BDA Rant

[Redstars]

i don't get how you guys have the most players online at any given time and think it will be fair for you to compete against t2 guilds instead of TMO / FEIB. You can't swim in the big pond so want to just crush the fish tank?

Also every proposal thats somewhat legit and totally not fucked up with all the stipulations and shit thats going to make the raid scene totally fucked up ( as in who gets to kill what mob when, and they might be locked out but maybe they wont, and is it BDAs turn or is it a t1 guilds turn. ) anything that doesnt have that complete bullshit of a rotation in it you guys dont want.

You pretty much dont want any T1 guild to get a Trak/Ct/inny/ VS kill again because you feel like its your turn>? well step up to the plat. stop bitching about what you're not getting and raid??

Seems like this server is full of candy ass vaginas who maybe should have stayed playing WoW..

[anthony210]

I do not think you understand the purpose of the two tiers. What tier a guild is in has ZERO to due with how big the guild is or how capable they are of competing in T1.

T1 and T2, or C-class and R-class per Rogeans plan, is about 2 different playstyles. Just because a guild is large does not mean they want to play in a super competitive tier. Not to mention, R-class will probably have a rotation and its kinda hard to dominate the rotation. Especially since any guild is welcome to join said rotation and the raid targets are split up evenly among the guilds in the rotation.

Your entire rant makes zero sense. T1 guilds will actually get MORE targets now including Trak/VS/Inny due to the simulated repops. Are you really bad at math?

[Redstars]

if thats the case what was wrong with sirkens plan? it was a 66/33 right?
so t1 guilds would get 66% of mobs and BDA would get 33% of mobs but with the simulated respawns bda would have got 66% of 100% of mobs which has got to be more then they were getting before? amirite? so are you bad at math?

BTW these opinions are totally mine and arent the voice of my guild at all. i just feel that all this not raiding was bullshit lol. why not just tell t1 guilds they cant raid and let BDA rape content for a month or 2 so they could be the bad guys then lets go back to the drawing board


INSTEad they make it so no one can raid and t2 guilds still miss out on raid mobs. seens smart gj BDA

[hatelore]

<Pity reply>

[anthony210]

I don't even remember what Sirken's B plan was because it has been deleted from the raid forum.

However, I don't understand what the problem with Rogean's plan is. Hardcore raiders are actually getting MORE raid targets to compete over, and T2 guilds get some none VP mobs to play with how ever they want (either FFA within the tier or some kind of rotation). Each tier can do whatever they want to work out within their tier.

I could understand their argument if Rogean and Nilbog did not want to do the simulated respawns then it would be a lot less targets for the hardcore guilds, but in this case they have agreed to not only do 3-4 simulated respawns a month, but they also agreed that those respawns would not effect the normal respawn time. They also agreed to significantly reduce variance.

Its a win for everyone.

Also you keep saying 33% to BDA, theres like 10 guilds that would be in BDA's tier and just about every T2 guild has agreed to a rotation. This would mean BDA would be getting a LOT less than 33%. T2 as a whole will be getting 33%.

[Unidus]

That's 33% to many. Don't worry BDA and tier 2 will have 0% raid mobs. The thing that tier 1 doesn't understand is so will they.

[Kagatob]

Too

[YendorLootmonkey]

INSTEad they make it so no one can raid and t2 guilds still miss out on raid mobs. seens smart gj BDA

Pressure your guild leadership to go with the 1/1/1 plan then.

[Anichek]

if thats the case what was wrong with sirkens plan? it was a 66/33 right?
so t1 guilds would get 66% of mobs and BDA would get 33% of mobs but with the simulated respawns bda would have got 66% of 100% of mobs which has got to be more then they were getting before? amirite? so are you bad at math?

BTW these opinions are totally mine and arent the voice of my guild at all. i just feel that all this not raiding was bullshit lol. why not just tell t1 guilds they cant raid and let BDA rape content for a month or 2 so they could be the bad guys then lets go back to the drawing board


INSTEad they make it so no one can raid and t2 guilds still miss out on raid mobs. seens smart gj BDA

You are bad at math, and even more, your bad with facts and logic. You fail to recognize that BDA has NO desire to monopolize content. We're sitting at the table with the other Tier 2 / Class-R guilds, working with them all as equals and partners in this, and doing so very productively.

If you think that Chest and BDA are the driving forces in this entire scenario (as you obviously do), you're so far off kilter that it's not even worth the effort to bring you back on course.

Continue to villianize Chest and the rest of the BDA crew. It does nothing but help solidify the Tier 2/ Class-R guilds who have been actively involved as a round table, a team, a group of colleagues with a united vision and goal.

[Redstars]

actually my math is spot on, my wording isnt,. 66% of 100% of normal spawns that you can obtain

[Redstars]

I cant wait until they open raiding back up, to see how well the rotaion works for you gents

[uygi]

You are bad at math, and even more, your bad with facts and logic.

You're bad at grammar!

[Redstars]

So you guys know i raided for like 2 weeks and the raid scene is hella gay on p99 but thats how it was on many of the live servers also. But i havent seen people be such bitches like this chest guy playing the white knight when BDA wrecks people irl

[anthony210]

We dont feel its fair that equal access is granted to a group of people who have no intention or desire to put in equal effort with other people. We understand that they need to have SOME access, however, and we have moved GREATLY in the direction of their demands in regard to what they have access to in relation to our previous positions.

So you guys are only blocking because you don't want casual guilds to be able to farm the same pixels as you.... Unbelievable, over 15 year old content.

[Dr. Edge]

http://chud.com/nextraimages/sept1south6.jpg

Hardcore

[Pullyn]

So you guys know i raided for like 2 weeks and the raid scene is hella gay on p99 but thats how it was on many of the live servers also. But i havent seen people be such bitches like this chest guy playing the white knight when BDA wrecks people irl

This might be the most retarded thing I've read in a while. The raid scene is hella gay because you play a mage lol. Reroll a more useful class IMO. Also if not raiding is wrecking your life you probably didnt have much of one to begin with.

[Pan]

INSTEad they make it so no one can raid and t2 guilds still miss out on raid mobs. seens smart gj BDA

BDA has backed several plans throughout these talks. To call them intransigent is absolutely disingenuous. Why not go after the geniuses who keep introducing NEW plans at the 11th hour? Repeatedly.

Normally, propaganda has a smidgen of truth to make it believable...you got the "if the lie is big enough...or repeated often enough..." part down pat, though, so kudos on that front.

[Redstars]

i dont mean the raid scene as far as what class i play lol. i mean the actual raid scene, IE killing mobs in literally 3 seconds of them popping lol. And yeah my opinion on this game is clearly a direct association with my RL >< FUCK MY LIFE.

[kotton05]

It's never going to end

[Hitpoint]

FE's most recent raid proposal.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134861

Nice parts for T2 - (50/50 trak, guaranteed at least 2 of every single mob in the game outside VP, no restrictions from competing with T1, may simply ask for VP dragons and can engage unhindered.)

Trakanon

• Trakanon will be rotated between Class C and Class R on every spawn. Each class can handle this as they choose. If they do not come to an inter-tier agreement, then Trakanon will be FFA within each tier.

Hoshkar and Nexona

• Any Class R guild may, with a 24 hour notice, announce that they wish to attempt either Hoshkar or Nexona. When a Class R guild puts in for an attempt at Hoshkar or Nexona, no Class C guild may engage either Hoshkar or Nexona for six hours after either spawns. If the Class R guild kills Hoshkar or Nexona unassisted, it moves to Class C.


Simulated Respawns

For the first simulated two simulated respawns that occurs every month, only Class R guilds may engage raid mobs outside of Veeshans Peak for six hours. Any further simulated respawns are FFA. This is conditional on the staff willing to provide atleast two simulated respawns every month and the these respawns not affecting the normal spawn timers of raid targets.

Go ahead and read the responses by T2 guilds who clearnly haven't read the plan.

This one is my favorite, courtesy of lostprophets.

hardly see you guys "giving" us your not wanted/needed mobs as any compromise. you've basically laid the same thing down on the table as in every proposal you give...whilst twisting a few words around to be current with other proposals. I fail to see how putting a choke hold on CT/VS/Inny/Trak is a compromise. They're the biggest bottlenecks in game when it comes to epics.

Originally we, the "Casual Scum" wanted to 50/50 split the mobs with you guys that's what...a 9 to 3 guild spread approx? possibly 8 to 4 if you put Dolajabob on your side for FFA competition. I'd say that's one heck of a compromise on 8-9 guilds behalf opposed to your 3-4 guilds. However, you don't want 50/50...so we renegotiated and you still don't like that. Whatever way you look at it...that's about two thirds of the raiding guilds on the server in these discussions that don't want to be cut-throat...leaving one third of them wanting to be cut-throat.

You say you want a change in the raid scene but with your proposals, nothing will be different. With every single one of your proposals, TMO/FE/IB will still dominate the biggest bottleneck mobs for epics and let the scraps that you don't want/care for slip through...no thank you. I don't know what else to tell you here.

And in case anyone missed it the first time:

For the first simulated two simulated respawns that occurs every month, only Class R guilds may engage raid mobs outside of Veeshans Peak for six hours. Any further simulated respawns are FFA. This is conditional on the staff willing to provide atleast two simulated respawns every month and the these respawns not affecting the normal spawn timers of raid targets.

[Elements]

if thats the case what was wrong with sirkens plan? it was a 66/33 right?
so t1 guilds would get 66% of mobs and BDA would get 33% of mobs but with the simulated respawns bda would have got 66% of 100% of mobs which has got to be more then they were getting before? amirite? so are you bad at math?

BTW these opinions are totally mine and arent the voice of my guild at all. i just feel that all this not raiding was bullshit lol. why not just tell t1 guilds they cant raid and let BDA rape content for a month or 2 so they could be the bad guys then lets go back to the drawing board


INSTEad they make it so no one can raid and t2 guilds still miss out on raid mobs. seens smart gj BDA

These 33/66 numbers that people keep spewing are absolutely false within the current plan unless tier 2 agrees to leave all ffa to tier 1. Taken has proven they can lock inny 100% of the time under normal conditions and if that is to continue for example inny alone would be 33% + 1/4*33% to taken. Im not saying this is a bad thing it in fact promotes competition but stop making up bullshit numbers where c class guilds get 66% of spawns where in fact half of those are not protected and other guilds will likely be dipping into those as well.

[Pan]

Well, Hitpoint, we could whittle away at that one for a bit and come up with something that nearly everyone agrees on...again...only to have ANOTHER knucklehead introduce something just prior to ratification.

At some point we're all going to realize that we're guests here - and that's happened sooner for some than others. And pay attention to what's being said by those who are really holding the cards. The hubris exhibited in these talks and in the meta-conversations just astounds me.

But keep flogging that eleventh-hour, war-of-attrition pony. If you don't see one of several incremental, inevitable outcomes, you're senseless in every sense of the word.

[Hitpoint]

As far as I can tell, T1 guilds are just doing now what T2 guilds have done for the past two weeks. Not caving to the other side.

And I don't know why you think this is the 11th hour, or that 1/1/1 was close to ratification. There has been zero indication of T1 supporting it thus far. So it's basically no closer to ratification than any number of proposals which have been rejected so far.

[YendorLootmonkey]

The negotiations for the "casuals" have been about separating the playstyles so that the "hardcores" can no longer interfere with how they want to play the game and deny them pixels (at least non-VP). Our proposition is that if you want hardcore competition, go compete with like-minded guilds... leave the rest of the server alone. Wake up at 0300 for those dragons. Get the same shiny things you have been getting via the same processes.

Except now there might be a NEW set of shiny things via less variance and simulated patch re-pops.

And they CAN'T STAND the fact they can't have access to that. To the point where they keep trying to take their "priority mobs" of CT/Inny/VS/Trak off the table from sharing. You see, they have too many mouths to feed at this point. Nevermind the fact the rest of the server has been starving for the last 2.5 years because of the extreme barrier to entry they have placed on the raid scene.

Somehow THEIR mouths are more important, more hungry, and more entitled than the rest of the server because of their self-chosen playstyle.

Thus, the negotiations for the "hardcores" have been about ensuring they get a bigger piece of the pie because their chosen playstyle takes "more time and effort", thus denying pixels to those they deem not worthy. Because in order for them to enjoy their shiny things, other players must have less shiny things. In order for them to justify all the hours they spent poopsocking/tracking, all that suddenly seems ridiculous when other people don't have to put in that extreme amount of effort into getting the same shiny things. Not to mention, if more shiny things enter the market, the less their shiny things are worth. How can they sell epic MQs and Kunark BP/legs if other guilds have a reasonable shot at getting them?

This is so important to them, that they actually suggested withholding loot camps from being fair game during this raid suspension to even further hold the server hostage until they get their shiny pixels back. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1266451&postcount=8) I have a sneaking suspicion there's some rent to pay! The stakes just seem way too high here for mature adults that just view this as a nostalgic hobby.

And just when they let it slip that no matter how the mobs are sliced, the hardcore minority should be entitled to more of the shiny things than anyone else, completely oblivious to the fact that the reason no one has "stepped up to take things from them" is because many of us don't want to play like sociopaths -- they put a negative spin on those who insist on making sure they aren't allowed to do that. So Chest becomes the villain. BDA becomes the shitheads of the server. Suddenly we're holding the server hostage because the hardcore cannot let go of the premise of "Nevermind we are getting the same amount as before... there are more shiny things to be had in the 1/1/1 proposal and we deserve them over the casuals."

Sure, they'll disguise it as "effort = reward", but their effort = reward is fighting among the other hardcore like-minded guilds for their shiny things. More effort = lock out your opponents in Tier C or Tier 1. Have at it. Go to town with it! You will be rewarded by your efforts in competing against your Tier C/1 opponents. That is your competition. That is your effort vs. reward. It is isolated from the casual piece of the pie so you never again deny the majority of the server from enjoying it.

If this were truly about competition and effort=reward, then they should be more worried about dominating the other guild in Tier C/1 and getting 100% of the shiny things, than worried about what section of the "casual pie" they can negotiate away from them.


But they don't like how that will work out, because one hardcore guild in Tier C/1 will become the have-nots, while Tier R/2 will reap the benefits of playing nice, working together, and sharing their piece of the pie. The hardcores can't have that. Under hardcore competition, one guild is afraid of completely being locked out of shiny things and having their asses handed to them. This is why proposals that separate the hardcore from the casual playstyles and keep them from interfering with each other keep getting "adjusted" to add "priority mobs", or limit the casuals in some way. (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1269602&postcount=1)

So keep ranting against BDA all you want... it doesn't change what's really going on here and who is really holding the server hostage because they cannot let go of greed.

[Anichek]

You're bad at grammar!

Mobile posting is the WORST!

Thanks for the correction, Myu!

[arsenalpow]

blah blah blah

TLDR, nerd, bad, mad, sad, fat, etc















That was really long though

[Elements]

The problem is that the value of the reward is greatly diminished when it can be achieved by just signing up for a rotation. Why are real life collectobles valuable? Generally because they are rare and hard to obtain. Taking away the hard to obtain and rareness diminishes the value of the reward in this case.

[arsenalpow]

The problem is that the value of the reward is greatly diminished when it can be achieved by just signing up for a rotation. Why are real life collectobles valuable? Generally because they are rare and hard to obtain. Taking away the hard to obtain and rareness diminishes the value of the reward in this case.

Oh no, your special pixels will be diminished

[Hitpoint]

The negotiations for the "casuals" have been about separating the playstyles so that the "hardcores" can no longer interfere with how they want to play the game and deny them pixels (at least non-VP). Our proposition is that if you want hardcore competition, go compete with like-minded guilds... leave the rest of the server alone. Wake up at 0300 for those dragons. Get the same shiny things you have been getting via the same processes.

Except now there might be a NEW set of shiny things via less variance and simulated patch re-pops.

And they CAN'T STAND the fact they can't have access to that. To the point where they keep trying to take their "priority mobs" of CT/Inny/VS/Trak off the table from sharing.

This is where I stopped reading. The new FE plan gives you half of all trakanons and at least two of every other spawn per month.

I assume the rest of your post is some retarded shit about playstyle, how hardcore raiding is nothing but constant intentional training, and we're all God's children so who are we to say T1 is more deserving of anything. Probably something in there too about how FE has been dominating this server for at least 20 years, have sold so much raid loot, and we deserve to be lumped with TMO for every comparison. I've read enough of your garbage posts to just read until I know you haven't even read the new plan, and then predict the rest of your massive post. This is fucking rnf btw, that shit is too long.

[Kagatob]

TLDR, nerd, bad, mad, sad, fat, etc















That was really long though

Hope you realize he was defending the shit out of your dumb ass.

[arsenalpow]

Hope you realize he was defending the shit out of your dumb ass.

Thatsthejoke.jpg

[Unidus]

This line from Rogean just makes you T1 guilds look like brats.

"Frankly I think this should be suitable for T1 as well, since with repops added you are getting similar amounts of mobs as before."

So most likely you get the same amount of mobs and loot as before. You still get to raid as much as before without having to poop in a sock as much. Why you wouldn't agree to this is mind boggling. You lose pretty much nothing and the rest of the server gains some raid bosses.

[Kagatob]

The problem is that the value of the reward is greatly diminished when it can be achieved by just signing up for a rotation. Why are real life collectobles valuable? Generally because they are rare and hard to obtain. Taking away the hard to obtain and rareness diminishes the value of the reward in this case.

Yeah signing up for the rotation and being one of the 8 or 9 guilds dividing the tier 2 stuff it's so much better odds than the one two split in tier one. Math pro right here.

[YendorLootmonkey]

This line from Rogean just makes you T1 guilds look like brats.

"Frankly I think this should be suitable for T1 as well, since with repops added you are getting similar amounts of mobs as before."

So most likely you get the same amount of mobs and loot as before. You still get to raid as much as before without having to poop in a sock as much. Why you wouldn't agree to this is mind boggling. You lose pretty much nothing and the rest of the server gains some raid bosses.

Because their shiny pixels lose value if everyone else gets shiny pixels. This is the fundamental issue driving their herpderp. And that's just sad.

[odiecat99]

BDA is alright..

Chest is a dumb cunt that curses, yells, and is generally a douchebag in vent when they wipe on raids.

Look pals, I don't give two fucks about the raiding scene currently....

My proposal= go back to the way it was, "t2" guilds learn how to mobilize and track mobs.

problem solved.


Btw I seem to recall before the raid suspension that the "t2" guilds were going big things..

Can't you neckbeard hipsters just fucking get along and compete.

[Elements]

Oh no, your special pixels will be diminished

The value of the rewards in this case are going to be diminished to some capacity to accomodate everyone but the further we travel down this slippery sloap the closer we get to bringing full kunark gear in line with full planar. I dont have any of these shiny pixels myself but it reduces the desire to collect rare pixels when they arent rare any more.

[Elements]

Yeah signing up for the rotation and being one of the 8 or 9 guilds dividing the tier 2 stuff it's so much better odds than the one two split in tier one. Math pro right here.

I fail to see where tiers are fixed?

[arsenalpow]

I fail to see where tiers are fixed?

The tiers reflect guilds that want to compete in VP and those who don't/can't which is a delineation in playstyle as well. Class C is full on FFA, and Class R isn't.

[Unidus]

The problem is that the value of the reward is greatly diminished when it can be achieved by just signing up for a rotation. Why are real life collectobles valuable? Generally because they are rare and hard to obtain. Taking away the hard to obtain and rareness diminishes the value of the reward in this case.

"Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, currently in the Kunark expansion and a max level of 60, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be. Project 1999 is the best and most popular classic Everquest experience."

Emulated server not original which makes all in game pixels pretty much Picasso reproductions which we all know IRL aren't worth crap compared to the originals.

[odiecat99]

"Relive the classic Everquest MMORPG Gaming Experience as it was in 1999 and onward. Project 1999 is a free to play Emulated Everquest Server giving Players the opportunity to experience Classic EQ Once again, currently in the Kunark expansion and a max level of 60, with the look and feel of the old interface and several modifications making game mechanics similar to how the game used to be. Project 1999 is the best and most popular classic Everquest experience."

Emulated server not original which makes all in game pixels pretty much Picasso reproductions which we all know IRL aren't worth crap compared to the originals.

RMT? In-game pixels were never supposed to be sold for RL currency

btw tldr I just skimmed

[YendorLootmonkey]

This is where I stopped reading. The new FE plan gives you half of all trakanons and at least two of every other spawn per month.

What was wrong with Rogean's initial plan?

Oh, I see, first comments of rejection:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1267664&postcount=26

1. Trak, Inny, VS, CT are top tier mobs; inside Veeshans Peak Hoshkar, Phara Dar and Druushk are top tier mobs. The basis of this definition is not necessarily difficulty, but desirability. These are the mobs that the most competitive people want to kill because of the quality of their loot; these are the mobs that people look for when they are joining a raiding guild as opposed to a family or casual guild and/or moving from family or casual guilds to raiding guilds.

Taking Trak/Inny/VS/CT off the table. Their loots are too shiny for casuals.

Never mind the fact in true competition, if you were in fact the winning competitor, you clean up in VP every time a dragon spawns, you get the raid targets on the C rotation, plus most of the FFA spawns because, after all, you are highly competitive and a mere casual guild shouldn't be able to beat you to the spawn/kill.

Why is this not good enough to the point you continue to hold the server hostage because you think you need more Trak/VS/Inny/CT? You get VP as your personal playground against TMO. Competiton the way you want it. Reward defined by effort. You also have two chances out of three to COMPETE against non-VP mobs, while the remaining one chance gets divvied up by like 6-7 guilds. Surely they won't beat the hardcore competitors on the FFA cycle!

[Elements]

The tiers reflect guilds that want to compete in VP and those who don't/can't which is a delineation in playstyle as well. Class C is full on FFA, and Class R isn't.

Which is why these psuedo number analyses are bullshit when they dont consider things like future number of guilds in each tier and who is actually interested in competing for ffa mobs.

I personally dont think the plan as a whole is all that bad but the bull shit number analysis needs to stop. This is not a 33/66 proposal.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Also, while we're at it, lets make all dragon/god loot NO DROP/NO TRADE to ensure it can never be sold or potentially RMT'd. Lets see how many hardcore jimmies that would rustle. ;)

[baramur]

[QUOTE=arsenalpow;1270193]The tiers reflect guilds that want to compete in VP and those who don't/can't which is a delineation in playstyle as well. Class C is full on FFA, and Class R isn't.[/QUOTE

Why isn't BDA starting in Class-C, after all Rogean did point out that a VP kill would make a guild class-C. How many VP kills does BDA have? Odd you call out FE on their VP kills, but yet you fail to mention yours. Why would BDA not be Tier 1 to start? Just because of your raid style? Hypocrit.

[Unidus]

RMT? In-game pixels were never supposed to be sold for RL currency

btw tldr I just skimmed

No I am saying that pixels on this server aren't shit compared to live pixels. There are 500 rogues with epics under level 50. That is proof enough how meaningless pixels are on this server.

[Elements]

Also, while we're at it, lets make all dragon/god loot NO DROP/NO TRADE to ensure it can never be sold or potentially RMT'd. Lets see how many hardcore jimmies that would rustle. ;)

Id be all for this. Id much rather the shiny's i carry represent the work and effort ive put in rather than potential rmt or plat farm. Dont see why everything in this game is not no drop other than to preserve the EC nostalgia.

[arsenalpow]

[QUOTE=arsenalpow;1270193]The tiers reflect guilds that want to compete in VP and those who don't/can't which is a delineation in playstyle as well. Class C is full on FFA, and Class R isn't.[/QUOTE

Why isn't BDA starting in Class-C, after all Rogean did point out that a VP kill would make a guild class-C. How many VP kills does BDA have? Odd you call out FE on their VP kills, but yet you fail to mention yours. Why would BDA not be Tier 1 to start? Just because of your raid style? Hypocrit.

BDA has only engaged VP dragons during suspensions of TMO. BDA has zero solo kills of VP dragons. Our kills consisted of all players on the server available during the TMO suspension. We wanted to attempt a solo VP kill but IB got upset so we scrapped it.

[Elements]

[QUOTE=baramur;1270205]

BDA has only engaged VP dragons during suspensions of TMO. BDA has zero solo kills of VP dragons. Our kills consisted of all players on the server available during the TMO suspension. We wanted to attempt a solo VP kill but IB got upset so we scrapped it.

Has FE ever achieved a solo vp kill? Or IB in the last year+?

[Hitpoint]

What was wrong with Rogean's initial plan?

Oh, I see, first comments of rejection:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1267664&postcount=26


I don't mind the plan with a few very small changes. This is COMPLETELY my own opinion and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of the rest of T1. 1: The pnp must be defined, clearly (define leapfrogging for instance). And then amended to be reasonable. 2: there must be a reasonable time limit what guilds have to kill a mob before it becomes FFA. 3: Something should change about the way respawns are handled, I don't like the bag limit being set at 2, and/or that repops mobs are still subject to the rotation.

Taking Trak/Inny/VS/CT off the table. Their loots are too shiny for casuals.

You can see Sloan's where he makes extremely generous concessions. We're obviously not trying to lock casuals out of these t1 mobs. I'd like to know why this plan has been immediately rejected. And why the people who rejected it are posting about us not allowing them to have T1 mobs, even though the proposal gives away many of them each month. Seems they have said "no" without reading it at all. Are these the people who we're entrusting to make the server a better place?

[Hitpoint]

[QUOTE=arsenalpow;1270215]

Has FE ever achieved a solo vp kill? Or IB in the last year+?

Yes.

[arsenalpow]

Yes.

No trolling, but aside from that very first Xygoz kill which I believe was 100% FE and that KS group kill, I thought FE/IB operated together in VP.

[Hitpoint]

Also, while we're at it, lets make all dragon/god loot NO DROP/NO TRADE to ensure it can never be sold or potentially RMT'd. Lets see how many hardcore jimmies that would rustle. ;)

Probably none at all. I'd much prefer that, also my biggest pipedream for the server is for epic MQs to go away.

[Hitpoint]

No trolling, but aside from that very first Xygoz kill which I believe was 100% FE and that KS group kill, I thought FE/IB operated together in VP.

First Druushk was 100% FE. It was many months ago.

[arsenalpow]

There was that Xygoz kill like a year ago, and that druushk KS a few months ago was 100% FE? Is that what you're saying? I'm just trying to clarify, totally not trolling.

[Hitpoint]

There was that Xygoz kill like a year ago, and that druushk KS a few months ago was 100% FE? Is that what you're saying? I'm just trying to clarify, totally not trolling.

We didn't kill xygoz until recently. That first VP kill for us was Druushk, the recent KS was also Druushk. When we started trying in VP again recently it went SW, Druushk (KS), and then PD. I don't know what the ratio of FE/IB was on these three mobs to be honest.

[arsenalpow]

No, FE definitely killed Xygoz very early in their history. That was the first VP kill. The. It was a dry spell for many many months.

[arsenalpow]

No, FE definitely killed Xygoz very early in their history. That was the first VP kill. The. It was a dry spell for many many months.

Maybe it was druushk. It was like 10-11 months ago.

[Hitpoint]

No, FE definitely killed Xygoz very early in their history. That was the first VP kill. The. It was a dry spell for many many months.

Yea that was Druusk, not xygoz. It happened in like april or march. There were a lot of close kills back then, single digit wipes and stuff. Trains were a big problem obviously. Then there was a long dry spell where we stayed out of VP until just a little while ago.

[baramur]

FE killed Siverwing really early not xygoz

[baramur]

Was like october of 2012 when guild first formed. The first real batphone kill was
March 19, 2013 and was Druushk.

[radditsu]

The xygoz kill I was on was only during tmo suspension.

[odiecat99]

Probably none at all. I'd much prefer that, also my biggest pipedream for the server is for epic MQs to go away.

this is +100

[odiecat99]

No I am saying that pixels on this server aren't shit compared to live pixels. There are 500 rogues with epics under level 50. That is proof enough how meaningless pixels are on this server.

MQs bro.

[odiecat99]

I do agree with you, nobody gives a fuck if a iksar monk has epic at lvl 10 because there's 1000 others that do..

I get your point.

MQ's should be removed completely.
Hell even jboots wouldn't be camped to high hell if there was no mqs.

Instead we got these pickle sniffers perma camping epic mobs just to sell the MQ's.

I'm not saying MQ's are classic or not (I don't remember TBO), but they generally only help the rich get richer, and the people trying to "relive the classic experience" get shit on.

sorry but I don't have a million pp to buy my mage epic..I'd rather do it my self with the help of some cool cats anyways.

[odiecat99]

http://www.chan4chan.org/img/dumb+ass+sand+******s+are+terrorist.jpg

this thread

[radditsu]

Qqqqqqquadpost.

[odiecat99]

Hooked on Phonics works. ^this guy.

[radditsu]

^gay

[odiecat99]

this is for you Radd
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llt05aWSCH1qipc88o1_500.jpg
suck it.

[radditsu]

Wtf is that.

[odiecat99]

I have no idea.. looked weird

[odiecat99]

<3 maybe some guy with a wart under his arm, skimmed it when I googled 'fat ass fuck gifs'

Totally not what I was looking for...
Have a wonderful evening

[kotton05]

BDA can't negotiate (doesn't look like anyone but ateam,fe,tmo can really) , they just have irrational arguments and say Sloan is trolling, what ever respect I had for any of the officers is down the drain, you'll forever be known as those who never had.

[odiecat99]

BDA can't negotiate (doesn't look like anyone but ateam,fe,tmo can really) , they just have irrational arguments and say Sloan is trolling, what ever respect I had for any of the officers is down the drain, you'll forever be known as those who never had.

+1 as always Merrrkkkle

[Doub]

OP has been 60 for like two weeks he needs to shut up plus hes a mage

[Doub]

its not competition you guys want, its sacrifice. stop being losers

[Doors]

So much bullshit and crying. Staff are tired of the putrid raid scene and shitshow on the forums. Things are going to change whether the elite 2.5% like it or not.

Same small percentage of people have been monopolizing content and cock blocking everyone for 3 years. Getting to a computer to down trakanon at 9am on a Tuesday isn't competitive, it means your schedule is more flexible. Variance sucks.

Even now TMO and to a lesser extent FE are cock blocking raid content via negotiations. By any means necessary.

What's even funnier are the "hardcore" arguments that can be countered in literally two sentences. If they wanted competitive they would play on the pvp server. And loot isn't being handed out because T2 guilds still need to slay the dragon to get pixels. Argument over time for change.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C8FIIQ2dEK0/SM8o2nrcNpI/AAAAAAAAAgE/SW32BCctpVQ/s400/barack-obama-change-we-need-small.jpg

[Locust]

So much bullshit and crying. Staff are tired of the putrid raid scene and shitshow on the forums. Things are going to change whether the elite 2.5% like it or not.

Same small percentage of people have been monopolizing content and cock blocking everyone for 3 years. Getting to a computer to down trakanon at 9am on a Tuesday isn't competitive, it means your schedule is more flexible. Variance sucks.

Even now TMO and to a lesser extent FE are cock blocking raid content via negotiations. By any means necessary.

What's even funnier are the "hardcore" arguments that can be countered in literally two sentences. If they wanted competitive they would play on the pvp server. And loot isn't being handed out because T2 guilds still need to slay the dragon to get pixels. Argument over time for change.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_C8FIIQ2dEK0/SM8o2nrcNpI/AAAAAAAAAgE/SW32BCctpVQ/s400/barack-obama-change-we-need-small.jpg

loot only matters if i have to sacrifice my virginity to get it

[Doors]

I see you trollin bro.

[Hitpoint]

BDA refused to rotate royals with us tonight. Confirmed.

[Daldolma]

hope they never repop raid mobs, y'all need jesus

[Redstars]

[QUOTE=Hitpoint;1270629]BDA refused to rotate royals with us tonight. Confirmed.[/QUOTE


that really chaps my ass!

[Geofizzle]

Argument over time for change.
/

Hi, I also enjoy dictating my opinions to others and treating those with different opinions as children. Can we be friends?

Also, how can you blame people for trying to stop people like you from shitting on p99 and it's super fun raid scene? I'm sorry you couldn't hang when you played -- but you must be one of the 100s of BDAs apparently returning for their free loot. WB!

[Doors]

Hang as in I didn't have unlimited time to sit on raid spawns or track. The majority of the server would agree there was nothing fun about it.

Free loot comment is idiotic. Dragons don't kill themselves dog.

[Hitpoint]

Hang as in I didn't have unlimited time to sit on raid spawns or track. The majority of the server would agree there was nothing fun about it.

Free loot comment is idiotic. Dragons don't kill themselves dog.

They almost do though.

[Kagatob]

Hi, I also enjoy dictating my opinions to others and treating those with different opinions as children. Can we be frieds?

Also, how can you blame people for trying to stop people like you from shitting on p99 and it's super fun raid scene? I'm sorry you couldn't hang when you played -- but you must be one of the 100s of BDAs apparently returning for their free loot. WB!

Yea we get it. You are single, have no friends, are jobless, live in your parent's basement, and have zero prospects for the future. EverQuest is all you have.

[Tasslehofp99]

I want someone to explain to me why BDA is tier R and not tier C.


They have killed dragons in VP.

They have killed plenty of raid targets.

They are almost the biggest guild, if not the biggest.



Also, why is FE bunched in with TMO?

We have never seen an earth staff drop, never sold uber rare epic pieces.
We haven't farmed raid content/VP at the level TMO has over the last 2+ years.


Until people realize that trying to strong arm FE into giving up mobs their members still need to kill for progression I don't see these negotiations being very fair.

To say that innoruuk or CT should be off the table for FE for a good portion of the month when we have only killed each a handful of times is absurd. I bet if you counted the amount of inny kills BDA has its probably not very far from what FE has.

All this hypocrisy is holding up these so called raid discussions.

[odiecat99]

So, you're jealous that BDA is in the R category and FE isn't?

With all due respect, nobody is jealous of BDA. Hell, Taken is better than BDA as a whole. Far fewer members than BDA, and they actually want to compete for pixels instead of them being handed down due to carebear rotations ect.

[Tasslehofp99]

So, you're jealous that BDA is in the R category and FE isn't?

No I just don't get why they are class r. They have killed everything FE has and they have an immense roster.

Its just hypocritical to lump FE in with TMO when BDA and FE are not that far from eachother.

If you compare TMO to any other guild on p99 you're already starting off with a very skewed point of view. No guild has farmed this server like they did, so why is any other guild being lumped in with them?

If anything class C should be fe/IB/bda, and TMO should be in a class of their own.

[Tasslehofp99]

No I just don't get why they are class r. They have killed everything FE has and they have an immense roster.

Its just hypocritical to lump FE in with TMO when BDA and FE are not that far from eachother.

If you compare TMO to any other guild on p99 you're already starting off with a very skewed point of view. No guild has farmed this server like they did, so why is any other guild being lumped in with them?

If anything class C should be fe/IB/bda, and TMO should be in a class of their own.

I'm more trying to show that BDA should be classed with FE/IB if anything because at a competitive level they are not that different. Since these proposals include free repops, I'm mainly referring to the limitations placed on regular spawns.

TMO should probably just be in class W, or Waiting class. They will keep to VP till velious since essentially the server has been surviving off of their scraps for 2+ years they can WAIT till velious if they want more epic items to sell for plat.

[Jfertal]

With all due respect, nobody is jealous of BDA. Hell, Taken is better than BDA as a whole. Far fewer members than BDA, and they actually want to compete for pixels instead of them being handed down due to carebear rotations ect.

They are just as bad as anyone else, sitting on VS spawn point for days(under the suspension)as well as socking inny for days, fucking sweet competition bro.That is just fielding nerds to the "battlefield"

You are all pathetic faggots.

[Tasslehofp99]

Except BDA would rather rotate with the other Rotate guilds. So you're trying to force a guild into a play style they don't want to participate in.

We both know that putting BDA with FE/IB/TMO just means they won't get jack shit. However, leaving them with where staff has already put them means they don't have to work very hard to get those dragon pixels (whenever their slot rolls around on that 1/3 share spread across 6+ guilds).

I still fail to see a legitimate reason to be upset and I'm about as hardcore of a raider as there has been on p99.

Fuck it, I really am not upset about BDA trying to get loot without effort/competition...as lame as that is.

More pissed that after TMO farmed p99 uncontested(also selling a lot of the loot for plat) for over 2 years, FE who hasn't killed 1/100th of the mobs TMO has or sold any epics is having the same limitations placed on them.

Seems unfair to me I guess that we have limitations placed on us for being the only guild willing to TRY and compete avainst TMO under the old system.

[Swifty]

well step up to the plat. stop bitching about what you're not getting and raid?

Inshallah!

[radditsu]

Arguing over dum things. Then idiot trolls come flame it more..

[Rhambuk]

Arguing over dum things. Then idiot trolls come flame it more..

first time in rnf?

[Sadad]

Fuck it, I really am not upset about BDA trying to get loot without effort/competition...as lame as that is.

More pissed that after TMO farmed p99 uncontested(also selling a lot of the loot for plat) for over 2 years, FE who hasn't killed 1/100th of the mobs TMO has or sold any epics is having the same limitations placed on them.

Seems unfair to me I guess that we have limitations placed on us for being the only guild willing to TRY and compete avainst TMO under the old system.

Because Class C is determined by ability to kill in VP. We engaged Druushk in nearly optimal conditions and got him to 60%. We need a lot more keys before we can compete in there effectively and probably another 3 trak kills before we could kill pd in a vacuum. Unfortunately, half of the toons we keyed are now tagged FE/IB. So, no, we shouldn't start out class C. We may very well move to Class C, but we aren't there right now.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Well, I wouldn't say Class C is determined by "ability to kill in VP".

The hardcore are trying to separate guilds into Class C and R by "perceived potential". The only reason they would want a third entity in "competition" with them in Class C is not because they want one more guild to compete against and potentially lose pixels to. It's because BDA has demonstrated in the past that they are unwilling to conform to the hardcore playstyle, thus they will not be competitive in Class C, thus they will lose out on mobs when they are "Class C" and lose out on mobs when they are "Class FFA", and they wouldn't be able to touch "Class R" mobs due to the design of the 1/1/1 plan. Effectively putting BDA out of the raid scene. Which is exactly what TMO/FE/IB want. How much of a victory would it be to make the largest guild on the server a complete non-factor and limit their intake of pixels?

Again, this all goes back to the minority wanting to deny pixels to others.

The casuals, on the other hand, are trying to separate guilds into Class C and R by "preferred playstyle". The whole reason we are all raid suspended at this point is because of guilds trying to force other guilds into a particular playstyle. And here we are again, trying to stick a guild into Class C that does not want to play the way the other Class C guilds have demonstrated they want to play.

Interestingly enough, the Lord Bob guild WANTS to play the Class C way but knows it is in a much better position to stay Class R based on their "perceived potential", yet forcing their Class C style of play onto the Class Rs, going back to the entire reason we're in this situation now.

It is this fundamental disagreement of how the two classes of guilds are divided that is counterproductive to negotiations.

[kotton05]

They are just as bad as anyone else, sitting on VS spawn point for days(under the suspension)as well as socking inny for days, fucking sweet competition bro.That is just fielding nerds to the "battlefield"

You are all pathetic faggots.

So are you, BAD was tracking and batphoning mobs before this shitt went down, only reason BDA didn't compete is that they sucked at losing mobs and it would kill their guild, they're def a class C guild

[kotton05]

Because Class C is determined by ability to kill in VP. We engaged Druushk in nearly optimal conditions and got him to 60%. We need a lot more keys before we can compete in there effectively and probably another 3 trak kills before we could kill pd in a vacuum. Unfortunately, half of the toons we keyed are now tagged FE/IB. So, no, we shouldn't start out class C. We may very well move to Class C, but we aren't there right now.

You bat phoned talendor and kill gor/vox clearly class C, was also tracking hate/fear.. I've seen TMO wipe to druushk with retarded numbers... So your example is full retard

[HeallunRumblebelly]

FE should just downgrade itself to Class R, clearly jealous of not being there where BDA is.

Concede vp, take literally everything in class R because they won't allow an agreement to be reached within the tier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

[Nlaar]

You bat phoned talendor and kill gor/vox clearly class C, was also tracking hate/fear.. I've seen TMO wipe to druushk with retarded numbers... So your example is full retard
Yes, we batphoned and got 1 Talendor out of the last what, 40+ sapwns? This happened while TMO was raid suspended. Gore is left up by FE/IB and TMO for hours at a time so as members start to log on we have a lot of time to direct them to DL.

FE should just downgrade itself to Class R, clearly jealous of not being there where BDA is.
It's amazing how concerned they are about BDA.
/troll
They should be though as we're going to spend the "golden years" togeher and then turn around and fuck them in the ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBQiLh9N6kg
/troll

[YendorLootmonkey]

lol @ bolded.

The different classes are using both potential and playstyle as factors. Lord Bob is class R, stop crying that they may not want to rotate when they don't have to be forced to and stop trying to force them into a bracket they aren't ready to compete in.

If you're seriously advocating they fight in Class C, then perhaps BDA should as well. After all, at least BDA can enter VP with #'s close to killing silverwing.

No, I am advocating Lord Bob needs to figure out their preferred playstyle, and then put themselves in the tier with other guilds that prefer that playstyle.

Otherwise this all goes back to guilds forcing other guilds to conform to a certain playstyle, which is the reason why we're in this predicament we find ourselves in now, because it makes the guilds who don't want to conform to a particular playstyle absolutely miserable trying to enjoy this server.

I am assuming Rogean recognized this by calling the categories "Class C" and "Class R" in his 1/1/1 proposal instead of "Tier 1" and "Tier 2" where, historically, that notation was used on Live to denote guilds of a certain ability/potential.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Well there is a 2 target per month limit, so I dunno how they'd take everything, but they could be one of the best of the rest.

...What? 2 targets a month? Like, total?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Also, Stealin, shouldn't you be in bed.

[Vandy]

With simulated repops AND Variance reduction there will be nearly twice as many NPCs to raid each month compared to now. I just don't see why everyone is bitching so much.

Make Rogean laugh too much and everyone gets jack shit as he said....