Doljon Trains Hate, attempts to KS an already FTE'd Maestro

[Triangle]

So Doljon, on 2/10/14, met A-Team in Hate at the end of Maestro window, knowing in advance that A-Team was scheduled per the rotation to kill him.

That part is ok, we already knew they were dbags.

However, they repeatedly trained us multiple times (of which we have FRAPs evidence which will be submitted to the GMs.)

Finally, when we finally were able to rez up and organize in a lull in the training, Raev (A-Team) sucessfully achieved FTE on Maestro. Someone in Doljon pulled Maestro off Raev and Doljon collectively killed him while we sat off to the side watching.

There was never a 2nd FTE message, and Sirken appropriately ruled that Maestro loot belonged to A-Team..

Now, the purpose of this post is not to gloat, it is to show the server the quality of guild that Doljon is. There has been some debate lately where people think Doljon has been misunderstood, and I hope this post helps those people understand that is not the case.

There is no gloating to be had because (1) we had an extremely frustrating time of getting repeatedly trained in hate; and (2) we could not enjoy killing our Maestro because it got KS'd from us even though they saw that we had FTE.

It was not a fun experience, and it is certainly not what we had envisioned would happen while competing with Doljon... competition is fine but when you stoop to training and KSing it just ruins it for everyone.

[CodyF86]

Whoops guess Ill paste this here too.

[Mon Feb 10 19:03:23 2014] Sirken shouts, 'as per server rules, the mob goes to the person on the top of the FTE list and in this instance that person was Raev of the Ateam, followed 4 sec later by Jettli of Doljon'

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Rellapse36]

video plz

[jpetrick]

Fuck everyone in that guild

[Tecmos Deception]

That's our Svenn!

[arsenalpow]

[Mon Feb 10 18:00:59 2014] Ellies says, 'Hand of the MaestroEvensongShield of the Stalwart Seas'
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:09 2014] Ellies is a member of Doljonijiarnimorinar.
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:30 2014] Ellies bleeds all over Chest.
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:31 2014] Anthony says, 'not bad '
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:56 2014] You say, 'can't wait to see how the petition turns out, fraps are a fun thing'
[Mon Feb 10 18:02:42 2014] Ellies says, 'i just want to make it clear that we are not about targeting smaller guilds with the info from your alls spreadsheet'
[Mon Feb 10 18:02:45 2014] You say, 'well they're locked out of maestro for 2 more class R cycles now regardless'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:02 2014] You say, 'says the guild that just trained a-team for maestro'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:17 2014] Ellies says, 'and i had hyjal pretty much convinced it was best to join the rotation'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:20 2014] Deathdove says, 'i like how everyone crys '
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:22 2014] Tecmos says, 'We'll see what SIrken has to say /shrug'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:31 2014] Deathdove says, 'grats on our first kill '
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:32 2014] You say, 'i don't give a shit either way what you do'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:40 2014] Tecmos says, 'Grats?'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:41 2014] Hasare says, 'prolly your last'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:46 2014] Tecmos says, 'Better ask guild what Sirk just told you guys, Death'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:51 2014] Tecmos says, 'Maestro = A-Team'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:53 2014] Yendor says, 'grats on your first suspension for training, most likely'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:55 2014] You say, 'ruh roh'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:58 2014] Ellies says, 'hatred breeds hatred, remember that'
[Mon Feb 10 18:04:27 2014] Hasare claps happily for Ellies - hurray!

[Tasslehofp99]

[Mon Feb 10 18:00:59 2014] Ellies says, 'Hand of the MaestroEvensongShield of the Stalwart Seas'
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:09 2014] Ellies is a member of Doljonijiarnimorinar.
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:30 2014] Ellies bleeds all over Chest.
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:31 2014] Anthony says, 'not bad '
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:56 2014] You say, 'can't wait to see how the petition turns out, fraps are a fun thing'
[Mon Feb 10 18:02:42 2014] Ellies says, 'i just want to make it clear that we are not about targeting smaller guilds with the info from your alls spreadsheet'
[Mon Feb 10 18:02:45 2014] You say, 'well they're locked out of maestro for 2 more class R cycles now regardless'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:02 2014] You say, 'says the guild that just trained a-team for maestro'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:17 2014] Ellies says, 'and i had hyjal pretty much convinced it was best to join the rotation'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:20 2014] Deathdove says, 'i like how everyone crys '
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:22 2014] Tecmos says, 'We'll see what SIrken has to say /shrug'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:31 2014] Deathdove says, 'grats on our first kill '
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:32 2014] You say, 'i don't give a shit either way what you do'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:40 2014] Tecmos says, 'Grats?'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:41 2014] Hasare says, 'prolly your last'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:46 2014] Tecmos says, 'Better ask guild what Sirk just told you guys, Death'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:51 2014] Tecmos says, 'Maestro = A-Team'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:53 2014] Yendor says, 'grats on your first suspension for training, most likely'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:55 2014] You say, 'ruh roh'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:58 2014] Ellies says, 'hatred breeds hatred, remember that'
[Mon Feb 10 18:04:27 2014] Hasare claps happily for Ellies - hurray!


lol this is too good

[Splorf22]

svenn why must you do these things

[quido]

I remember when Acarer (Hyjal) got suspended while leading Dozekar for training IB because they stole a gorgon in Fear. Granted IB was shady as fuck back then and pretty much got away with murder repeatedly, but still it was a pretty dumb move.

[Triangle]

Sorry, had to be posted. I tried to make it a reasonable post. Server needs to know this type of shit.

[radditsu]

Dirty Roberts strike again. And continue to fail!

50 shades of TMO

[Derubael]

[Mon Feb 10 18:00:59 2014] Ellies says, 'Hand of the MaestroEvensongShield of the Stalwart Seas'


http://i.imgur.com/h44pUfh.jpg

couldn't help it.

[JayN]

any proof and or evidence?

[Nefarum]

There's so much hate against Doljo because they generally stay away from RnF... basically allowing just one side of the story to perpetuate even if it's not the whole story.

There was never any intentional training in hate. This is Everquest. It's messy and dangerous, especially in a zone like Hate. With 2 guilds maneuvering to get to Maestro, there's bound to be over-agro and wiping. Doljo also wiped to "trains". Once again, I doubt it was intentional on either side.

Doljo saw a window where they could get to Maestro and was moving in for the kill. A-team got FTE (good work). They then ran Maestro straight to our raid, feigned, and agrod Maestro all over Doljo. Probably not intentional, but it's what happened. At that point what do we do? Just let it wipe us since A-team got FTE but trained it on us and isn't engaging? Or kill the mob that was agrod on us?

Sirken then rules in favor of a-team, which feels wrong to me. Sure they engaged, but lost the engage (and not from any Doljo actions). If the puller from A-team ran it to us and lost agro and dumped it on us, feels like they should lose FTE.

I guess we've figured out the newest best tactic for winning FTE races everyone! Just FTE and run the mob into another guild. You only need 1 person in the zone to win!

[arsenalpow]

any proof and or evidence?

sirken saw the train go down, which is why he made the ruling

[Fazlazen]

If the puller from A-team ran it to us and lost agro and dumped it on us, feels like they should lose FTE.



if that were the case, there would be a new FTE message. Go do your homework, son.

[Triangle]

[QUOTE=Nefarum;1315893]
... They then ran Maestro straight to our raid, feigned, and agrod Maestro all over Doljo. Probably not intentional, but it's what happened. At that point what do we do? Just let it wipe us since A-team got FTE but trained it on us and isn't engaging? Or kill the mob that was agrod on us?

/QUOTE]

Not the case and here is why:
(1) IF Raid Mob is agro'd THEN he shouts FTE of agroer
(2) IF agroer FDs or Dies, THEN Raid Mob resets FTE list UNLESS Raid Mob has another person on agro list
(3) THEREFORE, IF your story were correct THEN Maestro would have shouted a 2nd FTE message and you would have had the kill legitimately.

It is not even up for discussion, that is how the game mechanics work.

[Rellapse36]

Is Fazlazen in this guild?

[JayN]

Ateam stealing lord bob epics confirms sirken in there pockets

[Pullyn]

http://i.imgur.com/h44pUfh.jpg

couldn't help it.

I lawl'd.

[Euth]

Ateam stealing lord bob epics confirms sirken in there pockets

Lrn2 game mekanix

[Striiker]

I'm going to make a post on this as much as I avoid RnF..

I'm going to add here that Dildjo pulling stuff like this is completely within their standard MO (the only difference this time is that they actually killed something, albeit by KSing a great guild such as A-Team). There is no misunderstanding. There is complete malice aforethought in all of Dildjo's actions on the server and the server as a whole should show them what they think of them. Expect more such actions in the future by them unless they are raid suspended (as well they should be as per the policies of the server) as they continue to try to snipe R-class mobs from rotation (focusing on smaller guilds).

It's completely disgusting behavior. I liken this kind of behavior to that one bratty kid in the play ground who always is compelled to be a shit disturber, bullying others, trying to be more important than he really is.

I honestly don't understand why the server staff let this kind of behavior carry on. We have 8 guilds all working together to make this a better server and they allow one guild to shit it up.

[JayN]

wth do you guys expect from rmt'mac'ers

[Lazie]

There's so much hate against Doljo because they generally stay away from RnF... basically allowing just one side of the story to perpetuate even if it's not the whole story.

There was never any intentional training in hate. This is Everquest. It's messy and dangerous, especially in a zone like Hate. With 2 guilds maneuvering to get to Maestro, there's bound to be over-agro and wiping. Doljo also wiped to "trains". Once again, I doubt it was intentional on either side.

Doljo saw a window where they could get to Maestro and was moving in for the kill. A-team got FTE (good work). They then ran Maestro straight to our raid, feigned, and agrod Maestro all over Doljo. Probably not intentional, but it's what happened. At that point what do we do? Just let it wipe us since A-team got FTE but trained it on us and isn't engaging? Or kill the mob that was agrod on us?

Sirken then rules in favor of a-team, which feels wrong to me. Sure they engaged, but lost the engage (and not from any Doljo actions). If the puller from A-team ran it to us and lost agro and dumped it on us, feels like they should lose FTE.

I guess we've figured out the newest best tactic for winning FTE races everyone! Just FTE and run the mob into another guild. You only need 1 person in the zone to win!

I know you are new at raiding...but if a FD class feigns their FTE a new FTE shout goes out to the next person to engage the mob. Disproves your story right away.

[Ataxio]

http://media.fukung.net/imgs/3a215378f49bbcb6f354f0149eb19047.jpg

[Kazi]

Wouldn't it have been more fun if you could have just killed them for it instead of petitioning GMs and sitting on the sideline eating popcorn then coming here to complain? Serious question.

[Tecmos Deception]

So mad I was dead the whole time. Gonna livestream and go out of my way to stay alive when inny and fay are up next.

[Triangle]

Wouldn't it have been more fun if you could have just killed them for it instead of petitioning GMs and sitting on the sideline eating popcorn then coming here to complain? Serious question.

Serious answer is yes. Times like this I wish it were pvp.

[Euth]

Wouldn't it have been more fun if you could have just killed them for it instead of petitioning GMs and sitting on the sideline eating popcorn then coming here to complain? Serious question.

Honestly couldn't say, was too busy getting rezzed from the 12th train of the evening.

[hatelore]

[Mon Feb 10 18:00:59 2014] Ellies says, 'Hand of the MaestroEvensongShield of the Stalwart Seas'
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:09 2014] Ellies is a member of Doljonijiarnimorinar.
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:30 2014] Ellies bleeds all over Chest.
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:31 2014] Anthony says, 'not bad '
[Mon Feb 10 18:01:56 2014] You say, 'can't wait to see how the petition turns out, fraps are a fun thing'
[Mon Feb 10 18:02:42 2014] Ellies says, 'i just want to make it clear that we are not about targeting smaller guilds with the info from your alls spreadsheet'
[Mon Feb 10 18:02:45 2014] You say, 'well they're locked out of maestro for 2 more class R cycles now regardless'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:02 2014] You say, 'says the guild that just trained a-team for maestro'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:17 2014] Ellies says, 'and i had hyjal pretty much convinced it was best to join the rotation'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:20 2014] Deathdove says, 'i like how everyone crys '
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:22 2014] Tecmos says, 'We'll see what SIrken has to say /shrug'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:31 2014] Deathdove says, 'grats on our first kill '
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:32 2014] You say, 'i don't give a shit either way what you do'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:40 2014] Tecmos says, 'Grats?'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:41 2014] Hasare says, 'prolly your last'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:46 2014] Tecmos says, 'Better ask guild what Sirk just told you guys, Death'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:51 2014] Tecmos says, 'Maestro = A-Team'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:53 2014] Yendor says, 'grats on your first suspension for training, most likely'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:55 2014] You say, 'ruh roh'
[Mon Feb 10 18:03:58 2014] Ellies says, 'hatred breeds hatred, remember that'
[Mon Feb 10 18:04:27 2014] Hasare claps happily for Ellies - hurray!



Lol, this is so good, it has to be scripted~! But sad thing is, It is not. Just wow~

[hatelore]

http://i.imgur.com/h44pUfh.jpg

couldn't help it.

Hahha, I really love this gm~

[Splorf22]

There was never any intentional training in hate. This is Everquest. It's messy and dangerous, especially in a zone like Hate. With 2 guilds maneuvering to get to Maestro, there's bound to be over-agro and wiping. Doljo also wiped to "trains". Once again, I doubt it was intentional on either side.

We did not train you. The whole time we were sitting at the fountain rezzing/medding and your monks flopped multiple trains on us. Then you started clearing and you were aggroing the 2nd floor and that hit us a few times too.

Doljo saw a window where they could get to Maestro and was moving in for the kill. A-team got FTE (good work). They then ran Maestro straight to our raid, feigned, and agrod Maestro all over Doljo. Probably not intentional, but it's what happened. At that point what do we do? Just let it wipe us since A-team got FTE but trained it on us and isn't engaging? Or kill the mob that was agrod on us?

You don't understand how FTE messages work obviously. This WOULD have been true (Clang didn't quite understand what I wanted him to do) but Jetli tried to take the pull while I had it aggroed. It was a straight up FTE snipe by you guys.

[khanable]

All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.

As per the server rules.

What's the punishment?

[Nefarum]

Not the case and here is why:
(1) IF Raid Mob is agro'd THEN he shouts FTE of agroer
(2) IF agroer FDs or Dies, THEN Raid Mob resets FTE list UNLESS Raid Mob has another person on agro list
(3) THEREFORE, IF your story were correct THEN Maestro would have shouted a 2nd FTE message and you would have had the kill legitimately.

It is not even up for discussion, that is how the game mechanics work.

So since Raev ran Maestro right into us and flopped, our whole guild was still on his agro list are we not? What options does Doljo have at that point, just let themselves wipe?

[Euth]

He wasn't close when he flopped... As has been stated here multiple times, your monk got agro because he tagged while after Raev FTE and BEFORE he FDed, this getting you agro. Why so hard to understand?

[CodyF86]

Also Clang was on the aggro list from right after the FTE message from disease cloud, so clang was riding that aggro list all the way till the end.

We could have just ran over and raped him, but wasn't trying to make the clusterfak more convoluted.

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[khanable]

They did give everyone fair warning

http://i.imgur.com/dhbTMvU.png

[Nefarum]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

[Sinestria]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

If everything went as described there was intentional training and kill stealing. You're a shitty lawyer.

[YendorLootmonkey]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

The FTE shout mechanic was put in so there would never EVER be confusion on who got FTE on the mob again. How could it not be more clear?

[Fazlazen]

We did not train you. The whole time we were sitting at the fountain rezzing/medding and your monks flopped multiple trains on us. Then you started clearing and you were aggroing the 2nd floor and that hit us a few times too.



You don't understand how FTE messages work obviously. This WOULD have been true (Clang didn't quite understand what I wanted him to do) but Jetli tried to take the pull while I had it aggroed. It was a straight up FTE snipe by you guys.

Rezzing/medding at the fountain is asking for trains, bro.

[Splorf22]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

1. You trained us, meanwhile we did not train you (because we were too busy CRing); we were basically just sitting there.

2. We had a clean pull of Maestro and your monk tried to FTE snipe, a clear and intentional rules violation.

[svenghali]

Rezzing/medding at the fountain is asking for trains, bro.

Definitely this.

[Splorf22]

Rezzing/medding at the fountain is asking for trains, bro.

I am realizing that! Feel free to clue me in.

[Euth]

Rezzing/medding at the fountain is asking for trains, bro.

LOL, you guys leapfrogged past us and trained everything from ent to fountain over top of us while we were rezzing. We were asking for it?

[Nefarum]

If everything went as described there was intentional training and kill stealing. You're a shitty lawyer.

Except the part where you unfairly inject the word "intentional".

[CodyF86]

lol the fountain is just about the safest place in a fully popped hate, unless people are running merbs over you (as well as naked toons running merbs over you), much safer than the ent, which will aggro the second floor as soon as you go left out the door.

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Euth]

Except the part where you unfairly inject the word "intentional".

Ya, generally when you run 20 mobs over top of people, there are good things that come of it.... Also, when you read yellow text on your screen that says another guild FTE on a mob, then you agro it while said guild has it inc. is also, no doubt, "unintentional".

[Ella`Ella]

Pro-tip - if you have FTE and another guild tries to kill it, let them. The FTE will count as your kill thus, your loot.

Trust me on this one...

[CodyF86]

Pro-tip - if you have FTE and another guild tries to kill it, let them. The FTE will count as your kill thus, your loot.

Trust me on this one...

That's what we did. :)

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Argh]

There's so much hate against Doljo because they generally stay away from RnF... basically allowing just one side of the story to perpetuate even if it's not the whole story.

There was never any intentional training in hate. This is Everquest. It's messy and dangerous, especially in a zone like Hate. With 2 guilds maneuvering to get to Maestro, there's bound to be over-agro and wiping. Doljo also wiped to "trains". Once again, I doubt it was intentional on either side.

Doljo saw a window where they could get to Maestro and was moving in for the kill. A-team got FTE (good work). They then ran Maestro straight to our raid, feigned, and agrod Maestro all over Doljo. Probably not intentional, but it's what happened. At that point what do we do? Just let it wipe us since A-team got FTE but trained it on us and isn't engaging? Or kill the mob that was agrod on us?

Sirken then rules in favor of a-team, which feels wrong to me. Sure they engaged, but lost the engage (and not from any Doljo actions). If the puller from A-team ran it to us and lost agro and dumped it on us, feels like they should lose FTE.

I guess we've figured out the newest best tactic for winning FTE races everyone! Just FTE and run the mob into another guild. You only need 1 person in the zone to win!

http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1369768904173526_animate.gif

[Euth]

lol @ argh

[Lojik]

They did give everyone fair warning

http://i.imgur.com/dhbTMvU.png

But they didn't FTE lol

[khanable]

But they didn't FTE lol

I think that is where the 'without logic' comes in

[Sinestria]

I don't even think that it can be debated anymore that "well, there are some good people in Bob". You guys are scum, and anybody that chooses to still carry the tag is scum. Simple as that

[Lazie]

So since Raev ran Maestro right into us and flopped, our whole guild was still on his agro list are we not? What options does Doljo have at that point, just let themselves wipe?

Again you aren't very smart. Raev had FTE...Had he feigned Maestro on you he would have LOST FTE. The next person to aggro the mob would then get an FTE shout and you could kill it and loot it no problem. However the fact that only one FTE shout went out and Sirken came into the fold and told you Raev was First to engage disproves your whole story about how Maestro was flopped on you.

[Nefarum]

We already figured this out Lazie a few posts back, there were more people on the agro list, hence no new message, as well as confusion about that fact in the heat of the moment.

This forum is so fucking toxic, with everyone shitting on each other each chance they get rather than just trying to figure out what happened. I'm out.

[Euth]

Fairly sure everyone knows what happened.

[Sinestria]

We already figured this out Lazie a few posts back, there were more people on the agro list, hence no new message, as well as confusion about that fact in the heat of the moment.

This forum is so fucking toxic, with everyone shitting on each other each chance they get rather than just trying to figure out what happened. I'm out.

Asshole trying to lawyer for asshole guild. Good riddance, enjoy your suspension!

[khanable]

We already figured this out Lazie a few posts back, there were more people on the agro list, hence no new message, as well as confusion about that fact in the heat of the moment.

This forum is so fucking toxic, with everyone shitting on each other each chance they get rather than just trying to figure out what happened. I'm out.

Your monk pulled aggro 4 seconds after FTE shout

You guys then killed it

This is what we call a "kill steal"

This is against the rules

[Lojik]

We already figured this out Lazie a few posts back, there were more people on the agro list, hence no new message, as well as confusion about that fact in the heat of the moment.

This forum is so fucking toxic, with everyone shitting on each other each chance they get rather than just trying to figure out what happened. I'm out.

This RNF venture turned out just like all your guild's engages...FAILURES

[shimonuh]

4668

[citizen1080]

So at worst, if everything went as you say, it was:

- a close race
- a messy situation with some confusion over the agro list

Certainly no malice, no underhanded tactics, no intentional trains.

Bullshit




Everyone should join me in Blacklisting these douche bags.


In my 2000+ posts I have talked negatively about maybe 2-3 people over 4 years on this server. In 4 years I have maybe 3 people on my ignore. I do not shit on people without much forethought but I cant think of anyone more deserving than Dildjon. And I felt this way BEFORE you shit on A-Team.

[Lazie]

We already figured this out Lazie a few posts back, there were more people on the agro list, hence no new message, as well as confusion about that fact in the heat of the moment.

This forum is so fucking toxic, with everyone shitting on each other each chance they get rather than just trying to figure out what happened. I'm out.

Obviously you have no idea what that means. It means the mob wasn't flopped on you (Which you continuously keep saying). It means it went after the next person on it's aggro list who tried to grab the mob after the FTE shout went out. It means you have a puller or pullers who got on the aggro list AFTER Raev got FTE (Which is indicated by the FTE shout if a new one doesn't go out that means your puller had aggro on a mob another guild had FTE on). Hence it disproves the whole story that you had anything flopped on you.

In short tell your pullers stop aggroing mobs that have already sent out an FTE shout. That is why the mob came to your raid without a new shout.

[Sidelle]

You all better watch your backs.. :D

[Mon Feb 10 18:03:58 2014] Ellies says, 'hatred breeds hatred, remember that'

http://s.mlkshk.com/r/K92

[khanable]

In short tell your pullers stop aggroing mobs that have already sent out an FTE shout. That is why the mob came to your raid without a new shout.

Impossible, Dojo is a guild founded on skillz

[Mon Feb 10 02:00:28 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'keep pounding track so u can zerk a 1 grp mob'
[Mon Feb 10 02:00:41 2014] You told Pryvit, 'a one group mob you have yet to kill'
[Mon Feb 10 02:00:53 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'if we want it down itll go down'
[Mon Feb 10 02:01:09 2014] You told Pryvit, 'you can't even clear hate without wiping'
[Mon Feb 10 02:01:18 2014] You told Pryvit, 'and you're going to pull maestro before someone else?'
[Mon Feb 10 02:01:23 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'and yo ucan clear a mob without 60 toons'
[Mon Feb 10 02:01:34 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'go play wow plz'
[Mon Feb 10 02:01:48 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'or better yet'
[Mon Feb 10 02:01:54 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'cry to gms that u cant beat tmo'
[Mon Feb 10 02:02:01 2014] Pryvit tells you, 'and get free pixels with no skillz'

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Jettli was the procrastinator the other day when a group of them sniped the Shissar a PUG raid was going for. While I was helping them break after Divinity helped with a CR, they used the opportunity to train in with no regard for the cr and break. I guess he was trying to be funny because when I told him there was a PUG raid going for the shissar his response was "the shadow never rests".

What they are doing is deliberate, don't be mistaken and there is no remorse.

[CodyF86]

Smoking gun?

http://i57.tinypic.com/i4nxax.jpg

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[justin2090]

What I would like to know is .. why would doljon snipe smaller guilds targets if they're prepping for class C? I understand if you want to move out of class R but at least "practice" (grief) on a larger guild. If you can't get win against bda or taken then you have no shot against the hardcores imo.

It just seems like the aspirations to move up are completely false and all you want to do is grief. It seems like you want to stay in class R and attempt snipes on smaller guilds for eternity. I guess that's one way of getting loot.

[slappytwotoes]

So happy Lord Bob exists. You can't script this shit!

[Ahldagor]

and this doesn't really work here

[Babayaaga]

Ok so let me recap the week's events... if just to get my own comprehension straight.

1) Lord Bob asks to join the rotation.

2) Lord Bob sees that they are at the bottom of the rotation list (naturally), and have to wait their turn to become part of said rotation.

3) Lord Bob says "Fuck This", and goes back to old tricks (trying to compete for rotation mobs).

4) Key leadership figure in Lord Bob discovered to be veteran player with shady past on P99.

5) Lord Bob steals a Sky Slot, and then goes on to Leapfrog/Train/KS a FTE on Maestro.

Did I miss any details here, or does this pretty much cover it?

[kenzar]

Ok so let me recap the week's events... if just to get my own comprehension straight.

1) Lord Bob asks to join the rotation.

2) Lord Bob sees that they are at the bottom of the rotation list (naturally), and have to wait their turn to become part of said rotation.

3) Lord Bob says "Fuck This", and goes back to old tricks (trying to compete for rotation mobs).

4) Key leadership figure in Lord Bob discovered to be veteran player with shady past on P99.

5) Lord Bob steals a Sky Slot, and then goes on to Leapfrog/Train/KS a FTE on Maestro.

Did I miss any details here, or does this pretty much cover it?

You forgot 1 Lord Bob member banned for 2-boxxing while running MQ2 late Saturday night in SolB at Efreeti camp. And another Lord Bob member being banned for scamming people in EC tunnel while "selling" black sapphires/diamonds/jacinths. But other than that, yeah.

[Derubael]

Protip: If another guild has FTE on a raid target, and you happened to hit it after they got FTE, camp/CT gate pot/gate/zone out. We call the addition of another person on the mobs aggro list a 'secondary'. If you're the secondary and not in the guild who got FTE, you are essentially screwing yourself because you will at the very least extend the encounter or possibly end up kill stealing another guilds mob.

If you're going to competitively raid, situational awareness and a firm grasp of FTE mechanics are highly recommended. I suggest taking Professors Sloan and Unbrella's course, Competitive Raiding 101: Sirken table flips, Derubael phone slams, and how to avoid them

May I also recommend Dr. Alarti's class, Advanced Competitive Raiding FTE Snipe 102: Make other guilds get suspended and kill your targets

[Bones]

What I would like to know is .. why would doljon snipe smaller guilds targets if they're prepping for class C? I understand if you want to move out of class R but at least "practice" (grief) on a larger guild. If you can't get win against bda or taken then you have no shot against the hardcores imo.

It just seems like the aspirations to move up are completely false and all you want to do is grief. It seems like you want to stay in class R and attempt snipes on smaller guilds for eternity. I guess that's one way of getting loot.
hey pal I think we had like an 18 man zerg today

respect where its due and all that etc etc

[Splorf22]

A-Team definitely not a small guild any more. We zerg it up like everyone else now.

[slappytwotoes]

Ok so let me recap the week's events... if just to get my own comprehension straight.

1) Lord Bob asks to join the rotation.

2) Lord Bob sees that they are at the bottom of the rotation list (naturally), and have to wait their turn to become part of said rotation.

3) Lord Bob says "Fuck This", and goes back to old tricks (trying to compete for rotation mobs).

4) Key leadership figure in Lord Bob discovered to be veteran player with shady past on P99.

5) Lord Bob steals a Sky Slot, and then goes on to Leapfrog/Train/KS a FTE on Maestro.

Did I miss any details here, or does this pretty much cover it?

You missed where they leapfrogged/trained and stole a Shissar from a PUG raid in Fear

[Aeaolena]

Members of Doljonijiarnimorinar - please stop letting your leaders pull the wool over your eyes.

Any of you who are trying to grasp at whatever dignity and class you think your guild still has - I would ask that you do your homework.

First take look at the Play Nice Policy rules to get an idea of what is deemed acceptable non-douchebag behavior on P1999. Then read the Raid Discussion forums. Read through the RnF garbage even. Look with unfiltered glasses at the logs people post, and records of their first encounters with your guild. Look closely at your guilds actions. Douchebaggery on that childish level is just no longer tolerated here. Open your eyes.

Then join another guild.

Because your leadership is a bunch of conniving, abominable, middle-school-aged scum.

Seriously.

Get out.

While other guilds may still take "someone who used to have that tag".

[Ravager]

Bullshit




Everyone should join me in Blacklisting these douche bags.


In my 2000+ posts I have talked negatively about maybe 2-3 people over 4 years on this server. In 4 years I have maybe 3 people on my ignore. I do not shit on people without much forethought but I cant think of anyone more deserving than Dildjon. And I felt this way BEFORE you shit on A-Team.

You know you're an asshole when you piss off the REAL Lord Bob.

[contemptor]

We already figured this out Lazie a few posts back, there were more people on the agro list, hence no new message, as well as confusion about that fact in the heat of the moment.

This forum is so fucking toxic, with everyone shitting on each other each chance they get rather than just trying to figure out what happened. I'm out.
No crap it's toxic, being the only 'raiding' guild to attempt to break rotations, then fail miserably (not for the first time), while training others... what do you expect?

[arsenalpow]

Toxic forum? You're shitting all over the server and the forum is the problem??

[citizen1080]

You know you're an asshole when you piss off the REAL Lord Bob.

sig worthy <3

[caleros]

We 100% believe in the GM's and the rulings, there was some confusion in the guild about FTE rules on our part but we're still learning.

We've competed against IB and FE in sky and raced against BDA, AG at Fayd, Taken and A-team in pohate, not sure where the "dolj is targetting only little guilds is coming from" but /shrug

Fear, really doesn't matter what i say about this, I've seen rotation Class-R guilds race/snipe for Verina/Drozlin, yet shissir it's a sin to race against a pug of 12 who were sitting at zonein not even close to the mob. We 100% did not train anyone and its impossible to prove since that did not happen

[chief]

Rezzing/medding at the fountain is asking for trains, bro.

This

[Sinestria]

We 100% believe in the GM's and the rulings, there was some confusion in the guild about FTE rules on our part but we're still learning.

We've competed against IB and FE in sky and raced against BDA, AG at Fayd, Taken and A-team in pohate, not sure where the "dolj is targetting only little guilds is coming from" but /shrug

Fear, really doesn't matter what i say about this, I've seen rotation Class-R guilds race/snipe for Verina/Drozlin, yet shissir it's a sin to race against a pug of 12 who were sitting at zonein not even close to the mob. We 100% did not train anyone and its impossible to prove since that did not happen

You idiots should just stick to your normal tactic of forum avoidance. Seeing you try to deny, justify, and lawyer is just fucking pathetic.

[jaybone]

wth do you guys expect from rmt'mac'ers

[Heebo]

Ur

[Zadrian]

Some guilds have pulled some shady shit in terms of strategy to get mob kills since the release of P99.

However, you know it's bad if a guild tries to pull those same shitty strategies and fail constantly.

Vet advice: Don't be the Farkus of P99.

[jaybone]

Some guilds have pulled some shady shit in terms of strategy to get mob kills since the release of P99.

However, you know it's bad if a guild tries to pull those same shitty strategies and fail constantly.

Vet advice: Don't be the Farkus of P99.

Should say don't join piece of shit RMT guilds like A - team.

[arsenalpow]

We 100% believe in the GM's and the rulings, there was some confusion in the guild about FTE rules on our part but we're still learning.

We've competed against IB and FE in sky and raced against BDA, AG at Fayd, Taken and A-team in pohate, not sure where the "dolj is targetting only little guilds is coming from" but /shrug

Fear, really doesn't matter what i say about this, I've seen rotation Class-R guilds race/snipe for Verina/Drozlin, yet shissir it's a sin to race against a pug of 12 who were sitting at zonein not even close to the mob. We 100% did not train anyone and its impossible to prove since that did not happen

Us zoning into TD, tagging Fay, pulling Fay to ogre island, and killing Fay while you were in zone with like an hour headstart wasn't really "competing" ...

[kenzar]

Lord Bob literally kicked my dog.

[JackFlash]

You sure that wasn't Chest?

[hatelore]

You know you're an asshole when you piss off the REAL Lord Bob.

Lol so true. Bob has to be one of the nicest guys on this server, when he isn't a statue in EC =P Didn't even know he was capable of complaint tbh.

[arsenalpow]

It was probably me. Motherfuckers I don't even know like to call me out these days. Some dude named Tsnang(?) was cursing out a guildy in seb then started name dropping me too, don't even know these people man.

[hatelore]

u r d debil~ Facts.com even says so!

[Uteunayr]

Lol so true. Bob has to be one of the nicest guys on this server, when he isn't a statue in EC =P Didn't even know he was capable of complaint tbh.

He was willing to Regrowth me in City of Mist while I was leveling up Uteu. That's all it takes for me to like a person.

Regrowth. It's Necromancer crack.

[Rellapse36]

http://i.imgur.com/wsV2Bye.jpg

[hatelore]

Think , out of all peeps, rellapse just claimed fte on this /thread . lawl

[caleros]

Us zoning into TD, tagging Fay, pulling Fay to ogre island, and killing Fay while you were in zone with like an hour headstart wasn't really "competing" ...

just making sure if we do that to another guild it's considered ok and not leapfrogging?

Rellapse nailed it, that's art right there A+

[JackFlash]

http://i.imgur.com/wsV2Bye.jpg

/thread

[hatelore]

If you do that on a FFA mob then yes, props to you for your well earned kill. That is exactly what FFA means.

Now if its a class R mob and you are not up on the list for the kill, yes, that would be pretty "douche like".

[Nefarum]

If you do that on a FFA mob then yes, props to you for your well earned kill. That is exactly what FFA means.

Now if its a class R mob and you are not up on the list for the kill, yes, that would be pretty "douche like".

All mobs within the R tier are "FFA" for non-C guilds. That's how the rules of the server have been set up. The GMs have never said they'd enforce anything else or intend for it to be any other way.

Just because we don't want to play in a way that you'd prefer, in a way that you have no right/ability to mandate, doesn't make it "douche-like". It just makes all you other R guilds whiny fucking pussies.

[Juevento]

just making sure if we do that to another guild it's considered ok and not leapfrogging?

Rellapse nailed it, that's art right there A+

You cannot be this dense.

[Pullyn]

Just because we don't want to play in a way that you'd prefer, in a way that you have no right/ability to mandate, doesn't make it "douche-like". It just makes all you other R guilds whiny fucking pussies.

I still don't understand why you guys are so hellbent on playing a certain play style when you are only making yourselves look bad as well as giving up mobs that you'd probably otherwise have eventually. Instead you just keep on the LOL FTE path when in reality you guys are terribad and every raid mob you've attempted has been a well documented train wreck.

[Nefarum]

I still don't understand why you guys are so hellbent on playing a certain play style when you are only making yourselves look bad as well as giving up mobs that you'd probably otherwise have eventually. Instead you just keep on the LOL FTE path when in reality you guys are terribad and every raid mob you've attempted has been a well documented train wreck.

Honestly in the beginning I wouldn't have cared too much either way to be on the rotation or not, both have their upsides. Being on rotation leads to easier kills, while racing/FTE adds an intense rush the engagements that can be fun.

What swayed me is the vitriole/hypocracy/entitlement that came from all the other R guilds. Acting like they can dictate how everyone in R should play, shitting on anyone that doesn't listen to them, and actually fucking believing in their holier-than-thou attitude. It made me want to puke.

So now I'm all aboard the FTE train, cause fuck your rotation and your attitudes. We're learning, and we'll improve. I'd rather lose competing for mobs than be part of your hypocritical bullshit.

[Bazia]

so they missed fte by 4 secs

I don't get it

[Bazia]

and good for them do not bow to your instance loving carebear brethren

[Kazi]

Well if you want less spreadsheets and GM involvement on 15 year old raid mobs, consider red.

[Rellapse36]

red is dead

[Kazi]

Maybe if you spent more time trying to get people to play rather than being so negative, things would change. But that's the last time I'll feed you on these boards.

[Rellapse36]

Would rather try and get people to stick a 2 foot cock in their doo doo hole... then play on that shit box

[JayN]

http://i.imgur.com/wsV2Bye.jpg

ogre tank w/lightsabers rawr!

whos that afro rogue in the back?

thats a pretty sweet pic son

[Rellapse36]

found that pic on BDA's guild site...seemed to fit this thread

[contemptor]

Honestly in the beginning I wouldn't have cared too much either way to be on the rotation or not, both have their upsides. Being on rotation leads to easier kills, while racing/FTE adds an intense rush the engagements that can be fun.

What swayed me is the vitriole/hypocracy/entitlement that came from all the other R guilds. Acting like they can dictate how everyone in R should play, shitting on anyone that doesn't listen to them, and actually fucking believing in their holier-than-thou attitude. It made me want to puke.

So now I'm all aboard the FTE train, cause fuck your rotation and your attitudes. We're learning, and we'll improve. I'd rather lose competing for mobs than be part of your hypocritical bullshit.
Let me summarize for you.

--Dolj gets created, nobody knows who they are, but spam recruit to be planes ready within two weeks.

--Dolj enters Fear while BDA clearing, starts killing mobs, doesn't seem to care that BDA is in it.

--All raid-capable guilds on server agree on a sky rotation. Meanwhile, Dolj who has done nothing but jump up into pre-broken fears....

Dolj: "Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique. "

Everyone else on server: "Seriously? Everyone on the server rotates sky, but you and your three week reign feel you supersede everyone else?"

--Dolj continues to try and mess up sky for the lower tier guilds. People are not happy. Meanwhile, a significant portion of their members are twats, being that they are all spam invited or friends of the extremely low class/skill officer crew

--Regardless, Dolj is invited to join new class R rotation. Dolj declines, since they want to compete.

--Dolj tries to mess up the very first class R rotation, agreed to by every raid ready guild that is applicable for the rotation. They fail, and get made fun of. However, they don't realize why people would be upset at messing up a rotation agreed to by every raid ready guild on the server, nor do they see the humor everyone else sees at their fail attempt.

--Dolj continues to act this way, continues to fail miserably, and is unable to kill a single mob after 2 months of their trolling and 'competing'

--Even though Dolj is hated by most the server at this point....

Dolj officer: "Doljonijiarnimorinar is interested in hearing out the rotation plans, and potentially joining rotations for both Tier R, and Plane of Sky. We are hoping to speak with whoever runs these rotations to see if an agreement can be reached. We understand that we may have caused complications in the past, but we hope to resolve any further incidents. It is our hope that being included in the rotation(s) will soothe any misgivings about our guild as we would like to conduct ourselves in a manner that fits our community.

We realize that Project1999 is a community and we would like to be part of that "community rather than a thorn in its side.

--Still, they are met with mostly respect (even though they are not liked), and are granted slots in the rotation, per the rotation agreement they were mad aware of in advance.

--Dolj thinks they deserve more than last slot in the rotation (per the agreement), and tries to suggest alternate rules to benefit them. Since this is not granted...

Dolj officer: "Until this issue is resolved Dojo is back to being an FTE guild. "

--Dolj trains A-Team in Hate, steals their FTE, and finally kills their first raid mob (disregard that it is a one groupable mob). This doesn't count obviously, and was awarded properly to A-Team.

--Dolj is confused as to why people don't want to play with them.

TLDR: Dolj is a Chihuahua

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/the-anatomy-of-a-chihuahua.jpg

[Rellapse36]

sounds like a young tmo

[citizen1080]

Let me summarize for you.

--Dolj gets created, nobody knows who they are, but spam recruit to be planes ready within two weeks.

--Dolj enters Fear while BDA clearing, starts killing mobs, doesn't seem to care that BDA is in it.

--All raid-capable guilds on server agree on a sky rotation. Meanwhile, Dolj who has done nothing but jump up into pre-broken fears....

Dolj: "Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique. "

Everyone else on server: "Seriously? Everyone on the server rotates sky, but you and your three week reign feel you supersede everyone else?"

--Dolj continues to try and mess up sky for the lower tier guilds. People are not happy. Meanwhile, a significant portion of their members are twats, being that they are all spam invited or friends of the extremely low class/skill officer crew

--Regardless, Dolj is invited to join new class R rotation. Dolj declines, since they want to compete.

--Dolj tries to mess up the very first class R rotation, agreed to by every raid ready guild that is applicable for the rotation. They fail, and get made fun of. However, they don't realize why people would be upset at messing up a rotation agreed to by every raid ready guild on the server, nor do they see the humor everyone else sees at their fail attempt.

--Dolj continues to act this way, continues to fail miserably, and is unable to kill a single mob after 2 months of their trolling and 'competing'

--Even though Dolj is hated by most the server at this point....

Dolj officer: "Doljonijiarnimorinar is interested in hearing out the rotation plans, and potentially joining rotations for both Tier R, and Plane of Sky. We are hoping to speak with whoever runs these rotations to see if an agreement can be reached. We understand that we may have caused complications in the past, but we hope to resolve any further incidents. It is our hope that being included in the rotation(s) will soothe any misgivings about our guild as we would like to conduct ourselves in a manner that fits our community.

We realize that Project1999 is a community and we would like to be part of that "community rather than a thorn in its side.

--Still, they are met with mostly respect (even though they are not liked), and are granted slots in the rotation, per the rotation agreement they were mad aware of in advance.

--Dolj thinks they deserve more than last slot in the rotation (per the agreement), and tries to suggest alternate rules to benefit them. Since this is not granted...

Dolj officer: "Until this issue is resolved Dojo is back to being an FTE guild. "

--Dolj trains A-Team in Hate, steals their FTE, and finally kills their first raid mob (disregard that it is a one groupable mob). This doesn't count obviously, and was awarded properly to A-Team.

--Dolj is confused as to why people don't want to play with them.

TLDR: Dolj is a Chihuahua

http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/the-anatomy-of-a-chihuahua.jpg

qft

[Took]

Thank god I don't play on blue anymore this thread is depressing.

[cs616]

Pro-tip - if you have FTE and another guild tries to kill it, let them. The FTE will count as your kill thus, your loot.

Trust me on this one...

Except when they decide it doesn't count for some reason, like when Sorchin got FTE on CT but it didn't count because not enough FE engaged. Or when Helicopter got FTE on VS but it didn't count because duct tape. Or the numerous other examples of random interpretations of the raiding rules.

[chief]

that pixel lust

[Ahldagor]

what did the gms rule?

[Nefarum]

Let me summarize for you.

Blah blah blah...


Nice use of ad hominem, but your perceptions of Doljo members' actions in the past has nothing to do with the main issue that I brought up: the attitude of guilds within the rotation towards everyone else that doesn't want to follow their orders. Which as I've said, is bullshit.

[Euth]

Nice use of ad hominem, but your perceptions of Doljo members' actions in the past has nothing to do with the main issue that I brought up: the attitude of guilds within the rotation towards everyone else that doesn't want to follow their orders. Which as I've said, is bullshit.

who is this everyone else you speak of?

[kenzar]

Nice use of ad hominem, but your perceptions of Doljo members' actions in the past has nothing to do with the main issue that I brought up: the attitude of guilds within the rotation towards everyone else that doesn't want to follow their orders. Which as I've said, is bullshit.

baww

[Nefarum]

who is this everyone else you speak of?

Anyone that wants to kill an R-tier raid mob but doesn't want to join the rotation.

[Euth]

you mean who did want to join the rotation and threw a bullshit fit when they didn't get their way? like just you guys?

[Ahldagor]

Nice use of ad hominem, but your perceptions of Doljo members' actions in the past has nothing to do with the main issue that I brought up: the attitude of guilds within the rotation towards everyone else that doesn't want to follow their orders. Which as I've said, is bullshit.

http://i1.wp.com/raddestmom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Screen-Shot-2013-10-27-at-8.13.45-PM.png

[kenzar]

Anyone that wants to kill an R-tier raid mob but doesn't want to join the rotation.

baww

[Daldolma]

rated thread 1 star because nefarum is fat

[Senix]

http://i.imgur.com/yiJwJOk.gif

[Clark]

I remember when Acarer (Hyjal) got suspended while leading Dozekar for training IB because they stole a gorgon in Fear. Granted IB was shady as fuck back then and pretty much got away with murder repeatedly, but still it was a pretty dumb move.

lol

[Clark]

That is awesome Senix. Liked the end too :D

[Ciroco]

For the record, not all of us think they're d-bags for racing class R mobs.

I just think they're d-bags for messing up another guild's sky, pretending they didn't know there was a sky rotation, and then messing up a different guild's sky and trying to justify it by lying about being denied a spot in the rotation. Among other things.

[Itap]

Lol, A-team flopped Maestro on you, you guys can't be that dumb

[Mac Dretti]

Lol rotation over maestro

Blue server is AMAAAZZZINGGGG

[Nirgon]

This what we get when the casual guilds get to raid? More rage than when they weren't getting pixels?

Everything ruins everything for everyone! Always!

[Portsche]

http://i.imgur.com/yiJwJOk.gif

I giggled.

[Reguiy]

Guys I really thought we were beyond this sort of despicable behavior. We as a community have really failed each other. I am of course referring to the low quantity of gifs in this thread. For shame.
http://replygif.net/i/913.gif

[Prismaticshop]

Jeremy white knight against Dbags and cheating

Yet officer in TMO lawl

[Detoxx]

Jeremy white knight against Dbags and cheating

Yet officer in TMO lawl

Who are you? lawl

[JayN]

Who are you? lawl

hes some hating as nub egg, infatuated with big germ dawg

[Merekai]

Early on when Lord Bob first formed I met a pretty cool bard I liked quite a lot so I knew not everyone in this guild was an asshat. Fast forward to now, I wasn't even raiding at the time and it takes a class act like pryvit 3 minutes to make my ignore list. If you're gonna make statements like "umadbro you must be butthurt too much anal fag" I'm going to assume you have no ability to engage in any form of discourse and rightly ignore your ass.

I at least have respect for most of the guilds on this server, due to countless positive interactions I've had with their members across many areas of the game. Absent this one bard which I haven't seen in a while, every time I interact with a member from lord asshat, toxicity follows in their wake. I have no respect for this guild. Fuck lord bob and everyone in it.

[Wudan]

Will not group/buff/interact or help Dildo guild members anymore. Fuck em all.

[falkun]

There's a whole 2/3 of mobs DEDICATED to FTE mechanics, all those labeled "Class C" (competitive) and "FFA" (everyone can compete). Is Dildjo only targeting "Class R" mobs? The server staff never did set up a full rotation, but those were designed to be less competitive and to spread the kills around (hence the 2-kill lockout). So the guilds that are Class R took the next logical step and ensured the kills get spread around. By ONLY attempting to FTE, you are going against the spirit of the Class R mobs. If you'd like to compete, and have FTE reign supreme, go after C and FFA mobs, which the rules set up expressly for FTE.

[Gnomersy]

All mobs within the R tier are "FFA" for non-C guilds. That's how the rules of the server have been set up. The GMs have never said they'd enforce anything else or intend for it to be any other way.

Just because we don't want to play in a way that you'd prefer, in a way that you have no right/ability to mandate, doesn't make it "douche-like". It just makes all you other R guilds whiny fucking pussies.

Simply untrue. We have lockouts for killing mobs in class R. Let's say you guys actually pull off a kill of some sort. Will you adhere to the lockouts?? Judging by your previous actions regarding rules and player-made agreements I doubt it.

[Bones]

For the record, not all of us think they're d-bags for racing class R mobs.
+1.
I just thought it was funny they killed maestro for us with no FTE; was very nice of them.

my gif contribution
http://25.media.tumblr.com/5c1037b84ece96a2a59703e0f52f6b99/tumblr_mjl44b8tuF1riu06po1_400.gif

[arsenalpow]

Well they have to adhere to the lockouts should they kill a class R mob. It's not player enforced, it's server law.

[Aaron]

Doljon is now finally officially a Class R guild. Wonder if they're celebrating.

[Liia]

Sorry, had to be posted. I tried to make it a reasonable post. Server needs to know this type of shit.

Hahah Svenn the rager. <3

[mattkwi]

C class wants no part of the toxic R class raid scene.

[Heebo]

C class wants no part of the toxic R class raid scene.

[Juevento]

C class wants no part of the toxic R class raid scene.

I don't blame you! It's ruthless over here. I wish we could have a nice friendly rotation like y'all set up for VP.

[Thana8088]

I don't blame you! It's ruthless over here. I wish we could have a nice friendly rotation like y'all set up for VP.

VP rotation is the best thing ever! Sometimes we don't even kill anything; we just sit around and drink ale while watching the lava burn.

[mattkwi]

I don't blame you! It's ruthless over here. I wish we could have a nice friendly rotation like y'all set up for VP.

no such thing. keep your R rhetoric in your own class.

[Nirgon]

There's a whole 2/3 of mobs DEDICATED to FTE mechanics, all those labeled "Class C" (competitive) and "FFA" (everyone can compete). Is Dildjo only targeting "Class R" mobs? The server staff never did set up a full rotation, but those were designed to be less competitive and to spread the kills around (hence the 2-kill lockout). So the guilds that are Class R took the next logical step and ensured the kills get spread around. By ONLY attempting to FTE, you are going against the spirit of the Class R mobs. If you'd like to compete, and have FTE reign supreme, go after C and FFA mobs, which the rules set up expressly for FTE.

WTF IS THAT. Class C, R, FTE, but only if and only if this and class C and..

http://joshfurnish.com/css/images/disgusted-meme-i3.jpg

GO LORD BOB.

[falkun]

The tiers exist to differentiate play-styles, not levels of gear or access to content (besides VP). If Dildjo wants to play competitively, theirs 2/3s of the mobs for that.

[Heebo]

The tiers exist to differentiate play-styles, not levels of gear or access to content (besides VP). If Dildjo wants to play competitively, theirs 2/3s of the mobs for that.

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

[mattkwi]

Raid PnP implemented and all the petitions and whine posts are from R guilds. Dolji won't play by our rules. FFA needs more rules now. Stop imposing your play style on us!

DON'T TREAD ON C.

[Mezzmur]

The tiers exist to differentiate play-styles, not levels of gear or access to content (besides VP). If Dildjo wants to play competitively, theirs 2/3s of the mobs for that.

Tier R exists to have lockouts and not help. The rotation was artificially implemented by a portion of the guilds in Tier R. If you don't like it, go play EZ Server?

[Nirgon]

The tiers exist to differentiate play-styles, not levels of gear or access to content (besides VP). If Dildjo wants to play competitively, theirs 2/3s of the mobs for that.

Hey what about playing nice and respecting each other. Calling them Dildjo ain't very nice. You some kind of TMO scum or something pal?

[Tiggles]

sounds like a young tmo


Memories...

[citizen1080]

Hey what about playing nice and respecting each other. Calling them Dildjo ain't very nice. You some kind of TMO scum or something pal?

I'm not your pal, guy.

[Whiteberry]

http://i.imgur.com/wsV2Bye.jpg

this......

[Babayaaga]

http://i.imgur.com/wsV2Bye.jpg

Captured Bigazz's likeness perfectly.

[element08]

Congrats dolj on their first raid target down. Next time you might get some loots.

[NextGenesis88]

Congrats on nothing. Ever. Nobody needs to make fools of Dolj, they do it well enough on their own. A guild aspiring to raid with class C, but doesn't even understand the simple mechanics of FTE? Even after being explained several times over in this very thread? Get real. I honestly think I would get more enjoyment out of this display than actually fighting the damn thing. AND retaining loot rights on their "first kill"? /afk nuking burrito

Git Gud Scurbs

[arsenalpow]

someone linked this to me today

http://imgur.com/a/BGbQR

[NextGenesis88]

We are an FTE guild!

Wait a minute bro, what's an FTE again?

[radditsu]

Oh scumbag Steve. Why are you so accurate.

[SuperDruid]

LERD BERB NEERDS MERRR MERRBS!

[kotton05]

dam I think class r has better rnf lately

[Thulack]

Sirken finally answered about the possible ban for Dojo........oh wait no he didnt he just said that guilds need to work it out or file a petition.....was a petition not sent originally and that is how Ateam was awarded loot or not?

[chief]

Who cares A-team got the loot. Gm's also never tell the public when/if they give guilds suspensions, only big rog dawg does that dogg.

[Thulack]

Who cares A-team got the loot. Gm's also never tell the public when/if they give guilds suspensions, only big rog dawg does that dogg.

They did when BDA got suspended. So yes they do annouce when guilds get raid suspended. And by the way his post was worded he seems like they arent even discussing a possible suspension or what would the reason for him saying they needed to petition.

[Man0warr]

Didn't the logs for the FTE give enough evidence that a mob was kill stolen? The simple fact you had to take the loot away from Lord Bob...

Not sure how the GMs can still run their Pro Lord Bob crusade in light of recent events.

[CodyF86]

Sirken finally answered about the possible ban for Dojo........oh wait no he didnt he just said that guilds need to work it out or file a petition.....was a petition not sent originally and that is how Ateam was awarded loot or not?

Trying my best to stay out of rnf, but I think I can answer this one for you. :)

Sirken was there watching the entire thing as it happened, so we got the loot
right then and there; Yes, there is a petition about the FTE ks.

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Derubael]

I need to stop reading RnF.

They did when BDA got suspended

only big rog dawg does that
^that

that is how Ateam was awarded loot or not?

They were awarded the loot because Sirken was there when Doljon killed a target A-team had FTE on.

Didn't the logs for the FTE give enough evidence that a mob was kill stolen? The simple fact you had to take the loot away from Lord Bob...


I seem to remember BDA doing this on a FE Draco FTE, and getting a warning instead of a suspension. I guess we were just running a pro BDA crusade at the time.

There is an A-team petition in that is under review.

Most importantly, we would greatly prefer if guilds attempted to work out disputes on their own.

Example:

A-team - 'Hey Doljon, ya'll trained us and jumped our FTE, could we get those loots? Maybe you guys could agree to not contest the next A-team target as well?"
Doljon - 'NAW, we will FTE without logic and fairness'
A-team - 'Ok, we will have to petition, then'

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Doljon hate.

[Thulack]

I need to stop reading RnF.




^that



They were awarded the loot because Sirken was there when Doljon killed a target A-team had FTE on.



I seem to remember BDA doing this on a FE Draco FTE, and getting a warning instead of a suspension. I guess we were just running a pro BDA crusade at the time.

There is an A-team petition in that is under review.

Most importantly, we would greatly prefer if guilds attempted to work out disputes on their own.

Example:

A-team - 'Hey Doljon, ya'll trained us and jumped our FTE, could we get those loots? Maybe you guys could agree to not contest the next A-team target as well?"
Doljon - 'NAW, we will FTE without logic and fairness'
A-team - 'Ok, we will have to petition, then'

You may now return to your regularly scheduled Doljon hate.

So Sirken was there and watched Lord Bob KS ATeam FTE? So why does he need a petition if he was there and saw it with his own eyes? How does that not instantly get any other raid guild suspended?

[Man0warr]

I seem to remember BDA doing this on a FE Draco FTE, and getting a warning instead of a suspension. I guess we were just running a pro BDA crusade at the time.

Yeah, but now there is a new PnP that specifically states:

All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.

It's not like this is Lord Bob's first warning - they have been shitting up Fear/Hate since the beginning of their existence.

[Man0warr]

Maybe "severe discipline" is just getting the loots you stole taken away.

[Thulack]

Ok i think i finally figured out what happened:

It was a KS training put on my Lord Bob. They had Sirken there to let them know what how they did it wrong so they can do it correctly next time to evade punishment.

[Splorf22]

A-team - 'Hey Doljon, ya'll trained us and jumped our FTE, could we get those loots? Maybe you guys could agree to not contest the next A-team target as well?"
Doljon - 'NAW, we will FTE without logic and fairness'
A-team - 'Ok, we will have to petition, then'

They were complaining when Sirken told them. If I had said this they would have laughed in my face.

[Unidus]

So Sirken was there and watched Lord Bob KS ATeam FTE? So why does he need a petition if he was there and saw it with his own eyes? How does that not instantly get any other raid guild suspended?

It should. If it was on live they would have been disbanded. Happened to my guild for a disputed leapfrog on Trak. A blatant KS would have had bans a flowing.

[Unidus]

The above is why I don't donate to Pantheon. Brad is the one that disbanded us that time :P

[radditsu]

The above is why I don't donate to Pantheon. Brad is the one that disbanded us that time :P

Poor guy.

[Chrimes]

So much speculation posted. This is actually what happened weather you want to believe it or not.

We (Dolj) position ourselves ahead of A-Team and closer to target. A-Team tags target and runs it past our raid, our raid ends up with agro due to proximity (Their is speculation that A-Team fd it on us on purpose, (If so great strategy for the sake of FTE and being able to mask an accidental train)

We (Doljo) then kill Maestro because we have agro, we are not going to let it wipe us....half of us in guild knew instantly A-Team had FTE and the loot and kill belonged to them.

Sirken pops in poofs corpse 30 sec later to give to A-Team and announce that A-Team in fact had verified FTE.

Myself and other officers included congratulate A-Team on a very good competitive race.

But because Doljo is evil scum, we should probably be suspended - right?

-Krimes/Pryvit

[Splorf22]

our raid ends up with agro due to proximity

no

[radditsu]

no

Not how aggro works

[YendorLootmonkey]

But because Doljo has thoroughly, and some may say irreparably, trashed our reputation with our actions since our guild's inception, all of our other actions can be reasonably considered as being performed with malice in the eyes of the rest of the guilds on the server, and therefore no one will cut us any slack and we should probably be suspended - right?

-Krimes/Pryvit

Fixed it for you. Stop acting surprised your reputation influences how other guilds view your guild's actions. Only your guild can change this.

[radditsu]

Yall a troll guild.

[Kagatob]

Yall a troll guild.

Suddenly I'm interested.

[Strifer]

http://i.imgur.com/2zsDSM8.gif

[CodyF86]

So much speculation posted. This is actually what happened weather you want to believe it or not.

We (Dolj) position ourselves ahead of A-Team and closer to target. A-Team tags target and runs it past our raid, our raid ends up with agro due to proximity (Their is speculation that A-Team fd it on us on purpose, (If so great strategy for the sake of FTE and being able to mask an accidental train)

We (Doljo) then kill Maestro because we have agro, we are not going to let it wipe us....half of us in guild knew instantly A-Team had FTE and the loot and kill belonged to them.

Sirken pops in poofs corpse 30 sec later to give to A-Team and announce that A-Team in fact had verified FTE.

Myself and other officers included congratulate A-Team on a very good competitive race.

But because Doljo is evil scum, we should probably be suspended - right?

-Krimes/Pryvit

Sorry try again...

[Mon Feb 10 19:03:23 2014] Sirken shouts, 'as per server rules, the mob goes to the person on the top of the FTE list and in this instance that person was Raev of the Ateam, followed 4 sec later by Jettli of Doljon'

It came to you guys because jetli stuck a jav in it 4 seconds after Raev did...

One mississippi, two mississippi, three mississippi, four mississippi...

Longer than it sounds if you count it out. He should have never javed it
after he saw the FTE message.

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[joppykid]

http://media.giphy.com/media/27EGHEEyCAsU0/giphy.gif

[chief]

Sorry try again...

[Mon Feb 10 19:03:23 2014] Sirken shouts, 'as per server rules, the mob goes to the person on the top of the FTE list and in this instance that person was Raev of the Ateam, followed 4 sec later by Jettli of Doljon'

It came to you guys because jetli stuck a jav in it 4 seconds after Raev did...

One mississippi, two mississippi, three mississippi, four mississippi...

Longer than it sounds if you count it out. He should have never javed it
after he saw the FTE message.

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

dawg thats why we need striikers rules, so monks can no longer use javs and druids would have to pull maestro but gate back to their home city in order to engage.

[Strifer]

svenn

http://i.imgur.com/DRwSg0Z.gif

[YendorLootmonkey]

you mean who did want to join the rotation and threw a bullshit fit when they didn't get their way? like just you guys?

http://i.imgur.com/lpLGVWj.jpg

[mattkwi]

Amongst all the R class bitching about Dolji needing to be suspended and rules needing to be changed because they don't like them.

Technically, per the rules, A-Team could also not engage Maestro as they were in the zone when he popped. Player rotations don't override that rule. Agreed Dolji sucks. But Dolji should ride that to the bank.

[mattkwi]

Also R guilds need to realize THIS IS THE REASON Rogean and Sirken are not responding to your requests to change the rules: It's already covered. Learn to get along like classy C class guilds.

Play Nice Policy

Intentional training will be severely disciplined.
Guilds are encouraged to work out disputes among themselves before involving the staff.
All raid mobs provide an "FTE Shout" that show what guild has engaged. Kill stealing will be severely disciplined.
Guilds may not have any more than two representatives present at a raid spawn location.
To encourage competitive racing, guilds may not camp players out in the vicinity of raid targets.
Invulnerability spells used on engagement may only be for mechanic strategies, and may not be used to stall engagement.

WTG FEIBTMO

[Mezzmur]

Amongst all the R class bitching about Dolji needing to be suspended and rules needing to be changed because they don't like them.

Technically, per the rules, A-Team could also not engage Maestro as they were in the zone when he popped. Player rotations don't override that rule. Agreed Dolji sucks. But Dolji should ride that to the bank.

Splorf222222222222

Confirm or Deny, A-Team was in Hate when Maestro Popped.

[CodyF86]

Splorf222222222222

Confirm or Deny, A-Team was in Hate when Maestro Popped.

I was in hate when he popped looking at the organ; there were 3 people in hate
when he popped.

They can even check the logs if they like. =)

Aaradin <The A-Team>
Jettli <dolj>
Tankzor <Dolj>

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Splorf22]

Splorf222222222222

Confirm or Deny, A-Team was in Hate when Maestro Popped.

There was a giant clusterfuck of 40 Doljon Mustards and A-Team on the wizard spires

[Uteunayr]

If the GMs would like players to resolve these issues amongst themselves, and this is their way to do it, they need to rethink their strategy. When BDA was suspended for a rule violation, while I was part of those suspended, I nodded and went "Yup, that's deserved.", because it fucking was. What happened was a clear violation of the rules. That type of enforcement should still be here.

Bring the rage, bring the fury. Suspend guilds infractions like this, make it so that going to GMs is such a costly move to all involved. Why? Because that means players will believe their best course of action to avoid frequent applications of suspensions is to handle shit amongst themselves, and to deal with each other in a more reasonable way. Only when settling matters between each other is a less costly action than going to a GM, will you see this type of stuff while a group that strives for a class C style is in class R. Nothing has changed from before these rules if they are not rigidly, and freely enforced. What is the worst that happens, a small fraction of the small fraction of high end raiders quit? A portion of the loudest, most angry, nasty, shitty people leave the server? Good, fuck 'em.

The main reason why this type of shit happens is lax discipline like this. There is a clear violation of a very clear and well known rule. Dish out a suspension like you did for BDA. Continue to throw out suspensions to anyone that violates rules. Make it so that people who violate rules and fuck with other guilds, both guilds have a better chance with a positive result by talking to each other and being reasonable, than going to a GM.

Seriously, the discipline in this server is so damn lax. There's no consistency in delivering of punishments, it is no wonder people are in such disarray on such a lax server. You don't answer to the guilds, so if you see something, as Rogean did with BDA, fucking suspend them. Instill fear and make people realize this type of bullshit doesn't fly, and I assure you, people will think twice before KSing, and will think a third time before getting GMs involved.

[Uteunayr]

^ The legalist in me speaking.

[Argh]

you forgot to bold that third clear

[Mezzmur]

^ The legalist in me speaking.

IMHO, the difference between CSR/GM Penalties vs Rogean Penalties is the public call-out. Rogean has done it (BDA, TMO, IB, Yibz, etc.) where as Sirken has always seemed to keep things close to the vest.

Just my observation.

[Mezzmur]

http://clzimages.com/movie/large/bb/bb_d__0_GoodCopBadCop.jpg

[Executiveutven]

IS Doljon recruiting?

[Klik]

you'd think by reading these forums that people aren't having fun playing a free game, love the gifs / memes btw

[chief]

this game has cost me my marriage, house, kids and pet hamster fml

[JayN]

this game has cost me my marriage, house, kids and pet hamster fml

lol

They must've not been quality, you can do better

[chief]

lol

They must've not been quality, you can do better

Nah man, it was the best hamster money can buy

[JayN]

Nah man, it was the best hamster money can buy

LOL, richard gere?

free lord bob!

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

Jettli common denominator.

[triad]

maybe they dont care about look and just like killing mobs ... ateam should thank them for killing the mob for them... chilvary is not dead i tell you

[triad]

loot

[Nirgon]

Wondering if after 5 more years of Kunark the scrub guilds will still be training themselves, blaming it on others and losing their mind over shit like Maestro.

[Fuggers]

Please take note, this thread has about 4 comments from A-team members and about the same from Dolj members. The rest is Class C typical banter about the effort-reward ratio and RnF trolls. Take a step outside, a deep breathe and look around. Everything will be ok

[radditsu]

Wondering if after 5 more years of Kunark the scrub guilds will still be training themselves, blaming it on others and losing their mind over shit like Maestro.

Nirgy. I think your time has passed.

[Skywarp]

So I take it that lord Bob will not be keeping to code then?
Capn Jack sparrow sad face.

[Kagatob]

Wondering if after 5 more years of Kunark the scrub guilds will still be training themselves, blaming it on others and losing their mind over shit like Maestro.

You'll be the one keeping everyone up to speed. It's not like you have anything else going for you after all.

[kotton05]

this class system makes me feel good

[Nirgon]

Nirgy. I think your time has passed.

Just gettin STARTED

[Nirgon]

https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1337/23/1337230843487.png

[radditsu]

Just gettin STARTED

Like Arnold and Stallone. Our time has passed. In a few years we can come back and make some kitch phara dar kill and make the masses remember past glories. We are at the top of the tower. The elite. But our time is over, it's time for the masses to compete as they see fit.


Retire nirgy. Go out on top. Don't pull a bruce willis on us.

[hatelore]

Fuck Nirgon, he probably doesnt even list, and was prolly never even a "has been", just a forum warrior and content correction crybaby~

[hatelore]

Hahahaha :p

[BahamutDF]

Better to be a "has been" than a "never was."

[Agatha]

time 2 move to red bro's, no such thing as FTE.

[Reguiy]

time 2 move to red bro's, no such thing as FTE.

Just let red die in peace.

[Nirgon]

Nirgy. I think your time has passed.

After next patch, be careful sitting.

H

http://www.harrahscouncilbluffs.com/images/Property/cou/events/COU_BudsForYou_4x3_300x225.jpg

[Mac Dretti]

24 pages over maestro

Looooool

[BigHurb]

we want all that bling bling