New raid rules

[Sarius]

There is a lot of ambiguity, get ready lawyers!

[Sarius]

I like your other avatar girl better, q bring her back please?

[Ella`Ella]

To preserve intrinsic value of items, increase variance in light of additional repops.

[ElanoraBryght]

Last time it Sirkin posted a new "Raid Policy" it was rescinded within a day.

Anyone actually heard Rogean say this time it's real?

[JayN]

Last time it Sirkin posted a new "Raid Policy" it was rescinded within a day.

Anyone actually heard Rogean say this time it's real?

You dare Question Sirken? ban please

[Splorf22]

Unbrella, everything you say makes less and less sense. Increasing variance will not decrease the flow of items into the world.

[Doors]

To preserve intrinsic value of items, increase variance in light of additional repops.

Negotiations over time to stop bitching.

[element08]

There's no intrinsic value to items. There's a relative value before and after the raid changes. I'm not disagreeing or agreeing with increased variance timers because it doesn't really affect me, just you're asking to increase variance to preserve the relative value of items based on a preference for the values prior to the new schedule.

[Reguiy]

Someone needs to start gerrymandering what's considered the "vicinity of a raid mob." Even then it seems to be like guilds are just going to camp out, fully buffed, at the closest possible location to the raid mob.

[-Catherin-]

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[Hailto]

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Big lguk farmer moving on to rotated mobs now?

[sanforce]

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By being the biggest mangina on the server?

[Cookiefist]

Is this RnF?

[Reguiy]

Is this RnF?

No, but the floodgates of TMO/FE have opened. Loading....please wait. Welcome to the Ocean of Tears!

[Ciroco]

Everything is going to be RnF for a while.

[Hailto]

No, but the floodgates of TMO/FE have opened. Loading....please wait. Welcome to the Ocean of Tears!

Goodluck in VP.

[Spacebar]

No, but the floodgates of TMO/FE have opened. Loading....please wait. Welcome to the Ocean of Tears!

Until they figure out that all they have to do is start a new guild or use their old "feeder" guilds which will automatically be put into class R. A nice home for those alt armies. These kinds of people will find a way to get what they want. You can't force people to have manners, unfortunately. Once class R is diluted with a ton of guilds, most will want to move to class C anyways. Will be interesting to see how things play out, though. I can't complain, at least the staff are trying to give people more opportunities to experience the game.

[Handull]

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i feel like we've all won with this agreement. looking forward to it myself.

i could be wrong, but I predict item values will go down slightly for a time. now that many more people have the chance to raid and loot the gear they would otherwise buy, they will be out of the market for said gear. the supply should remain fairly steady all things considered. should be fun regardless.

[-Catherin-]

i feel like we've all won with this agreement. looking forward to it myself.

pretty much all I meant. some people just take things way too seriously. Some clarifications are needed with some of the rules but looking forward to this too

[Handull]

Until they figure out that all they have to do is start a new guild or use their old "feeder" guilds which will automatically be put into class R. A nice home for those alt armies. These kinds of people will find a way to get what they want. You can't force people to have manners, unfortunately. Once class R is diluted with a ton of guilds, most will want to move to class C anyways. Will be interesting to see how things play out, though. I can't complain, at least the staff are trying to give people more opportunities to experience the game.

staff has said before they will not tolerate a C guild breaking up to form alt R guilds. I get the feeling that by now the GMs have accepted the fact that you can't make hard rules for every scenario. The best they can do is be personally involved in the raid scene, be transparent, and avoid corruption. With that they can call out guilds on any bullshit they try to pull to get around the rules and make the server a better place. Should remove rnf while they're at it.

[Reguiy]

Until they figure out that all they have to do is start a new guild or use their old "feeder" guilds which will automatically be put into class R. A nice home for those alt armies. These kinds of people will find a way to get what they want. You can't force people to have manners, unfortunately. Once class R is diluted with a ton of guilds, most will want to move to class C anyways. Will be interesting to see how things play out, though. I can't complain, at least the staff are trying to give people more opportunities to experience the game.

This is why I'm against a player enforced rotation. Too many guilds will want to join in and it will eventually be a massive 10-15 guild rotation. If there's no rotation, then there will be about the same amount of casual raiding guilds. Or maybe Velious will solve all our problems before that becomes an issue.

[Splorf22]

i feel like we've all won with this agreement

+1. No losers IMO

[-Catherin-]

a rotation is going to be kind of a pain with how this system works too. I mean im sure its possible but its going to be pretty tedious to set up. Will have to see what happens in practice

[Redstars]

Well I know BDA will be rotating of mobs. With all the pull they had trying to share mobs. They better rotate them the best they can. Must keep that White Knight Status

[Doors]

Well that didn't take long.

[Lazie]

a rotation is going to be kind of a pain with how this system works too. I mean im sure its possible but its going to be pretty tedious to set up. Will have to see what happens in practice

Seems pretty easy to me just set a rotation on each mob on the list. They rotate to your class the person next on the list kills it. I mean you guys better come up with a rotation or people might suspect you guys held out to get all you could for yourselves and used the promise of a rotation to get casual guilds behind you. Not saying you did just saying it would be kinda fishy if suddenly "It's too hard to have a rotation so we are going to be FFA too!!"

[Nietche]

We have a nanny server now? Haha.

[Nuggie]

Better than no raiding. Yea?

[Nietche]

Better than no raiding. Yea?

Until loot has been distributed to everyone with no bragging rights for anyone. Then no one will want to raid.

[Castigate]

Until loot has been distributed to everyone with no bragging rights for anyone. Then no one will want to raid.

So like, a decade from now? :confused:

[Nietche]

You all realize what these new raid rules really mean, right?

Velious ain't coming out for a minute

[Llodd]

You all realize what these new raid rules really mean, right?

Velious ain't coming out for a minute

Good

[Nietche]

Good

Maybe good for you newbies. Not good for the server.

What you newbies fail to understand is that the hard cores of the server provide a net gain, not a net loss as you seem to think. If the leaders to be actually thought the server would be better off without its hardcores like TMO, for instance, then don't you think they'd just ban all the hardcores and let the casuals have their playground?

But, sadly, hardcores are going to need a Velious very soon.

[Spacebar]

Maybe good for you newbies. Not good for the server.

What you newbies fail to understand is that the hard cores of the server provide a net gain, not a net loss as you seem to think. If the leaders to be actually thought the server would be better off without its hardcores like TMO, for instance, then don't you think they'd just ban all the hardcores and let the casuals have their playground?

But, sadly, hardcores are going to need a Velious very soon.

I'm not arguing that hardcores provide a net loss, but I don't see any evidence in your argument that suggests they are a net gain either. Just because they aren't banned, doesn't mean that they are a gain for the server. If the staff just started banning people at a whim that they disagreed with, well, that would be bad for the server.

At least there will be less complaining from the casual camp for Velious.

[Reguiy]

Maybe good for you newbies. Not good for the server.

What you newbies fail to understand is that the hard cores of the server provide a net gain, not a net loss as you seem to think. If the leaders to be actually thought the server would be better off without its hardcores like TMO, for instance, then don't you think they'd just ban all the hardcores and let the casuals have their playground?

But, sadly, hardcores are going to need a Velious very soon.

Ya newbies. Put ya muthafuckin choppers up if ya feel dis! One guild bein cutthroat dickwadz n' takin 95% of tha loot n' pushin epic MQs fo' 500k a pop is phat fo' tha server n' shit. Thatz why tha GMs aint gonna ban 86 accounts n' raid ban dem guild. Cuz they aint fed up wit dat shiznit fo' realz. And while you at it git me a lemonade fo' realz. And oh ya, you mo' betta hope Velious comes straight-up soon or else us playas on tha 7th floor is gonna git real fed up wit dis server, n' trust me, itz mo' betta fo' tha server if our crazy asses horny. I'm out dis bitch. PCE!

P.S. - Ty Rogean for that Gizoogle link.

[Ele]

But, sadly, hardcores are going to need a Velious very soon.

They've managed for 3 years without so far.

[arsenalpow]

I really hate when ex bda now TMO members call themselves hardcores. Considering nearly every last one of them joined when things became extremely easy.

Yup

[Nuggie]

I really hate when ex bda now TMO members call themselves hardcores. Considering nearly every last one of them joined when things became extremely easy.

+1

Hardcore ended 1.5 years ago when zerg-fest became the winning strategy.

[Nivar Quartz]

Until loot has been distributed to everyone with no bragging rights for anyone. Then no one will want to raid.


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No pictures please move along lil necro...

[Gaffin 3.0]

bunch of faggot whining pussy bitches

[Rhambuk]

What you newbies fail to understand is that the hard cores of the server provide a net gain, not a net loss as you seem to think. If the leaders to be actually thought the server would be better off without its hardcores like TMO, for instance, then don't you think they'd just ban all the hardcores and let the casuals have their playground?


hardcores....


aaanyway, was hoping to see a decrease in variance but too soon to tell. I'm sure the entitled hardcores will fuck shit up and variance will stay just as strong as it is now. Good show good show.

[Orruar]

Until loot has been distributed to everyone with no bragging rights for anyone. Then no one will want to raid.

Do yourself a favor. Leave the house and don't come back for about a week. Live a little.

[Splorf22]

What you newbies fail to understand is that the hard cores of the server provide a net gain, not a net loss as you seem to think.

The idea that your willingness to batphone, track, and sit in EC with your PD robe on provides some sort of service to the community is one of the dumbest things ever written on these forums, and that's saying something.

[MaksimMazor]

Without that willingness you wouldn't have been able to buy our VP rots

[Rhambuk]

Without that willingness you wouldn't have been able to buy our VP rots

lol

[conniedmana]

There were only a handful of accounts that were used to perform the exploit, however, the exploiters have logged into 106 different accounts in total. Of these accounts, 86 of them are guilded in The Mystical Order. While most of these accounts are owned by other players who may have had no knowledge of the actions of the people they were sharing their accounts with, the account owners take that risk when they share their information.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah

[jaybone]

get ready!

to get banned.

show him the way

[Pint]

The idea that your willingness to batphone, track, and sit in EC with your PD robe on provides some sort of service to the community is one of the dumbest things ever written on these forums, and that's saying something.

I think that hardcore players dedicate significantly more time and effort on the server and keep the player count at a stable level, I'd also assume that the hardcore raiders contributed the lionshare of the bug/exploit/necessary tweaking assistance that the devs needed to help tailor this classic experience. I don't think it's a stretch at all to say hardcore players who spend 40 hours a week dedicated to p99 contribute more to the server than the majority of casuals who play sporadically. Also you obviously don't have to be in Tmo to be hardcore, I don't think he ever implied that he meant bat phoning, tracking and sitting in ec was some kind of net game for the server, your just exploiting an opportunity to get up on your soap box again. Also <3 you Loraen.

[Hitpoint]

Without that willingness you wouldn't have been able to buy our VP rots

lol

[Orruar]

Without that willingness you wouldn't have been able to buy our VP rots

Without your willingness to sit near your computer 24 hours a day, ready to log in and kill trivial dragons for pixels, the server would have never been able to kill VP dragons? Does that about sum up your argument? I suspect he would have preferred to kill dragons for VP loots rather than buy them from the biggest group of bottomdwellers this world has ever seen. But no, hey, I'm sure you're a stand up guy all around.

[Orruar]

To be fair though: If I lived in Memphis, I might not want to leave the house either.

[MaksimMazor]

It's not that bad if you're white

[Orruar]

I dunno. I've driven through that town dozens of times, and I've never had the urge to stop for any conceivable reason. Do you guys have pollution warnings and stuff from all the industry down by the river?

[Hailto]

Memphis has great bbq.

[radditsu]

The idea that your willingness to batphone, track, and sit in EC with your PD robe on provides some sort of service to the community is one of the dumbest things ever written on these forums, and that's saying something.

[radditsu]

Memphis is the worst.

Why do shit cities make good bbq?


Kansas City is the same.

[Orruar]

Memphis is the worst.

Why do shit cities make good bbq?


Kansas City is the same.

Well, to understand this, you have to understand where bbq came from. It started as a method to make the nastiest cuts of beef taste good. You really have to work to make cow asshole edible. Then once they applied that technique to the other better parts of the cow: voila, you have awesome bbq. So the cities with the best bbq traditions are the ones where they mostly had to eat cow asshole in the past.

[radditsu]

Oh you mean how pig anus can be used as fake calamari in asia?

[baalzy]

Well, to understand this, you have to understand where bbq came from. It started as a method to make the nastiest cuts of beef taste good. You really have to work to make cow asshole edible. Then once they applied that technique to the other better parts of the cow: voila, you have awesome bbq. So the cities with the best bbq traditions are the ones where they mostly had to eat cow asshole in the past.

I thought it was largely brisket (the chest meat of the cow) that was tough and not tasty that BBQ was 'invented' to make good.

[mgellan]

Until they figure out that all they have to do is start a new guild or use their old "feeder" guilds which will automatically be put into class R. A nice home for those alt armies. These kinds of people will find a way to get what they want. You can't force people to have manners, unfortunately. Once class R is diluted with a ton of guilds, most will want to move to class C anyways. Will be interesting to see how things play out, though. I can't complain, at least the staff are trying to give people more opportunities to experience the game.

Rogean runs one SQL query to see if any guilds have a large the same login IPs with toons also tagged in another guild, and both Guilds get disbanded and their leaders permabanned. At the very least permaban for the IP detected. That would be really stupid.

Regards,
Mg

[Orruar]

I thought it was largely brisket (the chest meat of the cow) that was tough and not tasty that BBQ was 'invented' to make good.

There is a slight chance I was using cow asshole as a hyperbole to illustrate the point.

[Nietche]

I really hate when ex bda now TMO members call themselves hardcores. Considering nearly every last one of them joined when things became extremely easy.

I never called myself a hardcore, Stealin. You had your day.

[Nietche]

The idea that your willingness to batphone, track, and sit in EC with your PD robe on provides some sort of service to the community is one of the dumbest things ever written on these forums, and that's saying something.

I haven't done any of these things in months.

[radditsu]

Mmm burnt ends

[arsenalpow]

Lol. Stealin just likes to see the world burn.

[radditsu]

Burn it down.

[Anichek]

If I want a day I take it, I don't wait for someone else to pioneer it and then slide in asking for their handouts just so I can brag about how awesome my group is that managed to reach the top without me.

Funny how some of those people tat made fun of TMO and not being able to break fear ( I was part of that TMO ) and then when they stand on top of the raid guild chart they suddenly change their tune when they put that application in for free loot.

Just so we are clear, I don't particularly like the old VD crew, but they at least tried to push their guild to the top and when they failed most joined another guild to try again. The people that split from BDA to form FE, even while they were TMO's "enemy", they at least tried to accomplish something on their own.

I don't see a more useless bunch than the people that left their guilds to join TMO after IB left the server and then turn around and get on these forums and try to talk like they accomplished something because they happened to pass a relaxed application process.

You may be a decent person, and I have no problems with you as a person, but coming on the forums talking down to others when you've only got ground to stand on because someone else allowed you to stand on it... it's just sad.

So keep talking about how these other guilds want "Free Loot" when it's people like you that have abandoned all your pride for it long before they did.

Quoteworthy

[Locust]

If I want a day I take it, I don't wait for someone else to pioneer it and then slide in asking for their handouts just so I can brag about how awesome my group is that managed to reach the top without me.

Funny how some of those people tat made fun of TMO and not being able to break fear ( I was part of that TMO ) and then when they stand on top of the raid guild chart they suddenly change their tune when they put that application in for free loot.

Just so we are clear, I don't particularly like the old VD crew, but they at least tried to push their guild to the top and when they failed most joined another guild to try again. The people that split from BDA to form FE, even while they were TMO's "enemy", they at least tried to accomplish something on their own.

I don't see a more useless bunch than the people that left their guilds to join TMO after IB left the server and then turn around and get on these forums and try to talk like they accomplished something because they happened to pass a relaxed application process.

You may be a decent person, and I have no problems with you as a person, but coming on the forums talking down to others when you've only got ground to stand on because someone else allowed you to stand on it... it's just sad.

So keep talking about how these other guilds want "Free Loot" when it's people like you that have abandoned all your pride for it long before they did.

i have the weirdest boner and it feels good

[slappytwotoes]

These people born on third base and go through life acting like they hit a triple

[conniedmana]

Autotune still talking after being caught and banned for cheating? You people must have a shit memory to quote that faggot.

[Heebo]

If I want a day I fire up macroquest and take it

[Barahir]

I thought it was largely brisket (the chest meat of the cow) that was tough and not tasty that BBQ was 'invented' to make good.

cheaper less desirable cuts of meat.

It's like chicken wings, back in the day nobody wanted them because there is so little meat. So people put a lot more effort into making them taste good and now bam everyone wants them