FE engages a dracoliche! Front row seats!!

[Locust]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEG4pHUegHw

grats on FTE... sorry for interfering with your kite i mean raid!!!! :( :( :( :( :(

plz 2 b accepting this as my formal apology. <3 <3 i will flame lick myself as punishment.

[Alarti0001]

... Not to side with my FE brethren or anything but where is the kite here?

[Locust]

they had fte with one in zone and we tried to pull it off :( i am filled with shame :( fte is fte and i am having2 learn that.

[Metallikus]

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

For 2 min, Supremacy stall-kites or otherwise kept occupied Draco in a situation to prevent another guild from engagement.

BDA 30 in zone
FE 1 in zone

[Heebo]

I don't understand. An RnF thread that doesn't mention TMO? What is this?

[Alarti0001]

Q: What about a raid mob being indefinitely kited or occupied?
A: It is against server policy to indefinitely kite, or otherwise keep occupied, a raid mob without intention of bringing it to your raid camp. You either bring it to your raid, die, or zone out. Obvious stall-kiting of a raid mob, especially in situations to prevent engagement by another guild, will result in disciplinary actions against the kiter's account, and possibly their raid/guild leadership.

For 2 min, Supremacy stall-kites or otherwise kept occupied Draco in a situation to prevent another guild from engagement.

BDA 30 in zone
FE 1 in zone

I guess the real question is, with 30 in zone why did it take an FTE message for you to realize draco popped? I mean BDA's entire strategy is do a clear and hope you get lucky with a pop....well you got lucky....

[Alarti0001]

I guess the real question is, with 30 in zone why did it take an FTE message for you to realize draco popped? I mean BDA's entire strategy is do a clear and hope you get lucky with a pop....well you got lucky....

In all honesty however, this situation seems very very similar to a particular Faydedar that got awarded to FE when TMO was dying.

[arsenalpow]

supremacy was sitting on the spawn point of draco while our forces cleared the zone, draco spawns and supremacy immediately starts kiting it around thus negating a chance at us even pulling it, we had 30 in zone, they had their kiter and a tracker. You can't kite a raid mob, you can only pull a raid mob, there was no one to pull it to. Kill was awarded to FE anyways. Fraps show exactly that, no interpretation necessary, we had a raid, they didn't. FE kites the mob and ruins our chance to even engage it.

you want us to get crystal clear fraps of the situation, we do, still doesn't matter, here's your loot FE

[Nizzarr]

so who got the bone razors?

[ivosik]

looks like supremacy pulled draco to WW and began tanking it. l2play

[HeallunRumblebelly]

so who got the bone razors?

BCGx17, obv.

[Pheer]

BCGx17, obv.

and olympia got all of them

[Aeaolena]

supremacy was sitting on the spawn point of draco while our forces cleared the zone, draco spawns and supremacy immediately starts kiting it around thus negating a chance at us even pulling it, we had 30 in zone, they had their kiter and a tracker. You can't kite a raid mob, you can only pull a raid mob, there was no one to pull it to. Kill was awarded to FE anyways. Fraps show exactly that, no interpretation necessary, we had a raid, they didn't. FE kites the mob and ruins our chance to even engage it.

you want us to get crystal clear fraps of the situation, we do, still doesn't matter, here's your loot FE

^

[arsenalpow]

looks like supremacy pulled draco to WW and began tanking it. l2play

pulling to who? no one was in zone. The fraps show the only other person in zone is their tracker which is probably above the TT arch or the bell tower. You can pull a raid mob to a waiting group of people/raid. If it's just you it's not a pull, it's a fucking kite. He KITED the mob away from our raid for multiple minutes, this interfered with our ability to even pull the mob in the first place. If we wait for him to die while he dicks around he just buys his guild time to show up and assist him. It's basically a lose/lose scenario for him. He either disqualifies us when we try to justifiably kill the mob or he buys his raid time to show up and peel it off him

how is that possibly ok?

[Nizzarr]

pretty sure it would take less time as a guild to farm money and buy bcgs from the market than camp them

[arsenalpow]

pulling to who? no one was in zone. The fraps show the only other person in zone is their tracker which is probably above the TT arch or the bell tower. You can pull a raid mob to a waiting group of people/raid. If it's just you it's not a pull, it's a fucking kite. He KITED the mob away from our raid for multiple minutes, this interfered with our ability to even pull the mob in the first place. If we wait for him to die while he dicks around he just buys his guild time to show up and assist him. It's basically a lose/lose scenario for him. He either disqualifies us when we try to justifiably kill the mob or he buys his raid time to show up and peel it off him

how is that possibly ok?

lose/lose for us
win/win for him

i'm bad at typing

[Lojik]

Should just make it whoever can KS gets loots

[Tanthallas]

In all honesty however, this situation seems very very similar to a particular Faydedar that got awarded to FE when TMO was dying.

Except that one raid force didnt partially wipe and then proceed to kite a mob around. Even on the 30 minute Sev, there was no attempt to kite to wait for reinforcements. But you know, its probably the same thing.

[mishurza]

That's kinda of strange. 3 CTs in a row now TMO has pulled draco out of a kite that was underway and as far as I know there were no petitions.

[YendorLootmonkey]

So is the no kiting rule no longer in effect?

What should BDA have done to claim the mob? Just sit back, FRAPS kiting evidence, wait 5-10 minutes for the rest of FE's raid force to log in, let them kill it, then petition with the video of kiting to get loot handed to us?

Is that what the raiding scene has become? FRAPSQuest?

FE, you formed up to take on TMO and make the raid scene a better place. And now you're pulling this shady shit? How are you any better than what you willfully gathered together to oppose? I don't even think TMO would pull something like this, and that fucking pains me to say.

Next time you're bind rushing Sev and ask us for help to seal the deal so TMO doesn't get the kill, is this what you want us to remember and tell you to piss off?

[Ele]

What should BDA have done to claim the mob? Just sit back, FRAPS kiting evidence, wait 5-10 minutes for the rest of FE's raid force to log in, let them kill it, then petition with the video of kiting to get loot handed to us?

Is that what the raiding scene has become? FRAPSQuest?

Yes. Yes.

how is that possibly ok?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Should not have peeled it off the FTE'er. Should have let him wipe, then get that sweet golden FTE message and you are good to go.

Better would have been to continue frapsing the kite and get them raid suspended.

Even better do both!

[mishurza]

Total the time Faydedar was not on a tank and running toward a TMO member < Total time Sev was not on a tank and running towards an FE/IB member.

Our first wave of reinforcements was more than enough to handle Fay.

Did you guys keep the Sev loot or were you classy and give it to BDA for bailing you out?

[Derubael]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Should not have peeled it off the FTE'er. Should have let him wipe, then get that sweet golden FTE message and you are good to go.

Better would have been to continue frapsing the kite and get them raid suspended.

Even better do both!

^ this. If their puller hadn't let Draco melt his face, and instead ran him further (away from where FE was logging their force in) that would have been a kite. You guys made an honest mistake. Let's move on.

[Tanthallas]

They wanted first pick so we let them have first pick.

[Tanthallas]

So is the no kiting rule no longer in effect?

What should BDA have done to claim the mob? Just sit back, FRAPS kiting evidence, wait 5-10 minutes for the rest of FE's raid force to log in, let them kill it, then petition with the video of kiting to get loot handed to us?

Is that what the raiding scene has become? FRAPSQuest?

FE, you formed up to take on TMO and make the raid scene a better place. And now you're pulling this shady shit? How are you any better than what you willfully gathered together to oppose? I don't even think TMO would pull something like this, and that fucking pains me to say.

Next time you're bind rushing Sev and ask us for help to seal the deal so TMO doesn't get the kill, is this what you want us to remember and tell you to piss off?

Dont make this black and white Yendor, because you know it is not.

[Heebo]

pulling to who? no one was in zone. The fraps show the only other person in zone is their tracker which is probably above the TT arch or the bell tower. You can pull a raid mob to a waiting group of people/raid. If it's just you it's not a pull, it's a fucking kite. He KITED the mob away from our raid for multiple minutes, this interfered with our ability to even pull the mob in the first place. If we wait for him to die while he dicks around he just buys his guild time to show up and assist him. It's basically a lose/lose scenario for him. He either disqualifies us when we try to justifiably kill the mob or he buys his raid time to show up and peel it off him

how is that possibly ok?

He was going for super god status in the solo artist challenge. Who the fuck are you to deny him that opportunity?

[Sirken]

our decision was explained to your guilds representative in this dispute. However, since you apparently do not recognize Lead-CSR-GM Sirken and Guide Derubael's ability to make raid decisions, I will explain our reasoning to you so that you may understand before submitting a petition.

First off, Sirken and I were BOTH in Fear when Draco popped. We watched an FE puller start what looked to be an intentional kite. He ran to the wall and stopped. At this time, FE had FTE. So instead of letting the FE puller get wiped by Draco or start a Kite, BDA pulled aggro on FE's FTE and proceeded to try and pull him to the BDA camp. This in itself is against the rules. If another force has FTE you do not get to make the decision of when their FTE is no longer valid, period. You fraps the event, and you petition to the Staff. Or, as would have been the case in this scenario, since you had two gm's watching, we wouldn't have even needed a petition.

In pulling Draco off the FE puller, you essentially screwed yourself. Respect the FTE message at all times. If you think someone is breaking the rules, fraps the event and petition. Do not take matters into your own hands. If you hadn't pulled aggro off the FE puller, it is very likely he would have kited Draco along the wall instead of dying. However, since you did not allow him to do that, FE/IB is getting this kill

Please feel free to repost this verbatim to prevent any misinterpretation in my words. I would prefer if you don't take this opportunity to skew what I just said.

Thanks, and feel free to PM Rogean or Nilbog if you think our decision was biased or uncalled for, as they are the only 'higher authority' you will be able to reach in a raid dispute.