EXP Re-Nerfed ROFL

[HippoNipple]

lol really huh, lets pick this apart

Grand creation: Boxing allowed? Confirmed
Hidden Forest: Boxing allowed? "Ok the 6 boxing thing i think is amazing to be honest." Confirmed

I mean it sounds fishy on its own, but if those 2 servers allow boxing, it looks even worse

Confirmation they allow boxing? (Edited confirms)

The plot thickens

Project 1999 is the first and only server in existence that doesn't allow boxing.

[Fame]

When you do pull the plug let it be like the hunger games without warning, one day, people die and never log back on.

[Tradesonred]

So it means that pre-xpnerf arguably Red99 had more population than maybe both Legend servers combined, Hidden forest and Grand creation, not sure if they publish actual players logged on, by IP.

[mostbitter]

idk so much about peq or hidden forest but i spent some time on ez server during the dark days when no pvp server was up and its typically got at least 50+ people afk at the nexus

[Kergan]

When you do pull the plug let it be like the hunger games without warning, one day, people die and never log back on.

Hah, go permadeath without saying anything. Now THAT is a great way to close down a server, +1.

[Azure]

When you do pull the plug let it be like the hunger games without warning, one day, people die and never log back on.

lol would be funny as fuk if they turned on discord without telling anyone

[Tradesonred]

One of my golden rule to build trust and good relations with people when i sell comic books is disclosure.

If i know that a comic has been tampered with (color touch, pressing, comic book geek stuff) i will always let the person know so he can make his decision to buy the book or not in full possession of the facts

So i dont ever need to get snappy at people because theyre calling me out on my bullshit

[daasgoot]

WWJD?

Incoming blue transfers...

[Platexchange]

There's a scaling bonus 1-50.

And yes, we get that people are quitting.We don't care.

And yes, we get that people are quitting.We don't care.


And yes, we get that people are quitting.We don't care.

And yes, we get that people are quitting.We don't care.

quit server months ago, help us help you.

[Swish]

Heartbrand's How To Get 300 Players To Red99 In 60 Days Plan
------------------------------------------------------------

1) Remove Hybrid XP Penalty
2) 150% Global EXP Bonus + 150% Scaling Group XP Bonus
3) Rotating exp hot zones for differing level ranges
4) Repops stagger mobs across the entire week
5) Constant pvp events for different level brackets with unique illusion item prizes / guild v guild capped events with pve mob prizes
6) In game leaderboard
7) FV Loot Rules
8) One time no drop trade to move no drop items off a character and put on another
9) Boxing until server pop hits 250 avg
10) One month re-release of legacy items with huge press campaign

I personally would like more custom things like once a month random city wars with loot, random powerful dragon spawned in a zone such as steamfont, etc., but too much custom and people might balk. But the need for more content is pretty dire.

SHRUG.

I'd play, except for #9 maybe.

They either want the box to succeed or they don't. As it stands, they don't.

[Swish]

pull the plug imo

[Humerox]

I'd play, except for #9 maybe.

They either want the box to succeed or they don't. As it stands, they don't.

Ditto on 9. And I think they want the box to succeed...they just misinterpret the majority of the people that play on it. Qu'ils mangent de la brioche and all.

[Tradesonred]

Yeah really boxing would stunt any efforts to build a social scene on server as alot of people established wouldnt bother hanging with newer folks

Beyond that i think its a good idea, although i dont know what FV loot rules mean. If they ever pull a Jesus patch i might start hoping again for red99, but for now i just think nothing we say matters, they just gonna feed us party line bullshit and shit is probably just gonna get worse.

How much does it cost to rent a box? lol I could have had a DayZ server for 30$ a month, we should pull our resources together and make a server like this happen

This is what i think would make a killer FFA server:


What i think would make a great EQ PVP server ruleset

- Think eve online, think sandbox (No PnP)

- Item loot:

The rebirth of Gfay as a trading town and lowbie PVP central: Item loot will make low level items desirable again. Will make lowbies salivate at the thought of selling the
loot they just got to twink prices when they move that shit to Jita. I mean Gfay. It will make the fun economic mini-game of Gfay mules, buy low, sell high be possible again.

Its less griefy than no item loot, if tempered with added custom no drop gear. Why? Because twinks cant run around with 0 chances of losing their gear. If they want to go after newbs and lowbies less equipped than them, they will have to put their gear on the line. Griefer twinks will go after noobs and lowbies. You can now loot a piece of gear off those hard twinks if you suceed in slaying those "evil wizards" to use a Fantasy fiction analogy.

Or: Choose to be a griefer that doesnt risk his gear, on an equal gear footing as the rest of the noobs, by using the custom no drop gear that needs to be added into the game to offset the harshness of item loot. Which brings me to my next point.

- Events, custom gear:

The blueprint for this is the Halloween event of 2001. Werewolves spawning in WC with a purple sky. Wraiths or whatever in EK. That undead dragon in Rathe. All those event mobs were dropping no drop gear that had players in a pixel frenzy of PVPing over event mobs. Put some of that no drop gear, having maybe 3-4 sets in total on the way to level 60 on regular mobs so that casuals have a chance and dont break their faces on a cliff-like PVP learning curve. Make it shittier than gear that drops but better than being naked. Melees especially needin love on this. Do some work before launching the server on a couple of events like this that will be either recurrent on a variable basis or something that GMs can easily switch on. Duels are not events to me. They can be sort of fun but nothing compared to the kind of unscripted PVP you get from dropping event mobs in the middle of a zone.

Events are also a chance for players to PVP in zones that arent often used like say that goblin castle zone near misty i forgot the name, yet another ingredient to keeping things fresh and fun, for players and GMs as well.

- Variance. We all know what i mean by this, no need to go into specifics.

- Keep GMing simple and focused on positive stuff like piloting events. If youre not using 3rd party programs, not bugging out mobs on purpose, you can do it. I would rather have training be allowed but i know this wont be popular. Its the one thing im willing to say "Allrite, whatever, no training" on PnP. Everything else PnP should go. Let the players have control of the sandbox.

- Xp rate at 2.0 to 3.0 Weve all done the grind before. No insta 60s but loosen up the grind a little.

- Maaaaaaybe a small amount of xp lost after each PVP death. Im talkin here about 1-5% of the amount you ate back when xp loss was on. If i gotta pick between PnP or this, its a no-brainer, add a small amount of xp loss and abort this PnP monstrosity. Really small, it needs to not be a deterrent to people having fun PVPing for hours if thats how they choose to spend their time on the box. My preference is scrap PnP, no xp loss.

- Some of the end game loot needs to be made droppable. Thats my weak point, i dont know end game well. But brakes need to be put on deleveling a toon with uber no drop gear on. Im not saying to not let it happen, just keep an eye on it and try to make it balanced. Maybe by locking some of the end game loot and the new custom loot to levels, just like gear is locked out for classes. So a custom chest piece wearable at level40 becomes unwearable if you delevel to 39. Something like this.

- Correct me if im wrong but i think i remember PVP on Rallos starting only at level6. This seems reasonable to me, giving time to people who are totally new to the game to play a bit before entering PVP.


Honestly though, other games are probably around the corner with all that kickstarter stuff and red99 was probably be the last time ill be spending on an EQ box. Just sad to see how things are handled when we could have a sort of allrite server with red. Teams is going to be a fucking failure. A populated red would be our best shot at having a PVP box.

[heartbrand]

I agree that boxing long term isn't good, but I think it's needed until pop is self sufficient or people will roll up on server have no needed classes to play with and quit. You need to let people hit the ground running here, build a pop, and then you can cut off boxing @ that point.

[LulzSect]

What's not making sense to you?

Go back to Graffes blubie. Its not 1999 anymore scrub.

[Humerox]

I agree that boxing long term isn't good, but I think it's needed until pop is self sufficient or people will roll up on server have no needed classes to play with and quit. You need to let people hit the ground running here, build a pop, and then you can cut off boxing @ that point.

You let that monkey out of the cage it's done, bro. And I'd play that box, Trades.

[heartbrand]

You need something to let people want to try red out, if we won't be wiping. Every change in the world won't make clerics appear to group with. Once you get a whole bunch of new people hooked though via having a box, then you can pull the plug on it and they will bring their friends, etc. What red needs is a 2nd wave of players. Just my opinion though, I get some will be opposed regardless, and it's all theoretical anyway.

[Tradesonred]

I agree that boxing long term isn't good, but I think it's needed until pop is self sufficient or people will roll up on server have no needed classes to play with and quit. You need to let people hit the ground running here, build a pop, and then you can cut off boxing @ that point.

I dont know, if you put xp back on, you dont ever need to allow boxing. How are new people gonna find groups if they go to unrest and its stuff like my sham buffin the shit out of my rogue, healing etc... while hes soloing, even i would be tempted to do it if it was allowed and im usually a kind of social, lets group with strangers kinda player.

[heartbrand]

I mean, I get the argument on both sides, I don't think it's a deal breaker.

[Zoolander]

I mean, I get the argument on both sides, I don't think it's a deal breaker.

it is.

there is no way back once it is out. just keep that pandora`s box closed.

[Vile]

its pretty funny you mention these people will be super buffed 24/7 pvping..

EVERYTIME someone posts a screen shot of them PvPing... even some random ass PvP, the person is completely buffed..

just recently I remember seeing jupe post some pics PKing those new peeps in Unrest with full cleric/shaman buffs on a lvl 30 twink... lulz

[Colgate]

i often play without buffs because i feel the handicap is needed for my opponents to think that they might have a chance

protip: they don't

[Squire]

i often play without buffs because i feel the handicap is needed for my opponents to think that they might have a chance

protip: they don't

goog post

[Gaffin 7.0]

just got home from work and 20 pages i missed can I get a TLDR version?

[akathanam]

just got home from work and 20 pages i missed can I get a TLDR version?

QQ

[Gaffin 7.0]

shut the fuck up nerd

[akathanam]

shut the fuck up nerd

That was the TLDR Version of this thread.

[Gaffin 7.0]

oh im sorry then, basically we never getting xp back and changes are "soon" amirite?

[Squire]

oh im sorry then, basically we never getting xp back and changes are "soon" amirite?

-There is a horror story as to why the exp was removed before a compliment was implemented, Sirken doesn't want to share

-The exp is gone, it was accidentally put back in.

-They are aware the exp nerf is making people quit, but "they don't care" because they believe it is a necessary step to increasing pop and making a thriving newb community.

-Changes are to occur *soon* (+/-90 Days) and possible announcements this week.

-Red merging into blue would cause sirken to suck start a beretta, but "would that be the craziest thing to happen?"

-Staff love Faerie

-See my sig

[Fame]

No changes "soon", the new troll is "very soon" as always, have faith.

[Gaffin 7.0]

i honestly dont see how lower xp rates help anything, i get why they said it will help low level community grp and not outlvl each other but everyone is all for xp, who isnt faerie?? thats about all and dumbass rellapse. everyone was so happy about xp being back and i even twinked out my rogue for it, the xp rate brought alot of pvp that day, then bam gone agin fuck me. no low level community even on here so why does it matter about xp is gone or not

[Infectious]

Fuck boxing... Add no god damn bonus, just a group exp bonus. Make it scale based on number of members so people dont add one person afk or another part of the zone. Other then that scratch all that dumb shit. We want to build a community? Force people into easier leveling, by grouping. End of story. Thank me now by making this shit happen by 2 thursdays from today.

[Rellapse36]

shut the fuck up nerd

someone had a bad day flipping burgers did some fat chick come and order 200 double cheeseburgers n then return them or something

[Gaffin 7.0]

god you are a idiot and no one likes you

[Rellapse36]

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/220/6/7/forever_rustled__gif__by_whataslendidday-d5a8sru.gif

[Tradesonred]

Forums has been getting less stupid lately, rellapse is sort of like an archeological find that tells us about our past.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/dd/38/3a/dd383a8f9c55accf6ff2d23b9552b4aa.jpg

[HippoNipple]

So half the level 60's are banned and exp still sucks? Yeah, still not logging in.

[dethbringre]

At this point I don't even care one way or the other about the exp rates, classic or boosted doesn't matter. But I would like to know what the plans for the box are, as of right now the future of R99 doesn't look too bright. But hey I could be wrong but we can't get any answers. I'm fine with just about any angle they take this server I'd just like to know the plans so I can decide whether or not to continue investing my time here or go to LoZ..

[LulzSect]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/343/553/cfc.jpg

[Juhstin]

So half the level 60's are banned and exp still sucks? Yeah, still not logging in.

[Akuma]

At this point I don't even care one way or the other about the exp rates, classic or boosted doesn't matter. But I would like to know what the plans for the box are, as of right now the future of R99 doesn't look too bright. But hey I could be wrong but we can't get any answers. I'm fine with just about any angle they take this server I'd just like to know the plans so I can decide whether or not to continue investing my time here or go to LoZ..

What's LoZ?

[krazyGlue]

Inc boxing . Cofirmed

[Smedy]

About time, maybe it was when box hit pop 6 last morning when they realize, hmm maybe 6 people on PVP server isn't gonna make that group happen

durr huurrrrr

jesus, about time

Looks like my whistle remains untainted, i am a progressive saint of jesus who in the end brought you boxing which in return will save the box

pras

[RoguePhantom]

Boxing aint gonna help shit.

It does NOT increase Population. No NEW person is going to play here, the number increase is only due to people here, logging in additional characters. Not an actual increase in playerbase.

Boxing is super dumb.

[Zoolander]

About time, maybe it was when box hit pop 6 last morning when they realize, hmm maybe 6 people on PVP server isn't gonna make that group happen

durr huurrrrr

jesus, about time

Looks like my whistle remains untainted, i am a progressive saint of jesus who in the end brought you boxing which in return will save the box

pras

won't happen, confirmed

[Smedy]

boxing is good cause eq is retarded by design

enchanter is a class that makes or breaks any group, but no one wants to play it, also clerics are hard to come by

i can't even count how many times i've had 4-5 people wanting to do a group but not being able to cause no one wants to just sit and play someone elses cleric/enchanter and get nothing out of it

with boxing that simply doesn't happen, you can box a chanter on the side or a healer and everyone can enjoy the game to the full what happens when people feel they can logon and do shit? they logon and do shit, and that increases the pop

[Tecmos Deception]

but no one wants to play it

How dare you talk about my class that way?! Screw you AND the mother you popped out of!

But more seriously, the situation you talk about is the exception Smedy, not the norm. There aren't many camps that require a chanter, especially not in the 1-50 leveling game where the server needs help in order to eventually have larger numbers overall and at 50+. Boxing would be what all the diehard reds who are still on the server right now even without boxing will use as a competitive advantage (because they are the ones who already have multiple characters anyways) in terms of travel, buffs, oor heal grief bullshit, PLing, etc.

[Sheriff]

About time, maybe it was when box hit pop 6 last morning when they realize, hmm maybe 6 people on PVP server isn't gonna make that group happen

durr huurrrrr

jesus, about time

Looks like my whistle remains untainted, i am a progressive saint of jesus who in the end brought you boxing which in return will save the box

pras

Naw naw whistle still tainted bro, you cheated when it was still cheating. Maybe if you changed your named to a toon that you could still play it would wash away that stink from your whistle, Sorta like bathing in the cool clear waters of Lake winnetonka. Cheaters gonna cheat and RMTers are going to eat dem dinners pal!

[Smedy]

what lvl are you?

[Sheriff]

what lvl are you?

This a come back of some sort? That's like saying your momma!

[Smedy]

This a come back of some sort? That's like saying your momma!

no i ignored what you said, didn't even pass through my dumb filter, i replied to the guy who actually had something to say heh

[Zalaerian]

Maining chanter after years of cleric....100000x more fun

[Smedy]

there are not many lvl 60 chanters active, there's a reason for this

there are more clerics tho but still, i would never play either of these classes

[Sheriff]

no i ignored what you said, didn't even pass through my dumb filter, i replied to the guy who actually had something to say heh

I know you are but what am I? I'm rubber and your glue whatever you bounces off me and sticks to you! You didn't ignore me, I called you out and you were rustled. Now your the guy you talked so much shit about for so long. The guy who has no toons on the box, but still comes back as if you are part of the community. No one cares what you have to say now pal, your a troll with no dog in this fight.

[Zalaerian]

Idk man...a chanter that can avoid the assist train with proper positioning illusions shrink sect is devastining in mass PvP.

[Tecmos Deception]

no i ignored what you said, didn't even pass through my dumb filter, i replied to the guy who actually had something to say heh

Just dinged 52.

[Robben]

People like you wont quit. I wouldnt quit myself, i dont mind classic xp, thats not the problem to me.

The problem is, as it has been explained alot, some people cant invest that kind of time, see no progress on their toons and quit. Some people log in to dead zones, get bored, quit. This is all interconnected and makes the population spiral down until its emptied out of every player cept players like Chewie.

To repeat, im not quitting because im not leveling fast enough. If we could attract 300-400 with classic xp i wouldnt give a fuck, its not about the speed, its about empty zones, no pvp on the journey, no groups. Thats where i draw the line and consider EQ to be work instead of fun. Im sure even people who think they dont have time with this grind wouldnt care, because when youre having fun, its not about making that xp bar move, which it when the low level scene is dead and all you wanna do is catch up to the higher brackets


Red always cannibalizes itself unfortunately. There are 20-30 people on Red that would rather grief everyone off the server than have a healthy population. I met some helpful and cool people, but also ran into some really unpleasant ones


I went back to blue because you can't have much fun on a sub-100 person server : /

[Smedy]

Idk man...a chanter that can avoid the assist train with proper positioning illusions shrink sect is devastining in mass PvP.

if minor illusion actually worked i'd consider enchanter, its one of the most awesome spells, to bad its broken :/

[Zalaerian]

All about the shrunk skel w lev

[Humerox]

Just dinged 52.

Grats! When u gonna make a guild decision, brew? ;)

[Tecmos Deception]

Grats! When u gonna make a guild decision, brew? ;)

Probably after we find out what plans the staff have in store for the server!

[HippoNipple]

Probably after we find out what plans the staff have in store for the server!

Probably a good idea. Screw choosing which guild has members you enjoy playing with. See if the changes gives a guild a clear advantage and choose which team of neck beards will lead you to the pixel promised land.

[Tecmos Deception]

Probably a good idea. Screw choosing which guild has members you enjoy playing with. See if the changes gives a guild a clear advantage and choose which team of neck beards will lead you to the pixel promised land.

:rolleyes:

Should I be like you and just bitch "waah, xp bonus and bans. i'm not even gonna log in"?

[heartbrand]

How to run a server:

1) Watch pop get to record heights
2) Watch 3 guilds thrive for first time ever
3) Watch tons of new players come
4) Quickly remove exp bonus at same time as velious beta and diablo 3 expac
5) The End

[Faerie]

Probably after we find out what plans the staff have in store for the server!

Keep in mind that RD went from being "#1 anti-grief guild on the server!" to being "hired goons" :/

[heartbrand]

Keep in mind that RD went from being "#1 anti-grief guild on the server!" to being "hired goons" :/

We are absolutely anti grief. Just yesterday I logged in to remove two new players [who subsequently immediately went to Uprising, Azrael's PL guild] who broke the charter. Thanks for your concern.

[Tecmos Deception]

Keep in mind that RD went from being "#1 anti-grief guild on the server!" to being "hired goons" :/

Let forum drama decide my actions ingame. Check.

Keep the good advice coming, guys.

[Faerie]

Let forum drama decide my actions ingame. Check.

Keep the good advice coming, guys.

Guild leadership is representative of the guild on a whole. RD has a few of the best people I've met in game, but pay close attention to Heartbrand and think long and hard about your decision.

Also guilds I won't be joining:
Nihilum
Azrael

So yeah, maybe just ignore me :P

[HippoNipple]

:rolleyes:

Should I be like you and just bitch "waah, xp bonus and bans. i'm not even gonna log in"?

don't put waahs in my mouth bitch

[Squire]

Dem guk self harmtouches

http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/1279082592656.jpg

[heartbrand]

Guild leadership is representative of the guild on a whole. RD has a few of the best people I've met in game, but pay close attention to Heartbrand and think long and hard about your decision.

Also guilds I won't be joining:
Nihilum
Azrael

So yeah, maybe just ignore me :P

I dunno, I don't think I was anything other than nice to you. Given away prolly close tot a million plat in items and what not @ this point and PL'ed half the server. But I take strong stances and get too emotional over elf sim so ppl going 2 hate. Go hard or go home you know? But anti-grief, everything RD stands for, is 100% legit. I don't compromise on it. There are quite a few people in AZ now that I could've had but said no to, and then went there, same with Nihilum. We would've been stronger 100% had I taken them.

[Squire]

Chewie is a guk raid mob, and i reespect that.

[Faerie]

I dunno, I don't think I was anything other than nice to you. Given away prolly close tot a million plat in items and what not @ this point and PL'ed half the server. But I take strong stances and get too emotional over elf sim so ppl going 2 hate. Go hard or go home you know? But anti-grief, everything RD stands for, is 100% legit. I don't compromise on it. There are quite a few people in AZ now that I could've had but said no to, and then went there, same with Nihilum. We would've been stronger 100% had I taken them.

You saw an untapped market of potential players and branded your guild as anti-grief to appeal to them. Yes you were nice to me when I was almost sure I wanted to join and add a new cleric to your ranks, but you weren't so nice before when you killed me naked as your guildmates sat on my pve-dead corpse in TD. Not that I minded too much, but it did nothing positive for my opinion of you.

Then I saw that conversation that probably should have remained private, about you telling people that your guild is nothing but "hired goons" looking out exclusively for their own pve interests. What a deplorable thing to say about your guild and your friends. The way you present yourself, and your guild, comes a bit short of deserving of respect.

But I have high standards. Maybe too high for this server. You're free to do what you will with your guild, and you definitely have done a lot of good for the people here. I look forward to not being corpse camped by RD.

[heartbrand]

You realize this is a video game right?

[heartbrand]

p.s., I never remember killing you naked, please keep in mind many people have access to zibby / selena.

[Faerie]

You realize this is a video game right?

:eek:

p.s., I never remember killing you naked, please keep in mind many people have access to zibby / selena.

You don't remember smacking around that naked half elf (Faerie <Serenity>) with your badass warrior epic? In sro.

I rolled my eyes and started an episode of Daria on my laptop lol.

[Genedin]

Heartbrand, why doth thou feedest thine trolls? Oneself residing in the heights above judgement of those base creatures who crawl in their own slime, hoping to topple your ivory pedestal and see you wallowing in the muck they have created for themselves to wallow in.

[Tradesonred]

red dawn #1 scrub guild on server
rich history of gettin stompt

Rich history of sniping a raid mob in a zone with 60 hostiles in it

[Sheriff]

Rich history of sniping a raid mob in a zone with 60 hostiles in it

Was fun too!

[Sheriff]

rich history of crying about exp rate

Harmtouch yourself.

[LulzSect]

Chewie is a guk raid mob, and i reespect that.

[Tecmos Deception]

Harmtouch yourself.

Big, bad Chewie would rather HT himself and either get a rez or have to PVE to make up for the xp loss than be on the left side of a YT?

Now that's some bluebie-ass shit, right there.

Lol. You guys are just great on this server.

[Tradesonred]

rich history of crying about exp rate

Rich history of labeling thinking, crying

[Faerie]

Big, bad Chewie would rather HT himself and either get a rez or have to PVE to make up for the xp loss than be on the left side of a YT?

Now that's some bluebie-ass shit, right there.

Lol. You guys are just great on this server.

Completely legitimate tactic. Also classic. Anyone from old item loot days knows this.

Plugging, though, is bluebie-ass shit.

[Tradesonred]

how you quote someone on ignore, teach me o wise one

lol people here are such manchilds sometimes

oh yeah? OH YEAH?

Its stop chewie noooo whos on ignore

[Azure]

Chewie stood and died 2 me, but he's also plugged 2 me before, but only to log on another toon.

[HippoNipple]

how you quote someone on ignore, teach me o wise one

I don't know ask this guy.

Not gonna take you off ignore, Hippo.




Probably a good idea. Screw choosing which guild has members you enjoy playing with. See if the changes gives a guild a clear advantage and choose which team of neck beards will lead you to the pixel promised land.


:rolleyes:

Should I be like you and just bitch "waah, xp bonus and bans. i'm not even gonna log in"?

[Barladore]

Heartbrand's How To Get 300 Players To Red99 In 60 Days Plan
------------------------------------------------------------

1) Remove Hybrid XP Penalty
2) 150% Global EXP Bonus + 150% Scaling Group XP Bonus
3) Rotating exp hot zones for differing level ranges
4) Repops stagger mobs across the entire week
5) Constant pvp events for different level brackets with unique illusion item prizes / guild v guild capped events with pve mob prizes
6) In game leaderboard
7) FV Loot Rules
8) One time no drop trade to move no drop items off a character and put on another
9) Boxing until server pop hits 250 avg
10) One month re-release of legacy items with huge press campaign

I personally would like more custom things like once a month random city wars with loot, random powerful dragon spawned in a zone such as steamfont, etc., but too much custom and people might balk. But the need for more content is pretty dire.

SHRUG.

Pras

[Tecmos Deception]

I don't know ask this guy.

Lol. I thought about posting in this thread that I was just starting to NOT regret my decision to take you off ignore, too. But it's too late to say that truthfully now!

[Daldaen]

1. No non-classic EXP bonuses
2. Item loot
3. When engaged in PvP you cannot place items in bags
4. Profit

[Azure]

Unlikely

Galadhwen...

[Squire]

1. No non-classic EXP bonuses
2. Item loot
3. When engaged in PvP you cannot place items in bags
4. Profit

lol stfu. So slow exp and item loot more brutal than item loot than was present on live (And ever further incentivizing people to play nude nukers) is your formula for a thriving box?

[HippoNipple]

Lol. I thought about posting in this thread that I was just starting to NOT regret my decision to take you off ignore, too. But it's too late to say that truthfully now!

An ignore, unignore and reignore. Gotta be worth some serious forum points.

[HippoNipple]

Sounds familiar...

Don't quote me unless you are going to say something relevant son.

[Tradesonred]

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/stay_on_topic.jpg

Guilty of it too, got dragged into the usual manchild braindead no its you! fest

[daasgoot]

Success in any endeavor requires one simple formula: First define precisely what you want to do, then devise efficient logical steps to get there.

[Sheriff]

Success in any endeavor requires one simple formula: First define precisely what you want to do, then devise efficient logical steps to get there.

Look at the brain on braaaaad.

[Tradesonred]

Recap and highlights of this fried gold thread:

7 people in EK exping. Move to SK to get my centaur grind on, 6 people in this zone as well, getting that exp.

I log to take a shit, come back and the zone is fucking empty. OOC flaring up about exp nerf back in.

I JUST LEFT TO TAKE A SHIT MAN, COME ON

Sigh. Give me a fucking break dude. 160+ people were on today. We saw people we hadn't seen in over a month. People were excited, morale was SKY HIGH. There were MULTIPLE EXP GROUPS for the first time in over a month. Now it's shit and everyone is quitting again. Same old fucking bullshit on this server since 2011.

I was just about to reinstall

For the brief time the xp bonus was active, I was having the most fun I've had in EQ since I started playing two months ago. It wasn't just the xp, as I'd gotten used to the brain-numbing grind, but I felt the community immediately grow stronger and more passionate about playing, and server morale was boosted to a level I hadn't previously seen.

To all who are calling people lazy for wanting an xp bonus, this isn't 1999. Most of us have grown up quite a bit and have jobs, families, and real life obligations. I can't get anyone I know--even people who WANT to play--to come play on the server because they call it a "time-sink."

Because Red 99 is a fairly small community, and most classes cannot solo at higher levels, groups are essential. When the xp is as bad as it is and people can't get groups, they aren't going to play. It's really that simple. Not to mention it's RED, so you spend even more time on CRs, getting griefed, camped, etc...

Lastly, although I intend to keep playing, I am very disheartened by how this is all being handled. I feel as though players deserve to know what's going on with the server and what the GMs' intentions are. I'm surprised no official announcement has been made, and if one isn't made today, I will be in complete disbelief.

(By the way, I spent many, many hours in college helping prepare p1999 for release... It was mostly grunt work [checking merchants for classic wares / pixels / locations etc...], so it really crushes me to be in this position as a player.)

I understand that running these servers is time consuming, expensive, and stressful at times, and I know how much work went into creating the server to make it as perfect as possible, but Red99 deserves better than what it is getting imho. Let the server thrive. You know how to do it.

Biggest disappointment for me is the staff had the opportunity to make right the mistake of taking out xp without some sort of stop gap until group bonus can be implemented. They had to actively contact a developer to revert to nerfed xp. This could have easily been "Yes xp has been added back in until group bonus theory is tested and implemented, long live red"

But it was more like - fuck xp is definitely boosted, call up Haynar on the batphone and nerf that shit down I want to crush these nerds souls back down into the gutter where they belong.

my reaction https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TQXuazYI_YU#t=99

I think the fucked up thing is that even after witnessing all the people being happy and excited they decide to revert it again.

The bottom line is having higher xp isnt ever hurting the server but for some reason that is what they think or why else would they take it out?

Yup. Early this morning through late afternoon server was poppin. Exp groups were everywhere. People were happy. It was great. It had that old feel from a month ago. Now it's 82 people online and dead as can be. Shrug.

you guys need to chill out. i promise as soon as devs are like "ok its done" we're gonna tell you all you the things. but holy shit, some of you cry so god damned hard about every little thing, every single time, and it just gets old. i understand that you guys love EQ, and whether you want to admit it, you love R99. i dont think you guys would get so angry or passionate about things, if you didn't care. we aren't ignoring you, we just don't get off on repeating ourselves. we've already stated changes are coming, and that we would announce them as soon as we could. and that means exactly that, we aren't going to talk about them until we can. we cant say anything before it's ready because our devs are not on a set schedule and we don't wanna say X Y and Z are gonna happen... but not sure when. or put out a date on something and fail to make that date. or say we are gonna do X! but then learn we can only do Y. (pretend there's a "themoreyouknow.jpg" here for immersion purposes if u need pictures, im very busy atm and can't be bothered to insert it myself)

fact is, players needed to get off that easyxp addiction because it did nothing to help the servers community. and i know its really hard to go cold turkey, but in all honesty its better to get it over with and be done with it. the previous xp model did nothing to give incentives or perks for grouping, it did nothing to build a community, and it basically assured that if u came to this server on your own, you better play a class that can solo because you were gonna be on your own til about 46ish. no one on staff expects things to change over night, thats silly. but we all agree that if we are ever going to have a full range community, we must first ensure the building blocks are in place for players to successfully build that community. the previous xp model is just simply not the path that will take us where we need to go.

<3
Sirks

Why did you nerf it before implementing your grand changes? It's pretty telling no dev/gm can answer this question.

u really really dont wanna hear that story. and actually, you should probably thank me for not telling you.

you're welcome

<3
Sirks

you say it doesn't help the community but yet today we had 160+ players, incredibly high morale, tons of people grouping and having FUN. Post xp nerf we now have people quitting, people going to LoZ, people saying fuck the server. This shit isn't rocket science.

Something about being more hardcore than everyone and eating green berets for breakfast

I have nothing against you Sirken, on any level, for any reason, at any point. I disagree with some of your decisions but dating back to Vallon Zek in Zephyros, VZ/TZ as a GM and here as a Guide/GM you've been great. I don't mean disrespect with this post. I love your vision for the future of Red except i don't agree that it's feasible.

You want low, mid, planar, raiding, pvp, brackets all available on this server and what's lacking is the population. Constantly we talk about attrition and this server suffers it worse than blue. Making people level more slowly will make a larger % of the population fill the 1-20, 20-40, 40-50 and 50-55 'brackets' but it wont make a larger population overall. You're just cutting the pie into more pieces that ultimately compromises the playability of the server.

We need a population of 1000+ to have an EXP rate this low to have viable group/competition in the lower end game. As it stands people will just stop joining this server, and that's what Red Dawn faces.

Your utopian diagram doesn't work when the TOTAL playerbase is only 200 people.

Its pretty simple, if you nerf the xp and kill the morale of the few people plowing through the lower bracket like Conan slaves, alot of em are going to leave. You want that classic xp when a server launches and you got 600 people starting out at level 1. Right now we need incentives so new fishes dont get their morale broken and pop can snowball little by little.

I have a rubi BP on, a FBSS, some twink weaps on a rogue and i think xp is still a bit slow with bonus, but mainly, its fucking boring. I wouldnt care if there was 25 people in unrest and xp was -500% you see. But theres one group of Azrael alts getting PLd and im not part of it, so i gotta solo stuff in the yard on my own instead of going in building groupin having fun. Thats why i dont like the nerf, not cuz i cant handle classic xp, its because it kills the pop before it gets a chance to grow and it makes it so i gotta solo my alt for 40 more levels. No its not gonna magically bring people to the lower brackets, to make it even harder for naked noobs to start out on server.

How many times do we need to explain something that is so easy to understand. We keep saying the same thing over and over because you guys dont get it, you just come back to us and keep repeating the same party line everyone knows doesnt work.

Yeah allrite changes are coming soon, you told us that a month ago. Why then nerf the xp before the other stuff? We would probably hitting 215-230+ peaks easy if you hadnt touched anything and people like me and others put in work to go on other forums like "Hey, Velious coming out soon, get a headstart! Its gonna be fun!" What was such a big deal about nerfing xp that it couldnt have waited another month for your other measures while the pop was getting built instead of doing something everyone knew was gonna cripple the pop in the nuts?

Well, as much as it saddens me, especially having been one of the volunteers who helped prepare P1999 for launch, I'm done.

Because I became very busy with school around the time of release, I wasn't able to play when the server was launched. I only recently started playing a couple months ago because a RL friend was playing on Red. Things were okay at first. There was a low-but-decent population. But now, prime time having maybe 130-150 at its highest, the server seems like it's dying.

Maybe the xp on Red is a major factor for the pop being so low because so many new players who want to try Red get shit on. Maybe not. Either way, EQ requires a lot of time from each player, and starting out on Red isn't fun happy time. People have to put up with a lot of shit when they want to accomplish something.

Whatever the case, with a failing population and the life of the server a serious question on the minds of the players, why would anyone want to make any sort of xp / gear grind, battling twinks and griefers the whole way?

For now, you've lost three players, myself included. When the staff reveal their plans for the server, and we have a clear view of their view(s), I might consider playing again. But from what Sirken said, I assume there are some who want to shut down Red.

If you want to shut down the server. Shut it down. If you have plans and want it to thrive, talk to the community and let them know what you're thinking--what you want to do--even if you're uncertain. There's too much smoke and mirrors bs going on. Playing on this server, I feel like a citizen of North Korea.

Best of luck to all the legit players who care about the server's welfare. To all the people who just troll the forums like little maggots to feel "cool," "funny," or get a rise out of people...I cannot express how much I pity you.

As much as I hate Carebears, I think if I'm stuck grinding XP I'd rather do it on blue, at least there I can talk shit, here the server is empty and grinding by yourself is boring as fuck.

Will watch threads until XP is back then return. I'm all for the journey but on Red the journey by yourself on an empty server doesn't seem worth it when they'll just pull the plug on the box in the end making the grind a waste of time. Will grind on blue until things get better here. (Not like me missing will make a difference anyways to these retarded GM decisions.)

Box was fun with exp, not so much now. Didn't want to jump in this QQ thread but, your response makes me want to put my two cents in. I'm not in high school/college anymore, I have a family and a full time job, and your senseless nerf (which it is) is only for the neckbeards. I don't have 1.5 hours to find a group and go to Seb/KC/COM, I'm not a solo class and once I get the group and to the xp location I don't have the three hours to grind. The fact that you didn't have a plan in place (if you had one it wouldn't be ever changing) when you implemented these changes is ignorant.

These changes are not for the casual player which made up that roughly 50% of the population (200 - 98 + or - Azrael boxed toons). The only time you see casuals are on repops (Sun) which makes your server thrive for one day. I'm sad to see this happen to our box but, the reason EQ failed was the amount of time required to play it (that's why WOW was a hit) and one really bad expansion.

Bottom line, QQ the box is less fun, I've been playing Teams (which is shaky but fun) because I can play it as a casual. Think more about the casuals and less about the Sickpuppys of the box.

I don't understand how they can say it did nothing for the server when the evidence tells a different story. This isn't blue, it will never be blue. Groups won't be formed containing people from different guilds. People will never trust strangers enough to take that risk here. It really sucks that the staff is being so difficult about this, trying to force a community to see it their way, that will never see it that way.

The fucked up part will be that when it is announced, no one will understand why it was so important to keep intended plans a secret from the public.

Exp bonus doesn't hurt the server and no one cares if you deliver x promise on y date or if you need to change it or whatever. People won't complain more then they are now watching new players and old friends quit.

I like how the premise is that they want to be reliable and professional with how they roll out changes.

:rolleyes::confused:

Server direction:

As many people as possible playing, and sustaining that population
Enjoyable play experience for everyone, not just the old guard
No wipes
No shutdowns

I briefly outlined what would make that happen in a previous post, feel free to do an advanced forum search on username Derubael in PvP Server Chat to find it. Shouldn't take that long to find, it was pretty recent.

Good things are coming to Red 99, but we had to pull the plug on that insane XP. There was no easy way to do it, yet it had to be done. When these changes come, and yes, they will be coming very soon, the spotlight is going to be on Red 99. People are going to be coming to these forums, rolling on the box, and viewing this community from the outside looking in.

What would you all like them to see? How will you all be viewed? Is this good or bad for new players?

Dude, you keep saying it "had to be done", but yet it didn't. We were passing 200 pop for the first time since 2011. Now we're back to low double digit pop. Multiple people quitting, LoZ gaining popularity, spring is here with summer on the way. The only people who think it "had to be done" are the staff, who are horribly out of touch with what the people who actually play this server want. Keep up with what you guys think "has to be done" and you'll have a dead box with no one on it, which some of us believe is what the goal of the staff is anyway. /facepalm

Turning off the exp ensures that the old guard are the only ones who are capable of enjoying the box IMO so you are kind of arguing with yourself on this one big D.

There's a scaling bonus 1-50.

And yes, we get that people are quitting.We don't care. It's part of a larger plan to increase the population on Red 99. The crazy XP bonus you guys were getting absolutely had to come out, and be out for a few weeks, before anything new could be put in. You don't have to understand it right now, and we're ok with that.

I don't think there's a single staff member who's come here and said 'We are going to keep the 1-50 scaling bonus and do nothing else with XP.'

--

I'll tell you what they are going to see, regardless of whether you want them to or not. They're going to see 6 threads about XP, 700 posts about why the server is dead/dying, 5 threads calling person X an obese basement dwelling neckbeard faggot, 500 posts agree'ing/disagree'ing with that while also arguing for/against their side, and 1 thread about sektor getting banned.

They're going to see OOC, with 200 messages a day about stupid drama no one cares about except the people involved in it. 300 messages about why Lite has a dirty ass-whistle. 300 more messages about why Nizzar is a bluebie faggot, and 300 more messages about why Heartbrand actively sucks man penis for pixels.

If you guys want a box with people to PvP with, help us help you. Clean up this community. GUILD LEADERS (HEARTBRAND. lite. nizzar. chewie (lol)) lead by example. Put limits on your guild members in OOC and forumquest. Start talking about ways you can improve this community, instead of flaming the staff and telling everyone the box is dead.

We're putting in changes that are going to bring a lot of people over (YES, WE ARE INCREASING XP 1-60 FROM WHERE IT IS NOW. ERMAGAWHD I SAID IT). But once they get here, it's going to be up to you guys to make sure they stay.

This is going to happen soon. Not 6 months, not 3 months, soon. The time to make these changes in the way you all act is now. The ball is in your court, Red 99, and you don't have a lot of time to make the shot.

naw, was told to me in confidence so I won't say anything.

as to the second part about leading by example, I have advertised this server everywhere, recruited tons of people on red, powerleveled / put gear into them, donated to the server, etc., etc. but the decision to remove exp has killed the desire for people to log on here. I tried to sell the decision to my guild with the whole "changes are coming soon, it's ok bros, don't worry hold tight!" for over a month now, but now LoZ is out, spring is here, and people just don't care anymore. They've seen this from the staff before you were even on project 1999 time and time again. I did my best to sell the GM story but no one bought it. I have little I can do now other than politic on the forums for change, and for change NOW, not "Soon".

Didnt read anything in this thread tbh

I logged in for 3 hours yesterday, first time in a month. What did i see? "Pras staff" "Im back" "Rumble in the EJ jungle" which made me log my 60 sham and head there, shit like that. This thread has been golden with feedback througout, even fucking mostbitter is readable. What did we see on forums when weird theory crafting decisions arent being taken? Pras staff, im back, shit like that. Forums has been getting better and better in terms of people having something other to say than youre a faggot, no youre a faggot.

I dont even fucking read OOC most of the times, people dont quit because they dont like what goes on in the chat simulator window, they quit because theyre bored. Read this thread again, its chock full of the reasons why people quit.

Happy to see you state staff is not out to kill the box but from our perspective, it looks like its what youre trying to do, because the consequences of your actions are the opposite of what youre saying youre trying to do.

Imma hold on criticism for a while until i see what you have in store, but id keep some of that "Take a look in the mirror" shit in check, staff needs to shut it a bit on red pop criticism, read the feedback and start thinking about it. Yes we have a couple of hardcore trolls, weve already told you a million times solutions to it. Heres a solution: Instead of posting a darth vader video to troll a constructive feedback thread, how about you spend that time banning rellapse from the forums for saying in that same constructive thread that someones wife left him with his kid. Actively moderate the forums for shit like that, theres your solution.

share with us ideas you know of to bring people to the red server

not confirmations of things that are going to happen

but ideas that are being talked about

plz

I really take offense to this. What you guys DON'T see are the silent majority. Most of us don't flame in OOC or participate in forumquest or when we do we're generally nice about it. Most of us don't cheat. Most of us don't RMT.

The only difference between us and blue is they have a larger community and more donations flow in. How many accounts on blue were banned? I peruse those forums too and they talk even more crap then we do. I was part of that community from the very beginning, and know there's more underhanded bullshit going on there than most people even realize.

I have a freaking clean whistle and I know that most people in game are more like me and less like the dithering dipshits that ruin this game both blue and red.

You do what everyone else does. You take the vocal minority in OOC and the shitbags that spew garbage on the forums and think that represents R99 as a whole.

Start a freaking toon here. Ask people for help. See what the real community is about. Stop making judgements based on the bullshit you see in these forums. Join HB's guild and listen to how he leads, what he says, what he supports, and what he advocates on his site and then ask yourself what else can he do to try and clean things up? When people in your guild lie to your face about what they do what liability do you have?

Get more involved IN GAME and help us clean it up. We thank you all for your hard work...but we can't get rid of the scumbags without more involvement from you guys. And thinking what you see on these forums is any indication of what really goes on in the community is bullshit. And whether you care or not we've seen a crapload of decent people leave because of the XP nerf. The assholes could care less about XP. They're going to stay no matter what. You're definitely not driving any of them away. In the last week alone I've personally see 6 leveling friends leave, and at least one person that was banned reroll from 0. Good ratio, that.


The concurrent population on Red 99 was not high enough to justify "Legend" status, and it would be unfair to show favortism in the server list to Red 99 just because it's Nilbog and Rogean's box.
Quoted this, then posted:

http://s13.postimg.org/4gegcp8uf/asds.jpg

Could have easily broken 250 on red with the Velious build up, without xp nerf

Rogean nerfs xp, which everyone knows is going to cripple the pop, and then "Well you know how pop on red is, wouldnt be fair blablabla"

Sounds plausible

three of those servers have unlimited boxing on them

lol really huh, lets pick this apart

Grand creation: Boxing allowed? Confirmed
Hidden Forest: Boxing allowed? Confirmed

I mean it sounds fishy on its own, but if those 2 servers allow boxing, it looks even worse

Confirmation they allow boxing? (Edited confirms)

The plot thickens

One of my golden rule to build trust and good relations with people when i sell comic books is disclosure.

If i know that a comic has been tampered with (color touch, pressing, comic book geek stuff) i will always let the person know so he can make his decision to buy the book or not in full possession of the facts

So i dont ever need to get snappy at people because theyre calling me out on my bullshit

At this point I don't even care one way or the other about the exp rates, classic or boosted doesn't matter. But I would like to know what the plans for the box are, as of right now the future of R99 doesn't look too bright. But hey I could be wrong but we can't get any answers. I'm fine with just about any angle they take this server I'd just like to know the plans so I can decide whether or not to continue investing my time here or go to LoZ..

How to run a server:

1) Watch pop get to record heights
2) Watch 3 guilds thrive for first time ever
3) Watch tons of new players come
4) Quickly remove exp bonus at same time as velious beta and diablo 3 expac
5) The End

[Tradesonred]

There it is staff, your feedback, on a silver platter.

[Clark]

Xp is nerfed again? Wtf lol.

[Drakaris]

I'm telling you guys that Red is virtualised and that it is sharing virtual resources with the Beta server.

They just want to keep the pop low to not impact performance during beta testing because Velious consumes more resources, this is why none of the old world zones are available on Velious beta.

It is the only possible explanation I can think of.

[Fame]

Pras classic pras staff

[VincentVolaju]

There it is staff, your feedback, on a silver platter.

<3 you for previous post, saved me so much time.

[Tradesonred]

P.S. Sirken and Derubael youre fucking clueless, you couldnt figure out the state of the server and what needs to be done if it was hanging right in front of your nose. You act like you dont need any feedback and yet you come up with the stupidest shit to make the server "thrive". This isnt call of duty! Jesus

If its what i think it is though, then you guys are scumbags

so dumb or scum, whatever

Goodbye

[Agatha]

I don't mean to go against the grain but those 2 GM's are saints, and not to be blamed for any problems.


If you want to blame anyways, blame zade, i have heard he is the one who has caused this whole mess.

[Zoolander]

have faith!

obamachange.gif

[Tradesonred]

I don't mean to go against the grain but those 2 GM's are saints, and not to be blamed for any problems.


If you want to blame anyways, blame zade, i have heard he is the one who has caused this whole mess.

Derubael made a long post about why xp nerf was absolutely necessary and then Sirken comes barging in a thread 2 weeks later and says that Deru was the only one against the nerf, its so incredibly amateur and transparent, he thinks were all a bunch of idiots so they can feed us any kind of bullshit and well swallow it, its pathetic.

[Clark]

have faith!

[Agatha]

from my encounters with the said GM's in question i have never seen them make any kind of decision that they meant to purposely hurt the box, they have always worked in good faith, and that is good enough for me. And should be for you too. and I hope you realize that these GM's don't have final say on anything and when it comes to server policy being set they really are just a soundboard for the people who are really in charge.

[Tradesonred]

from my encounters with the said GM's in question i have never seen them make any kind of decision that they meant to purposely hurt the box, they have always worked in good faith, and that is good enough for me. And should be for you too. and I hope you realize that these GM's don't have final say on anything and when it comes to server policy being set they really are just a soundboard for the people who are really in charge.

Dude stop smoking pills, i just gave you a clear example

Theyre purposely hurting the box by making bold faced lies you can pick apart spending 5 seconds thinking about it. It breaks trust.

[Bazia]

You know ecoli you sure do spam the forums alot for someone with incredibly low playtime and experience actually on the server

[Danien]

asd

[Tradesonred]

You know ecoli you sure do spam the forums alot for someone with incredibly low playtime and experience actually on the server

Ive got the indignation button on a hair trigger, when i see an injustice my natural instinct is to jump on it and point it out.

Im in a group lawsuit against the downtown Montreal police because they arrested 500 of us protesting in an effort to clamp down on protests, when people started to get organized in 2012. Im publicly calling out the chief of that department out on his bullshit, thats the kind of guy i am.

So yea i got better things to do now than fight with staff when its clear things are going nowhere, you and chewie can carry on feeling hardcore on your 50 peak player server.

Spring, tis' the season of protests in Montreal

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/cms/binary/6671303.jpg?size=620x400s

[Danien]

Brief summary for those who thinks this thread is TLDR:

The server is in shambles and reports of people being blinded by rays of hope are spreading like wildfire. The future is bleak as what had appeared to forever be eternal darkness now surrendered ground to the light at an alarming rate:

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/119132/city-lights-building-night-1.jpg

The gods had forsaken the darkness for too long. The people seemed impervious to the darkness, the gods were forced to act swiftly:

https://lh5.ggpht.com/rFU8yQRG-ggfF-wQ1Jl5TuBVFtvdytXvkuLne_GmrkbjZEpRFJpXW7AZHsq3h4EZ ePc=h900-rw

The darkness rejoiced. The gods actions had once again hindered what appeared to be a bright future:

http://static.planetminecraft.com/files/resource_media/screenshot/1135/post-apocalyptic-city_380115.jpg

[Tecmos Deception]

We'll just have to hope for

http://smokeslair.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/The-Fire-Phoenix.jpg

etc.

[Derubael]

P.S. Sirken and Derubael youre fucking clueless, you couldnt figure out the state of the server and what needs to be done if it was hanging right in front of your nose. You act like you dont need any feedback and yet you come up with the stupidest shit to make the server "thrive". This isnt call of duty! Jesus

If its what i think it is though, then you guys are scumbags

so dumb or scum, whatever

Goodbye

Goodbye. Don't come back.

[heartbrand]

Goodbye. Don't come back.

Unfortunately, the majority of my guild took that advice.

[Tassador]

The bluebirds fly back north for the summer.

[Derubael]

Unfortunately, the majority of my guild took that advice.

Sorry to hear that HB. I'm sure they'll be back.

[Zoolander]

Sorry to hear that HB. I'm sure they'll be back.

because of the upcoming changes rite ? tell us more ! :D

[heartbrand]

I mean I'm sure with the bans to Cyren / Sektorxx / Kilkur / Brea / Exed / Waspnado / Croup, who had zero to do with RMT and can't get even a response to their petition thread, a group exp bonus that won't help new players rolling on this server whatsoever as there will still be no groups, the demotion of the server to preferred status, Rogean openly admitting he doesn't care about this server, Summer on the way, multiple other big game launches taking place, etc., etc., that Red99 is just about to turn the corner and hit 200 pop.

[heartbrand]

It's just frustrating, and I know you don't care Derubael or at least you think this was "needed." But, for many of us, we had 3 guilds all competing, a THRIVING low level and mid level game, groups around the clock, we had surpassed 200 + pop, we had a 100 man fight in Dreadlands over Gorenaire, and then suddenly the solution was "let's remove exp and bring the pop down to 20 because long term this will make the server better."

Result so far? One guild dead, likely will return to a one guild server, pop back down to 20 during day time hours [and likely less who are actually @ the keyboard], etc, etc. I get that this post will do nothing to change that now, the damage has been done. I get that you have stated you don't care those people quit. Just voicing my frustration. I think we had something special here and it was destroyed.

Oh well, it's just a video game, a free one @ that.

[Sektor]

HB thanks for trying and making Red Dawn fun. My SK is 22 and my god even with help its hard to level. Oh well.

[Andis]

may RD RIP - was doomed from the start with a leader so weak it was disgusting

like I said in previous posts welcome the players in Azrael and Nihilum respectively

and of course, welcome back Heartbrand to Nihilum - his true belonging from the start

you live and you learn people, the choices you make are a big part of guild survivability

let it rip

[Faerie]

I mean I'm sure with the bans to Cyren / Sektorxx / Kilkur / Brea / Exed / Waspnado / Croup, who had zero to do with RMT and can't get even a response to their petition thread, a group exp bonus that won't help new players rolling on this server whatsoever as there will still be no groups, the demotion of the server to preferred status, Rogean openly admitting he doesn't care about this server, Summer on the way, multiple other big game launches taking place, etc., etc., that Red99 is just about to turn the corner and hit 200 pop.

It's a shame that a few selfish RMTers got so many RD banned :(

[XiakenjaTZ]

I really don't want a one guild server even if I am in the one guild.

It has been proven that Nihilum can't really get it together without Nizzar at the helm (kind of how Azrael acts when Lite is not around).

My ideas:

Get two solid guilds PVPing for raid loots (we are almost there on this one)
Put in the full group XP bonus back like we used to get solo (you can make solo XP suck still)
Let us have the hybrid penalty gone a bit early (gone in Velious anyway)
Limit global OOC with a timer per character (1 per minute) and the location from where they are speaking displayed (surprised no one thought of this till so recently)
Put in a real in game leaderboard that is not edited by the guild running it.
Fix it so that there are negative points for zone plugging, and yes this would hurt Azrael more.
Reduce PvP level range sub 52 to +/-4.

Other more radical idea:

You have one TRUE P1999 that tries to stay exactly like it was originally. Just give up in that idea for Red99 (you already have to some extent already) and put in the tweaks and fixes that Sony should have all along.

Badger

[RoguePhantom]

may RD RIP - was doomed from the start with a leader so weak it was disgusting

like I said in previous posts welcome the players in Azrael and Nihilum respectively

and of course, welcome back Heartbrand to Nihilum - his true belonging from the start

you live and you learn people, the choices you make are a big part of guild survivability

let it rip

HB did more for the Box than you could ever hope to do, even if you quit and saved us from your idiocy.

[heartbrand]

RD was always built with the goal of being able to do big things in Velious. That didn't mean Vulak'Aerr necessarily, but it did mean some of the easier NToV dragons, WToV, Dain, etc. That required a raid force of 40 at a bare minimum of perfect class composition, 55~ ideally. Unfortunately, when Azrael decided it would return / unretire or whatever you would like to call it, that removed the majority of 60's from Red Dawn. That by itself wouldn't have necessarily been awful, if not for the fact we had lost members previously due to our merging / alliance with them, and then a week later the removal the exp bonus. That essentially killed our ability to recruit fresh blood to build with. This led to the level 60's in the guild getting tired of waiting for all the new players to level up, and one by one taking the easier road to fun mass pvp and pixels.

If I thought there was a chance that RD and AZ could have worked together in Velious to down PVE raid targets, I would of stuck it out. Unfortunately, there was no chance of that ever happening. The two guilds had completely different philosophies. One was a guild with a PVE focus to kill big dragons, the other was a guild built upon denying Nihilum dragons. My opinion is that such a philosophy is unsustainable in Velious, and that this will become a one guild server again. I don't think that's optimal for the server, but I did my best to change that, brought a lot of new people here, and once Red Dawn hit a wall, I didn't think it was right to keep people hanging around out of pure loyalty to the tag. I'd rather let them go join Az or Nilly and enjoy the game.

c u in thurgain

[Andis]

HB did more for the Box than you could ever hope to do, even if you quit and saved us from your idiocy.

yosto please spare us - feedling nihilum more members, not something this box needs

play here first, then you can talk bud

till then stfu

[RoguePhantom]

ya ok yosto, do you even play here?

k

Yup, I do.

[Kergan]

Andis is easily the most worthless poster on the forums, don't give him the satisfaction of a response. Dude does nothing but attack people and adds zero value to any meaningful discussion.

[Andis]

Yup, I do.

good to know you were in RD, hiding

keep talking like you know whats going on then

[RoguePhantom]

good to know you were in RD, hiding

keep talking like you know whats going on then

I know more than you think, Come on Son.

[Andis]

Andis is easily the most worthless poster on the forums, don't give him the satisfaction of a response. Dude does nothing but attack people and adds zero value to any meaningful discussion.

coming from kergan

one of biggest laughing stocks on these forums

your tears are delicious

[Kergan]

Hey look another attack, shocked. At least squeeze in something funny/witty now and then like Lite and Colgate.

[Twainz]

may RD RIP - was doomed from the start with a leader so weak it was disgusting

like I said in previous posts welcome the players in Azrael and Nihilum respectively

and of course, welcome back Heartbrand to Nihilum - his true belonging from the start

you live and you learn people, the choices you make are a big part of guild survivability

let it rip

Andis, you're a little bitch. Have you ever said anything constructive on this forum or are you always just a scumbag to everyone? Get a grip dude, its just a game. Heartbrand did something you didn't have the balls to do, help others. You're a selfish little brat and you seriously need to do some reflecting. Normally, I don't care about people shit talking each other, I enjoy it myself. But you can't honestly come here and talk shit about what HB did. He did exactly what his members wanted him to do. He helped them level, helped them gear and helped them raid dragons. Lite fucked over RD and HB would have to be insane to want to ally with someone that has backstabbed him multiple times. HB did what was right for his guild and the exp nerf ruined it.

I'm pretty sad that RD is gone but there is nothing we can do to fix it. Hopefully the GMs see what they are doing and tell Rogean shit needs to change.

[ghostofsnufz]

Andis tiny Xavior is a joke.

HB is a saint, GMs have purposely killed Red... HB sees it, Nizzar sees it, ya'll need to wake up and stop logging into this shitbox.

They are pulling the plug officially on June 16th anyways.

[Andis]

damn twainz relax its just a sow sword

you will get one soon

you cant be that mad about it, its just a game remember

and what heartbrand did? he sucked nizzars nuts, lost his guilds self respect, pls dont preach on these forums twainz

stick to what you do best, losing in pvp

[heartbrand]

Andis tiny Xavior is a joke.

HB is a saint, GMs have purposely killed Red... HB sees it, Nizzar sees it, ya'll need to wake up and stop logging into this shitbox.

They are pulling the plug officially on June 16th anyways.

This is Dongshow correct? Gnome Rogue?

[Smedy]

so many delicious tears on here lately, el presidente getting best pixel in kubark clearly not good for server

[Nirgon]

Andis tiny Xavior is a joke.

HB is a saint, GMs have purposely killed Red... HB sees it, Nizzar sees it, ya'll need to wake up and stop logging into this shitbox.

They are pulling the plug officially on June 16th anyways.

I will accept this as a <Forum Quest> application despite the fact you have submitted it in the incorrect forum.

[LulzSect]

The Doctor has spoken.

[Vile]

Man, that's almost like an invite... pras FQ

[Imago]

They are pulling the plug officially on June 16th anyways.

no, OP is moran. Red is not getting shut down. don't listen to the Butthurt.

Troll.

[Twainz]

damn twainz relax its just a sow sword

you will get one soon

you cant be that mad about it, its just a game remember

and what heartbrand did? he sucked nizzars nuts, lost his guilds self respect, pls dont preach on these forums twainz

stick to what you do best, losing in pvp

I forgot how dumb you are. Did HB suck Nizzar off like you sucked Lite off? I don't really care about loot at this point. I'm rocking bis except two items from PD. This was about you talking shit about what HB did to keep his guild alive. He did 100x more for this server then your greedy ass ever has. I will defend HB til the end for this. Some people hurt the server but HB did his best to help the server for ungrateful people like you. You say pras PvP, pras Yt and pras the resistance all the time. What you don't seem to understand is that HB was one of the people that fought hard to make what we had going a possibility. Did he mess up a few times? Sure. But you cannot deny what he did for this server on the past couple months.

[Rellapse36]

tldr fatboy is mad

[Andis]

what heartbrand did was attempt to build a pve army, that would ultimately end up in Nihilum. It is what is happening right now. The people who like to pvp are coming to Azrael, and the people who like to jerk off to dragons rather than pvp are going to Nihilum.

again stop preaching, please, HB did nothing but fail for the second time at being a leader

since day 1, I have been fighting nihilum, no one changed that, not even lite. I stay true to my roots, unlike your scum ass who flip flops per month (@ twainz)

[freez]

twainz go loot your corpse in tt




good fight tho, wasnt it like 18 deaths nihi to about 5 az?




sucks we got a free trak tho. nihi crumbling. luls

[freez]

also twainz take notes



since day 1, I have been fighting nihilum, no one changed that, not even lite. I stay true to my roots, unlike your scum ass who flip flops per month


i can say the same.



pras the internet spines

[Bkab]

Why can't we just get along pals

[heartbrand]

what heartbrand did was attempt to build a pve army, that would ultimately end up in Nihilum. It is what is happening right now. The people who like to pvp are coming to Azrael, and the people who like to jerk off to dragons rather than pvp are going to Nihilum.

again stop preaching, please, HB did nothing but fail for the second time at being a leader

since day 1, I have been fighting nihilum, no one changed that, not even lite. I stay true to my roots, unlike your scum ass who flip flops per month (@ twainz)

I don't know why I'm taking the bait here from someone who is isn't too bright. EQ is a PvE based game. In Velious, all the skill in the world won't matter against Primal Weapons / NToV gear, 50+ Damage two handers, 200+ all resists, etc. In order to get those items, you need a core of 50+ people of correct class composition who are willing to learn PVE and spend significant time doing it. Azrael isn't that guild, and unfortunately Red Dawn could not field the numbers in order to be that guild either. Sure, you can clean up the z squad right now 20 months into Kunark when the entire Nihilum core is bored waiting for Velious, but on day 1 when you see 85+ Nihilum online I will be awaiting your tears on the forums about how unfair the "zerg" is, as you bleed members who want PVE upgrades and the guild dies. Just remember that day, that you had ample opportunities to build a hybrid guild that both focused on PVE and PVP, that could have fielded 60+ as well.

Regardless, I have zero regrets, I made lots of friends, and continue to talk to them. #VideoGame.

[Tassador]

Dry scalp is a fucking bitch. I may not be using the right shampoo. Never happened until I stopped buying head and shoulders due to cancer research.

[Zalaerian]

I don't know why I'm taking the bait here from someone who is isn't too bright. EQ is a PvE based game. In Velious, all the skill in the world won't matter against Primal Weapons / NToV gear, 50+ Damage two handers, 200+ all resists, etc. In order to get those items, you need a core of 50+ people of correct class composition who are willing to learn PVE and spend significant time doing it. Azrael isn't that guild, and unfortunately Red Dawn could not field the numbers in order to be that guild either. Sure, you can clean up the z squad right now 20 months into Kunark when the entire Nihilum core is bored waiting for Velious, but on day 1 when you see 85+ Nihilum online I will be awaiting your tears on the forums about how unfair the "zerg" is, as you bleed members who want PVE upgrades and the guild dies. Just remember that day, that you had ample opportunities to build a hybrid guild that both focused on PVE and PVP, that could have fielded 60+ as well.

Regardless, I have zero regrets, I made lots of friends, and continue to talk to them. #VideoGame.

The emp telling it how it is.

[Andis]

I don't know why I'm taking the bait here from someone who is isn't too bright. Azrael isn't that guild seems to be quite the popular sentence. Azrael isn't that guild who could kill Druusk, Azrael isnt that guild that can take Phara Dar with 18. Azrael isn't that guild? Please bro, like I said from the beginning, thanks for the new apps who are worth a shit, the rest can go to Nihilum

see everyone in thurgadin, including heartbrands ass in nihilum

and in case it isnt clear

azrael is recruiting, limited time

azraelpvp.org

[Bkab]

I kinda took a break from rd and came back with azrael. I respect what hb tried to do for the server he put up with a lot of shit and a lot of disloyalty. We knock him about the nizzar trade alliance thing but honestly given the state of the server hb was one of the best players you could have for recruiting people and actually caring helping ppl lvl and get pixels they otherwise would never see and never caused grief. I'll see you in thurgaydin pal I can't blame you for quitting honestly I would have quit a loong time ago had I had to deal with the bs you have.

[Twainz]

what heartbrand did was attempt to build a pve army, that would ultimately end up in Nihilum. It is what is happening right now. The people who like to pvp are coming to Azrael, and the people who like to jerk off to dragons rather than pvp are going to Nihilum.

again stop preaching, please, HB did nothing but fail for the second time at being a leader

since day 1, I have been fighting nihilum, no one changed that, not even lite. I stay true to my roots, unlike your scum ass who flip flops per month (@ twainz)

The whole flip flop statement is dumb. This is a game, play with the people you want to play with. If you aren't having fun, switch sides or quit.

[heartbrand]

Phara Dar
Race: Lava Dragon
Class: Cleric
Level: 66
Stats
AC: 559
HP: 32000
Damage per hit: 360 - 800


Lord Vyemm
Race: Velious Dragons
Class: Paladin
Level: 66
Stats
AC: 615
HP: ~400k
Damage per hit: 387 - 1162
Attacks per round: 3 or 4?
Special: Enrage, Summon, Immune to Flee, Uncharmable, Unfearable, Unsnareable, Unmezzable, Unstunable, See Invis, See Hide
Every 12 seconds, Scream of Chaos is cast from an unknown source (a knockback in the direction Lord Vyemm is currently facing)

[Andis]

The whole flip flop statement is dumb. This is a game, play with the people you want to play with. If you aren't having fun, switch sides or quit.

truth hurts, this is the reality in an elf sim, take it like a man

[Faerie]

Dry scalp is a fucking bitch. I may not be using the right shampoo. Never happened until I stopped buying head and shoulders due to cancer research.

How long is your hair? If it's short like most guy's hair is, just stop using shampoo and conditioner entirely. Scrubbing it in the shower each day with plain water is good enough, and your scalp won't be stripped of all its healthy oils every single day.

For a bit your head will be overproducing oil because its used to compensating for the damage caused by shampoo, but in a month you'll have the best hair of your life.

[Tassador]

How long is your hair? If it's short like most guy's hair is, just stop using shampoo and conditioner entirely. Plain scrubbing it in the shower each day with plain water is good enough, and your scalp won't be stripped of all its healthy oils every single day.

For a bit your head will be overproducing oil because its used to compensating to the damage caused by shampoo, but in a month you'll have the best hair of your life.

Yep short hair. Going to try that but, may be hard cause my saying is if you don't look good try to smell good. Like dang that guy smells awesome!!!!

[Faerie]

Yep short hair. Going to try that but, may be hard cause my saying is if you don't look good try to smell good. Like dang that guy smells awesome!!!!

Buy essential oils, dilute with water in a small spray bottle. Win.

[vouss]

Lets be honest here, Azrael is no doubt a PVP orientated guild, but we are honestly probably the best PvE guild,to be in at,the moment. Take for example... 18 people, 45 minutes to kill druushk from Batphone to slaying. Or 45 people taking 2 and a half hours to kill Silverwing. Azrael is just all around full of better players then Nihilim currently, in both PvE and PvP. Literally nothing but warmbodies left in Nihilum.

[Andis]

Lets be honest here, Azrael is no doubt a PVP orientated guild, but we are honestly probably the best PvE guild,to be in at,the moment. Take for example... 18 people, 45 minutes to kill druushk from Batphone to slaying. Or 45 people taking 2 and a half hours to kill Silverwing. Azrael is just all around full of better players then Nihilim currently, in both PvE and PvP. Literally nothing but warmbodies left in Nihilum.

preach

hard work pays off

suck it bitches

[Faerie]

Also, consider buying a water filter for your shower. Chlorine and stuff is terrible for skin.

[Twainz]

Lets be honest here, Azrael is no doubt a PVP orientated guild, but we are honestly probably the best PvE guild,to be in at,the moment. Take for example... 18 people, 45 minutes to kill druushk from Batphone to slaying. Or 45 people taking 2 and a half hours to kill Silverwing. Azrael is just all around full of better players then Nihilim currently, in both PvE and PvP. Literally nothing but warmbodies left in Nihilum.

Melee dps is sick. You guys have a great comp for PvP and the current PvE. We currently have people barely logging on so we are forced to raid with a bunch of crap dps casters and 3-4 melee dps. Melees are great because they don't pull much agro. Casters suck when you have to wait half the fight to start burning nukes. It's going to be fun when your strat wipes your whole raid in Velious. :D

[Sektor]

Azrael has plenty of non melee alts.

[Twainz]

Azrael has plenty of non melee alts.

Isn't Azrael comprised of 50% druid rerolls? :D

[HippoNipple]

The server is truly at a loss by losing HB. The only person I have seen with the time, in game resources and PvE knowledge to build something from nothing this far into the server.

I have always liked Azrael's spirit and dedication to competition but I have never seen anyone with a long term vision I would be excited about joining up with. Sounds like a fun guild to have fun in the now though.

The statement Jibekn made in a joking matter, although probably true to some extent, is that he is already bored with the PvE and doesn't know how long he can stay excited about the PvE. This is the awkward position Azrael is always in. Either they are a second tier guild and always have targets or if they do take over as the number one guild they will grief the other guilds off the server and become bored themselves.

Azrael is like the joker from batman, you can compare them to a dog chasing a car, once they catch the car they don't know what to do with it. You can't ultimately win in PvE on EQ, it goes on forever, but if your goal is to destroy all other guilds and you finally win then there is nothing left to do. Azrael's only motivation to get gear is to use it to destroy Nihilum but if Nihilum isn't getting all the pixels they want, they won't be playing.

[Genedin]

I use Dr.Bronners shampoo like once every 3-4 days. Keeps my shit amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/5gRYCrS.jpg?1

[heartbrand]

They prolly gonna try and bard kite tormax w melee train

Or stack FR gear on an Mr dragon

Amirite

what's a tormax? that some sort of orc in everfrost?

[Kergan]

Azrael's only motivation to get gear is to use it to destroy Nihilum but if Nihilum isn't getting all the pixels they want, they won't be playing.

Honestly, Azrael really has no effect on what we do or who plays. People know winter is coming and are getting in their breaks before some defcon 1 level of immersion kicks in for a lot of us. We still field a raid force capable of killing any target, though.

The benefit to all of this is watching Azrael become the relative zerg. Their neckbeards grow a little more each day.

[Tassador]

Also, consider buying a water filter for your shower. Chlorine and stuff is terrible for skin.

I heard hit water was bad also. I will try the filter but I need a lot of pressure in my shower.

[Drakaris]

The server is truly at a loss by losing HB. The only person I have seen with the time, in game resources and PvE knowledge to build something from nothing this far into the server.

I have always liked Azrael's spirit and dedication to competition but I have never seen anyone with a long term vision I would be excited about joining up with. Sounds like a fun guild to have fun in the now though.

The statement Jibekn made in a joking matter, although probably true to some extent, is that he is already bored with the PvE and doesn't know how long he can stay excited about the PvE. This is the awkward position Azrael is always in. Either they are a second tier guild and always have targets or if they do take over as the number one guild they will grief the other guilds off the server and become bored themselves.

Azrael is like the joker from batman, you can compare them to a dog chasing a car, once they catch the car they don't know what to do with it. You can't ultimately win in PvE on EQ, it goes on forever, but if your goal is to destroy all other guilds and you finally win then there is nothing left to do. Azrael's only motivation to get gear is to use it to destroy Nihilum but if Nihilum isn't getting all the pixels they want, they won't be playing.


Nailed it, r99 will be going through another period of decline until velious.

[Fame]

Whole thread makes me sad and flaccid

[thugcruncher]

Whole thread makes me sad and flaccid

[Humerox]

The server is truly at a loss by losing HB. The only person I have seen with the time, in game resources and PvE knowledge to build something from nothing this far into the server.

I have always liked Azrael's spirit and dedication to competition but I have never seen anyone with a long term vision I would be excited about joining up with. Sounds like a fun guild to have fun in the now though.

The statement Jibekn made in a joking matter, although probably true to some extent, is that he is already bored with the PvE and doesn't know how long he can stay excited about the PvE. This is the awkward position Azrael is always in. Either they are a second tier guild and always have targets or if they do take over as the number one guild they will grief the other guilds off the server and become bored themselves.

Azrael is like the joker from batman, you can compare them to a dog chasing a car, once they catch the car they don't know what to do with it. You can't ultimately win in PvE on EQ, it goes on forever, but if your goal is to destroy all other guilds and you finally win then there is nothing left to do. Azrael's only motivation to get gear is to use it to destroy Nihilum but if Nihilum isn't getting all the pixels they want, they won't be playing.



sad

[dethbringre]

I feel like my future on Red is in limbo right now, basically its on hold until this big announcement from the GMs thats supposed to be happening soon. I'll make my decision after the big news on whether or not I'll continue playing.

Sure I'll log on from time to time to get status updates, but as far as putting in any major time or effort, I'm not sure I can do that with the current state.

Just my opinion.

[vouss]

Lol twainz and kergan you guys serious or dumb? nihilum still shows up with as much or more people then us, still batphone 25 man + b-team 12 on a weekday for lady vox (tune, hash tag, ect ect). Dormant with 35 people @ every raid mob

[HippoNipple]

Honestly, Azrael really has no effect on what we do or who plays. People know winter is coming and are getting in their breaks before some defcon 1 level of immersion kicks in for a lot of us. We still field a raid force capable of killing any target, though.

The benefit to all of this is watching Azrael become the relative zerg. Their neckbeards grow a little more each day.

Nihilum has always cared since day 1. I don't buy that they don't care for 1 minute right now. I do think they have a bunch of spoiled babies like Elderan that would rage quit if he couldn't win all the dragons he wanted for a sustained period of time though.

Nihilum has always had people burn out over the last 2 years but there has always been a group strong enough to easily stay number 1. Nihilum's current crew is by far the weakest it has ever been compared to the competition since Holocaust banning.

[quido]

I thought it was hysterical that the first leaderboard outage due to unadulterated rage coincided with this first being a big issue.

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/obamasite.jpg

[vouss]

Nihilum has always had people burn out over the last 2 years but there has always been a group strong enough to easily stay number 1. Nihilum's current crew is by far the weakest it has ever been compared to the competition since Holocaust banning.

^^^^ To many warmbody recruits in the spotlight now, not enough good players

[Colgate]

really tells you something about the current crew when theyre considered to be in shambles due to the absence of awful players like nizzar, thrilla, handpartytowel, etc.

[fiegi 8.0]

taking bets on how long it takes for half of red dawn to tag nilly ........ (again)

[HippoNipple]

taking bets on how long it takes for half of red dawn to tag nilly ........ (again)

Probably as long as it takes for the other half to join Azrael....... (again)

[Xantille]

taking bets on how long it takes for half of red dawn to tag nilly ........ (again)

naw

[cries4hardcore]

Damn, guys are pissed. Join blue, admit defeat.

[Kergan]

Nihilum has always cared since day 1. I don't buy that they don't care for 1 minute right now. I do think they have a bunch of spoiled babies like Elderan that would rage quit if he couldn't win all the dragons he wanted for a sustained period of time though.

Nihilum has always had people burn out over the last 2 years but there has always been a group strong enough to easily stay number 1. Nihilum's current crew is by far the weakest it has ever been compared to the competition since Holocaust banning.

I never said we didn't care. At some point though everyone burns out. How many times has the current Azrael crew taken a break? Even at our weakest we could take down any mob, can any other guild say that? It just happens to coincide with Azrael coming at us with engines redlined, a massive exp nerf and a couple popular IP mmos being released.

It's temporary is my point. We might have a 50 man crew on Sunday who knows.

[Kergan]

really tells you something about the current crew when theyre considered to be in shambles due to the absence of awful players like nizzar, thrilla, handpartytowel, etc.

Colgate truthfully everyone you mentioned is above average or better and you know it. I don't care if you're the best player ever to grace EQ that doesn't make everyone else bad.

[Kergan]

^^^^ To many warmbody recruits in the spotlight now, not enough good players

If by "not good" you mean a lot of under geared mid to high 50s apps without a lot of time to play together yet I guess I'd agree. Still doesn't mean they are bad players.

[Fame]

C-c-c-combo!

[Colgate]

Colgate truthfully everyone you mentioned is above average or better and you know it. I don't care if you're the best player ever to grace EQ that doesn't make everyone else bad.

nizzar is legitimately one of the worst melee players i've ever encountered, having best in slot(which goes a long way for monks) and abusing every exploit the server has to offer doesn't make you good

thrilla is the kind of player who will routinely sit there and try to cast sunstrike with a tstaff monk wailing away on him; no good player will do that

handpartytowel is a talentless hacker; there's nothing more to him

[Vile]

azrael get me dat rogue epic mq naw mean?

[Faerie]

I use Dr.Bronners shampoo like once every 3-4 days. Keeps my shit amazing.

http://i.imgur.com/5gRYCrS.jpg?1

I hear good things about this stuff. My routine is simple and cheap while working amazingly well... 1-2 times a week (whenever it starts looking too greasy) I do the baking soda then apple cider vinegar thing. Every now and then I treat with coconut oil for amazing softness.

[Heywood]

handpartytowel is a talentless hacker; there's nothing more to him

http://i.imgur.com/XBqQEGq.jpg

[Musetii]

http://i.imgur.com/XBqQEGq.jpg

Lmao

[Smedy]

handpartytowel is a talentless hacker; there's nothing more to him

http://i.imgur.com/hWDwf.gif

[Swish]

handpartytowel is a talentless hacker; there's nothing more to him

http://media.giphy.com/media/ZHkVpDiI3vIiY/giphy.gif

[sprinkle16]

50 pages wow , wonder what was on them !