I wanna be a RnF star too [Archive]

Kinsawt

04-01-2014, 05:27 PM

More proof that no one wants to play with IB.

I actually like this story line of yours. If I recall Daltheb, Baubarian, Supremacy, Daliant, Zeelot, Darkdeath, Olidean, Keg, Heebee and probably another 15 others that 'play' with IB are ex TMO. So, what bullets are you in your gun? Zilo, Catherine and Hammer (all 3 great people by the way, not people we would ever badmouth)?

Are you sure TMO is the cool kids?

getsome

04-01-2014, 05:31 PM

ALSO, im the one who fraps'd the 70 TMO nex wipe. But im not the one who posted it here.

Y'ALL WELCOME.

I prefer this remix.

http://youtu.be/M9qXcSdMjY0

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 05:31 PM

I actually like this story line of yours. If I recall Daltheb, Baubarian, Supremacy, Daliant, Zeelot, Darkdeath, Olidean, Keg, Heebee and probably another 15 others that 'play' with IB are ex TMO. So, what bullets are you in your gun? Zilo, Catherine and Hammer (all 3 great people by the way, not people we would ever badmouth)?

Are you sure TMO is the cool kids?

Sure.. ALL of FE. =) not to mention the other IB who have joined. Also, Daltheb wasn't in TMO and was Baubarian?

Zeelot and DD quit the game and wanted to control the guild without playing(good luck having them play for you)
Plus Daliant quit IB, then joined TMO we found out he RMT'd so he went back to the RMT guild.

Go reload that gun.

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 05:34 PM

TMO sure did when they were trying to merge with us back pre-kunark when they were a tiny little guild that couldnt even break fear or hate without help.

Lol YOU were trying to merge with US. We said no and we weren't changing our guild name.

You ended up merging with what transcendence for like what? a week ish?

Kinsawt

04-01-2014, 05:34 PM

You realize you just agreed with everything I said, except adding a whole guild, that wasn't IB, as the IB members who joined TMO, right?

Pheer

04-01-2014, 05:38 PM

Lol YOU were trying to merge with US. We said no and we weren't changing our guild name.

You ended up merging with what transcendence for like what? a week ish?

Last time I posted this you said i was a liar and there had never been any discussion of a merge between IB and early TMO

alarti confirmed embarassed and a liar

also very rustled

captain

04-01-2014, 05:38 PM

Sure.. ALL of FE. =) not to mention the other IB who have joined. Also, Daltheb wasn't in TMO and was Baubarian?

Zeelot and DD quit the game and wanted to control the guild without playing(good luck having them play for you)
Plus Daliant quit IB, then joined TMO we found out he RMT'd so he went back to the RMT guild.

Go reload that gun.

Please go on about the amazing contribution that Thornymofo(ghoster) and Kinburt(third string paladin) have added to your guild.

Jarnauga

04-01-2014, 05:41 PM

I prefer this remix.

http://youtu.be/M9qXcSdMjY0

Hey i'm in IB man, ffs

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 05:50 PM

You realize you just agreed with everything I said, except adding a whole guild, that wasn't IB, as the IB members who joined TMO, right?

Nah I didn't agree I just chose not to research more IB members who joined.

The point I made was that people do not want to play with IB. Like all of FE when given the choice between IB/TMO with similar joining conditions they chose to join TMO (the enemy) of their raiding partners(IB).

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 05:52 PM

Also, where is supremacy these days? Can anyone log his account on?

Ella`Ella

04-01-2014, 05:52 PM

..so im just gonna leave this here:

http://i.imgur.com/QgXbaJq.png

(Thank you, you)

ALSO, im the one who fraps'd the 70 TMO nex wipe. But im not the one who posted it here.

Y'ALL WELCOME.

I'm not sure what this post is supposed to say?

I think our requests were fairly simple. We'd been raiding with IB before IB "came back" to the server, starting when you guys were only fielding about 3 members at raids. During that time and going forward, FE was doing a majority of the leadership and raid coordination as Getsome had even said early on that he didn't really want responsibility of managing a guild at that time (until Velious). As the relationship between IB and FE progressed, IB began to field more numbers. FE felt that if we were going to merge, we would essentially be one new guild. We didn't want to undermine the leadership structure that was present in either guild so we felt making co-leaders and equal officers was appropriate. Apparently, there was disagreement in that sentiment which led to FE fielding other options. Also, there is a notion flying around that I demanded I be co-leader. In the presence of nearly every FE officer and several members, I also contended that IB could pick at their discretion any 'member' of FE that they felt would best represent a new guild as leader and I would concede the position. We also offered up several candidates and every candidate we mentioned was rejected for one reason or another.

Actually, FE and TMO had discussed a merger about a month before it happened, but such talks were in jest at that point. Also, when it was taken to a vote, very few members actually favored merging 'into' IB and the sentiment was all around very positive when TMO was proposed as an alternative. I see you failed to post snips from our forums where people were quite vocal about dejecting IB as an option.

slappytwotoes

04-01-2014, 05:56 PM

I'm not sure what this post is supposed to say?

I think our requests were fairly simple. We'd been raiding with IB before IB "came back" to the server, starting when you guys were only fielding about 3 members at raids. During that time and going forward, FE was doing a majority of the leadership and raid coordination as Getsome had even said early on that he didn't really want responsibility of managing a guild at that time (until Velious). As the relationship between IB and FE progressed, IB began to field more numbers. FE felt that if we were going to merge, we would essentially be one new guild. We didn't want to undermine the leadership structure that was present in either guild so we felt making co-leaders and equal officers was appropriate. Apparently, there was disagreement in that sentiment which led to FE fielding other options. Also, there is a notion flying around that I demanded I be co-leader. In the presence of nearly every FE officer and several members, I also contended that IB could pick at their discretion any 'member' of FE that they felt would best represent a new guild as leader and I would concede the position. We also offered up several candidates and every candidate we mentioned was rejected for one reason or another.

Actually, FE and TMO had discussed a merger about a month before it happened, but such talks were in jest at that point. Also, when it was taken to a vote, very few members actually favored merging 'into' IB and the sentiment was all around very positive when TMO was proposed as an alternative. I see you failed to post snips from our forums where people were quite vocal about dejecting IB as an option.

tldr; If you can't beat em, join em

Ella`Ella

04-01-2014, 06:03 PM

tldr; If you can't beat em, join em

More like if you can't "join 'em, beat 'em"

radditsu

04-01-2014, 06:06 PM

If you cant beat em. Beat off

Lazie

04-01-2014, 06:06 PM

..so im just gonna leave this here:

http://i.imgur.com/QgXbaJq.png

(Thank you, you)

ALSO, im the one who fraps'd the 70 TMO nex wipe. But im not the one who posted it here.

Y'ALL WELCOME.

Did you fraps your 3 uncontested attempts on Nexona where you guys wiped 3 times without pressure Saturday ? How about the results from your last 6 Nexona attempts where IB has managed to only kill Nexona 1 time in 6 attempts. I mean the fraps is entertaining but do not act like IB doesn't wipe to that dragon with 40+ continuously. heck you guys wiped to PD and SW Saturday because you couldn't pull them solo to Zone in. You guys wiped to Xygoz last week.

It's nice of you to post a video where we messed up and caught an early AE on the dragon... But IB is wiping continously to things that you have to pull to zone in except the easiest dragon to pull in the zone Hoshkar. I mean You guys have killed 2 dragons on the last 9 contested(got 3 uncontested wipes on Nexona before killing it) VP dragons and wiped 6 times. Yet you got handed 6 dragons as if you normally and successfully kill them even when you do pull them successfully. It's hard to call another guild bad when your success rate is that pitiful.

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 06:12 PM

Did you fraps your 3 uncontested attempts on Nexona where you guys wiped 3 times without pressure Saturday ? How about the results from your last 6 Nexona attempts where IB has managed to only kill Nexona 1 time in 6 attempts. I mean the fraps is entertaining but do not act like IB doesn't wipe to that dragon with 40+ continuously. heck you guys wiped to PD and SW Saturday because you couldn't pull them solo to Zone in. You guys wiped to Xygoz last week.

It's nice of you to post a video where we messed up and caught an early AE on the dragon... But IB is wiping continously to things that you have to pull to zone in except the easiest dragon to pull in the zone Hoshkar. I mean You guys have killed 2 dragons on the last 9 contested(got 3 uncontested wipes on Nexona before killing it) VP dragons and wiped 6 times. Yet you got handed 6 dragons as if you normally and successfully kill them even when you do pull them successfully. It's hard to call another guild bad when your success rate is that pitiful.

Wow they wiped to Xygoz? Wish I was there for that one.

Jarnauga

04-01-2014, 06:13 PM

Did you fraps your 3 uncontested attempts on Nexona where you guys wiped 3 times without pressure Saturday ? How about the results from your last 6 Nexona attempts where IB has managed to only kill Nexona 1 time in 6 attempts. I mean the fraps is entertaining but do not act like IB doesn't wipe to that dragon with 40+ continuously. heck you guys wiped to PD and SW Saturday because you couldn't pull them solo to Zone in. You guys wiped to Xygoz last week.

It's nice of you to post a video where we messed up and caught an early AE on the dragon... But IB is wiping continously to things that you have to pull to zone in except the easiest dragon to pull in the zone Hoshkar. I mean You guys have killed 2 dragons on the last 9 contested(got 3 uncontested wipes on Nexona before killing it) VP dragons and wiped 6 times. Yet you got handed 6 dragons as if you normally and successfully kill them even when you do pull them successfully. It's hard to call another guild bad when your success rate is that pitiful.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

Tasslehofp99

04-01-2014, 06:13 PM

Care to explain why our conditions were so unacceptable compared to TMO's ? i really wanna know ! :D

Your conditions were changed numerous times in the days of discussion leading up to the proposed merger. Whoever it was in IB wasn't satisfied with the originally agreed upon terms and decided to re-neg. You guys got too greedy and proud after FE revived your fledgling guild upon it's return to p99 from EQmac, and now the rest is history.

Not sure what all the hard feelings are about right now between IB/FE/TMO, maybe it's because you're all just jealous? Perhaps you should take these issues up with Hokushin/Lilyanna/Getsome as they're most likely the ones to blame for the merger falling through.

Good luck, anyway. I never had any issue with IB except for their raid leader calling everyone fucking retards in vent every 30 seconds. Can't imagine what vent was like for you guys wiping 3x to nexona in a row.

Zapatos

04-01-2014, 06:15 PM

Actually, FE and TMO had discussed a merger about a month before it happened.

There's your problem.

Lazie

04-01-2014, 06:16 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

No one is rustled. IB is trying to rustle but they are pretty weak at it when they post one time that we sucked it up on Nexona... I mean 1 nexona out of 6 attempts...2 dragon kills out of the last 9 competitive dragons....6 wipes. Tell us how great you guys are again. ;)

Lazie

04-01-2014, 06:19 PM

Your conditions were changed numerous times in the days of discussion leading up to the proposed merger. Whoever it was in IB wasn't satisfied with the originally agreed upon terms and decided to re-neg. You guys got too greedy and proud after FE revived your fledgling guild upon it's return to p99 from EQmac, and now the rest is history.

Not sure what all the hard feelings are about right now between IB/FE/TMO, maybe it's because you're all just jealous? Perhaps you should take these issues up with Hokushin/Lilyanna/Getsome as they're most likely the ones to blame for the merger falling through.

Good luck, anyway. I never had any issue with IB except for their raid leader calling everyone fucking retards in vent every 30 seconds. Can't imagine what vent was like for you guys wiping 3x to nexona in a row.

The thing is Getsome had no intentions of working out something fair considering it was FE who helped to get back on their feet. I was actually for the merge until I saw how Getsome was unwilling to negotiate anything in Vent chat. The funny part was he tried to act like we were the unreasonable ones the next day when addressing his guild. It was seeing Getsome's attitude when trying to work out something fair that made people for the merge stop being for it. I don't think most people in IB really know how he fucked that merge up.

Jarnauga

04-01-2014, 06:21 PM

getsome

04-01-2014, 06:24 PM

I never rejected any FE member being a co leader of a combined IB / FE guild.

Mainly because I never considered it.

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 06:27 PM

I never rejected any FE member being a co leader of a combined IB / FE guild.

Mainly because I never considered it.

Comeback when you learn what a zoneline is.

lilyanna

04-01-2014, 06:28 PM

Comeback when you learn what a zoneline is.

Hey alarti we like you ....

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 06:28 PM

we should make a graphic of your VP kills before IB leading and after IB leading. :rolleyes:

Would be a lot larger number of competitive VP kills than IB(0) had at the time.

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 06:28 PM

Hey alarti we like you ....

I've heard nothing but good things about you!

lilyanna

04-01-2014, 06:29 PM

I've heard nothing but good things about you!

To be expected

Hitpoint

04-01-2014, 06:31 PM

we should make a graphic of your VP kills before IB leading and after IB leading. :rolleyes:

FE lead while VP was still non csr and IB took over after that. Definitely cannot make any meaningful comparison of the two. I thought both FE and IB did very well respectively.

Lazie

04-01-2014, 06:33 PM

I never rejected any FE member being a co leader of a combined IB / FE guild.

Mainly because I never considered it.

Exactly. Your attitude not to negotiate and be fair and your attitude when trying to work out something fair was the reason a lot of people behind the merge stopped being behind it. It is your choice either way how you went about it. However, your guild and members may be willing to put up with a leader like that but the majority of people do not respond well to a dictator who thinks they are in control and can force a decision by being stuborn when they aren't and can't.

Jarnauga

04-01-2014, 06:38 PM

Exactly. Your attitude not to negotiate and be fair and your attitude when trying to work out something fair was the reason a lot of people behind the merge stopped being behind it. It is your choice either way how you went about it. However, your guild and members may be willing to put up with a leader like that but the majority of people do not respond well to a dictator who thinks they are in control and can force a decision by being stuborn when they aren't and can't.

so why is Unbrella not co-leader of TMO ? or Corova ? or fucking Roublard for all that matters ..?

Cyrano

04-01-2014, 06:44 PM

The thing is Getsome had no intentions of working out something fair considering it was FE who helped to get back on their feet. I was actually for the merge until I saw how Getsome was unwilling to negotiate anything in Vent chat. The funny part was he tried to act like we were the unreasonable ones the next day when addressing his guild. It was seeing Getsome's attitude when trying to work out something fair that made people for the merge stop being for it. I don't think most people in IB really know how he fucked that merge up.

None of us would have agreed to a merger with anyone from FE acting as co-leader. He knows his constituency and made the call, Getsome might be direct but I have never known him to be unreasonable.

The truth is both guilds helped each other progress and then we reached the point where the system was no longer working as desired. You guys chose to join TMO under the exact same conditions for merger that we offered to FE. It's unfortunate and I think we could have done great things together, however that was your call and something I perceived to be made in a scramble to remain relevant given the direction FE was heading if TMO and IB were going to contest mobs directly; you would have been on the outside looking as the weakest of the 3 guilds.

FE officers immediately took to forum questing and began stroking the egos of their recently "hated" TMO guild mates, the rest is history. Don't try to make this some asinine BS about us stabbing you in the back or whatever, you guys were never going to get co-leadership in IB or TMO. Unbrella isn't deserving of that.

Good luck in TMO, I'm glad it was finally revealed the so-called anti-TMO values of FE for the past year have been nothing more than a facade to establish a counterculture when, in reality, you guys are just here to get pixels the easiest way possible.

Tasslehofp99

04-01-2014, 06:45 PM

we should make a graphic of your VP kills before IB leading and after IB leading. :rolleyes:

IB leading consists of Hokushin asking everyone in vent if they are fucking retards or not. While he is a great player and, at times, an effective raid leader; no one is going to put up with that for the long haul. We're humans not robots, and if you continually disrespect people the way that Hokushin did to FE(and his own guildies) they are likely to say "Fuck this"

I never rejected any FE member being a co leader of a combined IB / FE guild.

Mainly because I never considered it.

Exactly. If you don't look at what we did for your guild(not that you were around much in any capacity, other than a figurehead) and feel as if you atleast should feel obliged to treat us as equals throughout any negotiations then why would anyone in FE want to share a tag with you?

You forced FE to merge with TMO with your arrogance and piss poor attitude towards FE members. You took a really good opportunity and shit all over it for no reason.

Ravager

04-01-2014, 06:47 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

Tired memes are tired, but this one made me giggle.

Tasslehofp99

04-01-2014, 06:47 PM

None of us would have agreed to a merger with anyone from FE acting as co-leader. He knows his constituency and made the call, Getsome might be direct but I have never known him to be unreasonable.

The truth is both guilds helped each other progress and then we reached the point where the system was no longer working as desired. You guys chose to join TMO under the exact same conditions for merger that we offered to FE. It's unfortunate and I think we could have done great things together, however that was your call and something I perceived to be made in a scramble to remain relevant given the direction FE was heading if TMO and IB were going to contest mobs directly; you would have been on the outside looking as the weakest of the 3 guilds.

FE officers immediately took to forum questing and began stroking the egos of their recently "hated" TMO guild mates, the rest is history. Don't try to make this some asinine BS about us stabbing you in the back or whatever, you guys were never going to get co-leadership in IB or TMO. Unbrella isn't deserving of that.

Good luck in TMO, I'm glad it was finally revealed the so-called anti-TMO values of FE for the past year have been nothing more than a facade to establish a counterculture when, in reality, you guys are just here to get pixels the easiest way possible.

Were you even around for the entire duration of FE/IB's alliance? or just the last month or so? It seems as if you are failing to remember a good portion of what went down between FE/IB.

Lazie

04-01-2014, 06:48 PM

so why is Unbrella not co-leader of TMO ? or Corova ? or fucking Roublard for all that matters ..?

Because TMO is bringing more members to raids than we are. IB and FE were on even footing depending the time of day mobs spawned. Yet you wanted us to agree to merge without even footing in the leadership or any guarantee they wouldn't pick and choose who they wanted to remove after it happened (Look what happened on your Lord Bob merge).

There needed to be a guarantee there that we wouldn't lose friends because of the way Getsome runs things. He was stubborn about it which is his choice and he is free to make that decision. What I think Getsome's mistake was... He assumed he could do it alone without us. It shows since we left that IB actually needed us even though Getsome was too stubborn to admit it and I don't hold a grudge because of that it is his choice. It was just the wrong choice to assure everyone from our guild that we would have equal representation.

Cyrano

04-01-2014, 06:50 PM

Were you even around for the entire duration of FE/IB's alliance? or just the last month or so? It seems as if you are failing to remember a good portion of what went down between FE/IB.

Yes, I was. I don't understand what I seem to be missing and so far as I can tell my recounting of those final days is accurate.

Why do you even bother bringing up FE anymore? You're TMO now and FE is nothing but another failed guild in the history of P99.

Lazie

04-01-2014, 06:52 PM

Yes, I was. I don't understand what I seem to be missing and so far as I can tell my recounting of those final days is accurate.

Why do you even bother bringing up FE anymore? You're TMO now and FE is nothing but another failed guild in the history of P99.

Well... I witnessed Getsome being unreasonable and not willing to budge to do what was best for his guild. I respect that he stood by his guns, but it made a pretty big rift with the people who was on the fence about the merge. It turned them from leaning to a yes to a definitive no.

Pheer

04-01-2014, 06:58 PM

Because TMO is bringing more members to raids than we are. IB and FE were on even footing depending the time of day mobs spawned. Yet you wanted us to agree to merge without even footing in the leadership or any guarantee they wouldn't pick and choose who they wanted to remove after it happened (Look what happened on your Lord Bob merge).

So you were worried that the guild who had been raiding with you for months would start culling random people, but you had no problem placing your trust in the hands of the guild youve been shit talking on the forums for a full year. Right.

There needed to be a guarantee there that we wouldn't lose friends because of the way Getsome runs things. He was stubborn about it which is his choice and he is free to make that decision. What I think Getsome's mistake was... He assumed he could do it alone without us. It shows since we left that IB actually needed us even though Getsome was too stubborn to admit it and I don't hold a grudge because of that it is his choice. It was just the wrong choice to assure everyone from our guild that we would have equal representation.

We're doing great on world spawns and especially traks and hoshkars, the only area we've been struggling is on PD and a few of the other VP dragons due to working with a much smaller pull team than TMO has at their disposal.

Just cause you guys are getting lots of PDs you seem to have this fairy tale in your head where IB is starving for loot or something. All those robes and crowns and you guys are still wiping to 32k dragons, tell me more about how youre going to dominate NToV dragons in velious

Cyrano

04-01-2014, 07:07 PM

Well... I witnessed Getsome being unreasonable and not willing to budge to do what was best for his guild. I respect that he stood by his guns, but it made a pretty big rift with the people who was on the fence about the merge. It turned them from leaning to a yes to a definitive no.

How is doing what is best for his guild unreasonable? Getsome came to IB with a drafted proposal that we all agreed he could offer to TMO, the understanding and major points of issue for 99% of IB was that we 1) Didn't want to change the guild name since IB is an old name and 2) That we not be subject to FE leadership. We were cool with being equal as members, we were cool with you guys having even number of officers, we were cool with merging DKP lists instead of wiping it clean.

From my understanding, it was made clear to Unbrella that the proposal offered was final and IB, as a guild, would not be ok with changing it especially in consideration of the two points made above.

Like I said in another post, I can understand how this wasn't what FE wanted given the perception that you guys deserved even footing. However, you lost even footing when Sloan quit and the clowns you guys had leading the guild were not leaders I personally would be willing to listen to or follow about anything.

Hailto

04-01-2014, 07:09 PM

All those robes and crowns and you guys are still wiping to 32k dragons, tell me more about how youre going to dominate NToV dragons in velious

Don't make me post it again.

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 07:15 PM

Just cause you guys are getting lots of PDs you seem to have this fairy tale in your head where IB is starving for loot or something. All those robes and crowns and you guys are still wiping to 32k dragons, tell me more about how youre going to dominate NToV dragons in velious

Comparing a 32k dragon engage tactic to a Velious engage tactic shows how completely velious is out of your depth.

chief

04-01-2014, 07:21 PM

If I quit tmo do I get instant full member to ib like every other ex tmo? and will hoku hook me up with some adderall for those pd fte's?

Pheer

04-01-2014, 07:24 PM

Comparing a 32k dragon engage tactic to a Velious engage tactic shows how completely velious is out of your depth.

Yeah youre right it sure is dumb to say that someone would struggle with a mob that has 10x the hp of the shit theyre currently wiping to

lilyanna

04-01-2014, 07:35 PM

If I quit tmo do I get instant full member to ib like every other ex tmo? and will hoku hook me up with some adderall for those pd fte's?

Misnformed but sure feel free to put your app in and I will consider it :rolleyes:

Ella`Ella

04-01-2014, 07:42 PM

How is my app looking, lily?

Alarti0001

04-01-2014, 07:45 PM

Yeah youre right it sure is dumb to say that someone would struggle with a mob that has 10x the hp of the shit theyre currently wiping to

Wow you are literally clueless. I'm not surprised.

Heebee

04-01-2014, 08:41 PM