The New TMO

[stonez138]

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Originally Posted by getsome
I know this affected other guilds too so I figured I would post here.

An unguilded character by the name of Golden got an FTE msg on the ffa Fay today and then died to faydedar seconds later.

Fay was then pulled by multiple people to Ogre Island. IB engaged and killed faydedar.

I was informed by tmo after we killed faydedar that they claim it was their fte and they demanded the loot.

Do any other guilds have an experience in dealing with this type of situation?


Originally Posted by Cunt bag spin doctor from TMO
The largest principle here that illuminates the poor lapse of judgement of the decision to engage on another guilds FTE, which has customarily resulted in suspensions, is that there does not need to be a sufficient raid force in the zone during the pull. Any toon can pull a mob for any guild, whether in that guild or not. Also, the character that did pull the mob is a known TMO alt and has pulled many dragons for TMO in the past.

Shitting on the server. Par for the course.

[Hitpoint]

Our dragon gets KS'd and ninja looted and we're shitting on the server?

When did it become okay to kill someone else's FTE? Doesn't matter if he's guilded or not, the rules are that you always respect FTE message. If you don't have FTE, you don't attack the mob, end of story.

[Lazie]

Our dragon gets KS'd and ninja looted and we're shitting on the server?

When did it become okay to kill someone else's FTE? Doesn't matter if he's guilded or not, the rules are that you always respect FTE message. If you don't have FTE, you don't attack the mob, end of story.

/agree X1000

FTE is king here. If they had a doubt about the FTE message they send a tell to the guy who got it and find out before they engage a mob. You don't spend the next 6 minutes of the pull deciding to KS the FTE.

[Shinko]

The new TMO has 100% more Shinko

[Cecily]

This is what happens when you have casual guilds like Taken and IB try to get involved with the raid scene. FFA is just a bad idea.

[Juevento]

This is what happens when you have casual guilds like Taken and IB try to get involved with the raid scene. FFA is just a bad idea.

yup... 50/50 class c and class r and we dont have to deal with you fucks anymore

[Ciroco]

TMO clearly trying to circumvent the 2 person tracker rule by using unguilded persons, ban them all

[Emsee]

You pulled off/ks'd a tmo puller, why the fuck are you here crying like a bitch again?

[Socratic]

TMO clearly trying to circumvent the 2 person tracker rule by using unguilded persons, ban them all

If TMO ever had more than 2 FTEers at a spawn, guilded or not, you better believe that shit would be all over RNF in seconds.

We respect the rules. Some guilds don't.

[Faron]

The new TMO has 100% more Shinko

HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME

[Detoxx]

yup... 50/50 class c and class r and we dont have to deal with you fucks anymore

You never dealt with us before...something along the lines of "it's not that we can't compete, we just don't want to so we'll wait until the look is handed out" iirc.

[Lazie]

TMO clearly trying to circumvent the 2 person tracker rule by using unguilded persons, ban them all

Yeah, or that wasn't the case. There was no manipulation of rules here by TMO. There was no attempt to circumvent rules here by TMO. Someone needed to be replaced as a tracker and Flippie used one of his alts. Here are a few general guidelines to follow for people in the future.

1. If anyone from any guild at Fay has a question about him or his affiliation send the guy a tell and find out. This never occurred.

2. If they then have a problem or dispute with one of the 2 trackers there for TMO or an unguilded person getting FTE not having a guild tag then send a message to the officers of the guild and open up a line of communication about it.

I mean the Fay pull is a long pull. You have time to ask these questions and bring about these concerns. Instead one guild spent this time deciding to just KS the FTE and Ninja loot the dragon. Now it seems they then tried to entice another guild with loot off the dragon to support their actions.

[Puurty]

I'm surprised TMO just didn't use some of their Asgard alts to add more numbers... seems this unguilded strat and forum defense were scripted far in advance

If Asgard is a Tmo alt guild then why did they get FTE on our noble today? Wouldn't they have just let us kill it? Stop saying we are TMO's alt guild because we are NOT.

[Artaenc]

I'm surprised TMO just didn't use some of their Asgard alts to add more numbers... seems this unguilded strat and forum defense were scripted far in advance

Yep, TMO's main pullers were not there because they were too busy playing their Asgard alts in sky, all 47 of them. Now you know why they had to use an untagged char to pull this round.

[Erydan Ouragan]

I don't get why being untagged matters :confused:

Look at the name on the FTE message. Is he one of your guys? No? Then back off, simple as that.

[Daldaen]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

[Tasslehofp99]

I don't get why being untagged matters :confused:

Look at the name on the FTE message. Is he one of your guys? No? Then back off, simple as that.

/thread

[Thulack]

If Asgard is a Tmo alt guild then why did they get FTE on our noble today? Wouldn't they have just let us kill it? Stop saying we are TMO's alt guild because we are NOT.

But a TMO alt is a officer of your guild so explain that? Also, Hey TMO why dont you just tag your fucking pullers then there wouldnt be a issue. You know the guy you've so called had pulled multiple mobs that no one has ever seen before.....yeah. Your all a joke. You think you rule the server but everyone knows your just a bunch of douches save a few cool people.

[Tasslehofp99]

But a TMO alt is a officer of your guild so explain that? Also, Hey TMO why dont you just tag your fucking pullers then there wouldnt be a issue. You know the guy you've so called had pulled multiple mobs that no one has ever seen before.....yeah. Your all a joke. You think you rule the server but everyone knows your just a bunch of douches save a few cool people.

How is this not getting through to you?

There was no new FTE message after Golden; your guild didn't have FTE.

That is all that matters, its fairly simple!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

If TMO had more than 2 representatives, I'd agree with this. But it'd be pretty fucking obvious and we'd have to forfeit the mob, and we're not fucking retarded, so we don't.

Also, FTE spam is literally the worst the server has ever been. That shit has got to stop on all sides and I don't think it's going to happen without GM intervention, though.

[Thulack]

How is this not getting through to you?

There was no new FTE message after Golden; your guild didn't have FTE.

That is all that matters, its fairly simple!

No shit and we didnt engage. Not sure what the point is in having a untagged toon though at a spot. If he has pulled multiple FTE's for you then why the shadyness of not having the toon tagged? Sorry but doing stupid ass shit like that is why people don't like you.

[Youlath]

If TMO had more than 2 representatives, I'd agree with this. But it'd be pretty fucking obvious and we'd have to forfeit the mob, and we're not fucking retarded, so we don't.

Also, FTE spam is literally the worst the server has ever been. That shit has got to stop on all sides and I don't think it's going to happen without GM intervention, though.

yeah no, it's pretty bad but nothing is worse than poopsocking a raidforce on top of a mob with no engage shout with 72 hour windows

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Our entire guild could show up without a tag. Irrelevant. If the FTE'r brought us the mob and we killed it, he could choose whether it was a legit kill or not or claim KS.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

yeah no, it's pretty bad but nothing is worse than poopsocking a raidforce on top of a mob with no engage shout with 72 hour windows

Eh, except it was rarely that bad. Usually only last 8 hours of 96 hour windows or 4-6 of 48 hour windows. When people started socking during the early days of window extension though (vs, mostly) shit was brutal though.

[Daldaen]

Yes, you didn't this time.

There were 2 unguilded people trying to FTE on Faydedar yesterday -- Throughout the day, there weren't 2 there at the time he spawned and was engaged --. Were both the unguilded mage and bard with TMO?

What is stopping you from having them both there as well as 1 guilded TMO tracker? If 1 of the unguilded gets FTE, you tag and claim them as yours, the other pretends to know nothing about TMO. The practice of having unguilded trackers/pullers is just unnecessary. Why do you not have these characters tagged? You were able to log in 30+ toons within several minutes after Fay spawned, why couldn't one of them logged in before the unguilded person started tracking to tag them. Surely 1 or 2 officer tags were present. If not... promote moar of your alts.

But yea we desperately need something to make the FTE spam less shitty. Cause without a macro/autofire program, you may as well not bother trying.

My 2 suggestions would help and I can't really imagine why people would be opposed to it. It gives more of a race feel. Having to actually track the mob, find it up (for outdoor dragons), then run someone out there to pull it. Rather than spamming a jav for 16 hours, sitting on spawn points with pets and such.

Dragons having a fixed spawn point along their pathing, I doubt is classic. I'm betting that was something that was randomized on live. But obviously, this is impossible to prove.

Really wish someone in the legit guild discussion forum would start a topic on these 2 issues.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Yes, you didn't this time.

There were 2 unguilded people trying to FTE on Faydedar yesterday -- Throughout the day, there weren't 2 there at the time he spawned and was engaged --. Were both the unguilded mage and bard with TMO?

What is stopping you from having them both there as well as 1 guilded TMO tracker? If 1 of the unguilded gets FTE, you tag and claim them as yours, the other pretends to know nothing about TMO. The practice of having unguilded trackers/pullers is just unnecessary. Why do you not have these characters tagged? You were able to log in 30+ toons within several minutes after Fay spawned, why couldn't one of them logged in before the unguilded person started tracking to tag them. Surely 1 or 2 officer tags were present. If not... promote moar of your alts.

But yea we desperately need something to make the FTE spam less shitty. Cause without a macro/autofire program, you may as well not bother trying.

My 2 suggestions would help and I can't really imagine why people would be opposed to it. It gives more of a race feel. Having to actually track the mob, find it up (for outdoor dragons), then run someone out there to pull it. Rather than spamming a jav for 16 hours, sitting on spawn points with pets and such.

Dragons having a fixed spawn point along their pathing, I doubt is classic. I'm betting that was something that was randomized on live. But obviously, this is impossible to prove.

Really wish someone in the legit guild discussion forum would start a topic on these 2 issues.

Because people who the zone and have logs on when shit is pulled. Encounter logs prove this. We've traced IPs in the past for this kind of shit if too many representatives are suspected, mobs have been forfeited and suspensions handled down. It's like you don't even raid here :P

[Ravager]

You never dealt with us before...something along the lines of "it's not that we can't compete, we just don't want to so we'll wait until the look is handed out" iirc.

Technically, every mob on this server is a handout. Some people are just better at sharing.

[Erydan Ouragan]

Because using an I guilded person allows you to more easily circumvent the rule. Example:

TMO, IB have 1 player each tracking. And there are 20 unguilded players tracking. There can only be 1 FTEer, so whoever gets the FTE, if they are unguilded, you guild invite them real quick. And the other 19 unguilded just camp out.

You can't really prove association with the other 19 unguilded who camp out, so technically no one broke any rules.

Somewhat of a stretch but I don't see it beyond people having a few unguilded and one guilded tracker and if your unguilded get FTE, you just tag them.

Really though, the whole FTE business is retarded.


Outdoor dragons should be able to spawn at anywhere along their pathing nodes
Trackers who are in zone on pop shouldn't be able to FTE

Those two changes would help a bit with the dragons being engaged with autofire jav macros and people chain clicking for 15min.

I understand, makes more sense now, thanks for explaining that.

I just disagree with the part in bold, though. I'm pretty sure GMs have more than enough tools to check what's what in that particular scenario. 19 unguilded characters, in the same zone, logging out simultaneously after a raid target pops would be like neon-flashing arrows for them in their logs.

So in my opinion, the correct course of action would have been to back off, petition, and then let the GM sort it out. If any unfair advantage was gained by a guild, GMs will take appropriate action.

In that case, i'd rather lose a shot at a kill. Dragons will always repop.

[Daldaen]

Because people who the zone and have logs on when shit is pulled. Encounter logs prove this. We've traced IPs in the past for this kind of shit if too many representatives are suspected, mobs have been forfeited and suspensions handled down. It's like you don't even raid here :P

Don't raid Class C stuff here for sure! Never heard of this happening before. So you're saying that people have used 3+ people, some of whom are unguilded, for face tracking?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I understand, makes more sense now, thanks for explaining that.

I just disagree with the part in bold, though. I'm pretty sure GMs have more than enough tools to check what's what in that particular scenario. 19 unguilded characters, in the same zone, logging out simultaneously after a raid target pops would be like neon-flashing arrows for them in their logs.

So in my opinion, the correct course of action would have been to back off, petition, and then let the GM sort it out. If any unfair advantage was gained by a guild, GMs will take appropriate action.

In that case, i'd rather lose a shot at a kill. Dragons will always repop.

except for it's bullshit. we've traced / compared ip's in the past. logs are taken on engage to see who was there, even if immediate /q. Fuck, we've done this in the past even when there's more than 2 reps past the entrance if we have good fraps of the fucking entrance of vp.

http://whatculture.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/dont-believe-his-lies.jpg

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Don't raid Class C stuff here for sure! Never heard of this happening before. So you're saying that people have used 3+ people, some of whom are unguilded, for face tracking?

It's been an issue of having more than 3 past the zone in VP. When tortue left TMO and before joining IB, he'd often be past the zone in with mobs in window. There was some question of whether he would count as IB or not. And surprise surprise, he's now in IB.

Also, with pet pulling being a thing, they usually require a train up given the see invis situation to place the pet, which would cause 3 to be past zone in and a forfeiture of the spawn if it had spawned during that window. It's funny, too, had we not used an idol + shm FD ring to set redgar on SW yesterday we would've had to forfeit SW given the time he spawned. Heallun saving the day bringing extra idols -- yer welcome :P

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs. Getsome is usually better than this, he overplayed his hand here. GMs need to sack up--they banned an entire guild on red for exploiting naggy/vox. Let's see how blatant disregard for easily followable and established server rules by an entire guild goes.

[radditsu]

Bitching over fay. After 10 years of kunark on this box.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Bitching over fay. After 10 years of kunark on this box.

Tanrin got a water dragon? your alts got dhbs? All your druids got epics?

[Erydan Ouragan]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs.


Exactly, that way you win on both counts:

A) FTE is legit, you backed off and lost a kill, nothing happens.

B) FTE is not legit, appropriate action is taken against the offending party.

Why risk a shitstorm?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Exactly, that way you win on both counts:

A) FTE is legit, you backed off and lost a kill, nothing happens.

B) FTE is not legit, appropriate action is taken against the offending party.

Why risk a shitstorm?

Because getsome thought he could get away with it. EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds. Blatantly breaking the rules and then trying to claim the other guild did something shady is the ultimate sack-face rub.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Also, with how petition heavy raiding is atm, you better believe if there was a question of who was an unguilded FTE'r at a spawn they'd be spammed with who are you over and over again and then petitioned after the fact even if they didn't get FTE to have the offending guild suspended / forfeiture of mobs. Getsome is usually better than this, he overplayed his hand here. GMs need to sack up--they banned an entire guild on red for exploiting naggy/vox. Let's see how blatant disregard for easily followable and established server rules by an entire guild goes.

I just figured IB doesn't Fraps of you guys breaking rules on anything earlier this week to rotate mobs so you guys actually need to petition against each other now.

If IB didn't see a FTE message when they tagged, they knew better and should have disengaged. This is similar to how Doljo's Maestro (the one time they actually killed a "raid mob") got reverted back to A-Team due to not having FTE.

That being said, this just sounds like another shady tactic by TMO to lure another guild into a trap so they could Fraps the infraction and use it to get a VP mob conceded to them... they just didn't count on a Class R guild being involved. If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

[radditsu]

Tanrin got a water dragon? your alts got dhbs? All your druids got epics?

Even sprucewaynee. My lvl 8 druid has epic.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Even sprucewaynee. My lvl 8 druid has epic.

But seriously, that water dragon, I could really use it <_<

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I just figured IB doesn't Fraps of you guys breaking rules on anything earlier this week to rotate mobs so you guys actually need to petition against each other now.

If IB didn't see a FTE message when they tagged, they knew better and should have disengaged. This is similar to how Doljo's Maestro (the one time they actually killed a "raid mob") got reverted back to A-Team due to not having FTE.

That being said, this just sounds like another shady tactic by TMO to lure another guild into a trap so they could Fraps the infraction and use it to get a VP mob conceded to them... they just didn't count on a Class R guild being involved. If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

SOME OTHER GREAT GM READS:

Sirken: if you do not have FTE, you do not kill the mob. you wait for the mob to reset.

end of discussion.

Getsome: how does that work when the person who got FTE is dead and not guilded?

Sirken: the same way it works when the person who got FTE is dead and is guilded.

Getsome: I disagree. (etc. etc. post continues)

Sirken: that player golden has pulled multiple raid mobs for TMO, i've confirmed this is the logs. dont act like its some player you've never seen before.

you can make whatever argument you like, at the end of the day, you didn't have FTE, and after that person died, there was never a new FTE message given.

you had absolutely zero reason to think the mob was yours.

next time it happens you will get a week break from raiding. one of the most important things in the raid scene is to respect each others FTE messages.

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At the end of the day, Uthgaard 2014.

[Erydan Ouragan]

If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

I admit it's pretty shady, but also easily avoidable. Look at the FTE shout. Is it one of your guys? No? Then you back off. Doesn't matter if the char is unguilded, or a lvl 5 bard alt with drums doing the pulling. If you see a new FTE message, you engage again.

Backing off when you don't have FTE should be an automatic reflex, because it's clearly stated in the rules.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

Question still hasnt been answered... if Golden is a regular puller for TMO, why isn't he tagged TMO? For the simple purpose of obfuscation of the engagement, right? Or is there another reason?

Or are you championing that all guilds should just remove guildtags for all their pullers to make FTE more of a clusterfuck after we finally got the FTE shouts to help uncloud the situation?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

If all the pullers wanted to remove their tags it'd be fine, because you know that it wasn't you who had the pull regardless. Two on spawn would still be easy to check via ip tracking as it has been done in the past. Guilds would still pull it to the correct camp because they know which pullers are there. We don't really even need these guild tags--we hang out in ventrilo and know the members.

You'd have to ask Flippie why he's not tagged. But as Sirken said, it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Definitely something you could bring up, though.

[hatelore]

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

You have no reason to believe any raid mob is yours without yellow text. It's been this way since forever. If it turns out Golden was some random jackoff kiting faydedar because of his secret hatred for IB, he'd be punished severely. You still have to wait for the yellow text.

[Daldaen]

Who is Golden btw? IE Whose character is it?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Who is Golden btw? IE Whose character is it?

Think it's Flippie, don't quote me on that, though.

[hatelore]

You have no reason to believe any raid mob is yours without yellow text. It's been this way since forever. If it turns out Golden was some random jackoff kiting faydedar because of his secret hatred for IB, he'd be punished severely. You still have to wait for the yellow text.

And you have no reason to believe the mob is tmo's, if he doesn't wear your tag. Why even cause all of that confusion? Tmo is the PREMIER guild, why wouldn't he just get an invite?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

And you have no reason to believe the mob is tmo's, if he doesn't wear your tag. Why even cause all of that confusion? Tmo is the PREMIER guild, why wouldn't he just get an invite?

Except I'm literally talking to this guy on ventrilo as he's giving me a play by play on how close the mob is, with another guy having eyes on the mob. He's invited now, not sure why he wasn't tagged before, you'll have to ask him. But again, irrelevant.

[Portasaurus]

WTB unguilded Sea Dragon Meat tracker

[hatelore]

So now the TOP guild, the PREMIER guild, Has un-guilded toons pull for them? Yeah, that doesn't sound in the least bit shady to anyone. Not even slightly.

[hatelore]

He is guilded now, but as your guildy sirken stated, He has pulled numerous times before and he wasn't guilded.

[Tiggles]

Think it's Flippie, don't quote me on that, though.

Don't you tell us what to do

[Thulack]

/auction WTS FTE rights. I'll unguild my toons and sell FTE rights to whoever gives me the most loot from the mob.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

So now the TOP guild, the PREMIER guild, Has un-guilded toons pull for them? Yeah, that doesn't sound in the least bit shady to anyone. Not even slightly.

Total conspiracy. You got me. Last mob left in window outside of vp with 2 hours left on window and clearly tmo can only get 1 tracker out there. Clearly no time to ask this guy on the pull what guild he's in.

I truly cannot figure out this server's hatred for "The New TMO", really. Loot is evenly and openly distributed. Rules are followed well (minus mistakes like the fistn incident, which we paid for with xygoz) and trolling is kept to about the same as any other RNF guild. Tiggles still sometimes knocks em out of the park, and pras for that, but there's no egregious attacks or boasting. We show up to raid 2 days a week, get mobs, and do chardok aoe just like the rest of you guys. The fuck is the deal here guys--hatelore, can you list two people in TMO you have personal grudges against?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

/auction WTS FTE rights. I'll unguild my toons and sell FTE rights to whoever gives me the most loot from the mob.

VS went down like this a few times. Anyone remember what the ruling was on that? I believe it was some newbie who got the VS FTE and did actually sell it to TMO for like 100k? Was during the zeelot era before my time. Tiggles or Jeremy you guys remember?

[hatelore]

Lol, no reason to change the discussion as if we all hate tmo. I personally have zero grudges against anyone in tmo, nor do I even care what goes on on blue to be truthfully honest.

But that shit did sound hella shady. And if you were still competing with Tmo... I am pretty sure you would agree and be fighting tooth and nail against it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Lol, no reason to change the discussion as if we all hate tmo. I personally have zero grudges against anyone in tmo, nor do I even care what goes on on blue to be truthfully honest.

But that shit did sound hella shady. And if you were still competing with Tmo... I am pretty sure you would agree and be fighting tooth and nail against it.

Not this time, no. That's what I'm saying here though--since I've joined TMO we have really been more than careful about server rules. I've petitioned my own guild several times for breaking the rules (adamant on 2 boxing and RMT especially) so I'd like to think I'm at least somewhat impartial on this. Mazam etc. freak the fuck out if we happen to have more on location than we can, even during resetting chain / tracker swaps etc.

[Portasaurus]

I may be proving my ignorance with this post, but do people really think the staff is Platlord, or am I just an easy troll on this subject?

It also seems like everyone in the community "knows" who he/she/it/they is/are, while this whole time Platlord has remained a complete and total mystery to me and everyone I've spoken to.

Again, is everyone else just pretending to know, or am I simply uninformed?

I'm not sure why, but this whole concept intrigues me and posts like these never seem to actually go anywhere.

The people demand answers! And Scorpion Sandwiches. Answers and Scorpion Sandwiches, please. Hold the mayo and the BS.

[Portasaurus]

^ LOL WRONG THREAD.

[YendorLootmonkey]

There are two situations here:

1. IB tagged a mob that didn't give a FTE shout, and then killed it and looted. As a Class C guild, they should have known better and saw that they didn't have FTE and should have disengaged. This is clear and I have no idea why IB/Taken are trying to argue against this unless they have a logfile that shows one of their members (or unguilded mercenaries now, since we're going that route?) having a FTE message from Fay after Golden did. For the rules lawyers, this "FTE is everything" ruling was made clear in the case of A-Team v. Lord Doljo ( www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139034 ).

2. The purposeful clouding of the FTE by using an unguilded character to tag. This is the bigger picture issue to me, due to the history we have of how things escalate on the raid scene here. "If it's not specifically in the rules, it's allowed and fair game!" is like the personal motto of Class C guilds, and now one of them got burnt by it. What's the escalation going to be? I'll tell you the end game right now... posts in the EC Tunnel forums like: "WTB services of an unguilded toon, without any prior affiliation to (IB or TMO), paying 100K to help sit around and get FTE. Will get you VP key and loot VP rots." Then you Class C hardcore pro-competition players are gonna have 2 people in IB, 2 people in TMO, and 10 unguilded people sitting around each VP dragon spawn point for 15 hours. And fuck Class R if you start doing that for FFA mobs, right? Enough games, this was supposed to level the playing field and make it a competitive race. Not a competition as to who can find the best loophole in the rules... that's pre-2014 P1999 Raid Scene bullshit. I thought we were beyond that.

This was the kind of stuff we were worried about during the raid negotiations... guilds doing shady things to circumvent the two-man tracking rule, the FTE rules, etc. And here we are... someone figured out and used the loophole. What's the escalation going to be now? Both Class C guilds have a clear and defined history of trying to one-up each other while "still playing by the posted rules."

BDA got suspended for "violating the spirit of the rules". It's time the spirit of the rules are protected here. It was obvious during the raid negotiations that a few of the staff involved had a pro-Class C bias (and even after, based on condescending comments made towards Class R), but if I were a GM, I would see this escalation coming a mile away and stop it before it gets way out of hand and add a clarification that dictates the facetrackers and pullers must be tagged to the guild that is desiring the FTE.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

On #2, if we already had 2 reps on spawn, we'd be ineligible of receiving the target from that FTE'r with new raid rules. Unguilded toons on spawn could become an issue, but this isn't one of those cases. It would be a good time to codify something about requiring guild (or at least, group of people) affiliation when sitting on a spawn, tag or no. Tag would probably be the easiest way to go about it. I'd propose it in the raid discussion.

The solution is to always update the rules when changing circumstances are identified. Amendments n such.

[Cecily]

We're not that devious, just lazy on re-tagging characters (our guild was disbanded) and severely short on trackers yesterday.

[YendorLootmonkey]

On #2, if we already had 2 reps on spawn, we'd be ineligible of receiving the target from that FTE'r with new raid rules. Unguilded toons on spawn could become an issue, but this isn't one of those cases. It would be a good time to codify something about requiring guild (or at least, group of people) affiliation when sitting on a spawn, tag or no. Tag would probably be the easiest way to go about it. I'd propose it in the raid discussion.

The solution is to always update the rules when changing circumstances are identified. Amendments n such.

That's all I'm asking. Thank you.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

That's all I'm asking. Thank you.

You know I'm reasonable, Yendor. Most of TMO is. Coupla ragebros at times (shoutout to raden and gadfly :PP) but they're still good dudes. Which is why I can't figure out why the entire server has a hard on for TMO.

[Erydan Ouragan]

I truly cannot figure out this server's hatred for "The New TMO", really.

I've been on p99 for close to two months now, met people that have been playing on the server for a long time, and asked them the what's what and who's who.

Apparently, and i'm quoting various people here, TMO did many nasty shit, many times, for a long time. I've heard things like locking down the entire server's raid targets, not because you need the items to progress further, but to deny other people from progressing. Many other things too, but this one in particular stood out.

I guess you don't mind that, and probably even enjoy it too. You even said, and i quote you word for word "EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds." In a previous post, in that very thread.

See, i disagree with you on that. EQ is about many things, but more importantly, the things you want it to be. It's about personal enjoyment. If you enjoy sitting in the tunnel and flip items to get rich, or log once a week and explore a dungeon with your friends, and it's what's fun for you, then more power to you. There's no definite way to play EQ.

But for you, you seem to get your fun dominating other guilds by denying them access to content you don't even need, just to "rub your nuts in their face". That's what your guild is about right? Correct me if i'm wrong. People who play computer games tend to have a good memory and don't forgive easily. Reputations are set in stone and as long as the tag <The Mystical Order> will exist, it will be like that. No matter if it's the new-improved-ameliorated-5.0-TMO, i think you guys reached a point where too much shit happened and the hatred will never die.

I don't have anything against TMO or you personally, i enjoy the game my own way, but you if you can't figure the hate for TMO, look at your guild's past and current reason for existing.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I've been on p99 for close to two months now, met people that have been playing on the server for a long time, and asked them the what's what and who's who.

Apparently, and i'm quoting various people here, TMO did many nasty shit, many times, for a long time. I've heard things like locking down the entire server's raid targets, not because you need the items to progress further, but to deny other people from progressing. Many other things too, but this one in particular stood out.

I guess you don't mind that, and probably even enjoy it too. You even said, and i quote you word for word "EQ is about rubbing your nuts on the face of opposing guilds." In a previous post, in that very thread.

See, i disagree with you on that. EQ is about many things, but more importantly, the things you want it to be. It's about personal enjoyment. If you enjoy sitting in the tunnel and flip items to get rich, or log once a week and explore a dungeon with your friends, and it's what's fun for you, then more power to you. There's no definite way to play EQ.

But for you, you seem to get your fun dominating other guilds by denying them access to content you don't even need, just to "rub your nuts in their face". That's what your guild is about right? Correct me if i'm wrong. People who play computer games tend to have a good memory and don't forgive easily. Reputations are set in stone and as long as the tag <The Mystical Order> will exist, it will be like that. No matter if it's the new-improved-ameliorated-5.0-TMO, i think you guys reached a point where too much shit happened and the hatred will never die.

I don't have anything against TMO or you personally, i enjoy the game my own way, but you if you can't figure the hate for TMO, look at your guild's past and current reason for existing.

When I say EQ, I mean the raid scene. And when I mean rubbing nuts, it's tmo v IB for ffa/c mobs. We have literally no interaction with the R guilds.

Every bit of that nasty shit was zeelot's tmo. Since the reform, not a single occurence. Admittedly I'd be a little salty waiting months for an epic when tmo/ib are gearing alts, but that's just the nature of high end EQ if you wish to maintain a competitive (sometimes to unhealthy levels :P) environment. As much shit as we talk to IB, we'd be kind of crestfallen without them there. And they us.

[YendorLootmonkey]

You know I'm reasonable, Yendor. Most of TMO is. Coupla ragebros at times (shoutout to raden and gadfly :PP) but they're still good dudes. Which is why I can't figure out why the entire server has a hard on for TMO.

I can't speak for the entire server, but I assure you that TMO does not give me an erection, good sir. :)

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Actually, a small addendum: High end raiding here has some skill to it, lots of time investment, and a ton of personality / politics. Raiding here with a dash of RNF is essentially pro wrestling. Rogean is the commissioner and the GMs are essentially JR. It's that drama and politics that keep some of us coming back, and I suppose if you didn't see the forest for the trees in that we'd come off as terribly cocky.

In the end I feel it's best for you to know your role and shut your mouth, you roody-poo candy ass :3

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I can't speak for the entire server, but I assure you that TMO does not give me an erection, good sir. :)

VP loots rotting while I see 60 warriors with sarnak warhammers make my erections harder and longer.

[YendorLootmonkey]

VP loots rotting while I see 60 warriors with sarnak warhammers make my erections harder and longer.

Then you have the weirdest boner.

[Cecily]

It's just nice to see bad things happen to people who hate you. We get so few chances to humiliate Taken, and I just wanna say thank you Jesus for this opportunity.

[Splorf22]

I think we can all agree that jav spamming is retarded. The problem is that ALL methods will be equally retarded. Either you have some sort of GM allocation, or you have "competition", and any competition over targets where 30 people can kill by facerolling their keyboards for under a minute is going to be dumb. Before it was endless hours of tracking; now we have jav spamming. Both are dumb.

The real solution is to triple the HP of every raid target (maybe 2x for Hosh and Gorenaire). In other words, Velious.

[YendorLootmonkey]

This is like the most tame ending to a RNF thread ever... I'm half expecting to see someone post a picture of that big black cock in it to cap it off.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I think we can all agree that jav spamming is retarded. The problem is that ALL methods will be equally retarded. Either you have some sort of GM allocation, or you have "competition", and any competition over targets where 30 people can kill by facerolling their keyboards for under a minute is going to be dumb. Before it was endless hours of tracking; now we have jav spamming. Both are dumb.

The real solution is to triple the HP of every raid target (maybe 2x for Hosh and Gorenaire). In other words, Velious.

Tracking is bad, but it's not quite as bad as jav spamming, especially given possible hardware and software modifications. Even if pullers had to log in right as the mob spawned and it came down to who had the better SSD, it would be better than current jav spamming (which is colloquially used, it's rarely javelins at this point).

[Splorf22]

Also I agree that the FFA part of the C/R system is retarded. I would suggest that we just go C/R 50/50 except that class C would not be happy. Maybe R/C/R/C/C repeat.

[Cecily]

Agreed, go back to 100% FFA.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also I agree that the FFA part of the C/R system is retarded. I would suggest that we just go C/R 50/50 except that class C would not be happy. Maybe R/C/R/C/C repeat.

Why is it retarded? Taken (and sometimes BDA) compete on FFA targets all the time. Sev / Fay especially almost always come down to the FTE. Trakanon is just a coth race and the skill of your trainer (and having 1 bladestopper helps, but c'mon). BDA gets vox on the reg and probably could go nagafen, too.

We do win most often, because we camp most often, and we track most often. But the other guilds are also getting targets when they go out for them.

[Splorf22]

the whole point of the R/C system was to keep the R and C guilds in different sandboxes

[HeallunRumblebelly]

the whole point of the R/C system was to keep the R and C guilds in different sandboxes

except it's the r/c/ffa system (or whatever the order). To allow R guilds to compete when they wanted to, and to not compete when they want to and still get targets. It's actually still posted in raid discussion.

[Erydan Ouragan]

When I say EQ, I mean the raid scene. And when I mean rubbing nuts, it's tmo v IB for ffa/c mobs. We have literally no interaction with the R guilds.

Every bit of that nasty shit was zeelot's tmo. Since the reform, not a single occurence. Admittedly I'd be a little salty waiting months for an epic when tmo/ib are gearing alts, but that's just the nature of high end EQ if you wish to maintain a competitive (sometimes to unhealthy levels :P) environment. As much shit as we talk to IB, we'd be kind of crestfallen without them there. And they us.

That's the problem right there. At what point is enough is enough? If people are waiting months for epics, why are you gearing alts? Just because you can? Why not let them have it, or at least just try? I'll tell you why, in my opinion:

It's not about the competitive environment. It's about ego and status. You're holding the top guild position on the server. You have the best gear and have the hardest zone on farm status, you could totally give mobs to other guilds, hell, you could even help them, but then, they would get the best gear too right? And if that happened, you wouldn't be the top guild anymore. Let me ask you this: if raid R and C classes didn't exist and everything was still FTE, would the new TMO share raid targets with other guilds?

If zeelot is gone and TMO is a new guild, legit and everything, then i think you guys should have reformed under another name, because of everything that happened in the past. Don't you think?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The guild name choice was on the table as part of the merge. It was declined in favor of other things.

As for the farm, I still have alts (which I use to raid) that require gear, most of the people in TMO do as well. We'll never stop needing PD loots. I'm pretty sure we'd kill everything if we had the chance because there still are things we require.

Ego and status are definitely part of it. I think most people who put in what the members of TMO put in would like the same. It's a great feeling to get that FTE which gets the kill. To get those clutch soulfire clicks in to save the day. It's that rush of raiding which keeps many coming back and admittedly the look and status of the gear is another motivating factor for some. I've personally enjoyed increasing my power projection to having many different geared 60s to be anywhere at any time ready to kill things with what is required.

This was re hashed repeatedly in the GM discussions before we had the r/c/ffa system. In the end the players couldn't come to an agreement (or even the GMs, really) so rogean set up something and it's worked out pretty well so far. I'm just not sure there really is a middle ground between the R and C guilds, and as long as the C guilds are constantly recruiting (because burnout does happen, especially with all the pops happening over the course of 2 days) I'm not sure if another guild will rise up to C status.

[Heebo]

lol "guys, golden doesn't have a guild tag let's just KS it"

GMs "oh you IB rascals. You do that ooooone more time...!"

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I should also add that the only things that rot are things that are specific and truly garbage. Lots of vp 2 handers (sans rile) and vp warrior weapons--because most of the 60 warriors even outside of TMO have epics. We still have shaman that need dragonborn, necros that need adversity, wizards that need rend robes, melee that need sow swords, and monks that want grey suede. It's just the nature of the beast, especially with turnover.

[Erydan Ouragan]

The guild name choice was on the table as part of the merge. It was declined in favor of other things.

As for the farm, I still have alts (which I use to raid) that require gear, most of the people in TMO do as well. We'll never stop needing PD loots. I'm pretty sure we'd kill everything if we had the chance because there still are things we require.

Ego and status are definitely part of it. I think most people who put in what the members of TMO put in would like the same. It's a great feeling to get that FTE which gets the kill. To get those clutch soulfire clicks in to save the day. It's that rush of raiding which keeps many coming back and admittedly the look and status of the gear is another motivating factor for some. I've personally enjoyed increasing my power projection to having many different geared 60s to be anywhere at any time ready to kill things with what is required.

This was re hashed repeatedly in the GM discussions before we had the r/c/ffa system. In the end the players couldn't come to an agreement (or even the GMs, really) so rogean set up something and it's worked out pretty well so far. I'm just not sure there really is a middle ground between the R and C guilds, and as long as the C guilds are constantly recruiting (because burnout does happen, especially with all the pops happening over the course of 2 days) I'm not sure if another guild will rise up to C status.

That's a good answer, thank you :)

[Mezzmur]

lol "guys, golden doesn't have a guild tag let's just KS it"

GMs "oh you IB rascals. You do that ooooone more time...!"

/thread!

[JayN]

Good to know gms continually let rogeans friends (IB) do whatever they wish sickening folks sickening

[JayN]

the world is so corrupt

[Mezzmur]

Learn to read idiots, your spin wasn't even necessary... but good work throwing situations out there that weren't even touched on to verify your guilty conscience.

There are TMO alts in Asgard it's fact, quit trying to act like there aren't. You've even said in the past you welcome alts of other guilds as long as they don't talk ill about anyone else lol.

Who cares? If they're not doing anything shady but raiding with the guild under the guild bannner with alts.

I know people with alts in any number of Class R guilds because the raid scene is now 2 days a week instead of 7. It's either don't long on or find other stuff to do.

[Rellapse40]

hahahah tmo is stupid as fuck

[quido]

Yendor has got to be the dumbest fuck on these boards.

[Pint]

Learn to read idiots, your spin wasn't even necessary... but good work throwing situations out there that weren't even touched on to verify your guilty conscience.

There are TMO alts in Asgard it's fact, quit trying to act like there aren't. You've even said in the past you welcome alts of other guilds as long as they don't talk ill about anyone else lol.

There's a difference between being someone's alt guild and having alts in someone's guild.. I have a few alts tagged Tmo, somebody alert the staff bc Tmo must be my alt guild!

[HethGnome]

Who cares? If they're not doing anything shady but raiding with the guild under the guild bannner with alts.

I know people with alts in any number of Class R guilds because the raid scene is now 2 days a week instead of 7. It's either don't long on or find other stuff to do.

Pretty scummy.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Pretty scummy.

Mind explaining? I don't think any of them have any leadership positions in asgard, nor move any loot from asgard to TMO. If anything I'm sure their knowledge, ability and resources are appreciated.

[Hitpoint]

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

What's it like to live in a world where reason and logic don't exist?

[Mezzmur]

Pretty scummy.

I'm not even talking about TMO, either, that's the best part. P99 is an incestuous pool of people if you actually tied accounts/toons/IPs together.

[HethGnome]

Mind explaining? I don't think any of them have any leadership positions in asgard, nor move any loot from asgard to TMO. If anything I'm sure their knowledge, ability and resources are appreciated.
I'm assuming the guilds don't know they're joining as a tmo alt.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I'm assuming the guilds don't know they're joining as a tmo alt.

Some do, some don't. I haven't applied to asgard so I can't know. Admittedly if they do ask your guild affiliations they should be listed on the application. Lots of TMO traders aren't tagged though for the trouble it brings.

[Pint]

Still an idiot, you're only confusing yourself... i clearly know the difference as you can't quote in this thread that i said anything regarding being an alt guild. Only your fellow asgardians made that correlation. I've only stated the obvious which isn't a big deal and what you are arguing for which is having alts in said guild.

Get over your guilty conscience bro

Lol guilty conscience, you're a clown.. Who are you in game anyway, I'd like to know who to keep an eye out for while I'm fte'ing stuff for tmo

[zanderklocke]

Wait, people really keep characters in two guilds and acquire DKP and loot in two guilds?

Do you have to take on a different persona and not ever help the other guild with your character to avoid blurred guild lines?

Ridiculous.

[Tasslehofp99]

lol "guys, golden doesn't have a guild tag let's just KS it"

GMs "oh you IB rascals. You do that ooooone more time...!"

haha

[Ravager]

Who cares? If they're not doing anything shady but raiding with the guild under the guild bannner with alts.

I know people with alts in any number of Class R guilds because the raid scene is now 2 days a week instead of 7. It's either don't long on or find other stuff to do.

What's shitty about it is using another guild to gear your alts. Any loot you get from another guild for your alt is loot that could be going to a main. Once those alts are done gearing/leveling pretty certain they'll be wearing a TMO tag before long. TMO, the leeches of the server and they can't see what's wrong with that.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Wait, people really keep characters in two guilds and acquire DKP and loot in two guilds?

Do you have to take on a different persona and not ever help the other guild with your character to avoid blurred guild lines?

Ridiculous.

No TMO I know with asgard alts bid for loot. Most don't even raid with the alt guild :p

[Ravager]

Lots of TMO traders aren't tagged though for the trouble it brings.

The TMO tag is a problem with sales?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

What's shitty about it is using another guild to gear your alts. Any loot you get from another guild for your alt is loot that could be going to a main. Once those alts are done gearing/leveling pretty certain they'll be wearing a TMO tag before long. TMO, the leeches of the server and they can't see what's wrong with that.

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[HeallunRumblebelly]

The TMO tag is a problem with sales?

Sometimes. Sometimes even selling stupid shit, people will not play ball with the TMO tag.

[Pint]

I'm dying over here, the Tmo character they are referring to is detoxx.. If you really think detoxx is taking loots out of the mouths of asgardians then god bless you and keep the rnf flowing.

[Ravager]

Sometimes. Sometimes even selling stupid shit, people will not play ball with the TMO tag.

It's a wonder anyone wears that tag.

[HethGnome]

If asgard is ok with it, then whatever, that's their business. How about the rest of the "any number of class r guilds"?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Unaware. I don't believe TMO keeps any significant amount of members in any of the guilds except asgard, but I'm pretty sure everyone has a character in one of the other guilds. IB has access to TMO, TMO has access to IB. Secrets don't over forums don't work so well--shit, TMO boards get posted all the time. But they're kind of boring. Except the fountree thread--that was pretty good :P

[Kingore]

Sometimes. Sometimes even selling stupid shit, people will not play ball with the TMO tag.

Correct

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It's a wonder anyone wears that tag.

I dunno, i got donals legs / yunnb's last two weeks, definitely benefits.

[Ravager]

I dunno, i got donals legs / yunnb's last two weeks, definitely benefits.

I'd have em too if I were a sellout.

[Rellapse40]

heallun fat nerd sellout

[HeallunRumblebelly]

heallun fat nerd sellout

I came back, I was in FE. FE merged with TMO. I agree with that decision and have really enjoyed it here. Where am I selling out? But yeah, I am pretty fat and nerdy. Have actually started to sit down and watch fullmetal alchemist :3 Never watched it all the way through, so good.

[Gaffin 7.0]

heallun u sellout

[Rellapse40]

:3 :3 :3 :3

[HeallunRumblebelly]

25th of may, 2014, the day bouncerr called heallun a sellout, lol.

[Gaffin 7.0]

s e l l i n . o u t . h o m i e?

[Rellapse40]

gaffin sold his mom out over a bag of heroin

[Gaffin 7.0]

naw that was your mom

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I feel like this is being derailed :p At least when Yendor, Thulack call me out they do so in a specific manner. Gaffin / Relapse...just bizaare :p Also, what happened to the good days of emerald dream, relapse, do they mean nothing?! I FARMED ARENA FOR YOU!

[Rellapse40]

nice come back

[Rellapse40]

just bc i call u a fat nerd doesnt mean i dont <3 u

u feels

[Frogie305]

It's been an issue of having more than 3 past the zone in VP. When tortue left TMO and before joining IB, he'd often be past the zone in with mobs in window. There was some question of whether he would count as IB or not. And surprise surprise, he's now in IB.

Also, with pet pulling being a thing, they usually require a train up given the see invis situation to place the pet, which would cause 3 to be past zone in and a forfeiture of the spawn if it had spawned during that window. It's funny, too, had we not used an idol + shm FD ring to set redgar on SW yesterday we would've had to forfeit SW given the time he spawned. Heallun saving the day bringing extra idols -- yer welcome :P

FAMOUUSSSSS

[HeallunRumblebelly]

just bc i call u a fat nerd doesnt mean i dont <3 u

u feels

Is true. It's that tough love. No homo.

[Gaffin 7.0]

rellapse derails any thread i post in trying to resort to rl atks, stalker status

[Rellapse40]

Is true. It's that tough love. No homo.

corecraft

[HeallunRumblebelly]

corecraft

Dog, I told Perun he needs to get the band back together for corecraft. Feenix more corrupt than garage box. Wipe it clean.

[Rellapse40]

i agree

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Well you've derailed it relapse, I hope you're happy :p

[Rellapse40]

it is my job

[JayN]

obviously this will keep happening since no punishment is being handed down, so just to get this straight according to GM staff it is ok to ks and ninja loot raid mob as long as you are doing it against TMO or in IB?!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

obviously this will keep happening since no punishment is being handed down, so just to get this straight according to GM staff it is ok to ks and ninja loot raid mob as long as you are doing it against TMO or in IB?!

It's been less than 24 hours. Allow judgment to be passed first :P

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Corecraft doesn't allow boxing.

How am I supposed to play WoW if I can't 5 box moonkin? This needs to happen again.

http://i.imgur.com/6WD4hwk.jpg

Fuck, that's even better. Corecraft here I come.

[Rellapse40]

Fuck, that's even better. Corecraft here I come.

[Detoxx]

You people are ridiculous, to even justify what IB did because our puller wasnt tagged makes you not only: a) retarded, but b) fucking retarded and clueless.

This is completely irrelevant to any pulling situation. IB knows who they have on fay spawn spamming FTE, so does taken, and so does TMO.

This is a bullshit crutch for IB to get a cheap kill, skirt the rules, and apparently get away scotch free. Thats cool tho, TMO is in the wrong. How dare they get fte and expect to kill the mob that they got fte in. If the roles were switched, we'd see a front page server chat thread stating that TMO is raid suspended 2 weeks, and any scum from tmo who dared talk to Golden at any point is now banned and will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Shits a joke.

[Rellapse40]

naw tmo is the joke

[Rellapse40]

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[Cecily]

http://i44.tinypic.com/xf3iw2.jpg

http://imgur.com/E6ea4MH.jpg

[Detoxx]

http://i44.tinypic.com/xf3iw2.jpg

Rellapse is irrelevant, hangs on to the past, pretends like he was relevant (lol who are you?), and is a joke. Dont you have some heroin and drinking to do?

Fucking scumbag

[Rellapse40]

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[Rellapse40]

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[Rellapse40]

http://s23.postimg.org/xnzafjrl7/EQ000238.png

[Rellapse40]

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[Detoxx]

Hahaha wheres Svenn now? Oh on the 60 day vacation. You're both scumbags and losers, two peas in a pod. Go fuck yourself, scrub.

[Rellapse40]

someone is mad

[Detoxx]

Nah, my alt shaman has the FD ring that that scrub had to ninja to have a chance. I'm perfectly content.

As for you, keep clinging to the opiates and alcohol and pretending to be someone important on a 15 year old elf sim, seems to be working out well for you. Isn't payday in just a few days now, rellapse? The 1st is coming up lolol

[Detoxx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PArF9k2SbQk

[Rellapse40]

tldr someones jimmies have been rustled

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yendor has got to be the dumbest fuck on these boards.

Well, lets see... I agreed that IB should have known to disengage after they tagged and didn't get an FTE shout. So as much as I had to bite my tongue, I sided with your homeboys. So are you saying siding with TMO in this instance makes me the dumbest fuck on these boards?

Cooler heads prevailing, Heallun agrees with me that there should probably be an amendment to the rules to specify that trackers/pullers need to be tagged with the guild they're affiliated with so this doesn't escalate into 30 unguilded mercenaries clicking Target Nearest and Range Attack for raid mobs we all know this will ramp up into. Looking a few steps ahead makes me the dumbest fuck on these boards?

So, your jimmies appear to be rustled because I make sense and call people out on bullshit. Interesting.

[Cecily]

so this doesn't escalate into 30 unguilded mercenaries clicking Target Nearest and Range Attack for raid mobs we all know this will ramp up into.

Anyone else wanna see this?

[Ambrotos]

I do. Let the world burn.

[hatelore]

What's it like to live in a world where reason and logic don't exist?

What's it like to be a pussy bitch and ride on the coat-tails of others? And also, what's it like to formally hate the coat-tail that you now ride on? Srs questions~

But either way, I did snicker when I saw your post :) Suck it easy bro~

[Hitpoint]

What's it like to be a pussy bitch and ride on the coat-tails of others? And also, what's it like to formally hate the coat-tail that you now ride on? Srs questions~

But either way, I did snicker when I saw your post :) Suck it easy bro~

You might be retarded.

[Alarti0001]

Best part of this whole scandal is the unguilded 55 mage IB had on Fay's spawn point for most of the window.

hyp·o·crite [hip-uh-krit]
noun
1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

Synonyms:
1. Getsome
2. The rest of IB

[JayN]

someone make me some javs, ill be selling FTE''s to the highest bidder

[Mezzmur]

someone make me some javs, ill be selling FTE''s to the highest bidder

They could only pay you if they didn't have 2 on-spawn.

[radditsu]

http://assets.coca-colacompany.com/2a/9d/5ece98454e76a603f64b13dcb7e4/new-coke.jpg

[Kevynne]

You pulled off/ks'd a tmo puller, why the fuck are you here crying like a bitch again?

[Gaffin 7.0]

way too immersed people

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Nah, my alt shaman has the FD ring that that scrub had to ninja to have a chance. I'm perfectly content.

As for you, keep clinging to the opiates and alcohol and pretending to be someone important on a 15 year old elf sim, seems to be working out well for you. Isn't payday in just a few days now, rellapse? The 1st is coming up lolol

I don't think Rellapse is as important as you big Detoxx, since you were drooling like a mongoloid over your super-geared 4th alt.

He only rustled EQMAC to death.

[jtt25c]

If TMO ever had more than 2 FTEers at a spawn, guilded or not, you better believe that shit would be all over RNF in seconds.

We respect the rules. Some guilds don't.

ROFL jesus fuck thats hilarious. TMO time and time and time again has been caught purposefully, maliciously, and greedily breaking rules for their own cause.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Gotta get every spawn for that 900th trak BP, to cash in, not about the pixels mayne, bout making that rent money.

[Detoxx]

TMO doesn't respect the rules. You fucks violate them at will.

Uhmm intentional violations of using 2 FTE'er + a "Utility Class" rogue to unlock lair doors in VP?

We lost Xygoz cause of that, so moot point

[Detoxx]

I don't think Rellapse is as important as you big Detoxx, since you were drooling like a mongoloid over your super-geared 4th alt.

He only rustled EQMAC to death.

Dont you have more hacks/cheating to do? gtfo bro

[JayN]

its starting to become painfully obvious that Rogean just wants TMO gone. Zeelot was right he wants us just to disband and go away. Obviously any rules violation against TMO is looked upon warmly and even appreciated by rogean.

this has became apparent after a few of the GM staff are no longer GM's and are now voicing there own opinions on the matters

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Dont you have more hacks/cheating to do? gtfo bro

Raise up *****, talk to me like that again and I'll deny you every mob for a month straight

You think I can't get pals to Seb key me fgt?

[JayN]

Raise up *****, talk to me like that again and I'll deny you every mob for a month straight

You think I can't get pals to Seb key me fgt?

you cant do shit bitch, your mother sucks cocks in hell :D

[Rellapse40]

Detoxx one angry nerd

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Detoxx one angry nerd

Would fuck his girlfriend, screamin' YOLO as I bust a nut, he'd be too busy getting First to Engage while I crush that slut, ya feelers?

[Erasong]

yo you still around alarti?

[Ella`Ella]

TMO doesn't respect the rules. You fucks violate them at will.

Uhmm intentional violations of using 2 FTE'er + a "Utility Class" rogue to unlock lair doors in VP?

The last 4 VP mobs, Hokushin has engaged the target within the first 1/10 second from spawn time... Before yous start talking about who is cheating and who isn't respecting rules, let's consider this is clearly auto-fire.

[Ravager]

The last 4 VP mobs, Hokushin has engaged the target within the first 1/10 second from spawn time... Before yous start talking about who is cheating and who isn't respecting rules, let's consider this is clearly auto-fire.

More duct tape than hax?

[Verenity]

More duct tape than hax?

More lucky than exploit?

Who am I kidding, no one cares about blue drama

[JayN]

http://photo.shopmallchina.com/upimg4%5CDRINKING-BIRD_12884.jpg

[Emsee]

lmao JayN, always wondered if you could use one of those or would it be considered exploiting.

[Alarti0001]

yo you still around alarti?

Yep still here

[Ravager]

Yep still here

That's a shame.

[JayN]

lmao JayN, always wondered if you could use one of those or would it be considered exploiting.

Im going guild less with my water bird and am going to jav fte my way to platlord status

[DeruIsLove]

Can I join TMO specifically to harass Alarti in guild chat?

[Sckrilla]

Maybe if Alarti actually played anymore, mayhaps. Too busy with that progression guild tho.

[Alarti0001]

Maybe if Alarti actually played anymore, mayhaps. Too busy with that progression guild tho.

Too busy on Saturday's more like it.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Too busy on Saturday's more like it.

Yeah, with the raiding being so oddly fri/sat heavy we're definitely only getting a specific subsection of TMO. There's lots of people who normally had good attendance that are in the red just because of the day of raids.

[Gaffin 7.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsGiBwK4Ycc

[Ravager]

4am weekday batphones are no problem, but Saturdays are a bitch.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I work sat/sun, so yes :P But mostly it's just the 3 or 4 batphones from 12am to 6am. Get like 1 hr blocks of sleep repeatedly. Turn into a fucking zombie the next day.

[Pint]

I work sat/sun, so yes :P But mostly it's just the 3 or 4 batphones from 12am to 6am. Get like 1 hr blocks of sleep repeatedly. Turn into a fucking zombie the next day.

But it's worth it right?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

But it's worth it right?

I cry myself to sleep clutching ykeshan broad axes. Worth it.

[Lazie]

I cry myself to sleep clutching ykeshan broad axes. Worth it.

He cries whether he raids or not Pint. Don't let him use that as an excuse.