Forceful Stallquest

[quido]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ewCkfhHq8o

<IBFE Except After C> stalls on a Trakanon engage for 60 seconds and later states in a real Ventrilo recording that stalling for that long is their gameplan!

Despicable!

[khanable]

biggest crime here is luclin models

[Incognito]

Video music makes me wanna play FF7

[jaybone]

HAI GUYS WE ZERGED DOWN 3 YEAR OLD CONTENT GG HERES A YOUTUBE VIDEO

[Reguiy]

Stopped watching when I saw Luclin models.

[kbnexus]

Haha the last 5 seconds is the best part.

[Swish]

biggest crime here is luclin models

wtf is wrong with people... obviously didn't come here for a classic experience etc

[Prismaticshop]

Quido 2018

"Guild XXX trains trakanon to ledge!! watch absolutely!"

My man, time to move on and get out of the basement lol.

[quido]

I live on the second floor.

[Skywarp]

Your in another guilds vent? I thought the CIA and NSA were doin that first. Good job on your spyquest. Edward Snowdens Jimmie's are now rustled.

[JayN]

Forceful bastards proud of their one min stall into a raid train, More Raid disruption with less players! Fresh off a raid suspension right back at it again!

[dualentity]

biggest crime here is luclin models

[Swifty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ewCkfhHq8o


Despicable!

https://24.media.tumblr.com/b9b728390261c427c4a4f7fd89fe2923/tumblr_mxwqxvDV5K1s6195io1_500.gif

[skipdog]

mmm love that FF7 music !

[BurgyK]

Pots and kettles. Everywhere.

[kbnexus]

Don't miss the bonus ending showing Trystych exploiting the juggs over the lake!

[Lammy]

I thought needing more than 30 people to kill a dragon was frowned upon by FE/IB standards?

[kbnexus]

I thought needing more than 30 people to kill a dragon was frowned upon by FE/IB standards?

That was just a recruitment ploy not actual practice.

[Ele]

biggest crime here is luclin models

[Hitpoint]

I thought needing more than 30 people to kill a dragon was frowned upon by FE/IB standards?

His point, if the video had gone on longer, was that we had 30 in vent, but not 30 in game.

Also, what's wrong with stalling Trakanon exactly? We do this every engage, TMO does this every engage. Cool video but if anyone isn't familiar with Trakanon. This is how the fight is done, 1 minute is a pretty good stall.

[Hitpoint]

His point, if the video had gone on longer, was that we had 30 in vent, but not 30 in game. Goes on to say people need to log in faster etc.

Also, what's wrong with stalling Trakanon exactly? We do this every engage, TMO does this every engage. Cool video but if anyone isn't familiar with Trakanon. This is how the fight is done, 1 minute is a pretty good stall.

[Orruar]

So all those soulfires I see TMO farming aren't for stalling?

[Lammy]

Well, maybe that's why your guild is suspended. You dont care to play by the rules. The current rule on trakanon is 2 DA's stall maximum. I can add that for you. 18+18...it's 36 seconds maximum.

[Orruar]

Wait, did they really make a rule allowing stalling, but setting a maximum stall time?

[arsenalpow]

There's no such thing as a maximum stall amount. Staff has made it abundantly clear that FTE is king, period.

[Hitpoint]

Well, maybe that's why your guild is suspended. You dont care to play by the rules. The current rule on trakanon is 2 DA's stall maximum. I can add that for you. 18+18...it's 36 seconds maximum.

Uh, they weren't using DAs. Those are warriors and monks stalling with a healer.

[radditsu]

Well, maybe that's why your guild is suspended. You dont care to play by the rules. The current rule on trakanon is 2 DA's stall maximum. I can add that for you. 18+18...it's 36 seconds maximum.

Lol If you can't figure out why this statement is hilarious. I feel bad for you son.

[radditsu]

There's no such thing as a maximum stall amount. Staff has made it abundantly clear that FTE is king, period.

Especially if you FTE snipe!

[Orruar]

Tmo where do you find these idiots or just make up rules out of thin air?

If you know much about the situation on Maelin, his sig pretty much says all that needs to be said.


Lammyx - 75 Rogue - <Assent> - Maelin - Retired

[Ele]

Wait, did they really make a rule allowing stalling, but setting a maximum stall time?

Rules come and go every week it seems, but the rules threads do not get updated. You have to show up to every single raid and find out about these new "rules" second hand either from responses in petition threads or direct tells from staff to raid leaders, which then have to get relayed to members.

Miss a raid, miss a rule.

There is still confusion among the populace as to whether or not FTE matters if you have one person in zone, a whole raid in zone, an actual "attempt" at the mob, or just pure FTE = loot rights.

Recall that a few weeks back, FE/IB had a 30 minute fight with Severilious which the GMs said was completely fine as they watched the whole thing live. They had FTE, didn't kite, and kept it in one spot without it bouncing all over the place. Numerous people from opposition forces however claimed it was "stalling".

What is a "stall" depends on whether or not you win in the end. One time it is strategy, the next time it is exploitz.

[Hitpoint]

Well now there is apparently a limit on amount of DAs because FE/IB killed 5 Trakanons in a row. After the third one TMO got mad so they all got in Skype with their GM pal and convinced him that multiple DAs should be against the rules. TMO has gotten even more than that now. Still, we're aren't calling their stalls illegitimate or "lobbying" for new engagement rules.

[kbnexus]

Well now there is apparently a limit on amount of DAs because FE/IB killed 5 Trakanons in a row. After the third one TMO got mad so they all got in Skype with their GM pal and convinced him that multiple DAs should be against the rules. TMO has gotten even more than that now. Still, we're aren't calling their stalls illegitimate or "lobbying" for new engagement rules.

Actually, we didn't Gm's came up with this one all by themselves, and without any donations from TMO RMT fund.

[kbnexus]

His point, if the video had gone on longer, was that we had 30 in vent, but not 30 in game.

Also, what's wrong with stalling Trakanon exactly? We do this every engage, TMO does this every engage. Cool video but if anyone isn't familiar with Trakanon. This is how the fight is done, 1 minute is a pretty good stall.

You had 30 in game. ;)

[Lammy]

Tmo where do you find these idiots or just make up rules out of thin air?

This is an actual rule as of 10 trakanons ago.

If you know much about the situation on Maelin, his sig pretty much says all that needs to be said.

What was the situation? Our guild surpassed yours and went on to take Game Wide and Server first kills?

[Hitpoint]

Actually, we didn't Gm's came up with this one all by themselves, and without any donations from TMO RMT fund.

Not even close. I remember when our single officer was pulled into skype with fucking 6-7 tmo members and one GM, and they were all shouting and bitching about how this rule was fair and should be implemented. It only happened a few weeks ago. I'm sure you were there.

[Raavak]

How about you just kill the damn mob or get out of the way? Seems simple enough.

[indiscriminate_hater]

I live on the second floor.

Confirmed living in the attic

[Hitpoint]

We were confused as fuck as to why TMO even wanted the rule, since they stall just as much as we do. Most likely just being irrational and searching for a reason that could have caused them to lose 3 Traks in a row. Still a blatant example of how TMO manipulates the rules when they think it will help them.

[Orruar]

What was the situation? Our guild surpassed yours and went on to take Game Wide and Server first kills?

Except that doesn't really paint the full picture, does it? You were in a guild that billed itself as the top raiding guild, with all kinds of serverwide firsts, but never could finish an expansion first. Always second fiddle to someone. Then you apparently retired at level 75, which coincides with the era of Assent's downward slide into irrelevance. Now you're back, looking to try and attain that glory that you were denied on live.

[MaksimMazor]

6 trakanons in a row

[Orruar]

How about you just kill the damn mob or get out of the way? Seems simple enough.

I support a rule where anybody not on the hate list in the first 15 seconds of the fight will be ported out of zone if they get on the hate list later (unless there's a reset). Would clear up a whole lot of the faggotry that goes on here.

[kbnexus]

Not even close. I remember when our single officer was pulled into skype with fucking 6-7 tmo members and one GM, and they were all shouting and bitching about how this rule was fair and should be implemented. It only happened a few weeks ago. I'm sure you were there.

HAHAHA, your lies are coming easier !

[Lammy]

Except that doesn't really paint the full picture, does it? You were in a guild that billed itself as the top raiding guild, with all kinds of serverwide firsts, but never could finish an expansion first. Always second fiddle to someone. Then you apparently retired at level 75, which coincides with the era of Assent's downward slide into irrelevance. Now you're back, looking to try and attain that glory that you were denied on live.

Assent Completes Depths of Dark Hollow expansion 1/9/2006
Triality Completes Depths of Dark Hollow expansion 4/26/2006

[Autotune]

Well, maybe that's why your guild is suspended. You dont care to play by the rules. The current rule on trakanon is 2 DA's stall maximum. I can add that for you. 18+18...it's 36 seconds maximum.

that's pretty retarded rule, considering it's not found on any of the rule threads and the previous understanding was stalling was okay if the mob wasn't being kited. Stalling being allowed pushed guilds to rush engage and they would sometimes fail due to not enough logging in quickly enough or they weren't buffed or whatever the fuck. It was pretty damn balanced. The only reason I can see TMO crying about it now is because they are losing consecutive targets, we used to discuss ways to stall longer on rush engages to give us time to get everyone in on Trakanon (when we were going against IB).


Staff need to get their shit together and only allow Sirken to make these new rules and when he does there needs to be an update on the forums. Post it in RnF for a week and update the damn raiding rules thread.

It's retarded that a guild gets suspended over all these hidden rule changes. This is why the raiding scene was such a shitty place years ago when things got heated, rules changed every damn day and the staff just winged it.

[Orruar]

Assent Completes Depths of Dark Hollow expansion 1/9/2006
Triality Completes Depths of Dark Hollow expansion 4/26/2006

Doesn't address any of the points I made. Which expansion did Assent finish first serverwide again? I have a theory that when you get enough silver medals, you start considering pooping in socks to get a gold.

[Lammy]

Doesn't address any of the points I made. Which expansion did Assent finish first serverwide again? I have a theory that when you get enough silver medals, you start considering pooping in socks to get a gold.

Game Wide, I don't recall finishing an expansion as a first. But many Game wide first boss kills.

Now that I think about it...

Assent finished, OOW, DoN, OOW, and PoR all ahead of Triality...

[Orruar]

that's pretty retarded rule, considering it's not found on any of the rule threads and the previous understanding was stalling was okay if the mob wasn't being kited. Stalling being allowed pushed guilds to rush engage and they would sometimes fail due to not enough logging in quickly enough or they weren't buffed or whatever the fuck. It was pretty damn balanced.

Except the problem is that with the right items, you can stall for several minutes. Certain fights make this harder to do with a single toon, but then you can just use 2-3 to the same effect. Then the game becomes who can learn to stall the best. It's hard to make the raiding game here more retarded, but an indefinite stall rule somehow accomplishes that feat.

[Orruar]

Game Wide, I don't recall finishing an expansion as a first. But many Game wide first boss kills.

Now that I think about it...

Assent finished, OOW, DoN, OOW, and PoR all ahead of Triality...

You are so proud of your 2nd place OoW finish that you listed it twice. How adorable. I bet you're really excited for Velious and the chance to finally finish an expansion first. Well, except for those other 600 guilds that have done it on live.

[Hitpoint]

HAHAHA, your lies are coming easier !

I don't lie here Alarti. This is at least the second time you've accused me of lying in the past week or two. I don't have any reason to lie. I won't even call you a liar, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you weren't part of the Skype call, or maybe you didn't know it happened. I know that when the rule was being discussed, we were given a chance to debate it, and one officer and one member were brought into skype with lots of TMO, who had clearly already been there for a while.

Lastly. Stalling is dumb, I don't like it. But when it's within the rules and one guild is doing it, you have to if you're going to compete.

[Lammy]

You are so proud of your 2nd place OoW finish that you listed it twice. How adorable. I bet you're really excited for Velious and the chance to finally finish an expansion first. Well, except for those other 600 guilds that have done it on live.

The second "OOW" was meant to be DoDH. A simple typo.

So let me understand this series of events...

1) I quote a rule created by GMs about a Trakanon stall limit
2) I instantly become the asshole
3) Orruar and Friends ignorantly attack me
4) Orruar Is still salty his guild couldn't hack it almost 10 year ago.
5) Creates false claims about failures on Maelin
6) Deflects because he was wrong

[Fuddwin]

Poor Alarti

[Fuddwin]

Poor TMO (Variety)

[Autotune]

Except the problem is that with the right items, you can stall for several minutes. Certain fights make this harder to do with a single toon, but then you can just use 2-3 to the same effect. Then the game becomes who can learn to stall the best. It's hard to make the raiding game here more retarded, but an indefinite stall rule somehow accomplishes that feat.

Then they waste the items they gathered to accomplish that goal and have to spend more time renewing that stock.

Stalling is balanced as long as it's not being kited.

[kbnexus]

I don't lie here Alarti. This is at least the second time you've accused me of lying in the past week or two. I don't have any reason to lie. I won't even call you a liar, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you weren't part of the Skype call, or maybe you didn't know it happened. I know that when the rule was being discussed, we were given a chance to debate it, and one officer and one member were brought into skype with lots of TMO, who had clearly already been there for a while.

Lastly. Stalling is dumb, I don't like it. But when it's within the rules and one guild is doing it, you have to if you're going to compete.

Lying about lying... EXPECTED!

[Fuddwin]

Prove it.

[Orruar]

The second "OOW" was meant to be DoDH. A simple typo.

So let me understand this series of events...

1) I quote a rule created by GMs about a Trakanon stall limit
2) I instantly become the asshole
3) Orruar and Friends ignorantly attack me
4) Orruar Is still salty his guild couldn't hack it almost 10 year ago.
5) Creates false claims about failures on Maelin
6) Deflects because he was wrong

I didn't really want to bring my guild's accomplishments into this because it would seem like blatant cockwaving, and that isn't relevant to the point I was making. But somehow I'm thinking that 4 straight expansions at #1 serverwide is somewhat more impressive than 4 straight expansions of #2-4 serverwide.

[Splorf22]

Wait, did they really make a rule allowing stalling, but setting a maximum stall time?

'Competition' on this server is already so silly that it seemed impossible to make it sillier, but . . . I guess it was possible.

[sanforce]

How many clerics/necros would it take to indefinitely stall a raid mob? Probably quite a few, but it could be done.

[kbnexus]

I didn't really want to bring my guild's accomplishments into this because it would seem like blatant cockwaving, and that isn't relevant to the point I was making. But somehow I'm thinking that 4 straight expansions at #1 serverwide is somewhat more impressive than 4 straight expansions of #2-4 serverwide.

Depends on the expansion.

[radditsu]

How can a game be fun when it has more rrules than football?

What is a catch anymore?

[Orruar]

Then they waste the items they gathered to accomplish that goal and have to spend more time renewing that stock.

Stalling is balanced as long as it's not being kited.

I suspect that spending a few hours gathering some items is considered well worth the reward of killing a dragon. I mean, if the history of poopsocking says anything, it is that people are willing to spend rather inordinate amounts of time to kill a dragon.

[Derubael]

We never set a 2 DA rule. It was something we talked about, but ultimately decided didn't make sense. There is no 2 DA rule.

Also, when did this mysterious "GM+TMO skype call" happen? Who was the GM involved? We did this to talk about RAID RULES? Are you out of your mind? What makes you think any of us would even want to sit in on a call like that? This whole story is bullshit. Stop spreading lies about the GM's. You want to talk shit about TMO, go for it, keep our names out of it.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled RnF'ing.

[Fuddwin]

Poor Derubael (Variety)

[Splorf22]

Poor Derubael (Variety)

Given your RNF postings, I have to wonder what you are like in vent.

[Lammy]

We never set a 2 DA rule. It was something we talked about, but ultimately decided didn't make sense. There is no 2 DA rule.


I stand corrected. Thank you for the clarification... I believe we have been raiding under the assumption that this rule was in play.

[Fuddwin]

Given your RNF postings, I have to wonder what you are like in vent.


Send me a tell one day/night.. We can have a chat.. =)

[Lammy]

It was something we talked about, but ultimately decided didn't make sense.
.

Thin air

[Pheer]

so how did TMO know about a rule the gms were merely discussing among themselves and hadnt even made an actual rule yet?

handing out tinfoil hats who wants one

[Lojik]

so how did TMO know about a rule the gms were merely discussing among themselves and hadnt even made an actual rule yet?

handing out tinfoil hats who wants one

Can you make it in the shape of the kind of hat david the gnome wears? If so then yes.

[Pheer]

Can you make it in the shape of the kind of hat david the gnome wears? If so then yes.

thats the best kind of tinfoil hat

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/tinfoilmain615.jpg

[Funkutron5000]

just in case you missed it

Can you make it bigger, and perhaps a different color?

[Nirgon]

Turn off those Luclin models right now son.

That was almost a pro fraps.

[Orruar]

thats the best kind of tinfoil hat

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/tinfoilmain615.jpg

I hear the pyramid shape helps focus mother Earth's energy.

[kbnexus]

I don't lie here Alarti. This is at least the second time you've accused me of lying in the past week or two. I don't have any reason to lie. I won't even call you a liar, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you weren't part of the Skype call, or maybe you didn't know it happened. I know that when the rule was being discussed, we were given a chance to debate it, and one officer and one member were brought into skype with lots of TMO, who had clearly already been there for a while.

Lastly. Stalling is dumb, I don't like it. But when it's within the rules and one guild is doing it, you have to if you're going to compete.

We never set a 2 DA rule. It was something we talked about, but ultimately decided didn't make sense. There is no 2 DA rule.

Also, when did this mysterious "GM+TMO skype call" happen? Who was the GM involved? We did this to talk about RAID RULES? Are you out of your mind? What makes you think any of us would even want to sit in on a call like that? This whole story is bullshit. Stop spreading lies about the GM's. You want to talk shit about TMO, go for it, keep our names out of it.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled RnF'ing.


Case closes. Thanks for playing Hitpoint. Once again caught in a lie.

[Lammy]

Can you change the font pls

[Autotune]

Case closes. Thanks for playing Hitpoint. Once again caught in a lie.

I think you meant to quote Lammy, he was the one caught in a lie.

[Prismaticshop]

the best in this thread remains alarti caught posting from another account, forum addiction much ?

[Derubael]

so how did TMO know about a rule the gms were merely discussing among themselves and hadnt even made an actual rule yet?

handing out tinfoil hats who wants one

I pulled sloan, merkk, perun, eccezan, and jeremy into a group in game and talked to all of them about it in /g. That's how fe, ib, and tmo knew it was being talked about. I then told officers from both guild there was no 2 DA rule before the next trak popped.

My tinfoil hat is larger and shinier than yours :D

[kbnexus]

the best in this thread remains alarti caught posting from another account, forum addiction much ?

So says the anon account.

[kbnexus]

I think you meant to quote Lammy, he was the one caught in a lie.

One? Can you even REEED?

[Autotune]

I pulled sloan, merkk, perun, eccezan, and jeremy into a group in game and talked to all of them about it in /g. That's how fe, ib, and tmo knew it was being talked about. I then told officers from both guild there was no 2 DA rule before the next trak popped.

My tinfoil hat is larger and shinier than yours :D

I know where TMO's confusion came from now...

[Autotune]

One? Can you even REEED?

I can, but with your level of typing it's really hard to understand retard.

[kbnexus]

I can, but with your level of typing it's really hard to understand retard.

Soooo much anger haha

[Autotune]

Soooo much anger haha

I don't get angry at you, Alarti. Every time I even think about you and how beta you are I start laughing, because I'm always reminded of the time/s you would hit on Jaed on vent and she would blow you off. That would always follow you trying to be mean to her like a little 3rd grade boy with a crush.

You're so cute, too bad you're like 40+

[mishurza]

I may disagree with Derubael at times but I do enjoy him smacking trolls down on RnF

[kbnexus]

I don't get angry at you, Alarti. Every time I even think about you and how beta you are I start laughing, because I'm always reminded of the time/s you would hit on Jaed on vent and she would blow you off. That would always follow you trying to be mean to her like a little 3rd grade boy with a crush.

You're so cute, too bad you're like 40+

LOLOL>>> I love when you make up stuff to get attention. Pretty much your life definition amirite? Jaed was always one of the chicks in guild I avoided(can't stand those ppl who need attention, kinda like you stealin)

I'm also only 29 :(

Also less clear the fog on what Alpha and Beta is.

Type A Behavior: Its Diagnosis and Treatment, Friedman suggests that Type A behavior is expressed in three major symptoms: free-floating hostility, which can be triggered by even minor incidents; time urgency and impatience, which causes irritation and exasperation usually described as being "short-fused"; and a competitive drive, which causes stress and an achievement-driven mentality. The first of these symptoms is believed to be covert and therefore less observable, while the other two are more overt.

The theory describes Type B individuals as a contrast to those with Type A personalities. People with Type B personality by definition generally live at a lower stress level and typically work steadily, enjoying achievement but not becoming stressed when they do not achieve. When faced with competition, they do not mind losing and either enjoy the game or back down. They may be creative and enjoy exploring ideas and concepts. They are often reflective, thinking about the outer and inner worlds.


Hope you learned something today(Doubtful)

[kbnexus]

Can tell you're a beta from that post right there

A alpha does not need to reassure that he is in a post b/c everyone already knows

but its cool lots of beta's here like Alarti,Mccezan etc you all prob bffs

come fite me irl ill show you beta!

[Hitpoint]

We never set a 2 DA rule. It was something we talked about, but ultimately decided didn't make sense. There is no 2 DA rule.

Also, when did this mysterious "GM+TMO skype call" happen? Who was the GM involved? We did this to talk about RAID RULES? Are you out of your mind? What makes you think any of us would even want to sit in on a call like that? This whole story is bullshit. Stop spreading lies about the GM's. You want to talk shit about TMO, go for it, keep our names out of it.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled RnF'ing.

You are the GM involved.

I heard you were in the Skype call but maybe it was just a TMO thing.

I named absolutely nobody in my original post. Nor would I.

I'm not out of my mind.

Last we heard about this rule. You said that we should try not use more than 2 DAs for the next Trakanon spawn, and that you'd get back to us after you talked to other GMs about it. I've heard very mixed opinions as to whether the rule is actually official. It's nice to finally have some closure I guess.

[Pheer]

My tinfoil hat is larger and shinier than yours :D

iksars cant wear tinfoil hats with all those weird horns and bumps on their heads

[Autotune]

LOLOL>>> I love when you make up stuff to get attention. Pretty much your life definition amirite? Jaed was always one of the chicks in guild I avoided(can't stand those ppl who need attention, kinda like you stealin)

I'm also only 29 :(

Also less clear the fog on what Alpha and Beta is.

Type A Behavior: Its Diagnosis and Treatment, Friedman suggests that Type A behavior is expressed in three major symptoms: free-floating hostility, which can be triggered by even minor incidents; time urgency and impatience, which causes irritation and exasperation usually described as being "short-fused"; and a competitive drive, which causes stress and an achievement-driven mentality. The first of these symptoms is believed to be covert and therefore less observable, while the other two are more overt.

The theory describes Type B individuals as a contrast to those with Type A personalities. People with Type B personality by definition generally live at a lower stress level and typically work steadily, enjoying achievement but not becoming stressed when they do not achieve. When faced with competition, they do not mind losing and either enjoy the game or back down. They may be creative and enjoy exploring ideas and concepts. They are often reflective, thinking about the outer and inner worlds.


Hope you learned something today(Doubtful)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsBnJHcAShc

You are the only person in TMO who sounds exactly like this guy. There are plenty of people who can attest to what I've stated above. There is no way I'm mistaken.

[kbnexus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsBnJHcAShc

You are the only person in TMO who sounds exactly like this guy. There are plenty of people who can attest to what I've stated above. There is no way I'm mistaken.

ok..lol I see what you are doin here!

[Orruar]

LOLOL>>> I love when you make up stuff to get attention. Pretty much your life definition amirite? Jaed was always one of the chicks in guild I avoided(can't stand those ppl who need attention, kinda like you stealin)

I'm also only 29 :(

Also less clear the fog on what Alpha and Beta is.

Type A Behavior: Its Diagnosis and Treatment, Friedman suggests that Type A behavior is expressed in three major symptoms: free-floating hostility, which can be triggered by even minor incidents; time urgency and impatience, which causes irritation and exasperation usually described as being "short-fused"; and a competitive drive, which causes stress and an achievement-driven mentality. The first of these symptoms is believed to be covert and therefore less observable, while the other two are more overt.

The theory describes Type B individuals as a contrast to those with Type A personalities. People with Type B personality by definition generally live at a lower stress level and typically work steadily, enjoying achievement but not becoming stressed when they do not achieve. When faced with competition, they do not mind losing and either enjoy the game or back down. They may be creative and enjoy exploring ideas and concepts. They are often reflective, thinking about the outer and inner worlds.


Hope you learned something today(Doubtful)

So given the options of being type A (defined as umad, umad, super stressed), or type B (defined as easy going, creative, reflective), you get insulted at being called type B?

[Autotune]

So given the options of being type A (defined as umad, umad, super stressed), or type B (defined as easy going, creative, reflective), you get insulted at being called type B?

He's obviously a super B.

[radditsu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsBnJHcAShc

You are the only person in TMO who sounds exactly like this guy. There are plenty of people who can attest to what I've stated above. There is no way I'm mistaken.


http://www.earwolf.com/show/nerd-poker/


I have it as part of my podcast rotation.

[kbnexus]

So given the options of being type A (defined as umad, umad, super stressed), or type B (defined as easy going, creative, reflective), you get insulted at being called type B?

Pay attention, not insulted at all. Also, dont think the alpha/beta/delta theory has too much merit as it is.

[kbnexus]

Back on topic. This has been derailed by the "i dont play here anymore, but Im still mad crew" long enough.


@FE.
Why do you think it is okay(after repeatedly being told not to, including a player suspension) to use the lake to pathing exploit the juggs?

[Orruar]

Pay attention, not insulted at all. Also, dont think the alpha/beta/delta theory has too much merit as it is.

I see. The problem here is that you're not using "beta" in the same way as it's typically meant by internet warriors. It's usually not a reference to type A vs B personalities.

[kbnexus]

I see. The problem here is that you're not using "beta" in the same way as it's typically meant by internet warriors. It's usually not a reference to type A vs B personalities.

Internet warriors typically have no idea what beta/alpha means. I.E. Stealin/Rellapse

[radditsu]

I played deus ex human revolution. I know the difference!

[Autotune]

Internet warriors typically have no idea what beta/alpha means. I.E. Stealin/Rellapse

You're acting like a real Omega male now.

[kbnexus]

You're acting like a real Omega male now.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067525/
One of the best!

[Tiggles]

6 trakanons in a row

[Ella`Ella]

Well, maybe that's why your guild is suspended. You dont care to play by the rules. The current rule on trakanon is 2 DA's stall maximum. I can add that for you. 18+18...it's 36 seconds maximum.

Everytime you speak it's wrong. Everything is wrong. There is no stall time limit - it was suggested, never implemented. And, pathing over the water isn't a fucking exploit. The juggs will still get to you and attack you once they hit the end of their path. There is no rule that says you must make sure the mob takes the most direct path to you. Exploiting would be if you could indefinitely hold the aggro and never get hit, summoned, casted upon or otherwise.

What do you call it when your guild pulls Phara Dar through the wall?

Stop acting like you have a presence on this server. Go back to button mashing.

[kbnexus]

8 trakanons in a row

^ Actually 8

[Autotune]

Everytime you speak it's wrong. Everything is wrong. There is no stall time limit - it was suggested, never implemented. And, pathing over the water isn't a fucking exploit. The juggs will still get to you and attack you once they hit the end of their path. There is no rule that says you must make sure the mob takes the most direct path to you. Exploiting would be if you could indefinitely hold the aggro and never get hit, summoned, casted upon or otherwise.

What do you call it when your guild pulls Phara Dar through the wall?

Stop acting like you have a presence on this server. Go back to button mashing.

Well, actually, lol. I got in trouble for this a long time ago and apparently it is against some retarded rule.

Amelinda stated that they wouldn't hit me, yet I've had them hit me in the air and I've had them kill me in the air. They call this exploiting pathing, yet you can aggro them from the other side sometimes and make them path back and forth on the bridge just by moving a few feet left and right.

That's just another one of those clueless staff rules that was never written and wasn't thought out very well.

[kbnexus]

Everytime you speak it's wrong. Everything is wrong. There is no stall time limit - it was suggested, never implemented. And, pathing over the water isn't a fucking exploit. The juggs will still get to you and attack you once they hit the end of their path. There is no rule that says you must make sure the mob takes the most direct path to you. Exploiting would be if you could indefinitely hold the aggro and never get hit, summoned, casted upon or otherwise.



Everytime you speak it's wrong.

There is definitely a rule about exploiting z-axis pathing bugs to prevent mobs from reaching you. Specifically the lake near Trak lair comes in mind.

[Ella`Ella]

Everytime you speak it's wrong.

There is definitely a rule about exploiting z-axis pathing bugs to prevent mobs from reaching you. Specifically the lake near Trak lair comes in mind.

I try not to argue with fools. From a distance it's hard to tell who is who. It's not Z-axis if they hit you in the air. It would be more X-axis as they pathed on the ground. They hit you just fine in the air.

Well, actually, lol. I got in trouble for this a long time ago and apparently it is against some retarded rule.

Amelinda stated that they wouldn't hit me, yet I've had them hit me in the air and I've had them kill me in the air. They call this exploiting pathing, yet you can aggro them from the other side sometimes and make them path back and forth on the bridge just by moving a few feet left and right.

That's just another one of those clueless staff rules that was never written and wasn't thought out very well.

I can't imagine why anything Amelinda ruled on is still validated. I wouldn't consider this an exploit at all. I've been killed in the past tracking on that far wall by aggroing juggs and they seem to hit you just fine once that hit that far point in their path and then come through the water. They also hit just fine mid Z-axis.

[Bossman]

I didn't really want to bring my guild's accomplishments into this because it would seem like blatant cockwaving, and that isn't relevant to the point I was making. But somehow I'm thinking that 4 straight expansions at #1 serverwide is somewhat more impressive than 4 straight expansions of #2-4 serverwide.

You're both fucking idiots. Nobody gives two shits about what you did 10 years ago. Go outside

[ivosik]

you can kite the tola juggs around the lake for hours without being hit, change your kiter IMO. The only mobs you have to worry about is tola casting spells or that one bridge jugg aggroing you

[Autotune]

you can kite the tola juggs around the lake for hours without being hit, change your kiter IMO. The only mobs you have to worry about is tola casting spells or that one bridge jugg aggroing you

Your point?

You can train away/kite anything without being hit as long as you're moving faster than them.

Kiting them in the air does not make you invulnerable to attacks nor does it make it impossible for them to get to you (if you stop in the air they will hit you).

[ivosik]

hey moran i meant exploiting the pathing around the lake

[Autotune]

hey moran i meant exploiting the pathing around the lake

If you're taking them around in a circle, they aren't being exploited, they are following you like they should.

If you're making them path back and forth on the ledge by moving a few feet then you are exploiting the pathing.

The reason they follow you in the air is so they CAN hit you.

The reason they usually don't catch people while flying is because the person either has sow or are moving diagonally.

You are the moran.

[Orruar]

You're both fucking idiots. Nobody gives two shits about what you did 10 years ago. Go outside

Thanks for your incredible contribution to this thread. Nobody gives two shits about what you have to say today, let alone 10 years ago.

[Ella`Ella]

If you're taking them around in a circle, they aren't being exploited, they are following you like they should.

If you're making them path back and forth on the ledge by moving a few feet then you are exploiting the pathing.

The reason they follow you in the air is so they CAN hit you.

The reason they usually don't catch people while flying is because the person either has sow or are moving diagonally.

You are the moran.

Might as well consider strafe running an exploit...

[Bossman]

Thanks for your incredible contribution to this thread. Nobody gives two shits about what you have to say today, let alone 10 years ago.

Good one bro. Sorry I attacked your sense of accomplishment. Just make sure you kill yourself in the bathtub (easy cleanup).

[Orruar]

Good one bro. Sorry I attacked your sense of accomplishment. Just make sure you kill yourself in the bathtub (easy cleanup).

Sorry I attacked your sense of self worth. I'd tell you to kill yourself in the bathtub, but I'm guessing you only have a cardboard box to your name.

[Raavak]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(ethology)

[Hitpoint]

Whether kiting over the water is allowed or not is irrelevant anyway, because we didn't do it. Our plan is always to either train the jugs to the invis wall and die, or to kite them around the lair after hitting them with agro spells. I don't know of any warnings or people being banned for exploiting pathing since I've been in the guild. It's never been a part of our kite plan. I see your fraps at the end of that youtube video it doesn't really show anything. I see a necromancer running to the path and he levs over the water to get there. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you had panned your camera around the wall you'd see us kiting 2-3 jugs in circles around Trakanon.

[kbnexus]

Whether kiting over the water is allowed or not is irrelevant anyway, because we didn't do it. Our plan is always to either train the jugs to the invis wall and die, or to kite them around the lair after hitting them with agro spells. I don't know of any warnings or people being banned for exploiting pathing since I've been in the guild. It's never been a part of our kite plan. I see your fraps at the end of that youtube video it doesn't really show anything. I see a necromancer running to the path and he levs over the water to get there. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you had panned your camera around the wall you'd see us kiting 2-3 jugs in circles around Trakanon.

That fraps was just a clip of the full fraps. The full fraps of trystych is much more detailed and shows repeated circles while bugging out the juggs.

[Fuddwin]

That fraps was just a clip of the full fraps. The full fraps of trystych is much more detailed and shows repeated circles while bugging out the juggs.


Prove it!

[kbnexus]

Prove it!

Sure :) Let me clear it first. I don't like to post fraps currently being used by the gm's in a legal investigation.

[Fuddwin]

LOL... He said legal investigation...

[Hitpoint]

Well your clip is after we wipe, so I doubt any of this matters. You can see the Jugs summoning me, I was one of the last 2-3 people in the lair when that happened.

[sanforce]

Well your clip is after we wipe, so I doubt any of this matters. You can see the Jugs summoning me, I was one of the last 2-3 people in the lair when that happened.

Pretty sure jug pathing exploits matter, whether it was at the beginning or the end of your fail.

[kbnexus]

LOL... He said legal investigation...

Yes... humor is allowed in RnF.

[Pheer]

Sure :) Let me clear it first. I don't like to post fraps currently being used by the gm's in a legal investigation.

Trystych confirmed being brought up on charges by the FBI for not standing still and letting juggs kill him

[Yapas]

Gratz FE/IB for this fantastic "Stalingrad" wipe ! Trakanon @ 60% is a nice achievement !

*Trakanon is now resetted*

LOL

[Fuddwin]

Trystych confirmed being brought up on charges by the FBI for not standing still and letting juggs kill him

Poor Tyrstych (Variety)

[Lammy]

Well your clip is after we wipe, so I doubt any of this matters. You can see the Jugs summoning me, I was one of the last 2-3 people in the lair when that happened.

Does matter now that you can prove it, Alarti

[Lammy]

Doesn't

[radditsu]

Gratz FE/IB for this fantastic "Stalingrad" wipe ! Trakanon @ 60% is a nice achievement !

*Trakanon is now resetted*

LOL

This guy are sick.

[Pheer]

much victory great excitement for to slay raid mob

[Hitpoint]

This guy are sick.

He always said that just once, he'd like to dress up like a girl.

[Tycko]

This video was awesome. Regardless of what side of the isle your on, this is funny!

[kotton05]

Well, maybe that's why your guild is suspended. You dont care to play by the rules. The current rule on trakanon is 2 DA's stall maximum. I can add that for you. 18+18...it's 36 seconds maximum.

Lol you smoking crack nub

[radditsu]

He always said that just once, he'd like to dress up like a girl.

Then he dies in the middle.

[Skywarp]

Years ago a guild that had proper show of force who wiped had the option and right to retry the mob within a set time under 25 minutes or concede to another force. That was classic. Prove or disprove.

[radditsu]

Years ago a guild that had proper show of force who wiped had the option and right to retry the mob within a set time under 25 minutes or concede to another force. That was classic. Prove or disprove.

I believe that was first in force rule, and was a staple of Povar raiding ( outside of rotations)

[Ele]

I believe that was first in force rule, and was a staple of Povar raiding ( outside of rotations)

Prexus had the basically the same thing. Pre and post rotations.