Zeelot to disband TMO if Rogean doesn't give him an adequate answer

[TMOspy99]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg


Plus bonus convo

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[Tiggles]

Look at Quickfingers being the voice of reason in the face of a hysterical woman

[Nirgon]

http://galagalaxior987.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/peter-griffin-as-batman-family-guy-5981460-591-1146.jpg

I am the terror that bans in the night

[TMOspy99]

Knix is a gold mine, she just loves freakin out.

[Tiggles]

Knix is a gold mine, she just loves freakin out.

obv

[Gnomersy]

wow i <3 you mr spy. more cometh?

[Ungriim]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120322055305/southpark/images/thumb/6/67/CashForGold00044.png/800px-CashForGold00044.png

[TMOspy99]

did you collect your money from heazels or whoever it was in EC forum paying plat for stuff like this? LOL


I only do this out of love for P99 and maybe a tiny bit of resentment towards TMO

But mostly love!

[Itap]

Will be hard to recover from this, reputation in pieces

Disbanding and starting over somewhere else might be only option

[neolfex]

wow i <3 you mr spy. more cometh?

H8

[radditsu]

<3 it

[contemptor]

It's great seeing spy shots of TMO's guild chat, since Tiggles/Alarti and crew love posting screenshots of other guilds member forums and guild chat. Especially for gems like this. Thank you for the merry Christmas TMO.

[Pheer]

LOLLLLLLL

knix complaining about hate tells when she talks shit to our members in tells when they complete a fucking soulfire quest

what a fucking diva

[Tiggles]

Will be hard to recover from this, reputation in pieces

Disbanding and starting over somewhere else might be only option

I suggested that everyone follows my example and embrace the bad guy persona since any PR work will be for naught.

We will frap us deleting the raid loot off of any non PD mob we kill the first week we are back.

[Itap]

I suggested that everyone follows my example and embrace the bad guy persona since any PR work will be for naught.

We will frap us deleting the raid loot off of any non PD mob we kill the first week we are back.

Your reputation precedes you qf

[Rangerboy]

haha this is too funny

[contemptor]

I suggested that everyone follows my example and embrace the bad guy persona since any PR work will be for naught.

We will frap us deleting the raid loot off of any non PD mob we kill the first week we are back.
Man you're so hardcore

[heazels]

inc knix ban~

[Capi]

Knix seems like that teenager that doesn't check her blind spot and switched lanes directly into your car. Then gets out of the car pissed off that you hit her car and it's your fault.

Lolz

[TMOspy99]

http://i40.tinypic.com/1621wmv.jpg

Cute you think its unnecessary Olidaen when your guild has posted other guilds vents, forums posts, and guild chat in RnF before.

[orsk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azoWedQH8zQ

[Blink]

Lol

[Apostle]

TMO your guild chat has finally been released for the final time. Now we can all see what suspicions we had will take place finally. You must be running up a tree and barking like the scum of the century you are.

[contemptor]

http://i40.tinypic.com/1621wmv.jpg

Cute you think its unnecessary Olidaen when your guild has posted other guilds vents, forums posts, and guild chat in RnF before.
.

[contemptor]

Knix seems like that teenager that doesn't check her blind spot and switched lanes directly into your car. Then gets out of the car pissed off that you hit her car and it's your fault.

Lolz
http://postimg.org/image/4vhebpytb/

[contemptor]

http://i.imgur.com/NzZdS5y.jpg
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[hatelore]

Hahha I love this shit. TMO shitted up the raid scene for so long with there douchebaggery. And now... Its all cumming full circle lawl.

And knix sounds like a fuckin fruitcake. fuckin double laff right there~

[Jizzebel]

where's Fauss btw?

[SyanideGas]

where's Fauss btw?

:cool:

[Pheer]

Olidaen tells the guild,"Im curious how much plats froovy made with his cheat"

Deathproof tells the guild:

15 million j ai entendu mais ca serait enorme
(15 million I have heard but it would be huge)

[Raavak]

Will be hard to recover from this, reputation in piecesTMO lost its rep? Reading this forum the last couple years I gathered it's reputation was that it was a bunch of jerks and cheaters. The only thing new is that they were better at it than anyone knew.

[Byrjun]

This is derailing pretty quickly, let's get back on track.

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg

So let's review here. Zeelot is proposing an ultimatum to Rogean. Either apologize to TMO, or Zeelot will disband TMO. Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Is threatening to disband TMO that much of a threat? Did the leadership of TMO skip over the part where Rogean mentioned that they had already considered disbanding the guild anyways? Are you imagining some sort of world where the entire server depends on TMO, and its disbanding will destroy the server? Because I really don't think that's the case.

What is TMO even trying to accomplish here? When your back is against the wall, you generally don't continue to taunt your attacker, regardless of who is right or wrong. This whole issue could have easily been solved with a simple statement saying sorry for harboring this cheating scum, we weren't responsible for his actions, we'll take our suspensions and return in 2 weeks. This whole TMO vs. the world stance right now is blowing my mind.

I have no bias here. I've had no problems with TMO or really any other guild. I'm content doing my own thing in The A-Team. But a majority of these posts over the past 12 hours are like something out of a weird fantasy. It's pretty hard not to comment when such a simple situation is being so awfully mismanaged.

[Raavak]

where's Fauss btw?Procreating I believe.

[Raavak]

So let's review here. Zeelot is proposing an ultimatum to Rogean. Either apologize to TMO, or Zeelot will disband TMO. Does anyone else see the problem with this?Think harder. It will come eventually.

[Orruar]

This is derailing pretty quickly, let's get back on track.

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg

So let's review here. Zeelot is proposing an ultimatum to Rogean. Either apologize to TMO, or Zeelot will disband TMO. Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Is threatening to disband TMO that much of a threat? Did the leadership of TMO skip over the part where Rogean mentioned that they had already considered disbanding the guild anyways? Are you imagining some sort of world where the entire server depends on TMO, and its disbanding will destroy the server? Because I really don't think that's the case.

What is TMO even trying to accomplish here? When your back is against the wall, you generally don't continue to taunt your attacker, regardless of who is right or wrong. This whole issue could have easily been solved with a simple statement saying sorry for harboring this cheating scum, we weren't responsible for his actions, we'll take our suspensions and return in 2 weeks. This whole TMO vs. the world stance right now is blowing my mind.

I have no bias here. I've had no problems with TMO or really any other guild. I'm content doing my own thing in The A-Team. But a majority of these posts over the past 12 hours are like something out of a weird fantasy. It's pretty hard not to comment when such a simple situation is being so awfully mismanaged.

It all makes sense when you realize Zeelot and many in TMO have an overinflated sense of self worth due to their countless months of farming dragons and feeling like the kings of the server. In economics, we'd call this a bubble that is just about to pop. Sell now to profit big.

[dav]

"It doesn't matter, now IB thinks they are better than us"

hawhaw

[Nirgon]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

[hatelore]

Fuck em, let z-boy disband the guild of douchebags. Would love to see who would absorb there members.

[Nirgon]

So you could have all the geared out people "you hate" in your own guild to secure an advantage?

What does that make you? The same as them?

Yeah, it does.

Every single one of you that I see beating on your chests is just as bad as them with the pixel lust. They're just willing to go into work with 3 hours of sleep (read try harder) to get it. Is that sick? To me, yes. However, that's the same intention just with more effort put into it.

[Tiggles]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

[kbnexus]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

It is TMO policy to report suspected RMT'ers hackers 2boxxers etc to the GM's. I have done it myself on more than 1 occasion. Froovy completely slipped out net. Probably one of the most liked people in TMO in guild and out.
We been had!

[Lune]

I'd have more sympathy for Zeelot, Eccezan, and the others were it not for unbelievable and embarrassing victim mentality they and their ilk have been vomiting... and the utter failure to take even a shred of responsibility or admit even indirect guilt. It's disappointing.

[Orruar]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

Did you even read Rogean's post? This is about more than just the recent exploits of a few. There is an entire section on the raid scene, which is pretty unrelated to the exploiting. Shit has been building for a while and nobody is really happy with how the raiding scene is going. And if we want to dole out culpability, the guild leader of the top guild on server has to take the lion's share of it. And the attitude on display by these people only confirms the rest of the server's belief that these shitbags are the prime cause of the problem. A problem which Rogean went out of his way to give the players a chance to remedy on their own.

[Byrjun]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

I'm personally not asking for Zeelot or anyone to get banned (aside from those responsible for the dupe exploit of course), the primary thing I'm questioning is their poor attitudes amidst all this. Between Eccezan throwing a tantrum and calling everyone scum and making shtity comments like "enjoy killing Tranix for 2 weeks," and Zeelot threatening Rogean with disbanding TMO, this whole thing has been grossly mishandled. The best thing the leadership could have done to maintain TMO's integrity would be to just apologize for this situation, lay low and quiet for a couple weeks, and then come back for raids allowing the server to forget about it. This sort of toxic diatribe over the past 12 hours (fueled by both TMO and anti-TMO) does have a negative impact on the server.

[Nirgon]

Turn the tables and its FE/IB who had the dupers in it.

To be fair to the other side, I'd see the same out of the other guild's leadership. Praising the GMs for finally weeding out the scum, insisting permanent bans and a guild disband etc.

Try to take a minute as the outside party and think about (especially if you are a leader/officer) if you got the news this morning that this had happened to your guild. You had no idea it was going on (probably considering it never touched the guild bank). How would you respond? The same way. You would indeed feel victimized.

[Orruar]

So you could have all the geared out people "you hate" in your own guild to secure an advantage?

What does that make you? The same as them?

Yeah, it does.

Every single one of you that I see beating on your chests is just as bad as them with the pixel lust. They're just willing to go into work with 3 hours of sleep (read try harder) to get it. Is that sick? To me, yes. However, that's the same intention just with more effort put into it.

Except that the recent announcement of an agreement between the remaining top guilds to improve the raid environment here completely destroys your "you = them" theory. Seriously, just stop talking while you have a shred of credibility left. Or you can continue your TMO-fanboi spree and go down on the sinking ship with the rest of the rats.

[Bruman]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

Because TMO didn't come out with the same attitude. Once TMO members started posting, it was hatred towards Rogean and other posters, not regretful that one of their own had shat on things.

[SyanideGas]

Hey Brubru

[dav]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".

I agree, however the behaviour of TMO leadership at the moment is just so abhorrent and hilarious to watch that it is worth making fun of.

However, having known these people faaaar longer than most of the players on this server and knowing their personalities and character makes watching them stomp around and throw a tantrum all the more amusing.

As I said before, it also helps that Froovy/Internode are not saying anything and throwing said tantrums on the forums, it's the TMO leadership that is.

Satisfying.

[hatelore]

Thats bs nirgon. I would hope we wouldn't absorb any of them. Hell, especially the ones that left us for there pixel lust. We never had a problem raiding, we had problems with stooping to there level of douchebaggery while raiding.

Trust me, I never saw tmo as a skilled guild. Tenasious mabey, but not skilled. Zergging was supposed to be for starcraft.

[Nirgon]

Did you even read Rogean's post? This is about more than just the recent exploits of a few.

I read pretty much everything. Seen my post count? :cool:

What you guys need to do, as I just posted is think about if you got this surprise (more than likely a surprise) as a guild leader.

I've watched fraps, buffed raids for both sides and found both sides have normal people who don't play 20 hours a day with 40-60% raid attendence and then players with 90% attendence for basically the last 2 years. Here's the surprise. People with insanely high DKP like Zagum (I mean I love EverQuest dude but fucking seriously how much do you love Kunark, damn) are actually the nicer people I've met.

The shitbags, and here's where this might get you thinking, are the people with much lower time investment asking for things, being dramatic and not putting the time in. Worse, they even cause most of the problems in game. Fighting viciously over petty shit like being able to take 1 of the crypt camp spawns if they aren't pulling it fast enough. When was the last time you saw Alarti/Eccezan/Zeelot doing that?

Like Rettiwalk said on red, once you've been on both sides and knows who is doing what... reading both sides trying to cover themselves yet attack at the same time is one of the most entertaining and ridiculous things to observe on a weekly basis.

10% of the population might be TMO, but I'd say 5% from both oppositing parties make up the real 10% of the server's problem.

[Kagatob]

I read pretty much everything. Seen my post count? :cool:

What you guys need to do, as I just posted is think about if you got this surprise (more than likely a surprise) as a guild leader.

I've watched fraps, buffed raids for both sides and found both sides have normal people who don't play 20 hours a day with 40-60% raid attendence and then players with 90% attendence for basically the last 2 years. Here's the surprise. People with insanely high DKP like Zagum (I mean I love EverQuest dude but fucking seriously how much do you love Kunark, damn) are actually the nicer people I've met.

The shitbags, and here's where this might get you thinking, are the people with much lower time investment asking for things, being dramatic and not putting the time in. Worse, they even cause most of the problems in game. Fighting viciously over petty shit like being able to take 1 of the crypt camp spawns if they aren't pulling it fast enough. When was the last time you saw Alarti/Eccezan/Zeelot doing that?

Like Rettiwalk said on red, once you've been on both sides and knows who is doing what... reading both sides trying to cover themselves yet attack at the same time is one of the most entertaining and ridiculous things to observe on a weekly basis.

10% of the population might be TMO, but I'd say 5% from both oppositing parties make up the real 10% of the server's problem.

This is a really long winded way of saying "you should of just sat back and let TMO have their way" Guess what, people didn't and now things are going to change.

Server needs less Neville Chamberlain and more Churchill/Roosevelt.

[Nirgon]

Thats bs nirgon.

It isn't I've watched both guilds get people buffed and camped out at Trak, keep trackers going, and rush for mobs.

I would HIGHLY disagree with saying either guild is unskilled.

TMO definitely has more higher geared alts camped out around Norrath and runs like a well oiled machine. I've seen both sides mobilize, buff and execute.

FE,IB, A-Team (almost any guild) could just as easily take every mob if they were left up. It comes down to who can get the right people on at any given hour of the day (variance), has more alts camped strategically (3 years of Kunark lol) or people not in XP groups that don't leave when things pop. Skilled enough to make the kills? Easily. After the time spent farming Kunark, God I would hope so. So everyone can stop bragging about that part, this isn't about the content being hard anymore.

Just realize with TMO gone, another guild would take its place as getting 80% of the raid mobs.

[Kagatob]

Just realize with TMO gone, another guild would take its place as getting 80% of the raid mobs.

Jesus christ, the guy doesn't know what enforced raid rotations is... The propaganda machine just doesn't stop.

[Andervin]

Jesus christ, the guy doesn't know what enforced raid rotations is... The propaganda machine just doesn't stop.

That would require a lot of support from the GMs/Staff. They seem adamant that the community police itself. I don't see it happening. I wish it would though.

[Tiggles]

Jesus christ, the guy doesn't know what enforced raid rotations is... The propaganda machine just doesn't stop.

That "guy" is responsible for 90% of all classic content done on this server and is neither in TMO or FE/IB etc.



You'd know that if you played this game instead of being a child rapist weaboo

[Prismaticshop]

Just realize with TMO gone, another guild would take its place as getting 80% of the raid mobs.

Taken and BDA are just as deadly as they want to snag targets.

TMO gone would mean a reboot of rules, and so far Taken , BDA , divinity and FE/IB apparently are talking together because it seems that none of those guilds wants to go with the same BS again.

As a matter of fact, the no trains in VP agreement between those guilds.

btw lvl 43 bard soon LF guild :D

[Orruar]

Just realize with TMO gone, another guild would take its place as getting 80% of the raid mobs.

You claim to read everything on the forum and yet you don't know about the agreement they made that makes 50% about the most any one guild will get? Now maybe FE/IB are just going along with this agreement to push TMO out and will end up breaking it and becoming the next TMO. Hopefully there are enough good people around in those guilds to keep that kind of bs from happening. Only time will tell.

[Kagatob]

That would require a lot of support from the GMs/Staff. They seem adamant that the community police itself. I don't see it happening. I wish it would though.

The community can't police itself. It has been proven here, it has been proven on live (Less than 5 servers on live out of the 40 whatever available made it work without staff intervention).

Enforced rotations or bust. Still a million times less work/more effecient than the FTE/Fraps debacle that they have now.

[Kagatob]

That "guy" is responsible for 90% of all classic content done on this server and is neither in TMO or FE/IB etc.



You'd know that if you played this game instead of being a child rapist weaboo

Deflect harder you toolbag. Make a goddamn point or something you waste of skin/time.

[Orruar]

The community can't police itself. It has been proven here, it has been proven on live (Less than 5 servers on live out of the 40 whatever available made it work without staff intervention).

Enforced rotations or bust. Still a million times less work/more effecient than the FTE/Fraps debacle that they have now.

That's bullshit. Plenty of servers had very amicable arrangements without GM enforced anything. And given that this server probably has a much higher average age than any server back on live, I'd think we would have a better than average chance of acting like adults. Except for the manchildren that sit around watching anime all day. But that's a small minority of the server.

[Nirgon]

Except that the recent announcement of an agreement between the remaining top guilds to improve the raid environment here completely destroys your "you = them" theory. Seriously, just stop talking while you have a shred of credibility left. Or you can continue your TMO-fanboi spree and go down on the sinking ship with the rest of the rats.

Make the raid calendar and prove me wrong

[Tann]

Deflect harder you toolbag. Make a goddamn point or something you waste of skin/time.

That "guy" is responsible for 90% of all classic content done on this server and is neither in TMO or FE/IB etc.



You'd know that if you played this game instead of being a child rapist weaboo

[Andervin]

The community can't police itself. It has been proven here, it has been proven on live (Less than 5 servers on live out of the 40 whatever available made it work without staff intervention).

Enforced rotations or bust. Still a million times less work/more effecient than the FTE/Fraps debacle that they have now.

Yup. Happened on my live server. We had a raid calendar for quite some time but invariably the local uber guild that was sick of waiting wrecked the whole thing. Might makes right is always their attitude. Without the GMs/Staff support of an enforced system all of this is a waste of time. A new TMO will step up and take their place.

[Kagatob]

That's bullshit. Plenty of servers had very amicable arrangements without GM enforced anything.
Prove it.
And given that this server probably has a much higher average age than any server back on live, I'd think we would have a better than average chance of acting like adults.
Yeah because the last few years on this server totally correlate with that assumption. :rolleyes:
Except for the manchildren that sit around watching anime all day. But that's a small minority of the server.

That's just cute. Blaming someone who doesn't play on the server for the problems caused by the people who play on the server. You're just as bad as tiggles.

[Tiggles]

Prove it.

Yeah because the last few years on this server totally correlate with that assumption. :rolleyes:


That's just cute. Blaming someone who doesn't play on the server for the problems caused by the people who play on the server. You're just as bad as tiggles.

You masterbate to preteen children.

You should be banned irl

[Kagatob]

Yup. Happened on my live server. We had a raid calendar for quite some time but invariably the local uber guild that was sick of waiting wrecked the whole thing. Might makes right is always their attitude. Without the GMs/Staff support of an enforced system all of this is a waste of time. A new TMO will step up and take their place.

See, someone gets it. :)

[Kagatob]

You masterbate to preteen children.

You should be banned irl

Prove it.

Again, no content, just ad-hominem drivel. TMO at it's finest.

[Fazlazen]

http://i.imgur.com/NzZdS5y.jpg
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Dont go too far or I might post the same screen but with you under and me on portsche on top!

[dav]

Just realize with TMO gone, another guild would take its place as getting 80% of the raid mobs.

I've read your posts for awhile and can appreciate what you say. However, after the new agreement that was put into place last night, and the fact TMO is now out of the picture for a brief period of time, can we at least give it a shot before saying it's destined for failure and will never work?

Even if deep down that's what we truly believe. Come on now, you're not going to get any bonus points when/if it falls apart for saying "I told you so!", so let's just try/hope something good can come of this, right?

At least as of today there's a glimmer of hope for peaceful raiding on the server, this time 2 days ago that glimmer wasn't there.

No reason to shit on it and pontificate it's failure, lets do what we can to make things better now. If they don't, at least we tried and it worked for awhile, right?

[Fazlazen]

Dont go too far or I might post the same screen but with you under and me on portsche on top!

All kidding asked you were my strongest adverssry

[Nirgon]

If you think I'm a TMO fan boy, try this.

Froovy/Internode should never be allowed to play on P99 servers, ever again.

Anyone who extensively traded with them or assisted in doing so from the time of the dupe to know, same deal.

All the port bots/trackers? Stupid to ban them. No real damage is done imo, the punishment is too weak in that regard. How many naked rangers/wizards do you think TMO could power level up to 46 in 2 weeks? I'll wager more than 10... so in that light, the punishment really isn't that severe. The punishment needs to be very severe and in the right places.

Then you get into the people who WEREN'T involved in it that might have asked "hey either of you two, mind moving my char for me?" or "yeah you can use my druid to power level" (etc) that are honestly reasonable people to deal with. Maybe you'll find out some of the names of people who are banned and realize, "hey... they really didn't do anything and weren't a person that was bad for the server's health". Then again, maybe you don't know any of them and are bouncing at the joy of a mobs being left up until 6pm everyday where the fastest guild to arrive still gets it.

Consider your guild has this surprise revelation and what you think would be fair.

Trust me, I'm all for server integrity and permanently removing shit bags from both servers. And I do mean permanently.

[Nirgon]

I've read your posts for awhile and can appreciate what you say. However, after the new agreement that was put into place last night, and the fact TMO is now out of the picture for a brief period of time, can we at least give it a shot before saying it's destined for failure and will never work?


I'm giving it a shot right now. Try the calendar. It would be fair in the sense that everyone gets a chance to do things. See how everyone feels about it.

I'll tell you this though as far as Rogean's comment on a Velious without raid gear, and I think the GMs will back me on this.

If he says he's going to do something like that, and you disrespect him. He'll actually do it.

And guess what? After he does it? He won't be in touch for another 8-15 months because he's busy with other shit. No matter how sorry both ends are, his PM box is just going to be full and he's training for some technical cert or is in Vegas at some EQ thing and... frankly just won't be bothered spending even more time reversing something very time consuming that he's just implemented.

[Kagatob]

If you think I'm a TMO fan boy, try this.

Froovy/Internode should never be allowed to play on P99 servers, ever again.

Anyone who extensively traded with them or assisted in doing so from the time of the dupe to know, same deal.

All the port bots/trackers? Stupid to ban them. No real damage is done imo, the punishment is too weak in that regard. How many naked rangers/wizards do you think TMO could power level up to 46 in 2 weeks? I'll wager more than 10... so in that light, the punishment really isn't that severe. The punishment needs to be very severe and in the right places.

Then you get into the people who WEREN'T involved in it that might have asked "hey either of you two, mind moving my char for me?" or "yeah you can use my druid to power level" (etc) that are honestly reasonable people to deal with. Maybe you'll find out some of the names of people who are banned and realize, "hey... they really didn't do anything and weren't a person that was bad for the server's health". Then again, maybe you don't know any of them and are bouncing at the joy of a mobs being left up until 6pm everyday where the fastest guild to arrive still gets it.

Consider your guild has this surprise revelation and what you think would be fair.

Trust me, I'm all for server integrity and permanently removing shit bags from both servers. And I do mean permanently.

So you are perfectly fine with a small group of people taking advantage of a imperfect system to gain huge advantage at the expense of the remainder of the population even though said small group knew it was not the right thing to do?

Just want to make sure that I understand correctly that you don't care because rules are rules and if the rules are wrong you can't be held responsible for it.

[Bazia]

Didn't know you were in atmosphere nirgon

[SniGlas]

U went from PoF to MiM Nirgon! Jeeez Turncoat!

[Bazia]

Tmo * lol

[Orruar]

Make the raid calendar and prove me wrong

They already have an agreement in place that should improve the raiding environment here. I don't know if this agreement will work out in the long term, but I give them credit for at least trying something. I'm not sure why you think a raid calendar has to be used rather than some other form of agreement.

[gooliusboozler]

We will frap us deleting the raid loot off of any non PD mob we kill the first week we are back.

what a prick

[Orruar]

I'm giving it a shot right now. Try the calendar. It would be fair in the sense that everyone gets a chance to do things. See how everyone feels about it.

I see. You think you know better than the collective guild leaders about what the guilds will find to be a good agreement. The leaders got together and made an agreement. You don't think it will work and are now shitting on it any chance you get, while proposing a system that pretty much 0 of the guild leaders think would be a good idea. Are you upset you weren't consulted before they came to this agreement? Is that why you're all over these forums with this nonsense?

[dav]

I'm giving it a shot right now. Try the calendar. It would be fair in the sense that everyone gets a chance to do things. See how everyone feels about it.

I'll tell you this though as far as Rogean's comment on a Velious without raid gear, and I think the GMs will back me on this.

If he says he's going to do something like that, and you disrespect him. He'll actually do it.

And guess what? After he does it? He won't be in touch for another 8-15 months because he's busy with other shit. No matter how sorry both ends are, his PM box is just going to be full and he's training for some technical cert or is in Vegas at some EQ thing and... frankly just won't be bothered spending even more time reversing something very time consuming that he's just implemented.

Which is all the more reason to work towards friendlier interactions and a better raiding environment and not discount everything immediately, right? :)

[Nirgon]

U went from PoF to MiM Nirgon! Jeeez Turncoat!

Man that's just how it went in the fuckin' strug, you know?


Kag I want the server to actually try the calendar and see if they are any happier.

If so? Shit, keep it.

I have very strong suspicions otherwise.

This game was about limited content and on a much more limited time line.

You need to get a bigger picture of how long people have had to work their way up to doing content that just didn't exist on a classic time line. This server is completely flooded with insanely powerful gear (people are even like "eh a CoF heh big deal") too.

Let's say you are one of the people who is annoyed that after playing so long, you don't have a wizard epic and probably haven't even seen Venril. Okay, that sucks after a year and a half and justifiably so.

Now, we have the calendar in place. You are in a guild with 6 other wizards. We'll say you're the 2nd highest deserving wizard in the guild. Your guild gets a chance at Venril every 6 times he is up (we'll forget about how a calendar is going to handle repops because we will keep this simple). You guys kill Venril 4 times and once he drops the staff. That's going to be 48 weeks you're waiting to get the item, presuming you keep up with the other wizards raid attendence.

Realize you are still going to have to be there for mobs kills and maybe when its your turn to loot the VS staff, after a long 48 weeks of keeping yourself as #2 deserving wizard... the raid is planned on a day or at a time you can't make it.

Then you wait another 48 weeks for one to drop. Think about that.

Making a raid calendar doesn't make it rain loot. It's giving EVERYONE a chance. You are likely better off, even as the #2 guild and being extremely dedicated, at getting your epic piece from the mob than in the calendar system.

In the calendar system also, presume that they can't get the people on for 3 days. Now the # of times that mob can spawn in the year starts dropping off. Maybe a rule is made that you can't get the mob if you don't kill it in X amount of time or the next guild gets it. Let's say you're the #3 guild instead and consistently have trouble getting people on for said mob and then the #2 guild takes it. You're going to be very bitter as one of the #3 guilds most dedicated players... and frankly... given your opportunities would have been better trying to just farm and buy it from TMO because you are so dedicated.

This is all hypothesizing, but consider how long you will wait for your 1 chance at the mob and the odds of your item dropping when it is your guild's chance.

Really though, think everything through, try the calendar and see how it plays out. I think you all have enough Kunark loot to give it a chance. The staff has never prevented you from implementing such a system and should it be implemented, won't interfere with enforcing it.

I think you have a very narrow view like most people in this world that taking out the most successful people will some how magically make everything better for everyone. Or that with the #1 guild gone, some how there will be 5x as many items to go around. It all has to come from somewhere, and in your system, you will be waiting in line for a very long time. That said... imagine you are the #6 wizard in the guild... you still never get your epic.

[Kegir]

Man that's just how it went in the fuckin' strug, you know?


Kag I want the server to actually try the calendar and see if they are any happier.

If so? Shit, keep it.

I have very strong suspicions otherwise.

This game was about limited content and on a much more limited time line.

You need to get a bigger picture of how long people have had to work their way up to doing content that just didn't exist on a classic time line. This server is completely flooded with insanely powerful gear (people are even like "eh a CoF heh big deal") too.

Let's say you are one of the people who is annoyed that after playing so long, you don't have a wizard epic and probably haven't even seen Venril. Okay, that sucks after a year and a half and justifiably so.

Now, we have the calendar in place. You are in a guild with 6 other wizards. We'll say you're the 2nd highest deserving wizard in the guild. Your guild gets a chance at Venril every 6 times he is up (we'll forget about how a calendar is going to handle repops because we will keep this simple). You guys kill Venril 4 times and once he drops the staff. That's going to be 48 weeks you're waiting to get the item, presuming you keep up with the other wizards raid attendence.

Realize you are still going to have to be there for mobs kills and maybe when its your turn to loot the VS staff, after a long 48 weeks of keeping yourself as #2 deserving wizard... the raid is planned on a day or at a time you can't make it.

Then you wait another 48 weeks for one to drop. Think about that.

Making a raid calendar doesn't make it rain loot. It's giving EVERYONE a chance. You are likely better off, even as the #2 guild and being extremely dedicated, at getting your epic piece from the mob than in the calendar system.

In the calendar system also, presume that they can't get the people on for 3 days. Now the # of times that mob can spawn in the year starts dropping off. Maybe a rule is made that you can't get the mob if you don't kill it in X amount of time or the next guild gets it. Let's say you're the #3 guild instead and consistently have trouble getting people on for said mob and then the #2 guild takes it. You're going to be very bitter as one of the #3 guilds most dedicated players... and frankly... given your opportunities would have been better trying to just farm and buy it from TMO because you are so dedicated.

This is all hypothesizing, but consider how long you will wait for your 1 chance at the mob and the odds of your item dropping when it is your guild's chance.

Really though, think everything through, try the calendar and see how it plays out. I think you all have enough Kunark loot to give it a chance. The staff has never prevented you from implementing such a system and should it be implemented, won't interfere with enforcing it.

I think you have a very narrow view like most people in this world that taking out the most successful people will some how magically make everything better for everyone. Or that with the #1 guild gone, some how there will be 5x as many items to go around. It all has to come from somewhere, and in your system, you will be waiting in line for a very long time. That said... imagine you are the #6 wizard in the guild... you still never get your epic.

Does anyone actually read posts that are this long? I know i don't.

[Orruar]

MKag I want the server to actually try the calendar and see if they are any happier.

If so? Shit, keep it.

I have very strong suspicions otherwise.

I see, so you're suggesting they try an alternative arrangement to the one they agreed upon because you think it would be less likely to be liked? So you really just want shit to devolve back into the shitfest that the raiding game on this server has been for the past few years. Thanks for bringing clarity to your intentions.

[Nirgon]

I see. You think you know better than the collective guild leaders about what the guilds will find to be a good agreement. The leaders got together and made an agreement. You don't think it will work and are now shitting on it any chance you get, while proposing a system that pretty much 0 of the guild leaders think would be a good idea. Are you upset you weren't consulted before they came to this agreement? Is that why you're all over these forums with this nonsense?


I'm saying please do it and give it a chance, maybe everyone will be happier.

I'm also saying there's still going to be a lot of players without epics.

Whether its playing at 5:30am to get a Trakanon or farming the plat to buy it... the most dedicated players are still getting the loot right now.

Even when you get the mob every 6 times its up... the most dedicated players among you will get it.

I know that another guild in the same position would act the same way as TMO. I know truly why the other guilds are happy this happened (loot!).

I'd say its less that I'm shitting on things and more that I just don't have the faith knowing a lot of you (without knowing it was me you were talking to) what will happen.

[Nirgon]

I see, so you're suggesting they try an alternative arrangement to the one they agreed upon because you think it would be less likely to be liked? So you really just want shit to devolve back into the shitfest that the raiding game on this server has been for the past few years. Thanks for bringing clarity to your intentions.

You're painting me as the bad guy here, where actually, I'm a realist and you don't like my prediction based on objective reasoning.

Try the calendar, I hope it works.

[Nirgon]

Does anyone actually read posts that are this long? I know i don't.

Some things are complicated and can't be explained with just a meme/animated gif.

If you ever learn a great deal about a subject, you'll find that to be the case.

[Rangerboy]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131798

[Orruar]

You're painting me as the bad guy here, where actually, I'm a realist and you don't like my prediction based on objective reasoning.

Try the calendar, I hope it works.

No, you just continually ignore the fact that they have already created an arrangement that all the top guild leaders agreed upon. Why do you keep pushing this calendar idea? An idea which you think will fail. Why would you push an idea you don't like upon people who don't like it either? You're being absurd here. Why don't we all chop off our own left hand and see how that works?

[doraf]

Look at Quickfingers being the voice of reason in the face of a hysterical woman

obv

[Betzel]

lol at nirgon, keep it coming man

[Nirgon]

No, you just continually ignore the fact that they have already created an arrangement that all the top guild leaders agreed upon. Why do you keep pushing this calendar idea? An idea which you think will fail. Why would you push an idea you don't like upon people who don't like it either? You're being absurd here. Why don't we all chop off our own left hand and see how that works?

Why does me saying I've seen how people on both sides act and making an objective prediction get you so riled?

If I can say this clearly.






I hope you guys get a rotation going and it works.

I know how the raiding players on this server act, even outside TMO.

The problem still exists where everyone doesn't get all the items they want, and I know what it leads to happening.

Maybe I will be wrong, like I said, that happens.

[Thulack]

I might have sympathy for some of TMO members if it wasnt for the fact their most vocal people on the forums Alarti and Ecc act like complete and utter douchebags. Maybe it will be alittle humbling to them when no one wants to be around them anymore cause they hung out with cheaters on the regular. lol the the threat though. If you guys think the server gives 2 shits if you disband and go ruin some other Emu your sadly mistaken.

[JayN]

TR finally killed TMO; looks like TMO shouldve donated more to server fund!

[Skywarp]

Raid sharing and rotations do work. Was on Drinal server and that system only stopped as the game became instance based. That respect never was violated Fromm 99 to 2005. As far as Zeelot and a few like him, they are condemning the condemner. Its happens when you are in a losing everything mind frame.

[Orruar]

Why does me saying I've seen how people on both sides act and making an objective prediction get you so riled?

If I can say this clearly.






I hope you guys get a rotation going and it works.

I know how the raiding players on this server act, even outside TMO.

The problem still exists where everyone doesn't get all the items they want, and I know what it leads to happening.

Maybe I will be wrong, like I said, that happens.

Again, you may want to reread Rogean's post to see why the raiding players behaving as they have in the past isn't going to continue. They're on notice and they know it. And even more, the majority of players in these guilds who are reasonable people are going to be less and less inclined to put up with the bullshit. Because they know that lowering the bar to get a few pixels/pointers isn't viable long term. It's time we start to foster a culture of responsibility for our guildmates and amicable relations with other guilds.

Why do you think eqlive had server communities ranging from utter douchebaggery to gentlemanly conduct? The rules were the same on (most) servers. The communities were the difference. And that really starts at the top. I don't know most of the guild leaders here, but it seems like they are willing to step up and come together to form an arrangement, so that's a good start.

[Ahldagor]

Nirgon is not ignoring the factor of greed like a good postulator.

Keep 'em banned, and players shouldn't share account info. I'm in favor of apocalyptic actions by the staff in this situation.

[Nirgon]

Account sharing was illegal on live. I do not like it here.

Amen.

[JayN]

Account sharing was illegal on live. I do not like it here.

Amen.

I think this is what is being emphasized in this whole thing

[justin2090]

Again, you may want to reread Rogean's post to see why the raiding players behaving as they have in the past isn't going to continue. They're on notice and they know it. And even more, the majority of players in these guilds who are reasonable people are going to be less and less inclined to put up with the bullshit. Because they know that lowering the bar to get a few pixels/pointers isn't viable long term. It's time we start to foster a culture of responsibility for our guildmates and amicable relations with other guilds.

Why do you think eqlive had server communities ranging from utter douchebaggery to gentlemanly conduct? The rules were the same on (most) servers. The communities were the difference. And that really starts at the top. I don't know most of the guild leaders here, but it seems like they are willing to step up and come together to form an arrangement, so that's a good start.

I remember doing pick up raids in 99-01 because not one guild had an alt army camped at the spawn. Vox/Naggy (CoF got ninja'd) before i got to high lvl and then Zlandicar after that. Zlandicar dropped the neck piece that got /random'd (no i didn't win it). There were more pick-up raids but those are the ones I attended. There were people /ooc recruitment in EC for the raid. This couldn't happen here because a guild would just log on an alt, heal the tank, and loot the all the items once they see the /ooc for recruitment.

Raiding just wasn't so serious back then. The 10% that muck up the raiding scene here needs to be shamed. The admins have called you out and the rest of the server is behind them.

[Orruar]

Account sharing was illegal on live. I do not like it here.

Amen.

Account sharing is an integral part of a healthy server and vital to the comm... lol, I can't finish that sentence. We may spar on other issues, but this is very true. It's a logistical nightmare to enforce, but banning account sharing and limiting people to some (low) number of accounts would go a long way towards limiting the damage of the people who haven't stepped outdoors since summer.

[Llodd]

The diference now is that the staff have spoken of their distaste in the current raiding scene. A distaste that I would think the majority share but have their hands forced by the selfish few.

Up until this point almost everything was fair game and there was no onus of responsibilty on people to interact maturely, fairly or even humanely so long as they stayed within (often failing) the current ruleset.

I have often wondered if the objective of this server was to see just how low it could go in the end game. A socialogical project if you like,. Reading the forums and hearing tales in game certainly fed that wonder. But now the staff have spoken and they are not of this mind at all, and it is wonderfully refreshing to see.

[Orruar]

Or maybe we've just entered phase 2 of the social experiment. This shit is going to be made into a movie some day, so better secure your name trademark fast.

[Ahldagor]

The diference now is that the staff have spoken of their distaste in the current raiding scene. A distaste that I would think the majority share but have their hands forced by the selfish few.

Up until this point almost everything was fair game and there was no onus of responsibilty on people to interact maturely, fairly or even humanely so long as they stayed within (often failing) the current ruleset.

I have often wondered if the objective of this server was to see just how low it could go in the end game. A socialogical project if you like,. Reading the forums and hearing tales in game certainly fed that wonder. But now the staff have spoken and they are not of this mind at all, and it is wonderfully refreshing to see.

If you do not honor the gods then they shall punish you...

[Purdee]

So Nirgon, you want people who don't see any raid mobs what so ever, mostly because of alt armies camped at raid spawns, to agree with you on the point that they will still have to wait awhile for an epic piece?

People will mostly just be happy just to get to experience the game.

all this talk of competition would hold some water if it were truthful. true competition wouldn't be guilds logging out at raid spawns. guilds would race to gather, transport and setup for the raid target after its spawned. not be fully buffed out waiting for it to spawn while some guy sits there tapping track or staring at a wall for days on end.

And before somebody says "WELL YOUR GUILD DOES THIS" It is what everyone who wants a shot at a raid mob here is forced to do because of the way its been handled for far too long.

[talian21]

This is all very entertaining and dramatic, even cathartic maybe to those who've felt shut out by a dominant and corrupt guild, BUT....

and I cannot stress this enough..


banning/deleting chars does *absolutely nothing* except make ppl move to alts/other guilds and start the same horse-shit... and TMO is prolly 7 deep on well geared alts, they are *prepared* for shit like this..

my point? ban the people, not the chars, or this is a waste of time. I am well aware of how easy it is to bypass ip bans (I'm a systems engineer) but these days there are many tools to find someone coming from the same ISP/VPN/geographic location, loggin on at the same times, grouping with the same ppl, doing the same shit. It's not that hard to catch Internet assholes, it's part of what I do for a living, I'm pretty sure it can be done with a *video game*....

Rogean was right about one thing: logs are forever, and finding ppl is just a matter of time, (not chars, ppl)

Do you really think if you ban/delete a *char* and the same *person* comes back to play, that it's going to be magically different? c'mon...

get rid of the ppl, or it'll be same shit-different guildtag.. mark my words...

-Silisk, ikky necro

[Susano]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg


Plus bonus convo

http://i42.tinypic.com/2hd03g4.jpg


First off I want to commend Visceral for helping Knix remember she's a filthy cunt. Secondly, it's nice to see she's just as much of a joke in TMO as she has been in any other guild she's been in. Let's see how far her vagina can carry her.

Known TMO since live on Fennin Ro and I've never wavered in the opinion that they are dirty as fuck, I'm tickled that I can finally say "Told you so", best Christmas gift I've gotten in a while.

Keep up the fine work and keep posting more behind the scenes info, if this were happening to any other guild, I'm sure big Tiggles would be having a field day with it.

Tinfoil hat time, maybe this is Tiggles selling out his own guild just for more attention!

[Cochonou]

http://i40.tinypic.com/1621wmv.jpg

Cute you think its unnecessary Olidaen when your guild has posted other guilds vents, forums posts, and guild chat in RnF before.

So Yapas is banned. Funny

[Nirgon]

People will mostly just be happy just to get to experience the game.


Okay so go to another EQ Emu server and plow Venril or Trakanon?

You get to experience it.

Something tells me thats not entirely the interest at stake.

[justin2090]

http://galagalaxior987.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/peter-griffin-as-batman-family-guy-5981460-591-1146.jpg

I am the terror that bans in the night

for the lolz

[Retti_]

"It's holidays, perfect time for a suspension"

Read: suspension is only way we can see our relatives this fine xmas Pras Rogean

[Tiggles]

First off I want to commend Visceral for helping Knix remember she's a filthy cunt. Secondly, it's nice to see she's just as much of a joke in TMO as she has been in any other guild she's been in. Let's see how far her vagina can carry her.

Known TMO since live on Fennin Ro and I've never wavered in the opinion that they are dirty as fuck, I'm tickled that I can finally say "Told you so", best Christmas gift I've gotten in a while.

Keep up the fine work and keep posting more behind the scenes info, if this were happening to any other guild, I'm sure big Tiggles would be having a field day with it.

Tinfoil hat time, maybe this is Tiggles selling out his own guild just for more attention!


I do love me some attention, I'm also having a field day in guildchat too.

Drama knows no guild allegiances to me.

not me though.

[Jizzebel]

hahaha , idiote :p

[Pringles]

Please to disband. Good riddance.

[radditsu]

Okay so go to another EQ Emu server and plow Venril or Trakanon?

You get to experience it.

Something tells me thats not entirely the interest at stake.

I did!

http://www.peqtgc.com/magelo/search.php?name=&guild=rising+ascension&x=-1194&y=-10


My interests are ridding scum off the forum

[radditsu]

also the game!

[Langrisserx]

Okay so go to another EQ Emu server and plow Venril or Trakanon?

You get to experience it.

Something tells me thats not entirely the interest at stake.

careful with that occams razor... once you slice off the impossible...

of course they wanna stay for RMT, obvious

[Purdee]

Okay so go to another EQ Emu server and plow Venril or Trakanon?

You get to experience it.

Something tells me thats not entirely the interest at stake.

and something tells me you should stop assuming you know what people want.

[Raavak]

Please to disband. Good riddance.We're reforming on Planetside 2. See ya there.

[Raavak]

Something tells me thats not entirely the interest at stake.
and something tells me you should stop assuming you know what people want.I think he understands just fine.

[Autotune]

I'm all for staff punishing good people severely and not really punishing shitty people at all.

I mean, that's what they've done since Uthgaard left, no reason to change course now.

[Raavak]

Rogean was right about one thing: logs are forever, and finding ppl is just a matter of time, (not chars, ppl)

Do you really think if you ban/delete a *char* and the same *person* comes back to play, that it's going to be magically different? c'mon...That's why guys like Perun and Kinsawt had to come back hiding under the names of... Perun and Kinsavvt. Those trisky guys!

[Purdee]

I think he understands just fine.

lol of course you do, WHY wouldn't you think that?

[Langrisserx]

and something tells me you should stop assuming you know what people want.

naw thats ok, we'd be stupid to listen to sociopaths and narcissists

[Nizzarr]

havent read thread,

Knix come to red, ill offer you refugee status.

[radditsu]

havent read thread,

Knix come to red, ill offer you refugee status.

Not even you want that scooch

[mefdinkins]

P99Staff (Father) - no one will act like this under my roof
Other Guilds (rest of family) - thank god she's tearing our family apart
TMO (spoiled juvenile) - IF YOU TALK TO ME LIKE THAT ILL RUN AWAY

[Nizzarr]

Not even you want that scooch

Sir,

I handle e-pussy like no other.

She'd be fine in my realm.

[radditsu]

Sir,

I handle e-pussy like no other.

She'd be fine in my realm.

It's your funeral.

A Pimp Named Slickback couldn't handle that.

[Nirgon]

and something tells me you should stop assuming you know what people want.

You said its about the experience? Why haven't they gone and experienced it? If all they want to do is kill Venril Sathir one time, go box it up on another server. Yay I killed Venril! I'm happy.

But that's not it, is it?

[Skittlez]

I'd love to see Rogean wipe the player database to zeros when Velious is release. Everybody start over from scratch.

[Massive Marc]

Has anyone asked Zeelot why Rogs would care if he disbanded ? That seems to be an important question..

[Autotune]

You said its about the experience? Why haven't they gone and experienced it? If all they want to do is kill Venril Sathir one time, go box it up on another server. Yay I killed Venril! I'm happy.

But that's not it, is it?

It's about showing off rare loot in EC on a highishly populated box.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Has anyone asked Zeelot why Rogs would care if he disbanded ? That seems to be an important question..

good point. also gogogo only 4 more posts left until planar protector status

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Wipe it clean. So sayeth Smedy the prophet. Thy will be done, thy kingdom come.

[Colgate]

wow it's like people expected something like this wouldn't happen after the holocaust v nihilum catastrophe that rogaine caused that ruined red99

[Pheer]

wow it's like people expected something like this wouldn't happen after the holocaust v nihilum catastrophe that rogaine caused that ruined red99

nobody cares

kill yourself

[Hailto]

Man knix seems annoying as fuck how do you all deal with that?

[Colgate]

nobody cares

kill yourself

mad bluebie that i likely griefed off of red99 on day 1 in innothule swamp

[runlvlzero]

watch how fast rogean gives zero fucks, there's another 100 people waiting to take your places

[Nocsucow]

watch how fast rogean gives zero fucks, there's another 100 people waiting to take your places

[Friday]

What a dumb cheating exploiting bitch.

[Pheer]

mad bluebie that i likely griefed off of red99 on day 1 in innothule swamp

mad red player that thinks the red server is some kind of elite fraction of the population with all the blue players as an audience to everything they do

when the reality is 90% of us have never even read a single post on the red side of the forums

[dwightgeary]

mad red player that thinks the red server is some kind of elite fraction of the population with all the blue players as an audience to everything they do

when the reality is 90% of us have never even read a single post on the red side of the forums

no we read them but we give 0 fucks about a 45 man server

[BlkCamel]

You said its about the experience? Why haven't they gone and experienced it? If all they want to do is kill Venril Sathir one time, go box it up on another server. Yay I killed Venril! I'm happy.

But that's not it, is it?



Nirgon seems to be taking this personally. This must have hit him close. His heart really is on his sleeve. I hope your wrong Nirgon. Even if you do have influence on this box. The agreement drawn up by the top guilds is not the end all be all, of course people will be unhappy. But it is a start, exactly the kind of start Roegan demanded in his post.

Your argument that there will still be unhappy people is obviously true, you posit it this way to ensure it will be. Of course there will be unhappy people, but you know what. I bet it will be a lot less unhappy people. I bet you will see a lot players running around with great hope, something they haven't had in awhile.

I for one hope you are very wrong, because you sound like your might be wearing the same rose-colored glasses as those that just got in trouble.

[Colgate]

mad red player that thinks the red server is some kind of elite fraction of the population with all the blue players as an audience to everything they do

when the reality is 90% of us have never even read a single post on the red side of the forums

yeah because my post implied that at all

keep writing essays about how upset you are that your guild got shit on by rogaine when you should have seen it coming

[Pheer]

yeah because my post implied that at all

keep writing essays about how upset you are that your guild got shit on by rogaine when you should have seen it coming

im not in TMO you mongoloid

You're posting the same retarded shit in every thread related to the bans hoping someone from blue will acknowledge your crying about some old drama on a nearly dead server

also lol at two sentences being "essays"

go slay a level 20 on red till they quit so your shitty server will die faster please

[Colgate]

i don't play on red

try again with another novel, retard

[Pheer]

hey guys did you know rogean disbanded a guild on red


guys rogean disbanded a guild on red

did you know a guild on red got disbanded by rogean guys?

Nobody cares dipshit

[Colgate]

you seem to care a whole lot

next essay, please, snortling hard over here

[Orruar]

hey guys did you know rogean disbanded a guild on red


guys rogean disbanded a guild on red

did you know a guild on red got disbanded by rogean guys?

Nobody cares dipshit

What is red?

[Rangerboy]

haha

[Pheer]

you seem to care a whole lot

next essay, please, snortling hard over here

no i think ill stop posting now and listen so you can tell us more of this gripping tale about corruption and betrayal on a 100 population server that you dont even play anymore

cant wait to see the documentary about this scandal

[Colgate]

thx 4 the laughs dawg

[Pheer]

embarassed and cant think of anything to say so just pulls out the "im so totally laughing right now!" defense while staring at his monitor with a blank expression

[Colgate]

yes i'm embarrassed that you've typed 5x more words than i have about this full of angst

??

[Pheer]

oh the old "you typed more than me so youre a loser and im a winner who has far too much time for such things even though Im sitting in this thread f5ing constantly to see what you say next" defense

[Gaffin 3.0]

HAHAHAHA

[Gaffin 3.0]

i love this tmo spy leaking shit wonder who it is

[Colgate]

word count is directly proportional to mad count u dum nig

[Pheer]

word count is directly proportional to mad count u dum nig

damn you must have been mad salty in this post then

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1229943&postcount=8

[Colgate]

8)

blue rnf way too easy

didn't know what i was missing

[andromax]

An issue that TMO will likely face in 2-4 weeks is a lot of the players who's accounts were banned will likely not be coming back any time soon. Whether it's another game or interest, or even some personal internal reflection that may happen... the habit will be broken and they won't likely have the same urge to play, especially with that bitter pilled that was shoved up their ass still lingering on their taste buds.

[Orruar]

An issue that TMO will likely face in 2-4 weeks is a lot of the players who's accounts were banned will likely not be coming back any time soon. Whether it's another game or interest, or even some personal internal reflection that may happen... the habit will be broken and they won't likely have the same urge to play, especially with that bitter pilled that was shoved up their ass still lingering on their taste buds.

You have taste buds in your ass? Poor guy.

[andromax]

You have taste buds in your ass? Poor guy.
Think of it as a metaphor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhSvQLweKD4)

[Gnomersy]

recent study showed males have tastebuds in the testicles.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2356008/Testicles-taste-buds-detect-sweet-flavours--theyre-vital-fertility.html

[Gnomersy]

and anus*

[andromax]

recent study showed males have tastebuds in the testicles.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2356008/Testicles-taste-buds-detect-sweet-flavours--theyre-vital-fertility.html

Lol read on.. Study of taste buds in mice unearthed the surprising findings Taste receptors are found all over the body, including in the anus Scientists say findings show testicular tastebuds are linked to fertility

Metaphor and fact.

[Retti_]

Pheer rhymes with Queer

[radditsu]

8)

blue rnf way too easy

didn't know what i was missing

:)

[heazels]

Again, you may want to reread Rogean's post to see why the raiding players behaving as they have in the past isn't going to continue. They're on notice and they know it. And even more, the majority of players in these guilds who are reasonable people are going to be less and less inclined to put up with the bullshit. Because they know that lowering the bar to get a few pixels/pointers isn't viable long term. It's time we start to foster a culture of responsibility for our guildmates and amicable relations with other guilds.

Why do you think eqlive had server communities ranging from utter douchebaggery to gentlemanly conduct? The rules were the same on (most) servers. The communities were the difference. And that really starts at the top. I don't know most of the guild leaders here, but it seems like they are willing to step up and come together to form an arrangement, so that's a good start.

Crap flows downhill, #1 rule of plumbing

[radditsu]

Rogean you have 14 days to fix this shit before we leave the server

Zeelot Planedefiler

[Rellapse36]

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[heazels]

You said its about the experience? Why haven't they gone and experienced it? If all they want to do is kill Venril Sathir one time, go box it up on another server. Yay I killed Venril! I'm happy.

But that's not it, is it?
Once you start getting that platlord.com money you cant stop. You have to keep going to make a living bc youve quit your job by month 3 your making so much money.

[heazels]

Rogean you have 14 days to fix this shit before we leave the server

Zeelot Planedefiler

is it bc rent payments will fail with no influx to platlord.com and you wont be able to log onto the internet? Oh's NO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKwPOxA4vOQ)

[radditsu]

http://forums.evercrest.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=43271

For the non nerds I give you the reference

[element08]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg

and lo the prophets foretold of the transcendence of his chosen few, and the time has come to pass.

[radditsu]

<3

[Rellapse36]

I am a prophet

[BigLe2e]

But guys, IB thinks they are better than us now!

[radditsu]

But guys, IB thinks they are better than us now!

Lawl

[Servellious]

Did Alarti tell brogean to prove it?

[HeallunRumblebelly]

PLZ do, as per rogeans post.


Starting today and then evaluated when Velious is released the CSR staff will be keeping track of how the raid guilds are treating eachother. If we do not see a significant improvement in the behavior of the raiding guilds and how they treat eachother, Velious will be released without raid content. To be clear, we want an enjoyable raid scene for everyone, not just one or two guilds. This means working together to figure out a compromise when racing for mobs, and working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters.

Don't think that this means you can continue shitting on each other and just not petition, the staff will still be watching.

"And remember, we'll be watching."
http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121109184155/xcom/images/a/af/XCOM-EU_The_Council.jpg

[element08]

they like to watch

[Rellapse36]

approve of this sig

[radditsu]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbv9r51H6t1qiwlodo1_400.jpg



Cross out cyclops. Add relapse. On my phone or I would do it.

[Langrisserx]

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131873

[BlkCamel]

I still don't understand why a guide or mod doesn't set up a weekly public raid with strictly enforced rules.

Because the community can do this themselves. GM are not raid organizers. Anyone can setup a time and target they want to raid. Make it open to public. If you get enough to attempt it you can.

Now if the mob isn't up that happens, you will have to try again. This is why it is a good idea to have a list of several mobs to attempt so you have a some fallback options if your primary target isn't up.

If your list is deep enough I am sure you will find something to do to benefit someone participating. The more people benefiting from these, the more participation you get. The more participation you get the more you can do. Just keep a robust list of what people need and just start checking them off, just like many guilds do.

Just because someone in the community hasn't stepped up to do it, (Probably because most of these people are already leading their own guilds or participating in guilds that already do it), does not mean no one can. If the top end guilds do follow a community standard of not jumping a prepping raid, not hording the same mob for multiple spawns in a row unless uncontested, validating and reporting kills to keep such a system in place. then I don't see why a Public Option can't succeed as well.

[BillyCranston]

I still don't understand why a guide or mod doesn't set up a weekly public raid with strictly enforced rules.

Answer: They shouldn't have to.

[BlkCamel]

If the top end guilds do follow a community standard of not jumping a prepping raid, not hording the same mob for multiple spawns in a row unless uncontested, validating and reporting kills to keep such a system in place. then I don't see why a Public Option can't succeed as well.

Holy shit, I'm a commie! Excuse me while I wash off this red paint.

[BigLe2e]

approve of this sig
If he doesnt stick to his word and disband, hes confirmed liar and approves of cheating/exploiting scum tactics on p99!

[Purdee]

You said its about the experience? Why haven't they gone and experienced it? If all they want to do is kill Venril Sathir one time, go box it up on another server. Yay I killed Venril! I'm happy.

But that's not it, is it?

I know it's hard for you to understand, since you seem to shove your head up whichever collective ass can help you get the most attention at the time, but I can ask you the same question...why don't they go monopolize their own box?

You seem to speak out a ton about nihilium when the opportunity presents itself, but here you are defending douchebag behavior like it's your purpose in life. Then again it looks like your life revolves around this forum.

[Raavak]

Omg, I can't believe he actually went and disbanded us!

[radditsu]

Omg, I can't believe he actually went and disbanded us!

I wish this was true

[Clark]

Knix seems like that teenager that doesn't check her blind spot and switched lanes directly into your car. Then gets out of the car pissed off that you hit her car and it's your fault.

Lolz

[Reguiy]

So it's past midnight and TMO is still together. What kind of arrangement have Rogean and the officers of TMO come to?

[Clark]

http://i.imgur.com/NzZdS5y.jpg
Fixed for embed

[Happyfeet]

Merkk sucks at EQ, I drunk kill him for the 100th time in VP without trying. Then he tells me he let me kill him. OH OK

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-21-2013/GJv8Rj.gif

[Troubled]

No fraps needed I guess?

[Tasslehofp99]

Merkk sucks at EQ, I drunk kill him for the 100th time in VP without trying. Then he tells me he let me kill him. OH OK

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-21-2013/GJv8Rj.gif

Damn I thought you of all people would be smart enough not to disregard rogean's raid suspension.

[Troubled]

IMO TMO either on a nerdrage about being called out(likely) or some great concerted effort to grief the server(not as likely.)

[kotton05]

rofl he killed me at 430am after I showed mercy to olidaen, you have gotten wrecked so many times I can't count grats on killing me once. choir boy.

[Tasslehofp99]

IMO TMO either on a nerdrage about being called out(likely) or some great concerted effort to grief the server(not as likely.)



Their efforts at griefing the server have been duly noted by rogean. This looks more like suicide by GM.

[Troubled]

Also, a lot of Doljonijiarnimorinar willing to take on exiled TMO. Exactly what everyone called.

[dwightgeary]

Doljonijiarnimorinar dont need to get mixed up in all this shit

[Rellapse36]

I got a feeling Rogean gonna shell out a final blow to these idiots soon. Disregarding raid suspension being even more toxic disrespectful when he clearly said shit needed to change? GOT MY POPCORN RDY

[Dweed]

Transcend everybody! It's the second coming of our lord Zeelus! Brace thyselves for the Lord's rapture! OOooooohhh Lordy, I am ready, take me up in your pixil-ated arms Oh Lord! Show these sinners the error of there ways! Lead us to your devine ending! For though are pure and douchest!

[Langrisserx]

Doljonijiarnimorinar dont need to get mixed up in all this shit

probably best thing about blue server is this guild

[Dweed]

Transcend everybody! It's the second coming of our lord Zeelus! Brace thyselves for the Lord's rapture! OOooooohhh Lordy, I am ready! Take me up in your pixil-ated arms Oh Lord! Show these sinners the error of their ways! Lead us to your devine end game!! For thou art pure and the douchiest of men!

[Dweed]

Transcend everybody! It's the second coming of our lord Zeelus! Brace thyselves for the Lord's rapture! OOooooohhh Lordy, I am ready! Take me up in your pixil-ated arms Oh Lord! Show these sinners the error of their ways! Lead us to your devine end game!! For thou art pure and the douchiest of men!

[Dweed]

Format fail

[Dweed]

Fail town

[dwightgeary]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-6769-aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-pajh.gif

[khanable]

susvain has become better at triple attack! (115)

[Vermithraxx]

.

Sucks when you get caught, Good riddance.

[radditsu]

Something I did up between the shower and going to the grocery store.

http://i.imgur.com/plzu1Du.png

[stonez138]

They're just willing to with train other guilds, stall/kite, dupe plat, exploit bugs etc etc (read CHEAT) to get it.

FTFY

[Tasslehofp99]

http://i44.tinypic.com/25s0cpk.jpg


Plus bonus convo

http://i42.tinypic.com/2hd03g4.jpg

quoting OP to reiterate how fucking awesome it is, ROFL

[Gaffin 3.0]

lol tmo think they are higher than rogean

[element08]

grats to all who transcended

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I'm just curious though. You're getting awfully wound up at attacking Zeelot/Alarti/Eccezan but... they aren't banned.

Shouldn't you guys be going after Internode/Froovy?

For instance, when Bill Clinton got caught, did you call up your local congressmen and rip them out?

I can't prove that A/E/Z didn't know about this going on, but given Rogean's investigation... the people on top seem very clean in all this. I'd also like to think those guys control what does and doesn't happen in the guild to the best of their ability. Doesn't that make the guild's leadership clean in all this?

More and more I see people doing anything and everything propaganda-wise to secure high end pixels for themselves. No one is asking the right questions like how did this bug occur? What can we do better as players to recognize and eliminate it in the future?
Sadly, its all about "ban them so I can't take mobs now".


Well said, everyone jumping on the bandwagon as it were.

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

So you could have all the geared out people "you hate" in your own guild to secure an advantage?

What does that make you? The same as them?

Yeah, it does.

Every single one of you that I see beating on your chests is just as bad as them with the pixel lust. They're just willing to go into work with 3 hours of sleep (read try harder) to get it. Is that sick? To me, yes. However, that's the same intention just with more effort put into it.

[p99soundsok]

I never saw tmo as a skilled guild. Tenasious mabey, but not skilled.

Tenasious mabey

Tenasious

mabey