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[derpcake]

we don't need a drastic solution to a temporary problem that will work itself mostly out come velious.

Yes, I am sure that the current batphone-guilds won't move into velious, and will permacamp stuff like vindi / KT etc, until they can move upwards.

Meaning everyone not in those batphone guilds has acces to 0 raid content in velious.

I know you think this will be great, but people like you reasoning that way has brought the server to its current stage.

A permanent solution is needed.

If you deplace this problem to velious, TMO-like people, of which there are an abundance on this server, will just farm Kael 500 times until everyone and their grandchildren has forgotten about EQ. That doesn't sound like a promising future for P99.

I am perfectly ok with guilds dominating, reward for play, etc ... but is an EMU server really the place for that?

I was in a top 5 EQlive guild for over 10 years, and sure, I often thread on casual toes.

But 14 years after the content went live?

Batphoning it?

Some people really need a non-EQ hobby, this is coming from someone that once had 11k posts on eqlive :p

[Autotune]

You are so worthless. Rogean implied his list of 9 wasn't complete. How can you possibly not understand this? Is the education system in Alabama really this terrible?


Oh, guess we are all waiting on the future raiding guilds that haven't been made yet guys... let's all wait for their vote.

[derpcake]

You are so worthless. Rogean implied his list of 9 wasn't complete. How can you possibly not understand this? Is the education system in Alabama really this terrible?

Can I ask what guild you are in? I see you post regularly but have no idea.

Before you ask, I'm in a 1-man guild!

Everyone rocks and completely agrees with leadership. Parses support this.

[Autotune]

Can I ask what guild you are in? I see you post regularly but have no idea.

Before you ask, I'm in a 1-man guild!

Everyone rocks and completely agrees with leadership. Parses support this.

He is the king of coattails in < The Mystical Order >

[derpcake]

Oh, guess we are all waiting on the future raiding guilds that haven't been made yet guys... let's all wait for their vote.

Look, I am pretty sure if I started now I would have a 30 man guild of lvl 60s (way stronk for content) by monday.

Everyone and their grandmother has 13 alts they don't really play but could / would.

[derpcake]

He is the king of coattails in < The Mystical Order >

You are in TMO also if I understood correctly?

[Autotune]

You are in TMO also if I understood correctly?

No and I won't be returning to them.

[Fountree]

Derpcake how about we just have the GMs dictate how everyone plays their character when they log on; they get a message about which zone they're allowed to play in based on how powerful they are and how many alts they have. You happy now bro? You're one of those guys who can overlook a monstrous dictator if the ends justify the means. Where did freedom go on this server? Looks like its gone because some ppl couldn't hang and now need to cry. Some fucking WoW morons up in here right now.

Oh, and get the hell out of our EverQuest. "Our" meaning those who choose to play competitively, like the game was meant to be played.

Just release velious already and spread the raid content out, it's not very difficult. The incompetence in not realizing this is just utterly frustrating.

[falkun]

like the game was meant to be played.

"Variance, the way EverQuest was meant to be played." - Fountree of <TMO>

Except Variance was added by Rogean & Co. And now they're refining the way the players are allowed to interact with Variance. I'm sure everyone would love not having variance, we could all show up 5min before spawn and have 300person circlejerks for FTE, because every single timer would be known.

[Fountree]

Yes, I specifically said "Variance" there. Way to quote on something never typed. You're a smart one.

[derpcake]

Derpcake how about we just have the GMs dictate how everyone plays their character when they log on; they get a message about which zone they're allowed to play in based on how powerful they are and how many alts they have. You happy now bro? You're one of those guys who can overlook a monstrous dictator if the ends justify the means. Where did freedom go on this server? Looks like its gone because some ppl couldn't hang and now need to cry. Some fucking WoW morons up in here right now.

You should be quite happy that I am not the server owner.

I would keep all of the 86 TMO accounts banned. You should not share accounts with those you don't trust, and you will be held liable for any actions taken on your account.

This is the policy that is on live. Its classic. I hear people on this server LOVE CLASSIC.

2nd I would offer an exchange service for 1 month, you can get an item or another favor in exchange for letting me ban a lvl 60 alt of your picking.

3rd I would delete, with a 2 day warning, all characters level 50+ which have been played less then 80 hours in 1 year. Petitions to restore them would be looked at on an individual basis, and require the character to be played as a main - full time, or to remain in the void.

4th I would actively look for high end guilds / characters exploiting, and ban them in the most public way possible.

5th and finally I would make it entirely clear that Pareto does not apply on my server, and that I won't allow a minor percentage of the population to occupy a major percentage of available CS time.

Guess what bro? P99 wouldn't care, the hardcore would keep hardcoring - or not, either is ok, and the remaining people would enjoy P99.

You ask about freedom? You are a funny man.

Your freedom ends where you start limiting the freedom of another. That is exactly what the batphone people are doing.

I know, because I've done it on live myself.

While I could understand and perhaps even support you 10 years back, as a player with disregard for the community and no long-term vision, as a server-admin, and even as a casual player, these days I have to say: fuck off.

P99 isn't about you or the top raiders. Its about the remaining 95%, that make this server interesting enough to play on.

This might be news, but noone really gives a fuck about VP kills or Trakanons on this server. Let me know when TMO or another guild page hits FoH like page visits, and has Furor like influence.

Until that day you just a bunch of guys doing something which was trivial for every respectable EQ char 5 years ago, so really, noone gives a fuck. Get rid of that idea, its hindering your sight.

[falkun]

Yes, I specifically said "Variance" there. Way to quote on something never typed. You're a smart one.

You say the way the game was meant to be played. It was never meant to be played with Variance, everything was supposed to spawn 3 or 7 days later. So lets play it the way it was meant to be played, a giant FTE-fest every 3 and 7 days.

[Fountree]

Why is the batphone limiting? It's well within the grasp of others to do the same thing. You just choose not to take advantage of that tactic. Sorry, you lose now.

I don't care about live either, could care less about your old guilds and your old exploits. P99 is about Classic EverQuest. That needs to preserve a competitive atmosphere of some kind or it's no longer EQ. Sorry.

[derpcake]

You guys are like a bunch of 35-year olds that are batphoning to keep a kids ride occupied.

Thanks to your vigilant efforts hardly any of the kids have been given their moment of fun.

Its pretty epic to me, this discussion - I had it all on EQlive - 10 years ago. At that point there was still a solid serverwide competition, and everything was fought over;

- access to older zones without getting key
- free AA
- shortcut to epic 2.0
- boosts to lower level content
- xp bonus (who needs it when max AA)
- .....

Good times.

Now tell me I have entitlement issues, I should go back to WoW, and EQ is not a daycare.

I'll care a lot!

[Fael]

Xasten speaks the truth.

These negations are entirely artificial. If you removed Rogean from the equation, then the casuals would have gladly accepted the original offers. It would have been more than their wildest dreams come true.

Then again, if you remove Rogean from the equation, TMO/FE/IB wouldn't have offered what they offered.

Each side lacks any bargaining power whatsever. The GM staff have it all, but claim to be unwilling to use it. Each side now is simply holding out in hopes that Rogean ultimately will dictate a compromise more favorable to their terms.

A forced compromise is not a compromise. Oh: and 5/9 guilds is only a majority if every guild had the same vote, power, etc. IB/FE/TMO have just as many active people as those 5 put together.

Dolic




Dolic

[Fountree]

Deajay, I'd be fine if they removed variance. Let's do it and start the poopsocking and FTEing. Will make the server much more unpleasant probably, but at least it's not a rotation.

The key to all this is really simple: release velious or start a new blue on a correct timeline. This isn't the players fault, this isn't the GMs fault, this is purely the fault of the extended timeline and the top-heavy scene its created. I'd say 85-90% of the dissatisfaction coming from players over the raid scene really boils down to "hey, I'm 60 I want to raid and get loot now" ...oh crap I can't get loot cuz this guilds dominating. RAAAGE

[Nirgon]

This line at Chipotle is like 20 minutes. Reminds me of variance + calendar.

[derpcake]

Why is the batphone limiting? It's well within the grasp of others to do the same thing. You just choose not to take advantage of that tactic. Sorry, you lose now.

I don't care about live either, could care less about your old guilds and your old exploits. P99 is about Classic EverQuest. That needs to preserve a competitive atmosphere of some kind or it's no longer EQ. Sorry.

The batphone is a lifestyle.

While you may think it is grand to wake up in the middle of the night, to kill a dragon I could solo AFK with any of my 3 alts on eqlive, other people might just not care as much.

Or you know, they could have stuff like jobs and families, and while I'm sure your lesbian-pornstar-wife and 3 harvard kids have no issues with you waking up in the middle of the night to "slay the dragon", not everyone is as fortunate as you.

Please give these fine people, wether they care less or have less fortunate real lives then you, a moment of thought.

They would like to "slay the dragon", you understand this - you get up for it in the middle of the night.

One day they would perhaps also like to "join the uberguild", but I guess that is no concern of yours, and its best if they piss off now being the pansies they are.

/shrug. I think you are a fine example of why guilds like Assent, and longer Term Triality failed. Zero long term vision, alienating others, thereby killing the community and not recruiting what remains.

Again, you are on P99, not on EQlive. More I need not say.

[derpcake]

If you removed Rogean from the equation, then the casuals would have gladly accepted the original offers. It would have been more than their wildest dreams come true.

Rogean, much like me I guess, wants to ensure that this server has a bright future.

Thats not done by locking out a large part of the population from raids.

Getting rid of the top 5%, is just a 5% loss. If that serves the remaining 95% of population, its a great plan.

[Fael]

Derpcake,

No one cares how elite you were 10 years ago.


Thanks,

Dolic

[Xadion]

Deajay, I'd be fine if they removed variance. Let's do it and start the poopsocking and FTEing. Will make the server much more unpleasant probably, but at least it's not a rotation.

The key to all this is really simple: release velious or start a new blue on a correct timeline. This isn't the players fault, this isn't the GMs fault, this is purely the fault of the extended timeline and the top-heavy scene its created.

No variance with the current mobs and rules would be bad...

Come velious, a small variance of a few hours- more proper and set in stone FTE and delay tactic rules and some policy about leapfrogging etc- the amount of content, parrallel spawns etc. this would work out nicely.

With only kunark and classic it wont. not enuff going on at the same time to stop the sock- or prevent clean sweeps- sans "repops" during those usually there are more options foreveryone- esp now that VP cant be held down by a train force while outer world is taken down- now you must go for VP then others.

[derpcake]

Derpcake,

No one cares how elite you were 10 years ago.


Thanks,

Dolic

Hey I soloed more trakanons then TMO will get in 2014!

Thought that might not be quite as indicative as I wanted to be. :)

But you are 100% right bro. Much like noone cares about the elite on P99, except the elite themselves, and they really are a tiny minority.

[Fountree]

One day they would perhaps also like to "join the uberguild", but I guess that is no concern of yours, and its best if they piss off now being the pansies they are.

/shrug. I think you are a fine example of why guilds like Assent, and longer Term Triality failed. Zero long term vision, alienating others, thereby killing the community and not recruiting what remains.

Again, you are on P99, not on EQlive. More I need not say.

TMO was harshly punished first of all, (GMs issuing temp bans those who did not do anything wrong, issuing a long raid suspension for raid violations that resulted in much shorter and less harsh suspensions for other guilds in the same situation in the past)

But we're used to it.

TMO is a juggernaut and needed to be weakened, otherwise we would have killed 500 traks. Our system works, our players are dedicated + determined. People really enjoy saying how it required no skill , and yes once we made it to the top things and Kunark became longer and longer (gear got better) it became more going-through-the-motions for sure, but the time and effort put in to tracking, batphoning, leveling alts to camp at more targets...how can you say all that success was undeserved, or bad leadership? lol. Wouldn't you do the same if your system was working?

If anything, we should have rotated with FE/IB on trak/vs/ct once we knew they were capable and opened up talks for a VP rotation while we had the chance. I'm not a fan of the iron grip mentality and I understand we need to let and even help others have a chance at raid mobs. Why didn't we take a week off from time to time? Why didn't we let FE attempt Hoshkar for fun? I can't say because I wasn't in a position to make those calls. There were certainly bad decisions made but that's just my opinion in retrospect now that all this crap as gone down - as a non-leader/officer.

[derpcake]

TMO was harshly punished first of all, (GMs issuing temp bans those who did not do anything wrong, issuing a long raid suspension for raid violations that resulted in much shorter and less harsh suspensions for other guilds in the same situation in the past)

On live you'd have just gotten a straight up ban man.

Do you have any idea how many hours it takes to check logs for exploits / trades on 86 chars?

I'd rather not invest that time while doing a move which is good for the general population, then preserve the accounts of 86 hardcore people which may be involved in hacking.

Thats just me though. Rogean is much nicer :p

TMO is a juggernaut and needed to be weakened, otherwise we would have killed 500 traks. Our system works, our players are dedicated + determined. People really enjoy saying how it required no skill , and yes once we made it to the top things and Kunark became longer and longer (gear got better) it became more going-through-the-motions for sure, but the time and effort put in to tracking, batphoning, leveling alts to camp at more targets...how can you say all that success was undeserved, or bad leadership? lol. Wouldn't you do the same if your system was working?


You are confusing dedication with skill.

Getting up in the middle of the night, to log in a fungi / epic Rogue, and do a 50 second zerg, is not skill. That is dedication. Pretty much every EQ player on P99 could do it, based on the amount of EQ skill involved.

Boxing trak with 3 lvl 65 chars, is skill. Its going to take practice, and will probably always be above some people.

I mean tell me man, which exciting new techniques do your raids use? CH chain? Chain stun? I'm sure its some novel stuff.

[-Catherin-]

Why is it that all of a sudden The "tier 1" guilds that never cared for us casual scum before are now trying to "protect" us from BDA after the staff rule proposal?

Did you suddenly find some fucks in your fucks given jar? ;)

Or maybe it is because you want a guild that wants no part of your raid scene to be forced into it so you know you have at least one guild you can reliably stomp into the ground?

Taken stands to lose the most from BDA being in tier 2 with us. And you know what, we don't care. We are confident that they are going to act with some dignity. The tier 2 guilds are all of a like mind with each other.

Seems like the tier 1 guilds are of a like mind with each other too. so enjoy your own sandbox and we will enjoy ours :)

[Fountree]

Well over the course of 2.5 years or so when TMO started raiding seriously post-DA merge, we've had several tactics and strategies that were novel utilizing items, pull techniques, pull spots, train techniques, anti-train techniques (both for VP + trak), alot of which were eventually banned and/or stopped if they were seen to be exploitable or trivialize an encounter by the staff.

Think about it, over the course of 2000 raids in this time frame (roughly), you don't think there were even 200 that were non-zerg? or had low numbers? or had TMO in a position that we were not geared well enough or were lacking in some sort of fashion? Nope. It was all trivial right?

[derpcake]

Well over the course of 2.5 years or so when TMO started raiding seriously post-DA merge, we've had several tactics and strategies that were novel utilizing items, pull techniques, pull spots, train techniques, anti-train techniques (both for VP + trak), alot of which were eventually banned and/or stopped if they were seen to be exploitable or trivialize an encounter by the staff.

Think about it, over the course of 2000 raids in this time frame (roughly), you don't think there were even 200 that were non-zerg? or had low numbers? or had TMO in a position that we were not geared well enough or were lacking in some sort of fashion? Nope. It was all trivial right?

I'm sure its the usual stuff, where a key group of excellent players carries the rest.

What do you want me to say? Grats on beating content well over 10 years old?

Yea, sorry but I don't believe in congratulating someone for inventing the wheel in 2014. I'd tell them to aim higher.

And the stuff you consider unique, well, .. I'm sure your 200? main guild innovated a lot more then the 20? 30? eqlive servers with good populations during the era. What a joke. I know exploits from live that still work here, because there is obviously no way that 10k players could test as much as 200k players could.

Then again you think you've invented warm water and are the next coming of jezus so whatever.

Please; look at this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Nokia8210.jpg

This is a cellphone from 1999. The top end model, note.

You are reinventing the nokia 8210 in 2014, and think you have skill.

Sorry man, really.

[falkun]

Yea, sorry but I don't believe in congratulating someone for inventing the wheel in 2014. I'd tell them to aim higher.

The A-Team (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83868) - Spiroc Lord with 7.

[derpcake]

The A-Team (http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83868) - Spiroc Lord with 7.

Yea.

Shall I list some actual serverwide firsts I got on EQlive? List will be lengthy.

Wait you don't care. About stuff on live servers, when content was actual, etc.

Its nice and I hope you had fun, so there is that.

[Fountree]

No it's ok, we all know you suck already.

Enjoy your peace pipe tag on p99 because no ones gonna want that ego in their guild.

[derpcake]

No it's ok, we all know you suck already.

Enjoy your peace pipe tag on p99 because no ones gonna want that ego in their guild.

I'm sure by now most casual guilds would take me, based on this thread!

My ego is slightly smaller then my entertainment value, so it will work out.

Sorry you mad though.

[Alarti0001]

Hey I soloed more trakanons then TMO will get in 2014!

Thought that might not be quite as indicative as I wanted to be. :)

But you are 100% right bro. Much like noone cares about the elite on P99, except the elite themselves, and they really are a tiny minority.

400+ players isn't such a tiny minority on a server with a rough 1k peak population.

[Swish]

400+ players isn't such a tiny minority on a server with a rough 1k peak population.

400 TMO/FE/IB on simultaneously? I dunno...

[derpcake]

400+ players isn't such a tiny minority on a server with a rough 1k peak population.

I guess you mean accounts?

Also, how much % of their time do you think an average player spends on this server?

I haven't logged in in 2 weeks but plan to do so in the 2 future ones for example.

Lets say 10% of time spent ? 2.4 hours a day daily?

10k players won't miss 400 poisonous ones. Really.

3k wouldn't either.

There is nothing the high end guilds on this server provide, which another guild having took their place could not as well. The batphoning however, is something P99 crew seems to be putting an end to.

[Alarti0001]

400 TMO/FE/IB on simultaneously? I dunno...

During a repop or something you would probably see a good 180-200 players across the 3 guilds if at primetime.


I guess you mean accounts?

Also, how much % of their time do you think an average player spends on this server?

I haven't logged in in 2 weeks but plan to do so in the 2 future ones for example.

Lets say 10% of time spent ? 2.4 hours a day daily?

10k players won't miss 400 poisonous ones. Really.

3k wouldn't either.


Please prove the poison, also prove that you have 10k or even 3k followers. Thanks for your fantasy statistics :)

[derpcake]

400 TMO/FE/IB on simultaneously? I dunno...

Lets not go into exact math.

At 80% raid attendance that would mean these 3 guilds have 500 members combined, for about 170 players per guild.

Knowing that the strongest encounter takes perhaps 40 people, 170 people per guild?

Get real. Thats a joke.

[Alarti0001]

Lets not go into exact math.

At 80% raid attendance that would mean these 3 guilds have 500 members combined, for about 170 players per guild.

Knowing that the strongest encounter takes perhaps 40 people, 170 people per guild?

Get real. Thats a joke.

TMO's roster including inactives is 238 separate players.

[derpcake]

Please prove the poison, also prove that you have 10k or even 3k followers. Thanks for your fantasy statistics :)

I never claimed to have followers, I am just supporting the "casual" (by your standards) cause. There are more then 3k for sure!

I don't need to prove that you guys are dubious, after all, 86 of you got suspended, remember?

Were the GMs wrong to suspend you, or were your accounts played by people that hack the game? And seriously, 2 people with acces to 86 accounts?

We know the answers to that.

Sorry your strawman caught fire bro.

[derpcake]

TMO's roster including inactives is 238 separate players.

The number of my toes, including the amount of cigarettes left in my pack, equals 29.

Thanks for nothing bro.

[mitic]

threads like this made soe program instanced zones.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

[derpcake]

threads like this made soe program instanced zones.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

No a lack of resources and later content created issues, which lead to threads like these, and then instances came :p

Get your history right!

[Alarti0001]

nothing bro.

Nice you summed up all your posts.

[derpcake]

Nice you summed up all your posts.

I'd resort to a derogatory term, but I'd probably be the next guy in line.

Whatever bro, whatever.

I'm sure your guild lets the smart people handle the back-end, and talents like you to troll about.

[jaybone]

i like this derpcake guy

http://i41.tinypic.com/2daydeb.jpg

[derpcake]

i like this derpcake guy

http://i41.tinypic.com/2daydeb.jpg

I'd like to put it on my desk to serve as a vacation pick.

Can you shop the hat out of it please? People at work know I hate hats, especially white ones.

Thanks!

[August]

No it's ok, we all know you suck already.

Enjoy your peace pipe tag on p99 because no ones gonna want that ego in their guild.

I had a monk in Peace Pipe and they booted me out while I was offline! My wax wings were melted, my hubris in shambles.

[Alarti0001]

I'd resort to a derogatory term, but I'd probably be the next guy in line.

Whatever bro, whatever.

I'm sure your guild lets the smart people handle the back-end, and talents like you to troll about.

LOL. Let me know when you have something productive to offer kiddo.

[Alarti0001]

threads like this made soe program instanced zones.

SHAME ON YOU ALL

[derpcake]

LOL. Let me know when you have something productive to offer kiddo.

Yea, if not I'll just quote some older post.

Well you ahead of me there. Grats winrar.

Wouldn't want you on bleach-diet.

[drktmplr12]

http://i.imgur.com/dWTdLtJ.png