If I invite you to a group and you are not fine with greed rolling

[paulgiamatti]

Click disband. I'm sick and fucking tired of people bitching about someone winning multiple drops. Items vary in value too much for trade-up looting to make any sense. If someone rolls and wins a Hierophant's Cloak, yes they get to roll and win level 60 spells from the Emperor. That's how it works. I won't allow people to corpse items if they're lore, but as far as I'm concerned someone can roll and win every non-lore drop in my group and if you bitch about it I'm going to drop you.

[Kagatob 2.0]

wat

[BigHurb]

eat my ass snatch

[Tiax]

Trade up looting leads to a more equitable distribution of loot. Whats there not to understand?

[Transient]

Can corpse a lore item so long as they didn't win it with you right?

[Cecily]

No, that's greedy.

[paulgiamatti]

Trade up looting leads to a more equitable distribution of loot. Whats there not to understand?

I tend to disagree. I mean if someone insists on trading up an item or passing on a drop because they won something already that's fine, but I would never mandate this rule in a group I'm leading. There are very few camps where LoreItem A equals the value of LoreItem B, so it seems silly to justify trading up one item for another when everyone can just roll their dice and have an equal opportunity to win loot.

[Splorf22]

Click disband. I'm sick and fucking tired of people bitching about someone winning multiple drops. Items vary in value too much for trade-up looting to make any sense. If someone rolls and wins a Hierophant's Cloak, yes they get to roll and win level 60 spells from the Emperor. That's how it works. I won't allow people to corpse items if they're lore, but as far as I'm concerned someone can roll and win every non-lore drop in my group and if you bitch about it I'm going to drop you.

What a misleading title. I'm all for greed rolls, but if I win a fungi or a hiero I'm not gonna roll on some 5k spell unless like 2/3 of the group is different.

[EQsale]

Can corpse a lore item so long as they didn't win it with you right?

Would hope so or id never waste my time groupin with ya haha

[EQsale]

No, that's greedy.

The ammount of time we have been in this expansion i dont see why someone couldnt corpse a hiero cloak or a fungi if there already wearing one and won the roll.

Dont see how thats being greedy they are there helping to obtain said item in the first place.

[Azure]

I mandate everyone rolls on every item in my groups and that they /corpse or delete old items if they win multiple LORE items. Otherwise I rage log.

[BigHurb]

if one child is not killed per day in the name of everquest whats this all been about? gay earth

[paulgiamatti]

The ammount of time we have been in this expansion i dont see why someone couldnt corpse a hiero cloak or a fungi if there already wearing one and won the roll.

Dont see how thats being greedy they are there helping to obtain said item in the first place.

If someone already has a lore item from a camp and they want to roll on it its their responsibility to take it off their character beforehand. I'm not going to waste everyone's time while we kill & res you just because you didn't think ahead. If you won a lore item and you want another in the same group, tough.

[Azure]

if one child is not killed per day in the name of everquest whats this all been about? gay earth

R u mad about it? Why not like, not have children 2 begin with?

[Miser]

Paul, I'm guessing that you've literally never been in a seb king group? I could see not wanting someone to win a 2nd and 3rd LORE item in a group, but not letting someone roll because they have an item (that helps the group btw) is just unrealistic.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

What a misleading title. I'm all for greed rolls, but if I win a fungi or a hiero I'm not gonna roll on some 5k spell unless like 2/3 of the group is different.

[Gaffin 7.0]

iiiiiiiii earned it iiiiiiiii deserve it

[Cecily]

The ammount of time we have been in this expansion i dont see why someone couldnt corpse a hiero cloak or a fungi if there already wearing one and won the roll.

Dont see how thats being greedy they are there helping to obtain said item in the first place.

I don't think it's greedy at all. I play 3 characters. 1 of which has a Hiero. If I happen to be playing the 1 with the cloak, I should be given a shot. Otherwise, why am I there?

[Doors]

Great thread, excellent post.

[BigHurb]

mine mine mine mine mine me me me me me

[Teerian]

Click disband. I'm sick and fucking tired of people bitching about someone winning multiple drops. Items vary in value too much for trade-up looting to make any sense. If someone rolls and wins a Hierophant's Cloak, yes they get to roll and win level 60 spells from the Emperor. That's how it works. I won't allow people to corpse items if they're lore, but as far as I'm concerned someone can roll and win every non-lore drop in my group and if you bitch about it I'm going to drop you.

First off, the group that this post stems from was not even your group to lead. You did not form the group. You did not assume leadership at any point during the group after you joined. That simple fact alone says "Shut up."

Second, as others have already pointed out in one way or another, such an act is greedy. It has nothing to do with equal value, and using the argument that items aren't the same value as an excuse for one person to get MORE value is a level of stupidity that shames even the lowest of life forms. It's about trying to allow everyone in the group to walk away with something to reward them for their contribution. On the very rare occasions that I win something of even mediocre value, I pass on everything from that point on unless: A) Most of the group is replaced. B) It's a rot item no one really cares about. C) It's an item I want more, at which point I offer up the item I previously won if I happen to win the new drop.

You argued that everyone "should have a fair chance at drops" and the like. That's true. What you don't seem to understand is when a valuable item drops and you win it, you had a fair chance and used it up by winning something. Others still haven't won anything. You no longer have a "fair" shot left. Anything you attempt to roll for from that point on without some kind of drastic change to the group or compromise is an act of pure selfishness beyond just trying to better one's character through an upgrade or money for upgrades.

Your guildy won a cloak. Congratulations to him. No problems there. The moment he rolled on a 60 spell or anything else of decent value, however, he threw a big "fuck you" into the faces of everyone else in the group, especially the guy who would have won otherwise. If you want to suck his dick over it, go ahead, but you're still wrong. As of this post, I think it's safe to say you've reached twat status.

[Cecily]

Isn't the better question, why aren't you there with the character that needs it?

You do have some type of concept of how my guild raids, right? I don't have all of my characters at my disposal all of the time.

[Miser]

Camping at spawns aside,... are you saying someone should be punished for playing the class a group needs or their other alt?

[hatelore]

I think it's fair to say that: If you have an alt of every class over level 5 you should be able to need before greed on every item that drops. Be fair people, alts are people two~

[isiah]

Paul G is a scumbucket.

[isiah]

This dude be greeding on some welfare loots that someone could have used. Tool bag.

[Sidelle]

I would feel like an utter asshole rolling on and winning other nice items if I'd just won a heiro. How can people do that without even a twinge of guilt or even worse, come and post about it in RnF with righteous indignation as if the rest of the group were assholes for wanting a fair chance at good loot. Some people are just un-fucking-believable.

[myriverse]

Maybe if I'd won a Hiero or Fungi I wouldn't. Random everything else, even if only one person goes home with all the loots. Don't care if the RNG hates me, you, your mom, sister, grandma... whatever.

[Pint]

I would feel like an utter asshole rolling on and winning other nice items if I'd just won a heiro. How can people do that without even a twinge of guilt or even worse, come and post about it in RnF with righteous indignation as if the rest of the group were assholes for wanting a fair chance at good loot. Some people are just un-fucking-believable.

It's bc your posting in a troll thread Sid

[Champion_Standing]

You do have some type of concept of how my guild raids, right? I don't have all of my characters at my disposal all of the time.

That is your problem, life does not stop and start at your convenience you miserable piece of shit.

[Ahldagor]

Click disband. I'm sick and fucking tired of people bitching about someone winning multiple drops. Items vary in value too much for trade-up looting to make any sense. If someone rolls and wins a Hierophant's Cloak, yes they get to roll and win level 60 spells from the Emperor. That's how it works. I won't allow people to corpse items if they're lore, but as far as I'm concerned someone can roll and win every non-lore drop in my group and if you bitch about it I'm going to drop you.

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[Sidelle]

It's bc your posting in a troll thread Sid

Shit. You're right. Lol

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[Mac Dretti]

Naw U should be happy slaying npcs for no reward, I mean if you already have a heiro cloak you should be there killing heirophant because you enjoy the journey and the camaraderie of working with other people.

[Skittlez]

I don't think it's greedy at all. I play 3 characters. 1 of which has a Hiero. If I happen to be playing the 1 with the cloak, I should be given a shot. Otherwise, why am I there?

What game has another of your own characters ever been eligible for loot if you aren't even playing them?


Oh yeah, none.

If any dip shit tried to say okay I won the dice roll, brb on my alt to loot, I would just drop you from group and link the item you thought you won for shits and giggles.

[Cecily]

You're missing the point. If I can't get a A A singular hiero from any given crypt group, I'm not going to hunt with them. My 60 character with a hiero is helping get that item as much as anyone else in the group.

[Cecily]

If any dip shit tried to say okay I won the dice roll, brb on my alt to loot, I would just drop you from group and link the item you thought you won for shits and giggles.

<Illuminati>40 Warrior - Elkantor, 42 Paladin - Shedwarf, 27 Monk - Shefists <Illuminati>

20 Necromancer - Lhump, 36 Shaman - Shetroll, 18 Enchanter - Shebreeze, 37 Wizard - ??


This isn't a discussion about Dwarven Ringmail Tunics or who gets to loot the next amber.

[Skittlez]

You're missing the point. If I can't get a A A singular hiero from any given crypt group, I'm not going to hunt with them. My 60 character with a hiero is helping get that item as much as anyone else in the group.

If you have the cloak on the character that you are grouping with, then you sure as fuck don't get a shot at it. If you are in the group with a character that doesn't have a cloak, then by all means, need roll away. NO ONE is going to let some piece of shit switch to another toon so they can get the cloak. If you want loot that drops then play with the toon that needs it to drop. Not the other way around.

[Cecily]

Imagine a world where you hunt monsters only for loot. Oh you can't because you're 40.

[radditsu]

Lore smore. Immergent gameplay makes lore obsolete

[Cecily]

You're missing the point of LORE items.

What does Lore have to do with anything?

[radditsu]

What does go away have to do anything?

[sulpher01]

So basically to sum the thread up... Once you win something in a group its time to head out because you have no reason to be there now.

[baalzy]

Also, if you buy something you should never bother grouping where it drops if you want a chance at getting another.

[Ahldagor]

Not if it's lore. No.

Why would you want to anyway? There's only several thousand other drops to camp.

you're really closed minded aren't you...

[Gaffin 7.0]

LOL PVE

[Cecily]

They see me rollin', they hatin'

[Ahldagor]

Not being a greedy bastard and being bothhered by these disgusting attempts to justify monopolies makes one closed minded. Noted.

I'd hate to find out what you think about teddy Roosevelt though.

great president and irrelevant to the act of looting in a video game. your sad generalization is humorous

[NextGenesis88]

If someone wants shitty rep in trade for an item then let them.

Thankfully this is a game where reputation tends to matter a good amount and karma works pretty efficiently. :)

On the topic of lore, if you are expecting to get another drop then why wouldn't you just be prepared for another drop already? Nobody would even know right? Whether this is right or wrong, I would think you should be ready for it especially if you feel strongly that you should be able to get another lore item. Clearly anyone wanting to stay grouping and on the good side of the group wouldn't just tell them to wait a minute while you kill yourself and loot a second one or come back on another toon. (well maybe I'm wrong here.)

Yeah?

[distung]

Not sure how many of these people actually group regularly in higher level areas, but I've never seen a single person complain about someone else rolling on lore items they already have. None. Zero. Seems to be the minority bitching very loudly.

Scenario:

You need an enchanter/cleric/tank for your group. There's 3 of whichever LFG. You tell them you won't let them roll on a cloak/haste item/fungi/etc if they already own one. You'd rather sit there looking for a cleric/chanter/tank for 2-3 hours before giving up rather than grabbing one of them? Good luck being productive in any way.

Your group would probably rather abandon you and join the others LFG than stick around and wait for your common sense to kick in. Last I checked, having a 1/6 chance of winning POSSIBLE loot is still preferable to having no chance at all. You going tell that tank with Fungi to come to king group and tank for you only if he doesn't roll on Fungi if it drops? Good luck with that. And don't try saying you can always grab another person that thinks like you, because sometimes it's hard enough to get ANY one of the class you might need.

Also, what's your opinion on Torpor? What if a shaman that already has it decides to roll on it when it drops?

[nagmarr]

The other night in Sol B, someone's 'Twink Alt' insisted on rolling (on of all things an RMB) while the rest of the group wanted to award it to the obvious 'noob druid' in the group. (the only one who NEEDED it.) Yeah, of course 'Twink boy' got his way and ended up winning the RMB over the noob. :/ - Couldn't even equip the item as he was a caster. Wouldn't be surprised if you're the OP. -- Regardless of what you think about this greed before need situation, the fact is that this type of demeanor is not only acceptable on this server, it's encouraged. I encourage YOU the reader, to be the change, and take a different approach that empowers others, whatever that might be.

--- This server is overexploited. It's greedy, self-serving, and excludes people constantly (from groups, camps, loots, zones, mobs, owning particular necessary spells and quest pieces by farming them, or putting an outrageous price on them). Please Stop. We know your p lvlz and plat business are important, but playing the game as intended is important to many as well.
I wish my fellow P99'rs here would stop being the bunch of greedy f*cks that we are, and start showing people some love, generosity, and choose quality over quantity when it comes to EXP, EXP groups, and plat sometimes. - Especially to those that come here without friends on the server to help them out, or a desire to partake in RMT. AKA noobs. - If you're going to farm something solo, why not make it interesting and let the group of noobs that's dying for that camp or 'that' item join in on the fun, or at least have a heads up roll if loot should drop. Let's give people a chance to experience the Magic of Everquest we all fell in love with. That's why we are here. When you give a little love, it does come back to you in one way or another. Whether you agree with my opinions or not, i hope you understand where i'm coming from. This server could be so much better if we put fourth the effort, and throw the 'ring of power' in to mount doom. For Middle Earth, and Norrath alike. Thanks for reading.

p.s. I'll never forget the Nec that helped us retrieve our corpses from Efreeti, the Barb War that randomly gave me a Master Wu's Trance Stick at level 4, the countless druid ports when i didn't have any plat on me, the random clicky res's, and when that one guy finally decided it was okay for my SK friend to join the group even though he was "going to ruin the good exp". Thank you guys!! You make eq a better place. You bring people together. That's how you make a difference!

[Skywarp]

Kim jong ill has better rules on loot than this guy. Greedy cockslave.

Ha, Cecily is a fucking parrot from post to post.

[Cadderly]

The poster of this thread is a very greedy player that likes to come on here and whine on forums and fabricate events. I would advise avoiding Paul for groups, transactions, and posts.

[paulgiamatti]

First off, the group that this post stems from was not even your group to lead. You did not form the group. You did not assume leadership at any point during the group after you joined. That simple fact alone says "Shut up."

This post doesn't stem from any particular grouping.

Second, as others have already pointed out in one way or another, such an act is greedy. It has nothing to do with equal value, and using the argument that items aren't the same value as an excuse for one person to get MORE value is a level of stupidity that shames even the lowest of life forms.

It's about trying to allow everyone in the group to walk away with something to reward them for their contribution. On the very rare occasions that I win something of even mediocre value, I pass on everything from that point on unless: A) Most of the group is replaced. B) It's a rot item no one really cares about. C) It's an item I want more, at which point I offer up the item I previously won if I happen to win the new drop.

This doesn't make any sense because Person A just rolled on a 1k item and won, not knowing that a few minutes later a 40k item is going to drop. So now they have to trade-up a 1k item in exchange for a 40k item? Why even bother?

Sometimes you group and you get nothing. Sometimes you group and you win things. This is just such an easier system than squabbling over which items should be traded up which, even if done efficiently, still doesn't reconcile glaring inconsistencies because of how the game is itemized.

You argued that everyone "should have a fair chance at drops" and the like. That's true. What you don't seem to understand is when a valuable item drops and you win it, you had a fair chance and used it up by winning something. Others still haven't won anything. You no longer have a "fair" shot left. Anything you attempt to roll for from that point on without some kind of drastic change to the group or compromise is an act of pure selfishness beyond just trying to better one's character through an upgrade or money for upgrades.

Again, if people insist on adhering to a trade-up system in groups I'm leading that's fine, but I'm not going to mandate it and I'm not going to tolerate people who complain about it not being enforced. There are many of us, myself included, who would much rather just play, roll, and move on.

Your guildy won a cloak. Congratulations to him. No problems there. The moment he rolled on a 60 spell or anything else of decent value, however, he threw a big "fuck you" into the faces of everyone else in the group, especially the guy who would have won otherwise. If you want to suck his dick over it, go ahead, but you're still wrong. As of this post, I think it's safe to say you've reached twat status.

I did use this scenario as an example but to be honest it wasn't this argument we had that compelled me to make a post. It was more because of the many times I'd been grouped and won two or three small items in a streak of good rolls only to be met with a slew whining and complaining. If I win a fungi/hiero, yes I'm going to pass on other *big* drops from then on, but I'm not going to complain when someone else doesn't.

Also, thank you to the many people who have sent me encouraging tells in game.

[isiah]

Piss of Paul . You are garbage.

[phacemeltar]

the most fair loot rules is Master Looter but people are lazy

[Ahldagor]

all this insecurity in a vidya game. damn shame folks.

[xCry0x]

Either establish trade up rules or it is FFA

If i have been camping crypt for a month and not won shit then in 10 minutes a hiero and torpor drop and I win both then how is it greedy for me to take both? What if I am level 60 and the rest of the group is level 57,58,59 and clearly this is the first time in crypt? I have put in a higher net effort to get both the items as the rest of the group combined.

Greed is when a new guy joins the group, 5 mins later hiero drops, the guy wins then says he has to go.

Does it suck when one guy wins 2 big ticket things? Sure. But if you don't like that then dont group with randoms.

[xCry0x]

Oh, and the concept that if I already have the item I shouldn't be allowed to roll is bat shit crazy.

You are telling me that a shaman with a fungi shouldn't be allowed to roll on a fungi? That hurts your group telling him to bank it ahead of time.

I guess when I get to seb I should go strip my character of any lore item just incase i get invited to a group and the item happens to drop and I happen to win.

Talk about greed.. lol.

[isiah]

I stand by my statement that Paul G is a piece of human waste.