcasting their intent before hand, and under the most illogical of pretexts.


Hate to break it to you but Taken did not in any way engage that mob. Stop trying to drag Taken into this as though we "collaborated" with IB to take out your Fay. We stood back and watched IB kill it. Our only role in this is as witnesses who could corroborate through logs that the puller was not tagged one minute then tagged the next.

In my personal opinion, as long as it is proven that you guys didn't have more than 2 reps (guilded or unguilded) on the spawn at the time of FTE, it doesn't make a difference to me. It caused some confusion sure but we all learned from that experience and know what to do the next time something like this comes up.

[Cecily]

Hate to break it to you but Taken did not in any way engage that mob. Stop trying to drag Taken into this as though we "collaborated" with IB to take out your Fay. We stood back and watched IB kill it. Our only role in this is as witnesses who could corroborate through logs that the puller was not tagged one minute then tagged the next.

In my personal opinion, as long as it is proven that you guys didn't have more than 2 reps (guilded or unguilded) on the spawn at the time of FTE, it doesn't make a difference to me. It caused some confusion sure but we all learned from that experience and know what to do the next time something like this comes up.

Taken was also present. We submitted a petition and logs in support. We agree with the IB position that FTE by a non-tagged alt is BS. The puller then was guild tagged mid-pull, died, and there's no way to know who might have gotten FTE after in such a situation. We felt at the time that it was a "trap" intended to get others in trouble.

Taken agrees that TMO should be excluded from this loot. Taken and IB are in agreement as to what disposition of the loot should be. (currently the loot is in IB's hands but we will split when a transfer is available, as one of their groups got the exp and looted)

[Lazie]

That wraps up that argument.

[Joyelle]

Thanks for quoting that so I could read it again Cecily! Please show me where it says we helped them kill the mob. All that we did was provide additional logs.

P.S. I will say here that I personally disagree with the whole splitting the loot thing as I believe we should have stayed out of the whole thing, but that still does not change the fact that we only stood back and watched what happened.

[Mezzmur]

Thanks for quoting that so I could read it again Cecily! Please show me where it says we helped them kill the mob. All that we did was provide additional logs.

P.S. I will say here that I personally disagree with the whole splitting the loot thing as I believe we should have stayed out of the whole thing, but that still does not change the fact that we only stood back and watched what happened.

Joy for Taken Guild Leader 2014!

[Joyelle]

That wraps up that argument.

sorry you're not in a position to make that determination

[Fael]

So IB contacted you about splitting the loot after they killed it by themselves?

[Cecily]

Seems plausible.

[Detoxx]

Taken talking in circles here. Arent you guys supposed to just wait in line with your hands out? Why get involved with the big boy stuff?

[sanforce]

It means TMO would have killed it for Golden. Grats Golden on his loot, which he will promptly give to TMO since he's a member. Instead IB killed Goldens mob, and kept the loot for themselves. It still hasn't been returned.

So where is the loot right now?

It's clear that IB was in the wrong, where is their suspension?

Based off an original Taken post, they also claim partial responsibility and are currently awaiting half of the stolen loot, where is their suspension?

There must be some magical "get outta jail free" cards floating around P1999 right now.

[TMBLOW]

Taken talking in circles here. Arent you guys supposed to just wait in line with your hands out? Why get involved with the big boy stuff?

this statement is beyond laughable considering Detoxx is also an OFFICER in the Class R guild Asgard

So you have one hand open ready to accept vending machine loots from the Class R rotation and the other hand is giving Class R the finger....

hypocrite....

[HeallunRumblebelly]

this statement is beyond laughable considering Detoxx is also an OFFICER in the Class R guild Asgard

So you have one hand open ready to accept vending machine loots from the Class R rotation and the other hand is giving Class R the finger....

hypocrite....

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/2c/2c7ade10483a7b9c4ba4836b0748b5d29e25bb11fc5d1a62bd f90eea9a26eb0d.jpg

[Lazie]

sorry you're not in a position to make that determination

My logs say otherwise. Your guildmate yelling in OOC why the mob was being engaged when asked why IB was engaging Fay. He seemed to know why pretty quickly.

[Tiggles]

this statement is beyond laughable considering Detoxx is also an OFFICER in the Class R guild Asgard

So you have one hand open ready to accept vending machine loots from the Class R rotation and the other hand is giving Class R the finger....

hypocrite....

No need to post this anonymously a few of us have alts in asgard, We clear all raid content in class C on a Saturday why not get some more.

Funfact: Once we gear up asgard they are breaking the rotation and taking mobs as they choose.

[TMBLOW]

No need to post this anonymously a few of us have alts in asgard, We clear all raid content in class C on a Saturday why not get some more.

Funfact: Once we gear up asgard they are breaking the rotation and taking mobs as they choose.


just found it funny that Detoxx was being all high and mighty talking down to Class R guilds when he is an officer of one of them

tagged alts is one thing...leadership position is another

[Fountree]

this statement is beyond laughable considering Detoxx is also an OFFICER in the Class R guild Asgard

So you have one hand open ready to accept vending machine loots from the Class R rotation and the other hand is giving Class R the finger....

hypocrite....

ouch

[HeallunRumblebelly]

just found it funny that Detoxx was being all high and mighty talking down to Class R guilds when he is an officer of one of them

tagged alts is one thing...leadership position is another

If you've heard detoxx speak in vent, you'd know it'd be pretty fucking obvious who he is pretty fast. I don't think it's any secret.

[Detoxx]

If you think ive gotten one peice of loot from Asgard, youre retarded mr. Anon pussy. I raid with them and help them and ask for nothing, not that I owe any explanation to you.

[Tiggles]

just found it funny that Detoxx was being all high and mighty talking down to Class R guilds when he is an officer of one of them

tagged alts is one thing...leadership position is another

No when it comes to an insignificant casual guild an officer and a member really has no difference. I was the guildleader of <TinFoil Hats> is that hypocrisy?

Also, be a man post on your real account.

[Fountree]

Tiggs are you threatened at all by that quote in Detoxx's sig? It certainly scares me

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Tiggs are you threatened at all by that quote in Detoxx's sig? It certainly scares me

The grammar in it is appalling and it's patently false :P Still waiting for detoxx to call one of those shots.

[Detoxx]

I'm dying over here, the Tmo character they are referring to is detoxx.. If you really think detoxx is taking loots out of the mouths of asgardians then god bless you and keep the rnf flowing.

[Erati]

My logs say otherwise. Your guildmate yelling in OOC why the mob was being engaged when asked why IB was engaging Fay. He seemed to know why pretty quickly.

Well we had our pullers clear their aggro as soon as we did not see either one of them on the FTE message and we had our guild stand back and watch

everything that transpired happened after IB got the exp and looted then reached out to us to see what we thought of the situation as at the time they felt that mob was theirs

We knew it would come down to a GM decision, we had already petitioned/sent logs

The only thing that tied us to IB was that we both agreed that the untagged thing was 'sketchy' and we had no idea who Golden was ( sorry cant keep track of all the alts )

We accepted a piece of loot because we thought it was a 'nice gesture' however we quickly realized it turned into an entrapment.

No communication took place with IB before Fay spawned or during the engage/pull.

I am not sure what you are looking to prove here. It was in the wrong for us to accept anything from something that was KS'd but at the time it didnt fully feel like anyone had a good claim on the mob as there was so much gray area. The one thing we DID know is that it was not our mob and we did not engage it. Had the GM's ruled in IB's favor well Grats Taken on an item. Had the GM's ruled in TMO's favor well it wasnt our loot/kill in the first place no big deal.

That pretty much sums it up I believe, and I was there tracking for 9 hours so I had a good understanding on who was tracking for who. I left with 3 hours left and Golden apparently showed up the final 20 min or so when I was not there so I could not be of any assistance telling my guild who the fuck that was ( even tho Flippie mentioned earlier in this thread he had talked to me on Golden, but heh I talked to so many people every couple of min im logged on its really hard to keep up with all these names )

[Lazie]

Well we had our pullers clear their aggro as soon as we did not see either one of them on the FTE message and we had our guild stand back and watch

everything that transpired happened after IB got the exp and looted then reached out to us to see what we thought of the situation as at the time they felt that mob was theirs

We knew it would come down to a GM decision, we had already petitioned/sent logs

The only thing that tied us to IB was that we both agreed that the untagged thing was 'sketchy' and we had no idea who Golden was ( sorry cant keep track of all the alts )

We accepted a piece of loot because we thought it was a 'nice gesture' however we quickly realized it turned into an entrapment.

No communication took place with IB before Fay spawned or during the engage/pull.

I am not sure what you are looking to prove here. It was in the wrong for us to accept anything from something that was KS'd but at the time it didnt fully feel like anyone had a good claim on the mob as there was so much gray area. The one thing we DID know is that it was not our mob and we did not engage it. Had the GM's ruled in IB's favor well Grats Taken on an item. Had the GM's ruled in TMO's favor well it wasnt our loot/kill in the first place no big deal.

That pretty much sums it up I believe, and I was there tracking for 9 hours so I had a good understanding on who was tracking for who. I left with 3 hours left and Golden apparently showed up the final 20 min or so when I was not there so I could not be of any assistance telling my guild who the fuck that was ( even tho Flippie mentioned earlier in this thread he had talked to me on Golden, but heh I talked to so many people every couple of min im logged on its really hard to keep up with all these names )

What Grey area was there ? The FTE message removes all Grey area.

[Detoxx]

Its from The Sopranos, but I call more shots than that useless Druid that used to stand at vp ent, collect loot, bitch when we lost and put his hands out when we won, then sold an MQ entrusted to him, lied about it and finally wound up right where he belongs in Doljo.

WTS cancel magic potions cause that useless druid couldn't even handle dispelling people on a raid.

Fuckin scrub

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Detoxx has enough jew gold to buy Asgard like a sports team.

[Lazie]

Detoxx has enough jew gold to buy Asgard like a sports team.

Jew Plat.

[Detoxx]

This isnt wow heallun, no matter how much it feela like it now.

[Erati]

What Grey area was there ? The FTE message removes all Grey area.

the grey area that the person does not require a raid force or guild to have rights to the raid mob

its been settled now very clearly that a singular entity can claim a raid mob, but still its not like Taken did anything besides have a few conversations and accept a piece of loot 45 min after the kill.

there was no plotting. sorry we are not around for all the other FTE disputes or shady tactics that go on so some of this is common place for you guys, but at the time ( and it had been a long day ) it seemed both guilds were sort of in the wrong and was unclear which way the GMs would rule.

thats pretty much it. we arnt pressing this issue any further and have learned from it

but it was pretty clear we knew it wasnt our mob to touch, talking to the other guilds about it and providing logs did not seem to be that dastardly of a thing to do.

[Fountree]

Its from The Sopranos, but I call more shots than that useless Druid that used to stand at vp ent, collect loot, bitch when we lost and put his hands out when we won, then sold an MQ entrusted to him, lied about it and finally wound up right where he belongs in Doljo.

WTS cancel magic potions cause that useless druid couldn't even handle dispelling people on a raid.

Fuckin scrub

Damn you seem really mad today. I'm sorry I wasn't aware you pulled that many strings these days in the guild. TMO should reign you in though you're not doing them any favors with that hostility.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

This isnt wow heallun, no matter how much it feela like it now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold

also, for the modern reference:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jew%20gold

[HeallunRumblebelly]

the grey area that the person does not require a raid force or guild to have rights to the raid mob

its been settled now very clearly that a singular entity can claim a raid mob, but still its not like Taken did anything besides have a few conversations and accept a piece of loot 45 min after the kill.

there was no plotting. sorry we are not around for all the other FTE disputes or shady tactics that go on so some of this is common place for you guys, but at the time ( and it had been a long day ) it seemed both guilds were sort of in the wrong and was unclear which way the GMs would rule.

thats pretty much it. we arnt pressing this issue any further and have learned from it

but it was pretty clear we knew it wasnt our mob to touch, talking to the other guilds about it and providing logs did not seem to be that dastardly of a thing to do.


Again for posterity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kir7gyjsIoQ

[Corro]

this is the way things have been since FTE messages went in and FTE was king. none of this is new. and a lot of this is the reason i shit so hard on the class r guilds when the raid changes were happening, because if they made literally any effort, they could get mobs, by snagging fte and letting u all kill the mob for them. if you dont have FTE, its not your mob, period.

So if there is no FTE message and no damage has been done then the mobs are FFA? Like the whole wizard ordeal over on that Seafuries post?
I am just confused you are saying that the shout message gives you the rights to kite a dragon around for an hour or however long you want until cavalry arrives?

[Lazie]

But to answer your question. Your players in your guild knew why IB was engaging that mob. How did your officers not know if their was no communication beforehand ? Seems kinda odd that your indians knew and your chiefs didn't. You won't convince anyone of that either btw. Yes you made poor decisions in regards to the loot. Because you yourself say you knew enough to have your pullers clear their aggro. You knew there was no question about that mob at that point and saw loot and was like "Ok lets play politics with IB".

[Erati]

Again for posterity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kir7gyjsIoQ

pretty much, I already lol'd when you linked that earlier an you just got me again

haha

[HeallunRumblebelly]

pretty much, I already lol'd when you linked that earlier an you just got me again

haha

First time for me, think it was autotune before.

[sanforce]

So if there is no FTE message and no damage has been done then the mobs are FFA? Like the whole wizard ordeal over on that Seafuries post?
I am just confused you are saying that the shout message gives you the rights to kite a dragon around for an hour or however long you want until cavalry arrives?

No, kiting a mob to delay as you muster a raid force is against the rules. Fay engage entails tagging near the spawn point and running to ogre island. This takes ~5 minutes and is the accepted pull on this here server with these here rules. During that time you can gather you raid force and buff, but you cannot take Fay on some 20 minute TD adventure.

[Lazie]

So if there is no FTE message and no damage has been done then the mobs are FFA? Like the whole wizard ordeal over on that Seafuries post?
I am just confused you are saying that the shout message gives you the rights to kite a dragon around for an hour or however long you want until cavalry arrives?

Has a dragon been kited ? Has anyone said that was ok to do.. like anywhere ? Then why are you asking ? BTW there is always an FTE message if you do something to make a dragon chase you. If you need those questions answered then you really don't understand the raid pnp and rules.

[Fountree]

I think Detoxx is just happy all the useless people like Zeelot, DD, Loly, Eccezan, faz, olidaen, tortue, me, zilo, sworen, tegellan etc. are gone and out of the way so his elite crew can take over. And now its clear and easy for him to collect those PD items too.

(psst. there will be more soon)

[Corro]

Gotcha that makes sense, but is the same for other mobs like Sev? Meaning that 5 minute window that is ok for Fayd can fly for the other dragons?

[Detoxx]

Damn you seem really mad today. I'm sorry I wasn't aware you pulled that many strings these days in the guild. TMO should reign you in though you're not doing them any favors with that hostility.

I pull more strings than you ever did. You were useless, they knew it and had an easy time coming to the decision to remove you. They dont need to "reign me in" because I know and they know youre a non-factor now and always have been.

GL in Doljo bro.

[Corro]

Has a dragon been kited ?

5 mins of draggong fayd sounds like kiting to me..

[Erati]

But to answer your question. Your players in your guild knew why IB was engaging that mob. How did your officers not know if their was no communication beforehand ? Seems kinda odd that your indians knew and your chiefs didn't. You won't convince anyone of that either btw. Yes you made poor decisions in regards to the loot. Because you yourself say you knew enough to have your pullers clear their aggro. You knew there was no question about that mob at that point and saw loot and was like "Ok lets play politics with IB".

last response bc its obviously getting no where

All we knew in regards to Faydedar was that Taken did not win the mob period. We did not get the mob to shout one of our tracker's name, so its common sense to not kill that mob.

What we did not know was being handed a piece of loot that seemed to be 'unclaimed' as there were unresolved petitions from BOTH IB and TMO for who's mob that was would entrap us into some kind of convoluted 'joint' raid with IB that really did not exist.

We knew both parties petitioned, and we knew the GMs would sort it out. It felt harmless to provide them logs because to a point we did agree with them. It was shady and kind of BS what you guys did, but now that more information and DEV responses about the situation have come to light it makes for a much clearer precedent with how to move forward when situations like this arise.

I am sorry this rabbit hole does not go down very deep.

[Fountree]

I pull more strings than you ever did. You were useless, they knew it and had an easy time coming to the decision to remove you. They dont need to "reign me in" because I know and they know youre a non-factor now and always have been.

GL in Doljo bro.

Well obviously everyone is a non-factor. A warrior doesn't really do much dude, get over yourself. You're just as replaceable as anyone, you're just 2-3 years behind me in time elapsed on P99, you'll get there too. They're a machine, nothing more or less, people are what make a guild special not pure skill bots.

[Detoxx]

I think Detoxx is just happy all the useless people like Zeelot, DD, Loly, Eccezan, faz, olidaen, tortue, me, zilo, sworen, tegellan etc. are gone and out of the way so his elite crew can take over. And now its clear and easy for him to collect those PD items too.

(psst. there will be more soon)

Rofl you must be joking to even consider yourself part of that list. Youve done nothing since ive been in tmo.

"Fountree was a big part of thr dominance TMO had from 2011- 2014..." said no one ever

[sanforce]

5 mins of draggong fayd sounds like kiting to me..

Well, you obviously don't know the engage rules. Fay is the longest pull, other outdoor dragons can be pulled to engage spots as well. It has to be in a (mostly) strait line to your raid force. Taking detours to add time counts as a kite, running in a strait line to your raid force counts as a pull. Get it? (probably not)

[Frieza_Prexus]

Gotcha that makes sense, but is the same for other mobs like Sev? Meaning that 5 minute window that is ok for Fayd can fly for the other dragons?

All mobs (with the exception of non-raid campable mobs) operate under the FTE mechanic. The FTE shouts are simply there for convenience to provide indisputable proof of who achieved FTE. Raid mobs cannot be kited, but they can be pulled, in a reasonably direct line, to a specific camp/kill spot. In the case of Sev, raids generally set up at the TT zone line. Because the pull must be reasonably direct to a given camp, the time allowed before a pull becomes a kite can vary. Gorenaire and Sev tend to be faster pulls due to where most raids kill them, so a 5 minute Gore pull is probably a stall. Faydedar, however, is almost universally killed on ogre island, so the pull often takes 7 or 8 minutes.

Raid mobs can also be pulled if no raid is present in the zone provided that 1) a raid is making a good faith effort at assembling, and 2) the puller immediately takes it to the designated camp. This is what leads to the "dragon rush" as guilds delay achieving FTE as long as possible until they're certain they can assemble in time.

[Corro]

Gotcha, thanks for clearing that up. I was just curious how this whole ordeal went down.

[Ravager]

I think Fay would be more fun fought in the middle of the ocean.

[Cecily]

Think we could pull it into the firepots?

[sanforce]

I'm pretty sure fire pots on live could be activate by just walking over the pot (you didn't *HAVE* to click them, but you do on P1999). It would be hilarious to watch a fay engage in the pot room, with the old mechanics. Half of the raid would end up getting ported to some random city before the end of the engage.

[Mezzmur]

Why don't I have my Water Dragon Shields yet?

PS WTS Water Dragon Shield, 150k or 2 Bloomin' Onions.

[Freakish]

Real Onion Trade?
Grats ROT

[Socratic]

There is justice!

[Lazie]

Been wanting to post about this mornings Draco...LIKE ALL DAY.

[Fuddwin]

Poor IB (Variety)

[Calabee]

in the ways of dumb red slango, pras

[Imslap]

I think Detoxx is just happy all the useless people like Zeelot, DD, Loly, Eccezan, faz, olidaen, tortue, me, zilo, sworen, tegellan etc. are gone and out of the way so his elite crew can take over. And now its clear and easy for him to collect those PD items too.

(psst. there will be more soon)

Zilo logs in and plays from time to time. Not sure why you are including him in the list. Also as far as I know, Tegellan is just on a break.

[Mezzmur]

Zilo logs in and plays from time to time. Not sure why you are including him in the list. Also as far as I know, Tegellan is just on a break.

RIP Sworen. :(

[Alarti0001]

Well obviously everyone is a non-factor. A warrior doesn't really do much dude, get over yourself. You're just as replaceable as anyone, you're just 2-3 years behind me in time elapsed on P99, you'll get there too. They're a machine, nothing more or less, people are what make a guild special not pure skill bots.

Something else makes your "special' though, likely an extra/missing chromosome.

[Rellapse40]

Something else makes your "special' though, likely an extra/missing chromosome.

huh

[Alarti0001]

I think Detoxx is just happy all the useless people like Zeelot, DD, Loly, Eccezan, faz, olidaen, tortue, me, zilo, sworen, tegellan etc. are gone and out of the way so his elite crew can take over. And now its clear and easy for him to collect those PD items too.

(psst. there will be more soon)

Sworen didn't leave/quit the guild. Losing Loly/ecc/you/olidaen didn't hurt much, and TMO is trained roughly 40% less now that tortue is gone. Faz also isn't getting us suspended anymore, and Zee/DD haven't been a factor since 2011? maybe 2012.

[Alarti0001]

huh

Forgot you were dumb. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome

[Rellapse40]

all those people you just mentioned were 100000 times better than u

[Rellapse40]

they were also the people who made your shitty guild successful without them you would of been still wiping in fear or being scrubs like BDA

[Alarti0001]

all those people you just mentioned were 100000 times better than u

oh.

[Alarti0001]

they were also the people who made your shitty guild successful without them you would of been still wiping in fear or being scrubs like BDA

Without DARPA none of us would be here.

[Eashan]

HODOR !!!!

[Rellapse40]

Something else makes your "special' though, likely an extra/missing chromosome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar

[Alarti0001]

they were also the people who made your shitty guild successful without them you would of been still wiping in fear or being scrubs like BDA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_grammar

Use your own advice. Derp.

[Rellapse40]

naw

i could care less but it is funny seeing you make the mistakes when u r always on someones nuts about it

ps u still answering phones for 8 bucks n hour?

[Alarti0001]

naw

i could care less but it is funny seeing you make the mistakes when u r always on someones nuts about it

ps u still answering phones for 8 bucks n hour?

I never get on pplz nuts for grammar, or spelling. Why so stupid(inbred)?

Minimum wage in Seattle is higher than the maximum wage you've ever earned.

[Rellapse40]

naw

burger king pays more than some nerd answering a phone

u feels

[Alarti0001]

naw

burger king pays more than some nerd answering a phone

u feels

naw

Rellapse can't imagine a world where he has more than 1 responsibility at work. Fry-cook is tough.

[Rellapse40]

talks about 1 responsibility

something he knows

answering phones

[Alarti0001]

talks about 1 responsibility

something he knows

answering phones

Got 1 up on you.

[ClownGuild]

JUSTICE IS SERVED!

[Gaffin 7.0]

alarti trolls u guys so hard its hilarious

[radditsu]

alarti trolls u guys so hard its hilarious

I wouldn't call it successful.