Druid vs Shaman (without Torpor) as a solo class in Velious?

[Vanessa]

Since Velious is coming out sometime soon, I was just wondering what some of your opinions would be on which class would be the better class for a solo player in Velious, Druid or Shaman? Something to add is I will most likely never be able to get the Torpor spell, however I do have access to a Manastone that I could use on either character.

I normally only play solo because of the random times I am online, however having the ability to be a semi support / healing class also is appealing sometimes too, which is why I am saying Shaman or Druid, and leaving out Necro/Enchanter/Mage etc.

What are your thoughts / opinions?

[Pheer]

Shaman > druid for soloing in velious imo

[Frogie305]

Shaman > Druid , For everything.

[Pheer]

Shaman > Druid , For everything.

bet a druid can outport your shaman

[Daldaen]

Well a manastone is useless in velious so scratch that, and anything soloable my a shaman in classic is doable by a druid I'm sure, but when it comes to actual velious content a shamans gonna do better vs. Summoning and dungeon nameds

Manastone isn't useless in Velious.

Druids have ports and bind. Bind somewhere cool... PoMischief, Western Wastes, Cobalt Scar, etc.

Quad/Root Rot/Charm Kite
Port to WC when OOM
Spirit of Oak -> Manastone
Gate back when FM.

Spend about 250 mana between gate/port/spirit of oak, but with manastone you should regen it back much faster than meditating without it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Only big ticket mob druids can solo in velious is Lodizal, and possibly a few of the west waste dragons.

[Comapavik]

Wouldn't count yourself out on Torpor in Velious! Lot more raid mobs, so lots more spells should be dropping. A lot of groupable stuff too. I know I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

As far as your question, I know there are places to quad in Velious, so you could probably get to 60 faster on a druid. Soloing efficiently on a shaman is usually pretty gear-dependent (epic, jbb, fungi). I don't have any of that shit, and I can kill a lot of stuff, but because of the downtime it's more suited to farming items than exp. So I would say it depends on what you're trying to accomplish solo.

[Byrjun]

I will most likely never be able to get the Torpor spell, however I do have access to a Manastone that I could use on either character.

Sell your manastone (useless in Velious), and buy Torpor (the tits in Velious).

Wouldn't count yourself out on Torpor in Velious! Lot more raid mobs, so lots more spells should be dropping. A lot of groupable stuff too. I know I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I don't think Kunark spells will drop in Velious. If anything, prices may increase as people move out of Kunark and into Velious.

[Daldaen]

Torpor will only drop in Kunark.

Velious raid mobs only drop Velious raid spells (of which each class only really gets 1). Which makes them ridiculously common (especially since some like Lodizal die every 12 hours and always drop 4 spells). Which *SHOULD* make them cheap. But who knows with this server.

[Asap]

Sell MS, buy torpor

[Pheer]

stranglehold on the good kunark camps should lessen making it easier to camp for torpor

Price on it probably wont go down any though since fewer people locking down the good kunark camps just means even less supply of it

[Frogie305]

bet a druid can outport your shaman

this is the only thing a druid can do better. Port places, Anything you can do I CAN DO BETTER LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA ..

[Pheer]

this is the only thing a druid can do better. Port places, Anything you can do I CAN DO BETTER LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA ..

bet a druid can DS better than you bro

how does that make you feel

[Frogie305]

bet a druid can DS better than you bro

how does that make you feel

My Shaman Made potions SAY NAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Pheer]

My Shaman Made potions SAY NAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

nay is what i say to the idea of you giving out free DS potions to random people dawg

[VincentVolaju]

You guys really think selling the stone to buy Torpor would be the way to go? I remember when stones were 300k, isn't there a chance that the price could go back up?

[Tasslehofp99]

You guys really think selling the stone to buy Torpor would be the way to go? I remember when stones were 300k, isn't there a chance that the price could go back up?

No, don't sell it.


and there ARE tons of low-mid range items/areas you can camp for plat/items, as a druid.

[webrunner5]

You can ONLY use a Manastone in Classic zones. Not in Kunark, not in Velious zones. So on paper it is as useless as tits on a boar hog. YMMV.:eek:

[baalzy]

As was said. Port, Manastone, Gate. Makes MS not super useless. The other thing is, torpor will always drop. Manastones not so much.

[Tecmos Deception]

Torpor will only drop in Kunark.

Velious raid mobs only drop Velious raid spells (of which each class only really gets 1). Which makes them ridiculously common (especially since some like Lodizal die every 12 hours and always drop 4 spells). Which *SHOULD* make them cheap. But who knows with this server.

I would think that some of the Velious spells will be very expensive for quite a while because people who have a lot of money will be willing to pay a lot of money to get those spells quickly. God knows I wouldn't want to be a level 60 druid in Velious without the new heals and POTG, or a 60 wizard in Velious without the bane nukes, or a 60 shaman in Velious who cannot be a bear, etc. Won't be until those folk have their spells and then some that the prices come down on them.

I'm sure on live, where there was less money and fewer high levels and less knowledge of the game, those spells were cheaper. But here, better brace yourself!

[Darkyle]

As was said. Port, Manastone, Gate. Makes MS not super useless. The other thing is, torpor will always drop. Manastones not so much.

also worth to note once you scribed torpor you have it forever, you can sell the manastone at any point :D

[Tecmos Deception]

also worth to note once you scribed torpor you have it forever, you can sell the manastone at any point :D

There is the fact that manastones are selling for less now than they have in a year+ (I think), though, and that torpor is more expensive than ever.

[Darkyle]

There is the fact that manastones are selling for less now than they have in a year+ (I think), though, and that torpor is more expensive than ever.

This is true but nonetheless they are still no longer dropping, who knows the less of them there eventually becomes they may rise again.

[Byrjun]

or a 60 shaman in Velious who cannot be a bear

Hate that spell. Hate.

[Hailto]

Hate that spell. Hate.

haters gon hate

[koros]

If you're soloing for loot:

Druid can solo lodi (with charm). Shaman cannot.

There's not a ton of other mobs (that are worth killing) which a non-torpor shaman will be able to solo that a druid can't. Maybe some things in Kael or Skyshrine or possibly Velks

Overall: Shaman

[Erati]

what can druid charm in Iceclad to solo Lodi?

does it have to be that other name turtle or are there several options...

[koros]

what can druid charm in Iceclad to solo Lodi?

does it have to be that other name turtle or are there several options...

Named overpowered turtle. Everything else would be demolished.

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/npc.html?id=6454

[koros]

I charmed him a few times when I was messing around with my enchanter on eqmac who was level 45ish. He was resistant, but not nearly like those zam reports claimed.

Regardless, A druid would need to be quite lucky to keep him charmed and not die to lodi.

Edit: That alla thread made me realize he's basically 100% mr except for dire charm. I realized that I didn't charm Coroduth. I charmed Keref Spiritspear, who can do most of the work against lodi.

Druid shouldn't be able to take lodi out.

[Lojik]

If you're soloing for loot:

Druid can solo lodi (with charm). Shaman cannot.

There's not a ton of other mobs (that are worth killing) which a non-torpor shaman will be able to solo that a druid can't. Maybe some things in Kael or Skyshrine or possibly Velks

Overall: Shaman

Corudoth level 5, Shaman can charm him too.

[Daldaen]

A smart shaman can solo Lodizal. And maybe a totally boss enchanter.

Also at Tecmos, yea PotG will be expensive for awhile I'd guess. The heal is vendor sold so that's no problem. But the spell table is much more limited than Kunark boss spell tables:

Bard - V2 Haste
Cleric - Aegolism
Druid - PotGrove
Enchanter - Gift of Brilliance
Magician - Monster Summoning 3
Necromancer - Arch Lich (Death Peace)
Paladin - Divine Strength
Ranger - Call of Predator
Shadowknight - Death Peace
Shaman - Focus of Spirit
Wizard - Ice Spear of Solist

That's the extent of what raid mobs like Lodizal will drop. 11 spells, Lodi drops 4 per 12 hours. They will stack up quickly I think.

[Daldaen]

Re Corduth, he isn't the only undercon in the zone

Keref Spiritspear is a gnoll at the gnoll huts near ToFS. He has about 50k HP, and hits for around 80. Wields weapons and is level 35ish so an enchanter or puppet string master should hold him easily for a long duration.

[Tecmos Deception]

Ohh. For some reason I was thinking all of the Velious spells were exclusively drops.

[Daldaen]

A few were vendor sold.

Druids 60 heal and 55 heal were sold in EC for example.

Each class gets a level 60 spell that is dropped though (apparently necros get 2 since they share with SKs). There are a few 55 spells that drop in SG / Velketors too. Like Druid bear pet <3.

[Erati]

A few were vendor sold.

Druids 60 heal and 55 heal were sold in EC for example.

Each class gets a level 60 spell that is dropped though (apparently necros get 2 since they share with SKs). There are a few 55 spells that drop in SG / Velketors too. Like Druid bear pet <3.

I remember the druid bear pet being pretty damn rare

in fact most the lvl 55 Velious spells are rare while most guilds will be swimming in the lvl 60 ones as so many named ( like Lody) drop several copies of only lvl 60 spells

and as Daldaen points out theres only 1 lvl 60 spell per class so you will see many many many many copies of these lvl 60 spells


the lvl 55 spells ( depending on which) will be the prized ones for plats

all these spells will be overpriced at launch tho, bc the raiders will NEED these spells to even think about raiding big Velious content

[jaybone]

I remember the druid bear pet being pretty damn rare

in fact most the lvl 55 Velious spells are rare while most guilds will be swimming in the lvl 60 ones as so many named ( like Lody) drop several copies of only lvl 60 spells

and as Daldaen points out theres only 1 lvl 60 spell per class so you will see many many many many copies of these lvl 60 spells


the lvl 55 spells ( depending on which) will be the prized ones for plats

all these spells will be overpriced at launch tho, bc the raiders will NEED these spells to even think about raiding big Velious content

You underestimate the power of 3 years kunark.

[Daldaen]

Yea I don't expect to get PotG as a non-poopsocker / non-casual raider for a long while after Velious comes out. Especially if Corudth is made uncharmable here :P.

[Zapatos]

Druids will be able to quad kite in cobalt scar. Also certain wolves in kael are charmable and I believe the wolves in WW are charmable as well. If not you could just kite them. Could probably make bank dragging people in PoG too?

Speaking of, those PoG quest rewards were sweet for tunare Druids.

[Daldaen]

Speaking of, those PoG quest rewards were sweet for tunare Druids.

Sucks for all the min/maxers who thought halfling was a good Druid class. Stupid Halflings.

Vindi dies so often and it isn't MQable so that head is going to rot a lot I think after a few months.

[VincentVolaju]

There is the fact that manastones are selling for less now than they have in a year+ (I think), though, and that torpor is more expensive than ever.


Do you think the current trend will continue, with stones going down in price and torpor only continuing to go up?

[koros]

Sucks for all the min/maxers who thought halfling was a good Druid class. Stupid Halflings.

Vindi dies so often and it isn't MQable so that head is going to rot a lot I think after a few months.

Any min-maxing halfling druid worth their salt is gonna get some raid loot for gloves and not look back ><

[citizen1080]

Do you think the current trend will continue, with stones going down in price and torpor only continuing to go up?

I would advise not to sell the stone. There is a reason I am sitting on 5 of them currently.

Manastones will do nothing but gain value in the long term. Yes it will fluctuate but as long as you sell it when the market is right you will come out way ahead. The market is not right currently, fyi.

I paid 50-60k for most my manastones years ago.I sold two a few months ago for 300k each. Fairly good return imo.

I recently bought up a few at 150k each, I fully expect them to be 300K+ 6 months into velious.


I could be wrong by based on my return on manastones in the past and their historical prices on live servers they are the best investment you can make in EQ.



tldr - Don't sell your stone - Unless its to me for cheep =)

[Tecmos Deception]

I'm sure stones will be up above 250 again eventually, but yeah, it seems like it will probably be at least a year from now. There are undoubtedly a bunch that will come to the surface when Velious release is officially announced and released.

[Clark]

bet a druid can DS better than you bro

how does that make you feel

lol

[Aaron]

You guys really think selling the stone to buy Torpor would be the way to go? I remember when stones were 300k, isn't there a chance that the price could go back up?

I remember when stones were 12k.

Sell the manastone.

[Jarnauga]

Druid VS Shaman

lol'd