The Great Red Jailbreak of 2014

[Tradesonred]

Theres still this possibility:

Nihilum is a big guild, with many players.

Player A says "Hey im not playing this toon anymore, im going to strip it, sell this shit to start an alt, can you hold this shit for me and give it to my alt?"

Player B, not aware of any foul play, takes the 8-16 bags, thinking hes just doing this player a favor, passes it on again to player A who logged another toon.

Player A (who owned and stripped banned account) grabs all the infected items.

Player B gets banned.

We dont know the specifics, i really hope they examined each case individually and not banned people across the board for this.

[Supreme]

Look, Supreme. Just calm down, and think this through. You're not helping your case by arguing with us players. I know you guys have already made a petition or whatever in the forum. Put your reasoned arguments there and pretend you're polite and patient about the whole matter, and act like you want to get things cleared up in a constructive manner.

They're going through and unbanning people that were just involved a little bit, and have no ill-gotten items on them currently. If going through the proper channels, we all know that if there is a good reason for it they will unban accounts. We're all expecting lots of the banned parties to have their bans lifted. Some of you are probably still going to remain banned, but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be.

Honestly Secrets...I do not do this for MYSELF.

I been here since the begining..day 1. This draws into question server integrity and unfair response from the staff because it is a free server. I believe in Project1999 and I am glad that it exists. But to have no validity in server rules or due process is corrupt and a decay on the longevity of the project.

I speak for all players that are caught up in this mess by error of the GMs. Not just Nihilum. Someone has to speak up and combat the half-truths, rumors and lies being spread about the issue.

[Bazia]

they already said if you transferred you wont be permabanned. If your toon was holding the banned gear though after they fixed the exploit then yes you will be permabanned

[Faerie]

if the account in question was a 57 rogue with AoN COF RBB TrakBP etc..and was banned. And during that time you REROLLED a rogue that is now 60 with full VP gear etc would you not then log on your old rogue and move the items over to your new rogue?

If both accounts were owned by the same person then they need to remain banned. The only people that should be considered for a lifted ban are those that did not strip formerly banned accounts.

[mrproudbeard]

Theres still this possibility:

Nihilum is a big guild, with many players.

Player A says "Hey im not playing this toon anymore, im going to strip it, sell this shit to start an alt, can you hold this shit for me and give it to my alt?"

Player B, not aware of any foul play, takes the 8-16 bags, thinking hes just doing this scumbag a favor, passes it on again to player A who logged another toon.

Player A (who owned and stripped banned account) grabs all the infected items.

Player B gets banned.

We dont know the specifics, i really hope they examined each case individually and not banned people across the board for this.

Nihilum leadership accepted this risk by continuing to guild & play with these players. This community is WAY to small for anyone to get banned, reroll the same class to gear up, and do it in a way where absolutely no one but that player knows whats going on.

[Bazia]

Hey Supreme if your guildies assumed this wasn't an exploit how come they stripped the banned characters and distributed the loot to unbanned accounts?

They had no desire to play the banned accounts even though they were under the impression this was a legitimate universal unbanning?

Looking forward to your response 8]

[Tradesonred]

they already said if you transferred you wont be permabanned. If your toon was holding the banned gear though after they fixed the exploit then yes you will be permabanned

lol i fail at reading

again

Enough forumquest for today

[Tradesonred]

Nihilum leadership accepted this risk by continuing to guild & play with these players. This community is WAY to small for anyone to get banned, reroll the same class to gear up, and do it in a way where absolutely no one but that player knows whats going on.

Actually baziah answered this one. It would be silly to condemn at large a guild that has so many players as Nihilum.

If you only did a quick transfer, you are not getting banned.

[Faerie]

Honestly Secrets...I do not do this for MYSELF.

I been here since the begining..day 1. This draws into question server integrity and unfair response from the staff because it is a free server. I believe in Project1999 and I am glad that it exists. But to have no validity in server rules or due process is corrupt and a decay on the longevity of the project.

I speak for all players that are caught up in this mess by error of the GMs. Not just Nihilum. Someone has to speak up and combat the half-truths, rumors and lies being spread about the issue.

Why do you think I'm Secrets?

Anyway, I don't really think you should be going on about integrity. From our admittedly limited perspective, it looks like Nihilum utilized yet another exploit and then got it fixed right away once they were done with it. And it wasn't just Nihilum that was punished, in the event that other people did exploit.

The only people that might be victims here are friends of the exploiters that accepted gear not knowing it was ill-gotten.

[Hatwer]

So did this actually hurt Nihilum's ability to raid/contest, or was it just a public embarassment

[Not_Kazowi]

So we should not have any kind if standards or integrity of rule because it is a free server?

Why the fuck would you play here EVER?

Holocaust could ask the same question when they were banned over the same thing Nihilum did with Nagafen.

This server could get shut down at any moment for any reason deemed appropriate by Rogean.

Playing on this server is a risk and a gamble. The dudes that run this thing don't owe you or anyone anything. This is not live servers where you pay to play.

[MC Epic]

By your example the issue would have to be that illegal substances suddenly became LEGAL. Then when you moved your goods across the border and gave them to your friend (because they were legal) the DEA sweeps in and arrest you because "they made a mistake" lifting the law allowing the drugs to be transported in the first place.

Argument by analogy must be consistent and parallel or it is just a bad analogy.

In our example people were banned associating with people they thought were FREE and CLEAR of all wrong doing. This is not a case of Hacker A accessing the database and unflagging all banned accounts then proceeding to try and move his items off.

It is a "GM Mistake" that now several innocent players must pay the price for.

Time and time again, Nihilum defends their sploits with arguments that basically sum up to "If there's a possible way it can happen in game, it must be legal - because things which are illegal must be hard-coded impossibilities."

And this is EXACTLY why this is a just and necessary ruling. As a community, we must learn to use common sense.

It's pretty clear (to me at least) that if Server Admins suddenly decided to unban all restricted accounts, then it would be announced publicly. This theoretical unbanning (in preparation of Velious to bring back banned players?) would have to be advertised to accomplish this goal. Yet it was not.

Instead, some people discover they can access banned accounts, notify their guild, who then proceed to fully strip those toons. This really doesn't sound like those guilty people figured it was an intended unbanning; it sounds shady as f*** to me.

The fact that the banned characters were immediately stripped directly suggests that it was expected they would become banned again. Therefore, your defence makes no sense.

I'm just surprised that majority of Nihilum members in Teamspeak didn't raise the red flags on this.

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[Vamael]

the big problem about this is there is plenty of innocent people who got caught up in this, just by being handed an item. They weren't the ones who HIDING items, they were given items to use. Without KNOWING that the items were dirty. You would think that the people who Actually did it this would get banned, and the people who were victims would have the items deleted, and the accounts give back. This isn't NIHILUM only this happened to all 3 guilds. Items were traded, sold, loaned to be used. ALRIGHT fine, ban my wizard for having my banned Manastone, don't ban the person I gave a GBS too.......

[mikemandella]

the big problem about this is there is plenty of innocent people who got caught up in this, just by being handed an item. They weren't the ones who HIDING items, they were given items to use. Without KNOWING that the items were dirty. You would think that the people who Actually did it this would get banned, and the people who were victims would have the items deleted, and the accounts give back. This isn't NIHILUM only this happened to all 3 guilds. Items were traded, sold, loaned to be used. ALRIGHT fine, ban my wizard for having my banned Manastone, don't ban the person I gave a GBS too.......

This is a troll.. AZ and RD clean on this one. You got prof otherwise?

- Oppressor

[Faerie]

the big problem about this is there is plenty of innocent people who got caught up in this, just by being handed an item. They weren't the ones who HIDING items, they were given items to use. Without KNOWING that the items were dirty. You would think that the people who Actually did it this would get banned, and the people who were victims would have the items deleted, and the accounts give back. This isn't NIHILUM only this happened to all 3 guilds. Items were traded, sold, loaned to be used. ALRIGHT fine, ban my wizard for having my banned Manastone, don't ban the person I gave a GBS too.......

I'm sure most of them will be unbanned. It's quite a mess to work out, but the GMs here try their best to be fair.

[mrproudbeard]

ALRIGHT fine, ban my wizard for having my banned Manastone, don't ban the person I gave a GBS too.......

I guess you should start playing by the rules and stop fucking other people over because you are a pile of crap huh?

Maybe your guild will realize how bad you are to for their well-being and get rid of you. I doubt it after reading the responses in this thread though.

[Nizzarr]

I'm sure most of them will be unbanned. It's quite a mess to work out, but the GMs here try their best to be fair.

Go ahead and read the first post! They didnt want to send 30 database queries to Rogean so they banned everybody instead.

[BigHurb]

you cant tie in your happiness to these pixels thats part of the game for the other nerds ... dont play and you win immediately and also will feel like a winner and look sexy

[Faerie]

Go ahead and read the first post! They didnt want to send 30 database queries to Rogean so they banned everybody instead.

And the unbannings for people that have items will be decided on a case by case basis when those individuals petition, I'm sure. To pretend that everyone is going to remain banned is just silly.

[Vamael]

are you fucking serious? i AM IN RED DAWN AND I have 3 accounts banned because of this thing, SICKpuppy was also involved, and he shouldnt be banned either he is in AZrael

[mikemandella]

Rd with some dirty whistles? No azrael banned... give prof otherise.

- Oppressor

[Vamael]

I lost my account, sickpuppys, and my mothers account, and her boyfriends. whoops sorry 4 accounts who are not nihilum.

[Vamael]

sickpuppy helped me xfer my stuff.......his account is in question because he has my evil eye bag which is BS he should be released too.

[MC Epic]

Go ahead and read the first post! They didnt want to send 30 database queries to Rogean so they banned everybody instead.

http://www.consumerpsychologist.com/images/cb/Operant.png

Negative reinforcement involves the removal of a negative condition in order to strengthen a behavior (i.e. delete the banned items instead of punishing abusers).

The community would learn nothing from that.

[Vamael]

but, no i agree. this was way tooo much work for the staff to go through every item. i get it not being sarcastic, its not like they are getting paid. It would be tedious, and tons of work. But, at least give the people who are innocent their toons back.

[MC Epic]

I lost my account, sickpuppys, and my mothers account, and her boyfriends. whoops sorry 4 accounts who are not nihilum.

Vam, I've always liked you --- but it's sad that you keep finding yourself in this position of getting other people's accounts banned =/.

[Vamael]

opressor im fighting to get innocent people their accounts back. i dont think its fair of sickpuppy to be caught up in this. I also dont think its fair my mother, and her BF lost their characters because i gave them lowbie gear. Its not like they had manastones, fungis, and aons.

[Nizzarr]

Because everybody that helped transfers or got some random items from this deserve to be banned.

This is a players fault or admins fault? Why were these account unbanned? How could one know?

Somebody in my guild that was unbanned that day decided to give the guild bank some/all of his items, that guild bank account deserve to be banned?

[krazyGlue]

confirmed sickpuppy not banned

[Vamael]

thats good, he had a bag on him. So it was a dirty pixel, but whats the difference between a GBS and a EE bag.

[MC Epic]

Because everybody that helped transfers or got some random items from this deserve to be banned.

This is a players fault or admins fault? Why were these account unbanned? How could one know?

Somebody in my guild that was unbanned that day decided to give the guild bank some/all of his items, that guild bank account deserve to be banned?

1) YES, per the terms of the stated GM decision.

2) IT'S THE PLAYER'S FAULT - Why were these account unbanned How could one know? EXACTLY.

3) YES, per the terms of the stated GM decision.



Good day to you sir.

[Vamael]

he was banned over this, and i have been fighting to get him unbanned, but there are other people in his position that should be unbanned too.

[Nizzarr]

1) YES, per the terms of the stated GM decision.

2) IT'S THE PLAYER'S FAULT - Why were these account unbanned How could one know? EXACTLY.

3) YES, per the terms of the stated GM decision.



Good day to you sir.

You're a fucking retard.

[MC Epic]

thats good, he had a bag on him. So it was a dirty pixel, but whats the difference between a GBS and a EE bag.

He did not have dirty pixel on him - re-read the first post in thread.

He also volunteered his character for suspension & investigation during the initial call by GM's in server chat for confession.

[Vamael]

HE only had an evil eye bag, i've spoken with him. IT was my bag....he didnt delete it. But its not about RUINING rep, its about people who are innocent who got caught up in this crap. He was unbanned im happy for that, he was banned temp. I checked with him day to day making sure he was unbanned.

[Pokeman]

yall need to calm the fuck down things gonna be ok even w/o a couple pixels

[Derubael]

And how is someone supposed to know that? Do you need to petition a gm every time before a trade to make sure the account it is coming from isn't supposed to be banned?


If a player knew that items transferred to them would result in being banned would not have done it otherwise.

Trade items from a "GM mistake" unbanned account..get perma-banned.

Or you guys could, you know, not associate with people who have dirty ass-whistles. Everyone who was transferred items knew those characters were banned. Everyone who was transferred items knew who they were associating with. Be more cautious, and you won't need to worry about it.

Wait.

You are going to now claim that these players KNEW it was an exploit..was informed that the accounts were not suppose to be unbanned...then proceeded to try and strip their banned accounts by moving items off to their friends accounts?

Sounds legit.

This is really a contradiction to what Durabel said in his opening post...since it was a GM mistake and not a "exploit".

What do you think an 'exploit' is? It's a mistake made in the code that can be abused to gain an unfair or unintended advantage. By your logic, duping isn't an exploit. Next.

What rule was broken?

Where is the rule that states if a GM makes a mistake and unbans an account that ANY player that associated with that banned account, knowingly or unknowingly, will also be banned?

Your argument is biased because you are unable to compete ingame and have to twist the rules out of game.

It's that unspoken rule that says "if you find something you think might even be remotely kind of sort of maybe an exploit, report it immediately, or you can gtfo".

You know, that one we made a huge deal about in a big ass announcement thread when 2 people in TMO got caught duping, so we went after any account they had logged in even a single time. Where we also suggested that if you abuse an exploit you are putting not only yourself but everyone around you at risk?

Was that message just not clear enough for everyone? We had hoped it was, but I'll keep in mind that another example may need to be made in the future, because some people still don't get it.

By your example the issue would have to be that illegal substances suddenly became LEGAL. Then when you moved your goods across the border and gave them to your friend (because they were legal) the DEA sweeps in and arrest you because "they made a mistake" lifting the law allowing the drugs to be transported in the first place.

Argument by analogy must be consistent and parallel or it is just a bad analogy.

In our example people were banned associating with people they thought were FREE and CLEAR of all wrong doing. This is not a case of Hacker A accessing the database and unflagging all banned accounts then proceeding to try and move his items off.

It is a "GM Mistake" that now several innocent players must pay the price for.

It's more like somebody raided 15 different police stations' confiscated drug stash's because the doors were left unlocked, and then handed the drugs to someone and said 'take these across the border, Juan Pepito, its legit don't worry, the police left the doors open because they want us to take the drugs', and young Pepito took the drugs even though he knew that 15 other police stations doors were left unlocked that day (because all of Pepito's friends and family were talking about it), and maybe (just maybe) that wasn't intentional.

Clearly this is all a setup to rid Red99 of Nihilum. A "glitch" to unban accounts, knowing that most of the banned accounts where Nihilum members

That's quite the hat you got their pal. Although it's weird that every guild has banned accounts, lots of people knew about this by the time I was made aware of it, and yet almost none of them took advantage of it. DATS WEIRD RITE?

It is entrapment.

Entrapment in its most basic form.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

Don't associate with dirty whistles, and you won't have to worry about getting your whistle dirty. Pretty simple.

[Vamael]

he is the one who actually xfered my items for me from my wizard to my new wizard. i couldn't take the bag because it was lore.

[Faerie]

I think I'm in love <3

[mikemandella]

Derubael just won the thread...

- Oppressor

[MC Epic]

You're a fucking retard.

http://excellentquotations.com/Images-EQ/smallQuotesImages/46705_small.jpg

[Alecta]

R99 Jailbreak : dirty whistles :: this thread : bad analogies

[Hatwer]

Smokeandmirrors <Cheaters> has been defeated by Derubael <The Law> in The Red 99 Forums!

[Buhbuh]

Supreme, you gotta stop, bro.

Dude, you guys have had a personal vendetta against the recent PnP and found any non-written rule to exploit it to its fullest extent for gain. When it was first introduced, In SolB one day, Sirken had asked anyone who died in the battle for ragefire to leave all zones even remotely related to the PvP going on (meaning they died and were now done fighting for the remainder of the battle), and then days later in Dreadlands, because it wasn't written anywhere, and because we stupidly made the assumption you would honor that same criteria from only days prior, you guys started rezzing in and rejoining the fight even before we zoned and you received some vague sense of "zone control," as if it still weren't definitively being contested. Basically, being fucksticks.

You aren't a moron, clearly. I can imagine you know what it means to be impartial and not a complete ass clown.

Separate yourself from you guild tag and think about how you would act on a server you wanted to preserve. The GMs umbrella term "don't be a dick" means being able to be humbled in game, accept loss, and not constantly looking for small technically sound or valid exploitable situations to turn the tide into your favor.

Which you're doing right now.

[quido]

why do guilds re-invite and re-gear banned players? surely this condones cheating/exploiting etc

Limited server...no player base..people hate poop-socking blue raid content?

This is the most lol-worthy post in here.

Limited server...no player base.... so let's enable the worst sorts of people here to easily play again when they should actually be suffering the consequences of their bans.

WE NEED PEOPLE ... OFFER POWERLEVELS AND GEAR TO THOSE TOXIC ENOUGH TO ALREADY BE BANNED

it's a good way to keep your own numbers up (and it's worked!), but it's shitty for the server because lots of decent folks don't want any part in that

[Fame]

Shut up supreme

[oil]

i don't really see why Deru tried to justify himself in here at such length

Supreme and Elderan should be honored that they were even given a response to their http://www.femonite.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/boycrying.jpg

If you don't like it you can just git out etc.. oh yea fucking addicts, you won't do it

and if you were banned without any inkling of knowledge regarding these events, you should GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS AND MAKE A CASE. it works

[Fame]

Somebody in my guild that was unbanned that day decided to give the guild bank some/all of his items, that guild bank account deserve to be banned?

You are slime.

[Giovanni]

Perhaps this event will cause all guild leaders to take a more critical look at their rosters and cut those players who consistently break the rules.

There are now three healthy raid guilds on the server and a few small crews so the recruitment options are out there.

Proactively prune your own rosters so you won't have to complain to the GM's when they do it for you with a chainsaw.

[Elderan]

Or you guys could, you know, not associate with people who have dirty ass-whistles. Everyone who was transferred items knew those characters were banned. Everyone who was transferred items knew who they were associating with. Be more cautious, and you won't need to worry about it.

You are better than this. We talked about it and you dang well know it is impossible to know what someone was thinking when this happened.

What do you think an 'exploit' is? It's a mistake made in the code that can be abused to gain an unfair or unintended advantage. By your logic, duping isn't an exploit. Next.

I think the word exploit is being throw around far too often. This wasn't an exploit and more of a mistake by the staff.

It's that unspoken rule that says "if you find something you think might even be remotely kind of sort of maybe an exploit, report it immediately, or you can gtfo".

Problem is as I explained before. No one really knew what was happening. I think things are easy to see after the fact but during the heat of it that wasn't the case. Most people truly though these accounts were unbanned on purpose.

Was that message just not clear enough for everyone? We had hoped it was, but I'll keep in mind that another example may need to be made in the future, because some people still don't get it.

The only example gained from this case is that GMs can and will change/bend the rules to whatever whim they are currently on.

Don't associate with dirty whistles, and you won't have to worry about getting your whistle dirty. Pretty simple.

This statement gives this sever and bad name when in fact there are few dirty players on this server.

For example Lite 2-3 boxes all the time. Wrong yes and slightly dirty but I still would not want him perm banned. I would like for him to stop the boxing though.

This is a simple case of a GM defending the actions of the staff even though they were wrong. Pretty simple really.

[Quineloe]

Why were these account unbanned? How could one know?

Some guy tried to feed us some story about him attempting to log into his banned accounts every few days or so over a year or a half. That was very believable.

I think the word exploit is being throw around far too often. This wasn't an exploit and more of a mistake by the staff.
.


Can you define that mistake?

[azaya]

Ok this thread has me somewhat concerned.

I'm very new to P99, but several times I've been asked to do item transfers for random people.

Being the nice person I am I do it for them, but then how do I know I won't get caught up in something that would get my own account banned?

Should I just avoid doing transfers for anyone?

[Giovanni]

I would love to see accounts tied to cellphones or something similar to help reduce two and three boxing.

Got way too many girlfriends, pet dogs, and nephews in Thailand that are maining buff/port bots.

[Fame]

You are better than this. We talked about it and you dang well know it is impossible to know what someone was thinking when this happened.



I think the word exploit is being throw around far too often. This wasn't an exploit and more of a mistake by the staff.



Problem is as I explained before. No one really knew what was happening. I think things are easy to see after the fact but during the heat of it that wasn't the case. Most people truly though these accounts were unbanned on purpose.



The only example gained from this case is that GMs can and will change/bend the rules to whatever whim they are currently on.



This statement gives this sever and bad name when in fact there are few dirty players on this server.

For example Lite 2-3 boxes all the time. Wrong yes and slightly dirty but I still would not want him perm banned. I would like for him to stop the boxing though.

This is a simple case of a GM defending the actions of the staff even though they were wrong. Pretty simple really.

TL;DR shut up

[JayN]

How does that person who is just helping even know that? If they did how do you prove it? You cant, really simple.

Perma ban this most toxic player who robs everyone and tries to twist the facts the attacks GM support volunteer staff; remove them from box imo to toxic:D

[marie]

Ok this thread has me somewhat concerned.

I'm very new to P99, but several times I've been asked to do item transfers for random people.

Being the nice person I am I do it for them, but then how do I know I won't get caught up in something that would get my own account banned?

Should I just avoid doing transfers for anyone?

nizzar you should just stop cheating, then you dont have to worry about it at all

[HippoNipple]

I haven't logged in in a while, with all these bans is Chewie currently running the #1 guild on box now?

[oil]

Somebody in my guild that was unbanned that day decided to give the guild bank some/all of his items, that guild bank account deserve to be banned?

guy accepts items from one of his banned guildmates to the guildbank (lol)

does not stop to think it may have negative consequences

'deserve' is not a strong enough word for this grand justice

[Kraftwerk]

I guess I look at it this way, if I had a perma-banned account (which I don't because I'm not a dirty whistle cheater) and I suddenly noticed I could log onto my perma-banned account, the first thing I do probably wouldn't be to liquidate my droppable items. I'd probably go to petition forum and say "Is this right? I thought I was perma-banned" or I'd go out and pvp.

Probably last (or not on my list at all) would be to liquidate droppables.

[BigHurb]

likely whoever got banned if not for this, deserved it for playing red99

[Stasis01]

I like you Derubael, but this is not the same analogy. Drugs are contraband and this is common knowledge.

It is more like the police leave a bunch of confiscated items used as evidence in criminal cases at their front door. These items are perfectly legal and some guy notices his property is out there amongst these items. He grabs his property and on the way home he realises that some of them were on loan and drops them off at his friends house.

The next thing you know, the police smash down the doors of every house that accepted these items and puts the people in jail.

I came pretty close being one of those people that were going to help with the transfer, however, was too busy at the time and genuinely thought certain people like Eximo were unbanned, as he was only banned on association, rather than committing the crime of RMT himself.

This thread is out of control with the metaphors.

[Feniggles]

I haven't logged in in a while, with all these bans is Chewie currently running the #1 guild on box now?

nothing changed FoH always been #1

[Eslade]

Go ahead and read the first post! They didnt want to send 30 database queries to Rogean so they banned everybody instead.

you read that incorrectly, they said 30 db queries per player. that is a lot of work for such little gain.

[Nekkojakk]

you read that incorrectly, they said 30 db queries per player. that is a lot of work for such little gain.

As well as being work they don't owe them.

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

how are people still getting trolled by supreme 3 years later

i don't get it

[Bodybagger]

I'm new to p99, and I know the metaphors have been out of control.... but I personally think this entire thing is a lot like the episode of southpark where cartman turns scott tenorman's parents into chili and feed them to him....




Because the tears are so delicious and salty. Fuck cheaters. Period. Go play skyrim you pixel exploiting trash.


It isn't an exploit... you just took advantage of a mistake in the known rules and accessed accounts you knew were perma banned, to remove the pixels that were banned to punish you? Yeah, flawless logic right there.

Grow up and at least be man enough to take responsibility for your actions. The guy talking about getting innocent people banned hwo didn't know, and the several posts later those people are his mom, her boyfriend, and a friend? SERIOUSLY? I don't think you need a degree in rocket surgery to play out the scenario in your head there. It's obvious to anyone not involved and crying that those involved spread the word like wild fire to orchestrate all of this.

Thread delivers... I just wish permabans actually permanently removed scumbags from server, instead they just force a few days PL'ing and regearing.

[Heywood]

This thread is out of control with the metaphors.

http://i.imgur.com/HpTPeda.gif

[Kraftwerk]

This thread is out of control with the metaphors.

#1 metaphor of the whole thread though was hands down rallyd stating this whole situation is identical to caveman statutory rape.

[Stasis01]

?

[Stasis01]

I agree Rally, fucking same shit.

[Squire]

best metaphor ever

[Supreme]

Or you guys could, you know, not associate with people who have dirty ass-whistles. Everyone who was transferred items knew those characters were banned. Everyone who was transferred items knew who they were associating with. Be more cautious, and you won't need to worry about it.

So anyone that has ever been banned should not associate with each other? That is about 90% of the entire project that has been banned at one time or another for violating rules. As stated before when an account became unbanned it is assumed that the only ones with the power to unban were GMs. By affiliation of that power it can be assumed that the character was a justified unbanning. Follow the logic thus far?

You are demanding that the players recognize that this player was banned and that we must confirm before we can associate with this character again...just to be more cautious?


What do you think an 'exploit' is? It's a mistake made in the code that can be abused to gain an unfair or unintended advantage. By your logic, duping isn't an exploit. Next.

So this was a coding error not a "GM error" there was some inherit code in Everquest that allowed a player to log into his otherwise banned account?

Are you sure you know what an exploit is as it relates to this topic?

It's that unspoken rule that says "if you find something you think might even be remotely kind of sort of maybe an exploit, report it immediately, or you can gtfo".

With this kind of logic anything can be unwritten and immediately enforceable without regard to integrity or notification. And did Nizzar not infact report this as soon as he thought it seemed weird that so many people were unbanned that were previously banned?

I know you can fall back on the "we dont talk about other peoples petitions".

You know, that one we made a huge deal about in a big ass announcement thread when 2 people in TMO got caught duping, so we went after any account they had logged in even a single time. Where we also suggested that if you abuse an exploit you are putting not only yourself but everyone around you at risk?

So because they logged into an account and moved items from that unbanned account to legit characters they thought was sanctioned this parallels to duping plat (ergo exploit).

Was that message just not clear enough for everyone? We had hoped it was, but I'll keep in mind that another example may need to be made in the future, because some people still don't get it.

What people dont get is your ignorance of basic doctrine of fairness. If the accounts were suppose to be banned and were "mistakenly" unbanned then reban them. Allow for a amnesty period for people to return items that were not suppose to be moved from the banned accounts.

People really do not care THAT much about these items that they want their accounts perma-banned because of a "gm mistake".


It's more like somebody raided 15 different police stations' confiscated drug stash's because the doors were left unlocked, and then handed the drugs to someone and said 'take these across the border, Juan Pepito, its legit don't worry, the police left the doors open because they want us to take the drugs', and young Pepito took the drugs even though he knew that 15 other police stations doors were left unlocked that day (because all of Pepito's friends and family were talking about it), and maybe (just maybe) that wasn't intentional.

Horrible analogy.

Using your example and putting into perspective the analogy would have to be something like...

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail. They was not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends and wives also jailed....

All because police made a mistake and allowed the prisoners to leave?

You think that would hold up in a court of law or even pass a logical truth test?


That's quite the hat you got their pal. Although it's weird that every guild has banned accounts, lots of people knew about this by the time I was made aware of it, and yet almost none of them took advantage of it. DATS WEIRD RITE?

Who knows why. The window of time that it was noticed and corrected was very small. Perhaps they just didnt have time to do it.




Don't associate with dirty whistles, and you won't have to worry about getting your whistle dirty. Pretty simple.

Welcome to a 5 man box!

[Nothxu]

This was handled poorly.

People are using metaphors because it is absolutely absurd how you are perma-banning ADDITIONAL characters for helping to transfer or move items off of characters that were once banned.

Instead of permanently banning people, why not just fix the error that was made by staff (it's not like the players hacked and got their characters back) and ban the people that should have remained banned? Everyone knows that you can trace activity and follow where items go. Why would anyone risk getting items back if they thought they were doing something malicious? People were probably eager to use items that have been held up for a long time on a banned character. You have also previously unbanned people because of an upcoming expansion. We have an upcoming expansion and this could have easily been the case.

Post on forums saying people were unbanned on accident, warn people that if they received items from a previously banned character, they should post on the forums to determine the best way to return the items (or delete), and move on.

Banning more people because of a mistake in the code seems completely crazy and heavy handed. I am pretty disappointed in the staff. It's almost like you sat in a room and thought about how you could further ban people that enjoy playing the game and keep logging into to a emulator with 100 people. Keep it up and you will lose even more people.

[Nocsucow]

So anyone that has ever been banned should not associate with each other? That is about 90% of the entire project that has been banned at one time or another for violating rules. As stated before when an account became unbanned it is assumed that the only ones with the power to unban were GMs. By affiliation of that power it can be assumed that the character was a justified unbanning. Follow the logic thus far?

You are demanding that the players recognize that this player was banned and that we must confirm before we can associate with this character again...just to be more cautious?




So this was a coding error not a "GM error" there was some inherit code in Everquest that allowed a player to log into his otherwise banned account?

Are you sure you know what an exploit is as it relates to this topic?



With this kind of logic anything can be unwritten and immediately enforceable without regard to integrity or notification. And did Nizzar not infact report this as soon as he thought it seemed weird that so many people were unbanned that were previously banned?

I know you can fall back on the "we dont talk about other peoples petitions".



So because they logged into an account and moved items from that unbanned account to legit characters they thought was sanctioned this parallels to duping plat (ergo exploit).



What people dont get is your ignorance of basic doctrine of fairness. If the accounts were suppose to be banned and were "mistakenly" unbanned then reban them. Allow for a amnesty period for people to return items that were not suppose to be moved from the banned accounts.

People really do not care THAT much about these items that they want their accounts perma-banned because of a "gm mistake".



Horrible analogy.

Using your example and putting into perspective the analogy would have to be something like...

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail. They was not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends and wives also jailed....

All because police made a mistake and allowed the prisoners to leave?

You think that would hold up in a court of law or even pass a logical truth test?



Who knows why. The window of time that it was noticed and corrected was very small. Perhaps they just didnt have time to do it.





Welcome to a 5 man box!

shut the fuck up dude

[Nothxu]

It's also funny that the GMs are saying "whoa lots of shitty metaphors" when your own GM started the thread with a shitty metaphor.

Lame shit.

[Koota]

SHUT THE FUCK UP DUDE,, GODDAMN !!!

He makes valid points. Relax, psycho.

[Derubael]

I will be the first to admit that every analogy in this thread is fucking terrible.

Except caveman rape. That one was A+.

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

i for one am proud of derupal for taking a firm stance against these exploiting scumbags who tried to cover their tracks by spreading items across multiple characters

if you guys dont want to get banned, how about you dont pull shady shit and try to make a mess that you hope the GMs wont clean up

if anyone is actually innocent, maybe they should direct their complaints to the piece of shit that included them in their scumbaggery, or better yet realize that it's their fault for affiliating themselves with the guild that harbors the largest(by a massive margin) concentration of filthy whistle players the server has ever seen

[Pokeman]

sum1 quote the caveman rape post :o too many tears in this thread to wade through and find

[Nothxu]

You should be the first one admit you handled the situation poorly and rectify it by unbanning the people who were not banned in the first place. Give them a chance to give whatever items they got back. Everything can be fucking tracked, why would someone transfer items on a massively geared level 60 if they thought there was any risk running into issues?

This is actually the only decent analogy with some edits:

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail because they fucked up their work schedule and left their posts. Prisoners have been released before for no reason and nothing ever happened to them, sometimes this police station does this. They were not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends, boyfriends, and wives also jailed....

The police that did the executions themselves had beef with the prisoners and their relatives and hoped for more executions for people who they knew would help them.

[karsten]

I will be the first to admit that every analogy in this thread is fucking terrible.

Except caveman rape. That one was A+.

yeah dude, throw your weight around and then troll people, that's professional

[Pokeman]

You should be the first one admit you handled the situation poorly and rectify it by unbanning the people who were not banned in the first place. Give them a chance to give whatever items they got back. Everything can be fucking tracked, why would someone transfer items on a massively geared level 60 if they thought there was any risk running into issues?

This is actually the only decent analogy with some edits:

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail because they fucked up their work schedule and left their posts. Prisoners have been released before for no reason and nothing ever happened to them, sometimes this police station does this. They were not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends, boyfriends, and wives also jailed....

The police that did the executions themselves had beef with the prisoners and their relatives and hoped for more executions for people who they knew would help them.

lol go outside

[Nocsucow]

You should be the first one admit you handled the situation poorly and rectify it by unbanning the people who were not banned in the first place. Give them a chance to give whatever items they got back. Everything can be fucking tracked, why would someone transfer items on a massively geared level 60 if they thought there was any risk running into issues?

This is actually the only decent analogy with some edits:

1 police station released 15 prisoners from jail because they fucked up their work schedule and left their posts. Prisoners have been released before for no reason and nothing ever happened to them, sometimes this police station does this. They were not given a reason or explanation they just knew they could leave. So they left. During this time they went to a grocery store and bought food, some went home and slept, some went and got laid (jail cornhole is not satisfying). The next day it is on the news that 15 prisoners escaped from jail and that they are wanted by law enforcement.

Before any prisoners can turn themselves in they are all shot and killed on sight. Family that allowed them to stay overnight where also arrested and put into jail. The grocery clerk that sold them food also jailed for aiding escaped convicts. Their girlfriends, boyfriends, and wives also jailed....

The police that did the executions themselves had beef with the prisoners and their relatives and hoped for more executions for people who they knew would help them.
If the prisoners knew they had a life sentence I'm sure they knew them going home would be a problem..... again another fucking idiot for the books

[bubur]

if anyone is actually innocent, maybe they should direct their complaints to the piece of shit that included them in their scumbaggery, or better yet realize that it's their fault for affiliating themselves with the guild that harbors the largest(by a massive margin) concentration of filthy whistle players the server has ever seen

or just politely post in the petition forums and wait patiently.

if we learned anything from this event.. its that the staff are people. they're people who have feelings and try to make reasonable compromises for the upkeep (note: not necessarily the same as "good") of the server that may or may not affect other people's feelings or hard work.

they're doing many of us a huge favor every single second they don't pull the damn plug on the whole thing.

if you got banned, and didn't cheat/knowingly encourage cheating, go over to the ol support threads and explain the situation. your case will be kindly considered by one of the many humans who is tasked with that job.

shit happens. if you're guilty of being fully cognizant of the unbanning error and STILL helped transfer items, why don't you just go explain the honest circumstances? they'll probably deeply appreciate you stating your case there, in private, rather than letting tears flow for maximum public effect. and lemmie tell ya, if people 'appreciate' the way you approach them, you'll have a whole fuckton of a better chance getting them to help you out/understand your misgivings



edit: oh the irony of this whole thing is that the people who decided on the solution (bannings) are probably not even the same people responsible for the programming error! need to take a step back and look at this realistically.. this shit is so far away from real-world drugs/jailbreaks/fuckinganything

[Nothxu]

If the prisoners knew the had a life sentence I'm sure they knew them going home would be a problem..... again another fucking idiot for the books

No such thing as a life sentence here. Sometimes characters are unbanned in front of upcoming expansions.

Do you even play on red? Kindly go back to blue and circle jerk in Karnor's.

[Nocsucow]

Red pop been at 180+ all day...... red is thriving

[Nocsucow]

Just because I don't have my red chars in my SIG doesn't mean I don't play fucktard

[Nothxu]

Then who are you? Stay anonymous you pussy.

We all care about your level 31 cleric on blue, haha. What a sig.

[Nocsucow]

Epic 31 cleric.... keep hating son

PS. I love watching your ass cry all day ........ pussy

[Tradesonred]

Or you guys could, you know, not associate with people who have dirty ass-whistles. Everyone who was transferred items knew those characters were banned. Everyone who was transferred items knew who they were associating with. Be more cautious, and you won't need to worry about it.


Thats way too much assumption to be making ban decisions about. Take me for example. I stopped playing something about 8month to a year ago. I only started playing again a week ago. Now, i wont be joining Nihilum again, but for the sake of argument, lets say i did around the time these unbannings happened. I would probably not have known who the fuck were all these banned characters.

Now probably these people were in voice saying HOLY SHIT my characters been unbanned, quick take my items before it gets banned again. But thats an assumption.
If the person did not tell me that his character was banned and handed me items, like i was handed a dracolich 2h on day2 of being in Nihilum, it would have been because i quote unquote "knew who i was associating with" and would have been banned for this.

Unless you know for sure that this is what happened in voice, youre making assumptions.

[Kraftwerk]

sum1 quote the caveman rape post :o too many tears in this thread to wade through and find

Ask and you shall receive:

This is a bit like putting a gorgeous naked girl in front of a caveman then putting him in prison for life because she was under 18.. how the fuck is he supposed to know that.

[bubur]

Epic 31 cleric.... keep hating son

PS. I love watching your ass cry all day ........ pussy

times like these could use a good yt tracker to check ppl like this

[Nocsucow]

Yea because yt tracker is so accurate

[sprinkle16]

Confirmed all my accounts fine

and the one banned char I have, steaks

if I knew she was unbanned id play her

not strip her.

Guess that's the difference im not a shitbag.

I hope every person who touched a banned item stays banned forever, long live red99

just kidding.

[karsten]

Thats way too much assumption to be making ban decisions about.

yep




and yes, GMs are people: fallable and need to be given a break on that. That said, making decisions and then trolling people when they react is A: unprofessional and B: becoming the modus operandi.

You bust your ass here to help run the server, and you don't get paid, and I can collectively say that we appreciate that. It doesn't give you carte blanch to power trip and then troll people after you do. You're better than that.

[krazyGlue]

Bump new sig

[Lojik]

Lol at you nerds crying about unprofessionalism... iksar aint gettin paid for this shit.

[Clark]

Zero tolerance for deliberate and malignant exploitation. Good on the staff for following through.

[Tradesonred]

And you know, not everyone reads the forums.

So I hope this was repeatedly announced in-game

[Bamz4l]

I think this unbanning was a great idea to catch the people who have been evading their initial bans by re-rolling. This community doesn't want you here anymore, don't you get it?

[Fame]

That is about 90% of the entire project that has been banned at one time or another for violating rules.

Not everyone is cheating piece of shit like you. 90% of this box plays by the rules and will continue to do so. lol at the idea of the box being done after it is purged of the blight that is nihi LOL right in your fucking face.

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/uploads/monthly_12_2013/post-45702-0-56072400-1386285385.gif

[Pokeman]

sshh babies sleepin all tuckered out

http://i.imgur.com/YYAxMP8.jpg

[Nothxu]

Epic 31 cleric.... keep hating son

PS. I love watching your ass cry all day ........ pussy

Damn, you got a cleric EPIC?!?!?! On blue?!!?!?

Stop derailing thread please non-factor.

[Pokeman]

o fuk sum1 woke baby

[Nocsucow]

Damn, you got a cleric EPIC?!?!?! On blue?!!?!?

Stop derailing thread please non-factor.

Just quit crying ... grow the fuck up..... I'm Glad I'm. A non factor on a elf simulator .. your a non factor in life.... keep crying you pussy ....

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

feels good not being a scumlord and getting banned for it

[Nothxu]

Just quit crying ... grow the fuck up..... I'm Glad I'm. A non factor on a elf simulator .. your a non factor in life.... keep crying you pussy ....

Yes, you are a non-factor here on red, which is why I asked you to stop posting on here.

You have 2 level 60s on blue, damn bro, your RL must be way more awesome than mine!

[Faerie]

It's funny and sad that Supreme thinks 90% of the players here have been banned, and fallaciously uses that as an argument in support of the exploiters and their friends here.

The GMs are taking a hard stance here, and I only hope that it keeps up until all the cheaters have been run off the server.

It's dangerous to hang around with people breaking the rules and doing shady things on Red99. Tell your friends.

[Nocsucow]

. Wahhh I'm mad , wahhhh a bluebie is posting in a red thread , wahhhhhh, I call people who I don't know , non factors ,, wahhh he's interrupting my grown man tears

This is about all I get from you^

[Aenor]

iksar aint gettin paid for this shit.

[King Chip]

So many terrible analogies and metaphors, all from Nihilum. Stop being such scum already.

[Lightatom]

I will be the first to admit that every analogy in this thread is fucking terrible.

Except caveman rape. That one was A+.

Pretty much how alot of people feel about some of the current staff's methods whom say their handling wack ass shituations like this 1 the best way possible.

So in a way I guess we feel your pain Derpuable, Daily... atleast you only had to suffer reading this post.

[Fawqueue]

This entire thread is like if you left drugs on the side of the road, near the border, with a caveman. And he got a ride from his best friend / total stranger who happened to be an 18 year old blonde girl. She dropped him off at jail, which happened to have all the doors unlocked. And in a pixel-lust he defended himself to the point of ridicule because his nametag said "Supreme".

There, one final metaphor to sum up everything.

[evilldacbane]

I like this thread. And for the record, I made no attempts to log smallmee in, even though his ban is unjust, because I'm not a scumbag.

[BrobbVZ]

It truly amazes me how far people will go in the deep end in attempt to save face. I'm convinced;they will try to justify anything at this point.

[Sirken]

I say again...a GM mistake is now an exploit?
Players moving items from their unbanned accounts is an exploit?
:confused:

taking advantage of a server error or GM mistake is absolutely considered an exploit. if Rogean changed code that allowed a plat dupe, should you be allowed to dupe because it was a GM mistake?

you guys evac'd that gear as fast as you could, and you know exactly why that was.

be happy the punishment you're getting is only what it is and not more severe.

[Sirken]

Go ahead and read the first post! They didnt want to send 30 database queries to Rogean so they banned everybody instead.

i think its cute that you think Rogean deals with CSR issues.

[evan1612]

So with all these cheaters banned, time to try out red?

[Nocsucow]

taking advantage of a server error or GM mistake is absolutely considered an exploit. if Rogean changed code that allowed a plat dupe, should you be allowed to dupe because it was a GM mistake?

you guys evac'd that gear as fast as you could, and you know exactly why that was.

be happy the punishment you're getting is only what it is and not more severe.

BOOM

Threads over

[Supreme]

taking advantage of a server error or GM mistake is absolutely considered an exploit. if Rogean changed code that allowed a plat dupe, should you be allowed to dupe because it was a GM mistake?

you guys evac'd that gear as fast as you could, and you know exactly why that was.

be happy the punishment you're getting is only what it is and not more severe.

Really you are equating an unbanned account to duping plat?

You 100% know that duping plat is a INGAME exploit that is obviously something that is not intended.

Accounts are banned and unbanned which is something that is not a "server error". Someone made a "mechanical error" and actually unbanned all of those accounts.

How many times have accounts been banned and then unbanned compared to the number of times that a plat exploit has appeared from a "server error"

This is not even close to being the same thing.

This is not about rebanning the people that were banned...this is about those people that were banned by association. Do you really think that the few petty items that was removed was something these players said "sure i will risk being banned because i know that this account is banned and should not be"?

You are really stretching and requiring a burden of accountability to be placed on the players for a GM mistake that is clearly something that is not beyond the norm for Project 1999.

Why not be arbitrary and at least give players caught up in this mess a chance to return items and be honest about it. Instead of simply banning them and continuing to stain the server with another poorly wrought decision that only hurts the population?

[quido]

lol

lol

lol

@Supreme

[King Chip]

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[Supreme]

moron+internet+anonimity=Jeremy

LOL

LOL

LOL

[Nocsucow]

This dude is a joke..... lmfao ....

[Juhstin]

Supreme high as shit thinking he's God

[Tradesonred]

Really you are equating an unbanned account to duping plat?

You 100% know that duping plat is a INGAME exploit that is obviously something that is not intended.

Accounts are banned and unbanned which is something that is not a "server error". Someone made a "mechanical error" and actually unbanned all of those accounts.

How many times have accounts been banned and then unbanned compared to the number of times that a plat exploit has appeared from a "server error"

This is not even close to being the same thing.

This is not about rebanning the people that were banned...this is about those people that were banned by association. Do you really think that the few petty items that was removed was something these players said "sure i will risk being banned because i know that this account is banned and should not be"?

You are really stretching and requiring a burden of accountability to be placed on the players for a GM mistake that is clearly something that is not beyond the norm for Project 1999.

Why not be arbitrary and at least give players caught up in this mess a chance to return items and be honest about it. Instead of simply banning them and continuing to stain the server with another poorly wrought decision that only hurts the population?

Dude let it go

The fact that they were quickly stripped is incriminating

They got a chance to return the items and didnt

What more do u want?

The only thing i agree is someone getting banned over receiving pixels that he didnt know were contaminated shouldnt happen.

[Smedy]

posting to post, couldnt make it past page 10 in this thread

summary: elderan needs to go outside

[Sirken]

Really you are equating an unbanned account to duping plat?

You 100% know that duping plat is a INGAME exploit that is obviously something that is not intended.

Accounts are banned and unbanned which is something that is not a "server error". Someone made a "mechanical error" and actually unbanned all of those accounts.

How many times have accounts been banned and then unbanned compared to the number of times that a plat exploit has appeared from a "server error"

This is not even close to being the same thing.

This is not about rebanning the people that were banned...this is about those people that were banned by association. Do you really think that the few petty items that was removed was something these players said "sure i will risk being banned because i know that this account is banned and should not be"?

You are really stretching and requiring a burden of accountability to be placed on the players for a GM mistake that is clearly something that is not beyond the norm for Project 1999.

Why not be arbitrary and at least give players caught up in this mess a chance to return items and be honest about it. Instead of simply banning them and continuing to stain the server with another poorly wrought decision that only hurts the population?


no, pay attention. i'm comparing taking advantage of a serverError/GMmistake to taking advantage of a serverError/GMmistake.

if duping was involved, at a minimum, we would have punished every account the dupers had ever logged in to and probably the entire guild in some fashion.

<3
Sirken

and PS - it's not really being "honest" about it if they admit to it after they've been caught and banned by us.

[Smedy]

and PS - it's not really being "honest" about it if they admit to it after they've been caught and banned by us.

u wish to quote smedy when i got caught boxing?

never pulled any of that nihilum "deny it until you make it"

sirken please just perma ban these fucks, they so toxic even pal smedy has a hard time sticking around and my toxicity resist is around 210 unbuffed wtf..

theres gonna be heat, deaththreats and ddos, but remove em now and thrive tomorrow u feels me?

make me gm and ill do it

[Zoolander]

u wish to quote smedy when i got caught boxing?

never pulled any of that nihilum "deny it until you make it"

sirken please just perma ban these fucks, they so toxic even pal smedy has a hard time sticking around and my toxicity resist is around 210 unbuffed wtf..

theres gonna be heat, deaththreats and ddos, but remove em now and thrive tomorrow u feels me?

make me gm and ill do it

u have already your AoN, want another now or where does that nuthanging come from ?

[Vamael]

WOAH WOAH, NO ONE GOT A CHANCE to return the items......

[Vamael]

I gave my mother a GBS, i admited to giving her a dirty item, which resulted in her account to get banned, i told gms she was innocent, they can delete the was GBS which caused her to get banned, I even offered to give the items back.

[Vamael]

Account Zutroy
Character Invoker
Account Oadina
Character Oadina

I saw in ooc a character named North mentioning that banned accounts were unbanned without knowing why . So I transferred my items to a new character that I leveled up, and gave some extra stuff to my mother. I wasn't trying to be sneaky, I know you have full knowledge of tracking items. What is the status of removing the items? Is it easier if i just hand them to you? I would like to do whats right, so i can have access to the wizard account, and so my mothers account is cleared again. I am not trying to pull anything over the staff and I would like to apologize for the headache. I saw a bunch of recent resolved characters who also were in this position. I was hoping I could re petition, thinking my situation would be looked at.


to also help out the account where the items were removed from was
Account Wanuvas
Character Discoteca

Derubael "
Unfortunately, those accounts will not be unbanned."

[Faerie]

Your own mother, Vamael?

For shame :(

[Taboo]

I read these forums and still cannot figure out why a gm on a free server has to explain himself over and over.

Guys asking that gm's spend hours going thru logs to liberate accounts when they all knew what they were doing. Why strip the account if you thought it was ok?

Don't play! It's a game people not the end of the world. If it is the end of your world then seek help.

[Juhstin]

Ban em all

[Nirgon]

. if Rogean changed code that allowed a plat dupe, should you be allowed to dupe because it was a GM mistake?


Bad time to forget that X+B=C, Supreme. You of all people should have known this.

[Lojik]

This thread is too great. Here's what I learned from this thread:

This is Nihilum's guild leader
http://i.imgur.com/8a2WKdh.png

This is P99's "unprofessional" staff
http://i.imgur.com/FIf16CM.png
http://i.imgur.com/XbpJgUw.png

Various banned people
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Health/ht_shock_060727_ssv.jpghttp://www.celebritybabyscoop.com/files/2013/01/343481-baby-crying-500x281.jpg
http://ionehellobeautiful.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/black_baby_crying-1.jpghttp://www.humorlaugh.com/pictures/6_funny_pictures_of_babies_crying/1824-funny_baby_crying_3.jpg

[Vile]

^perfect

[Vamael]

well supreme is trying to say that its the staffs fault for the mistake and shouldn't take it out on the players, well i actually dont agree with that. We all knew it was a mistake, but no one knew the punishment would be so harsh. I wasn't getting away with something, i just figured the servers would be rolled back, or the items would be removed. no one anticipated the gms saying "FUCK IT" too much data for us to go through everyones fucked. I am only making a fuss because there are innocent people in the mix who shouldn't get fucked over. I get it make the punishment to the people who did the xfer, and logged into the banned accounts, dont punish the people who were given items completely 3rd party, and remove the items from them. You have the robber, and the people who were given the robbed product. punish the robber, let the people who were given the robbed product their accounts back, and delete the items....

[Sektor]

well supreme is trying to say that its the staffs fault for the mistake and shouldn't take it out on the players, well i actually dont agree with that. We all knew it was a mistake, but no one knew the punishment would be so harsh. I wasn't getting away with something, i just figured the servers would be rolled back, or the items would be removed. no one anticipated the gms saying "FUCK IT" too much data for us to go through everyones fucked. I am only making a fuss because there are innocent people in the mix who shouldn't get fucked over. I get it make the punishment to the people who did the xfer, and logged into the banned accounts, dont punish the people who were given items completely 3rd party, and remove the items from them. You have the robber, and the people who were given the robbed product. punish the robber, let the people who were given the robbed product their accounts back, and delete the items....
agreed with this.

[Bamz4l]

This thread is out of control with the metaphors.

lol I was just thinking that

[Derubael]

Accounts are banned and unbanned which is something that is not a "server error". Someone made a "mechanical error" and actually unbanned all of those accounts.


No, this was a server error. No one unbanned a single account. The account status was still banned, and the people could only log onto red, not blue.


This is not about rebanning the people that were banned...this is about those people that were banned by association. Do you really think that the few petty items that was removed was something these players said "sure i will risk being banned because i know that this account is banned and should not be"?


Don't hang with dirty whistles and you won't get your whistle dirty. Dirty whistles rarely think about the consequences of their actions, or if their dirty whistle will dirty another whistle, because their whistle is dirty, and dirty whistles do not give a fuck, as evidenced by their filthy whistles.

[Nirgon]

You know when I'm planning a guild Derubael, my first priority isn't to make sure the scummiest people known for exploiting have access to the guild bank... let alone invite them.

That said, a guild bank like that going down in flames is.... probably the highest penalty a group of pixel hoarders could be hit with.

The Duke appears to be turning over a new leaf, but I'm not sure this is what is going to set him completely on the straight and narrow path as far as helping the server thrive. Just bein' real up front here. I'm not sure rustling the Duke is in the server's best interests as there will be a certain return to the dark ages as Norrath is washed over by his thick beard shadow.

All things considered, if I'm the Duke right now, I'm drawing up plans for a promise not to let known scum bags who are banned back in/power leveling them again in exchange for the gbank being restored & sniping a few Azrael members to fill spots. Who knows, he may never have even directly given these people access. I'd also get Supreme to stfu.

[Juhstin]

This thread is too great. Here's what I learned from this thread:

This is Nihilum's guild leader
http://i.imgur.com/8a2WKdh.png

This is P99's "unprofessional" staff
http://i.imgur.com/FIf16CM.png
http://i.imgur.com/XbpJgUw.png


If you made those Super Trooper images then 10/10 for originality

[Nirgon]

Please add faster xp and boxing so the banned Nihilum members can get back on their feet fast.

[Vile]

I just loving seeing this thread title.. makes me lulz

[Tradesonred]

Don't hang with dirty whistles and you won't get your whistle dirty. Dirty whistles rarely think about the consequences of their actions, or if their dirty whistle will dirty another whistle, because their whistle is dirty, and dirty whistles do not give a fuck, as evidenced by their filthy whistles.

Dude are you kidding me

Is Rogean your uncle or something and thats how you got your GM position? Before you ban my forum account, im not suggesting that this is actually what happened. My meaning is that this kind of GMing is so utterly bad that it makes me wonder how your application got green lighted when i read comments like this?

Its been explained in and out how you dont necessarily know everthing thats going on with your guild. Ive sort of been made aware that Lite was boxing during my time with Azrael but he was being very secretive about it and i picked up on a conversation on boxing only once and i was in their teamspeak for months.

[Nocsucow]

Dude are you kidding me

Is Rogean your uncle or something and thats how you got your GM position? Before you ban my forum account, im not suggesting that this is actually what happened. My meaning is that this kind of GMing is so utterly bad that it makes me wonder how your application got green lighted when i read comments like this?

Its been explained in and out how you dont necessarily know everthing thats going on with your guild. Ive sort of been made aware that Lite was boxing during my time with Azrael but he was being very secretive about it and i picked up on a conversation on boxing only once and i was in their teamspeak for months.

Just let it go...........they are banned for doing dirty shit... next time they should learn to control their pixel fetish

[Tradesonred]

Just let it go...........they are banned for doing dirty shit... next time they should learn to control their pixel fetish

Its not the point. Derubael is saying dont hang with dirty whistles as if were supposed to be Total Recall psychic mutants or something

[Vile]

'Durabell' is lolworthy

[Pokeman]

Its not the point. Derubael is saying dont hang with dirty whistles as if were supposed to be Total Recall psychic mutants or something

yaw how were we supposed to know that these ppl with previous permabanned accounts were scum? :o

[Tradesonred]

yaw how were we supposed to know that these ppl with previous permabanned accounts were scum? :o

Yeah, thats my point. Some people surely knew, but that doesnt mean each and every person that interacts with them knows that they are dirty whistles, as Durabell would say

[Ugrask]

Would read again. Many chuckles.

Also, given the date match ups....I mean it was obviously a planned event...AMIRITE?

http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/57426/ragnarok-will-world-end-viking-apocalypse-tomorrow

[Shaakglith12194]

This thread, in a nutshell.

Vamael: "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY MOTHER WHO GOT MY GBS????? SHE CAN'T KNOW WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP I AM! AND THERE ARE CHILDREN, INNOCENT LIVES INVOLVED!"

Nizzar: "Mah guiiiiilldbaaaaank! I thought stripping a banned character down to the g-string was how people paid for their pixellllllsssssss!!!!! Removing gear gets you gear!"

Supreme: "But how could anyone possibly know that the character they should never have been able to log into again shouldn't be logged into and then have all its gear immediately removed just in case you can't log into it again?"

Tradesonred: "I didn't read or comprehend most of this thread, but I'm going to comment, and I'm not entirely certain which side I'm on. I'm for it in this post, and then three posts later, @#$@#$ the staff! I'M NOT A TOTAL RECALL PSYCHIC MUTANT! You get your filthy paws offa me!"

Colgate: "ahahahahahaha"

Caveman statutory rape is also quite amusing. Would read again 10/10.

[Tradesonred]

Tradesonred: "I didn't read or comprehend most of this thread, but I'm going to comment, and I'm not entirely certain which side I'm on. I'm for it in this post, and then three posts later, @#$@#$ the staff! I'M NOT A TOTAL RECALL PSYCHIC MUTANT! You get your filthy paws offa me!"


You mean people make mistakes? Shit! At least im not afraid to poke fun at myself for failing at reading.

And yea Durabell expecting that we should be aware of the status of each characters whistle is pretty laughable.

[Shaakglith12194]

You mean people make mistakes? Shit! At least im not afraid to poke fun at myself for failing at reading.

And yea Durabell expecting that we should be aware of the status of each characters whistle is pretty laughable.

On such a low pop server with global OOC, I have trouble believing that if you have any character above level 30, you couldn't know or have a pretty good idea. If someone is handing you free loot for keepsies, maybe something is up.

[quido]

Supreme: "But how could anyone possibly know that the character they should never have been able to log into again shouldn't be logged into and then have all its gear immediately removed just in case you can't log into it again?"

lol

[Tradesonred]

On such a low pop server with global OOC, I have trouble believing that if you have any character above level 30, you couldn't know or have a pretty good idea. If someone is handing you free loot for keepsies, maybe something is up.

I explained a while back why this isnt true. I was in Azraels teamspeak for a long time and Boxers like lite and Brainz were very secretive about it. I mean after a while Brainz didnt care if i knew he was boxing a cleric in Seb but then again everyone knew he was boxing in Seb. But if people want to hide it, they will. Ive only caught Lite talking once about boxing in months of teamspeak with Azrael so.

[Fame]

10k+ views, lotta guilt up in here. Gonna log in on non banned character right now.

[Rheon]

This thread, in a nutshell.

Vamael: "BUT WHAT ABOUT MY MOTHER WHO GOT MY GBS????? SHE CAN'T KNOW WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP I AM! AND THERE ARE CHILDREN, INNOCENT LIVES INVOLVED!"

Nizzar: "Mah guiiiiilldbaaaaank! I thought stripping a banned character down to the g-string was how people paid for their pixellllllsssssss!!!!! Removing gear gets you gear!"

Supreme: "But how could anyone possibly know that the character they should never have been able to log into again shouldn't be logged into and then have all its gear immediately removed just in case you can't log into it again?"

Tradesonred: "I didn't read or comprehend most of this thread, but I'm going to comment, and I'm not entirely certain which side I'm on. I'm for it in this post, and then three posts later, @#$@#$ the staff! I'M NOT A TOTAL RECALL PSYCHIC MUTANT! You get your filthy paws offa me!"

Colgate: "ahahahahahaha"



Rofl! Best post in thread.

[Shaakglith12194]

...Brainz didnt care if i knew he was boxing a cleric in Seb...everyone knew he was boxing in Seb...Ive only caught Lite talking once about boxing in months of teamspeak with Azrael so.

Filthy whistle.

[Tradesonred]

Filthy whistle.

So what, i never boxed myself, and here i am exposing them for doing it.

[Shaakglith12194]

So what, i never boxed myself, and here i am exposing them for doing it.

It's not exposing anyone if the story was broken many months ago in hundreds of posts. You're just stating something that, as you said, everyone knows. Let me give it a try: Breaking News! Tune banned months ago for killing a guy on a cr during mass pvp, violating the PnP! I never did it, and here I am exposing them for doing it!

So when you discovered this boxing, can you point me to the post on the forums where you "exposed" this information? Or perhaps you told a GM about it? Got a SS or a log? Filthy whistle.

[Tradesonred]

It's not exposing anyone if the story was broken many months ago in hundreds of posts.
So when you discovered this boxing, can you point me to the post on the forums where you "exposed" this information? Or perhaps you told a GM about it? Got a SS or a log? Filthy whistle.

lol i didnt care enough about it, it was a dead box anyway and it was around that time that i left the box for a year. The reason im posting it now is because Lite is making these hilarious threads like "HAY GUYZ, IF U SEE SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY, REPORT IT. DAT SERVER HEALTH!" #1 cleanest bard whistle on server.

[Shaakglith12194]

...here i am exposing them for doing it.

lol i didnt care enough about it...

Which is it, did you expose him or did you not care? Or did you just post it months and months after the fact in a transparent attempt to make yourself not look dirty, even though it actually makes you look very dirty? Feces stains all up on your whistle, son.

[Tradesonred]

Which is it, did you expose him or did you not care? Or did you just post it months and months after the fact in a transparent attempt to make yourself not look dirty, even though it actually makes you look very dirty? Feces stains all up on your whistle, son.

Are you playing dumb or plain dumb?

I didnt care a year ago cuz box was dead, devs werent communicating, i was about to quit the box for good.

Im saying it now because Lite makes these funny posts about being an immaculate virgin

[mikemandella]

Are you playing dumb or plain dumb?

I didnt care a year ago cuz box was dead, devs werent communicating, i was about to quit the box for good.

Im saying it now because Lite makes these funny posts about being an immaculate virgin

Didn't you get de-leveled by Nihilum? Or was that someone else? Oh wait Lite probably did that too...

- Oppressor

[Azure]

HI CASEY!

[Tradesonred]

Lites forum account was banned

I hope they catch him boxing and then ban him, now that would be some redunkulously funny Meta-gank shit right there.

[Buhbuh]

bro if lite was gonna be banned for boxing it would've been handled a long time ago. it's just one of those things we let go of because it's not true or too hard to prove, and the greater accusation would mean that you're calling out gm's for a blatant disregard or incompetence for enforcing their own rules.

so let's take it easy and let it happen.

[Tradesonred]

bro if lite was gonna be banned for boxing it would've been handled a long time ago. it's just one of those things we let go of because it's not true or too hard to prove, and the greater accusation would mean that you're calling out gm's for a blatant disregard or incompetence for enforcing their own rules.

so let's take it easy and let it happen.

Yea not too worried about it, just think its funny posting in the same threads as Lite where its basically, you guys want my picture?

http://www.zingerbug.com/Comments/glitter_graphics/male_angel_in_clouds.gif

[HippoNipple]

I explained a while back why this isnt true. I was in Azraels teamspeak for a long time and Boxers like lite and Brainz were very secretive about it. I mean after a while Brainz didnt care if i knew he was boxing a cleric in Seb but then again everyone knew he was boxing in Seb. But if people want to hide it, they will. Ive only caught Lite talking once about boxing in months of teamspeak with Azrael so.

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/829099266.gif?1387760955


Lites forum account was banned

I hope they catch him boxing and then ban him, now that would be some redunkulously funny Meta-gank shit right there.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/193427u3l1jrogif/original.gif

[Nocsucow]

HAha. Love the TB gifs

[Tradesonred]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/829099266.gif?1387760955




http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/193427u3l1jrogif/original.gif


http://www.catster.com/files/original.jpg

[Vile]

http://nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/busterhandshake.gif

[Bamz4l]

I think this unbanning was a great idea to catch the people who have been evading their initial bans by re-rolling. This community doesn't want you here anymore, don't you get it?

[Derubael]

Dude are you kidding me

Is Rogean your uncle or something and thats how you got your GM position? Before you ban my forum account, im not suggesting that this is actually what happened. My meaning is that this kind of GMing is so utterly bad that it makes me wonder how your application got green lighted when i read comments like this?

Its been explained in and out how you dont necessarily know everthing thats going on with your guild. Ive sort of been made aware that Lite was boxing during my time with Azrael but he was being very secretive about it and i picked up on a conversation on boxing only once and i was in their teamspeak for months.

The people who received items from banned accounts knew that the accounts they were receiving items from had been banned. Nihilum was well aware that these accounts could now be accessed on red, but not blue. So no, your comparisons made in this thread do not make sense. The people receiving items from these dirty whistles knew that those whistles were dirty, and opted to put their clean whistle next to a dirty whistle.

That's a risk you take when you associate with a dirty whistle. No one involved was unaware of the status of those whistles, so stop insinuating that anyone was innocent and unaware of who they were associating with.

[Kergan]

Time to change your signature Derubael, shit failed HARD unfortunately. Any news on if similar rewards will be offered on P99 for donating to them off their website?

Sorry just trying to turn this retarded thread into something constructive.

[Derubael]

:( @ pantheon kickstarter

Taking suggestions for new quote.

[Nirgon]

I got a suggestion. Get that FUCKIN LUCLIN MODEL out of your sig.

Thx muches.

[Derubael]

I got a suggestion. Get that FUCKIN LUCLIN MODEL out of your sig.

Thx muches.

Newp. Only luclin model worth using.

inb4 not classic.

[Shaakglith12194]

Newp. Only luclin model worth using.

inb4 not classic.

Old-school iksars way cooler looking imo. Especially with that custom velious helm.

[Nocsucow]

new quote ... Cleaning Whistles Since 1999

[Kergan]

Newp. Only luclin model worth using.

inb4 not classic.

I have to agree with Derubael here. Old model iksars are gangly uncoordinated retarded gecko things that have run animations slightly resembling what Steven Seagal would look like in an alligator suite running a 40 yard dash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkskuSXqUD0

How about you change the link to the P99 donation page and say "We could use $460,000, donate to something real".

[Tradesonred]

The people who received items from banned accounts knew that the accounts they were receiving items from had been banned.

Ok, thats a conclusion. Can you explain to me how you came to that conclusion?


Nihilum was well aware that these accounts could now be accessed on red, but not blue. So no, your comparisons made in this thread do not make sense. The people receiving items from these dirty whistles knew that those whistles were dirty, and opted to put their clean whistle next to a dirty whistle.

Well i mean the point i was making is that for example, Symbioticforks from Nihilum sold me a group buff spell on my Shaman. If this spell was "infected" how was i supposed to know it was? Hence, my psychic comparison.


That's a risk you take when you associate with a dirty whistle. No one involved was unaware of the status of those whistles, so stop insinuating that anyone was innocent and unaware of who they were associating with.

Again, your conclusion is that these people were aware that the people they were associating with had "dirty whistles". In a court of law, the burden is on the accuser to prove his claims. So again, how did you come to the conclusion that each and every person who received an infected item knew he was doing something bad?

You guys might have made good judgment calls, on a case by case basis. But from where i stand, going strictly by your quotes saying that everyone knew who they were dealing with, sounds like big shortcuts are being taken here.

Im not trying to troll, bait, flame, etc... im just trying to see your reasoning. "They knew what they were doing" is not convincing.

[Shaakglith12194]

In a court of law...
In the Norrathian Justice System the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups. The GMs who investigate crime and the young lawyers who persecute the offenders. These are their stories.
In a court of law...
In Norrath's war on crime, the worst criminal offenders are pursued by the GMs of the Support Staff. These are their stories.
In a court of law...
In the criminal justice system, ban based offenses are considered especially heinous. In Norrath, the dedicated GMs who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Support Staff. These are their stories.


Somebody better call a young lawyer!

[karsten]

I'm a young doctor

[Faerie]

Heinlein always good for a quote.

"My dear, I used to think I was serving humanity... and I pleasured in the thought. Then I discovered that humanity does not want to be served; on the contrary it resents any attempt to serve it. "

"I have learned two ways to tie my shoes. One way is only good for lying down. The other way is good for walking."

Probably not what you were looking for though xD

[quido]

prove it

[Tradesonred]

"Unaware of what year it was, Joe wandered the streets desperate for help. But the English language had deteriorated into a hybrid of hillbilly, valleygirl, inner-city slang and various grunts. Joe was able to understand them, but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them."

Hows that for a quote

[Squire]

heinlein had unnecessary spanking scenes in all of his novels. true story.

[Faerie]

"It would be a waste of breath to tell a man who believes in guns that you've got something better."

[Faerie]

heinlein had unnecessary spanking scenes in all of his novels. true story.

He was a dirty old man, and I don't think any of us can fault him for it :P

[Faerie]

"A man who marries at my age isn’t taking a wife, he’s indenturing a nurse. "

"We may eliminate death someday but I doubt if we’ll ever eliminate taxes. "

"Boats and ships are female because they are beautiful, lovable, expensive—and unpredictable. "

"I think the major problem in growing up is to become sophisticated without becoming cynical. "

[Liten]

So... Don't even know what people got banned for this, no one I play with at least, since I'm not missing any friends! This whole thing does seem very hard on some people who didn't know better thought... Perma banns should be a very rare thing, hacking and repeated offences, one strike and your out on this kind of thing seems very hard, even if I don't have all the details.

However...

All this people saying you shouldn't complain when it's a free server and GMs do this for free.

No shit they aren't getting paid, most GM responses in this thread has been unprofessional at best. All respect to sirken for past work however. Derubael... I can live with a few bad calls. But banning people then trolling them on forums, you're seriously trying way too hard to fit in with the forum/ooc warriors. I find it very hard to see anyone in any game paying for that, so that's not really a valid reason not to bitch a little.

[Pitborn]

There is no other way of describing trying to instantly trade gear off from banned toons , then trying to put one over on the Gm's.

After not playing here and stepping back to other games, you truly realize that the ratio of shitbags/ cool humans is way skewed to the shitbags.

Shout out to the pals tho... some awesome people still get pleasure out of this shithole somehow.

[Faerie]

Derubael never seemed unprofessional to me. Compared to the rest of us, he's downright genteel :P

[karsten]

the rest of us aren't in positions of authority on the box

[MC Epic]

After not playing here and stepping back to other games, you truly realize that the ratio of shitbags/ cool humans is way skewed to the shitbags.

Respectfully, I have to disagree... I've noticed a significant increase in cool humans on all sides. I believe that the community is maturing (thanks to server admins & server staff for working to foster an environment that encourages this).

Fun factor is at an all time high; you should check it out.

[Sirken]

the rest of us aren't in positions of authority on the box

nope, you serve as role models to new and future players

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

no, there really isn't a better solution

don't be friends with filthy whistle scumbags and you won't have this dilemma next time

[Tradesonred]

no, there really isn't a better solution

don't be friends with filthy whistle scumbags and you won't have this dilemma next time

GMs are getting trolled by people like this guy because they like grief for griefs sake, and it might get rid of some of the Nihilum population and they think its funny.

If they earned the ban? Sure. But over just holding the loot, not part of the first wave of people who stripped the accounts? People who might not have known the origins of the items?

Suspicion is not enough to hand out perma bans

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

eagerly awaiting the names of these so called innocent people that got banned from this

[JayN]

eagerly awaiting the names of these so called innocent people that got banned from this

There are none im sure someone will come in lawyering though

[Tradesonred]

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[Nocsucow]

Lmao



Gold

[Sirken]

Sirken, I know you and the staff worked your asses off tracking down the players who ended up with the final items in the first place, including locking down toxx and porting players to a safe spot, but surely there is a better solution rather than carpet bannings.

Sucking players out of our community is never beneficial and the players that make the server unfavorable are not in the list of banned players.

There has to be a better solution to this problem rather than the ban hammer.

there were other options, one of them involved hitting every account the guilty persons had ever logged in to in the history of r99, and suspending the guild as a whole, since at a MINIMUM, 90% of the players involved in the ban wave were from the same guild.

be happy it wasn't worse.

<3
Sirks

[Vile]

since at a MINIMUM, 90% of the players involved in the ban wave were from the same guild.

holocaust?

[Rheon]

Sucking players out of our community is never beneficial and the players that make the server unfavorable are not in the list of banned players.

There has to be a better solution to this problem rather than the ban hammer.

Only accounts are banned, not the players..time for a re-roll for these banned guys huh?..Again.

What does this say about the integrity of these players with multi bans though i wonder? oh wait most of them are Nihilum? must be angels then..:rolleyes:

[Faerie]

Kinda worried now that we're all going to be banned from the forums. Try to be gentle, please...

[COLGATETHEGRANDMASTER]

holocaust?

lol'd