The official RMTer Goodbye P1999 Thread

[nwin]

Is there a way for the GM's/Rogean to tell just how much plat is on the server to see if they are making a substantial dent in the total of money spread over the server with these waves of bans for RMT?

While I know this isn't the endgoal, I'm just curious if we'll ever start to see some adjustments to the economy from this.

[quido]

So who actually got and remains banned? CMON SOMEONE SPILL THE BEANS

[smedlysmom14]

I think whenever an account is flagged for RMT they should be warned every time they log in and only get 1 warning. That way people aren't shocked when they get banned 3 months down the road, while also preventing RMT from flourishing.

The best way to stop RMT isn't by watching them do it and banning them, but from preventing them from doing it in the first place.

[loramin]

I think whenever an account is flagged for RMT they should be warned every time they log in and only get 1 warning.
So they get warned every time, but only once ... doesn't that mean they only get warned the first time?

That way people aren't shocked when they get banned 3 months down the road, while also preventing RMT from flourishing.
Them being shocked is a good thing. Why would you want to make things easier on the people who break the rules and ruin the server economy?

The best way to stop RMT isn't by watching them do it and banning them, but from preventing them from doing it in the first place.
I'm sure if they could the GMs would prevent all RMT, but obviously they can't. All they can do is keep an eye out for suspicious activity, then research it when they find it ... it's not like they just magically know someone is an RMTer in an instant.

[BigHurb]

fox in the henhouse all along u fools

[YendorLootmonkey]

I think whenever an account is flagged for RMT they should be warned every time they log in and only get 1 warning.

They got one warning. It was in the Getting Started link they would have clicked on to, you know, get started here. Why would they require additional warnings beyond that?

[Champion_Standing]

I think whenever an account is flagged for RMT they should be warned every time they log in and only get 1 warning. That way people aren't shocked when they get banned 3 months down the road, while also preventing RMT from flourishing.

The best way to stop RMT isn't by watching them do it and banning them, but from preventing them from doing it in the first place.

I think that they should flag it by immediately banning it. If people saw their buddies who RMTed dropping one by one around them on a weekly or even daily basis that would be a far better deterrent than ban waves every 3-6 months. By the time the next crop of newbies starts up these threads will be long locked and buried, if they got an insta ban these threads would be here regularly as warnings.

[Hamorrhoid]

I played quite a while back and levelled to 60, then quit for a time. After a few months I had that urge we all have to see EQ again, so I rerolled. I took the RMT shortcut, the whole time knowing the possible outcome, and I am not mad or upset about it. I accepted that risk so I could be a kobold slaying badass for a brief time.

I don't think I am a bad person for doing it, although there is much less accomplishment involved.... and no one thinks "Man I can't wait to screw over the server, its economy, and population by buying plats!"

Anyhoo, come-uppance received, and I can honestly say that I will miss the P99 community. Sorry for contributing to a machine that hurt the server.

XOXO

[smedlysmom14]

So they get warned every time, but only once ... doesn't that mean they only get warned the first time?


Them being shocked is a good thing. Why would you want to make things easier on the people who break the rules and ruin the server economy?


I'm sure if they could the GMs would prevent all RMT, but obviously they can't. All they can do is keep an eye out for suspicious activity, then research it when they find it ... it's not like they just magically know someone is an RMTer in an instant.

I guess you're right, there's really no way they can flag an account or give you a warning. Maybe they can just suspend accounts right away, investigate and then ban if they're found to be RMTing. Just so they there's not some 3 to 4 months lingering period where it goes on. That way people know they're watching, and wont attempt it. Keeping people like Platlord from doing business if not to a minimal amount.

I got one question though, what would the actions be if a friend gave another friend 100k, or a fungi, or a cloak of flames to start out with? How is that differentiated from RMT?

[BigHurb]

since its impossible to play without corruption, im just not gonna play. easy.

the same logic almost led me to suicide but there is a key difference, see if you can find it!

[loramin]

I got one question though, what would the actions be if a friend gave another friend 100k, or a fungi, or a cloak of flames to start out with? How is that differentiated from RMT?

Short answer: the GMs have their way.

Longer answer: I think it's all about context. One person transferring a high value item in exchange for nothing isn't going to to be considered RMT, but if the GMs see the same guy giving lots of items/plat amounts to various other players they've never even met, they know something is up.

since its impossible to play without corruption
What? It's not only possible, it's very easy: don't RMT. That's it.

[Leeyuuduu]

I got one question though, what would the actions be if a friend gave another friend 100k, or a fungi, or a cloak of flames to start out with? How is that differentiated from RMT?

One of the ways the GMs probably pulled this off was to have a sting-type operation where one of the GMs actually purchased plat on the site, met the RMTer in-game, opened up his account info/logs afterwards, and then went after every person this RMTer did business with, and then the people who did business with those who received stuff from the RMTer.

So I think the differentiation would be if your account or your items can be traced back to a dirty source or not.

[Lirkci_Prexus]

Thanks p99 for the experience! Was fun while it lasted!

Holepoker 46th Rogue

[Taffan]

Need IP bans, imho.

[rideponies]

IP bans are a joke, anyone with google can get around an IP ban fairly quickly.

[khanable]

I'm behind 9 proxies

ban me bro

[weezilla]

I think whenever an account is flagged for RMT they should be warned every time they log in and only get 1 warning. That way people aren't shocked when they get banned 3 months down the road, while also preventing RMT from flourishing.

The best way to stop RMT isn't by watching them do it and banning them, but from preventing them from doing it in the first place.

I agree. Even to ban immediately. But waiting several months to do bans just lets RMT flourish, lets people who just spent money get addicted for several months, and allows said platinum to disperse through the server. I would have been pissed, but less pissed if I had been banned a week or two after the purchase (or even the day of).

[Ahldagor]

I agree. Even to ban immediately. But waiting several months to do bans just lets RMT flourish, lets people who just spent money get addicted for several months, and allows said platinum to disperse through the server. I would have been pissed, but less pissed if I had been banned a week or two after the purchase (or even the day of).

that level of pissing off the rmter would motivate my patience and keep doing massive bans

[Glenzig]

I agree. Even to ban immediately. But waiting several months to do bans just lets RMT flourish, lets people who just spent money get addicted for several months, and allows said platinum to disperse through the server. I would have been pissed, but less pissed if I had been banned a week or two after the purchase (or even the day of).

Wouldn't matter. People would still have a problem with it, and whine and complain and protest their innocence. They do it their way. It seems to be working.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I agree. Even to ban immediately. But waiting several months to do bans just lets RMT flourish, lets people who just spent money get addicted for several months, and allows said platinum to disperse through the server. I would have been pissed, but less pissed if I had been banned a week or two after the purchase (or even the day of).

Multiple small bans = people getting let on to the strategy they use for detection.

Large ban = QQ forum post impotent rage

[grosen333]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

[evan1612]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

anyone have the Fry not sure if stupid or just trolling pic?

[Ahldagor]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

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[Archestratie]

Why would people banned for RMT be not only allowed, but even encouraged to make a new account and start again? People who are too lazy to play classic EQ like classic EQ aren't going to stop on their next try, they are going to be more sneaky about it.

Wake the fuck up, these people are toxic to any real MMO community and economy.

-Zage Themage

Um. RMTs went on all the time in Classic EQ. I'm not advocating them for P99, clearly. I do believe it would be toxic (and maybe legally dangerous) for P99. I'm just saying that not having RMTs is non-Classic.

[Kekephee]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

This guy's right my mind has been opened

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

Wasn't convinced at first but then I noticed it was all caps so I changed my mind.

CSB

[tizznyres]

Um. RMTs went on all the time in Classic EQ. I'm not advocating them for P99, clearly. I do believe it would be toxic (and maybe legally dangerous) for P99. I'm just saying that not having RMTs is non-Classic.

Very true, RMT has existed in every online RPG with an economy, and likely will always exist. But so has swift justice for offenders.

In retrospect my comment was pretty rude, and I'm not even sure who I was addressing it to other than the P99 team, whom I have tremendous respect for, as they've helped give me hundreds of hours of great gaming...

Guess my comment was more that it doesn't make any sense to welcome back people who are commonly agreed to be toxic to a community, especially in a thread filled with admitted SINNERS.

[Hamorrhoid]

I also KS'd a black bear.

[Nocsucow]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

Lmao this is one of the best epic rages on forums... and all this because " his friend" got banned........haha

[JPMorgan]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

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[Hamorrhoid]

Just out of curiosity, can anyone give one example of an item that has gone UP in price? (Excluding fungi due to King pull-nerf). I can accept anger towards RMT but inflation-based economy reasons are kinda bologna...

[Enxienty]

RMT does nothing to the economy as stuff is just being circulated, its not like duping or exploiting where items / plat is coming non - legitimate ways. It just simply gives an unfair advantage to others who do not RMT

[BigHurb]

RMT killed Jesus Christ of Nazareth the only Begotten Son of Our Lord Father in Heaven Above

[Nocsucow]

RMT killed Jesus Christ of Nazareth the only Begotten Son of Our Lord Father in Heaven Above



Prove it

[Nadril]

RMT does nothing to the economy as stuff is just being circulated, its not like duping or exploiting where items / plat is coming non - legitimate ways. It just simply gives an unfair advantage to others who do not RMT

Basically yes. Everyone complains how RMT ruins camps,economy, and creates an unfair advantage. These camps will be taken whether the PP is sold for real cash or not. Reality is the majority of the kids kicking and screaming are the ones that can only get ahead in a game tilted into their own favor. EQ classic is not a skill based game, more time=more success. Every unemployed Tom, crippled Dick, and disabled Harry will be the real "winner" in EQ, time is in their favor. For others that have obligations and priorities over an EMU server, one way to catch up when starting out without feeling completely left behind in a Norrath dominated by twinks and alts, is to spend a couple hours of pay. This scares the crap out of people that stare at their toon for 12 hours a day because it means people that earn a living and have lives can actually compete with them. I digress. You can conjure up hundreds of reasons why RMT is da devil, fact of the matter is it't wrong for only one reason. Because its in the rules.

[Kekephee]

Wasn't convinced at first but then I noticed it was all caps so I changed my mind.

CSB

It was the multiple green smileys followed by an unexpected plot twist of two blue smileys that really got me


I said to myself "this is a man who will not be contained"

[salimoneus]

While there would be some drama and /ragequit fallout from this I can only imagine how damn cool it would be starting on a completely fresh server in P99.

IMO the people who would ragequit are likely the very people we don't want around anyway. Sounds like a win win to me.

[Skass]

TO END ALL THIS CHIT CHAT, THIS SERVER BLOWS, JUST ANOTHER SOE WANABE SERVER <<< AND THE SERVERS GM"S ARE JUST AS GREEDY AS THE REAL RMT"ERS..... (NO SERVER IS RAN FREE AND BEING PAID BY THEM AT NO COST) GAME OVER YOU LOSERS :D... SERVER EITHER WILL SHUT DOWN EVENTUALLY OR PEOPLE WILL FINALLY REALIZE IT WAS NOTHING BUT A WASTE OF TIME.... OH SPEAKING OF TIME, MAKE SURE YOU GET YOU MONEY"S WORTH BEFORE QUITING :) RMT RULES GAME ON!!!!!! :D:D:D:D:cool::cool:

I call it out its Lanzellots anon acc .. the english and the hip smiley combination gave it away.


Got you ******.

[grosen333]

I call it out its Lanzellots anon acc .. the english and the hip smiley combination gave it away.


Got you ******.

lol, oh man you got me...

[Lanzellot]

A laught Thing Or Grosen
For Skass i ADD much smileys :D:D:D:D:(
He got us haha

[Archestratie]

Basically yes. Everyone complains how RMT ruins camps,economy, and creates an unfair advantage. These camps will be taken whether the PP is sold for real cash or not. Reality is the majority of the kids kicking and screaming are the ones that can only get ahead in a game tilted into their own favor. EQ classic is not a skill based game, more time=more success. Every unemployed Tom, crippled Dick, and disabled Harry will be the real "winner" in EQ, time is in their favor. For others that have obligations and priorities over an EMU server, one way to catch up when starting out without feeling completely left behind in a Norrath dominated by twinks and alts, is to spend a couple hours of pay. This scares the crap out of people that stare at their toon for 12 hours a day because it means people that earn a living and have lives can actually compete with them. I digress. You can conjure up hundreds of reasons why RMT is da devil, fact of the matter is it't wrong for only one reason. Because its in the rules.

Well said, but also if P99 became a huge cash cow for someone, anyone, then Sony might have to take action to shut it down to protect its own IP. To me, that's the real danger. I don't give a rip if RMTs give some players an advantage over others.

[Duckwalk]

Well said, but also if P99 became a huge cash cow for someone, anyone, then Sony might have to take action to shut it down to protect its own IP. To me, that's the real danger. I don't give a rip if RMTs give some players an advantage over others.

Apparently you haven't experienced the hidden forest server where there are people running around with literally THOUSANDS of dollars of "donation gear" on single characters.

[Edgetiq]

Well said, but also if P99 became a huge cash cow for someone, anyone, then Sony might have to take action to shut it down to protect its own IP. To me, that's the real danger. I don't give a rip if RMTs give some players an advantage over others.

What Sony doesn't know... doesn't hurt it.

Some people have accused the GMs of being in on the RMT the GMs ask for proof...

It's a vicious circle.

Let's just say there's no proof that they're not in on the RMT. That's for sure. Just because they 'ban' 400 accounts.

Crazy guy with all the emoticons has a point... nobody runs servers for free.

[fadetree]

What Sony doesn't know... doesn't hurt it.

Some people have accused the GMs of being in on the RMT the GMs ask for proof...

It's a vicious circle.

Let's just say there's no proof that they're not in on the RMT. That's for sure. Just because they 'ban' 400 accounts.

Crazy guy with all the emoticons has a point... nobody runs servers for free.

Lol, there's also no proof they dont' eat babies. There's no proof they aren't actually Martians. There is some proof that its not them that make incredibly stupid posts, tho.

[Edgetiq]

Lol, there's also no proof they dont' eat babies. There's no proof they aren't actually Martians. There is some proof that its not them that make incredibly stupid posts, tho.

Yes you've just proven that fact all by yourself.

Eat babies? Are you some sort of retard?

You don't need to supply me with your answer, it's glaringly obvious.

[Duckwalk]

There is plenty of proof gm's have in the past been involved in RMT but watch out guys all this RMT talk is going to get you suspended like my poor level 15 necro.

/ooc'ing "lol, just bought 150k, who has fungis to sell" in EC immediately after 400 accounts banned is bad mmmkay.

[Duckwalk]

GMs have been dismissed in the past, do yourself a favor and go find out why.

[Duckwalk]

And for the record I'm not making a claim that current GM's are involved in RMT or disparaging their efforts to combat RMT, which we all applaud.

I was just commenting on the previous posters argument regarding RMT on the server and GM involvement which seems to be a combination of Occam's Razor and prior conduct.

[Messianic]

Apparently you haven't experienced the hidden forest server where there are people running around with literally THOUSANDS of dollars of "donation gear" on single characters.

This is actually a true point. SOE really isn't concerned with p99. Even Blizzard, with its vast resources, isn't shutting down flourishing private servers, all which have "donation rewards".

[Lictor]

I believe this fine painting illustrates the point:

[Duckwalk]

I need a print of that. A true masterpiece.

[Faywind]

The best part of this all is people literally threw away money, only to get banned. The butt hurt in this thread is quite evident.

Makes me feel warm inside...

[Quineloe]

OP has no time, however managed to get a level 60 cleric in just 2 months...

[Duckwalk]

Last I checked most of the TMO accounts linked to duping / exploiting ( and RMTing) were only suspended as it was a very small minority who had access to a large number of accounts thereby compromising them.

Then again how much of a loss is it when you lose one VP geared toon while having 5 more geared and banked alts ready to step in.

What do you think people have been doing farming the same content over the past 3 years?

[ibso]

OP has no time, however managed to get a level 60 cleric in just 2 months...

I remember running by Mylee on my monk, on the way to camp Raster. She was like level 20 & killing mobs near scryer in guktop. I remembered the name. Fast forward a few weeks and who do I see in Karnors, by a level 53 Mylee LFG! I think I had gained about 3 or 4 levels in that amount of time. I admit feeling a little bitter, despite my best efforts. :o

[Derubael]

What Sony doesn't know... doesn't hurt it.

Some people have accused the GMs of being in on the RMT the GMs ask for proof...

It's a vicious circle.

Let's just say there's no proof that they're not in on the RMT. That's for sure. Just because they 'ban' 400 accounts.

Crazy guy with all the emoticons has a point... nobody runs servers for free.

Keep your tinfoil hat theories to yourself and off this forum.

We work extremely hard to ensure RMT doesn't happen on this server, and your insinuations are insulting to myself and the rest of the staff.

[Kekephee]

edit: I was in the wrong thread! This makes more sense!

[Messianic]

Crazy guy with all the emoticons has a point... nobody runs servers for free.

Assuming that people only have monetary utility when they do things is stupid.

[Messianic]

lol so dumb. You are switching the burden of proof like theists do to atheists.

It is not the staff's job to prove they arent involved in RMT, it is your job to provide the proof that they are.

Just like its not my job to prove im not a reptilian hell bent on destroying the world, its your job to prove that i am, if that is your position.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

It's actually neither. The default position is that "we don't know," not "the staff are not involved in RMT until proven otherwise."

That also applies to your half-assed analogy to theistic/atheistic arguments.

[Dinfalas]

No remorse for cheaters

Hysterical.. :rolleyes:

says the guy in a guild full of cheaters and rmt

You beat me to it Odie :) Not to mention this group of folks were involved with over a hundred accounts that were temporarily banned for exploiting P1999 for an innumerable amount of platinum into the economy.

Which brings me to my next question: Why do the RMT folks get permanently banned as opposed to temporary bans given out to the game exploiters? Seems to me the real damage is not even comparable. Some Joe buys a FBSS for $20 from platlord and his account gets the death penalty where as P1999 Platinum exploiters get a month or two ban? I am all for a draconian punishment for rule breakers, however the judgement being served in these two cases is like giving the High School weed dealer the guillotine and then letting El Chapo and his murdering buddies perform community service for snorting a pallet of cocaine in a human trafficking hotel..:D

[Derubael]

Hysterical.. :rolleyes:



You beat me to it Odie :) Not to mention this group of folks were involved with over a hundred accounts that were temporarily banned for exploiting P1999 for an innumerable amount of platinum into the economy.

Which brings me to my next question: Why do the RMT folks get permanently banned as opposed to temporary bans given out to the game exploiters? Seems to me the real damage is not even comparable. Some Joe buys a FBSS for $20 from platlord and his account gets the death penalty where as P1999 Platinum exploiters get a month or two ban? I am all for a draconian punishment for rule breakers, however the judgement being served in these two cases is like giving the High School weed dealer the guillotine and then letting El Chapo and his murdering buddies perform community service for snorting a pallet of cocaine in a human trafficking hotel..:D

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this.

Only 2 people were exploiting. We banned every account they had logged into over the course of ~3 years, even if it was only a single time. When the actual owners of the accounts petitioned, we dropped the bans to suspensions on a case-by-case basis, so long as the account was clean and had a limited number of logins from one of the people who exploited.

If we had thought leadership or a larger portion of the guild was involved, we would have disbanded the guild and held leadership responsible.

The exploiters themselves got not only their accounts permanently banned, but also a number of accounts that weren't even theirs banned as well (based on high # of logins)

So, yes, I'd say that's substantially worse.

[LulzSect]

http://i.imgur.com/APDcO02.jpg

[Nikon]

Which brings me to my next question: Why do the RMT folks get permanently banned as opposed to temporary bans given out to the game exploiters? Seems to me the real damage is not even comparable.

**Edit: Deru beat me to it while I was editing, but ....** My first response to this would be do you have proof that confirmed exploiters were only given temporary bans? If you are referring to the December banning of the exploiters and suspension of many TMO accounts, I believe it was stated that only a few of the accounts were actually used to exploit. They allowed for people to appeal their bans/suspensions on a case by case scenario and if they were found not to have performed the exploit they would be only temporarily suspended. This was a weed-out tactic. While they don't condone account sharing, they don't generally treat it as a bannable offense. So if someone's only issue was sharing their account, why should they be perma banned? This parallels to the unbanning of those that were banned for unknowingly helping with RMT transfers for which the account doing the transfer was banned by association but received no RMT goods.

Second, the 'real damage' from both RMT and exploits is very different. RMT has the ability to get the server shut down. Exploits only affect the server on a local level (until someone decides to RMT exploited items/money). Sony is not going to care if people are duping on the server for the sake of duping, but I'm fairly confident they would give a few shits if people are making RL money off their game. This may or may not be the thinking behind the GMs actions, as I believe anyone that can be confirmed to have exploited and/or RMT are all perma banned, but it's a logical explanation for your proposed disparity.

[Quineloe]

It's actually neither. The default position is that "we don't know," not "the staff are not involved in RMT until proven otherwise."

That also applies to your half-assed analogy to theistic/atheistic arguments.

Innocent until proven guilty, that a new concept to you?

[Archestratie]

Apparently you haven't experienced the hidden forest server where there are people running around with literally THOUSANDS of dollars of "donation gear" on single characters.

Does it have the population of P99?

[smedlysmom14]

**Edit: Deru beat me to it while I was editing, but ....** My first response to this would be do you have proof that confirmed exploiters were only given temporary bans? If you are referring to the December banning of the exploiters and suspension of many TMO accounts, I believe it was stated that only a few of the accounts were actually used to exploit. They allowed for people to appeal their bans/suspensions on a case by case scenario and if they were found not to have performed the exploit they would be only temporarily suspended. This was a weed-out tactic. While they don't condone account sharing, they don't generally treat it as a bannable offense. So if someone's only issue was sharing their account, why should they be perma banned? This parallels to the unbanning of those that were banned for unknowingly helping with RMT transfers for which the account doing the transfer was banned by association but received no RMT goods.

Second, the 'real damage' from both RMT and exploits is very different. RMT has the ability to get the server shut down. Exploits only affect the server on a local level (until someone decides to RMT exploited items/money). Sony is not going to care if people are duping on the server for the sake of duping, but I'm fairly confident they would give a few shits if people are making RL money off their game. This may or may not be the thinking behind the GMs actions, as I believe anyone that can be confirmed to have exploited and/or RMT are all perma banned, but it's a logical explanation for your proposed disparity.


I think he's onto something.

[Eunomia]

"we don't know"

I know. No one on staff is involved in Real Money Trade. Granted, you have no reason to believe me. If it helps, I see enough to know if they were.

I will admit to wondering about the integrity of the server when I was a new player. It's hard to comprehend why anyone would devote this much time and energy for no monetary reward. After reading the forums and gaining a better understanding of the "project", my concerns were put to rest.

This is a hobby. Some hobbies are time consuming and even expensive. If you are a gun enthusiast, you have no issue buying ammunition and shooting off rounds with nothing but the fleeing moment of enjoyment as reward. Maybe brewing beer is your hobby and you drink your reward. The guys that do the coding here, love it. It is their fun. The reward is watching all of you enjoy it. I can imagine it is hurtful when you make false accusations, but thankfully they have grown thick skin.

If you still have doubts: http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=33
Apply to be a guide and maybe you'll have the chance to get to know this great team also.

[smedlysmom14]

I know. No one staff is involved in Real Money Trade. Granted, you have no reason to believe me. If it helps, I see enough to know if they were.

I will admit to wondering about the integrity of the server when I was a new player. It's hard to comprehend why anyone would devote this much time and energy for no monetary reward. After reading the forums and gaining a better understanding of the "project", my concerns were put to rest.

This is a hobby. Some hobbies are time consuming and even expensive. If you are a gun enthusiast, you have no issue buying ammunition and shooting off rounds with nothing but the fleeing moment of enjoyment as reward. Maybe brewing beer is your hobby and you drink your reward. The guys that do the coding here, love it. It is their fun. The reward is watching all of you enjoy it. I can imagine it is hurtful when you make false accusations, but thankfully they have grown thick skin.

If you still have doubts: http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=33
Apply to be a guide and maybe you'll have the chance to get to know this great team also.

One can only assume though when you allow RMT to go on for 3 - 4 months without banning...

[Eunomia]

One can only assume though when you allow RMT to go on for 3 - 4 months without banning...

These things take time. If we jumped the gun on banning someone without being certain, you'd complain we acted too fast. It really is an investigation. People here are busy. Busy with the responsibilities here as well as job and families.

[Leeyuuduu]

Basically yes. Everyone complains how RMT ruins camps,economy, and creates an unfair advantage. These camps will be taken whether the PP is sold for real cash or not. Reality is the majority of the kids kicking and screaming are the ones that can only get ahead in a game tilted into their own favor. EQ classic is not a skill based game, more time=more success. Every unemployed Tom, crippled Dick, and disabled Harry will be the real "winner" in EQ, time is in their favor. For others that have obligations and priorities over an EMU server, one way to catch up when starting out without feeling completely left behind in a Norrath dominated by twinks and alts, is to spend a couple hours of pay. This scares the crap out of people that stare at their toon for 12 hours a day because it means people that earn a living and have lives can actually compete with them. I digress. You can conjure up hundreds of reasons why RMT is da devil, fact of the matter is it't wrong for only one reason. Because its in the rules.

That's very sound logic, but I too am a desk jockey with just a few hours of game time a week and I still wouldn't turn to RMT or condone those who do so. The primary reason is that it's against the rules you agreed to abide by when using this free service that is P99. If there is any gray area within these rules, it's for the staff to decide, not the players, and certainly not the person breaking the rules. As an aside, if being competitive in a 15 year old MMO bothers you so much that you find yourself breaking these rules and spending RL cash, maybe it's time to find a more casual MMO, or at least a more casual EQEMU server. There's quite a few out there now.

[Duckwalk]

Does it have the population of P99?

The half life of Hidden Forest players is generally shorter than P1999, that's not to say a massive amount of people haven't pass through the server since its inception, many dumping large amount of cash into donated gear (which is upgraded with each expansion thus always best in slot)

Go look at their website, specifically the guild progression area and imagine each guild comprising between 5 and 20 people, the vast majority with at least the $50 epic weapon donation and many of the "cutting edge" progression guilds possessing MT's with entire sets of donation gear.

[heartbrand]

The Hidden Forest sounds interesting, is it any fun?

[Artaenc]

Wont miss your stupid avatar popping up on my screen when I'm trying to browse the forums at work. Shithead. :rolleyes:

Ya, finally had to put him on ignore bc don't want people thinking I'm watching pron at work.

[Duckwalk]

Yeah it a lot of fun but not really eq anymore. It's basically a custom game with eq classes and zones. There is a massive exp bonus, planar gear and epics basically from level 1 and boxing.

Most of it is instances so guild competition is based on actually completing the custom content, not poop socking.

If your looking for a change I'd recommend it and there is actually a decent community. Most people 2 or 3 box so its prolly best with a friend to duo with until you get to raid content where you will average 10-12 RL players.

[Duckwalk]

Trash in Crushbone drops jboots and mana stones and stuff. It's pretty entertaining although due to the nature of the custom content, all that stud is way less beneficial than you'd think.

[Glenzig]

These things take time. If we jumped the gun on banning someone without being certain, you'd complain we acted too fast. It really is an investigation. People here are busy. Busy with the responsibilities here as well as job and families.

What!!?? That's crazy!!! The only ones who have real life responsibilities are the people who RMT. Don't you know that??? C'mon man!

[Dinfalas]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this.

Only 2 people were exploiting. We banned every account they had logged into over the course of ~3 years, even if it was only a single time. When the actual owners of the accounts petitioned, we dropped the bans to suspensions on a case-by-case basis, so long as the account was clean and had a limited number of logins from one of the people who exploited.

If we had thought leadership or a larger portion of the guild was involved, we would have disbanded the guild and held leadership responsible.

The exploiters themselves got not only their accounts permanently banned, but also a number of accounts that weren't even theirs banned as well (based on high # of logins)

So, yes, I'd say that's substantially worse.

I retract my statement if this was the case. I appreciate you taking the time to clear that up Derubael.

[Ghoulbane]

P99 staffers keep more records on your login habbits than the US government does! ha!

[Dinfalas]

the 'real damage' from both RMT and exploits is very different. RMT has the ability to get the server shut down. Exploits only affect the server on a local level (until someone decides to RMT exploited items/money). Sony is not going to care if people are duping on the server for the sake of duping, but I'm fairly confident they would give a few shits if people are making RL money off their game. This may or may not be the thinking behind the GMs actions, as I believe anyone that can be confirmed to have exploited and/or RMT are all perma banned, but it's a logical explanation for your proposed disparity.

If this is true and Sony has heavy hand in the compliance aspect of this server (or at least tries to make things difficult for P1999 staff in regards to RMT entities) this is an answer that most questioning this case logic concerning RMT vs. Exploit punishments can understand. Thanks for the insight. :)

[Rararboker]

The best part of this all is people literally threw away money, only to get banned. The butt hurt in this thread is quite evident.

Makes me feel warm inside...

[YoloSwag]

P99 staffers keep more records on your login habbits than the US government does! ha!

The word in EC tunnel is that the P99 team and the NSA are in cahoots for world domination.

[Ridan]

You wanted to make EQ feel like WoW. EZMODE. /wave

[Daysprung]

OP has no time, however managed to get a level 60 cleric in just 2 months...

Actually I started my cleric back in fall of 2010. I got 50 in a few months then quit and came back last fall and finished 50-60 in a few more months. Mylee was created in January and took about 3 months to get 55.

[Daysprung]

I remember running by Mylee on my monk, on the way to camp Raster. She was like level 20 & killing mobs near scryer in guktop. I remembered the name. Fast forward a few weeks and who do I see in Karnors, by a level 53 Mylee LFG! I think I had gained about 3 or 4 levels in that amount of time. I admit feeling a little bitter, despite my best efforts. :o

It was time spent more than anything...I mostly grouped and had good gear from money earned on my cleric so I could solo OK too but I didn't like to solo its boring. I think I had at least 20 RL days played on Mylee...

[HawkMasterson1999]

RMT makes it harder for me to get pixels... unless i were to shell out some RM (which is in short supply) so, YAY! Although i was growing a chanter to sell when they changed the rules I still like this.

[HawkMasterson1999]

^ to sell for plat though, not real money

[Glenzig]

It was time spent more than anything...I mostly grouped and had good gear from money earned on my cleric so I could solo OK too but I didn't like to solo its boring. I think I had at least 20 RL days played on Mylee...

20 in game days since January?? Well there goes the whole RMTers do it cause they don't have as much time excuse.

[Clark]

I know. No one on staff is involved in Real Money Trade. Granted, you have no reason to believe me. If it helps, I see enough to know if they were.

I will admit to wondering about the integrity of the server when I was a new player. It's hard to comprehend why anyone would devote this much time and energy for no monetary reward. After reading the forums and gaining a better understanding of the "project", my concerns were put to rest.

This is a hobby. Some hobbies are time consuming and even expensive. If you are a gun enthusiast, you have no issue buying ammunition and shooting off rounds with nothing but the fleeing moment of enjoyment as reward. Maybe brewing beer is your hobby and you drink your reward. The guys that do the coding here, love it. It is their fun. The reward is watching all of you enjoy it. I can imagine it is hurtful when you make false accusations, but thankfully they have grown thick skin.

Good post.

[HawkMasterson1999]

The crazy part about this sting mission that they were doing is.... You just didnt help the RMT'ers, you now lost a lot of good people on your server.......I was thinking about it this morning, now prices of pp can fluctuate, people who are new and incoming to the server will just pay a larger unit price for platinum, your not going to stop those who are willing to pay to benefit themselves.. I mean now 1.50 for one k will go up to 2.50, lol RMT'ers or future RMT'ers are pattying you guys on the back now they will even bank more money at the end of the day..... Thanks guys well put

They also have an example of what could happen to them shortly after they do it. I'm glad they punished the RMTers but they should have given the death penalty to the macroquest/showeq crowd too. 3rd party progs are worse then RMT imo.

[quido]

https://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/boatcrash.jpg

Goodnight, daddy.

[Smurflogik]

This thread is hilarious. High-horse, self-righteous do-gooders on one side, and awful, half-assed excuses and justifications on the other. Everyone is taking all of this so serisouly and forgetting that it's a free, pirated game. Get. Over. It.

Thanks for the entertainment on a slow work afternoon though haha

[Nodd]

The best part of this all is people literally threw away money, only to get banned. The butt hurt in this thread is quite evident.

Makes me feel warm inside...

You might also like:

Walking casino floors...

Watching people leaving amusement parks...

Sitting in dark corners of bars and watching folks drink...

Or pretty much any other activity where cash is exchanged for a temporary "good time".

[Frudrura]

Honestly, RMT is annoying. It is like wtf is this special treatment for $$ shit. It unlevels the playing field.

[qombi]

I am glad they banned the RMT'ers. They are obviously selfish people who care more about their instant gratification than the hurting the server. The "I have more money than time" crap is such an over used excuse.

Most of the people that RMT spend more time online than others who do not. I don't know why they are in such a hurry to get to the end. All levels are fun to be at. The end of a game isn't the only fun spot. I had fun in Crushbone for instance. Again though these people are just selfish.

Good riddance to the selfish. These will be the same type of people that train, do not invite rangers to groups, rude, kill steal, camp steal, exploit, swarm kite popular newbie zones, power level others in popular zones ... goes on and on. They already proved they give two craps about their fellow player.

Also in real life these jerks are probably the guy on the road that rides your bumper when you do the speed limit but they want to go faster .... selfish, self entitled attitude.

[Kevynne]

Bye, Mylee and others. I'm sure you're not bad people. Sometimes we're compelled to do bad things :(

you're STILL talking?

[Kevynne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li8cryWN2ew&feature=kp

No one mourns the wicked.

a+ for wicked reference

[grosen333]

:D You'd think that as much time these GM's have working on this RMT case that Velious would of been out by now!!!!!!womppp wompppppp :confused: :D Its alright though lol this server has a ton more pp to RMT, :) please dont let it slow ya down....:eek::eek:

[Lisset]

:D You'd think that as much time these GM's have working on this RMT case that Velious would of been out by now!!!!!!womppp wompppppp :confused: :D Its alright though lol this server has a ton more pp to RMT, :) please dont let it slow ya down....:eek::eek:

Developers aren't CSRs any more than getting tires put on at walmart makes the exams at the eye center go slower or delays checking out your groceries.

[Ahldagor]

http://replygif.net/i/204.gif

[Faerie]

you're STILL talking?

huh?

[jhimmy]

I bought some plat, because i could and it made the game easier, oh well shit happens i knew what i was getting into. Alot of lowbees loved me tho buying crushbone belts and left goblin ears!! Back to live i go!

[sonicjoose]

http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr02/27/7/anigif_enhanced-buzz-14979-1395920408-4.gif

[Bazia]

u guys who got banned should just play red

before i ever tried red i'd quit on blue around level 40-something

killing 20 year old npc ai is just too easy

[marcjpb]

All I have to say is Congratz to P99 admins. It take lots of guts to ban as much people as you guy did for RMT. Most modern company wouldnt even bother with that.

To everyone that got caught, hopefully you've learn something from this and will grow as a person.

[quido]

I want to grow as a person. I'm trying to grow as a person.

[jhimmy]

Fuck me i wondered why i was an inch taller this morning!! Grow as a person lol

If any other rmt banned people fancy live the end game raiding is really decent at the min!

[qombi]

Fuck me i wondered why i was an inch taller this morning!! Grow as a person lol

If any other rmt banned people fancy live the end game raiding is really decent at the min!

I am glad you selfish people are no longer here. Enjoy live.

[Swish]

How long before you can earn station cash by watching adverts for pay to win games?

[Kayso]

I want to grow as a person. I'm trying to grow as a person.

Move less. Order more pizza.

[John2020]

Hello Everybody John2020 here. I wanted to let everyone know that I have confirmation that McMuffin has been banned. The world of Norrath is safe forever.

[Swish]

Hello Everybody John2020 here. I wanted to let everyone know that I have confirmation that McMuffin has been banned. The world of Norrath is safe forever.

www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87790

[Bill Tetley]

HA-HA!

[Capacittor]

It was fun everyone! Bought some plat back in September and was banned in this wave. Luckily only a 37 necro with Jboots down the pooper. I'll definitely be back when Velious is out!

[qombi]

It was fun everyone! Bought some plat back in September and was banned in this wave. Luckily only a 37 necro with Jboots down the pooper. I'll definitely be back when Velious is out!

one more selfish person gone

[Capacittor]

one more selfish person gone

I hope you feel better now :-)

[Bazia]

these monsters spending 20$ to buy jboots instead of a pizza must be stopped

[Bill Tetley]

the I have a job, family and life is tiresome to excuse rmt. its a game. be good or be bad.

[Daysprung]

the I have a job, family and life is tiresome to excuse rmt. its a game. be good or be bad.

Don't worry, I'm still better than you at games and in life. ;)

[Rellapse36]

Don't worry, I'm still better than you at games and in life. ;)

naw

[Vindor]

Well the result of all this for me is less people online, an harder time finding groups, buying/selling in EC, 2 less tank of my level in my friend list and a feeling that this aint going to get better.

[Asap]

Well the result of all this for me is less people online, an harder time finding groups, buying/selling in EC, 2 less tank of my level in my friend list and a feeling that this aint going to get better.

You've been here 1 month, and you think that's enough time to form an assumption on the longevity of the server?

[Vindor]

I wasnt judging its longevity but the difficulty of finding group to level.

[Fame]

How many of you are now playin on red? That shit is poppin with new players atm and we dont give a fuck about what ya did wrong on blue because we dont give a fuck about blue

[myriverse]

these monsters spending 20$ to buy jboots instead of a pizza must be stopped
Won't someone think about the pizza!

Well the result of all this for me is less people online, an harder time finding groups, buying/selling in EC, 2 less tank of my level in my friend list and a feeling that this aint going to get better.
The loss of a couple hundred shouldn't hurt.

[cries4hardcore]

I bought some plat, because i could and it made the game easier, oh well shit happens i knew what i was getting into. Alot of lowbees loved me tho buying crushbone belts and left goblin ears!! Back to live i go!

I don't get it you spend money on attaining end game gear and purchase quest turn ins to gain levels. What the fuck is there to do once you take both of those away?

[Rhambuk]

What the fuck is there to do once you take both of those away?

Now we play.

http://greg.org/archive/warcraft_southpark.jpg

[Frudrura]

Please for the love of all that is, holy etc, get some therapy your RMT fucks.

[Arteker]

This justification actually has some of us very concerned. Some further elaboration is required.

You say that platinum was accepted from a known RMT mule. Known to whom, exactly? The players who do not engage in this activity would certainly never know. I for one, would not.

That said, what actions such as these have created is a blanket distrust of transactions in general... buying and selling in EC, giving away items to newbies (or accepting them), helping people with item transfers... the list goes on.

Hop into any guild channel and read to what people are saying. There is now some very real concern based on how this was handled.

I'm pretty sure I speak for a larger portion of the playerbase when I say that we are all for banning people who knowingly engage in this activity, but it is the ones who have been seemingly innocently affected that has created a new, perhaps unforeseen problem: misplaced distrust.

To us, it sounds like the situation you are replying to may have been one where someone was innocently affected. It is not unusual for a player to have a seller character in EC where most of their platinum is amassed. People help friends transfer between their mains, alts, and sell toons in EC all the time. It would seem perfectly logical to many people that when handling large, heavy volumes of plat (in the thousands), one is either going to have to visit a bank, or a storage alt.

What Derubel has outlined, however, is that because this "mule" was known, then they are guilty by association. My question is, where is the post that lists these "known" characters so we know who to avoid, and who we can once again trust?
know u know what means 2 dudes get half banned guild:p

[Bazia]

in the real world accepting stolen goods is a crime

whether you know they were stolen or not

deal wit it

[Krosus]

Must say I played from October odd to January and loved it and yeh I 'cut corners' to try and catch up some friends who had more time on their hands than me due to work and kids. I won't bemoan the loss of $20 for an Ikky Tunic and some plat I spent as I had some real fun, nostalgic time warp shit but ultimately time was too much of an issue for me to progress.
Stay safe folks and have fun in Velious if it ever materialises because that was the the Xpac that really turned me hardcore in the day, 6 nights a week raiding and factioning.

[Fael]

Bazia you haven't a clue what your talking about.

1. It is not a crime unless you should have known. Willfull blindness, etc.

2. UCC entrustment in many situations gives a bona Fide purchaser for value superior title notwithstanding the validity of the trade.

Mens rea is required for almost any crime. I'm so sick of stupid dumb $&@/s who are quick to support the banning of an innocent person who is only guilty by association. It's not much different than the paki mentality that would justify charging a Todler with murder.

Dolic

[Stonecrush]

Bazia you haven't a clue what your talking about.

1. It is not a crime unless you should have known. Willfull blindness, etc.

2. UCC entrustment in many situations gives a bona Fide purchaser for value superior title notwithstanding the validity of the trade.

Mens rea is required for almost any crime. I'm so sick of stupid dumb $&@/s who are quick to support the banning of an innocent person who is only guilty by association. It's not much different than the paki mentality that would justify charging a Todler with murder.

Dolic

Someone just got schooled in the art of law. Oh Snap!

[Duckwalk]

Bona Fide Purchasers require lack of notice. How much you want to bet the majority of exchanges were along the lines of:

Allegedly innocent powerlvler says, "Meet me at EC tunnel"

Obvious RMT replies, " what is EC tunnel? Did you mail me my gear, where is mailbox? Someone stole my hearthstone, how do I get to you?"

[jaybone]

in the real world accepting stolen goods is a crime

whether you know they were stolen or not

deal wit it

good thing this is a video game dumb fuck

[Bazia]

they borrowed the concept for a reason

[Fael]

1. They also have been known to make ex post facto rulings, often with suspensions involved. I'm sure they probably borrowed whatever you are referring to from the same place. I get it. Might makes right. I can accept that, but to call it fair and rooted in law is Michael Jackson ignorant.

2. I'm not critiquing the staff here. I can understand that they have little time to deal with these types of investigations. But when they blanket ban people involved in transactions with "known" rmters, you can be rest assured that many innocent people got associated with it. This of course was by design. They then took petitions from people to settle whether or not they were in fact not guilty of anything. There are some people however that have had a hard time providing an explanation of what was traded and for how much, etc, for trades that happened months ago. Naturally I assume it was their fault for not keeping detailed logs of every purchase, one instance I know of involves a meager 4,000. It's absurd.

Dolic

[deadlycupcakez]

1. They also have been known to make ex post facto rulings, often with suspensions involved. I'm sure they probably borrowed whatever you are referring to from the same place. I get it. Might makes right. I can accept that, but to call it fair and rooted in law is Michael Jackson ignorant.

2. I'm not critiquing the staff here. I can understand that they have little time to deal with these types of investigations. But when they blanket ban people involved in transactions with "known" rmters, you can be rest assured that many innocent people got associated with it. This of course was by design. They then took petitions from people to settle whether or not they were in fact not guilty of anything. There are some people however that have had a hard time providing an explanation of what was traded and for how much, etc, for trades that happened months ago. Naturally I assume it was their fault for not keeping detailed logs of every purchase, one instance I know of involves a meager 4,000. It's absurd.

Dolic

banned people were those that paid RL $$$ for IG items or pps. Not people who traded in game to in game.

[fishingme]

There seems to be a lot of confusion over this.

Only 2 people were exploiting. We banned every account they had logged into over the course of ~3 years, even if it was only a single time. When the actual owners of the accounts petitioned, we dropped the bans to suspensions on a case-by-case basis, so long as the account was clean and had a limited number of logins from one of the people who exploited.

If we had thought leadership or a larger portion of the guild was involved, we would have disbanded the guild and held leadership responsible.

The exploiters themselves got not only their accounts permanently banned, but also a number of accounts that weren't even theirs banned as well (based on high # of logins)

So, yes, I'd say that's substantially worse.

I believe he was referring to

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46654

[Derubael]

I believe he was referring to

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46654

He was referring to this:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131586

and comparing it to the recent ban wave you linked above, hence my explanation.

[quido]

More ban waves imo

[Pheer]

More ban waves imo

is that a request or a prediction supported by inside infoz

[quido]

a request, a hope... A DREAM IF YOU WILL

[Grahm]

This.

I didn't log on after the ban until late yesterday and I was nervous because only the day prior I had transferred 17k for a guildmate.

Fortunately I was fine but I seriously wondered if I might not have unwittingly been caught up in shenanigans.

Speaks how high you think of your guildies.

[quido]

I bought a big item on red for blue plat recently (200k blue) and not much time later I received a PM from a GM asking what the deal was. I know they figured I was clean anyways and were just trying to save themselves the trouble of tracking down the other end of the trade, but it was really encouraging to see them on top of a 200k for nothing trade so quickly.

Crack dem skullz bros

[Grahm]

I know. No one on staff is involved in Real Money Trade. Granted, you have no reason to believe me. If it helps, I see enough to know if they were.

I will admit to wondering about the integrity of the server when I was a new player. It's hard to comprehend why anyone would devote this much time and energy for no monetary reward. After reading the forums and gaining a better understanding of the "project", my concerns were put to rest.

This is a hobby. Some hobbies are time consuming and even expensive. If you are a gun enthusiast, you have no issue buying ammunition and shooting off rounds with nothing but the fleeing moment of enjoyment as reward. Maybe brewing beer is your hobby and you drink your reward. The guys that do the coding here, love it. It is their fun. The reward is watching all of you enjoy it. I can imagine it is hurtful when you make false accusations, but thankfully they have grown thick skin.

If you still have doubts: http://www.project1999.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=33
Apply to be a guide and maybe you'll have the chance to get to know this great team also.

I agree and yada-yada but should put "present staff hasn't done any RMT". Dunno if you can still find it here, but was a HUGE thread on rerolled about amelinda RMT.

also, plz if u gonna spend real cash spend it on a big game? why spend $1000 dollars for a decked out druid acc to farm velious for the 10000000000000'th time. Or spend $1000 on a badass WoW acc and possibly flip that for profit.

[Grahm]

Can either Byrjun or Hailto confirm/deny that Mcfiffle was taken down in sting opperation: Are Em Tee.

If on the affirmative, we all have an obligation to rescue.

His mom has seen 3 dwarves go down, she won't see the fourth.

[Rhambuk]

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9325/20378544256746eccc54.jpg

Buh-Bye

[tizznyres]

Just wanted to pop back in and say: Get fucked, RMT fuckers.

[odiecat99]

Just wanted to pop back in and say: Get fucked, RMT fuckers.

agree

[Smalls]

I'm going to petition to make RMT allowed on this server. Those of who have money should be allowed to P2W, to buy our way to victory, instead of having to work tooth and nail for peanuts like the rest of the common filth.

The posh shouldn't have to suffer for this.

[Silentsong]

I'm going to petition to make RMT allowed on this server. Those of who have money should be allowed to P2W, to buy our way to victory, instead of having to work tooth and nail for peanuts like the rest of the common filth.

The posh shouldn't have to suffer for this.

ROFL

[Glenzig]

I'm going to petition to make RMT allowed on this server. Those of who have money should be allowed to P2W, to buy our way to victory, instead of having to work tooth and nail for peanuts like the rest of the common filth.

The posh shouldn't have to suffer for this.

With your track record, this would be more than enough for me to justify banning you if I were Rogean.

[webrunner5]

Wont miss your stupid avatar popping up on my screen when I'm trying to browse the forums at work. Shithead. :rolleyes:

I do tend to agree with you about his gay ass Avatar. :(

[Ahldagor]

I'm going to petition to make RMT allowed on this server. Those of who have money should be allowed to P2W, to buy our way to victory, instead of having to work tooth and nail for peanuts like the rest of the common filth.

The posh shouldn't have to suffer for this.

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[Clark]

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lol

[quido]

play red maggots

[nonphixion]

play red maggots

[Conscript]

play red maggots

I was on red earlier, saw a group of Azrael guys, about 16, in Field of Bone.

I tried to make contact with them and was ignored.

I felt rejected therefore I quit.

[Daysprung]

EQ is dead. You guys need to move on. It's sad, really.

[thieros]

EQ is dead. You guys need to move on. It's sad, really.

So I'll be the first to start this thread up. There are 400 of us so should be a popular thread

I bought a Fungi Tunic from Platlord back in January for my Monk "Mylee". So beware if you think he got out of this unscathed. Mentioning names to keep future people safe since honestly this sucks the big one. Over 50 RL days of work flushed away.

But I would do it again. I would do it again, including the RMT, in a heartbeat. It made the game more playable during a time when I didn't think I could handle leveling up a new character due to time constraints. This game is amazing and brought me back to a time in my youth that I truely enjoyed. These days I dont have the same time to put in that I did back then but I do have a whole lot more money, so you can see the allure

I wish p1999 the best, thanks to the staff for making this experience possible. Eunomia in particular was a great person to deal with. Derubael, thanks for humoring my last attempt at getting my account back. Sirken, your streams were fun to watch and I enjoyed your DT's in Sebilis.

Goodbye to all my friends and guildies as well, sorry for the wasted time in helping me and I'm sorry I wont be there with you guys in the future but it was fun while it lasted. I think most people will have lost friends in this ban wave (600 characters, hard to imagine anyone not losing someone they knew) so lets all say goodbye.

Fairwell p1999!

- Daysprung (60 Cleric), Mylee (55 Monk) , Deciderius (BANK MULE)

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[Ahldagor]

"due to time constraints"

that's an hilarious amount of stupid

[odiecat99]

:cool: eat dicks rmt swine

[Zuranthium]

play red maggots

Exactly how does that stop the urge for RMT? Equipment is actually even more important on Red than Blue.

I've seen things...you people wouldn't believe...heh...hill giants on fire of the shoulder of Karana. I watched platinum glitter in the dark near the Commonlands tunnel. All those... moments...will be lost in time, like [cough] tears...in... rain. Time...to die...

Best post!

[Frug]

EQ is dead. You guys need to move on. It's sad, really.

As opposed to forumquesting for a game you allegedly don't play?

[radditsu]

WTS 36 sk with fungi full tier dal, gravebinder, that fear axe, GFG, and a great name and reputation. 200,000 american. PST

[Harlan]

This thread is hilarious. High-horse, self-righteous do-gooders on one side, and awful, half-assed excuses and justifications on the other. Everyone is taking all of this so serisouly and forgetting that it's a free, pirated game. Get. Over. It.

Thanks for the entertainment on a slow work afternoon though haha

Agree. This thread is unpayable (even with RMT) :))

Just consider 3 hypothetical examples but there are more.

1) A friend gave me a fungi for free. I sold it in EC.
2) Somebody else than me plays my account because I authorised him.
3) A guy paid me 40k to powerlevel him a bit.

Nobody, staff included, has anything to object against any of these 3 actions.
Do the righteous see any trace of RMT Inside ? Well who knows.
Have they any shred of beginning of a proof ? Nope.

Anyway, I perhaps also paid some real money for PP (won't explain how it could have been done) some time ago because I am a big Trade Skill amateur like I was back in 99 and Trade Skills in EQ are horribly expensive. As I didn't intend to level much, the only solution was perhaps to buy enough PP to do what I like - Trade skilling.
My character is now 35 but very high in most trade skills.

If some transaction really happened then there was no harm intended and no harm done to anybody.
That's how I like things and be very sure that I didn't take any of it seriously :)

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Agree. This thread is unpayable (even with RMT) :))

Just consider 3 hypothetical examples but there are more.

1) A friend gave me a fungi for free. I sold it in EC.
2) Somebody else than me plays my account because I authorised him.
3) A guy paid me 40k to powerlevel him a bit.

Nobody, staff included, has anything to object against any of these 3 actions.
Do the righteous see any trace of RMT Inside ? Well who knows.
Have they any shred of beginning of a proof ? Nope.

Anyway, I perhaps also paid some real money for PP (won't explain how it could have been done) some time ago because I am a big Trade Skill amateur like I was back in 99 and Trade Skills in EQ are horribly expensive. As I didn't intend to level much, the only solution was perhaps to buy enough PP to do what I like - Trade skilling.
My character is now 35 but very high in most trade skills.

If some transaction really happened then there was no harm intended and no harm done to anybody.
That's how I like things and be very sure that I didn't take any of it seriously :)

You mean you "liked" tradeskilling...
Inb4ban

[Nirgon]

Tons of legit trades of people just giving away Trak BPs, high end haste, fungi, 100k+ plat etc right. Esp when the people donig the trade have no history of ever being guilded with each other.

Yeah yup.

[Glenzig]

Agree. This thread is unpayable (even with RMT) :))

Just consider 3 hypothetical examples but there are more.

1) A friend gave me a fungi for free. I sold it in EC.
2) Somebody else than me plays my account because I authorised him.
3) A guy paid me 40k to powerlevel him a bit.

Nobody, staff included, has anything to object against any of these 3 actions.
Do the righteous see any trace of RMT Inside ? Well who knows.
Have they any shred of beginning of a proof ? Nope.

Anyway, I perhaps also paid some real money for PP (won't explain how it could have been done) some time ago because I am a big Trade Skill amateur like I was back in 99 and Trade Skills in EQ are horribly expensive. As I didn't intend to level much, the only solution was perhaps to buy enough PP to do what I like - Trade skilling.
My character is now 35 but very high in most trade skills.

If some transaction really happened then there was no harm intended and no harm done to anybody.
That's how I like things and be very sure that I didn't take any of it seriously :)

So you defend people who get banned for RMT by saying that there may in fact be no actual proof of wrongdoing, and then admit to RMT yourself. Good call.

Also,numbers 1 and 3 in your scenario have happened before from the RMT posts I've read, and the devs typically lift the ban if the person is actually innocent and had no idea. Number 2, you give your account info out, everything that happens after that point is on you.

[Bazia]

I dunno why you guys give a shit if somebody wants to buy shit from someone else for money, even when top end guilds aren't RMTing they will still kill everything the second it spawns for alts or just so you can't have it.

Victimless crime other than pixel envy.

[Nikon]

The couple people I know that were banned for being unwilling participants in RMT related trades have all been unbanned. I think the longest it took someone to get unbanned was a couple days. While some folks may view not being able to play for two days as an end of the world scenario, in the grand scheme of things I'd say it's worth it in order to hand out hundreds of legitimate bans.

[Glenzig]

I dunno why you guys give a shit if somebody wants to buy shit from someone else for money, even when top end guilds aren't RMTing they will still kill everything the second it spawns for alts or just so you can't have it.

Victimless crime other than pixel envy.

I don't know why anyone would be so obsessed with a game, especially one that is an emulated version of a 15 year old mmo, that they would feel the need to try to circumvent the rules of said game. Like don't pay real money for in game items. Then they try to act like they are justified because its just a game. Yet, if they really had that opinion, they wouldn't have been driven to break the rules of the server that were already laid out clearly and in plain English for them just to have a few extra pixels. So the real victims are the RMTers themselves. Victims of their own stupidity.

[loramin]

So the real victims are the RMTers themselves. Victims of their own stupidity.

Well, them and the GMs and guides who MUST (for legal reasons) spend a huge amount of time fighting this nonsense. But sure, wasting huge amounts of time of the people who already volunteer their time just so this server even exists for you to play this game ... that's completely victim-less.

[Glenzig]

Well, them and the GMs and guides who MUST (for legal reasons) spend a huge amount of time fighting this nonsense. But sure, wasting huge amounts of time of the people who already volunteer their time just so this server even exists for you to play this game ... that's completely victim-less.

You are correct. I'm not at all defending RMT.

[Fysts]

You accepted platinum from an account that was not only a known RMT mule, but also had the RMT'er logged into the account at the time you accepted the platinum. This is not someone who plays the game. The only thing they do is sell platinum.

In your specific situation, since you decided to call out my methods, you claim you powerleveld someone for a couple hours, and then they gave you platinum for it. Platinum you did not request, but was instead given to you out of the kindness of their heart.

In this scenario, I find it very unlikely someone purchased platinum with RL cash to give to you when they didn't need to.

We don't just ban people who get platinum for nothing. Stop misleading people.

Not defending anyone, however, you are stereotyping peoples actions. I have personally given plat to people for helping me on my alts. They had no idea I had a top geared charecter or that I had over 500k in plat with nothing to spend it on. They never asked, but I rewarded their generosity with my own. So saying a person would never give plat unless asked, is a false statement. I have often paid porters 500plat for ports just to be nice. Sometimes people fail to realize alot of plat/money is all a basis on what you have. If i have 10 million plat, what is 100k, but if i have 100k plat 5k could be huge. Innocent until proven guilty. Undeniably guilty. No reasonable doubt. Just seems logical.

[Glenzig]

Not defending anyone, however, you are stereotyping peoples actions. I have personally given plat to people for helping me on my alts. They had no idea I had a top geared charecter or that I had over 500k in plat with nothing to spend it on. They never asked, but I rewarded their generosity with my own. So saying a person would never give plat unless asked, is a false statement. I have often paid porters 500plat for ports just to be nice. Sometimes people fail to realize alot of plat/money is all a basis on what you have. If i have 10 million plat, what is 100k, but if i have 100k plat 5k could be huge. Innocent until proven guilty. Undeniably guilty. No reasonable doubt. Just seems logical.

No he isn't stereo typing anyone or you would have already been banned. You must have missed the very first part of his statement where he said that the person he got plat from was a known RMTer. He accepted money, probably a little more than 500pp, from a [I]known[I] RMTer. Probably on more than one occasion too. Yes there are altruistic players that will give people plat just because they want to help out. Those arent the people getting banned. It's the people that are involved with known RMTers.

[Ahldagor]

who necro'd this thread

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[Derubael]

Not defending anyone, however, you are stereotyping peoples actions. I have personally given plat to people for helping me on my alts. They had no idea I had a top geared charecter or that I had over 500k in plat with nothing to spend it on. They never asked, but I rewarded their generosity with my own. So saying a person would never give plat unless asked, is a false statement. I have often paid porters 500plat for ports just to be nice. Sometimes people fail to realize alot of plat/money is all a basis on what you have. If i have 10 million plat, what is 100k, but if i have 100k plat 5k could be huge. Innocent until proven guilty. Undeniably guilty. No reasonable doubt. Just seems logical.

Totally missed the point of my post. We didn't just ban people who were handed plat by any random stranger. Not going to explain this again :cool:. If you're going to call out the way I investigate and ban for RMT, at least read about it before you tell me I'm wrong.

Also, how the fuck did this thread get necro'd and multi-bumped all in one day? They keep pulling me back in :(