Influx of new jerks? Or just old jerks emerging recently?

[Solb]

Has anyone noticed in the last 3-4 weeks or so, the influx of jackasses now? From the first time I logged in a year or so ago, till most recently I had more pleasant experiences with the players base.

Now, suddenly over the last few weeks I personally have had more issues over camps, more experiences with players refusing to group others due to class/xp penalty etc., when the class would work just fine in the group... ("We have a cleric, we don't need another healer", when the camp is a lower lvl dungeon and any class would honestly do just fine filling a spot in the group).

I seen a 3 man group in MM, refusing to group anyone else at a major camp spot because "We hold the camp just fine and get better xp this way, why would we invite more?" The truth was, they had mobs sitting up in spot, and when others began to pull them because they would not get invited to the group, the group ragequit and finally left... But, why?

I could list many other situations, but this stuff really didn't seem that prevalent when I first started on the server. Was I just lucky before, or is there indeed an increase in trolling/poor behavior amongst the player base now?

[Swish]

It's always been this way. I had to give up on my troll SK at 43 (about 2 years ago) because of the min/max players. Well played to those who held out and made it to 60.

[Tecmos Deception]

Camp disputes suck, yeah. But there's nothing inherently wrong with not wanting to group with someone else. Sounds like you're trying to lump a group of 3 trying to claim more mobs than they could actually deal with into some kind of random hate for people who like faster xp/dislike hybrids/have free will.

Swish, you don't have to do anything. Blaming other people for a choice you made is lame as fuck.

[Solb]

That was just an example. I have just had many little "situations" occur recently, and it is beginning to boggle my mind because in the past I dealt with childish behavior on other games way more frequently than on this server. I just wonder if it's catching on, that this free server is running and so, garbage players from other games are now arriving here.

[rollin5k]

Some times there are cool people that will get full groups going that aren't as "efficient".

Then there's times where there's two or three people at every camp. "sorry bro there's not enough spawns"
Even though they're taking 45 second to kill a DB and barely holding the camps.

[Daldaen]

I rarely group, but when I do I generally will just invite anyone regardless of exp penalty.

Generally I am just soloing or duoing. When I am doing that the person I play with and myself have varying play times so we sometimes have to log 5 minutes after getting on. This makes grouping with others not all that helpful since we kill 3 mobs together and have to get going. Also we don't type much cause voicechat, and keeping someone in the loop is more effort /leh sigh.

[tankh]

Not sure what zones you are talking about but if somebody doesn't want you in there group that is up to them, seems to be more post about people moaning about over camped, not enough mobs etc etc but most are unwilling to go to the tons of empty zones. (some nice ZEM dungeons are empty too if u want to take a group to them)


just my 2cp

[Solb]

That's how I feel about it. I always have great geared toons, and easily could feel superior to lesser geared players but I never turn others away due to their gears or their class. If they can join and add anything, that's fine. I never min/max a low lvl group, in a low lvl dungeon it's just asinine and blocks others who want to xp/have fun from doing so. Just my perspective anyway.

[Tecmos Deception]

That's how I feel about it. I always have great geared toons, and easily could feel superior to lesser geared players but I never turn others away due to their gears or their class. If they can join and add anything, that's fine. I never min/max a low lvl group, in a low lvl dungeon it's just asinine and blocks others who want to xp/have fun from doing so. Just my perspective anyway.

Do you want a cookie?

You do what you like to do, and other people do what they like to do. If what someone likes is causing a real problem ingame, then petition it. If what someone likes simply isn't the same as what you like, then learn to deal with it.

[Freakish]

I used to put together groups a lot more than I do now. That /who all bug is just so damn annoying when searching for people.
There's also some people like myself who have alts created just for grouping with friends. I don't want to invite you to my mnk/shm duo. Not because I won't appreciate you as a group member but because I'm literally playing my monk for the purposes of a duo.

[rollin5k]

yea, DEAL WITH IT

[Spoonerism]

I have noticed the same trend as OP.

I started in 2012, and it is a little different now than it was then, but with EQmac shutting down (I believe) and perhaps the yearly rush of new players, it is bound to happen!

But yeah, I have friends who have been having issues with camps and rude people in general. A lot of "U mad bro?" flying around as well as "Learn 2 play".

But hey, I suppose you got to take the bad with the good! /petition

[Hinshi Budou]

There definitely has been an influx of assholes on the server lately. Probably most of them alts of the hardcore raid people. You can sense their "entitlement" attitude a mile away.

Children don't like it when they have a sandbox where they are not governed by parental figures and get to be the bullies, then are suddenly faced with parental figures (GM's) enforcing parental rules and the spoiled brats who do not like this one bit are spreading their misguided anger around.

...and even more of them playing forum quest.

Be prepared for lots of them to use rule lawyering to grief you and get away with it. Load that fraps and keep it running if you are camping anything important, and timestamp often, cause screenshots don't mean shit.

[Allheart]

I've only been playing for a few months so I couldn't say how things have changed over the years but overall, the community is quite good with some a-holes thrown in for good measure.

The community is absolutely outstanding when compared with other more modern mmo's that I've played (FFXIV anyone?).

[sox7d]

lol@ all the fucktards saying "they don't have to invite you," "it's not their fault they don't want hybrid penalty," "they have free will, get over it."


the OP wasn't saying they HAD to do it, he was saying that they were jerks which they completely are. everyone has the right to be an asshole and you can't do anything about it, but let's not forget that they are indeed pieces of shit that make this game worse for everyone else.

[hopped]

I used to put together groups a lot more than I do now. That /who all bug is just so damn annoying when searching for people.
There's also some people like myself who have alts created just for grouping with friends. I don't want to invite you to my mnk/shm duo. Not because I won't appreciate you as a group member but because I'm literally playing my monk for the purposes of a duo.

I am a noob to the server, started latest year, and I've seen the jerks people are mentioning. I think others can understand that perhaps older players with multiple 60s are looking for a new way to run through the game, like your duo option, but I don't understand taking up popular camps for full groups when there are so many other zones that could present a challenge for that play style. Cazic Thule for example is a challenging zone that isn't super popular... Anyway just my 2 cents.

[Tecmos Deception]

lol@ all the fucktards saying "they don't have to invite you," "it's not their fault they don't want hybrid penalty," "they have free will, get over it."


the OP wasn't saying they HAD to do it, he was saying that they were jerks which they completely are. everyone has the right to be an asshole and you can't do anything about it, but let's not forget that they are indeed pieces of shit that make this game worse for everyone else.

So I'm a fucktard jerk asshole piece of shit who makes this game worse for everyone else because I don't selflessly sacrifice xp and loot just because I have room in my group to invite more people?

[sox7d]

So I'm a fucktard jerk asshole piece of shit who makes this game worse for everyone else because I don't selflessly sacrifice xp and loot just because I have room in my group to invite more people?

yeah.

only a few classes can solo effectively untwinked, so excluding the rest from getting a typical amount of exp, at the expense of a very slight amount from you is a dick move, especially considering the scarcity of mobs in general. P99 was supposed to be the last bastion of encouraged cooperation and dependence in MMOs and the solo-twinks, PLers and min-maxers ruin it for people that want to play the class they think is cool.

min-maxers roll their eyes whenever someone brings up the casual EQ player or the newbie on their first character who hasn't been studying the game for 15 years, but those newbies are the ones playing for enjoyment and are getting shafted for a minor gain by the folks racing to another max-level character that view 1-59 as a chore.

go play every other mmo so you don't have to talk to people.

[Tecmos Deception]

Lol. Literally nothing you just said is true. I don't even know what to else to say.

I hope that I'm being trolled, but I fear that you're serious.

[JayN]

Has anyone noticed in the last 3-4 weeks or so, the influx of jackasses now? From the first time I logged in a year or so ago, till most recently I had more pleasant experiences with the players base.



Stopped reading here, the cause was shut down of EQmac, mmmmmmm enjoy the new players

[Derubael]

Welcome.
to
RnF.

Trolls, please obliterate this thread, thanks.

<3, Deru.

[teija]

Trolls, please obliterate this thread, thanks.

<3, Deru.

Someone get this bitch a fresh tampon so she will shut the fuck up.

well done!

[JayN]

lizard king sic'ing his zerglings on mac haters, batsu

[Mehrk]

In my opinion there is a massive influx of overly-sensitive people making threads about how their feelings were hurt because in their opinion someone is being rude to them.

If someone is running a duo or trio they are not required to invite anyone, nor should they if they prefer their setup. Smaller, balanced groups are faster exp and not everyone is seeking nostalgic slogfest grinding. Some people are on their 8th characters and have been in unrest enough to make them suicidal.

I don't agree with not inviting someone because of a penalty, but most of the time people crying about this particular matter leave out the fact that it was a ranger or knight. It's not exactly surprising that not everyone wants a big hit to their exp and an underpowered class in their group. When do you see people rejecting bards? Pretty much never, yet they still get the hybrid penalty. Monks are also rarely turned away in my experience. If this situation was nearly as bad as people claim you would see a lot more halflings. I'm not saying it doesn't suck when you are that troll shadowknight, but like Tecmos said, you made the choice. No one forced you to eat that troll penalty.

And to answer your rhetorical question masking the rant, NO, there is not suddenly a massive amount of douchebags on the server - you are simply not used to games that require interaction. People were always doucehbags, you just didn't talk to them in every other mmo.

For the record I've been playing off and on since early 2011 and have had very few encounters where I have thought someone was truly trying to be rude to me.

[Derubael]

For what it's worth, most of the posts in this thread were fine, and I understand the frustration that can sometimes be had when you are unable to find a group or feel you are being discriminated against.

But then I read posts like this that I hope are trolls:

lol@ all the fucktards saying "they don't have to invite you," "it's not their fault they don't want hybrid penalty," "they have free will, get over it."


the OP wasn't saying they HAD to do it, he was saying that they were jerks which they completely are. everyone has the right to be an asshole and you can't do anything about it, but let's not forget that they are indeed pieces of shit that make this game worse for everyone else.

And this whole thing gets sent straight to RnF.

[sox7d]

i guess you guys are right. since that seems to be the philosophy here, i think we should have ranger, paladin, shadowknight, troll and iksar locked on accounts until they have a level 45 character. they'll be geared enough to solo somewhat, won't be wasting hours wondering why they aren't getting groups and reasonable players won't have to group with them and have their exp taken.

[Tecmos Deception]

i guess you guys are right. since that seems to be the philosophy here, i think we should have ranger, paladin, shadowknight, troll and iksar locked on accounts until they have a level 45 character. they'll be geared enough to solo somewhat, won't be wasting hours wondering why they aren't getting groups and reasonable players won't have to group with them and have their exp taken.

I can't help but be amused that you are simultaneously whining about non-full groups AND hybrids being hated. Hybrids fit best in smaller groups, after all, where their versatility can be better used than in most full groups.

[runlvlzero]

ITT, it did not originate in RnF, and OP finally came off their nostalgia high, realized it's an MMO and people are impatient

[sox7d]

I can't help but be amused that you are simultaneously whining about non-full groups AND hybrids being hated. Hybrids fit best in smaller groups, after all, where their versatility can be better used than in most full groups.

who gives a shit? i'd take a group of three clerics, a ranger and two paladins if it meant someone on this server wasn't sitting around waiting to play. maybe one of them would give up their spot to an LFG rogue for the sake of courtesy, but many classes, especially if their newbies, are dependent on groups to play this game at all. to shit on player dependency, interaction and community is the cancer that's killing the MMO genre.

i recommend cookie clicker (http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/) for you. you can get all your pixels and see your virtual numbers go up without having to talk or work alongside anyone.

[sox7d]

TMO: if you want to experience the end-game, put in the effort + hours and work for it.

bregan: we don't want to play that way but still want to kill things

TMO: fuck you, i want to gear my 7th alt

-----------------------------------------

techmo: if you want to experience the game, make a class that has no penalty or can solo

me: we don't want to make a solo class but still want to kill things

techmo: fuck you, i want to level my 7th alt slightly faster

[Tecmos Deception]

Solo'd a ranger from 1-32 on SoD only using what I personally looted/crafted/quested. It was quite rewarding and peaceful.

Sox teh hypocrite.

[sox7d]

Sox teh hypocrite.

:(

[sox7d]

Dat hipo

hey buddy i said :(

[goshozal]

I like how the "TMO gearing their #th alt" meme is creeping up.

When I first started it was "oh TMO's gearing their alt."

During the raid negotiations it was "TMO's 3rd alt" or "TMO 4th alt" pretty consistently.

Now we're up to 7th alts.


I wish I had 7 alts.

[Kagatob]

Camp disputes suck, yeah. But there's nothing inherently wrong with not wanting to group with someone else. Sounds like you're trying to lump a group of 3 trying to claim more mobs than they could actually deal with into some kind of random hate for people who like faster xp/dislike hybrids/have free will.

Swish, you don't have to do anything. Blaming other people for a choice you made is lame as fuck.

Do you want a cookie?

You do what you like to do, and other people do what they like to do. If what someone likes is causing a real problem ingame, then petition it. If what someone likes simply isn't the same as what you like, then learn to deal with it.

So I'm a fucktard jerk asshole piece of shit who makes this game worse for everyone else because I don't selflessly sacrifice xp and loot just because I have room in my group to invite more people?

I can't help but be amused that you are simultaneously whining about non-full groups AND hybrids being hated. Hybrids fit best in smaller groups, after all, where their versatility can be better used than in most full groups.

TL;DR version: I play the way I want to and the more people who play my way the better. Fuck your entitled ass for wanting to have fun, I have alts to lvl/gear.

The min/max queen has spoken!

[goshozal]

TL;DR version: I play the way I want to and the more people who play my way the better. Fuck your entitled ass for wanting to have fun, I have alts to lvl/gear.

The min/max queen has spoken!

Tecmos confirmed part of the 1% keeping the server everyman down.

Occupy!

[Kagatob]

Tecmos confirmed part of the 2.5% keeping the server everyman down.

Fixed for accuracy.

Occupy is for jobless hippy trash.

[Tecmos Deception]

If I were min/max royalty, would I have a wiz, a SK, and a ranger as 3 of my 4 alts? Would I just this week have gotten 60 on a second alt (with the others being 43, 35, and 33)? Would I have my SK in CoM to group and my necro in MM to group (where he gets turned down for groups, actually - cause who would want nearly-free heals and pet+RoA DPS in their groups right?)?

I don't care how people play so long as they aren't trying to force their way on me.

Why do people keep bringing up my alts? LIke I said, I have 4, one of which doesn't need any more xp or gear, and 3 of which ONLY group and don't need any more gear. Me playing alts = random PUGs in CoM winning shit by default cause I don't roll on wu's trance sticks. Me playing alts = twinked-ass characters helping non-epic rogues get xp. Etc.

I AM Sirken-confirmed 1% though.

[twubbles]

When you pick a class/race combo that has by far the largest xp penalty in the game, you are bound to run into more situations where people consider that before grouping with you.

It's you, not everyone else.

[sox7d]

again, no one is saying they should be forced to let non-optimal/exp penalty classes in, but the jury's in on you being a dick if that's the basis of your decision.

im the jury

[Solb]

When I created this post, I didn't start it in RnF, it got moved by Derubael, I guess he thinks that's more amusing. Just pointing this out, because I wasn't trying to garner "negative" attention as RnF often does.

I was bored, server was down, and what I wrote was a small facet of some of the things I recently have witnessed or experienced. I understand why people treat others poorly, and why gamers here choose not to group with others regardless of the reasons behind those decisions. Does it make it OK? I guess it depends on your perspective.

My point was from my experience over the past month or so it seems that more people troll, act like jackasses, are rude to other players when in the past it was not so prevalent. Just an observation.

I have been in groups where people say, "what weapons does the rogue have?" And, literally would not group the guy because he had a 8/25 piercer at lvl 15. Sure. It's their choice. But it's a dick move. I don't have to explain why.

Fun to me is helping others and having enjoyable chat, while killing mobs. I get it. My fun is not necessarily others fun. To others, fun is trolling, being an asshole, and not grouping other people for trivial reasons and being a dick about about it.

[Raavak]

The jerks are always around, but they are in the minority. You maybe saw more of them during the raid outage as there wasn't as much to do except group and farm, and then they were even angrier than usual.

[sox7d]

When I created this post, I didn't start it in RnF, it got moved by Derubael, I guess he thinks that's more amusing. Just pointing this out, because I wasn't trying to garner "negative" attention as RnF often does.

I was bored, server was down, and what I wrote was a small facet of some of the things I recently have witnessed or experienced. I understand why people treat others poorly, and why gamers here choose not to group with others regardless of the reasons behind those decisions. Does it make it OK? I guess it depends on your perspective.

My point was from my experience over the past month or so it seems that more people troll, act like jackasses, are rude to other players when in the past it was not so prevalent. Just an observation.

I have been in groups where people say, "what weapons does the rogue have?" And, literally would not group the guy because he had a 8/25 piercer at lvl 15. Sure. It's their choice. But it's a dick move. I don't have to explain why.

Fun to me is helping others and having enjoyable chat, while killing mobs. I get it. My fun is not necessarily others fun. To others, fun is trolling, being an asshole, and not grouping other people for trivial reasons and being a dick about about it.

EQ in 1999-2001 was a bunch of idiots banding together to get as far as they could based on caster's realm, everlore and retarded EQ folklore ("wisdom is success rate on tradeskills and intelligence is skill ups and dex affects fletching.")

We got a server now where the majority of the population has been studying the game for 15 years and they're all jaded, self-sufficient, and playing to win.

[Solb]

Yeah, I should have just kept my boredom from letting me post some of my frustrations. But, it's nice to see that some people remain civil while still being anonymous unlike some others.

And that was a good point, maybe some of the less mature players were angry because they couldn't raid and collect their pixels, so they were venting and being dickish while drowning in their own misery.

Unhappy people like to make others less happy. It's just natural.

[Euth]

Lol. Literally nothing you just said is true. I don't even know what to else to say.

I hope that I'm being trolled, but I fear that you're serious.

this made me giggle

~Euth

[Euth]

HAHA, I totally do this shit all the time. Sorry, I guess I am an elitist dick as well. This is not my 7th alt, and this is how I ALWAYS played and continue to play the game. You like to play with whoever that shows up, that's great, and maybe you love it. I personally would not like playing in a group with 3 tanks and 3 priests, just so everyone can feel included.
It's like if I go down to the local rink for a pick-up game of hockey. I am not going to pick the guy with figure skates, just to promote the sense of local community.

I see nothing wrong with min/maxing MY group however I wish, it has happened for years, you are probably just running into more players that do it regularly since the raid ban was in effect for quite a while.

Oh and Tecmos solos Drusella. I mean he's at the top of the head when it comes to super uber elitists =-)

[phacemeltar]

New Jerks would be a sweet guild name