Words Suck

[quido]

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If you like song lyrics, chances are you have a 2-digit IQ. If you find yourself enjoying lyrics more than the other parts of a song, it is likely that you have never read a fucking book. These tacky lyrics fill a void in your heart left by an absence of profound experience put into writing or the spoken word. Whatever has been said in a song, I guarantee you the same notions have been expressed more coherently and elegantly in real writing before whatever song ever existed. You only like them because it's a 3-5 minute commitment.

Take something like a solo from this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBbRrvJt8G8). There's no words, yet somehow he says more than words ever could. Disclaimer: I hate Allman Brothers hippie ass bullshit songs, but you can not deny the power of what he says through playing.

If you really want some powerful/leisurely/fun words, why don't you pick up a book and put on some Beethoven in the background? Song lyrics are like short-duration literature for retards.

Listen to what the Tom Tom Club has to say about words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vl1m5FYlAo

Everything I've said here is confirmed 100% true and it is impossible to prove otherwise. Don't forget to tell your friends - words (in songs) suck.

[Bardalicious]

I disliked you less when you spent more time playing eq and less time making shitty threads like this 1.

[quido]

I don't make many, but I can't help but suspect you are among the lyric-lovers; you've already demonstrated your 2-digit IQ on plenty of occasions.

It's fine, Bardalicious - sometimes ignorance IS bliss! Enjoy it while you've got it.

[Fuddwin]

I wonder if any city constitution had/has in it anywhere stating:

We built this city on rock n' roll....

hmmmm

[Fuddwin]

But what you say makes sense... Just not completely accurate... IMO ofc...

[quido]

Liverpool maybe? I guess most of that would be considered pop now =P

[Fuddwin]

Oh.. and I do love instrumentals... Triple post ftw...

[quido]

But what you say makes sense... Just not completely accurate... IMO ofc...

Of course I'm generalizing somewhat =) altogether it's pretty true though

[Mac Dretti]

This ain't ur Facebook wall dawg

[quido]

Says the guy with 1300 non-RnF posts in 2 months!

At least I do more with my posts than taste Nizzar's weiner

[Derubael]

Is poetry stupid too?

Many songs are just poetry put to a melody. If the use of prose, metaphors, style, and rhythm to express an idea or feeling is not a valid or intelligent manner of expression, go ahead and throw out the majority of our literary works along with every song ever created.

Not saying all lyrics are good, poetry, or worth listening to, but to put a blanket statement of 'all song lyrics r dum' is wrong.

Or did I just get trolled?

[Kraftwerk]

Real Gs move in silence like lasagna

[Mac Dretti]

Red rnf gives +1

Nerd

[Heebo]

Nobody wants filet mignon for every meal. Sometimes you just feel like a big mac.

[quido]

Is poetry stupid too?

Many songs are just poetry put to a melody. If the use of prose, metaphors, style, and rhythm to express an idea or feeling is not a valid or intelligent manner of expression, go ahead and throw out the majority of our literary works along with every song ever created.

Not saying all lyrics are good, poetry, or worth listening to, but to put a blanket statement of 'all song lyrics r dum' is wrong.

Or did I just get trolled?

Listen to most songs without the actual music and you'll be saying to yourself "what the fuck am I doing?" Most songs would be a pathetic excuse for poetry. Poetry has been mostly a fad for the last 400 years anyways, not to say there's not some good stuff. My favorite poem is "La Belle Dame sans Merci." I only like it because of the brief story and the message it carries - reading it is honestly painful, and I think a real story would better serve the cause of its creation. Nontheless, I do enjoy some poetry! I have no issue with poetry itself, but to say most songs are just poetry with a melody is wrong. They're half-rate poetry put to half-rate music and the writers are usually hoping you're too stupid to realize that the individual constituents are crap. For some reason putting them together fools people into believing it's quality.

I'd still enjoy Journey - Don't Stop Believin' 99.999% as much if every syllable was "blah." If people could get over their inhibitions about what's cool, I think they would find that they could too!

song lyrics r dum

[Kronick]

Says the guy with 1300 non-RnF posts in 2 months!

At least I do more with my posts than taste Nizzar's weiner

call the fireman someone just got burned

[Gnomersy]

Tupac was the literary genius of our generation. Rec-o-nize bruh.

[quido]

Nobody wants filet mignon for every meal. Sometimes you just feel like a big mac.

I never feel like a big mac - that shit is disgusting. And I would certainly take filet mignon for most meals very gladly =)

HOWEVER, your parallel holds no water here. The other side of such a parallel would imply that sometimes you need a break from good music to hear some shit music, but even then the cost of both are the same unlike with a filet vs McDonald's.

TRY AGAIN BRO

[Azure]

Admittedly, most lyrics are shallow.

But there is an art and experience to having something put sweetly, shortly, and aesthetically.

You slander all lyrics. As if they will never have meaning on the par of a picture or play.

Throw many songs, pictures, and people together, have a play. Enjoy it for what it is.

Not at all times are we able/in need of a lengthy sermon on love, or play, or hate, or sadness, or anger, or betrayal, or any other aspects of the human condition. Sometimes simple things are profound.

Enough words for you? Or would you like to read Terry Goodkind's Faith of the Fallen to get ur brain re-adjusted?

[Azure]

Yes big macs are pretty fucking disgusting. But you obviously probably know what one tastes like.

And sometimes, all u got is 5$ and there's nothing but a McDonalds nearbye, you don't have a fridge full of premium cuts, or a cow to slaughter and kindling to make a fire.

[quido]

Sometimes! Usually they're just dumb though

[Azure]

Yep.

[quido]

And sometimes, all u got is 5$ and there's nothing but a McDonalds nearbye, you don't have a fridge full of premium cuts, or a cow to slaughter and kindling to make a fire.

What the fuck are you talking about? How is this relevant in the least to my contention that song lyrics are altogether stupid as hell? Yes Azure, sometimes people need to spend less money out of necessity - truly a profound notion, ya moran.

Or are you saying that real literature is the filet and songs are the big macs and you prefer songs to literature because you don't have the means to afford enough books to keep you busy? Or what? We are approaching epic levels of retardation here.

[quido]

I've never had even a single bite of a big mac - I tried thousand island dressing once when I was 4 or 5 and it was enough for the rest of my life.

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJHrmliVQw&list=RDxzpndHtdl9A

[quido]

Get out of my thread Gaffin before I e-curbstomp your drooling ass back to the stone age where you belong

[Lune]

Did Hasbinbad dictate this thread to you through emails Jeremy? It's fucking uncanny-- the arrogance, aggression, subversion. Vintage HBB.

did I just get trolled?

Yes

[Mac Dretti]

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[quido]

Thanks for your informative contribution, Retti. Well-researched, well-written - one could not ask for a finer RnF post from a neglectful father.

[Mac Dretti]

Rustle Mania

[Gaffin 7.0]

Get out of my thread Gaffin before I e-curbstomp your drooling ass back to the stone age where you belong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OORnMYoWX9c

[Mac Dretti]

Thanks for your informative contribution, Retti. Well-researched, well-written - one could not ask for a finer RnF post from a neglectful father.

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[quido]

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[Infuriati]

Shut the fuck up.

[Nikon]

Song lyrics are like short-duration literature for retards.

While I don't agree with quite everything you said, this shit was funny.

[Derubael]

most songs

Many songs

;)

I don't disagree that there are an overwhelming number of stupid lyrics out there, but to put to say they are all dumb, unintelligent, or incapable of presenting a thought or feeling in a valid, expressive, and ultimately succinct way is wrong.

Music is art. Well, some music is art. And art is a way to express thought or feeling. How much you give or take from a particular set of lyrics in a song is dependent on how you view that art. Are you able to identify with the lyrics? Does the message speak to you? Are you moved by what you hear? I understand your statement of "if the lyrics can't stand alone, it's not an intelligent means of expression" and also assume you extend that to the music itself (IE, if the melody can't stand alone, the melody is probably shit), but I would firmly argue that the combination of these two things can expand a piece of music's influence and means of expression.

Would Beethoven's 5th be better with lyrics? No, but he was also a musical savant, and likely felt more comfortable expressing his feelings and thoughts through music rather than words.

To expand upon this, even Beethoven's most expressive pieces of music were succinct works of expression. If you can't describe, relate, or express an emotion in a short period of time, it is likely you don't understand the emotion or thought to begin with. To say that a 5 minute song with lyrics is incapable of expressing thought or emotion better than a piece of writing can is a subjective statement.

Furthermore, to say that lyrics alone cannot do what the written or spoken word can do is a fallacy, as lyrics are spoken words, and almost always written as well. To add upon this, if poetry is a valid or acceptable means (to you) of expression for thought or emotion, your entire argument just imploded because lyrics are poetry. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poetry)

To summarize, yes, there are many stupid lyrics. There are some 'artists' who's entire career is built on stupid lyrics. But since lyrics, writing, and instrumental music meant to express or invoke emotion are almost entirely subjective works, it's impossible to say what's 'better' or 'worse' at completing this goal. The combination of melody and lyrics together can enhance a piece of musics overall ability to invoke an emotional response in the listener, or expand upon the songs method of expressing a thought or feeling. Lastly, stating that the written or spoken word is better at accomplishing this goal than a set of lyrics is a cyclical argument, as lyrics are often both written and spoken.

tl;dr? Saying all lyrics are stupid or that written/spoken/instrumental expression of thought or emotion is a 'better' medium, is stupid.

still pretty sure i got trolled, but I'm bored today so I thought i'd play ball :)

[Heebo]

I never feel like a big mac - that shit is disgusting. And I would certainly take filet mignon for most meals very gladly =)

HOWEVER, your parallel holds no water here. The other side of such a parallel would imply that sometimes you need a break from good music to hear some shit music, but even then the cost of both are the same unlike with a filet vs McDonald's.

TRY AGAIN BRO

I wasn't comparing good music to bad music. I was comparing the words found in books to the words found in songs. You don't always need 1,000 pages to convey an idea.

Enlightenment comes in many forms - if you fail to recognize brilliance in simplicity that says more about your IQ than those who do.

[Derubael]

Yes

A+ :D

[Mac Dretti]

;)

I don't disagree that there are an overwhelming number of stupid lyrics out there, but to put to say they are all dumb, unintelligent, or incapable of presenting a thought or feeling in a valid, expressive, and ultimately succinct way is wrong.

Music is art. Well, some music is art. And art is a way to express thought or feeling. How much you give or take from a particular set of lyrics in a song is dependent on how you view that art. Are you able to identify with the lyrics? Does the message speak to you? Are you moved by what you hear? I understand your statement of "if the lyrics can't stand alone, it's not an intelligent means of expression" and also assume you extend that to the music itself (IE, if the melody can't stand alone, the melody is probably shit), but I would firmly argue that the combination of these two things can expand a piece of music's influence and means of expression.

Would Beethoven's 5th be better with lyrics? No, but he was also a musical savant, and likely felt more comfortable expressing his feelings and thoughts through music rather than words.

To expand upon this, even Beethoven's most expressive pieces of music were succinct works of expression. If you can't describe, relate, or express an emotion in a short period of time, it is likely you don't understand the emotion or thought to begin with. To say that a 5 minute song with lyrics is incapable of expressing thought or emotion better than a piece of writing can is a subjective statement.

Furthermore, to say that lyrics alone cannot do what the written or spoken word can do is a fallacy, as lyrics are spoken words, and almost always written as well. To add upon this, if poetry is a valid or acceptable means (to you) of expression for thought or emotion, your entire argument just imploded because lyrics are poetry. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poetry)

To summarize, yes, there are many stupid lyrics. There are some 'artists' who's entire career is built on stupid lyrics. But since lyrics, writing, and instrumental music meant to express or invoke emotion are almost entirely subjective works, it's impossible to say what's 'better' or 'worse' at completing this goal. The combination of melody and lyrics together can enhance a piece of musics overall ability to invoke an emotional response in the listener, or expand upon the songs method of expressing a thought or feeling. Lastly, stating that the written or spoken word is better at accomplishing this goal than a set of lyrics is a cyclical argument, as lyrics are often both written and spoken.

tl;dr? Saying all lyrics are stupid or that written/spoken/instrumental expression of thought or emotion is a 'better' medium, is stupid.

still pretty sure i got trolled, but I'm bored today so I thought i'd play ball :)

Hmmm

[quido]

I in no way fail to recognize the brilliance and beauty of simplicity, Heebo! We are again debating something completely outside of my claim. I generally pride myself on being rather succinct when the situation calls for it. My qualm with lyrics is not that they're simple - it's that they're stupid; it's just a coincidence that most lyrics are both simple AND stupid. Attempting to lump shitty song lyrics in with other wonderful yet simple things simply because they're simple simply doesn't make sense to me.

Italian cuisine is generally described as "simple" and is some of the tastiest out there!

The way I see it is they're not really related. Whether a song lyric is shitty or not has very little to do with its level of simplicity. It's really about how tacky and terse and utterly annoying it is.

Show me what lyrics you like and I'll explain to you why they're fucking stupid.

[Heebo]

"What Sarah Said"

And it came to me then that every plan is a tiny prayer to father time
As I stared at my shoes in the ICU that reeked of piss and 409
And I rationed my breaths as I said to myself that I'd already taken too much today
As each descending peak on the LCD took you a little farther away from me
Away from me

Amongst the vending machines and year-old magazines in a place where we only say goodbye
It stung like a violent wind that our memories depend on a faulty camera in our minds
But I knew that you were a truth I would rather lose than to have never lain beside at all
And I looked around at all the eyes on the ground as the TV entertained itself

'Cause there's no comfort in the waiting room
Just nervous pacers bracing for bad news
And then the nurse comes round and everyone will lift their heads
But I'm thinking of what Sarah said that "Love is watching someone die"

So who's going to watch you die?..

[quido]

To say that a 5 minute song with lyrics is incapable of expressing thought or emotion better than a piece of writing can is a subjective statement.

Incapable? I fully acknowledge they could, however, they don't! Two half-ass halves don't make a quality whole.

Stay tuned for my new album - we will be reciting Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice against some tacky dubstep - surely we'll sell millions

[quido]

"What Sarah Said"

And it came to me then that every plan is a tiny prayer to father time
As I stared at my shoes in the ICU that reeked of piss and 409
And I rationed my breaths as I said to myself that I'd already taken too much today
As each descending peak on the LCD took you a little farther away from me
Away from me

Amongst the vending machines and year-old magazines in a place where we only say goodbye
It stung like a violent wind that our memories depend on a faulty camera in our minds
But I knew that you were a truth I would rather lose than to have never lain beside at all
And I looked around at all the eyes on the ground as the TV entertained itself

'Cause there's no comfort in the waiting room
Just nervous pacers bracing for bad news
And then the nurse comes round and everyone will lift their heads
But I'm thinking of what Sarah said that "Love is watching someone die"

So who's going to watch you die?..

Kitschy as hell! I would stop paying attention after the first rhyme, and having read the entire thing, I'd certainly be glad to have exercised such prudence.

What a rambling convoluted mess!

[Derubael]

gdi jeremy.

We both know writing is just a way for the government to place subliminal messages inside our heads.

Also, aliens. Possibly Bigfoot.

[Heebo]

Kitschy as hell! I would stop paying attention after the first rhyme, and having read the entire thing, I'd certainly be glad to have exercised such prudence.

What a rambling convoluted mess!

Wat rhyme?

[quido]

time and 409

hospitals use industrial grade bulk cleaners anyways - what a bunch of morans

[Heebo]

That's not a rhyme.

Anyway, I guess it's just a fundamental difference of opinion. Mine being the correct opinion and yours being the intentionally obstonant opinion of a hipster.

[Daldolma]

literature is an objectively more profound and nuanced medium than music

lyrics are literature

op is wrong

[Heebo]

http://16.media.tumblr.com/37jsqloFrn2stxccOlv0f4WPo1_500.jpg

[quido]

obstonant

looks to me like you'd better start following along with your lyrics in the CD leaflets bro!

[Nuggie]

You guys with more "life to live" than jeremy need to stop trying to do forumquest with him. He is clever, determined, quick of wit, and very opinionated. Very had to do battle with successfully.

[Nuggie]

hard.... very hard to do battle with

[Barahir]

Currently listening to a playlist with 23 songs that is almost 3 hours long and includes just one artist. The play list is not even that artists entire collection.

So the assumption here is that some how Jeremy has listened to what is years worth of songs and thoughtfully analyzed every word....


"He had a lot of nothing to say"

Not an overly deep line when taken out of the context but quite apt.

[quido]

My assessment stings because it's true.

Ouch

[Aviann]

My assessment stings because it's true.

Ouch

Your assessment basically told me you listen to too much Lil Wayne.

[radditsu]

hard.... very hard to do battle with

I get very hard for Geromy.

[quido]

I listen to gratuitous wordless guitar rock and classical piano, generally!

[Aviann]

I listen to gratuitous wordless guitar rock and classical piano, generally!

Nothing wrong with that at all. I always wanted to learn the full specs of Jazz guitar, simply because of the way they can project such a scale of emotion, but nothing is better than a song with a powerful message, whether it be through the music itself, or through the voice of an ingenious lyricist. I've always gotten into albums that told a story, especially from start to finish, even if it is hard to understand simply by listening to the blasts of different perspectives hitting you at once.. Example, Vildhjarta's Masstaden. Can barely understand a damn thing he is singing, but when you have the lyrics in front of you, you can feel the powerful message that is being portrayed from both ends of the perspective array. (Most of the songs are about two men and one's hardship under the other)

[Rathnir]

Or did I just get trolled?You are arguing with someone who is trying to define a negative. So yeah, you got trolled pretty hard.

But he didn't know who "we" were,
and he didn't know who "they" were,
and there wasn't any reason, or motive, or value to his story,
just allegory, imitation glory,
and the desperate feeble search for a friendJust a song that this thread made me think of. But I offer the entire repertoire of Bad Religion as evidence against your argument. I'm sure we could have an interesting discussion once you get down to their albums from the late 90s/early 00s.

And just cause I'm feeding the troll anyway: You care for Liquid Tension Experiment or Dream Theater? They have some pretty intense non-lyrical music, not sure if it's your genre tho. Wouldn't argue that it holds a candle to a lot of classical stuff, but it has intricate, maybe even interesting, modern guitar.

[Bardalicious]

All that I've learned from this thread is that since taking a break from collecting pixels in elf sim land, OP has resorted to attempting to portray himself as intelligent on forums for people that collect pixels in elf sim land.

Grats man, you're clearly making profound personal gains since leaving p99 behind.

[Champion_Standing]

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[Ennewi]

Okay I'll bite...

While it can be argued that most lyrical songs stole from or were heavily influenced by literature, the same songs likely introduced a lot of non-readers to the work and pulled it out of obscurity. Literature is just the uglier older sister of music, great personality, no sex appeal. You can't read while doing something else, except maybe running on a treadmill but no one is going to read 1984 at the gym.

Reading is an individual activity and when given the choice most people would probably choose experience something exciting together, even vicariously. Much like sports, movies and songs provide that whereas books don't (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogPZ5CY9KoM)... unless it's an audiobook, but no one listens to those together unless they're stuck in the car with each other on a 8-hour drive to see the relatives or something.

Sometimes music is what makes the ideas behind the written word palatable. Songs with lyrics are just a hybrid of the two. A compromise, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. But when you go to the grocery store usually there's lyrical music playing in the background, not classical music that puts most people to sleep and not some clerk reading Kafka over the intercom. Lyrics make overactive people think->feel, not just feel->think (like with the first link you posted). Because eventually, after mouthing the lyrics to themselves over and over, one day the subterfuge hits them and they realize Sledgehammer is about fucking or possibly drug use. Books can't do that. Instrumentals don't have to.

Without words there wouldn't have been censorship. And without censorship we wouldn't have had as many creative types finding creative ways around the censor. That spreads into other areas like comedy. Bill Hicks is a good example to use here because Arizona Bay incorporated instrumental music in between standup routines.

Also song lyrics aren't always dependent on the instruments, sometimes the vocals / words themselves are inextricable from the piece of music. An example being repetitive lyrics which aren't a feature unique to the blues genre, but they are in the way that repetition is employed. John Lee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9gQeOzQMk).

Another thing... Books written in foreign languages are dependent on the skill and discretion of the translator(s), which could change the entire meaning of a paragraph with one inaccurate word. Songs don't have to be translated to be appreciated or understood, even if they have lyrics. This does and doesn't support the idea that words suck or aren't necessary in music. Not having even the fundamentals of French down doesn't at all take away from the power of this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_JJRN_GFd4) by Jacques Brel. In fact, without words it would kind of suck.

Over the years there have also been many many instrumental covers of lyrical songs. Monty Alexander released an entire album of Bob Marley covers, no lyrics, all jazz. Brad Mehldau has done the same with a lot of pop songs. But reverse hasn't been done. Afaik never has a classical or instrumental song been adapted, given lyrics and vocals and put on the radio. It doesn't translate well, just like books written in a foreign language.

TLDR

Classical music = healer. Literature = tank. Songs with lyrics = hybrids.
Your post = pally hate.

[quido]

And just cause I'm feeding the troll anyway: You care for Liquid Tension Experiment or Dream Theater? They have some pretty intense non-lyrical music, not sure if it's your genre tho. Wouldn't argue that it holds a candle to a lot of classical stuff, but it has intricate, maybe even interesting, modern guitar.

Never listened to LTE but Dream Theater can be alright. I hate that stupid ass singer, but Petrucci + Portnoy = A+

[quido]

All that I've learned from this thread is that since taking a break from collecting pixels in elf sim land, OP has resorted to attempting to portray himself as intelligent on forums for people that collect pixels in elf sim land.

Grats man, you're clearly making profound personal gains since leaving p99 behind.

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremymad.jpg

u mad u dum and i call u dum?

you should come see my beautiful server I've been working on while forumquesting =)

[radditsu]

Can I cum?

[Ahldagor]

Listen to most songs without the actual music and you'll be saying to yourself "what the fuck am I doing?" Most songs would be a pathetic excuse for poetry. Poetry has been mostly a fad for the last 400 years anyways, not to say there's not some good stuff. My favorite poem is "La Belle Dame sans Merci." I only like it because of the brief story and the message it carries - reading it is honestly painful, and I think a real story would better serve the cause of its creation. Nontheless, I do enjoy some poetry! I have no issue with poetry itself, but to say most songs are just poetry with a melody is wrong. They're half-rate poetry put to half-rate music and the writers are usually hoping you're too stupid to realize that the individual constituents are crap. For some reason putting them together fools people into believing it's quality.

I'd still enjoy Journey - Don't Stop Believin' 99.999% as much if every syllable was "blah." If people could get over their inhibitions about what's cool, I think they would find that they could too!

song lyrics r dum

so you like the keats poem where a man seduces a naked child (she's 14), kidnaps her, and promises marriage based upon a superstitious ritual that she did in order to find her true love.

[quido]

so you like the keats poem where a man seduces a naked child (she's 14), kidnaps her, and promises marriage based upon a superstitious ritual that she did in order to find her true love.

not sure where this is coming from - is this what happened in the poem it's based on?

the poem I speak of tells a terse tale of a destroyer of men

[Azure]

Can we get a car analogy for the percentage of lyrics that sux... like there's only 1 car in the world, a good song is like a Ferrari, the rest are like dodge neons?

[Ahldagor]

this is better than 90% of contemporary music.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg9KQ610biU

and Keats' is good but Hirsch is better.

[Ahldagor]

not sure where this is coming from - is this what happened in the poem it's based on?

the poem I speak of tells a terse tale of a destroyer of men

where's my mind. that was the eve of st. agnes. keats' piece of shit works always stumble me because they're cocks are sucked by formalist critics.

try the faerie queen by spenser you might like. he wrote it while destroying ireland.

[quido]

That's earlyish Beethoven too - for the most part it just got better. A lot of it is difficult for the casual listener to get their brain around, though. In my one year as a music major I wrote a research paper on Beethoven's last piano sonata, the Op. 111. I thought I knew a lot going into it, but fuck - that kind of genius is basically all but unparalleled these days. 90% of my listening as a teenager was classical piano of some sort or another. I taught myself to play starting at age 11 (with Beethoven actually! 3rd movement of his fifth piano concerto - a bit much for a noob, but you gotta play what you love) and never stopped. I got into it really hard for a few years in my mid-20s, but I'm more an electric guitar man these days.

Beethoven is the man, but Chopin is raw unbridled emotion. One of my fortes with music is the ability to absorb and imitate, so having listened to Arthur Rubinstein I can play Chopin Nocturnes with the heart of a holocaust Jew.

[Mac Dretti]

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[Ahldagor]

That's earlyish Beethoven too - for the most part it just got better. A lot of it is difficult for the casual listener to get their brain around, though. In my one year as a music major I wrote a research paper on Beethoven's last piano sonata, the Op. 111. I thought I knew a lot going into it, but fuck - that kind of genius is basically all but unparalleled these days. 90% of my listening as a teenager was classical piano of some sort or another. I taught myself to play starting at age 11 (with Beethoven actually! 3rd movement of his fifth piano concerto - a bit much for a noob, but you gotta play what you love) and never stopped. I got into it really hard for a few years in my mid-20s, but I'm more an electric guitar man these days.

Beethoven is the man, but Chopin is raw unbridled emotion. One of my fortes with music is the ability to absorb and imitate, so having listened to Arthur Rubinstein I can play Chopin Nocturnes with the heart of a holocaust Jew.

you drop music major?

[quido]

Yeah I quit because I realized it was something I could do without making a (tough) career out of it. I was a clarinet major but basically gave up when I could only bring myself to practice the piano.

[quido]

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A single post of mine has more substance than all yours put together

p.s. you're a dumbfuck - get a brain moran

[Ahldagor]

Yeah I quit because I realized it was something I could do without making a (tough) career out of it. I was a clarinet major but basically gave up when I could only bring myself to practice the piano.

the arts are fucked academia wise now, sadly, and likely be that way forever. i'm a lit major with 9hrs left. already accepted that i'll be delivering pizzas until i'm 35.

[Visual]

some of my fondest memories are of getting severely inebriated with friends and belting out song choruses

DONT STOP BELIEVIN HOLD ON TO THAT FEEEEEELIN
something something IN THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

[quido]

I got duped into being a music major basically. I switched schools after my freshman year (for a girl lol) and after a year off from the clarinet I decided to go try out for my new school's concert band just for fun and to meet some people. I got top spot in the group and I guess the clarinet prof heard about me blowing the rest of the players out of the water and remembered me as a local player from high school and got me into the better band, the wind ensemble. At the time I was a political science and international relations double major with hopes of one day being a lawyer. After I was already in the wind ensemble, the director (a notorious prick) told me I couldn't remain in the group unless I was taking private lessons with the clarinet prof. At that point they were basically like "well you're almost a music major, you may as well do it, there's some money in it for you" despite telling them I really didn't want to be a major. They went on and on about how a music degree is considered a good choice for going to law school due to deductive reasoning and all that jazz. I gave into the pressure, switched up, and within a year I'd had enough =P

[Ahldagor]

some of my fondest memories are of getting severely inebriated with friends and belting out song choruses

DONT STOP BELIEVIN HOLD ON TO THAT FEEEEEELIN
something something IN THE NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/4286-kill-yourself.jpg

[Mac Dretti]

A single post of mine has more substance than all yours put together

p.s. you're a dumbfuck - get a brain moran

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PmLsErYBhsE/T9icBcOgzdI/AAAAAAAAASA/647SNvMu2FQ/s1600/rustle%2Bjimmies%2Band%2Bchew%2Bbubblegum%2B-%2Brustled%2Bjimmies%2Bduke%2Bnukem.png

[quido]

dat post count

[Ahldagor]

dat post count

almost three times mine...maybe i should stop being social and play red?

[Archalen]

I don't look at it the same way you do Jeremy. I'm a songwriter/ musician, and I appreciate it when I hear an artist who is able to make an old theme sound new. In my view, I don't isolate the vocals necessarily in my judgement; rather, they interplay with the music, and how well they do this affects how I like both. I was listening to a song the other day that said "explode," and the music mimicked the word in a subtle way. That is clever and interesting to me.

More onus is inevitably put on articulation when you read literature; literature is a different art form than music.

Of course there are plenty of bad lyric writers and song writers out there just like there are plenty of bad story writers. However, many of the songs that become popular (from new artists) are successful because they make you feel something - ego, pride, justification, sadness, anger, loneliness, and you feel some kind of emotional connection to them. Or they are catchy as hell and make your ear pussy feel good.

[stonez138]

So songs lyrics are bad because their shorter then books? So longer books are always better then shorter books too right? Does that means Kafka sucks because he wrote short stories not long novels?

[hatelore]

Is poetry stupid too?

Many songs are just poetry put to a melody. If the use of prose, metaphors, style, and rhythm to express an idea or feeling is not a valid or intelligent manner of expression, go ahead and throw out the majority of our literary works along with every song ever created.

Not saying all lyrics are good, poetry, or worth listening to, but to put a blanket statement of 'all song lyrics r dum' is wrong.

Or did I just get trolled?

Go read some Bad Religion lyrics, and be impressed.

[indiscriminate_hater]

What books you reading jeremy

[radditsu]

What books you reading jeremy

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zOXO9Ik45Wo/UPgMMFM-sGI/AAAAAAAAAPk/m9IHeRwlKqU/s1600/tumblr_m3in6hloaR1r1wkwpo1_500.jpg

[quido]

I only read Maxim

[Took]

I agree. I don't even really listen to or pickup on many lyrics in songs I like. I never remember them anyway at least.

[Utmost]

I like this thread. Although I am a bit disappointed to find out that my band name "The Wind Ensemble" has already been taken.

[Juhstin]

I agree. I don't even really listen to or pickup on many lyrics in songs I like. I never remember them anyway at least.

Who let the dogs out?

[Lojik]

Sorry Jeremy but you're wrong. Here's proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2guQYivZ6w

[drktmplr12]

http://i.imgur.com/z9fFKgR.png
This thread

[jaybone]

I disliked you less when you spent more time playing eq and less time making shitty threads like this 1.

[quido]

I'm very concerned with how you feel about me!

I rule and you drool, maggots

[Barahir]

My assessment stings because it's true.

Ouch

You started your troll pretty well but you went back to classic RnF really quick

[Strifer]

Jeremy is the HBB of music on p99 forums.

http://i.imgur.com/MVqVqPi.gif

[justin2090]

one of the best song you ever heard with lyrics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM4CPXOoBfE

one of the best song you ever heard without:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk

[Rhambuk]

http://clutch.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/bungholes.jpg

If you like song lyrics, chances are you have a 2-digit IQ. If you find yourself enjoying lyrics more than the other parts of a song, it is likely that you have never read a fucking book. These tacky lyrics fill a void in your heart left by an absence of profound experience put into writing or the spoken word. Whatever has been said in a song, I guarantee you the same notions have been expressed more coherently and elegantly in real writing before whatever song ever existed. You only like them because it's a 3-5 minute commitment.

Take something like a solo from this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBbRrvJt8G8). There's no words, yet somehow he says more than words ever could. Disclaimer: I hate Allman Brothers hippie ass bullshit songs, but you can not deny the power of what he says through playing.

If you really want some powerful/leisurely/fun words, why don't you pick up a book and put on some Beethoven in the background? Song lyrics are like short-duration literature for retards.

Listen to what the Tom Tom Club has to say about words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Vl1m5FYlAo

Everything I've said here is confirmed 100% true and it is impossible to prove otherwise. Don't forget to tell your friends - words (in songs) suck.

This world would be better off without music. hate 90% of the BULLSHIT that comes out thats nothing but a catchy sentence repeated 50 times to a shitty soundtrack.

I would gladly give up the little bit of decent music in the world to never have to hear another one of the 10 trillion pieces of shit "music" in the world.

BTW anyone know of a good way to deafen yourself? besides listening to loud music...

[Champion_Standing]

Thanks for the demonstration of your profound ignorance of history, music, and literature OP. Luckily for me I feel no need to alleviate you of such ignorance, however I will make a TL;DR for you


TL;DR: You can't sit at my lunch table if you like pop music.

[quido]

words suck

[odiecat99]

why cant you go somewhere and die already OP?

fuck

[radditsu]

Goodbye love
Didn't know what time it was the lights were low oh how
I leaned back on my radio oh oh
Some cat was layin down some rock n roll lotta soul, he said
Then the loud sound did seem to fade a ade
Came back like a slow voice on a wave of phase ha hase
That werent no d.j. that was hazy cosmic jive

There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hed like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hes told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

I had to phone someone so I picked on you ho ho
Hey, that's far out so you heard him too! o o
Switch on the tv we may pick him up on channel two
Look out your window I can see his light a ight
If we can sparkle he may land tonight a ight
Don't tell your poppa or hell get us locked up in fright

There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hed like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hes told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

Starman waiting in the sky
Hed like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
Hes told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

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[Lojik]

Jeremy what do you think of Opera.

[Weyoun the Vorta]

There is no need for music whatsoever. Had there been, the founders would have included it in our genetic profile.

That said, it would be nice to be able to carry a tune.

[quido]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7Qs7H3Yak