Rogean fix your server

[mishurza]

What's your solution?

You don't want to re-pop the server all the time.

I don't want to me not permitted the play the game half the time.

The historical solution to this problem was INSTANCED RAIDING

Without instances the best solution is more re-pops.

I've been playing on your server for 20 months. Of those 20 months I've spent 11 of them raiding with TMO. Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

[Gaffin 3.0]

QQ

[Rogean]

Don't pretend like you know what I'm thinking. I won't indulge your trolling further.

[mishurza]

By all means please explain the logic you used in deciding that more repops was not a good solution

[mishurza]

I certainly don't know what you are thinking. I can only assume based on the actions you've taken. I am making no effort to troll. I just don't understand why you would back track like this before you gave the solution a chance to work.

[Lisset]

Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

And this is the essence of the problem. You seem to think that because you're the best poopsockers, the mobs actually belong to you. They don't. You can't hand over what was never yours to begin with.

But feel free to go start your own server and you can make your own rules.

[mishurza]

I'm sorry that the way I phrased my sentence makes you think I believe I own the mobs.

How about. Why should I not attempt to kill all the mobs I can if I have friends who are willing to put forth the effort to help me do it?

[sanforce]

Rogean, I don't think he is trolling. This is YOUR sandbox, please tell us how you want us to play in it. Your server, your rules. If you want to go 100% rotations, a good amount of the most dedicated p1999 players will be upset and probably leave - but this is your project and you get to take it in any direction that you see fit. The problem is, nobody has a clue what you want, yet everyone has differing opinions on what kind of server they want.

Please give us some guidance or just blanket change the rules without any input. Regardless of the direction, it would be nice to see you take the reigns and steer the server in whatever direction you think it should go.

[uygi]

Don't think you're getting Rogean back in here, but he's certainly made it clear that rotations aren't the solution he or the CSR staff in general prefer.

What he wants is for people to stop being giant douches to eachother all the time, and I'm not talking about just IB/TMO/FE; there is plenty of douchey behavior all over the place.

[Matthalas Winterheart]

Don't pretend like you know what I'm thinking. I won't indulge your trolling further.


Rogean, Your the big dog, you call the shots. Why do you allow these morons to post this kind of crap? There are those of us that actually ARE grateful for you putting forth the time, energy and effort to keep this game running for us. Granted, I have never raided on your server, and I may well never because its people like those who started this thread that are causing all the issues..

I'm ranting here, as I have done so many times...I'm curious as to know of the people that donate to help you keep the finances for this in check, How many are among those who continually complain. Turn the lights out on these folks, they can go play on live where the kind of crap that they want to do is considered ok.

We appreciate you Rogean , And I really hope all the drama happening doesn't have you considering to pull the plug on this... That would really really suck.

[mishurza]

Forgive me for questioning your wisdom, oh great and powerful Rogean. I understand that this is your server, and that we are all playing here at your whim. I guess I'm done with that. Good luck everyone, I had a good time playing here. I didn't accomplish all the goals I wanted to, but when the server god tell you to fuck off, you leave before they waste any more of your time and effort.

Rogean,

I used to wonder how you inspired a guy like Toop to be such a dick. I used to recommend your server to just about everyone I talked to who was looking for a fun MMO. I don't know why you refuse to explain the logic behind your decisions. I understand you don't owe us anything, but that doesn't mean you can't be a little courteous and explain yourself and the decisions your reach.

[JayN]

only one asshole pretending here, and its not any of the players

[Redstars]

and he is clearly a longstanding member of TMO ><

[Autotune]

And you guys wonder why Rogean hasn't wanted to try and help you guys previously. Ungrateful fucks.

[Nune]

What's your solution?

You don't want to re-pop the server all the time.

I don't want to me not permitted the play the game half the time.

The historical solution to this problem was INSTANCED RAIDING

Without instances the best solution is more re-pops.

I've been playing on your server for 20 months. Of those 20 months I've spent 11 of them raiding with TMO. Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

Actually, fuckwad, the mobs are technically Rogaen's, not yours. And if your guild wasn't full of RMT/dupe/exploit/ no lifes, we wouldn't even be in this situation. You sit mules in EC selling Trak BP's and Dragon loot, then go on the forums QQ'ing about how unfair it is to say you don't "need" dragons anymore.

There is no effort in sitting at a raid spawn for 18 hours, waiting to batphone your guild. There's just a lack of a life away from a keyboard and a lust to prove something to a community who has condemned you for it. :cool:

[Versus]

Just make the fucking rules then big boy. Stop playing at democracy, we will not all agree and at the end of the day.

[Autotune]

I've been playing on your server for 20 months. Of those 20 months I've spent 11 of them raiding with TMO. Why should I hand over half of your mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

I just lol'd hard as hell.

This guy...

[Versus]

Not the place for this.

http://commonsenseconspiracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/socialism-cartoon.jpg

[Nune]

Oh look it's Stealin who thinks that because he used to play a lot and he forumquests a lot he's some kind of server legend.

Oh look, another TMO member who is entitled and whiney

[Doors]

ROGEAN FIX YOUR FREE TO PLAY ON SERVER WE DON'T PAY ANYTHING FOR GOD DAMN IT.

[Rec]

what if it can't be fixed?!

[Fael]

What was entitled or whiny about phisting's post?

L2 read. You by your comments appear to be just as douchey as you claim the TMO people are.

That said, I think this whole thread is pretty stupid. Stop pestering rogean with meaningless bs that is counter productive.

Dolic

[Redstars]

Im not fans of cheaters, But i am fans of people who try hard to get what they work for. I'm not a fan of hand outs. all this QQ'ing because people arent getting dragons dropped in their laps is kinda bullshit. No im not in TMO. But i do feel 40% of them have to be atleast decent. in my eyes there is no such thing as this T1 t2 guild bs. sure some guilds are better then others you work to get the mobs or dont complain because you didnt get the dragon....You dont go to work and bitch about not getting a raise when you havent worked hard do you?

[rollin5k]

I think some of you MIGHT be taking this a little too seriously.

Pixel lust had you literally frothing.

Rogean is the man.

[Skittlez]

This thread is full of typical p99 responses. Rogean, just man the fuck up and tell us what's happening and why you denied the proposed solution? This whole ordeal is just making you and the staff look bad.

[Skittlez]

In fact, this whole thing makes our server as a whole look like shit. How fucking disfunctional are we?

[SeruScars]

You might want to update the main page and let interested parties know there's no raiding on this server and it's pretty much done.

[Nune]

This thread is full of typical p99 responses. Rogean, just man the fuck up and tell us what's happening and why you denied the proposed solution? This whole ordeal is just making you and the staff look bad.

Thanks for your input on the raid scene, guy who doesn't have a character that can zone into a plane yet

[Whiteberry]

in my eyes there is no such thing as this T1 t2 guild bs. sure some guilds are better then others you work to get the mobs or dont complain because you didnt get the dragon....You dont go to work and bitch about not getting a raise when you havent worked hard do you?

I normaly don't post on here but this I actuly agree with...

[Versus]

Thanks for your input on the raid scene, guy who doesn't have a character that can zone into a plane yet

never heard of ya.

[Fountree]

Im not fans of cheaters, But i am fans of people who try hard to get what they work for. I'm not a fan of hand outs. all this QQ'ing because people arent getting dragons dropped in their laps is kinda bullshit. No im not in TMO. But i do feel 40% of them have to be atleast decent. in my eyes there is no such thing as this T1 t2 guild bs. sure some guilds are better then others you work to get the mobs or dont complain because you didnt get the dragon....You dont go to work and bitch about not getting a raise when you havent worked hard do you?


I normaly don't post on here but this I actuly agree with...

Dirty Casuals+Chest right now:

http://theoccultsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tumblr_lmxlul7wvW1qgfo5ao1_500.png

[Whiteberry]

Dirty Casuals+Chest right now:

http://theoccultsection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/tumblr_lmxlul7wvW1qgfo5ao1_500.png

What for saying that you should WORK for what get and not have it handed in you lap like a bunch of SPOILED rich kids??!! Everything I have on my toons was a direct result of me working for the fuking plat to get it!

[Obrae]

ROGEAN FIX YOUR FREE TO PLAY ON SERVER WE DON'T PAY ANYTHING FOR GOD DAMN IT.

That's naive

[Fountree]

No white i was agreeing with u hehe ;) Im saying thats how BDA and others advocating a rotation would most likely react to that.

[Whiteberry]

No white i was agreeing with u hehe ;) Im saying thats how BDA and others advocating a rotation would most likely react to that.

Oh damn... My b I was taking it the wrong way... Lol

[Whiteberry]

Btw I love that MJ pic.. It's actually true

[radditsu]

Lots of buttharm over imaginary pixels that matter the least. Shoulda just voted for my plan.

[Fael]

never heard of ya.

This. How ironic is it that some no name necro from a no name guild is trashing another player for commenting in this thread because "he can't even zone into the planes."

About as ironic as chest's claims that other people are toxic to the server.

Dolic

[August]

44 Mobs a month.

9+ guilds want those mobs

Math.

[Fazlazen]

This thread is full of typical p99 responses. Rogean, just man the fuck up and tell us what's happening and why you denied the proposed solution? This whole ordeal is just making you and the staff look bad.

thread

[Sckrilla]

Now that FE & TMO are BFF's, someone had to sit on Tasslehof's throne.

---> Itap

[Daldaen]

Sure, they could've updated so people didn't waste time waiting on dragons to pop...

But come on. This is a free server. Calm the fuck down.

[Fael]

Now that FE & TMO are BFF's, someone had to sit on Tasslehof's throne.

---> Itap

Why do the squeekiest wheels always play the most worthless classes ?

[Whiteberry]

This is a free server. Calm the fuck down.

FINALLY the truth prevailed

[Nneen]

Years of doing this I have learned Rogean is a very smart guy. If I were in his situation, I would buy a little time till Velious was released and this problem will sort itself out. Once Velious comes, older guilds won't give two shits about the old world drops and the "newer" ones will get to make their own agreements; or wars. The best solution is always to let nature take its course. Soon the forums will be a bitch fest for different reasons and Rogean will be kicked back in his chair, feet up, knowing the solution presented itself.

[mishurza]

Granted, I have never raided on your server, and I may well never because its people like those who started this thread that are causing all the issues..


Hmm, you seem to know an awful lot about what is causing the issues with the raid scene, which is understandable given the vast expertise and experience you admit to having on this server.

Rogean, I don't think he is trolling. This is YOUR sandbox, please tell us how you want us to play in it. Your server, your rules. If you want to go 100% rotations, a good amount of the most dedicated p1999 players will be upset and probably leave - but this is your project and you get to take it in any direction that you see fit. The problem is, nobody has a clue what you want, yet everyone has differing opinions on what kind of server they want.

Please give us some guidance or just blanket change the rules without any input. Regardless of the direction, it would be nice to see you take the reigns and steer the server in whatever direction you think it should go.

Sanforce, I appreciate your reading comprehension skills. Sadly lacking on these forums. This statement echoes my feelings precisely

[Unidus]

Pretty much agree. This is Rogeans sandbox who gives a shit if the top guilds aren't happy with your decisions Rogean. Plenty of people on the server to take their place who would agree with it. They don't pay you anything you have no obligations to make them happy. You provide them a server and if they don't like the rules then go play somewhere else. There is no plan that they are going to agree on themselves. You have to make one and tell them to follow it or get banned.

[Clark]

This. How ironic is it that some no name necro from a no name guild is trashing another player for commenting in this thread because "he can't even zone into the planes."

About as ironic as chest's claims that other people are toxic to the server.

Dolic

lol no names always try to be the coolest or toughest

[Castigate]

Maybe Rogean actually wants you all to come to an agreement yourselves rather than sticking your fingers in your ears and crying to whichever staff member you believe sympathizes with you.
Just a thought.

I mean, it seemed pretty clear from the start of his proposal.

It is up to the players to agree on a proposal, along with input from the staff. With that said, you guys may agree with this proposal or not. If you think another proposal will be more healthy for the server than by all means we can discard this one.

Objective
What the staff wants to see from the raid agreement is something that remains competitive in nature while also giving most guilds a chance to experience raid content, while rewarding guilds for efforts in tracking and mobilization without bringing it to hardcore extremes.

Not claiming to know what he's actually thinking or anything, but at some point you all need to start going to the negotiating table in good faith rather than expecting to stonewall and/or get the staff to decide for you.

[Pint]

This. How ironic is it that some no name necro from a no name guild is trashing another player for commenting in this thread because "he can't even zone into the planes."

About as ironic as chest's claims that other people are toxic to the server.

Dolic

the real irony is that Nune is the guild leader of indignation "where casual meets classy" yet every single one of his posts shit all over that phrase.

[dre]

Op mad GMs distributing loot to the less diserving.

I agree

[Swish]

OP...

http://www.crestweb.ca/mclean/Html%20assignment%201/francis4.gif

[Autotune]

lol no names always try to be the coolest or toughest

This is funny, cause no one knows who you are.

[DrathMaximus]

"Why should I hand over half the mobs..." yep that's the whole mentality of it all and the exact reason raids were suspended for two days.

[quido]

This is funny, cause no one knows who you are.

He's Armani bro

[Autotune]

He's Armani bro

That angry little guy that always stood in EC peddling his items while having hopes of being Ponzi 2.0?

That makes sense.

[kotton05]

What's your solution?

You don't want to re-pop the server all the time.

I don't want to me not permitted the play the game half the time.

The historical solution to this problem was INSTANCED RAIDING

Without instances the best solution is more re-pops.

I've been playing on your server for 20 months. Of those 20 months I've spent 11 of them raiding with TMO. Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

Stop crying dam. Who gives a shiiiiii

[Rhambuk]

OP...

http://www.crestweb.ca/mclean/Html%20assignment%201/francis4.gif

lol francis

have you seen him try to go super saiyan? or break his xbox?

[Locust]

...a good amount of the most dedicated p1999 players will be upset and probably leave...

pretty sure an overwhelming majority of the server would be happy about this

[fishingme]

What's your solution?

You don't want to re-pop the server all the time.

I don't want to me not permitted the play the game half the time.

The historical solution to this problem was INSTANCED RAIDING

Without instances the best solution is more re-pops.

I've been playing on your server for 20 months. Of those 20 months I've spent 11 of them raiding with TMO. Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

Not everyone has time to devote 18 hours to a video game, it's nice to be able to play casually and still experience everything there is in everquest. There really is no point for one or two guilds to control the servers raid mobs. Preferrably, a new blue server would be started so the hardcore raiders can have their own server. Not everyone wants to deal with that much hardcore shit so it would just be best to split to two servers. Go ahead and insult me because of this idea, but as is there's far too many casuals that play for a while and then leave because of how raiding stands on this server, you guys want your mobs and shit go for it. Although I doubt you guys would still raid on a server that is just populated by your own guild(s). It really is just time for a second blue server so no one has to deal with raid agreements they don't want.

[JayN]

but as is there's far too many casuals that play for a while and then leave because of how raiding stands on this server

wrong theyll leave regardless, they have in the past and they will in the future thats whole point of them being casual.

Thats why none of this will ever work, people who want to play casually and not compete, are wanting the same amount of payout as others devoting much more time.

In the end the casual will move on and not care, regardless if they get to raid or not, ive seen it happen hundreds of times.

[Raavak]

Instanced raids is the best way to do this.

A highly complex and confusing rotation with bag limits, cool off periods, etc. is going to cause more trouble than it solves. Figuring out when you can kill a mob is harder than figuring out who gets the last wildcard in the NFL... you need a stinkin' PhD to do it. And it will cause more lawyering than there has ever been.

As I posted elsewhere, do raid tokens combined with larger variances that keep some sort of competition/racing in the game, but eliminate poopsocking.

In the end the casual will move on and not care, regardless if they get to raid or not, ive seen it happen hundreds of times.Exactly, its part of the definition of casual. They will come and go all the time.

[rollin5k]

Filthy disgusting dirty casuals and hard cores need to be seperated no matter what way you look at it. Whether that be through rules or otherwise.

Imagine a rogean server with a strict rotation casual only ruleset i think it would thrive like crazy. most of us just don't have the time to compete so intensely and there really isn't enough to go around for the hardcores that want it all.

[Raavak]

Imagine a rogean server with a strict rotation casual only ruleset i think it would thrive like crazy.Too bad what you would be playing would not be Everquest anymore. You might call it EQ but it won't be but a shadow.

[ripwind]

How would it not be EQ? It isn't like loot would just be handed out for showing up

[Autotune]

How would it not be EQ? It isn't like loot would just be handed out for showing up

this is what happened for all the people who joined TMO after IB left.

[rollin5k]

Some servers had a rotation , they were lucky enough to not have as many hoarders. It would still be eq

[Buriedpast]

I would play on "but a shadow of P1999" if I saw it on the server select, Rakpartha.

And so would hundreds or a thousand others. I've played "EQ" as you remember it. I played it endgame, I played it as one of the top chars on magelo for many years, for all the reasons you remember liking it too. I was 14 to 19 years old.

And for the same reason lift my head in a tackle, and check the depth before jumping off shit; I don't really like injuring myself after years of doing so. But I can still play rugby, and I can still go for a swim in a lake. And it certainly isn't 'a shadow' of what it used to be. It's just different.

[Raavak]

It's just different.Just because its different for you, why does it have to be different for everyone?

And if its different, stop labeling it as being original. If you are playing senior league rugby with the old fogies you call it that, you don't claim its the same league you played in when you were 25.

Rotation is not Classic for a vast majority of EQ Live veterans. Having end game dominated by a minority is Classic. People need to stop calling this EQ Classic just because it looks like it from a distance because once you immerse yourself its getting really, really far from Classic.

Yeah, people get to be nostalgic about killing big mobs like they did in 2000 when they played hard core, even though they don't play hard core anymore. (I repeat what Nirgon said, if you want to relive those old kills just go to EZ Server and get your rocks off).

But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core. Right now TMO/FE/IB players are basically being told this isn't a server for our playstyle, even though it has been for many years now. These guilds were basically fine with last weeks agreement. We agreed to not be douchebags to each other and that what we all wanted was to raid, and that we would communicate and try to solve problems between us.

Its the casual raider wanting the hardcore experience that is holding the server back at this point.

Again, I repeat, if we want a hybrid of competition and non-competition, then add a system to trigger raid mobs and let all guild leaders do this occasionally, at their own leisure and on their own schedule.

[ripwind]

Its the casual raider wanting the hardcore experience that is holding the server back at this point.

Holding the entire server back?

[fastboy21]

The very title of this thread is rude.

How dare you say something like this to Rogean. You play FOR FREE on his server that, according to you, needs fixing. He doesn't have to do shit for you or anyone else.

[Man0warr]

But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core.

A few hundred vs a couple thousand, sounds like you are the minority.

My classic experience is from The Rathe, which had a raid calendar that every guild followed and it had it's own forums for guilds to discuss issues.

I know several other servers had rotations and calendars up until instancing became the norm.

THIS SERVER ISN'T CLASSIC - outside of the mobs, loot, and mechanics.

Most servers didn't need a rotation, because there was only ever 1-3 guilds that ever had the capability to kill bleeding edge content - everything worked it self out most of the time because there was enough targets to go around.

Servers weren't stuck on Kunark for 3 years.

Servers didn't have 6-8 guilds capable of killing Trakanon.

Server's didn't have the majority of the player base with a max level character, nor was it classic for the top guilds to have alt armies of maxed out twinks camped at every competitive raid mob.

Therefore, a non classic solution is required. There is no way you can disagree with any of my points above.

[Nirgon]

44 Mobs a month.

9+ guilds want those mobs

Math.

All those bonus xp weeks and weekends...

Appreciated of course by those who benefitted but this long of a time line in Kunark...

Shit's mad obvi.

Current agreement was good. Dunno what the hold up is.

Oh yeah, its OK to disagree with Rogean but don't be slurrin' him too hard esp in his own dojo.

[Kope]

Just because its different for you, why does it have to be different for everyone?

And if its different, stop labeling it as being original. If you are playing senior league rugby with the old fogies you call it that, you don't claim its the same league you played in when you were 25.

Rotation is not Classic for a vast majority of EQ Live veterans. Having end game dominated by a minority is Classic. People need to stop calling this EQ Classic just because it looks like it from a distance because once you immerse yourself its getting really, really far from Classic.

Yeah, people get to be nostalgic about killing big mobs like they did in 2000 when they played hard core, even though they don't play hard core anymore. (I repeat what Nirgon said, if you want to relive those old kills just go to EZ Server and get your rocks off).

But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core. Point 1) Right now TMO/FE/IB players are basically being told this isn't a server for our playstyle, even though it has been for many years now. These guilds were basically fine with last weeks agreement. We agreed to not be douchebags to each other and that what we all wanted was to raid, and that we would communicate and try to solve problems between us.

Point 2) Its the casual raider wanting the hardcore experience that is holding the server back at this point.

Point 3) Again, I repeat, if we want a hybrid of competition and non-competition, then add a system to trigger raid mobs and let all guild leaders do this occasionally, at their own leisure and on their own schedule.

Point 1) No one's saying your style of play is wrong, or should be done away with. The proposed 1 1 1 plan actually gives your style of play more reward than the other (more work, more loot, period), it just gives the non hardcore play style credence as well.

Point 2) That's the thing, the non hardcore crowd doesn't want the hardcore experience, that's what we're trying to avoid, but we have respect other people want it and we don't want you to not have your hardcore experience.

Point 3) The 1 1 1 plan encompasses both play styles beautifully and lets those who want to challenge the top tier while being in the low tier the ability to do so.

We don't want to take your cheesecake, we want peach blueberry pie.

[ravensloss]

Im sorry ive been laughing for days about how simple this situation really is. Right now the mob drops are more important than the players who wield them. A quick change of perspective might be in order. A player should allways be more important than a drop, because items can be made, players must be born.

[Whiteberry]

Just because its different for you, why does it have to be different for everyone?


But guess what, there are a few hundred people that still play hard core and want to play hard core. Right now TMO/FE/IB players are basically being told this isn't a server for our playstyle, even though it has been for many years now. These guilds were basically fine with last weeks agreement. We agreed to not be douchebags to each other and that what we all wanted was to raid, and that we would communicate and try to solve problems between us.


agreed
Its the casual raider wanting the hardcore experience that is holding the server back at this point.

[Galelor]

You dont go to work and bitch about not getting a raise when you havent worked hard do you?

No one is getting paid to play on P99, as they would at work. If they are getting paid, it is against the rules of the server and they should not be here. The only reason people play this server is for utility, or happiness in the economical sense. Comparing playing p99 and working for cash moneys is not even close to a valid comparison.

Retort to your bad comparison - The majority of the server was not happy with poopsocking, and the other shit in the raid scene. It seriously is/was fucking stupid, and EQ live would not have lasted if it was like this on live. Where is the utility??? When people are grossly unhappy with their wages at work, do you know what they do? Start stealing, get a new job, or form a union... You can extrapolate this any way you see fit.

Overall - I think every single person interested in discussing this topic can agree that killing no or almost no raid mobs sucks. At a high level, and with a long enough duration, you will eventually quit. Guess what. That is what was/is going on for a lot of the players on the server. Word around town is that the raid scene on this server is awful. If you want this server to keep going strong, make the changes to keep the server health. Velious wont fix this, it just moves the goal line. There needs to be a real fix, and it needs to be fair for everyone who plays and wants to see content.

ps - There is a lot of finger pointing at the casual guilds saying they don't want to earn their loot. On live, obviously we had races to spawns, and if there was a wipe I well remember taking the kill over the bodies of the guild who got there first. So I might agree with this finger pointing. However, I also remember that most of the time there were no races... I keep remembering my live guilds earning loot because they built up the appropriate force and strategies to kill a mob.

[August]

"Generic one-sided argument that fails to consider any viewpoint but my own!"

[Nanjiro]

Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware the mobs were yours to "hand" out.

Forgive me master of the universe for talking out of line, may I please continue playing on 'your' server?

[mishurza]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware the mobs were yours to "hand" out.

Forgive me master of the universe for talking out of line, may I please continue playing on 'your' server?

Good to see you read more than 1 post of this thread.

[Nanjiro]

Good to see you read more than 1 post of this thread.

Yup, I was overtaken by the sheer stupidity of the post I had to reply right away.

[mishurza]

So you think the server is fine the way it is?

[Bones]

"effort" and "competition" still being grossly misused

at least something on this server is classic

[fishingme]

wrong theyll leave regardless, they have in the past and they will in the future thats whole point of them being casual.

Thats why none of this will ever work, people who want to play casually and not compete, are wanting the same amount of payout as others devoting much more time.

In the end the casual will move on and not care, regardless if they get to raid or not, ive seen it happen hundreds of times.

I consider myself casual, I've been playing since the server started pretty much and I'm still here. I've raided sparadically throughout my time here. A second server would give the casuals a place to go who are wanting only to devote the spare time they have to play, casuals would like to experience raid content too. Really though if it's the casual players/guilds wanting more mobs or w/e than tmo/FE and are screwing the rotation, how about a new server for the casuals to go to and bring up their own raid rotation agreement, if it's even needed in the type of player set that would be there.

[Dr. Edge]

Why should I hand over half the mobs to other players if they aren't willing to put forth the effort that me and my friends do?

get a life loser, the game is for everyone not just you retarded shut ins

[TanDemain]

lol francis

have you seen him try to go super saiyan? or break his xbox?

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Leonardo-DiCaprio-Django-Unchained-You-Had-my-Curiosity.gif

[Raavak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k

[TanDemain]

THIS SERVER ISN'T CLASSIC - outside of the mobs, loot, and mechanics.

Most servers didn't need a rotation, because there was only ever 1-3 guilds that ever had the capability to kill bleeding edge content - everything worked it self out most of the time because there was enough targets to go around.

Servers weren't stuck on Kunark for 3 years.

Servers didn't have 6-8 guilds capable of killing Trakanon.

Server's didn't have the majority of the player base with a max level character, nor was it classic for the top guilds to have alt armies of maxed out twinks camped at every competitive raid mob.

Therefore, a non classic solution is required. There is no way you can disagree with any of my points above.

This. I don't understand why the hardcore guilds can't comprehend these concepts. They use the argument of "Hardcore guilds and competition is classic" but neglect to realize that over the last few years, the classic experience on P99 has become anything but the classic experience (for all the reasons posted above). Their arguments lack this basic reasoning when bringing up the "classic card".

When Velious came out on Live (just over a year from Kunark's release), the hardcore guilds (I was in Vis Maior on Quellious, I know) migrated to the next content while the smaller tighter-knit, casual and family-oriented guilds moved onto the old content (that was boring and useless in regards to loot etc) and smaller raid targets in Velious and Kunark.

I really have to question the motives of the hardcore guilds, but can't fault them either... what else are they to do? If it brings them fun (whatever warped sense of fun killing Trak 200+ times can give you), who are we to say otherwise? The simplest answer, usually being the most opportune, would have to be to release Velious in a timely manner. Kunark was not designed/intended to go on this long, but here we are.