Do you think Aliens exist?

[Rellapse40]

Just watched 1993 Fire in the Sky then read/watched some more articles from the dude that got abducted.

[KagaKawaiitob]

Yes, Lron is a tranny.

[Barnes]

Just watched 1993 Fire in the Sky then read/watched some more articles from the dude that got abducted.

Read the book way better then the hollywood scare tactics in the movie.

[Houndstooth316]

Hey mommm, theres something in the bathrooooom

[phacemeltar]

it seems completely unfeasible to me that in the infinity(?) that is outer space, there are no lifeforms that do not call earth home. that being said, whether or not humans would consider them to be "lifeforms" is debatable, as well as whether we would perceive their form of being as "life"

[Tasslehofp99]

it seems completely unfeasible to me that in the infinity(?) that is outer space, there are no lifeforms that do not call earth home. that being said, whether or not humans would consider them to be "lifeforms" is debatable, as well as whether we would perceive their form of being as "life"

this.


I just think that the likelihood of life existing beyond earth is too great to simply rule it out. I doubt that they've visited earth (maybe they have, who knows? lol) but life exists out there somewhere, in some form or another.

[Sidelle]

http://i.imgur.com/dlV7Zwp.jpg

Ancient Mayan carved figurines. These are pretty cool. There is a lot of info on the internet of what seems like legit evidence of aliens such as more carvings and old cave drawings, etc..

The second pic shows a carving on a 12th century cathedral.

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/astro5.jpg

The truth is out there. I want to believe. :D

[Sidelle]

Oops. Apparently the carving in the second photo was done much later and was supposed to be a signature of the artist. Sorry. :o

[Fame]

I'm not sure we'll see aliens in our lifetime but in theme with the thread, this video has always made me wonder just how much we don't know about the universe. (Turn down/off volume if you have pets.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbHAg

http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/380938/380938,1321546022,12/stock-vector-celtic-cross-89005159.jpg



The truth is out there.

[myriverse]

http://i.imgur.com/dlV7Zwp.jpg

Ancient Mayan carved figurines. These are pretty cool. There is a lot of info on the internet of what seems like legit evidence of aliens such as more carvings and old cave drawings, etc..
That second one proves Iksar exist!

[GnashingOfTeeth]

http://media.giphy.com/media/xkSJ2jLGVaE4E/giphy.gif

[Peatree]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2690771/space-balls-alien-dance-o.gif

[Gaffin 7.0]

ive seen crazy shit in the sky i cant explain so yes

[Gaffin 7.0]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRnYSYJMEl0 at around 45 sec, nuts

[Azure]

Lron is a scientoligist and decended from Xenu and also probably transexual as well as transdimensional.

[Peatree]

99% of aliens agree that Lron is 100% tranny.

http://bunkstrutts.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/yip-yip-yip.gif?w=450

YIP! YIP! YIP!

[Glenzig]

Do I think that another race of humanoids exists? No. Do I believe that there are beings that are not from this earth that exist. Yes.

[Bardalicious]

http://i.imgur.com/dlV7Zwp.jpg


Soooo a figurine of an eskimo-looking thing and a deep sea diver?

Is it likely there is life on other planets? Sure. It's statistically probable that there is liquid water on other planets that host at least some sort of microorganism. Intelligent life? Maybe. Intelligent life that's capable of intergalactic space travel but incapable of formally revealing themselves? C'mon now..

As much as I'd like to believe, do you honestly think that some carving from 1000 BC is evidence of extraterrestrial life? We're not talking about a group of cavemen here, after all. The Mayans were extremely advanced for their time to have developed their own writing system, with which they recorded their own history, religion, astronomy and advanced mathematics. Is it that far a leap to think that they fantasized about the same questions of life beyond Earth as we do today?

I suppose when our civilization finally collapses, a few thousand years later they'll find these posts on elf sim forums backed up on some old server and the cycle will continue.

[Azure]

There's to many anomalous artifacts to argue that our history is correct and that there are no other theories that may be valid.

Yes if you just go by what you learned in highscool there's no anomolous data everything is scientifically sound.

But if you start researching on your own it takes months b4 you realize that Hawas is a fucking major retard and that monolithic structures are not isolated. That people weren't isolated pod-unk villagers. And that there's always been ancient knowledge getting scarfed up by the elites.

I believe Sidelle :P

[Gaffin 7.0]

how do you explain the pyramids in egypt. only has been one debunk that could be possible but i still dont believe it. ever seen inside that motherfucker? no way you can do that with their tools they had or the numbers of people.

how do you explain puma punku? 10 ton stones cut completely perfect like not even our modern day saws can do with diamond blades. stacked on top of each other. 90 degree angles with perfect smooth cuts.


http://i60.tinypic.com/331geb5.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2n1ur87.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/9unqes.jpg

[Bardalicious]

You're naive if you think that we fully understand the entire scope of human history on this planet. And even more so if you think that there haven't been any technologically-advanced civilizations that predate us.

It only took us a few hundred years to see huge advances in our own technology. In perspective to how old this planet is, don't you think it's more likely that perhaps we as humans really were responsible for some of these "mysterious" marvels of the past?

Are you telling me that extraterrestrial life visited ancient civilizations, a feat in it of itself miraculous with the distances they'd have to of travelled to get here, just to carve some rocks for us?

[myriverse]

There are no mysterious marvels of the past.

[Iandyan]

Something I heard that put technological cycles in perspective for me was the writings of Germanic (I think) people when they saw aqueducts after the fall of the Roman Empire.

They thought it must have been giants who built and used the structures because there was no way humans could have made them.

[Goofier]

Hawas is a fucking major retard

QFT
Spent some time in Egypt, and he's a fucking tool.

[Azure]

You're naive if you think that we fully understand the entire scope of human history on this planet. And even more so if you think that there haven't been any technologically-advanced civilizations that predate us.

It only took us a few hundred years to see huge advances in our own technology. In perspective to how old this planet is, don't you think it's more likely that perhaps we as humans really were responsible for some of these "mysterious" marvels of the past?

Are you telling me that extraterrestrial life visited ancient civilizations, a feat in it of itself miraculous with the distances they'd have to of travelled to get here, just to carve some rocks for us?

Yaw, not sure if it was aliens or us... etc... Your argument is sound. I have yet to see space travel that doesn't require some kind of mysterious Star Trek BS. So I say the crap we find on our planet is us.

And all the monolithic configurations that mirror the 3 star pattern/proportions of Orion. Though that's not proof of anything other than the people who built them understood astronomy.

[Azure]

*interstellar space travel.

Normal space travel being normal.

Also the giants-aquaducts thing. Makes more sense.

[Faisca]

I think it’s more likely that, if there are any aliens, they are already here, and they always lived here, among us, or hidden for some reason we don’t know.

Maybe we’re their science project or maybe they’re just us from a distant future or in an alternate universe or dimension, and they keep coming back and abducting us to conduct experiments, much like what the cosmetics industry does to animals.
This would explain why most reported aliens are always humanoids.

There is a lot of stuff out there, 99.99% is hoaxes and fake stuff, but there are other things that are very hard do dismiss. There are reports from a number of very credible individuals and now even governments are starting to disclose several files on these subjects.

Obviously, there are things that are still being kept secret in fear of generalized panic.
After all, nobody wants to hear about alien bases in their backyards, and dissecting experiments on living human beings.

[Glenzig]

how do you explain the pyramids in egypt. only has been one debunk that could be possible but i still dont believe it. ever seen inside that motherfucker? no way you can do that with their tools they had or the numbers of people.

how do you explain puma punku? 10 ton stones cut completely perfect like not even our modern day saws can do with diamond blades. stacked on top of each other. 90 degree angles with perfect smooth cuts.


http://i60.tinypic.com/331geb5.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2n1ur87.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/9unqes.jpg

This is working off the assumption that humans were dumber and less capable in the past. And that we are smarter and more capable now. This is backward thinking. Our technology may be superior in many ways, but we as humans are not. They were able to conceive of and implement architectural marvels that we still can't duplicate, using brain power and man power. How could you assume that they would be unable to look up at the stars and contemplate whether or not there are other life forms out there, and then do the same thing we do and use our imagination to draw and write about the what ifs.

[Gaffin 7.0]

there is no explanation of how to move rock inside pyramids that would take 20 cranes of modern today. perfect cut with a fuckin string ? nah something was going on then wether or not it was other life or not who knows. but its all still questions that boggle the mind.

these people worshipped their star gods, megalific sculptures that we cant duplicate in the time frames even in our modern time. believe what you want. ive put a few years into researching this shit and its interesting.

[Glenzig]

there is no explanation of how to move rock inside pyramids that would take 20 cranes of modern today. perfect cut with a fuckin string ? nah something was going on then wether or not it was other life or not who knows. but its all still questions that boggle the mind.

these people worshipped their star gods, megalific sculptures that we cant duplicate in the time frames even in our modern time. believe what you want. ive put a few years into researching this shit and its interesting.

Yeah. Except they had a lot of equipment back then that people assume they didn't have. Like cranes, and hydraulic saws. You don't really hear about that stuff because it doesn't fit the knuckle dragged perception that current human rulership wants us to buy into. If we knew all the facts that have been discovered about those "primitive" civilizations, we wouldn't hold our current culture on such a high pedestal. I've done a lot of research on this stuff too.

[Gaffin 7.0]

I agree to what you say, but honestly, nothing has been left behind for evidence, they have found very little tools in doing all this work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTgxGJfXRQ0

this is the best doc i ever found on legit ways it could have all been done. its long but worth it if you have the time.

[Glenzig]

I agree to what you say, but honestly, nothing has been left behind for evidence, they have found very little tools in doing all this work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTgxGJfXRQ0

this is the best doc i ever found on legit ways it could have all been done. its long but worth it if you have the time.

The only problem is that if you're going to go with that logic, then there would have to be strong evidence for the presence of aliens that built said structures. There isn't any.

[Lojik]

Who knows what knowledge was lost with the library at Alexandria.

[Azure]

There was a Hindu university that released an animated short film... about 5-10 minutes long about the end of ages and the cycle of life and death and the transhuman aspect of our current age. About how this was represented on a global scale. And the end of civilizations. It went into detail about the birth and death of civilization as pictured and prophesied in the Bhagavad Gita. I wish I could find it. I just spent about 2 hours searching for it. To no avail =/

Needless to say it was so relevant to the above discussion! Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[BigHurb]

A simple thought exercise.

If space and time are infinite

and we exist, therefore the probability that we exist is > 0

It only stands to reason then, there is other "life"

[Sidelle]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2690771/space-balls-alien-dance-o.gif

Lol! <3 Spaceballs

Soooo a figurine of an eskimo-looking thing and a deep sea diver?

Is it likely there is life on other planets? Sure. It's statistically probable that there is liquid water on other planets that host at least some sort of microorganism. Intelligent life? Maybe. Intelligent life that's capable of intergalactic space travel but incapable of formally revealing themselves? C'mon now..

As much as I'd like to believe, do you honestly think that some carving from 1000 BC is evidence of extraterrestrial life? We're not talking about a group of cavemen here, after all. The Mayans were extremely advanced for their time to have developed their own writing system, with which they recorded their own history, religion, astronomy and advanced mathematics. Is it that far a leap to think that they fantasized about the same questions of life beyond Earth as we do today?

I suppose when our civilization finally collapses, a few thousand years later they'll find these posts on elf sim forums backed up on some old server and the cycle will continue.

I pretty much agree with you. I just think it's fun to believe in the possibility there are advanced beings out there somewhere. The ancient carvings and drawings of "spacemen" simply make things more interesting because they can't be easily explained away, imo - and they really do look like astronauts. I just hope that if they are out there they will show themselves before I'm dead and satisfy my curiosity.

But anyway, if they do exist, more than likely they would avoid us like the plague. Either that or they would annihilate us because our planet truly has an overabundance of stupid assholes.

how do you explain the pyramids in egypt. only has been one debunk that could be possible but i still dont believe it. ever seen inside that motherfucker? no way you can do that with their tools they had or the numbers of people.

how do you explain puma punku? 10 ton stones cut completely perfect like not even our modern day saws can do with diamond blades. stacked on top of each other. 90 degree angles with perfect smooth cuts.


http://i60.tinypic.com/331geb5.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/2n1ur87.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/9unqes.jpg

Yeah, this kind of stuff very interesting, indeed. It keeps me hoping that we aren't alone.

[Nocte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ

It's 3 hours long, but I think the first section is about Puma Punku, and goes on for only 10 minutes or so. Essentially, this is a debunk of 'Ancient Aliens,' and details how humans were able to build such impressive structures using the technology they had at the time. No aliens, just innovation.

[Rellapse40]

I worded this poll incorrect, I meant to say, Do you think Aliens have visited the earth? I did just watch a movie about abduction after all.

To all the three people who voted no you're retarded.

There are billions of planets that could sustain life just in our galaxy. To think we are the only intelligent life in the universe is absurd.

[Vetiver]

Cats are alien to me. Shit I have no idea what's going on in a squirrel's mind, and I have absolutely no clue how dolphins survive.

I believe that if Aliens exist, they are in a different dimension than us. I believe that if they exist, they are far beyond the basic human condition, and applying human ideals and motifs shows we're trying too hard to find something to believe in.

Think about it. Trans-humanism, when it occurs will allow us to upload our consciousness through advanced technology and shoot around the universe to inhabit superman surrogates. The question is, when this happens, how does our physical body drive us to reproduce? We'd have no hormones to drive us to do so? Alas, at this point we'd be immortal in mind and spirit, and I believe that's what happened to all the Myans and ancient civilizations. They transcended and some of them failed to hop on board, or were subjugated to continue the human race in case the transcended beings failed on their journey to interstellar space exploration.

Or, the transcended ancient trans-humans are still exploring and it's taken them thousands of years to locate and inhabit other planets and universes?

Anyone say Eugenics?

[Bardalicious]

But anyway, if they do exist, more than likely they would avoid us like the plague. Either that or they would annihilate us because our planet truly has an overabundance of stupid assholes.

Well, that part I can agree on. For as advanced as our technology has become, we're still infantile as a species. We truly are a virus to this planet.

[Rellapse40]

We truly are a virus to this planet.

Not everyone

[Hailto]

Well, that part I can agree on. For as advanced as our technology has become, we're still infantile as a species. We truly are a virus to this planet.

So edgy, did you just finish watching The Matrix?

[Bardalicious]

So edgy, did you just finish watching The Matrix?

Edgy? It's called intelligent observation. Are you really so daft that you'd discredit it because of some silly movie using the same premise?

Most species are capable of living in balance with their ecosystem. Are you saying that we as a species do as well? Since you didn't actually offer any sort of rebuttal, I eagerly await your opinion.

[Ahldagor]

[on the possibility of contact with an alien civilization] I think it would be a disaster. The extraterrestrials would probably be far in advance of us. The history of advanced races meeting more primitive people on this planet is not very happy, and they were the same species. I think we should keep our heads low.
-Hawking
(^agreed)


for the building of great structures:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7q20VzwVs

we're pretty dang clever apes

[Hailto]

Edgy? It's called intelligent observation. Are you really so daft that you'd discredit it because of some silly movie using the same premise?

Most species are capable of living in balance with their ecosystem. Are you saying that we as a species do as well? Since you didn't actually offer any sort of rebuttal, I eagerly await your opinion.

Human's do not always live in perfect balance with the ecosystem, I don't disagree with you. However, I think calling the most advanced species on our planet a virus is an exaggeration and an attempt at being edgy, at the very least it makes you sound pretty ignorant. Humans are also the only species that have willfully saved other species from extinction. If your honest opinion of humanity is that we are nothing more than I feel sorry for you.

[Hailto]

If your honest opinion of humanity is that we are nothing more than I feel sorry for you.

If your honest opinion of humanity is that we are nothing more than a virus I feel sorry for you*

wtb rnf edits

[Shannacore]

x-files is one of my favorite tv series ever

[Lojik]

Human's do not always live in perfect balance with the ecosystem, I don't disagree with you. However, I think calling the most advanced species on our planet a virus is an exaggeration and an attempt at being edgy, at the very least it makes you sound pretty ignorant. Humans are also the only species that have willfully saved other species from extinction. If your honest opinion of humanity is that we are nothing more than I feel sorry for you.

What classifies us as most advanced?

[Ahldagor]

x-files is one of my favorite tv series ever

the later seasons of it just got wonky though.

[radditsu]

If you had all day to think about how tobdo something for your entire life. You too could figure out ways to do what seems impossible to others.

Thinking aliens built or listening to this ancient alien bullshit cheapens humanity and what we can do.

Believing in the human capacity for ingenuity does not preclude the existence of life in other worlds.

You should look at these things and say "We can DO THAT!" We can do BETTER too.


Shove your alien shit up your ass.

[Hailto]

What classifies us as most advanced?

Can't even field that as a serious question.

[Bardalicious]

Humans are also the only species that have willfully saved other species from extinction.

And how many have we hunted and harvested to extinction or near extinction? How many have resulted of deforestation and urbanization? Pollution?

The "we can do no wrong" entitled attitude that you display in your opinion is part of the problem. Which is the same arrogant attitude that causes people to believe we're so much better today than civilizations in the past that it's more likely they were visited by aliens than merit them with intellectual prowess when we uncover things we don't fully understand.

[Hailto]

And how many have we hunted and harvested to extinction or near extinction? How many have resulted of deforestation and urbanization? Pollution?

The "we can do no wrong" entitled attitude that you display in your opinion is part of the problem. Which is the same arrogant attitude that causes people to believe we're so much better today than civilizations in the past that it's more likely they were visited by aliens than merit them with intellectual prowess when we uncover things we don't fully understand.

I never said that humans are prefect and we have not negatively impacted our planet in some ways. I'm simply pointing out that to take the whole of humanity and classify it as a virus, given our technological development, our capacity for empathy and logical thought makes you sound like an angsty teenager.

[Ahldagor]

And how many have we hunted and harvested to extinction or near extinction? How many have resulted of deforestation and urbanization? Pollution?

The "we can do no wrong" entitled attitude that you display in your opinion is part of the problem. Which is the same arrogant attitude that causes people to believe we're so much better today than civilizations in the past that it's more likely they were visited by aliens than merit them with intellectual prowess when we uncover things we don't fully understand.
=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC2M6Yz6Ld4

[BigHurb]

A simple thought exercise.

If space and time are infinite

and we exist, therefore the probability that we exist is > 0

It only stands to reason then, there is other "life"

also one man figured out how to build stone henge using pivots and leverage, google it

[Bardalicious]

So what you're getting at is you have an opinion that differs from mine and you wanted to let me know?

Got it! :cool:

[Lojik]

Can't even field that as a serious question.

Why not? I never implied that I disagree with you, but if you're going to put forth statements as fact at least give some definition. Is it our individual intelligence? How do we measure that accurately throughout species without bias. There could certainly be intelligence in other species that we lack, look at how animals react when storms approach.

It certainly can't be based on longevity as we've not been around nearly as long as a lot of species, and I don't think it can be based on expected longevity either, as cockroaches will probably outlast us. If we wipe ourselves off the earth in the next 1000 years, will we still be regarded as the most advanced species from this planet?

[Hailto]

Why not? I never implied that I disagree with you, but if you're going to put forth statements as fact at least give some definition. Is it our individual intelligence? How do we measure that accurately throughout species without bias. There could certainly be intelligence in other species that we lack, look at how animals react when storms approach.

It certainly can't be based on longevity as we've not been around nearly as long as a lot of species, and I don't think it can be based on expected longevity either, as cockroaches will probably outlast us. If we wipe ourselves off the earth in the next 1000 years, will we still be regarded as the most advanced species from this planet?

The fact that we are firmly at the top of the food chain is evidence enough.

[Hailto]

There could certainly be intelligence in other species that we lack, look at how animals react when storms approach.

This is a good point, there are certainly different types of intelligence that humans do not have. We can't innately sense a storm you're right. However our intelligence in other areas makes up for that. Going with your storm example, no we can't innately sense when a storm is coming hours in advance like some insects can, however we can build doppler radar that can map a storm hundreds of miles away.

[heartbrand]

Lot of dumb in this thread.

[Hailto]

If we wipe ourselves off the earth in the next 1000 years, will we still be regarded as the most advanced species from this planet?

No, I don't think so. Mainly because humans are the only species capable of the depth of thought that allows us to even question the intelligence of other species, which says something in and of itself.

Sorry for triple post lol.

[Hailto]

Did you get griefed off red heartbrand, or did you RMT off?

[Ahldagor]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/MARS+ATTACKS_9b3042_4147739.png

[Barnes]

Yes there are aliens visiting earth. Just google "Sirius disclosure" or "the disclosure project" don't believe the brain wash box.

[Champion_Standing]

Dolphins and whales are more intelligent than most people in this thread.

[Archalen]

Have trouble finding intelligent life in rnf let alone other planets

[myriverse]

Yes there are aliens visiting earth. Just google "Sirius disclosure" or "the disclosure project" don't believe the brain wash box.
You probably think that Blair Witch thing was real too.

[Barnes]

Dolphins and whales are more intelligent than most people in this thread.

Comments like this don't add to the discussion, only add negativity. I think there is enough of that in the world already bud.

[Champion_Standing]

Comments like this don't add to the discussion, only add negativity. I think there is enough of that in the world already bud.

Stop trolling

[Azure]

thread blew up after i took a short break from watching it... is this proof of quantum? I look away for one minute and a whole universe of butthurt back and forth develops... amazing.

A good book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28novel%29 describes how advanced and less advanced civilization can co-exist... so if we had ancestors who took to the stars/solar system/ascended transhumanly than that book is a fine example of how - highly technological beings could exist relatively anonymously and invisibly amongst us. Think of how vast and big the mantle of the earth is alone... forget everything else. We might just be the descendents of the last version of Amish and for whatever reason not even be allowed to know the true depth and breadth of our species.

The biggest argument... we are spiritually undeveloped.

[KagaKawaiitob]

I just want aliens to land so we can definitively see the beginning of the end of Abrahamac religions.

[Shannacore]

the later seasons of it just got wonky though.

If by 'wonky' you mean 'awful' - then yeah!

Naez and I are going through the entire series now. Almost done with season one.

[Rellapse40]

I worded this poll incorrect, I meant to say, Do you think Aliens have visited the earth? I did just watch a movie about abduction after all.

To all the three people who voted no you're retarded.

There are billions of planets that could sustain life just in our galaxy. To think we are the only intelligent life in the universe is absurd.

[Glenzig]

I just want aliens to land so we can definitively see the beginning of the end of Abrahamac religions.

It won't take aliens landing for that to happen. Ending religion has been on the U.N.'s radar for as long as they have been around.

[KagaKawaiitob]

It won't take aliens landing for that to happen. Ending religion has been on the U.N.'s radar for as long as they have been around.

The U.N. is a joke.

[Glenzig]

The U.N. is a joke.

Nope. They are the most powerful entity on earth at the moment. You should read up on these things.

[KagaKawaiitob]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SimecH_Je1U/T9ZhTC30aXI/AAAAAAAAAHM/duLco99dwgs/s1600/Double+Q+Facepalm.jpg

[Barnes]

Stop trolling

Ditto

[Ahldagor]

If by 'wonky' you mean 'awful' - then yeah!

Naez and I are going through the entire series now. Almost done with season one.

nice. netflix?

[Ahldagor]

I just want aliens to land so we can definitively see the beginning of the end of Abrahamac religions.

you do realize that the platonization of christianity ensured their continuance? not to mention that over half the planet ascribes themselves to an abrahamic religion.

[Glenzig]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SimecH_Je1U/T9ZhTC30aXI/AAAAAAAAAHM/duLco99dwgs/s1600/Double+Q+Facepalm.jpg

Hah. I like that one.

[KagaKawaiitob]

you do realize that the platonization of christianity ensured their continuance?
That was then, this is now. Nonbelievers are no longer being burned at the steak for 'witchcraft' or 'heresy' or whatever other excuses the religious leaders had for eliminating people who didn't believe in their sky daddy. There's a reason the few groups who still do are publicly ousted as extremists and terrorists.

not to mention that over half the planet ascribes themselves to an abrahamic religion.
Does more people being wrong make them any less wrong? I don't understand the point of bringing it up.

[Ahldagor]

That was then, this is now. Nonbelievers are no longer being burned at the steak for 'witchcraft' or 'heresy' or whatever other excuses the religious leaders had for eliminating people who didn't believe in their sky daddy. There's a reason the few groups who still do are publicly ousted as extremists and terrorists.


so. cry harder pedo-martyr

Does more people being wrong make them any less wrong? I don't understand the point of bringing it up.

it's not a question of right or wrong but what people are willing or able to do.

[mtb tripper]

half the planet ascribes themselves to an abrahamic religion.

[KagaKawaiitob]

so. cry harder pedo-martyr.
I'll take that as a concession. :)

it's not a question of right or wrong but what people are willing or able to do.
With a species that's able to traverse the galaxy around it'd be amusing to see people try.

[Azure]

I'm out in the real world and the Christian folk around here are treating me well. This is something I didn't expect growing up in mormon vill. I'm an entirely alien creature to many of them.

[Nisse]

I'm really smart and I can't figure out how ancient civilizations did stuff, therefore aliens.

[holsteinrx7]

didint read. of course aliens exist, dumbass. you think we're the only ones out there in all of the universe/universes?

wheres my bush/towers poll option?

[holsteinrx7]

http://i.imgur.com/dlV7Zwp.jpg

Ancient Mayan carved figurines. These are pretty cool. There is a lot of info on the internet of what seems like legit evidence of aliens such as more carvings and old cave drawings, etc..

The second pic shows a carving on a 12th century cathedral.

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/astro5.jpg

The truth is out there. I want to believe. :D


calling bullshit on the second pic. as someone who's researched aliens for a decade, i have never seen this and dont believe it.

[Sidelle]

calling bullshit on the second pic. as someone who's researched aliens for a decade, i have never seen this and dont believe it.

Yeah, I found out it was bullshit after I posted it. You must have missed my post with the sheepish apology. :)

[Sidelle]

calling bullshit on the second pic. as someone who's researched aliens for a decade, i have never seen this and dont believe it.

I still think the first pic, with the ancient Mayan carvings, is pretty interesting and worthy of mentioning in this thread.

[Vetiver]

The upper left pic looks legit, and to me it looks like a pharaoh or some important individual who has beem wrapped in their mummy outfit, with what looks like a sun or halo or something around the head. The other two pics look like fakes, or false simulacrums of ancient carvings. Who knows though, maybe the ancients were super weird and just carved funky stuff for fun, like how the Japanese make very very strange porn with crazy shit, but they blur out the genitals, like that makes any sense?

[holsteinrx7]

im gonna go out on a limb here and say that people dont create things that dont or cant exist.

if you, a part of the consciousness of the universe, can imagine aliens to the point where there are hollywood series about it, then why not? its known that there's water on mars and probably oceans at some point. there's also tons of cultural and historical evidence about genetic manipulation to create hybrids and strange creatures, as well as stories of possible interdimensional and space travel reaching back to sumeria, india, egypt, and in the americas.

you dont have to look to far into history to find some whacked out shit. like alexander the great or christopher columbus running into altantian advanced civilzations in the form of ufos.

the bible, and other cultural historical documents are full of crazy ass shit. also, the mathematical probability of life existing and forming itself exceeds the number of estimated atoms in the universe. if one planet can overcome such odds, i find it more likely that its a universal phenominal with governing principals.

[myriverse]

I still think the first pic, with the ancient Mayan carvings, is pretty interesting and worthy of mentioning in this thread.
My problem is that neither of the pictures in that first pic look at all space or alien-oriented. Sure, if you really, really want them to be astronauts, you can imagine them to be, but they really just look like humans with headdresses/masks. Same can be said of any picture of King Arthur. Heck, going back just a couple hundred years ago, we didn't even have the concept of needing helmets for space.

But that's the problem with these sorts of theorists-- they've got too much imagination for their own good.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Artists are prone to displays of imagination that should never be taken as real. No being was ever walking around with animal heads like Egyptian gods. There wasn't and isn't an elephant-headed Ganesh or multi-armed Shiva. No dragons or unicorns or mermaids or fairies, either.

[Azure]

http://www.pyramidcode.com/

[Sidelle]

My problem is that neither of the pictures in that first pic look at all space or alien-oriented. Sure, if you really, really want them to be astronauts, you can imagine them to be, but they really just look like humans with headdresses/masks. Same can be said of any picture of King Arthur. Heck, going back just a couple hundred years ago, we didn't even have the concept of needing helmets for space.

But that's the problem with these sorts of theorists-- they've got too much imagination for their own good.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Artists are prone to displays of imagination that should never be taken as real. No being was ever walking around with animal heads like Egyptian gods. There wasn't and isn't an elephant-headed Ganesh or multi-armed Shiva. No dragons or unicorns or mermaids or fairies, either.

I know what you mean. Since there is no absolute proof of the existence of these type of beings, all that remains is individual perception, and obviously people never agree with each other when discussing aliens, gods, or mythical creatures like what you mentioned. With no hard facts to back these things up all we have is maybe something to discuss and disagree with each other over.

I'm not sure what I believe at this point, but it is fun for me to speculate about it. I've always been kind of the imaginative daydreamer type that always thinks anything is possible.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Sometimes a cigar is really a blunt masquerading as a cigar.

Lol :D

[Orruar]

im gonna go out on a limb here and say that people dont create things that dont or cant exist.

Did you really just say this while posting on an elf/dragon simulator forum?

http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2009/12/Santa-In-Sleigh.jpg


http://thomasdietz.com/assets/images/satan5ec.png


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/83062/1539974-zeus_greek_mythology_687267_1024_768.jpg


http://addyosmani.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/unicorn.jpg

[Bardalicious]

if you, a part of the consciousness of the universe, can imagine aliens to the point where there are hollywood series about it, then why not? its known that there's water on mars and probably oceans at some point. there's also tons of cultural and historical evidence about genetic manipulation to create hybrids and strange creatures, as well as stories of possible interdimensional and space travel reaching back to sumeria, india, egypt, and in the americas.

So wait, your actual argument in this paragraph is that if we can imagine something and make movies about it, it exists? That's quite the fantasy you've concocted.

[Archalen]

I said no in the poll but that's not a definite answer. Would need a definition of "aliens" to discuss further.

[Bardalicious]

Relevant clip about holsteinrx7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUXcd0nwi4

[myriverse]

I'm not sure what I believe at this point, but it is fun for me to speculate about it. I've always been kind of the imaginative daydreamer type that always thinks anything is possible.
No question it's fun to imagine stuff and dream. However, sadly, "anything" really is not possible. Dreaming is just what you do to temporarily unburden yourself from the starkness of reality.

[moklianne]

I've personally (along with about 10 other people at the time) seen the black triangle UFO float slowly right over my head with no sound at all, so something is definitely going on. This could have been government tech though. I don't discount that our government could be literally at least 25 years ahead of what they lead on about and the majority of UFO's seen are actually terrestrial craft. There's no need to show your best hand to the world when they are all so much further behind you.

I do however believe alien civilizations exist and have at least been monitoring us. Some may be mostly benevolent (grays) while others not (reptilians).

Or perhaps some do occasional experiments in the same fashion a wildlife scientist would: tranq, test, tag, and release an animal. Its all about the scale you look at. After all, if they do exist, we are definitely not the top of the food chain anymore.

[Bardalicious]

I've personally (along with about 10 other people at the time) seen the black triangle UFO float slowly right over my head with no sound at all, so something is definitely going on. This could have been government tech though. I don't discount that our government could be literally at least 25 years ahead of what they lead on about and the majority of UFO's seen are actually terrestrial craft. There's no need to show your best hand to the world when they are all so much further behind you.

I do however believe alien civilizations exist and have at least been monitoring us. Some may be mostly benevolent (grays) while others not (reptilians).

Or perhaps some do occasional experiments in the same fashion a wildlife scientist would: tranq, test, tag, and release an animal. Its all about the scale you look at. After all, if they do exist, we are definitely not the top of the food chain anymore.

How is it you postulate that an alien civilization has managed to travel the vast distances required to reach us? If they were capable of such technology, the next question would be: why come here? Resources? Doubtful, there would certainly be a million other planets between us and them that they could take advantage of.

As for UFO sightings, I'm more than skeptical. We seem perpetually fascinated with over-fantasizing about anything that breaks the normality of our current existence, which includes religion, aliens, and end-of-world scenarios. It's easier to fantasize about such things than to cope with the reality that we are in fact, for our own sake is concerned, all alone here.

[Shannacore]

nice. netflix?

I own them all on DVD, lol~

[Azure]

Mathmatically proven that you can run a simulation wthin a simulation and that we could be a simulation within a simulation and that the matrix could be real...

relevant XKCD

http://i.imgur.com/2O4TmAH.png (http://imgur.com/2O4TmAH)

Morpheus: Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

Honestly... I've come close with lucid dreaming... taste, smell, touch, sound, vibration... shit most people don't normally get in dreams.

[Morpheus]

I imagine that right now, you're feeling a bit like Alice. Hmm? Tumbling down the rabbit hole?

[Bardalicious]

Mathmatically proven that you can run a simulation wthin a simulation and that we could be a simulation within a simulation and that the matrix could be real...

Black holes are bad memory sectors in the hardware that runs our simulation. :cool:

On that note, though, we know we're coming closer and closer to creating lifelike simulations. And at a certain point, it would be near or entirely impossible to distinguish between our actual existence and an ultra-realistic simulation.

With that knowledge, I find it further unlikely that an otherworldly species that was advanced enough to reach Earth would actually care to do so for any sort of research purposes. Surely they'd have the technology available to create and study lifelike simulations of other planets without having to waste the resources and time going there themselves.

[Azure]

Black holes are bad memory sectors in the hardware that runs our simulation. :cool:

On that note, though, we know we're coming closer and closer to creating lifelike simulations. And at a certain point, it would be near or entirely impossible to distinguish between our actual existence and an ultra-realistic simulation.

With that knowledge, I find it further unlikely that an otherworldly species that was advanced enough to reach Earth would actually care to do so for any sort of research purposes. Surely they'd have the technology available to create and study lifelike simulations of other planets without having to waste the resources and time going there themselves.

:cool:

Yeah lol... not to mention how does conciousness/perception change when unbound by normal physical reality and only by the bounds of said simulation?

The limitations on our perception/senses are creepy that way.

[Azure]

Though not sure about black holes myself, I'm up in the air on them being anomalous or destructive/entropic to information. I've read some articles/papers that kind of argue otherwise.

[Bardalicious]

:cool:

Yeah lol... not to mention how does conciousness/perception change when unbound by normal physical reality and only by the bounds of said simulation?

The limitations on our perception/senses are creepy that way.

The theory of special relativity and our limitations on faster-than-light travel is simply a limitation on the hardware we are simulated on. Such as moving a large file from one part of your hard drive to another, there is a limit to the speed in which we can be transferred.

/tinfoilhat

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

They absolutely exist. More cross over the southern border of the US everyday.

[Sweetbaby Jesus]

Also Lron is a tranny. That is all.

[moklianne]

How is it you postulate that an alien civilization has managed to travel the vast distances required to reach us? If they were capable of such technology, the next question would be: why come here? Resources? Doubtful, there would certainly be a million other planets between us and them that they could take advantage of.

As for UFO sightings, I'm more than skeptical. We seem perpetually fascinated with over-fantasizing about anything that breaks the normality of our current existence, which includes religion, aliens, and end-of-world scenarios. It's easier to fantasize about such things than to cope with the reality that we are in fact, for our own sake is concerned, all alone here.

I personally don't believe that the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit. There are theories that claim that the vacuum of space is not empty and that dark energy is inhibiting the movement of light/matter through it. Ideas like warp drives can exist using our current laws of physics, the power is just restrictive at this point in time. Why is it so difficult to believe that our science cannot currently explain all facets of the universe yet?

Why do we search for life in the universe? Even microbial? Why is it so difficult to believe that other species can't have a thirst for all knowledge or a curiosity like we have? Or perhaps we are a delicacy, no different than some of the expensive tasty things that we enjoy. You won't know until you meet them and ask them.

UFO's do exist. Much of which occurs naturally (lights in the skies, etc). What you are referring to is alien craft. There is no way to verify whether a UFO is an alien craft unless it lands and aliens pop out and greet you. Its good to be skeptical, its another thing to be closed minded.

[Azure]

Saw an article that compared aliens and their different varieties to different groups interacting with whales...

Some hunt, some observe from a distance, some catch and tag, some train, some swim with them for only a few minutes, some feed, some try to teach tricks etc...

Appearently several groups of aliens are supposed to be visiting us and they all do this whale watch/eat/thing to us. Most don't want to have anything to do with us. There's some that think they can turn whales into something more than whales... like the navy training dolphins.

TBH wouldn't be surprised if this was true. The aliens u want to be with are the ones that sit and listen but don't tell you how to live/what to do.

[moklianne]

I've always felt that if they do exist, there's nothing stopping aliens from acting like us on personal levels. I'm sure there are those that see us as vermin or dinner (if we are tasty), just like I am sure there are those that are trying to save us, just like how we try to save, reintroduce, study, etc wildlife on this planet. There can be many groups of aliens with these types of opposing goals or stance on the matter of humans, even within the same species of alien.

[BigHurb]

Also Lron is a tranny. That is all.

i feel accomplished knowing this is the sentiment here

[Rellapse40]

u can thank me

[Bardalicious]

I personally don't believe that the speed of light is the ultimate speed limit. There are theories that claim that the vacuum of space is not empty and that dark energy is inhibiting the movement of light/matter through it. Ideas like warp drives can exist using our current laws of physics, the power is just restrictive at this point in time. Why is it so difficult to believe that our science cannot currently explain all facets of the universe yet?

Why do we search for life in the universe? Even microbial? Why is it so difficult to believe that other species can't have a thirst for all knowledge or a curiosity like we have? Or perhaps we are a delicacy, no different than some of the expensive tasty things that we enjoy. You won't know until you meet them and ask them.

UFO's do exist. Much of which occurs naturally (lights in the skies, etc). What you are referring to is alien craft. There is no way to verify whether a UFO is an alien craft unless it lands and aliens pop out and greet you. Its good to be skeptical, its another thing to be closed minded.

I never made the statement that science currently explains all facets of the universe. If anything, I've stated the opposite. Being skeptical through logical thought is not the same as being close-minded. I concur that deep-space travel is entirely within the realm of possibility.

However, I disagree that if an advanced species were capable of such a thing, they'd be using it to travel to Earth for any reasons that seem logical. And further, to do so without formally revealing themselves is a rather whimsical notion.

Further, we have groups tasked with monitoring for extraterrestrial communication, such as SETI. We're capable of mapping dark energy via cosmic microwave background radiation levels, capable of seeing beyond the scope of our own galaxy, but yet incapable of providing any definitive proof that we're being visited by life from another planet?

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

[Toodles]

it seems completely unfeasible to me that in the infinity(?) that is outer space, there are no lifeforms that do not call earth home. that being said, whether or not humans would consider them to be "lifeforms" is debatable, as well as whether we would perceive their form of being as "life"

This is an example of desperation false logic. The idea that they must exist, without any probability model, means it's born out of desire rather than a scientific proof or theory.

In short, "it seems completely unfeasible to me" is not evidence.

What we do know, is that Earth is a singular unique planet with no others like it in all the documented star systems. That's pretty compelling data to suggest that we are alone.

More important, if aliens do exist, how come they keep crashing into the planet? Why can't they just land?

[Ahldagor]

I'll take that as a concession. :)

of course you would because the reality of the situation is still the reality

With a species that's able to traverse the galaxy around it'd be amusing to see people try.

it'd take an incredible amount of energy in order to move a galaxy around. i'm not so sure a species could create such a device due to the amount of resources that would be needed

[Toodles]

The other question is, why do people assume another species is more intelligent?
Given that there's no proof of contact or communication, wouldn't that then suggest that if there were a species out there, that they are less developed than we are?

[Ahldagor]

The other question is, why do people assume another species is more intelligent?
Given that there's no proof of contact or communication, wouldn't that then suggest that if there were a species out there, that they are less developed than we are?

funnier still is that no one brings up that we've found aliens. there's fossils of bacteria in a certain martian meteor

[Toodles]

funnier still is that no one brings up that we've found aliens. there's fossils of bacteria in a certain martian meteor

That's not we're really talking about though - and of course bacteria isn't flying any ships..

Let's go ahead and assume there is 'life' in the form of bacteria elsewhere in our solar system - documented fact.

So what? It means nothing.

[Toodles]

What makes you assume we are intelligent enough to intercept and understand their forms of communication?

Because if they were so intelligent,they'd find a way to make theirs work with ours.
Similar to that magical technology they have that somehow interfaces with our primitive systems, like plug and play alien usb sticks....

[Ahldagor]

Because if they were so intelligent,they'd find a way to make theirs work with ours.
Similar to that magical technology they have that somehow interfaces with our primitive systems, like plug and play alien usb sticks....

that's assuming they've desire to contact us. so much humans are special in this thread too. i'm with hawking

[Toodles]

that's assuming they've desire to contact us. so much humans are special in this thread too. i'm with hawking


Exactly, assuming. We seem to assume that they are more intelligent, would want to communicate with us (for better or worse), and somehow so far haven't been able to do it, because they keep crashing into our planet.

Which brings me back to my point, if they're so intelligent....

An advanced species that we cannot detect, that knows of us and does nothing but..what? Spy? Plan?

[Azure]

http://i.imgur.com/lVxuTkP.jpg

[myriverse]

The other question is, why do people assume another species is more intelligent?
Given that there's no proof of contact or communication, wouldn't that then suggest that if there were a species out there, that they are less developed than we are?
Perhaps, or they're so far advanced that their communication system is beyond our EM waves.

[moklianne]

I never made the statement that science currently explains all facets of the universe. If anything, I've stated the opposite. Being skeptical through logical thought is not the same as being close-minded. I concur that deep-space travel is entirely within the realm of possibility.

However, I disagree that if an advanced species were capable of such a thing, they'd be using it to travel to Earth for any reasons that seem logical. And further, to do so without formally revealing themselves is a rather whimsical notion.

Further, we have groups tasked with monitoring for extraterrestrial communication, such as SETI. We're capable of mapping dark energy via cosmic microwave background radiation levels, capable of seeing beyond the scope of our own galaxy, but yet incapable of providing any definitive proof that we're being visited by life from another planet?

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

You don't watch much science fiction do you? Anyone who does already knows the answers to those questions. Or are you just trolling at this point?

[rgostic]

Thread is chock full of people who don't have a clue just how vast space and time are.

It isn't your fault.

Your brain isn't designed to understand scales so big.

[Bardalicious]

You don't watch much science fiction do you? Anyone who does already knows the answers to those questions. Or are you just trolling at this point?

So you're conceding to the fact you're making arguments and forming opinions based on science fiction?

[heartbrand]

Can thread be renamed to "things I read on infowars" ?

[rgostic]

Thread is chock full of people who don't have a clue just how vast space and time are.

It isn't your fault.

Your brain isn't designed to understand scales so big.

[Archalen]

Thread is chock full of people who don't have a clue just how vast space and time are.

It isn't your fault.

Your brain isn't designed to understand scales so big.

Instead of only focusing on the vastness of space, also factor in the vastness of time. They cancel out each other to some degree when it comes to models estimating intelligent life. Really they are the same thing, but I am using the words loosely.

[Archalen]

Drake equation takes a different approach but is also interesting

[Azure]

Bacteria aren't designed to understand the bread and scope of human reality.

yet here we are... and there they are... 100 Trillion Bacteria in a human body...

space is vast, but the universe is fairly interdasting... does not mean it is empty..... and void

[Azure]

fml... *breadth and scope

[r00t]

According to math and science if we doubled the c02 we have now the temperature would raise by 0.36F degrees. I'm not exactly alarmed.

[thugcruncher]

http://coreserver.net/smedy/photos/The%20Casey%20Collection/Believe.jpg

[tarquinn]

Since the beginning of time, whatever that may be, big-bang or whatever doesn't matter, but whatever we judge as the very first millisecond of the universe, all of that time up until right now as you're reading this, at some point in that time-line there had to be a "First" intelligent life.

We're that First intelligent life.

So it could be completely possible that we ARE the only intelligent life however the possibility completely remains that MORE could spawn in another thousand billion whatever years. All of our known human existence dating back hundreds of millions of years that they've dated bones and shit, that amount of time is not a fart in a windstorm compared to how long the universe has been around.

Pass the bong.

[phacemeltar]

Since the beginning of time, whatever that may be, big-bang or whatever doesn't matter, but whatever we judge as the very first millisecond of the universe, all of that time up until right now as you're reading this, at some point in that time-line there had to be a "First" intelligent life.

We're that First intelligent life.

So it could be completely possible that we ARE the only intelligent life however the possibility completely remains that MORE could spawn in another thousand billion whatever years. All of our known human existence dating back hundreds of millions of years that they've dated bones and shit, that amount of time is not a fart in a windstorm compared to how long the universe has been around.

Pass the bong.

yea and the sun revolves around the earth.

[Kekephee]

I think extraterrestrial life exists


And that it's never visited earth and the Mayans and Egyptians just believed in people with elephant heads and cat dicks or whatever because they were weird

[Heebo]

http://i.imgur.com/Is6XcbK.png

[myriverse]

Since the beginning of time, whatever that may be, big-bang or whatever doesn't matter, but whatever we judge as the very first millisecond of the universe, all of that time up until right now as you're reading this, at some point in that time-line there had to be a "First" intelligent life.

We're that First intelligent life.
We're not even the first on Earth, depending on how you define intelligent. Neanderthals were intelligent; not quite as intelligent as us, but plenty intelligent.

Besides, Humans aren't nearly old enough in the grand scheme of things. It's difficult to imagine the universe being around that long without a sapient species. As near as we can tell, the universe had the right stuff for Earth-like planets potentially supporting life for as much as 10 billion years before we arrived. Given how quickly it seems intelligent life can develop, that's an awful lot of wasted time and space.

[Bardalicious]

And that it's never visited earth and the Mayans and Egyptians just believed in people with elephant heads and cat dicks or whatever because they were weird

fucking lol'd cuz true

[Faisca]

What we do know, is that Earth is a singular unique planet with no others like it in all the documented star systems.


Actually, they've already found other planets where life like we know it on earth could exist. What they haven't found is a way to travel there in one's lifetime. :D

The universe is indeed vast in space and in time, but it is also infinitely vast in magnitude. We're talking about bacteria as if they mean nothing, and we could well be bacteria for other beings who could be bacteria themselves for other beings, and so on.

Aliens visiting us could be civilizations with technology to magnify and shrink things rather than technology to travel long distances.

Anyway, word on the street is that the U.S. has struck a deal with one of those advanced alien species. In return for alien technology, the U.S. lets the aliens experiment on farmers in Iowa nobody cares about.

[Iandyan]

Anyway, word on the street is that the U.S. has struck a deal with one of those advanced alien species. In return for alien technology, the U.S. lets the aliens experiment on farmers in Iowa nobody cares about.

I'm ok with this deal.

[Rellapse40]

Anyway, word on the street is that the U.S. has struck a deal with one of those advanced alien species. In return for alien technology, the U.S. lets the aliens experiment on farmers in Iowa nobody cares about.

I have heard this a few times

[formallydickman]

We're not even the first on Earth, depending on how you define intelligent. Neanderthals were intelligent; not quite as intelligent as us, but plenty intelligent.

Agreed.

Homo heidelbergensis likely was intelligent as well (buried their dead, had hafted stone points and hand axes, had specialized hearing and right-handed tendencies which some believe implies complex speech) and they are between 500,000 and 1.5mil years old. Modern Human is definitely not the first intelligent species on the planet :)

An extraterrestrial species has very likely existed as some point before us in the universe and will at some point after us as well, but a space-faring race that has come to earth to abduct and do tests on us? Nah, I can't buy that.

[Vetiver]

We are trying to conceive Aliens as though we can actually understand them in some type of human capacity. I believe the bacteria scenario is most probable most likely if we're applying human logic.

Ever imagine how ants, animals, or any species with a shorter life cycle than humans see things? Do they think about time, or are they ignorant of such concepts? Maybe ants believe that living for 1 day is a lifetime. Just as we might imagine 100 years as a lifetime. Aliens could live for billions of years, and so therefore our existence is trivial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpdEmbNwGk

[Vetiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOGe-NTyuc

Pyramids are spaceships?

[BigHurb]

i eat honey wit a silver spoon
i get fucked b4 noon
but ull never see me leave this room


-- dope rhyme by hurb

[moklianne]

We are trying to conceive Aliens as though we can actually understand them in some type of human capacity. I believe the bacteria scenario is most probable most likely if we're applying human logic.

Ever imagine how ants, animals, or any species with a shorter life cycle than humans see things? Do they think about time, or are they ignorant of such concepts? Maybe ants believe that living for 1 day is a lifetime. Just as we might imagine 100 years as a lifetime. Aliens could live for billions of years, and so therefore our existence is trivial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DpdEmbNwGk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZW8Deq8vE

[moklianne]

Anyway, word on the street is that the U.S. has struck a deal with one of those advanced alien species. In return for alien technology, the U.S. lets the aliens experiment on farmers in Iowa nobody cares about.

I remember reading about that many years ago. I believe it was Truman in 1950 or 52.

[myriverse]

Pyramids are spaceships?
No. They architectural mistakes.

[Rellapse40]

I remember reading about that many years ago. I believe it was Truman in 1950 or 52.

lots of them have been involved i read and could be why kennedy was killed he was about to fuk up the CIA

also read Clinton did not get any insider infoz and was left to just get a blow job

Stories about our government having captured aliens locked up somewhere 2

[moklianne]

also read Clinton did not get any insider infoz and was left to just get a blow job


I read about that as well a long time ago. The fact that he wasn't 'mature enough' or something along those lines to be trusted with the info, while Bush senior knew and had connections since he was head of the CIA for a bit. The government is extremely compartmentalized and even presidents know their place.

[Vetiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZW8Deq8vE

YES!!!!

[Vetiver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXqaUcG0T60

Graham Hancock is pretty cool.

[Ahldagor]

the cycle of repetition of notions in this thread is interesting

[Vetiver]

the cycle of repetition of notions in this thread is interesting

So, which do you agree with, or which idea do you have?

[Ahldagor]

So, which do you agree with, or which idea do you have?

it's called reading. left to right top to bottom.

-Richard

[mtb tripper]

George bush was actually a grey

[Vetiver]

it's called reading. left to right top to bottom.

-Richard

How does this response make any sense? You didn't even answer the question.

Let's try again, what are your ideas?

[Vetiver]

If you don't understand my repetitive constructive addition, then I suppose it's lost in sarcastic translation.

[Ahldagor]

i understand that you haven't seen tommyboy and haven't read the thread

[Vetiver]

i understand that you haven't seen tommyboy and haven't read the thread

Tou·ché sir! :)

[BigHurb]

i think people like you sway the opinion that we are not so smart or great

[Misto]

http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/kepler-22b-aliens.jpg

[Misto]

If we aren't developing technology to send people to distant planets for colonization then we shouldn't be in outerspace at all.

[KagaKawaiitob]

If we aren't developing technology to send people to distant planets for colonization then we shouldn't be in outerspace at all.

This. Human kind is a virus on the body known as the earth, a body we are killing. Humanity needs to get back on track and learn to spread elsewhere before we annihilate ourselves.

[Ahldagor]

This. Human kind is a virus on the body known as the earth, a body we are killing. Humanity needs to get back on track and learn to spread elsewhere before we annihilate ourselves.

fuck your platonics

[KagaKawaiitob]

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[phacemeltar]

This. Human kind is a virus on the body known as the earth, a body we are killing. Humanity needs to get back on track and learn to spread elsewhere before we annihilate ourselves.

im confused. are you saying that it is our responsibility to destroy everything? humans not colonizing is like keeping h1n1 inside of the petri dish.

[Vetiver]

We are vastly more intelligent than millions of life forms that have literally no idea we even exist even when we are right on top of them because we cant communicate with them in any substantial way because of the intelligence and awareness gap.

What makes you think we aren't like the ants of the cosmos when it comes to intelligent life forms, and there are species all around us that we are unaware of and that cant communicate with us because our senses and how we are evolved dont all ow us to?

Neil degrasse tyson disagrees with you.

Why would we want to colonize all these different planets that we know are lethal to life forms when we can just use the technology to better our living conditions and sustain our future of our species on a planet that is specifically ideal because of our evolution here?

im confused. are you saying that it is our responsibility to destroy everything? humans not colonizing is like keeping h1n1 inside of the petri dish.

Lron you're my hero. Seriously. You are very on point here.

[Kekephee]

Submitted for your consideration, something someone on weed once told me that I am in no position to say is true or not because I don't know enough about astronomy, but it's interesting to think about:

The celestial bodies of the universe are slowly drifting further and further apart. The longer we wait to colonize other planet, the less likely we will ever even be able to reach them. Additionally, planets that are currently uninhabitable due to being too close in proximity to their respective stars (eg Venus) will one day be more habitable because they will be farther away (Venus is a bad example because it's a gas planet). Likewise, planets that are currently habitable will eventually be too far away from their suns to continue being so.

Thoughts?

[Kekephee]

Actually no, that's not it, we're not getting further from the stars, it's galaxies that are drifting


I wish we had edit on this board sometimes

[KagaKawaiitob]

^
Lol

[Azure]

Lron made sense in this thread my life is pretty fucking complete now.

[Tarbos]

My 2 cents:

A lot of great inventions were lucky mistakes. One day such a great invention will not be a not-so-lucky mistake and wipe out humanity.

This fate probably awaits every intelligent species. At some point it will annihilate itself, by mistake or not. And chances are, this happens before any major space travel was ever conducted.

[Estolcles]

Yes, Lron is a f2m tranny, and I -KNOW- aliens exist. Texans keep trying to shoot them when they get past the border fence.

[Vetiver]

Submitted for your consideration, something someone on weed once told me that I am in no position to say is true or not because I don't know enough about astronomy, but it's interesting to think about:

The celestial bodies of the universe are slowly drifting further and further apart. The longer we wait to colonize other planet, the less likely we will ever even be able to reach them. Additionally, planets that are currently uninhabitable due to being too close in proximity to their respective stars (eg Venus) will one day be more habitable because they will be farther away (Venus is a bad example because it's a gas planet). Likewise, planets that are currently habitable will eventually be too far away from their suns to continue being so.

Thoughts?

Actually no, that's not it, we're not getting further from the stars, it's galaxies that are drifting


I wish we had edit on this board sometimes

Yes, but this may take... what? 100 billion years? Maybe less, maybe more, we really have absolutely no idea. I think we've confirmed that certain planets in certain galaxies that orbit around multiple stars can become slingshotted into deep space though. Neil Tyson talks about this. He also explains how life as we know it can survive without a star as the only energy, and that earth actually generates energy from it's core still. One last point he made was there it's probably that there are life forms that are unimaginable to us, like the exist completely outside the boundaries of water and oxygen.

Anyway, not sure if that has anything to do with what you're saying but I thought it'd interesting nonetheless. I'm not astrophysicist.

[Vetiver]

Wow, I am so tired. I realize my previous post has way too many errors and a strewed inflection. Fill in the blanks please. ;)

[Bardalicious]

One last point he made was there it's probably that there are life forms that are unimaginable to us, like the exist completely outside the boundaries of water and oxygen.

It's a fairly safe assumption to make that life has evolved to entirely different environments and atmospheres than what we have on Earth. Consider the fact that until recently we had been under the false presumption that all life on this planet was somehow involved in the photosynthetic food chain. However, we found life capable of existing around volcanic underwater vents that live solely on the chemicals emitted from them, such as sulfur.

It's definitely an interesting topic for conversation.

[Vetiver]

Yes and such discoveries do explain why we may be descendents of an ancient Martians, where such lifeforms were able to survive a journey through space, via some form of space-rock from Mar's previous atmosphere. (Where there was apparently water, I've heard).

[Misto]

Neil degrasse tyson disagrees with you.

Why would we want to colonize all these different planets that we know are lethal to life forms when we can just use the technology to better our living conditions and sustain our future of our species on a planet that is specifically ideal because of our evolution here?

There's no other reason to be in outer space, if that's not the case.

[Krycek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-viUcEQcPc

[phacemeltar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-viUcEQcPc

interesting. it would seem likely that the anti-christ would materialize on almost the exact opposite side of the world as the alleged christ once did.

[BigHurb]

two words:

Water Bears.

and

UR WELCOME.

fgts.

[BigHurb]

interesting. it would seem likely that the anti-christ would materialize on almost the exact opposite side of the world as the alleged christ once did.

LOL never heard this, funny!!!

[phacemeltar]

LOL never heard this, funny!!!

oh yes, i would think it to be quite interesting if you are a believer in religion.

im not sure of the exact location (probably KC) but somewhere in the USA is the opposite side of the alleged beginning of all things.
even if you believe we are escaped slaves from a spacecraft or evolved meteor dust.. the location all seems to be the same if you check the lore.

not really sure if there is any meaning behind this, but interesting nonetheless.

[Azure]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRE0o3usEE

[Sidelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vRE0o3usEE

^^That's pretty interesting.. I scrolled down and read some comments which led me to this article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063486/Alien-skull-Peru-Mystery-giant-headed-mummy-city-Andahuaylillas.html) about these alien mummies who's skulls strongly resemble the creature in the youtube video. Wow.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/filecdn.php?f=/fotos/actualidad/171111_cuscomomia/momia1.jpg

Whatever one's beliefs are regarding aliens, this seems to be compelling evidence supporting their existence.

[Rellapse40]

ya dunno why the GovernmentS go to such lengths to cover it up

[Ahldagor]

Submitted for your consideration, something someone on weed once told me that I am in no position to say is true or not because I don't know enough about astronomy, but it's interesting to think about:

The celestial bodies of the universe are slowly drifting further and further apart. The longer we wait to colonize other planet, the less likely we will ever even be able to reach them. Additionally, planets that are currently uninhabitable due to being too close in proximity to their respective stars (eg Venus) will one day be more habitable because they will be farther away (Venus is a bad example because it's a gas planet). Likewise, planets that are currently habitable will eventually be too far away from their suns to continue being so.

Thoughts?

billions of years from now all stars will eventually burn out and there will be no more light. the galaxies are drifting apart according to current measurements and theories concerning dark matter's effects within the universe. venus has an hydrochloric acid atmosphere and is a rocky planet. eventually the moon will not be orbiting earth too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2326869/Is-universe-merely-billions-Evidence-existence-multiverse-revealed-time-cosmic-map.html

[myriverse]

interesting. it would seem likely that the anti-christ would materialize on almost the exact opposite side of the world as the alleged christ once did.
Maybe he's lost. The opposite side of the world from Nazareth would be waaay in the South Pacific.

Whatever one's beliefs are regarding aliens, this seems to be compelling evidence supporting their existence.
Looks human to me, albeit deformed. There are documented medical and ritual causes of these sorts of deformations.

And the guy "in charge" of these skulls is a known paranormal fraud who runs a paranormal tour business (as was Lloyd Pye, who was involved). None of the people have the qualifications to back up any study they've talked about, regarding the skulls (especially the never really disclosed genetic studies).

[radditsu]

^^That's pretty interesting.. I scrolled down and read some comments which led me to this article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063486/Alien-skull-Peru-Mystery-giant-headed-mummy-city-Andahuaylillas.html) about these alien mummies who's skulls strongly resemble the creature in the youtube video. Wow.

http://www.rpp.com.pe/filecdn.php?f=/fotos/actualidad/171111_cuscomomia/momia1.jpg

Whatever one's beliefs are regarding aliens, this seems to be compelling evidence supporting their existence.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation

[KagaKawaiitob]

billions of years from now all stars will eventually burn out and there will be no more light. the galaxies are drifting apart according to current measurements and theories concerning dark matter's effects within the universe. venus has an hydrochloric acid atmosphere and is a rocky planet. eventually the moon will not be orbiting earth too.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2326869/Is-universe-merely-billions-Evidence-existence-multiverse-revealed-time-cosmic-map.html

Trillians*

[whitebandit]

Trillians*

Trillions*

[KagaKawaiitob]

Trillions*

That one

[Sidelle]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation

This doesn't explain the fact that the fontanelles weren't fused, like they would be in a human adult; and this skull had adult molars so it appears to be an adult, even if the body itself is around 20 inches tall (with the head roughly the same size as the body). That would be one horribly afflicted human being, whatever the diagnosis is (assuming it's human).

I get it. These are just little pieces of info that are definitely not enough to really prove anything. I just think it's interesting and definitely worth finding out what the DNA testing would say.

[radditsu]

http://rumorskiller.blog.com/2011/09/28/mexico-alien-baby/


I see this particular bullshit still on television as "proof" to this day.

[Lojik]

proof
http://theflamingnerd.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/gay-aliens.png

[Rellapse40]

Lron are those the bones of your ancestors?

[radditsu]

How are they gay? I do not see a penis one in that picture.

[Azure]

Some are proven to be skull deformation. Some are anomolous (like the mayan crystal skulls) and the "Star Child (http://www.lloydpye.com/starchildskull.htm)" http://www.lloydpye.com/starchildskull.htm

Some skull's cant be explained by deformation.

I'm fairly empathic and I think that the video I linked of the sick alien is fairly real. There's another one that got leaked by private security from a site in Mexico or Mexico city where there's a lone alien being held captive in a room.

I'm not 100% sure they are ETs though. They may be some indigenous species or experiment/mutant.

[Azure]

There's also the anomalous skeletons of red headed giants with 6 fingers and 2 rows of teeth. Found in sites in the western US and I think one other place in the world.

[Azure]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7g7yr_grey-alien-held-captive-comparison_tech

GMO failure's????

[Azure]

Or perhaps pre-historic GMO failures?

Kind of wierd there's no anatomical genitalia - the eyes are pretty fucking convincing for "animatronic" tech.