RnF is boring today, let's talk about Bob guild

[arsenalpow]

And how they decided to try and snipe Faydedar from the tier 2 coalition, specifically Azure Guard, wiped to said Faydedar with 30. Then rezzed up to go after Talendor which happened to be Azure Guard's second agreed upon rotation target.

Questions, comments, concerns?

[kotton05]

Bob is bad and so is his guild doljawipealot.... also you're a Nazi asshole :)

[The Situation]

They should stick to Crushbone. How do you wipe to Faydedar with 30? They could've gotten in the rotation and had help on a mob of their own. Instead, they want to contest shit they can't do.

My vote for the most worthless guild on the server.

[kotton05]

Chest = eccezan

[arsenalpow]

Stay on topic buddy, new threads can be made to tear me and my regime down.

[radditsu]

Lord Dojo Should be dismantled and banned. PRAS THE NEW REGIME AND ALL ITS GLORY

[oldschooltrader]

according to Derubel ... Bob guild aspires to compete in T1

unfort for T2s, only the "staff" can declare them T1 so to get "practice" for competition that awaits them at the top tier, they pick on AGs raid targets refusing to work with the alliance of T2 guilds.

fun

[kotton05]

First fucks up our sky day then wipes to a fay that wasn't theirs. O Lordy

[chief]

Petitionquest inc......

[Rhambuk]

T2 guilds come to an agreement, 1 T2 guild decided they didn't like it and would rather "compete"

Classic.

[kotton05]

Just move them to tier 1 see how much they wanna compete after that imo

[Tiggles]

Lord Bob is the best tier 2 guild on the server and I cannot wait to tag my alts in there along with the rest of TMO and help them foster a competitive spirit inside the tier 2 bracket.

God bless.

[myriverse]

RnF is boring today
"Today?!"

[Mezzmur]

<Tinfoil Hat> is recruiting, Premier Tier 2 No-Fucks-Given Raid Guild. Join Today!

[kotton05]

So you're saying the best t2 guild wipes to fay?

[The Situation]

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSxvTzaOX7Z_tqR8wPj0nElxK1s3kZj9 Efo7rXeJtksB9Cyb2boXw

[kotton05]

Don't go all Simpson meme in here!

[oldschooltrader]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9idgqApTk1qgf1i8o1_500.jpg

[Lojik]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpoaDQxUa-zp2FVrbKV23OzXdk1eTNgNiTDNWrMLmSyBKNnACH

[Coolname]

last time i checked ... AG had;

9 BDA "help"
BDA pulling
4-5 "The Alliance" help
Tanken former TMO ringer tanking

still lost 10 players with a 40 man engage, good job?

[The Situation]

last time i checked ... AG had;

9 BDA "help"
BDA pulling
4-5 "The Alliance" help
Tanken former TMO ringer tanking

still lost 10 players with a 40 man engage, good job?

1 BDA "helped" pull.

AG downed dragon with 100% AG force.

A few players died.

Complete AG failure.

Dolj had full force, < 50% all members were formerly TMO/FE/IB. 100% casualties. Success!!

[The Situation]

Truth be told, the other guilds were on standby not to help, but because they hate Lord Bob. It's a universal hate the entire server can get behind.

[The Situation]

Every failure is monumentally more hilarious than the last.

[Funkutron5000]

Wanna see the Lord Bob roster p bad.

[Raavak]

I was under the understanding that Lord Bob was largely EQ Mac converts?

[The Situation]

I was under the understanding that Lord Bob was largely EQ Mac converts?

I think so, though they have plenty of TMO/FE/IB rejects too.

[Coolname]

I think so, though they have plenty of TMO/FE/IB rejects too.


not sure how 3-4 alts from a few different guilds becomes an army of TMO/FE/IB rejects.. plz explain ~

[The Situation]

First explain this:

1 BDA "helped" pull.

AG downed dragon with 100% AG force.

A few players died.

Complete AG failure.

Dolj had full force, < 50% all members were formerly TMO/FE/IB. 100% casualties. Success!!

[hatelore]

Good job Lord Djfhdhfjfjdhfktueurnfkgkriejxncbdhflgncbsufkvndifj rjfjvncjskfjcnskjfjf. Good luck next time yo~

[Coolname]

nothing to explain . . AG had "help" ... the only thing for debate is how much "help"

[The Situation]

nothing to explain . . AG had "help" ... the only thing for debate is how much "help"

You're right. Grats on your loot.

[hatelore]

so all i gt from this is Azure Guard dosnt have the testicle fortitude to call out others.

But good guy Chest here to right the wrongs

BDA showing why they rule T2 with an rubber fist and iron handle

Why all the bda hate? You trying to get beat down with a rubber fist and fisted with an iron handle or wut??? Best check yo self~

[Tongpow]

lol holy shit,

i can only speak for myself but Ekco is less than a month old, last toon i played on this server got to like lvl 35 before i quit years ago. hit 49 on my wizzy all happy n shit get a few tells for "hey bro wanna port a couple grps up to hate we'll pay you and we got stones and you can stay and raid with us if you want" from like 3 different guilds shortly after that.

so im like fuck yeah not only am i getting paid i get to check if any of these are guilds i might wanna app to and i get to see these planes again that i haven't in a long time. one Required teamspeak to raid for 15yr old pixels cause typing is hard to only actually use it to complain about TMO/IB/FE for the hour i was in there while eating fuckin food into their mics, the other i don't really remember and these cool doljon people.

that experience mixed in with some other bad experiences with some members of the other choices for guilds to join in xp grps..etc left only lord bob as an option and im glad i landed here. yeah we wiped to fay at 40% but i'd rather that happen than just show up and be given loot or have a dumbfuck rotation where even if your guild sucks the other 6 members of the neckbeard casual council will track and pull your mob for you and kill it if you can't because apparently reliving classic to some people is getting loot you didnt get back in the day even if you don't have to work for it.

[Coolname]

lol holy shit,

yeah we wiped to fay at 40% but i'd rather that happen than just show up and be given loot or have a dumb fucking rotation where even if your guild sucks the other 6 members of the neckbeard casual council will track and pull your mob for you and kill it, if you can't .

Apparently reliving classic to some people is getting loot you didnt get back in the day even if you don't have to work for it.

quote of the year

[slappytwotoes]

I'm from a T2 guild and I hate this carebear rotation bullshit.

More powa to Lord Bob and Dolajnsiknskjdsjkdhfksdjfkamar!

[slappytwotoes]

BTW there's a lot who hate the rotation but T2 had to unify in the face of T1 + server staff. We may be lumped together but we don't all agree.

[Coolname]

what really scares them is when/if Dolajnsiknskjdsjkdhfksdjfkamar does get their shit together its ganna be tmo 2.0 for teir 2

[Raavak]

apparently reliving classic to some people is getting loot you didnt get back in the day even if you don't have to work for it.Great quote!

[Ella`Ella]

It only took 24 hours for t2 guilds to start shitting on each other. God bless you, Lord Bob.

[Frogie305]

It only took 24 hours for t2 guilds to start shitting on each other. God bless you, Lord Bob.

LoL

[The Situation]

what really scares them is when/if Dolajnsiknskjdsjkdhfksdjfkamar does get their shit together its ganna be tmo 2.0 for teir 2

You're the only one it scares.

[log]

I love how the guy that has been so adamant about playing nice and seeming so vigilant for all the tier 2 guilds to get a long goes out of his way to flame a guild for failing on a dragon. Where in the raid rules that were posted does it say anything about tier 2 guilds having to commit to any rotation?

On the first two simulated patchday repops T1 Guilds are limited to VP, Naggy, and Vox, the other 1-2 simulated patchday repops will be FFA, rest of the mobs will be FFA.

T1 Guilds are no longer allowed to kill Vox and Naggy, except on simulated patchday repops.

the Guilds will continue their discussions (here in thrse forums!) to improve the raid scene here on project 1999, and we will ensure that no one side can try to strong arm or hold any one other side hostage.

Side Rules:

anyone caught intentionally training at raids eats a perma ban, and their guild eats a four week raid suspension.
we strongly encourage guilds to work out their own disputes before contacting the CSR staff, as you will probably not like our rulings.
respect FTE messages, anyone that ignores FTE and Kill Steals a mob will earn their guild a four week raid suspension.
No guild will have more than two representatives present at any raid mob at any time.
Players will not be allowed to camp out at raid mobs ahead of time to encourage actually racing for targets.
Consider greatly reducing variance if the poopsocking can be curbed by the above rules.
No DA Stalling, period.
A Guild will be considered a Teir 1 Guild by the staff, as soon as it starts competing for dragons within Veeshan's Peak.


On the first two simulated patchday repops T1 Guilds are limited to VP, Naggy, and Vox, the other 1-2 simulated patchday repops will be FFA, rest of the mobs will be FFA.

T1 Guilds are no longer allowed to kill Vox and Naggy, except on simulated patchday repops.

the Guilds will continue their discussions (here in thrse forums!) to improve the raid scene here on project 1999, and we will ensure that no one side can try to strong arm or hold any one other side hostage.

Side Rules:

anyone caught intentionally training at raids eats a perma ban, and their guild eats a four week raid suspension.
we strongly encourage guilds to work out their own disputes before contacting the CSR staff, as you will probably not like our rulings.
respect FTE messages, anyone that ignores FTE and Kill Steals a mob will earn their guild a four week raid suspension.
No guild will have more than two representatives present at any raid mob at any time.
Players will not be allowed to camp out at raid mobs ahead of time to encourage actually racing for targets.
Consider greatly reducing variance if the poopsocking can be curbed by the above rules.
No DA Stalling, period.
A Guild will be considered a Teir 1 Guild by the staff, as soon as it starts competing for dragons with

[doraf]

lol holy shit,

i can only speak for myself but Ekco is less than a month old, last toon i played on this server got to like lvl 35 before i quit years ago. hit 49 on my wizzy all happy n shit get a few tells for "hey bro wanna port a couple grps up to hate we'll pay you and we got stones and you can stay and raid with us if you want" from like 3 different guilds shortly after that.

so im like fuck yeah not only am i getting paid i get to check if any of these are guilds i might wanna app to and i get to see these planes again that i haven't in a long time. one Required teamspeak to raid for 15yr old pixels cause typing is hard to only actually use it to complain about TMO/IB/FE for the hour i was in there while eating fuckin food into their mics, the other i don't really remember and these cool doljon people.

that experience mixed in with some other bad experiences with some members of the other choices for guilds to join in xp grps..etc left only lord bob as an option and im glad i landed here. yeah we wiped to fay at 40% but i'd rather that happen than just show up and be given loot or have a dumbfuck rotation where even if your guild sucks the other 6 members of the neckbeard casual council will track and pull your mob for you and kill it if you can't because apparently reliving classic to some people is getting loot you didnt get back in the day even if you don't have to work for it.

I'm actually proud of you guys. Get them levels and resist gear, so that the 40 man fails turn into 16 man kills.

[Sadad]

lol holy shit,

i can only speak for myself but Ekco is less than a month old, last toon i played on this server got to like lvl 35 before i quit years ago. hit 49 on my wizzy all happy n shit get a few tells for "hey bro wanna port a couple grps up to hate we'll pay you and we got stones and you can stay and raid with us if you want" from like 3 different guilds shortly after that.

so im like fuck yeah not only am i getting paid i get to check if any of these are guilds i might wanna app to and i get to see these planes again that i haven't in a long time. one Required teamspeak to raid for 15yr old pixels cause typing is hard to only actually use it to complain about TMO/IB/FE for the hour i was in there while eating fuckin food into their mics, the other i don't really remember and these cool doljon people.

that experience mixed in with some other bad experiences with some members of the other choices for guilds to join in xp grps..etc left only lord bob as an option and im glad i landed here. yeah we wiped to fay at 40% but i'd rather that happen than just show up and be given loot or have a dumbfuck rotation where even if your guild sucks the other 6 members of the neckbeard casual council will track and pull your mob for you and kill it if you can't because apparently reliving classic to some people is getting loot you didnt get back in the day even if you don't have to work for it.

This guy was kicked out of BDA for scamming over two years ago. Just so you all know, before you try to hold him up as some sort of champion of competition.

[Daldolma]

I'm actually proud of you guys. Get them levels and resist gear, so that the 40 man fails turn into 16 man kills.

Location: Santa Barbara, CA.
__________________
Forceful Entry Officer
Doraf - 60 Cleric

dumbest thing i've ever read

[log]

Lord bob wasn't included in any of the "Raid Summit" chats, and don't think that's because we wanted nothing to do with it. We were told our input wasn't wanted. And this TIER 2 COALITION you speak of. Could you kindly link me to where on the forums there was an agreed rotation for tier 2 mobs? thanks

[The Situation]

This guy was kicked out of BDA for scamming over two years ago. Just so you all know, before you try to hold him up as some sort of champion of competition.

Confirmed Ekco is a faggot.

[The Situation]

Lord bob wasn't included in any of the "Raid Summit" chats, and don't think that's because we wanted nothing to do with it. We were told our input wasn't wanted. And this TIER 2 COALITION you speak of. Could you kindly link me to where on the forums there was an agreed rotation for tier 2 mobs? thanks

I believe it's this thread right here:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134148

[The Situation]

I can't say this enough:
I want Doljon, Supremacy, Knights, The Alliance, Indignation, and ANYONE ELSE all to join us Tier 2. The current 6 Tier 2 guilds have all unanimously decided on our rotation based system,

[contemptor]

From reading the dude's posts, it sounds like lord bob would be the only guild willing to take him and not the other way around

[log]

I see some bullshit calling doljon tier 2.1

All 6 T2 guilds would love to work out a fair (and my ideas are quite easy) system with the GMs on what makes ANYONE available to go from T2.1 to T2, and join in our agreed rotation. (These are Phiren's ideas for a system of 2.1 -> 2.0, this has not been agreed upon by all Tier 2 guilds)

Some rules on joining the Tier 2 fun:
#1) You have to be a guild that was created over 60 days ago (obviously you need to show force for 60 days. No creating a guild today with 10 peopleand popping up out of nowhere in March with 30 shiny new 60s that no one has heard of or seen in 2 months)
#2) When you think you are ready to move from 2.1 to 2, we will give you a shot @ .. lets say Fay? You have 3 attempts to kill Fay. After 3rd attempt, it goes back to whoever was designated that mob in T2. You can try again next month after you regroup
#3) Any changes to this "Tier 2 Charter" need to pass a vote by super majority vote (75% +?)

[log]

Maybe other would be more inclined to either follow a rotation if there were some outlying rules on the forum as to how this tier 2 rotation would work? As far as I see on the forums the GM's have marked all tier 2 as FFA and nothing definitive set in stone regarding tier 2 rotation.

[The Situation]

You're just absolutely fucking retarded. How much hand-holding do you need here?

I see some bullshit calling doljon tier 2.1

same thread:

at the present time, any guild that is not considered a Tier1 Guild, will automatically be considered a Tier2 Guild.

[The Situation]

Maybe other would be more inclined to either follow a rotation if there were some outlying rules on the forum as to how this tier 2 rotation would work? As far as I see on the forums the GM's have marked all tier 2 as FFA and nothing definitive set in stone regarding tier 2 rotation.

Keep being a whiny bitch guild then and get no kills. Nobody gives a shit.

[Bruman]

nothing to explain . . AG had "help" ... the only thing for debate is how much "help"

BDA pulled, that was it. We had a total of 10 or so there (less than 2 groups, including the pullers). We had heard AG needed help, but it turns out they had like 30 there. We stood to the side while they killed it, then ported out before loot even got linked.

Attempts (read: more than one, that's plural) were made to talk to Lord Bob / Doljo for the T2 group. The response was "not interested". T2 is happy fun time carebears high fives hugs and kisses for all that are interested in playing along. If you're not interested in playing along, see you during FFA, but be prepared for the other T2 guilds to work together to shut you down.

[khanable]

Lord bob wasn't included in any of the "Raid Summit" chats, and don't think that's because we wanted nothing to do with it. We were told our input wasn't wanted. And this TIER 2 COALITION you speak of. Could you kindly link me to where on the forums there was an agreed rotation for tier 2 mobs? thanks

I know I reached out to Lord Bob to try and get them involved. I had no idea who leadership was, and the 3-4 people I contacted didn't know either, with two of them saying they don't care to apart of the council.

The one officer I do know of hasn't been online lately.

I know Loraen also reached out to you guys, and again, was met with cold shoulder.

To sit here and say you guys were not invited is just silly.

[The Situation]

It's entertaining as shit that Doljon wants competition, yet can't compete.

[Bruman]

Maybe other would be more inclined to either follow a rotation if there were some outlying rules on the forum as to how this tier 2 rotation would work? As far as I see on the forums the GM's have marked all tier 2 as FFA and nothing definitive set in stone regarding tier 2 rotation.

Most of the big Tier 2 guilds are working together sans-GMs to try to come up with something that everyone can enjoy for us casual scum. Get your leadership to take their head out of their ass, apologize for last night's bullshit, and join.

If your leaders continue to take the role of sociopath, don't be surprised when you get treated as such and boycotted.

[log]

No the gms specifically told us our input was not wanted at the guilds summit for whatever reason. And again i see no clear rotation agreement defined on the T2 repop proposal that was linked. Why would one agree to said "agreement" when nothing is outlined. How are we to know it is fair?

[log]

I believe it's this thread right here:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134148

This is about as definitive as a proposal regarding t2 rotation on that thread.

As for the Tier2 rotation: I don't think it will last as a rotation beyond today. If we don't know the time in advance, I could see The A-Team having anywhere from 5-20 players depending on the time of day and how people's schedules happen to work out. So I think the Tier2 rotation will become more of a 'play nice agreement': coordinate where we go to minimize wasted effort, don't leapfrog or other nonsense, try to give everyone a shot at the best targets, etc. Of course, there is one guild that has no intention of playing nice, which brings us to

[khanable]

No the gms specifically told us our input was not wanted at the guilds summit for whatever reason. And again i see no clear rotation agreement defined on the T2 repop proposal that was linked. Why would one agree to said "agreement" when nothing is outlined. How are we to know it is fair?

I don't know why'd they do that. The only thing I can think of was the GM's didn't want to let the T2 guilds form a firing squad and aim it directly at TMO/FE/IB. Which is a bit understandable. Or, perhaps, they felt your presence in the raid scene wasn't substantial enough (not trying to flame here, you guys are relatively new here).

With all that said -- get involved if you see fit. Have your leadership contact us. There is still work to be done on the rotation. This weeks agreement was something that went out so we can kill the mobs that were up at the time. I don't know the specifics - but everyone is working to hammer out something and get it published ASAP.

[Detoxx]

First world problems

[Nirgon]

TMO & FE/IB seem to have things worked out and appreciate competing for mobs within their own tier.

The rest... well HEH... let's just watch this play out.

"You guys tried to kill Faydedar while we were killing Vox!"

Lul. Obvious problem is obvious.

Furthermore, telling another guild "you aren't invited to the T2 party/any raid mobs" from the mouths of the "we're tired of people being shitbags" is A-grade.

[The Situation]

Furthermore, telling another guild "you aren't invited to the T2 party/any raid mobs" from the mouths of the "we're tired of people being shitbags" is A-grade.

This didn't happen.

[CodyF86]

Lord bob wasn't included in any of the "Raid Summit" chats, and don't think that's because we wanted nothing to do with it. We were told our input wasn't wanted. And this TIER 2 COALITION you speak of. Could you kindly link me to where on the forums there was an agreed rotation for tier 2 mobs? thanks

Talked to <Lord Bob> too and they "have no interest" in this, which is not really surprising considering their past stance on things.

Multiple people from multiple T2 guilds contacted you guys and everyone was told you guys had no interest in it by your own officers / whoever in the guild, and this was before the guilds even decided which merbs they were going to kill yesterday / today / whenever the planes come back up.

You guys still could have wiped to a dragon, without looking like assholes, and everyone prob would just be saying, hey guys you gave it a good try, you'll kill him next time, but now you just look like a bunch of assholes. lol

This is your cake, and no you cannot eat it!

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Nikon]

Furthermore, telling another guild "you aren't invited to the T2 party/any raid mobs" from the mouths of the "we're tired of people being shitbags" is A-grade.

I see a lot of people trying to make a good effort to incorporate them.

[log]

The current 6 Tier 2 guilds have all unanimously decided on our rotation based system,

As for the Tier2 rotation: I don't think it will last as a rotation beyond today. If we don't know the time in advance, I could see The A-Team having anywhere from 5-20 players depending on the time of day and how people's schedules happen to work out. So I think the Tier2 rotation will become more of a 'play nice agreement': coordinate where we go to minimize wasted effort, don't leapfrog or other nonsense, try to give everyone a shot at the best targets, etc.

I don't think I can make this any more clear
"what exactly are we not agreeing to here?"

[The Situation]

You're bad at quotes.

And killing dragons.

[slappytwotoes]

You're bad at quotes.

And killing dragons.

/thread

[Tongpow]

This guy was kicked out of BDA for scamming over two years ago. Just so you all know, before you try to hold him up as some sort of champion of competition.


was i actually in BDA on here? dont think i was,i was an officer when we formed the guild on Eqclassic 7years ago or w/e but was my necro actually tagged on here? dont remember iirc i gave that account away in EC and went to play Eve online back when global ooc was still a thing lol

[khanable]

was i actually in BDA on here? dont think i was,i was an officer when we formed the guild on Eqclassic 7years ago or w/e but was my necro actually tagged on here? dont remember iirc i gave that account away in EC and went to play Eve online back when global ooc was still a thing lol

busted

[log]

You're bad at quotes.

And killing dragons.

Really? is this an epeen contest? can u go back to your mothers basement now? trying to have an actual discussion regarding doljon and this is the best you got? glad you have no facts or anything to back up anything regarding "this so called rotation"

[Rhambuk]

What he really means is your bad at pressing keys on a keyboard and clicking the buttons on your mouse.

Maybe its arthritis?

[Argh]

This didn't happen.

see:

We are getting requests from guilds I have never heard of to attend the discussion tonight. May I suggest the smaller guilds voice their concerns to some of the higher up Cat B guilds like BDA, Divinity and Taken. Tonight's forum will be restricting representatives to 2 players from each guild. With that in mind, we will still be having 10 -12 people on our vent likely all talking at once. We know the concerns and we are doing our best to come to some sort of amiable solution that benefits everyone. However if you haven't killed a Dragon or God in the past 6 months, then please let your proxy be conveyed by one of the aforementioned guilds.

Morphius
Forceful Entry

[The Situation]

Really? is this an epeen contest? can u go back to your mothers basement now? trying to have an actual discussion regarding doljon and this is the best you got? glad you have no facts or anything to back up anything regarding "this so called rotation"

This is RnF. Neither the time nor place to claim to be trying to have an actual discussion.

Shit, you're even bad at using the forums. Can you do anything right?

[The Situation]

see:


Do you even realize that you quoted an officer of FE, and not a T2 guild? And even still, you did it out of context.

[log]

Clearly you have nothing better to do with your life then argue with people on the forums just for the sake of argument. good day sir

[Derubael]

No the gms specifically told us our input was not wanted at the guilds summit for whatever reason. And again i see no clear rotation agreement defined on the T2 repop proposal that was linked. Why would one agree to said "agreement" when nothing is outlined. How are we to know it is fair?

Oh lord. I need to stop reading RnF, because every time I do I read something like this and end up posting to correct it.

I spoke with your guilds leader before the meetings started taking place. I told him to contact some of the other Tier 1 and 2 guilds and ask about attending the meeting. I also told him if they didn't want Doljon there, they should leave their opinion with another guild so it could be represented at those meetings.

GM's didn't say who could or couldn't be at these talks. We left that up to the players.

You may now continue your regularly scheduled RnF'ing.

[The Situation]

Lord Bob pwnt again.

[The Situation]

Derubael on the forums is like Faydedar in TD. You can't beat him.

[Nikon]

see:


No the gms specifically told us our input was not wanted at the guilds summit for whatever reason. And again i see no clear rotation agreement defined on the T2 repop proposal that was linked. Why would one agree to said "agreement" when nothing is outlined. How are we to know it is fair?

That does not qualify as a supporting reference, Argh, as it was specifically stated the the GM's told them that.

[Splorf22]

I don't think I can make this any more clear "what exactly are we not agreeing to here?"

The 'play nice part'.

Anyway, since this is rants and flames, let me rant a bit: there seem to be a lot of people who are trying to make it seem as though the Tier2 guilds are being assholes about this agreement. Nothing could be further from the truth: I talked to Indignation on Sunday night and am continuing to talk to them (according to Elzhi they should have access to the raid forums soon). I had the following conversations with Lord Bob on Monday morning:

[Mon Jan 06 12:15:42 2014] You told hyjal, 'yo'
[Mon Jan 06 12:19:08 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'hello'
[Mon Jan 06 12:20:27 2014] You told hyjal, 'I just wanted to ask if anyone had chatted with you about the whole tier2 rotation thing'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:10 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'awaiting gm response myself'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:53 2014] You told hyjal, 'what do you mean?'
[Mon Jan 06 12:21:54 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:37 2014] You told Hyjal, 'if you don't want to play by the rotation I don't think they'll stop you'
[Mon Jan 06 12:23:38 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'Sorry, I am A.F.K. (Away From Keyboard) right now.'

[Mon Jan 06 12:54:04 2014] Subways tells you, 'was your tell earlier about that teir 2.1 non-sense , cause i know we have targets in mind today'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:13 2014] You told Subways, 'shrug I just wanted to know ifi you were planning to join the rotation thing, and the answer seems to be no, so we'll plan accordingly'
[Mon Jan 06 12:55:49 2014] Subways tells you, 'im not an officer , and until 5 mins ago i never heard of any teir 2 guild rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:01 2014] You told subways, 'I don't really think going against it will work out for you but <shrug>'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:09 2014] You told subways, 'thats why I asked if you had heard about it'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:27 2014] You told subways, 'well I tried to ask, Hyjal immediately went afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:44 2014] Subways tells you, 'not sure im trying to get his phone number'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:51 2014] Subways tells you, 'since he has been afk'
[Mon Jan 06 12:56:54 2014] You told Subways, 'my point was this'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:07 2014] You told Subways, 'if you guys want to join I would support you '
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:21 2014] You told Subways, 'because imo rotations don't work unless you allow people to join that want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:57:26 2014] You told Subways, 'but youhave to want to'
[Mon Jan 06 12:59:20 2014] Subways tells you, 'will update as soon as i hear from him'
[Mon Jan 06 13:00:01 2014] You told Subways, 'alright'
[Mon Jan 06 13:51:06 2014] Subways tells you, 'aparently he wants no part of that rotation'
[Mon Jan 06 13:56:48 2014] Subways tells you, 'also a GM told him that thread means nothing, guilds can FFA whatever up to 3 targets ect'
[Mon Jan 06 14:08:39 2014] You told subways, 'yes its purely a player agreement. And I was fairly sure he wasn't interested, I just wanted to put it out there and make sure.'

In other words, I tried. And if Lord Bob had said they wanted to reroll targets and join the rotation, I would have supported them even though Qelen somehow snagged VS for us. And if they decided they wanted to join the rotation today I would still support them.

And Argh, you have been starting multiple threads about Knights and Supremacy and such should be in the rotation. If they want to join, they are welcome to talk to us. In the mean time, The Alliance showed up with 5 people. I mean, I am all for low numbers, but come on.

[JayN]

Lord bob wasn't included in any of the "Raid Summit" chats, and don't think that's because we wanted nothing to do with it. We were told our input wasn't wanted. And this TIER 2 COALITION you speak of. Could you kindly link me to where on the forums there was an agreed rotation for tier 2 mobs? thanks

WHO WOULDA THOUGHT IT WAS THE TIER 2 SHIT TALKERS WHOM WERE TOXIC ALL ALONG!?!?

NOWAI:eek::eek::eek:

[khanable]

WHO WOULDA THOUGHT IT WAS THE TIER 2 SHIT TALKERS WHOM WERE TOXIC ALL ALONG!?!?

NOWAI:eek::eek::eek:

this guy didn't read the thread

[The Situation]

Tier 2 is working great together, with one exception. Looking forward to watching Indignation, Supremacy, and Knight who Say Ni get their targets next while Dolj keeps competing with some imaginary foe.

[Argh]

And Argh, you have been starting multiple threads about Knights and Supremacy and such should be in the rotation. If they want to join, they are welcome to talk to us. In the mean time, The Alliance showed up with 5 people. I mean, I am all for low numbers, but come on.

I started one thread about this. I'm not in here supporting the Doljabronis or any other guilds in dissent of any agreement reached by T2 guilds. We showed up not knowing that there was a rotation enacted (Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help). Seeing the forces amassed by AG and Doljabronis we didn't bother getting anyone else to come. Also, to my knowledge, it wasn't publicly released which targets belonged to which guild. Doing this might relieve any sort of confusion/sniping in the future.

[Erati]

posting targets woulda made it easier for other guilds to screw with it as well

again they posted the raid rules Sun night and the raids were "open" the next day, literally no time to do much of anything in terms of posting

[svenghali]

Be respectful to others. We have wishes and a desired playstyle that differs from yours. Lord bob got excluded from all raid discussions. Lord bob got excluded from the tier 2 rotation. Lord bob wishes to raid. Lord bob doesn't want a rotation. We wiped at 20-25% on our first dragon attempt with 27 ish, 3 clerics, and half of our dps lvl 53 and lacking resist gear.

Show respect and you will be shown respect in return. This is what is lacking from the current raid climate, not some required carebear rotation to allow everyone to faceroll dragon loots.

[The Situation]

I started one thread about this. I'm not in here supporting the Doljabronis or any other guilds in dissent of any agreement reached by T2 guilds. We showed up not knowing that there was a rotation enacted (Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help). Seeing the forces amassed by AG and Doljabronis we didn't bother getting anyone else to come. Also, to my knowledge, it wasn't publicly released which targets belonged to which guild. Doing this might relieve any sort of confusion/sniping in the future.

I thought it was made pretty clear that any capable guild wanting in on the rotation only had to talk to the T2 leaders about it. Why post the targets? The guilds that don't want in the rotation are assumed to either not want a mob, or want to compete. Dolj wanted to compete. I see no point in them knowing that A-Team (one of the smallest T2 guilds) would be at VS (one of the easiest targets).

[The Situation]

Be respectful to others. We have wishes and a desired playstyle that differs from yours. Lord bob got excluded from all raid discussions. Lord bob got excluded from the tier 2 rotation. .

Lord Bob excluded themselves. A distinction that should be noted.

[svenghali]

You can flame us all you want, and argue all you want.

We were not included in raid discussion nor were we included in this initial tier 2 server rotation.

Not that we want to be a part of any rotation any how. Good luck to you all, we aren't really as bad as you all make us out to be.

Respect.

[The Situation]

Fuck you!

[oldschooltrader]

Lord Bob excluded themselves. A distinction that should be noted.

this lol

Lord Bob is excluded now when we have 3 dif guild reps for T2 posting about reaching out

AG even offered to share Tal with you guys....

it seems your primary focus is doing whatever the fuck you want rather than respect others on this same sandbox

see Sky rotation

[Splorf22]

Be respectful to others. We have wishes and a desired playstyle that differs from yours. Lord bob got excluded from all raid discussions. Lord bob got excluded from the tier 2 rotation. Lord bob wishes to raid. Lord bob doesn't want a rotation. We wiped at 20-25% on our first dragon attempt with 27 ish, 3 clerics, and half of our dps lvl 53 and lacking resist gear.

Show respect and you will be shown respect in return. This is what is lacking from the current raid climate, not some required carebear rotation to allow everyone to faceroll dragon loots.

Dude I just posted logs of me talking to two people in your guild about the rotation (and offering my support) several hours before the repops. Your guild leader responded by immediately going AFK, and I only received any information at all because Subways tracked him down (thanks man).

[toosweet]

What is to be done if lord bob does not want to be in on the t2 rotation but wants to go after tier 2 spawns?
Are they not allowed?
Are there rules in place to exclude guilds that dont want to be on rotation from boss kills?
Are new or up and coming guilds going to be shut out by t2?

[oldschooltrader]

what i would love to see is the GMs decide their playstyle fits the T1 guilds then the crews you should b competing with can show u how far you still have to go

[Verenity]

Lord Bob break Fay yet?

[svenghali]

I'm going to bow out before this devolves any further. I would just like to ask, do you all think this is constructive? BDA's co-leader calling us out in RNF to flame us while the entire server jumps on the bandwagon, and at the same time asking us to cave to you all's demands of a rotation?

[Autotune]

Any guild that keeps T2's on their toes is cool with me.

or are the top "T2" guilds afraid of some random ass guild?

[The Situation]

What is to be done if lord bob does not want to be in on the t2 rotation but wants to go after tier 2 spawns?
Are they not allowed?
Are there rules in place to exclude guilds that dont want to be on rotation from boss kills?


Lord Bob can do what they want. But they're essentially competing against every combined T2 guild for mobs, as others have agreed to help each other.

Are new or up and coming guilds going to be shut out by t2?

Do you even read threads?

[oldschooltrader]

What is to be done if lord bob does not want to be in on the t2 rotation but wants to go after tier 2 spawns?
Are they not allowed?
Are there rules in place to exclude guilds that dont want to be on rotation from boss kills?
Are new or up and coming guilds going to be shut out by t2?

not at all but the majority of T2 is trying to establish friendly relationships amongst each other and a rotation

if the up and coming guild wishes to join they simply began COMMUNICATING or b like Bob and turn a cold shoulder then QQ that they werent included

[Autotune]

I would personally love to see several different rotations set up for the same spawns in T2.

like 2 or 3 different collections of guilds all with their own rotation agreements fighting it out over spawns.

[svenghali]

I'm going to bow out before this devolves any further. I would just like to ask, do you all think this is constructive? BDA's co-leader calling us out in RNF to flame us while the entire server jumps on the bandwagon, and at the same time asking us to cave to you all's demands of a rotation?

[oldschooltrader]

I would personally love to see several different rotations set up for the same spawns in T2.

like 2 or 3 different collections of guilds all with their own rotation agreements fighting it out over spawns.

with Europa T2 has all hours of the day locked

til we have to log off to go to work/b with our family

[Autotune]

don't fucking quote your "I am leaving message"

just fuck off already

[JayN]

Didnt Ateam Snipe VS from BDA, then gms de-popped everything else?

Confirmed Tier two more toxic then Tier one!

[Troubled]

We were not included in raid discussion nor were we included in this initial tier 2 server rotation.


[Mon Jan 06 14:11:15 2014] You told hyjal, 'hey, this is troubledour of bda. is what im hearing correct in that doljon does not wish to be part of the gentlemen's agreement in t2 and rotate repop mobs?'
[Mon Jan 06 14:45:59 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'what rotation?
[Mon Jan 06 14:46:51 2014] You told Hyjal, 'the guilds currently interested that have started a rotation among ourselves are bda, ateam, taken, divinity, europa and azure guard'
[Mon Jan 06 14:47:26 2014] You told Hyjal, 'any guild is welcome to join in the spirit of letting everyone join in the fun without bumping heads'
[Mon Jan 06 14:48:06 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'not interested.'
[Mon Jan 06 14:48:10 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'thanks tho'
[Mon Jan 06 14:48:22 2014] You told Hyjal, 'alright gl :)'
[Mon Jan 06 14:48:29 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'if something changes ill let ya know'
[Mon Jan 06 14:48:36 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'as of now, 7 guild rotation sounds rough'
[Mon Jan 06 14:50:44 2014] You told Hyjal, 'i would think going up a 6 guild coalition that has already picked targets would be tougher *shrug*'
[Mon Jan 06 14:51:12 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'the way i look at it. nobody can be 2 places at once. so we are guaranteed 1 target either way'
[Mon Jan 06 14:51:17 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'if someones slow, we get 2.'
[Mon Jan 06 14:51:24 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'sounds like a good deal to me.'
[Mon Jan 06 14:51:58 2014] You told Hyjal, 'sure if ya can pull it off! bout the same as we're all gonna get regardless'


Good luck, and I hope you do well and move right on up to T1 and enjoy what competition turns into p99.

[oldschooltrader]

does anyone else wanna tell Svenghali that RnF isnt for constructive discussion


he probably should voice his opinion on the raid forums oh wait he refused to take part

hmm

[The Situation]

Over/under on how many more posts until svenghali comes back to tell everyone he's leaving again?

[Daldolma]

hyjal is dredge FYI

[Swish]

An agreement bar one guild among 6-7 T2 guilds is still an agreement. I'd threaten again to withhold Velious raiding content if they don't get in line with everyone else.

[Splorf22]

[Mon Jan 06 14:51:12 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'the way i look at it. nobody can be 2 places at once. so we are guaranteed 1 target either way'
[Mon Jan 06 14:51:17 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'if someones slow, we get 2.'

The more I hear about Hyjal, the more I think he's seriously underestimating how shit stuff dies here. Remember that if Azure Guard was teleported to a server in the year 2000 they would make Fires of Heaven cry.

[The Situation]

hyjal is dredge FYI

Isn't he the fat piece of shit that wanted to go to fat camp?

[CodyF86]

]Didnt Ateam Snipe VS from BDA[/B], then gms de-popped everything else?

Confirmed Tier two more toxic then Tier one!

Nope. :)

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Lazie]

I'm actually proud of you guys. Get them levels and resist gear, so that the 40 man fails turn into 16 man kills.

Also Ecko Remember to stand under the dragon when you nuke.

[The Situation]

[Mon Jan 06 14:51:12 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'the way i look at it. nobody can be 2 places at once. so we are guaranteed 1 target either way'
[Mon Jan 06 14:51:17 2014] Hyjal tells you, 'if someones slow, we get 2.'

The more I hear about Hyjal, the more I think he's seriously underestimating how shit stuff dies here. Remember that if Azure Guard was teleported to a server in the year 2000 they would make Fires of Heaven cry.

I think he doesn't know that soon, Knights, Supremacy, et al will be on the rotation, and so a guild will be at almost every spawn, with the reinforcement of the other guilds if Djol tries to contest one of them.

Not only will they not potentially get two - they'll more likely end up with jack shit.

[CodyF86]

Didnt Ateam Snipe VS from BDA

ffs, whoops above lol.

Aaradin
The A-team

[log]

My point being there is no distinct Tier 2 Guild rotation outlined anywhere.

As a matter of fact from what I've read there may not be one at all. It seems to me you all are so quick to jump on the bandwagon on some so called "fair rotation" when there is no public knowledge on the forums on who is dictating who gets which mobs.

I'm not here to defend doljon explicitly, moreso trying to understand what exactly is going on with tier 2 rotation 'for those guilds not included in raid summit', we are in the dark and that's not right for this thing to be fair to everyone like you guys claim.

How does one know if the rotation is fair and too there liking if there is nothing on the forums about it except for some vague discussion not really setting anything definitive.
Perhaps someone can answer these so it is known.

How are raid mobs being chosen for the tier 2 rotation? According to the GM's the only thing set in stone is that the tier 2 mobs are ffa.

and again i am quoting splorf.

As for the Tier2 rotation: I don't think it will last as a rotation beyond today. If we don't know the time in advance, I could see The A-Team having anywhere from 5-20 players depending on the time of day and how people's schedules happen to work out. So I think the Tier2 rotation will become more of a 'play nice agreement': coordinate where we go to minimize wasted effort, don't leapfrog or other nonsense, try to give everyone a shot at the best targets, etc. Of course, there is one guild that has no intention of playing nice, which brings us to <Lord Bob>

You guys keep us in the dark, flame us when the chosen few members do speak up.

[The Situation]

Have you ever played EQ?

Typically, player enforced rotations are agreed upon by guild leaders.

To be a part of it, you contact a guild leader of said rotation.

[Argh]

Remember that if Azure Guard was teleported to a server in the year 2000 they would make Fires of Heaven cry.

Lol, though it didn't really take much to make Furor cry/raaaaage. A dirty emote during an AoW encounter might have been enough.

[Splorf22]

You guys keep us in the dark, flame us when the chosen few members do speak up.

Two people have already posted logs in this thread about how they tried to talk to Hyjal and he blew them off. What more do you want us to do?

Also I don't think I've flamed anyone in this thread. I'm not angry, just sad that even after the staff did their part there are still people who don't just want to relax a bit.

[Troubled]

My point being there is no distinct Tier 2 Guild rotation outlined anywhere.

As a matter of fact from what I've read there may not be one at all. It seems to me you all are so quick to jump on the bandwagon on some so called "fair rotation" when there is no public knowledge on the forums on who is dictating who gets which mobs.

I'm not here to defend doljon explicitly, moreso trying to understand what exactly is going on with tier 2 rotation 'for those guilds not included in raid summit', we are in the dark and that's not right for this thing to be fair to everyone like you guys claim.

How does one know if the rotation is fair and too there liking if there is nothing on the forums about it except for some vague discussion not really setting anything definitive.
Perhaps someone can answer these so it is known.

How are raid mobs being chosen for the tier 2 rotation? According to the GM's the only thing set in stone is that the tier 2 mobs are ffa.

and again i am quoting splorf.

As for the Tier2 rotation: I don't think it will last as a rotation beyond today. If we don't know the time in advance, I could see The A-Team having anywhere from 5-20 players depending on the time of day and how people's schedules happen to work out. So I think the Tier2 rotation will become more of a 'play nice agreement': coordinate where we go to minimize wasted effort, don't leapfrog or other nonsense, try to give everyone a shot at the best targets, etc. Of course, there is one guild that has no intention of playing nice, which brings us to <Lord Bob>

You guys keep us in the dark, flame us when the chosen few members do speak up.

Why would we post the rotation listing publicly for a guild like yours to try and prey on it?

Quit playing the "left in the dark" card. You all know very well all you have to do is talk to an officer in one of these T2 guilds if you're interested.

[log]

And again you spit some obtuse answer not really defining anything The Situation.

Which guild leaders exactly?
What is keeping it a fair rotation?

Im not asking for a list of who gets what target. Usually when you're asked to agree to something. you know what you're agreeing to beforehand

There is virtually no knowledge anywhere on these forums as to how t2 guilds are choosing which guilds get which target.

[oldschooltrader]

Log rolls downstairs
Over your Tiers
And Over Azure Guard

He doesnt read
Or PnP indeed

Hes Log Log Log

Hes Log Hes Log

Hes big, heavy and wood

Hes Log Hes Log

Worse than bad, def not good

[log]

And by flaming im mainly pointing my finger to the situation.

[Splorf22]

As for the Tier2 rotation: I don't think it will last as a rotation beyond today. If we don't know the time in advance, I could see The A-Team having anywhere from 5-20 players depending on the time of day and how people's schedules happen to work out. So I think the Tier2 rotation will become more of a 'play nice agreement': coordinate where we go to minimize wasted effort, don't leapfrog or other nonsense, try to give everyone a shot at the best targets, etc. Of course, there is one guild that has no intention of playing nice, which brings us to <Lord Bob>

Also you keep quoting me here as some sort of evidence that the rotation is poofed, and that's not what it means at all. My guess is that guilds will agree to a rotation before each repop. HOWEVER, because we don't know how many people we be on (probably only BDA/Taken have enough to kill any target at any time), when things actually pop there will probably be a little scrambling. In other words if The A-Team picks Trakanon but Rogean repops things at 5AM, we aren't going to be on obviously and so BDA might move into that spot or something. The key message though, is that we'd like to try to work something out by talking rather than racing most of the time.

Last but not least: I've been asking for repops for a LONG TIME. The A-Team is not going to sit out the FFA repops just because FE or TMO aren't chained to their sofas. We plan on racing them and maybe even winning some of the time (and hopefully coordinating with the other causal guilds while we do so). Again, I'm just sad that there are people who abhor any sort of casual attitude in the game, even if its only 2 weeks out of the month.

[The Situation]

And again you spit some obtuse answer not really defining anything The Situation.

Which guild leaders exactly?
What is keeping it a fair rotation?

Im not asking for a list of who gets what target. Usually when you're asked to agree to something. you know what you're agreeing to beforehand

There is virtually no knowledge anywhere on these forums as to how t2 guilds are choosing which guilds get which target.

Quoting for posterity.

You should read the logs posted in this very thread.

[oldschooltrader]

There is virtually no knowledge anywhere on these forums as to how t2 guilds are choosing which guilds get which target.

maybe u guys should have joined in the talks, we extended invitions for over a week and had 3 meetings

we talked ab Doljon each meeting on how we could not get a rep to the table

[The Situation]

And by flaming im mainly pointing my finger to the situation.

Are you talking about me? Or the situation at hand? I'm confused now.

[Troubled]

And again you spit some obtuse answer not really defining anything The Situation.

Which guild leaders exactly?
What is keeping it a fair rotation?

Im not asking for a list of who gets what target. Usually when you're asked to agree to something. you know what you're agreeing to beforehand

There is virtually no knowledge anywhere on these forums as to how t2 guilds are choosing which guilds get which target.

There doesn't need to be. Everyone doesn't need to know a process that's not fully hashed out yet.

If you're interested, it's up to you to find out who to talk to. Every guild has a recruitment thread and that usually includes a list of officers and the leader, who all have a hand in getting in keeping this thing rolling.

Bob was contacted by some of these people and didn't have any interest in learning about the process. That card is also a very weak one to play.

[Autotune]

Staff doesn't like rotations and this guild is keeping competition for rotations. Seems like everything is in order to me.

[Lazie]

Here is their attempt at Fay. To bring context to the thread.

http://www.twitch.tv/oshieh/c/3507008

[The Situation]

Staff doesn't like rotations and this guild is keeping competition for rotations. Seems like everything is in order to me.

Staff doesn't enforce a rotation. They've never said they don't like rotations. A player rotation is fine by them. It's easier on them actually, fewer petitions.

They fully support the Sky rotation, do they not?

[Autotune]

Here is their attempt at Fay. To bring context to the thread.

http://www.twitch.tv/oshieh/c/3507008

Those fears.

[log]

No one seems to be able to answer my questions directly which is my main concern for this whole thing.

[The Situation]

One thing this whole thing proved: Djol is definitely NOT TMO alts. They suck too bad for that.

[Autotune]

Staff doesn't enforce a rotation. They've never said they don't like rotations. A player rotation is fine by them. It's easier on them actually, fewer petitions.

They fully support the Sky rotation, do they not?

Sirken and Rogean both stated they don't like them, Rogean has said he wouldn't enforce them.

I don't see a problem here.

[oldschooltrader]

No one seems to be able to answer my questions directly which is my main concern for this whole thing.

there are alot of answers here

Troubador even has his chars name in both his sig AND forum handle

you are just in the wrong place for serious discusion, this is RnF

[log]

It seems to me that the top tier 2 guilds are trying to bully everyone in to some secret "rotation" with little to no information regarding it and we're just to assume it's all fair with no rules set in place.

[The Situation]

It seems to me that the top tier 2 guilds are trying to bully everyone in to some secret "rotation" with little to no information regarding it and we're just to assume it's all fair with no rules set in place.

That's what you got from this thread?
HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!

[Lazie]

Those fears.

Yeah.. Low health ping ponging too because everyone wasn't stacked under the dragon.

[oldschooltrader]

It seems to me that the top tier 2 guilds are trying to bully everyone in to some secret "rotation" with little to no information regarding it and we're just to assume it's all fair with no rules set in place.

ok now ur trolling us

well played... good luck bagging Maestro next repop as he doesnt fear

[Autotune]

The most powerful "T2" guilds came to an agreement to rotate with themselves and the less powerful guild/s aren't part of it.

If TMO/IB/FE had a rotation set up and another guild joined them in that bracket, but didn't want to take part in that rotation, would you guys still cry like bitches in RnF for them?

Doubt it, put your big girl panties on and stop crying over a guild that has a 90% fear rate on Fay.

[log]

if it is all fair and this rotation is all agreed upon. Why is it so hard for one of you 'officers' to state how this is all being handled.

[The Situation]

The most powerful "T2" guilds came to an agreement to rotate with themselves and the less powerful guild/s aren't part of it.

If TMO/IB/FE had a rotation set up and another guild joined them in that bracket, but didn't want to take part in that rotation, would you guys still cry like bitches in RnF for them?

Doubt it, put your big girl panties on and stop crying over a guild that has a 90% fear rate on Fay.

Other guilds were invited. I don't see your point.

[The Situation]

if it is all fair and this rotation is all agreed upon. Why is it so hard for one of you 'officers' to state how this is all being handled.

The guilds that showed up did a /ran 1000.

Targets were picked based on highest to lowest.

[Autotune]

Other guilds were invited. I don't see your point.

They were invited, but didn't take part, I don't see the problem.

[Splorf22]

They were invited, but didn't take part, I don't see the problem.

There is no problem and I am not flaming anyone. My points are:

1. It makes me sad that everyone has to enter a pixel frenzy.

2. Multiple people attempted to contact their leader, contrary to the claims of the various lord bob members in these threads.

3. The members of the guild need to seriously consider whether continuing to compete is in their best interests. From what I have seen so far they would get more targets if they joined the rotation.

[log]

I started one thread about this. I'm not in here supporting the Doljabronis or any other guilds in dissent of any agreement reached by T2 guilds. We showed up not knowing that there was a rotation enacted (Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help). Seeing the forces amassed by AG and Doljabronis we didn't bother getting anyone else to come. Also, to my knowledge, it wasn't publicly released which targets belonged to which guild. Doing this might relieve any sort of confusion/sniping in the future.

[oldschooltrader]

there is no problem

Log and his Bob buddies apparently dont read forums , send tells to peers in other guilds or do anything besides exist

they want to compete for mobs that the majority of t2 have said would like to rotate so now they have a target on their back

they are not a victim here, just not very bright to not see this coming

[log]

(Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help).

[oldschooltrader]

(Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help).

well our full agreement had not been met

you realize we can solve most things without a big forum post right

your leadership failed your guild with its poor planning

[log]

So we are to trust conforming to some vague agreement that has yet to be fully agreed upon. thanks for clarifying.

[Exmo]

(Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help).

You just don't get it, do you? They are not going to publicly post the rotation list because if they did your guild would try to run over A-Team or AG, who field smaller, and less experienced forces.

Send Chest a tell, Jesus, this isn't hard. Go post in the public Section of BDA's Forums asking for an Officer to Contact you. Hang out in the Tunnel and Watch for Cathrynn (sp?) from Taken.

It's really not hard to find a t2 officer, they all play lots and can be found.

PS. The one trick for this is Chest doesn't show up in /who all because of a bug. So just try sending him a tell.

[oldschooltrader]

So we are to trust conforming to some vague agreement that has yet to be fully agreed upon. thanks for clarifying.

hate to break this to you but

everyday, officers/leaders send tells back and forth that discuss important things

sometimes they are able to discuss so much stuff and talk to so many other leaders that a post is mostly window dressing

and again, T2 guilds had no time to write up anything as we had basically less than 1 day notice

[log]

For some reason everyone is explicitly avoiding my point.

Which guild leaders exactly?
What is keeping it a fair rotation?

Im not asking for a list of who gets what target. Usually when you're asked to agree to something. you know what you're agreeing to beforehand

There is virtually no knowledge anywhere on these forums as to how t2 guilds are choosing which guilds get which target.

[oldschooltrader]

the troll is strong with this one

i think we r done here boys, theres nobody upstairs

[Bruman]

The ONLY benefit of the doubt I'm willing to concede them is that, at the time, they were in the dark. We did it in vent quickly, because we were rushing, with the hope and plan to set up something more formal and easier for everyone to join in. That's why you can't really find anything - we haven't had the time to MAKE anything. We had a few hours on Sunday night to throw shit together.

However, SEVERAL attempts were made to get Lord Bob involved before that and during that, and we were told to screw off. Your leadership explicitly chose to not be part of it.

Any other T2 guilds have several means to contact and make sure they're included. We hope to have more formal things soon and it to be easier and more transparent (as opposed to just vent meetings).

[CodyF86]

For some reason everyone is explicitly avoiding my point.

Everyone involved in the rotation met at the tox druid rings or somewhere and
randomed 1000 for order of pick, you would know this if you would have told any of
the guild leaders that contacted you anything other than 'we are not interested'.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Lazie]

So we are to trust conforming to some vague agreement that has yet to be fully agreed upon. thanks for clarifying.

Well to be fair your hasty attempt on Fay without your player base in the required resist gear and buffs for the fight is a big indication that the leadership didn't know what they were getting into even before they decided to make the attempt. Fay is the easiest Kunark Dragon by far and you guys failed on it (Not a completely bad thing live and learn).

However, how can you try to dictate to other guilds what you should have if you can't even engage Fay correctly. Heck Hyjal is a chanter and an officer he can make most the pieces of resist gear they need to resist dragon fear.. But it looks like 80% or more of your players were feared during the encounter. I support you guys moving up and making attempts on these mobs whether it be in a rotation or trying to compete on a larger scale....I like seeing guilds kill things for the first time etc. But there is obviously a leadership problem in the guild.

[log]

Thank you very much finally an answer. so the agreed solution upon then is /random on a rotation. Couldn't tell if the situation was serious with his post or flaming me.

[justin2090]

Be respectful to others. We have wishes and a desired playstyle that differs from yours. Lord bob got excluded from all raid discussions. Lord bob got excluded from the tier 2 rotation. Lord bob wishes to raid. Lord bob doesn't want a rotation. We wiped at 20-25% on our first dragon attempt with 27 ish, 3 clerics, and half of our dps lvl 53 and lacking resist gear.

Show respect and you will be shown respect in return. This is what is lacking from the current raid climate, not some required carebear rotation to allow everyone to faceroll dragon loots.

First off, I would like to say that I have nothing against lord bob guild. I've grouped with some of the ppl from that guild and have nothing bad to say about them. With that being said....

Clearly you must not think you're getting carebear'd either. The only reason your guild is even a discussion is because the server put a leash on TMO. Before the Tier 1/2 raid policy you wouldn't of even seen that dragon let alone make an attempt at it.

With all due respect let's not forget who we are here. Most dps lvl 53? no resist? You have been carebear'd mobs more than any other legitimate T2 raiding guild.

[sanforce]

clearly they should have attempted to steal BDAs mobs, the Tier 2 pixel hungry overlords. hopefully they will correct their mistake on the next repop attempt

[Autotune]

First off, I would like to say that I have nothing against lord bob guild. I've grouped with some of the ppl from that guild and have nothing bad to say about them. With that being said....

Clearly you must not think you're getting carebear'd either. The only reason your guild is even a discussion is because the server put a leash on TMO. Before the Tier 1/2 raid policy you wouldn't of even seen that dragon let alone make an attempt at it.

With all due respect let's not forget who we are here. Most dps lvl 53? no resist? You have been carebear'd mobs more than any other legitimate T2 raiding guild.

So, you're saying, that without TMO none of you guys would have ever seen raid targets.

I hope you guys thank TMO for all their hard work and dedication.

[Argh]

(Making a post in Server Chat confirming an agreement has been reached among T2 guilds pointing to a post in which the details can be found would probably help, rather than an ambigious thread in Raid Discussion would probably help).

You're repeating my position as if I was defending yours. Your guild had multiple people reach out to you to invite you to take part in the rotation. To feign ignorance as to the specifics of the rotation is ridiculous, because any response from Hyjal other than 'no thanks, we'll get our merbs' would have led to discourse concerning the specifics.

[Hitpoint]

Staff doesn't like rotations and this guild is keeping competition for rotations. Seems like everything is in order to me.

[log]

You're repeating my position as if I was defending yours. Your guild had multiple people reach out to you to invite you to take part in the rotation. To feign ignorance as to the specifics of the rotation is ridiculous, because any response from Hyjal other than 'no thanks, we'll get our merbs' would have led to discourse concerning the specifics.

Continue bashing lord bob if you want, as i was attempting to clarify/protect the interests of all up and coming possible tier 2 guilds and players and not just doljoni.

[Hodge]

http://www.twitch.tv/oshieh/c/3507008

[The Situation]

Continue bashing lord bob if you want, as i was attempting to clarify/protect the interests of all up and coming possible tier 2 guilds and players and not just doljoni.

I think every other guild on the server has better leadership than Doljon. They don't need your help. You need a map and written directions to know how to contact a guild leader.

[Miser]

Cool, so we finally get some an arena for "fair" competition and you guys want to gang up on Dolj so that we don't get anything? Kinda like what has been happening to your guilds this whole time, no?

We just wanna play some EQ and kill some dragons. Some of you guys are fuckin' insane.

[radditsu]

Dirty lord roberts

[contemptor]

Cool, so we finally get some an arena for "fair" competition and you guys want to gang up on Dolj so that we don't get anything? Kinda like what has been happening to your guilds this whole time, no?

We just wanna play some EQ and kill some dragons. Some of you guys are fuckin' insane.
T2 made a rotation, agreed on by all of the T2 guilds that can kill dragons. You all obviously cannot. However, attempts were still made to speak with Dolj about the rotation, and you all ignored it attempted to crap all over the rotation instead. So yes, then you get "ganged up on", sure. You all threatened to crap all over the sky rotation, the only rotation that is agreed upon by every raiding guild on the server.

Give me a freaking break, scrub.

[contemptor]

I think every other guild on the server has better leadership than Doljon. They don't need your help. You need a map and written directions to know how to contact a guild leader.
Likely need a GED as well.

[khanable]

Cool, so we finally get some an arena for "fair" competition and you guys want to gang up on Dolj so that we don't get anything? Kinda like what has been happening to your guilds this whole time, no?

We just wanna play some EQ and kill some dragons. Some of you guys are fuckin' insane.

So play fucking EQ. The last policy, which has now been revoked, allowed FFA repops 2x a month.

Join the rotation, gear up, get experience, and then start competing during FFA periods.

Logic or something, what the fuck

[Miser]

Great sportsmanship here. Have you guys been pounded into submission for so long that you can't even appreciate a competitor with a little ambition and pride?

Sure, we suck right now, you got me. At least we have some fucking gumption.

[contemptor]

Great sportsmanship here. Have you guys been pounded into submission for so long that you can't even appreciate a competitor with a little ambition and pride?

Sure, we suck right now, you got me. At least we have some fucking gumption.
There is competition during the FFA section, as Cucumbers mentioned. Basically what you all were trying to do is undermine the minimal good to come out of the raid agreement. So yes, don't be surprised if people make fun of you for failing on an easy raid mob.

[doraf]

18 pages for nothing. We're all still raid suspended. Congrats to the guilds who got a chance to raid for 15 mins yesterday! TMO/IB, we enjoyed your company outside of VP for hours last night.

Time to play Rust Alpha!

[radditsu]

Dirty roberts are tmo alt guild who want to take tier 2 merbs?

[doraf]

Dirty roberts are tmo alt guild who want to take tier 2 merbs?

LOL, according to somebody in an earlier post. They are FE alts too.

[Autotune]

LOL, according to somebody in an earlier post. They are FE alts too.

It's actually my giant MQ2 box guild.

[Imba]

They will not be part of FE for long if so

[contemptor]

It's actually my giant MQ2 box guild.
Obvious lie- Your giant MQ2 box guild probably would've killed Fay

[radditsu]

They will not be part of FE for long if so

When did fe start getting lumped in with TMO as server bullies? It's almost like people have zero context.

[Coraz]

I just want to do veeshan's peak becasuse its the only classic EQ zone I've never seen.

you guys are completely subsumed with PIXEL LUST

[radditsu]

My mq2 box guild is better than your mq2 box guild

[DrKvothe]

Bob members, your leaders are driving your guild into the ground. If your guild continues its behavior, pretty soon none of the rest of t2 is going to want to group with you. It doesn't matter if you're a nice guy and a competent player; your guild's behavior is pissing off 90% of the other players between the levels of 50 and 59, and they're eventually going to hold each of you accountable.

When a player's behavior doesn't meet his guild's standards, the guild drops the player. If your guild's behavior doesn't match your standards, you should drop your guild. There are 6 (and soon to be many more) t2 guilds that will be actually getting dragon kills. I suggest you drop your guild and fill out an app to any of the server's fine t2 guilds, asap. You really don't want to be associated with these people.

[Autotune]

Obvious lie- Your giant MQ2 box guild probably would've killed Fay

lmao, I can't argue with that.

[Funkutron5000]

When did fe start getting lumped in with TMO as server bullies? It's almost like people have zero context.

Apparently the number of mobs we've managed to kill over the last ~year means we all have 8 fully VP geared toons each and a guild bank exploding with millions of platinum as well.

[Autotune]

Bob members, your leaders are driving your guild into the ground. If your guild continues its behavior, pretty soon none of the rest of t2 is going to want to group with you. It doesn't matter if you're a nice guy and a competent player; your guild's behavior is pissing off 90% of the other players between the levels of 50 and 59, and they're eventually going to hold each of you accountable.

When a player's behavior doesn't meet his guild's standards, the guild drops the player. If your guild's behavior doesn't match your standards, you should drop your guild. There are 6 (and soon to be many more) t2 guilds that will be actually getting dragon kills. I suggest you drop your guild and fill out an app to any of the server's fine t2 guilds, asap. You really don't want to be associated with these people.

scare tactics... these always work.


NO PORTS FOR YOU DOJLKJDOSIYAOUDFDABASTARDS

[Coraz]

lord bob better quit enriching uranium the port embargo is devastating to your country's people

[Autotune]

lord bob better quit enriching uranium the port embargo is devastating to your country's people

[Tongpow]

Join the rotation, gear up, get experience, and then start competing during FFA periods.

Logic or something, what the fuck


can only speak for myself rotating mobs isn't fun, being spoonfed loot killed EQ for me on live and im not in any rush for p99 to become boring as fuck also. a good analogy for this is "that kid" who never played video games without cheat codes or a fucking 100page walkthrough for any game they ever played.

ive only invested a month of time into p99 and had a great time on the "Journey" from 1 to 54 even though it was easymode as fuck think it took me a year to get 50 back in the day so if rotation becomes the law and your banned if you dont come into the fold literally zero fucks given i had fun up until the literally week i could step into the planes for the first time in 10yrs then all this werid raid rule bullshit happened where i cant even go kill fear trash for a god damn carmine robe because people who have been playing forever cant not be douchebags at VS/Trak for their god damn alts


im not mad though, really its the New bros / eqmac people who are literally hitler here not yall

[Doors]

Wants a hardcore everquest experience, doesn't play on the red server.

[Tongpow]

Wants a hardcore everquest experience, doesn't play on the red server.

when i wanna pvp i play a game designed around pvp, fuck me right?

[The Situation]

ive only invested a month of time into p99 and had a great time on the "Journey" from 1 to 54 even though it was easymode as fuck think it took me a year to get 50 back in the day so if rotation becomes the law and your banned if you dont come into the fold literally zero fucks given i had fun up until the literally week i could step into the planes for the first time in 10yrs then all this werid raid rule bullshit happened where i cant even go kill fear trash for a god damn carmine robe because people who have been playing forever cant not be douchebags at VS/Trak for their god damn alts



This is all one sentence.

[svenghali]

the majority of T2 is trying to establish friendly relationships amongst each other



can we not do this and retain a healthy/competitive raid scene at the same time?

i have grouped with people from every one of your guilds. there's no real reason for all this hostility.

[radditsu]

Apparently the number of mobs we've managed to kill over the last ~year means we all have 8 fully VP geared toons each and a guild bank exploding with millions of platinum as well.

Those 3 or 4 vp mobs sure did have a ton of loot. Ib/bda prob got more that week tmo got banned and they had free run.

[Lanuven]

when i wanna pvp i play a game designed around pvp, fuck me right?

Good thing there aren't belly casters in PVP, you would lose fast if so.

[radditsu]

This is all one sentence.

What is this I dont even.

[chief]

tier2 petitionquest lel

[chief]

1080p fraps or it didnt happen

[Nune]

can we not do this and retain a healthy/competitive raid scene at the same time?

i have grouped with people from every one of your guilds. there's no real reason for all this hostility.

Really? I agree except for Lord Bob, and from grouping with them, it solidified my disliking for the guild in it's entirety.

And don't listen to Ekco whiteknighting.. the guy who ported TMO up into Hate during our Hate Raid "on accident" when they were raid banned.

[Nune]

Really? I agree except for Lord Bob, and from grouping with them, it solidified my disliking for the guild in it's entirety.

And don't listen to Ekco whiteknighting.. the guy who ported TMO up into Hate during our Hate Raid "on accident" when they were raid banned.

EDIT: ported 2 TMO up, leaving an entire group of our raid at a spire in WC**

[YendorLootmonkey]

Great sportsmanship here. Have you guys been pounded into submission for so long that you can't even appreciate a competitor with a little ambition and pride?

That is how TMO rose to power. The fuck we're letting that happen again. Leaving them unchecked is what brought us to this situation in the first place.

[Tongpow]

EDIT: ported 2 TMO up, leaving an entire group of our raid at a spire in WC**

http://www.twitch.tv/oshieh/c/3399951 was obviously an accident didnt have guild tags on was pretty noob of me sure but i didnt expect a random invite from a grp right as i zoned in to WC

what are you implying i did it on purpose? i offered to pay for the fucking stone and when you weridos got all awkward on teamspeak i left

no good deed goes unpunished lol

[Nune]

http://www.twitch.tv/oshieh/c/3399951 was obviously an accident didnt have guild tags on was pretty noob of me sure but i didnt expect a random invite from a grp right as i zoned in to WC

what are you implying i did it on purpose? i offered to pay for the fucking stone and when you weridos got all awkward on teamspeak i left

no good deed goes unpunished lol

Ekco tells you, "fuck you bro"

lol on forums, angry in game. It's really hard to give you credit here when there were 5 people with our tag at the spires waiting for a port, then you take an invite from 2 untagged people and proceed to port. You've found an appropriate guild for you capacity at the game, as this thread will dictate.

[Tongpow]

Ekco tells you, "fuck you bro"

lol on forums, angry in game. It's really hard to give you credit here when there were 5 people with our tag at the spires waiting for a port, then you take an invite from 2 untagged people and proceed to port. You've found an appropriate guild for you capacity at the game, as this thread will dictate.



http://media.tumblr.com/3aa531f2d37a6fbf141c2936b0e1ab91/tumblr_inline_mjkw9sQHdX1qz4rgp.jpg

[doraf]

And don't listen to Ekco whiteknighting.. the guy who ported TMO up into Hate during our Hate Raid "on accident" when they were raid banned.

LMFAO!

[Babayaaga]

Cool, so we finally get some an arena for "fair" competition and you guys want to gang up on Dolj so that we don't get anything? Kinda like what has been happening to your guilds this whole time, no?

We just wanna play some EQ and kill some dragons. Some of you guys are fuckin' insane.

And ALL of the T2 Guilds want to help you do it!

/facepalm

Let's recap the events from about the time your guildtag was first seen, roughly a month ago (give or take).

Several guilds, many who have been raiding for literally years on P99, were entangled in a hopeless mess vying for a few scraps of contested mobs like a starving army surrounding the shavings of a Christmas turkey.

Much like in the wild, it was a dog-eat-dog situation, where the weakest got nothing, and the strongest took nearly everything except the few scraps that were left behind as they ravaged through whatever they found within minutes, often using questionable, unpopular methods including poopsocking, camping in alt armies while another guild is setting up to engage, training each other out, DA engaging... the list goes on.

This of course leads to endless petitions for interventions to "judge" who was entitled to engage, creating unreasonable strain on customer service.

Rogean gets fed up with the drain on his customer service resources, and in one fell swoop raid bans the one guild responsible for a majority of these complaints, and calls on the rest of the raiding guilds to work something out amongst themselves or else Velious will be released without raid content.

Taking this warning very seriously, a massive effort of inter-guild cooperation that has never before been seen on Project 1999 begins, and at the same time we see a simulated server repop while TMO is raid banned where for the first time in many player's memories, several guilds successfully engage and kill contested raid content through cooperative, pre-agreed rotation negotiations.

TMO disbands, and guilds start to discuss who will take their Plane of Sky rotation slot (a system that has been in effect successfully for a very, very long time).

TMO refugees re-form their guild, defend their claim to the Plane of Sky rotation, and enter the raid agreement discussions with strong opposition to what agreements had been made up until this point.

Server administration places a server-wide raid ban until all raiding guilds can come to an agreement.

Guilds involved in this agreement continue discussions using a variety of communication channels including this forum, in-game tells, voice communication channels and more. They continue to try and invite any guild with potential intent to raid, including Dolojoramamama (sorry can never hope to spell it).

Dolojoramamama (or whatever) continues to deflect all attempts to enter the negotiations.

Sirken and Derubel arrange a date for all guild representatives to meet and discuss the agreement. Guilds and representatives attend and ultimately a decision is made by Sirken and Derubel outlining the current Raiding Ruleset.

T2 guilds decide to continue with the cooperative rotation agreements as experienced during the TMO ban, in an effort to improve raiding conditions for all guilds that intend to experience raid content. Again, Dolojoramamama (?sp) declines to participate.

And here we are. Hopefully this sheds some light on how we got to where we are, and why. We want to keep Rogean happy. We want to keep the support staff happy. They are the reason why we get to play here and stressing them out will not be a good thing. This is why T2 guilds are being cooperative. It has nothing to do with "spirit of competition"... it has everything to do with establishing a more drama-free raiding experience until we all get more raid content when Velious comes out.

Questions?

Seriously, being defiant at this point is just silly. To most who have been following the threads on this over the past issue it is pretty obvious why your behaviour has been, in a word, mind-blowing. Now, granted you guys are new to the raid scene and as such may not have been aware of these historical issues, but now you are (provided you read this post, which is quite possible considering the development of this thread).

Good luck, and hope you agree with the rest of the T2 raid force on the importance of getting along for the health of the server from the perspectives of the players, and the server admins.

[Arteker]

That is how TMO rose to power. The fuck we're letting that happen again. Leaving them unchecked is what brought us to this situation in the first place.

note he aligned with the biggest ever Rmter guild of the server wich have a gm on his pocket and still lost .:p

[Jaxon]

Good thing there aren't belly casters in PVP, you would lose fast if so.
Oh jeez, why did you have to let the cat out of the bag?

[Nietche]

Chest, you're still around? Do the P99 staff realize that BDA consists of Chest and 20 of his alts? Everyone else quit and you took their accounts is what I hear.

[Nune]

http://media.tumblr.com/3aa531f2d37a6fbf141c2936b0e1ab91/tumblr_inline_mjkw9sQHdX1qz4rgp.jpg

And in all seriousness, why do you post streams of your guild wiping to Fay (in the WORST way, Jesus Christ your leadership is something else) on your twitch feed? You seem like a massive, self-involved troll (not that I am against that, I/we found the video hilarious seeing as 2 people we put planar gear on, that ninja de-tagged to join you all, are running around dragon feared shortly before wiping) ? AG was cool as the other side of the pillow for even allowing your guild to pull a mob they were agreed on taking. Then in some of your streams your in tells talking about how Lord Bob is going to reform based on a guild motd... lol i'll give you credit for perplexing me. If this is a calculated attempt on your part, you're executing it well.

[Tongpow]

And in all seriousness, why do you post streams of your guild wiping to Fay (in the WORST way, Jesus Christ your leadership is something else) on your twitch feed? You seem like a massive, self-involved troll (not that I am against that, I/we found the video hilarious seeing as 2 people we put planar gear on, that ninja de-tagged to join you all, are running around dragon feared shortly before wiping) ? AG was cool as the other side of the pillow for even allowing your guild to pull a mob they were agreed on taking. Then in some of your streams your in tells talking about how Lord Bob is going to reform based on a guild motd... lol i'll give you credit for perplexing me. If this is a calculated attempt on your part, you're executing it well.

didnt understand any of this sorry

[chief]

22 pages of TMO destroying the server

[mgellan]

3. The members of the guild need to seriously consider whether continuing to compete is in their best interests. From what I have seen so far they would get more targets if they joined the rotation.

Good advice, and they'd be able to attempt dragons like Fayd without having a T2 Guild standing ready to take the spawn when they wipe, and hell, T2 guilds who'd probably rez them, buff them and coach them through the encounter to success.

Regards,
Mg

[Nietche]

That is how TMO rose to power. The fuck we're letting that happen again. Leaving them unchecked is what brought us to this situation in the first place.

Idiot. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[Nietche]

Server administration places a server-wide raid ban until all raiding guilds can come to an agreement.



Sounds like a pseudo-staff enforced rotation to me.

[Arteker]

Idiot. You have no idea what you're talking about.

when he did? i was around when he was raidin with ib and perun was gettin positioned to jav trak and he shot at trak and pulled it to raid.
and VD was blaming xanthias till someone noticed who shoot the arrow was a half elf ranger (later in vda chat was trying to frame zilo :D)

[Pint]

wtg doljon for taking initiative, next time dont pick on the smallest of the tier 2 guilds though, go fuck over bda's target

[Mac Dretti]

What's Bob guild and who's chest

[Kagatob]

http://formeinfullbloom.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nadeko1.jpg

[Kagatob]

http://i.imgur.com/qHAQppm.jpg

[odiecat99]

This thread : Alot of TLDR and Situation being a giant bloody tampoooon pie. You got your mobs handed to you after years of crying, now stfu and go play with the rest of the man-children with your play nice garbage. I see this t2 shit turning into a circus of lolllzzz.

[Autotune]

That is how TMO rose to power. The fuck we're letting that happen again. Leaving them unchecked is what brought us to this situation in the first place.

lol, Yendor is so funny.

[DrKvothe]

Back on topic and in response to the critic of my last post, it's clearly not a threat, just a friendly reminder. I've seen a lot of Bob in KC and CoM, and for the most part my experience has been positive. I don't think they're filled with scumbags, they just seem to be led by someone who doesn't have his members' best interest in mind.

I don't think this sniping strategy is going to work well for them, especially since they seem to have problems with the encounters. Their leadership's attitude has kept them from enjoying Sky, and in the upcoming months it will likely keep them from enjoying other raid content. I doubt their full membership is aware of this.

[Tongpow]

and in the upcoming months it will likely keep them from enjoying other raid content. I doubt their full membership is aware of this.

no troll

hopefully Velious is out by then and shit will just sort itself out, and yeah i know epic mobs will always be a bottleneck for people who haven't been playing for years here who are in all these well established guilds

but it does kinda blow me away that people don't understand, understand not agree that for some people when we think of everquest racing for mobs is what we remember not a rotation and certainly not a rotation with the unique situation this server is in being so top heavy..etc

so from my obviously bias perspective and honestly my ignorance of this server's history to me were the good guys in all of this dumb drama. in my brief raiding experience so far ive gone to sky where we were the only people in zone did isle 1&2 np get to 3 and suddenly an entire other guild is sitting on the island with us. they get FTE on the island boss kill it np and my immediate reaction is just " gg gf " not to get mad because honestly i was just happy to be in the fucking zone again, same with faydedar had a fucking blast wiping to it not knowing its a belly caster and knowing next time might be different and that actually motivates me to log in and xp

what almost makes me go well fuck it is the level of hatred ive seen towards people who happen to not agree with another's idea of how they wanna play the game within the rules

[Babayaaga]

...in my brief raiding experience so far ive gone to sky where we were the only people in zone did isle 1&2 np get to 3 and suddenly an entire other guild is sitting on the island with us. they get FTE on the island boss kill it np and my immediate reaction is just " gg gf " not to get mad because honestly i was just happy to be in the fucking zone again...

It sounds to me like your guild leadership is completely clueless in terms of the raiding landscape here, and never once bothered to educate themselves.

I actually feel bad for you, and your guildmates. You're in for a world of hurt if you're looking to experience what classic was like, because P99 is not it.

There is more experience and tenure here. Timelines are vastly increased between content expansions. There is a much higher average population here than there were on any average server in classic, and no guild's aren't structured by timezones.

Had your leadership known any of this, you would have learned very quickly that your guild is in no position to compete... yet. Going balls-to-the-wall against the grain is going to earn you a lot of enemies. Had you continued on this path and the ban not have happened, your guild would not have lasted very long at all out of sheer frustration.

Take some time to learn about the history here, and understand why this situation is unfolding. Encourage your leadership to do the same.

[Babayaaga]

Hate it when I can't edit spelling on a post... that apostrophe in "guilds" is driving me crazy in the last sentence of paragraph two.

[odiecat99]

Hate it when I can't edit spelling on a post... that apostrophe in "guilds" is driving me crazy in the last sentence of paragraph two.

OCD ?

[Rhambuk]

Hate it when I can't edit spelling on a post... that apostrophe in "guilds" is driving me crazy in the last sentence of paragraph two.

guild's guild's guild's guild's guild's !!!!!!

[williestargell]

No the gms specifically told us our input was not wanted at the guilds summit for whatever reason. And again i see no clear rotation agreement defined on the T2 repop proposal that was linked. Why would one agree to said "agreement" when nothing is outlined. How are we to know it is fair?

I don't know what the gm's told you about those major talks. But I was in chat for some of the talks on the T2 "rotation" and it was said repeatedly that various people had attempted to contact Lord Bob, Supremacy and some other guilds and that they weren't interested in talking. Those T2's that are talking are more than willing to include you in talks and hope you'll join in the final agreement.

[Swish]

no troll

hopefully Velious is out by then and shit will just sort itself out, and yeah i know epic mobs will always be a bottleneck for people who haven't been playing for years here who are in all these well established guilds

but it does kinda blow me away that people don't understand, understand not agree that for some people when we think of everquest racing for mobs is what we remember not a rotation and certainly not a rotation with the unique situation this server is in being so top heavy..etc

so from my obviously bias perspective and honestly my ignorance of this server's history to me were the good guys in all of this dumb drama. in my brief raiding experience so far ive gone to sky where we were the only people in zone did isle 1&2 np get to 3 and suddenly an entire other guild is sitting on the island with us. they get FTE on the island boss kill it np and my immediate reaction is just " gg gf " not to get mad because honestly i was just happy to be in the fucking zone again, same with faydedar had a fucking blast wiping to it not knowing its a belly caster and knowing next time might be different and that actually motivates me to log in and xp

what almost makes me go well fuck it is the level of hatred ive seen towards people who happen to not agree with another's idea of how they wanna play the game within the rules

Ecko what happened to you man? It used to be about the music :(

[citizen1080]

Lets refer to them as Lord Doljon or something for now on. Giving me a bad name.

[Nune]

no troll

hopefully Velious is out by then and shit will just sort itself out, and yeah i know epic mobs will always be a bottleneck for people who haven't been playing for years here who are in all these well established guilds

but it does kinda blow me away that people don't understand, understand not agree that for some people when we think of everquest racing for mobs is what we remember not a rotation and certainly not a rotation with the unique situation this server is in being so top heavy..etc

so from my obviously bias perspective and honestly my ignorance of this server's history to me were the good guys in all of this dumb drama. in my brief raiding experience so far ive gone to sky where we were the only people in zone did isle 1&2 np get to 3 and suddenly an entire other guild is sitting on the island with us. they get FTE on the island boss kill it np and my immediate reaction is just " gg gf " not to get mad because honestly i was just happy to be in the fucking zone again, same with faydedar had a fucking blast wiping to it not knowing its a belly caster and knowing next time might be different and that actually motivates me to log in and xp

what almost makes me go well fuck it is the level of hatred ive seen towards people who happen to not agree with another's idea of how they wanna play the game within the rules

didnt understand any of this story

[Versus]

Emporer Rogain opened Pandora's Box imo :(

[Doors]

Lets refer to them as Lord Doljon or something for now on. Giving me a bad name.

Honestly, I thought this was your guild at first.

[Tiggles]

If everyone but Lord Bob has agreed to the raid rules, and Lord Bob refuses to be part of discussions and refuses to work with the GMs, then why not just Raid Ban them, so when they try to FFA a mob off of a guild that agreed with the raid rules, you can just ban the lot of them?

You are what's wrong with this server.

[Kagatob]

You are what's wrong with this server.

http://thebubablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mirror.jpg

[radditsu]

You are all what's wrong with this server.

[Tiggles]

http://thebubablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/mirror.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1RMCRnV.png

[radditsu]

We need more jokes.

[Kagatob]

2014, Tiggles still doing it wrong. Some things never change...

[odiecat99]

I gotta admit, that leet mspaint picture cracks me the fuck up.

[Hailto]

im curious who kagatob is in game

[quido]

I'm curious who you are in game.

[Hailto]

Kaludar-60 shm FE

[odiecat99]

FE ♡♥

[quido]

oh i know u =P

[radditsu]

Geromy pl my sk dawg.