Are Nagafen and Vox still being raided?

[Axel Diaz]

Hi all,

One of the reasons why I joined Project 1999 was to have a chance to raid one of the old world dragons, Lady Vox or Lord Nagafen.

Now that Kunark is out and Velious is not far off, are the old world dragons still being raided?

Thanks in advance for your replies,
Corran

[Shift]

humm not sure but people go after Ragefire alot in Solb naggy's lair and lady vox humm i have not seen anybody say anything about a raid on her.

[-Catherin-]

Hi all,

One of the reasons why I joined Project 1999 was to have a chance to raid one of the old world dragons, Lady Vox or Lord Nagafen.

Now that Kunark is out and Velious is not far off, are the old world dragons still being raided?

Thanks in advance for your replies,
Corran

guilds have alt forces camped and they usually die within the hour

[Lojik]

guilds have alt forces camped and they usually die within the hour

This. Sorry some people are on this server solely to crush your dreams. Welcome to the server!

[Elements]

Just incentive to join one of the guilds killing the dragons you want. No one solos naggy/vox.

[The Situation]

TMO is pleased as punch with themselves for killing Naggy recently. Just as FE/IB were super proud of themselves for getting him last week.

http://whokilledit.com/


It's a game of who has an alt camped, that can alert the batphones, so everyone can log onto unused lvl 52 toons, to boast about killing him on the internet.

[Ele]

bladestoppers and rez sticks are essential to properly play Everquest.

[skipdog]

I find it hilarious how one simple question can spark so much rage from all the 'people jealous of others who want to gear up their alts'

[Clark]

Welcome

[Lojik]

Just incentive to join one of the guilds killing the dragons you want. No one solos naggy/vox.

But i want to! :mad:

[Aeolwind]

bladestoppers and rez sticks are essential to properly play Everquest.

Rez sticks with Coth create some awesome exploits.

[Droog007]

I find it hilarious how one simple question can spark so much rage from all the 'people jealous of others who want to gear up their alts'

Subtle sarcasm and snark aimed at the seemingly inexhaustible number of man-hours that are sunk into utterly dominating a 14yo elf simulator at all levels <> "so much rage"

[Itap]

I wouldn't say "raid", more like slaughter

[Alarti0001]

This. Sorry some people are on this server solely to crush your dreams. Welcome to the server!

After years of Kunark, the only thing keeping me going when I'm about to ignore a batphone is thinking of all the guilds I can oppress just by logging in.

Really!

[eqravenprince]

Hopefully EQNext doesn't have contested mobs like Vox and Naggy. Contested content is the single biggest thing wrong with EQ. Like I want to compete with someone who has no life beyond EQ. They win. I've conceded, I don't even try to raid in EQ. I enjoy solo and group game here.

[Swifty]

Contested content is the single best thing about everquest

there, fixed taht for ya

[kotton05]

bladestoppers and rez sticks are essential to properly play Everquest.

this ^ also I think bda has had him locked down recently

[sanforce]

there, fixed taht for ya

there, fixed that for ya

[Swifty]

there, fixed that for ya

racist

[sanforce]

To get Naggy/Vox loot, you should get to 60 and join a raiding guild, then level an alt to 52 for Naggy/Vox raids .... like the rest of us!

[Spitty]

Rez sticks with Coth create some awesome exploits.

They better freaking be worthy exploits at over 200k per click (2 million plat recharge cost, are you serious?).

[fadetree]

14yo elf simulator

You say this a lot. It's not an elf simulator, and who gives a shit how old it is? People get all worked up about chess, and nobody says 'aaah, its just a 2000yr old horse simulator', which is about as accurate as you calling EQ an elf simulator.

Now, don't forget to say 'rage' several times in your reply.

[Erasong]

After years of Kunark, the only thing keeping me going when I'm about to ignore a batphone is thinking of all the guilds I can oppress just by logging in.

Really!

i lol'ed.

[Spitty]

You say this a lot. It's not an elf simulator, and who gives a shit how old it is? People get all worked up about chess, and nobody says 'aaah, its just a 2000yr old horse simulator', which is about as accurate as you calling EQ an elf simulator.

Now, don't forget to say 'rage' several times in your reply.

Droog's left hand is a 23-year-old sex simulator.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Droog's left hand is a 23-year-old sex simulator.

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

You owe me 1 adult diaper for this

[fastboy21]

You say this a lot. It's not an elf simulator, and who gives a shit how old it is? People get all worked up about chess, and nobody says 'aaah, its just a 2000yr old horse simulator', which is about as accurate as you calling EQ an elf simulator.

Now, don't forget to say 'rage' several times in your reply.

Exactly.

People loving EQ after 14 years is evidence of just how great a game it is; not evidence of how stupid the people who play it are.

You think anyone is going to want an authentic Rift emulator in 10 years?

[Lojik]

After years of Kunark, the only thing keeping me going when I'm about to ignore a batphone is thinking of all the guilds I can oppress just by logging in.

Really!

See I told you. From one of the leading members of the mythical glorious forces who are taken all our content.

[loramin]

Of course we could avoid all this hatred with rotations (like my live server Bristlebane used to do) ... but that's heresy!

[Alarti0001]

Of course we could avoid all this hatred with rotations (like my live server Bristlebane used to do) ... but that's heresy!

Please explain to me how a rotation would work on P99, so I can spend the rest of my day laughing at you.

[loramin]

As a terribly naive n00b who is about to get laughed at ...

I'd suggest the same way it worked on Bristlebane. As I rememeber it, basically anyone who wanted to lead a raid on Vox or Nagafen (those two were the only raid encounters on this system) would register in a forum somewhere, and then a random drawing would be done every so often to see who gets the next dragon. The winner would get like a week to raid the dragon, and if they failed to do so someone else got a chance.

Commence laughing.

[indiscriminate_hater]

pls respond tmo

[loramin]

Actually, I guess that's not a rotation so much as a drawing ... laugh at my poor choice of words :-)

[Nirgon]

a guild bank full of bladestoppers and rez sticks are essential to properly play Everquest.


ftfy

[Spitty]

Please explain to me how a rotation would work on P99, so I can spend the rest of my day laughing at you.

Jesus, you're in Seattle?

I never thought I'd feel sorry for a fucking city.

[August]

Jesus, you're in Seattle?

I never thought I'd feel sorry for a fucking city.

Feel bad for us for our SAD, not for Alarti.

It's not his fault he's like this.

[Spitty]

When someone's a dicktwat all year round, it ceases to be a seasonal condition.

[Axel Diaz]

Thanks for all of your responses, the helpful and the tangents alike.

And thank you Situation for linking http://whokilledit.com/ - neat tracker there.

I am gathering that Vox and Nagafen are currently still being raided, but they are kind of in a "first come, first serve" state?

Does TMO raid them regularly? Are there other guilds that are also raiding them regularly?

Best regards,

[Frieza_Prexus]

Thanks for all of your responses, the helpful and the tangents alike.

And thank you Situation for linking http://whokilledit.com/ - neat tracker there.

I am gathering that Vox and Nagafen are currently still being raided, but they are kind of in a "first come, first serve" state?

Does TMO raid them regularly? Are there other guilds that are also raiding them regularly?

Best regards,

Naggy generally goes down within 30 minutes of spawning, and Vox is taken out within an hour unless it's 4:00 AM.

TMO generally has no problem allowing tag-alongs for these raids, and we do it with some regularity. Make friends with a few people in the guild and ask for a small heads-up if the dragons spawn while you're playing.

If you become good friends with a few members, you might find one or two willing to send you a text message when the dragon pops so that you can join the raid.

[Alarti0001]

Jesus, you're in Seattle?

I never thought I'd feel sorry for a fucking city.

When someone's a dicktwat all year round, it ceases to be a seasonal condition.

LOL.....I'm really worried about what someone who says "dicktwat" thinks of me.

Really!

[Alarti0001]

As a terribly naive n00b who is about to get laughed at ...

I'd suggest the same way it worked on Bristlebane. As I rememeber it, basically anyone who wanted to lead a raid on Vox or Nagafen (those two were the only raid encounters on this system) would register in a forum somewhere, and then a random drawing would be done every so often to see who gets the next dragon. The winner would get like a week to raid the dragon, and if they failed to do so someone else got a chance.

Commence laughing.

Well put this system you had in the past on the P99 server. You have numbers above 1000 consistently throughout the week, most of which have at least a level 50+(not that it takes more than a day or 2 to get 50).
All of which would like a non-competitive chance to kill a dragon.
It takes maybe 6 people to kill naggy or vox with donal's bp's. Maybe 12 or so without.
Do you are going to have up to about 12 (est.) per dragon per week. Lets say that miraculously by random chance every group of people wanting to kill a dragon got a chance and there were no repeats through out that time. With that criteria it would take 83 weeks to get through 1000ppl (peak population). There are ALOT more players then you see on the server at any given time.

Do you see the inherent problem here?

[Spitty]

Oh, don't worry.

I, like much of the world, wasn't really expecting anything of you - least of all an emotional response that would betray some kind of self-awareness.

That poor city.

[radditsu]

Troll post is troll. Boot it to RNF so I can do gods work on this thread

[Spitty]

I don't post in RnF.

[radditsu]

You should, It's fun!

[Derubael]

yes, moved to rnf.

flame on.

[Spitty]

I have heard such rumours.

Someday, when I become a real shaman, I want to join TMO and I heard they, being the upstanding pillars of society around here, frown on such things.

[Spitty]

Aw fuck.

[Clark]

Naggy generally goes down within 30 minutes of spawning, and Vox is taken out within an hour unless it's 4:00 AM.

TMO generally has no problem allowing tag-alongs for these raids, and we do it with some regularity. Make friends with a few people in the guild and ask for a small heads-up if the dragons spawn while you're playing.

If you become good friends with a few members, you might find one or two willing to send you a text message when the dragon pops so that you can join the raid.

No joke you posted this exact response in a different thread. Don't be a robot lol.

[radditsu]

First of all, alarti you are the worst troll this side of eccezan.

Second. How can you guys continue to fall for these obvious troll threads in the server chat. 5mins on these forums and everyone should know that these two insignificant raid mobs, only done for loot cockblocks and RMT money, are on 24/7 lockdown.

Open up another blue server with only new IPs able to connect to it. We deserve each other...but newbies deserve better.

[radditsu]

For the tldr crowd: u dum as shite

[Gaffin 3.0]

taken still raiding naggy and vox to help tmo RMT?

[radditsu]

Gotta make rent

[Champion_Standing]

You are all a bunch of fucking animals

[Frieza_Prexus]

No joke you posted this exact response in a different thread. Don't be a robot lol.

It was easier to do that; dinner was on the stove!

[Splorf22]

Do you see the inherent problem here?

You don't like sharing?

[Detoxx]

You don't like sharing?

We share plenty of our VP loot with you guys! Come on now, be fair!

[Thulack]

We Sell plenty of our VP loot with you guys! Come on now, be fair!

[Splorf22]

We share plenty of our VP loot with you guys! Come on now, be fair!

It seems to me I also do some sharing in that arrangement :)

But on a more serious note, sure I understand that if we had rotations the lists would be long. It'd be like 5-10 guilds immediately, and then as time wore on that number would be 15. But I don't think that is worse than the situation we have now, where the vast majority of people don't get to participate at all, and those that do burn out fast after spending 40 hours a week poopsocking VS. I haven't seen Motec around recently . . .

[Alarti0001]

It seems to me I also do some sharing in that arrangement :)

But on a more serious note, sure I understand that if we had rotations the lists would be long. It'd be like 5-10 guilds immediately, and then as time wore on that number would be 15. But I don't think that is worse than the situation we have now, where the vast majority of people don't get to participate at all, and those that do burn out fast after spending 40 hours a week poopsocking VS. I haven't seen Motec around recently . . .

It takes 20 people to kill almost anything. These big raid guilds designed around constant tracking and 24/7 availability would be multiple guilds.
TMO 1-10 FE/IB 1-15.

You don't think.

[Ella`Ella]

Every person on P99 has the opportunity to experience high-end content. You have your options of FE/IB or TMO for the most part - neither are closed on recruitment. As is the nature of any MMO, whether it be on an emulated server or live, the element of competition and time invested will determine what level of content you want to/will see.

[Skywarp]

Without contested spawns there is no real competition. Eqnext is gonna suck just like eq2 did after a few years. The only thing that makes p99 a bitch to play is that the content is bottlenecked. Join a guild and have fun. Best you can do.

[Llodd]

It takes 20 people to kill almost anything. These big raid guilds designed around constant tracking and 24/7 availability would be multiple guilds.
TMO 1-10 FE/IB 1-15.

You don't think.

Which obviously is not an actual impedement to a rotation working. The only impedement is the one in your head that's shouting at you about losing pixels.

[Disclaimer: in no way does any of the above reflect my actual opinion!]

[Alarti0001]

Which obviously is not an actual impedement to a rotation working. The only impedement is the one in your head that's shouting at you about losing pixels.

[Disclaimer: in no way does any of the above reflect my actual opinion!]

No the impediment is very basic. What person or group of people is going to want to wait 30-40 weeks to raid something if they have a desire to raid?

[Calabee]

Do you are going to have

yo alarti im french and can sincerely say that made close to no sense what so ever

Eqnext is gonna suck just like eq2 did after a few years.

Eq2 had contested raid mobs? least classic + first expansion did, i stopped playing when my old guild beat desert of flames

[Splorf22]

No the impediment is very basic. What person or group of people is going to want to wait 30-40 weeks to raid something if they have a desire to raid?

Considering the amount of work that goes into the current raid scene, I'm going to say everyone in TMO/IB/FE. Also as per usual you are screwing up basic math. If we did have 40 guilds on the server, with ~20 targets they'd get one target every other week each.

All of your arguments boil down to 'I don't want to share'. Now I don't personally have an issue with that, but you should just be straight about it rather than pretending that the current system is superior from a utilitarian perspective.

[Alarti0001]

Considering the amount of work that goes into the current raid scene, I'm going to say everyone in TMO/IB/FE. Also as per usual you are screwing up basic math. If we did have 40 guilds on the server, with ~20 targets they'd get one target every other week each.

All of your arguments boil down to 'I don't want to share'. Now I don't personally have an issue with that, but you should just be straight about it rather than pretending that the current system is superior from a utilitarian perspective.

1. I didn't do any math just an estimate, and that was a quick estimate on a single target not on every target.

2. My argument boils down to I don't want to wait, and I prefer to compete. (Cause thats fun.) If someone wants rotations or instances they know what games to play, thats not classic EQ.

[Alarti0001]

yo alarti im french and can sincerely say that made close to no sense what so ever



Don't demean the rest of your culture. I am sure many french would have noticed that "Do" was an unnecessary word and obviously intended for a different sentence that was left/edited out.

[Tenlaar]

If someone wants rotations or instances they know what games to play, thats not classic EQ.

Faulty logic, rotations were classic EQ on my server.

[Alarti0001]

Faulty logic, rotations were classic EQ on my server.

On which targets. What do you deem as Classic? Does your 1 server represent the many? Also, prove it. So far someone was able to show 1 rotation on 1-3 targets during Velious.

[loramin]

No, I don't see the problem at all. In the drawing scenario everyone on the server has an equal chance of getting to see Vox and Naggy. Might take them awhile to win a drawing, but they can always work with the people who do win if they're impatient. And even if they do have to wait awhile, even a whole year, that still beats ... never.

In the current scenario, one guild is the only one that gets to see either dragon. Seems like the drawing is a lot better for everyone on the server except TMO, and the current situtaion is good for ... TMO.

[loramin]

Whoops left out the quote; my previous post was meant to be a response to:

Well put this system you had in the past on the P99 server. You have numbers above 1000 consistently throughout the week, most of which have at least a level 50+(not that it takes more than a day or 2 to get 50).
All of which would like a non-competitive chance to kill a dragon.
It takes maybe 6 people to kill naggy or vox with donal's bp's. Maybe 12 or so without.
Do you are going to have up to about 12 (est.) per dragon per week. Lets say that miraculously by random chance every group of people wanting to kill a dragon got a chance and there were no repeats through out that time. With that criteria it would take 83 weeks to get through 1000ppl (peak population). There are ALOT more players then you see on the server at any given time.

Do you see the inherent problem here?

[Tewaz]

After Velious turns into the same situation, I hope they add PoP, but only have it set up as a Wiz port to the Plane of Tranquility, completely leave out the plane of Knowledge. AA's and a ton of raid targets should satisfy the player base.

Until an influx of new players happens, then we have a new problem.

[Tenlaar]

On which targets. What do you deem as Classic? Does your 1 server represent the many? Also, prove it. So far someone was able to show 1 rotation on 1-3 targets during Velious.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010604035744/http://www.innoruuk.com/frames.asp?forward=calendar/calendar.asp
Innoruuk server had planar rotations. Sky wasn't scheduled but first in force was respected. Outside of the planes, dragons etc. were also FiF. I suppose it would have been more accurate to say we had a mix.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010215174402/http://pub42.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm8
Ayonae Ro raid forum with raids being scheduled.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010603143509/http://fenninraid.sok.org/calendar.pl
Fennin Ro planes schedule.

I'm not spending all day looking this shit up. Most live servers were not this clusterfuck and greed and douchebaggery, just accept it.

[radditsu]

1 naggy / vox a month ffa for newbies shouldnt be such a big deal. But 10 years into kunark here we are.

[kotton05]

I'm not spending all day looking this shit up. Most live servers were not this clusterfuck and greed and douchebaggery, just accept it.

exactly, something a certain few can't understand

[Lojik]

Innoruuk server had planar rotations. Sky wasn't scheduled but first in force was respected. Outside of the planes, dragons etc. were also FiF. I suppose it would have been more accurate to say we had a mix.


Ayonae Ro raid forum with raids being scheduled.


Fennin Ro planes schedule.

I'm not spending all day looking this shit up. Most live servers were not this clusterfuck and greed and douchebaggery, just accept it.

The problem here is that on live there were dedicated GM's who were paid. GM's here are volunteers, they really can't be expected to put in this kind of effort.

Many of these targets are die in seconds because top guilds have access to 100's of accounts and characters and can switch in seconds with IP exemptions. On live, in order to have this sort of force you'd have to fork over thousands of dollars a month. Here the cost? $0. Also there was a real life cost to being a D-bag on live...if you got banned you'd have to start all over and buy all the expansions again. Here...just new account and your pals PL you back to 60. Also harder to get caught being a D-bag here.

Pretty much just comes down to this- You get what you pay for. Things were better on live cause A) it was the first time around, but also you paid for service and for GM's to enforce people not being jerks. Here, it's a free service, and free services tend to get abused. There is plenty of content here to enjoy (for $0 mind you) that doesn't require poopsock/batphone/etc. If you really want to experience the raid scene, be prepared to put in more time/effort than the other guys who want it too.

[Tenlaar]

None of those things are new to me. And none of those things change the fact that it wasn't like this for most people on live, which is all that I was "prove it"ing.

[Alarti0001]

No, I don't see the problem at all. In the drawing scenario everyone on the server has an equal chance of getting to see Vox and Naggy. Might take them awhile to win a drawing, but they can always work with the people who do win if they're impatient. And even if they do have to wait awhile, even a whole year, that still beats ... never.

In the current scenario, one guild is the only one that gets to see either dragon. Seems like the drawing is a lot better for everyone on the server except TMO, and the current situtaion is good for ... TMO.

Good luck keeping server population up on a 1 year to see a mob rotation.

[Alarti0001]

Innoruuk server had planar rotations. Sky wasn't scheduled but first in force was respected. Outside of the planes, dragons etc. were also FiF. I suppose it would have been more accurate to say we had a mix.


Ayonae Ro raid forum with raids being scheduled.


Fennin Ro planes schedule.

I'm not spending all day looking this shit up. Most live servers were not this clusterfuck and greed and douchebaggery, just accept it.


Planar raid aren't exactly comparable to "boss targets"

Also your ayonae ro link was from 2001, for planar raids.
This is my point. Rotations on Raid bosses was not classic ;0)

[Llodd]

No the impediment is very basic. What person or group of people is going to want to wait 30-40 weeks to raid something if they have a desire to raid?

I'd suspect the majority of the server would rather see this than the current scene. And ofcourse 30-40 weeks is a gross over exageration. And with that in mind you'd do well to remind yourself that this is actually how an awful lot of people get to experience the game and yet they still play. I suppose if rotations did become mandatory, the scum of the server that don't want to share would leave making this place a wholly better place. Food for thought eh.

No the impediment is very basic. What person or group of people is going to want to wait 30-40 weeks to raid something if they have a desire to raid?

Which is still not an impedement to a rotation working! Like I said, the impediment is only coming from your own selfishness.

2. My argument boils down to I don't want to wait, and I prefer to compete. (Cause thats fun.) If someone wants rotations or instances they know what games to play, thats not classic EQ.

Rotations on Raid bosses was not classic ;0)

yes yes classic EQ. So why do you log alts out at raid targets? (not classic); why is their so little actual racing to targets (totally classic, non existant here), why do you use TS (not classic) why do you train in VP (not classic) why do you/your affiliates buy so so many accounts (not classic). Why is there yadaydayadablahblah blah

Please, you simply can't use classic EQ as an argument for anything when most of the crap you pull is the opposite of that.

[Disclaimer: The above does not infer my view either way on rotations]

[Alarti0001]

I'd suspect the majority of the server would rather see this than the current scene. And ofcourse 30-40 weeks is a gross over exageration. And with that in mind you'd do well to remind yourself that this is actually how an awful lot of people get to experience the game and yet they still play. I suppose if rotations did become mandatory, the scum of the server that don't want to share would leave making this place a wholly better place. Food for thought eh.



Which is still not an impedement to a rotation working! Like I said, the impediment is only coming from your own selfishness.



yes yes classic EQ. So why do you log alts out at raid targets? (not classic); why is their so little actual racing to targets (totally classic, non existant here), why do you use TS (not classic) why do you train in VP (not classic) why do you/your affiliates buy so so many accounts (not classic). Why is there yadaydayadablahblah blah

Please, you simply can't use classic EQ as an argument for anything when most of the crap you pull is the opposite of that.

[Disclaimer: The above does not infer my view either way on rotations]

You do realize my post was in response to a post of someone saying rotations were classic? That was what was being debated......

[G13]

This. Sorry some people are on this server solely to crush your dreams. Welcome to the server!

P99 in a nutshell

It will never change

[G13]

TMO is pleased as punch with themselves for killing Naggy recently. Just as FE/IB were super proud of themselves for getting him last week.

http://whokilledit.com/


It's a game of who has an alt camped, that can alert the batphones, so everyone can log onto unused lvl 52 toons, to boast about killing him on the internet.

Wait someone created a website to measure dicks on an EQ emu server?

The decent into madness is far more advanced than previously conceived

[Ele]

Wait someone created a website to measure dicks on an EQ emu server?

The decent into madness is far more advanced than previously conceived

Wait until you see the red pvp monitor. srs biz

http://www.p99pvp.com/

[Tenlaar]

Planar raid aren't exactly comparable to "boss targets"
Except that if your guild had one of those planes when a "boss target" on them spawned, they were your mob. No guild was going to come running up behind you and cause a giant shit show. So yes, those planar raids included Inny, CT, Draco, Maestro, etc.

Also your ayonae ro link was from 2001, for planar raids.
This is my point. Rotations on Raid bosses was not classic ;0)

Excuse me? You know that until December of 2001 Live was in...Velious. For the purposes of this server, Classic EQ is classic Classic through Velious. Thuuuuuuus...follow along here...there were rotations that included planar "boss targets" through Velious on those servers.

There would be dancing in the fucking streets everywhere but in front of TMO's house if planar scheduling like we had and FiF requirements for non-planar mobs would be mandated and enforced.

[Alarti0001]

Except that if your guild had one of those planes when a "boss target" on them spawned, they were your mob. No guild was going to come running up behind you and cause a giant shit show. So yes, those planar raids included Inny, CT, Draco, Maestro, etc.



Excuse me? You know that until December of 2001 Live was in...Velious. For the purposes of this server, Classic EQ is classic Classic through Velious. Thuuuuuuus...follow along here...there were rotations that included planar "boss targets" through Velious on those servers.

There would be dancing in the fucking streets everywhere but in front of TMO's house if planar scheduling like we had and FiF requirements for non-planar mobs would be mandated and enforced.

Quick question.. does P99 have Velious right now?

[Fuddwin]

Poor Alarti

[Alarti0001]

Poor Alarti

http://i.imgur.com/T1EGB9G.png

Poor Notserp, Get some variety man!

[Metallikus]

TMO opposes rotations because then there would be no reason to have to tolerate being in the same guild with cocksuckers like alarti. They could be in a guild with nice people and still get loot in a rotation system. In essence, tmo would die and alarti would no longer be able to pay his rent from plat sales.

[Alarti0001]

TMO opposes rotations because then there would be no reason to have to tolerate being in the same guild with cocksuckers like alarti. They could be in a guild with nice people and still get loot in a rotation system. In essence, tmo would die and alarti would no longer be able to pay his rent from plat sales.

^^^

Anthrax's idea of a nice person.

[Tenlaar]

Quick question.. does P99 have Velious right now?

Not yet. Not my fault wayback machine won't go back further than '01.

Quick question...is that supposed to change the fact that I proved (after you said to!) that some servers had rotations going on stuff even through Velious? Or that your stubborn denial of any kind of rotations on live servers is complete garbage and based entirely on greed? Or that the fact that this server is going to be locked in Velious means that a rational and mature way to go about coexisting is even more important than on live servers?

[Tenlaar]

Oh, they got whatever server was down earlier back up I guess. So, for your viewing pleasure, here is my server's raid calendar from August 2000.

http://web.archive.org/web/20001119094700/http://www.innoruuk.com/frames.asp?forward=calendar/calendar.asp

Zomg planar rotation in Kunark era!

[Alarti0001]

On which targets. What do you deem as Classic? Does your 1 server represent the many? Also, prove it. So far someone was able to show 1 rotation on 1-3 targets during Velious.

Not yet. Not my fault wayback machine won't go back further than '01.

Quick question...is that supposed to change the fact that I proved (after you said to!) that some servers had rotations going on stuff even through Velious? Or that your stubborn denial of any kind of rotations on live servers is complete garbage and based entirely on greed? Or that the fact that this server is going to be locked in Velious means that a rational and mature way to go about coexisting is even more important than on live servers?

1-3 targets..... Fear/Sky/Hate.

GG

[Tenlaar]

If someone wants rotations or instances they know what games to play, thats not classic EQ.

So what you're saying is that your previous comment was wrong and thus you have no other logical opposition to sharing.

My argument boils down to I don't want to wait
Oh that's right, you're a greedy fuck and think you're more deserving of pixels than people with lives.

[Purdee]

MPoor Notserp, Get some variety man!


Pretty hilarious coming from the guy who says "prove it" and "derp" in every thread he decides to throw his moronic point of view into.

[radditsu]

Pretty hilarious coming from the guy who says "prove it" and "derp" in every thread he decides to throw his moronic point of view into.

[Alarti0001]

So what you're saying is that your previous comment was wrong and thus you have no other logical opposition to sharing.


Oh that's right, you're a greedy fuck and think you're more deserving of pixels than people with lives.

Instances was what PoP at the earliest?

Real rotations started in late velious on old content.
In late Velious if you want to start a rotation on stuff the uber guilds no longer care about go ahead.
Its basic supply and demand. There are roughly 17 mobs a week for 1000+ players. All you mentioned about rotations were on planar trash clears. We already have a sky rotation are you meaning to implement a Fear or Hate trash rotation? Go ahead and try it. Seems mostly pointless for this server though.

Just because you couldn't support your statement doesn't mean you have to get all angry. Most of the members of FE/IB/TMO etc have lives. We aren't 14 anymore most of us work, many of us have wives/husbands/children. If you really think that loggin in for a few minutes per raid taxes a personal life schedule you are severely deluded. However, I suspect you were just lashing out in anger and trying to massage your wounded ego by trying to negatively comment about a group of people whose opinions differ from you.

If you want to raid I suggest putting in an app at themysticalorder.net
Raiding really doesn't take that much time.

[Alarti0001]

Pretty hilarious coming from the guy who says "prove it" and "derp" in every thread he decides to throw his moronic point of view into.

Prove it and derp shows 100% more variety than notserp alone. However I can easily prove more variety :)

[radditsu]

Prove it derp

[Splorf22]

Real rotations started in late velious on old content.

Alarti, you are getting embarrassed in this thread. The man just posted a link to a rotation from Kunark. It even includes a Nagafen public raid. Considering how packed that raid calendar is, if those guilds chose not to leapfrog (err race, err 'compete') then mostly Innoruuk and Cazic Thule would be on rotation as well. This is the reason everyone laughs in your face as you mindlessly dribble your 'prove it' nonsense onto the Internet. When someone does 'prove it' you immediately deflect.

Conclusion: real rotations proven classic on some, but not all, live servers.

Raiding really doesn't take that much time.

If you don't choose to do your share of 500 hours a week (and it's going to be a lot more in Velious) of watching the linoleom peel, err I mean tracking. How much time do you spend per week tracking, Alarti?

There are roughly 17 mobs a week for 1000+ players
So? Be patient. Your life won't end if it takes you another 12 months to get an item on an emulated recreation of a 14 year old game.

[Derubael]

so....

can someone draw me a map?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Thanks for single-handedly ruining this server, Alarti.

[Alarti0001]

Thanks for single-handedly ruining this server, Alarti.

I'm powerful.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti, you are getting embarrassed in this thread. The man just posted a link to a rotation from Kunark. It even includes a Nagafen public raid. Considering how packed that raid calendar is, if those guilds chose not to leapfrog (err race, err 'compete') then mostly Innoruuk and Cazic Thule would be on rotation as well. This is the reason everyone laughs in your face as you mindlessly dribble your 'prove it' nonsense onto the Internet. When someone does 'prove it' you immediately deflect.

Conclusion: real rotations proven classic on some, but not all, live servers.



If you don't choose to do your share of 500 hours a week (and it's going to be a lot more in Velious) of watching the linoleom peel, err I mean tracking. How much time do you spend per week tracking, Alarti?



So? Be patient. Your life won't end if it takes you another 12 months to get an item on an emulated recreation of a 14 year old game.



If you are worried about getting an item on an emulated server... go play on PEQ :)

If you are worried about what made classic eq great.... you want to complete. Please a single public nagafen raid scheduled 2 months prior to velious does not equal a rotation. Notice how the following weeks dont indicate additional naggy kills.

I know you are anxious to try to prove me wrong because I am constantly pointing out how idiotic you are. All you really accomplish is demonstrating your inability to think.
Rotation implies multiples people "ROTATING" on a mob. This is one instance out of a month, it seems more likely the pub organizers coordinated with the uber guilds to get a shot. Or that an uber guild pubbed it because they wanted "bladestoppers".

[radditsu]

derp prove it derp derp".

[Troubled]

Oh, they got whatever server was down earlier back up I guess. So, for your viewing pleasure, here is my server's raid calendar from August 2000.

http://web.archive.org/web/20001119094700/http://www.innoruuk.com/frames.asp?forward=calendar/calendar.asp

Zomg planar rotation in Kunark era!

lol Dawn of the Phoenix. We always called it Dawn of the Penis. ftw

[Kushie]

Alarti is proud of being a giant douchebag. Mob rotations existed before Velious but were rare. Vox/Naggy are killed by armies of alts. Yendor is still a ranger. Did we learn anything else in this thread?

[radditsu]

Honestly, If they wont stop killing old world shit, what makes you think they will stop killing kunark shit?

[Alarti0001]

Honestly, If they wont stop killing old world shit, what makes you think they will stop killing kunark shit?

There is 17 raid mobs in Kunark and Classic combined. There is more than 17 in ToV alone. Questions?

[radditsu]

There is 17 raid mobs in Kunark and Classic combined. There is more than 17 in ToV alone. Questions?

And hundreds of greedy mouths to feed

[radditsu]

Derp prove it derp derp

[Alarti0001]

And hundreds of greedy mouths to feed

Velious mouths aren't fed by Kunark trash loot. Derp derp.... you are a terrible troll

[Lojik]

Velious mouths aren't fed by Kunark trash loot. Derp derp.... you are a terrible troll

I guess we'll have to wait and see for you guys to...wait for it...prove it! lol

[radditsu]

I guess we'll have to wait and see for you guys to...wait for it...prove it! lol

Forgot derp

[Splorf22]

All you really accomplish is demonstrating your inability to think.

prove it derp

p.s. how many hours a week do you track?

[Alarti0001]

prove it derp

p.s. how many hours a week do you track?

Depends which book i have checked out from the library.

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/y08fSRU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qQJjMzS.jpg

[Bazia]

i remember when kunark opening was gonna open up old world mobs














































yeah


























yes

[Frieza_Prexus]

Also, prove it. So far someone was able to show 1 rotation on 1-3 targets during Velious.

Without discussing the merits of such a system, rotations are undeniably classic despite being somewhat of a minority system. Archive.org can demonstrate this for the Prexus server by accessing the Dragon Raid forum where the rotation was initially organized before later being managed on the keepersofthefaith.org website by Kamchak (who was incidentally better known as Rowyl of the EQ dev team).

In addition you may have seen the "oops we poofed Dain again" video our server created. This was in response to a guild poofing Dain multiple times when it was their turn on the rotation to "prove themselves" worthy of being allowed onto it. Every time they got a chance to get on the rotation they poofed him and it became a running joke. Prexus mobs were initially rotated between two guilds and the rotations ballooned as more guilds became capable of tackling the content. Eventually all Kunark content sans VP was on rotation (but VP was never contested given that only a handful of keys were on the server during this time). Dain, Tormax, and most Velious mobs (sans ToV) entered the rotation as well. ToV was uncontested initially as only one guild was killing there. Even Vex Thal was rotated to some degree, and Vox and Nagafen were rotated amongst the smaller guilds for many years.

In sum, yes rotations are classic and existed from simple systems to complex schemes involving voluminous rules and a near complete variety of raid targets.

Prexus Rotation System - Cursory Evidences

http://i.imgur.com/yuMwl3i.png

[Alarti0001]

Without discussing the merits of such a system, rotations are undeniably classic despite being somewhat of a minority system. Archive.org can demonstrate this for the Prexus server by accessing the Dragon Raid forum where the rotation was initially organized before later being managed on the keepersofthefaith.org website by Kamchak (who was incidentally better known as Rowyl of the EQ dev team).

In addition you may have seen the "oops we poofed Dain again" video our server created. This was in response to a guild poofing Dain multiple times when it was their turn on the rotation to "prove themselves" worthy of being allowed onto it. Every time they got a chance to get on the rotation they poofed him and it became a running joke. Prexus mobs were initially rotated between two guilds and the rotations ballooned as more guilds became capable of tackling the content. Eventually all Kunark content sans VP was on rotation (but VP was never contested given that only a handful of keys were on the server during this time). Dain, Tormax, and most Velious mobs (sans ToV) entered the rotation as well. ToV was uncontested initially as only one guild was killing there. Even Vex Thal was rotated to some degree, and Vox and Nagafen were rotated amongst the smaller guilds for many years.

In sum, yes rotations are classic and existed from simple systems to complex schemes involving voluminous rules and a near complete variety of raid targets.

Prexus Rotation System - Cursory Evidences




The debate has always been what was rotated and when.
Your evidence is in line with everything else unearthed.
Also that 9/2000 post is showing 0 replies 0 views..... Is dragons a name? I mean I was in a council of dragons guild. We also had a guild named Platinum dragons on fennin ro.

[Alarti0001]

The fact that you faggots actually call each other to kill a pixel dragon should embarrass you.

Why?

[Ele]

The fact that you faggots actually call each other to kill a pixel dragon should embarrass you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-CHG_To7Ag

[Fazlazen]

On Karana, the Karana Council of Guilds was there. Most of the stuff was being rotated. Easy stuff by alot of guilds, hard stuff by few.

This was early as classic/classic.

It was horrible. You had to wait like 5 months to kill easy mobs such as Fay or VS.

[indiscriminate_hater]

The fact that you faggots actually call each other to kill a pixel dragon should embarrass you.

Sig worthy

[stonez138]

The debate has always been what was rotated and when.
Your evidence is in line with everything else unearthed.
Also that 9/2000 post is showing 0 replies 0 views..... Is dragons a name? I mean I was in a council of dragons guild. We also had a guild named Platinum dragons on fennin ro.

Can't/Won't admit he's wrong even when his guildmate proves it....

Classic Alarti.

[p99soundsok]

Contested content is the single biggest thing wrong with EQ. Like I want to compete with someone who has no life beyond EQ. They win.

^

[stonez138]

If you are worried about getting an item on an emulated server... go play on PEQ

If you are worried about what made classic eq great.... you want to complete.

Because we all know that camping your level 60's at a mobs spawn point, waiting a unknown/random ammount of time for a batphone from your twitter account , and hoping you get FTE is what made EQ classic great!

Thats exactly how raiding was on live!

[Yapas]

Are you really this much of a miserable cunt that you have to grief other's chance at end game encounters, just because you obviously have no life, and you can? Or are you just a sociopath? Oh, and I don't have to "prove it." You consistently prove that you're a piece of shit on your own.

Woow you really sound pathetic now! :eek:

[Raavak]

Naggy and Vox still some of the most fun raids around.

[Splorf22]

The debate has always been what was rotated and when.
Your evidence is in line with everything else unearthed.
Also that 9/2000 post is showing 0 replies 0 views..... Is dragons a name? I mean I was in a council of dragons guild. We also had a guild named Platinum dragons on fennin ro.

So, we now have Faz saying there was a rotation on Karana, Xasten saying there was a rotation on Prexus, and Tenlaar saying there was a rotation on Innoruuk. Whether or not this is good or bad, it's obvious that, as I said, rotations were classic on some, but not all, servers.

How about you admit you were wrong on that one?

[Ele]

https://web.archive.org/web/20010624112737/http://pub3.ezboard.com/fkeepersofthefaithfrm6

Prexus rotations for: Trakanon, VS, CT, Dain

Nagafen/Vox + Planes were previously posted.

http://i.imgur.com/1bMX41L.png

[kotton05]

Who are you, and why should I give a fiddler's fuck about your opinion on anything?

He's just a coat tail rider peanut gallery shit talker.

[Yapas]

He's just a coat tail rider peanut gallery shit talker.

lol why are you perma "mad" ?? :confused:

[Alarti0001]

He's just a coat tail rider peanut gallery shit talker.

^Rode on 3 guilds coat tails recently.
Merkk would know!

[Nune]

^Rode on 3 guilds coat tails recently.
Merkk would know!

hows eharmony dawg

[Nune]

Who are you, and why should I give a fiddler's fuck about your opinion on anything?

npcf whoru

[Frieza_Prexus]

Fay, Sev, Talendor, and others can also been seen in the calendar reservation system if you follow the posted sites to the calendar system. Tormax, Zlandicar, and Yelinak were eventually added to rotations, but it took a long time for the server to catch up to the first guild to down them.

Also, lol @ 25+ guilds on VS rotation.

http://i.imgur.com/d3GBwci.png

[Metallikus]

So, we now have Faz saying there was a rotation on Karana, Xasten saying there was a rotation on Prexus, and Tenlaar saying there was a rotation on Innoruuk. Whether or not this is good or bad, it's obvious that, as I said, rotations were classic on some, but not all, servers.

How about you admit you were wrong on that one?

We also had rotations on The Rathe / Karanas server. Our calendar was called the rathe travel agency (rta). The rules were you had to race and beat one of the guilds already on rotation to get on it with your guild for each mob in question. Planes could be reserved on the calendar in advance for a guild for a day and in some cases a weekend. This was during velious era, I don't think we had rotations pre-velious, or if we did, it was just between the top guilds.

The thing is it was all handled very civil like instead of everyone being pieces of shit about it. GMs didn't allow guilds to train each other. Raid forces respected each other, if a raid force was in a plane, no other raid force would enter out of mutual respect.

[Alarti0001]

So, we now have Faz saying there was a rotation on Karana, Xasten saying there was a rotation on Prexus, and Tenlaar saying there was a rotation on Innoruuk. Whether or not this is good or bad, it's obvious that, as I said, rotations were classic on some, but not all, servers.

How about you admit you were wrong on that one?

Im showing some targets rotated 7 months into velious. Almost all of which were previous content targets. I never said there wasn't rotations I said there wasnt boss mob rotations in Kunark, and that when boss mobs get added it was like 1-3 targets.
Which completely supports my other statement that Kunark becomes less interesting in Velious and the top guilds lay off on the mobs so rotations can be formed for the more casual guilds.

[Frieza_Prexus]

I said there wasnt boss mob rotations in Kunark

https://web.archive.org/web/20011031143355/http://pub13.ezboard.com/fprexus95980raids?page=16
http://i.imgur.com/V7xVNQb.png

On this, half-eaten, broken archive.org page you have a Sev reservation on 12/30/00. 25 days after the launch of Velious. In addition to the Trak and VS rotations already demonstrated (including a VS thread 55 days after the launch of Velious shown here) you have 5+ witnesses all attesting to the validity of rotations that shared the majority of raid targets in their current expansions

If you examine this smartcalendar link: https://web.archive.org/web/20001202192200/http://www.smartcal.com/calendar/1101707

You'll notice that the Prexus dragon rotations were in effect BEFORE 12/5/00, and that they were not modified on this page after 12/5/00 because they were left as they were during Kunark - as a reservation system that included all boss mobs with the exception of VP which was not cleared by a second guild until well into Velious. Rotations did exist in classic, and they included much of the most current content at any given time.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Xasten vs Alarti in a "prove-it-no-you-prove-it" showdown makes my dick hard.

[Alarti0001]

https://web.archive.org/web/20011031143355/http://pub13.ezboard.com/fprexus95980raids?page=16
http://i.imgur.com/V7xVNQb.png

On this, half-eaten, broken archive.org page you have a Sev reservation on 12/30/00. 25 days after the launch of Velious. In addition to the Trak and VS rotations already demonstrated (including a VS thread 55 days after the launch of Velious shown here) you have 5+ witnesses all attesting to the validity of rotations that shared the majority of raid targets in their current expansions

If you examine this smartcalendar link: https://web.archive.org/web/20001202192200/http://www.smartcal.com/calendar/1101707

You'll notice that the Prexus dragon rotations were in effect BEFORE 12/5/00, and that they were not modified on this page after 12/5/00 because they were left as they were during Kunark - as a reservation system that included all boss mobs with the exception of VP which was not cleared by a second guild until well into Velious. Rotations did exist in classic, and they included much of the most current content at any given time.


Dragon rotations implies what? Naggy/vox? Didn't we already state that old content was rotated occasionally when new content came out?

[Splorf22]

It says Severilous right in the middle.

/boggle

[Alarti0001]

It says Severilous right in the middle.

/boggle

Date shows velious.... either way Dragon Rotations applies to his other link that labels dragon rotations therein.

[Tiggles]

Xasten vs Alarti in a "prove-it-no-you-prove-it" showdown makes my dick hard.

If you had access to our forums your dick would explode then.


I ignore Elethia, Xatsen and Alarti equally they don't know they are exactly the same just on the different end of the spectrum.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Date shows velious.... either way Dragon Rotations applies to his other link that labels dragon rotations therein.

http://i.imgur.com/BpLPcJ8.jpg

[Alarti0001]

http://i.imgur.com/BpLPcJ8.jpg

https://web.archive.org/web/20001202192200/http://www.smartcal.com/calendar/1101707

[Llodd]

You do realize my post was in response to a post of someone saying rotations were classic? That was what was being debated......

Well I can't say that I'm not suprised. Perhaps if I bring it down to your level you might understand.:

Did poor ittle awarti not like what he saw so just ignored it again?

You gotta stop contradicting yourself. Ya oxymoron (or oxymoran if you're a tool like that)

[Cochonou]

Well put this system you had in the past on the P99 server. You have numbers above 1000 consistently throughout the week, most of which have at least a level 50+(not that it takes more than a day or 2 to get 50).
All of which would like a non-competitive chance to kill a dragon.
It takes maybe 6 people to kill naggy or vox with donal's bp's. Maybe 12 or so without.
Do you are going to have up to about 12 (est.) per dragon per week. Lets say that miraculously by random chance every group of people wanting to kill a dragon got a chance and there were no repeats through out that time. With that criteria it would take 83 weeks to get through 1000ppl (peak population). There are ALOT more players then you see on the server at any given time.

Do you see the inherent problem here?

TMO is the problem

[Tasslehofp99]

TMO is the problem

haha this guy is awesome, and I agree with him.

[Alarti0001]

TMO is the problem

Who is your play character and what guild are you in?

[radditsu]

Who is your play character and what guild are you in?

Wouldn't YOU like to know?

[Cochonou]

Who is your play character and what guild are you in?


One of the many guys in the many guilds you and your comrades are shitting on.

[radditsu]

One of the many guys in the many guilds you and your comrades are shitting on.

Is that like a chocolate or something?

[Alarti0001]

One of the many guys in the many guilds you and your comrades are shitting on.

Ya which guy/guild? How have we shat on you?
Also, isn't it kind of childish to lead an anti-tmo crusade anonymously? I won't call the NDA on your, promise.

[radditsu]

Ya which guy/guild? How have we shat on you?
Also, isn't it kind of childish to lead an anti-tmo crusade anonymously? I won't call the NDA on your, promise.

I will stop my crusade for a full pixel package come velious. I want first dibs on anything you may kill until I am satisfied. Of course IB/FE would have killed them first, but I am willing to wait 3 days to a week for respawns.

[Cochonou]

The fact that you don't even know you are shitting on other guilds speaks by itself. In addition, I am not leading any crusade , I state my mind. Nothing more, nothing less.

Reputation and karma is classic. Keep on looking down other players and let's see what happens

[Alarti0001]

The fact that you don't even know you are shitting on other guilds speaks by itself. In addition, I am not leading any crusade , I state my mind. Nothing more, nothing less.

Reputation and karma is classic. Keep on looking down other players and let's see what happens

I look down on people who hide behind anonymity while slinging accusations without substance. =)

I also judge people by their individual actions, and almost never base an opinion about someone based on RnF(LOL).

I continue to rez and port anyone for free including BDA/FE/IB/Whoever.

Just cause I think Chest is scum doesn't mean I won't help BDA.

What do you do?

[Yapas]

I condemn TMO's stance and therefore refuse to have the following interactions with them :
- I refuse to port any TMO member, regardless of how much they pay for it.
- I refuse to buy from any TMO member, because I don't support RMT
- I refuse to rez any TMO member.

Warning ! Overdose immersion detected !

[Metallikus]

TMO wants to know exactly who you are so he can cyber stalk you and grief you outside of game as well as in game if you are ever a threat to their pixels

[Cochonou]

Thanks for the heads up Metallikus

[Alarti0001]

TMO wants to know exactly who you are so he can cyber stalk you and grief you outside of game as well as in game if you are ever a threat to their pixels

Did you accept your invitation to <Tinfoil Hats> yet?

[Yapas]

TMO wants to know exactly who you are so he can cyber stalk you and grief you outside of game as well as in game if you are ever a threat to their pixels

lol'ed, but we don't give a fuck about BDA/FE/IB hatred, this is our strengh.
About griefing, you should clean up your door before saying bullshit

[Raavak]

You cross us and all your megahertz will be ours.

[mgellan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-CHG_To7Ag

Those people are way too attractive to be gamers!!

Regards,
Mg

[Splorf22]

Date shows velious.... either way Dragon Rotations applies to his other link that labels dragon rotations therein.

What I don't understand is how your mental picture of yourself as this titan of rationality can be so divorced from the reality of 'if I don't like it then I don't even read it'.

http://www.politicsforum.org/images/flame_warriors/ferrous.jpg

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.

[Ele]

Those people are way too attractive to be gamers!!

Watching it again, I think that is Dule Hill (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0384211/) (Gus on Psych) @ 7 seconds (http://youtu.be/F-CHG_To7Ag?t=7s). haha!

[Nirgon]

You keep arguing with Alarti like it will change things in game

[Cochonou]

Who the fuck are you, again? Alarti and Quido's skeet boy? Wipe your chin before you start talking shit, junior.



Eccezan's tool as of today, but used to be Culprit's girlfriend

[Yapas]

Who the fuck are you, again? Alarti and Quido's skeet boy? Wipe your chin before you start talking shit, junior.

Who cares about the past ? you are as dust now just stfu lol

[Yapas]

Yeah, keep smoking. I'm sure that made sense in your head.

I don't need to have forum account created in nov 2009 to be allowed to talk here.

You should try weed, it will maybe help you to reduce your wrath :D

[Alarti0001]

Who the fuck are you, again? Alarti and Quido's skeet boy? Wipe your chin before you start talking shit, junior.

Who are you? LOL This kid is crazy.

[Cochonou]

/thread

[Raavak]

Dominating resources is something an alpha will do, and a beta will never understand and continually cry about how unfair it is. Its kinda fun recognizing these patterns everywhere in life, including P99.

[Alarti0001]

Says the dude who actually calls other people to tell them "It's dragon time!," brags about having every single end encounter mob camped, and actually enjoys keeping said mobs away from other people in the name of "competition."

What the fuck is wrong with you? Were you really slapped around that much in high school? Did someone probe your starfruit? Were you just dropped on your head, or did you just drop out of your mom's snatch a full formed sociopath piece of shit? And like I said before, I don't need to "prove it." You prove it yourself every day.

You know, the GMs and devs could shut you and your merry band of sociopathic outcasts the fuck down, but since it seems some of them are members, it won't happen. They could designate one night a week as a public pick up raid for whatever mob, lead it, and ban the fuck out of your little bitch train specialists as soon as they crawled out of your asshole, but that won't happen either. They could also wipe the player database completely down to zeros in 15 years when they finish Velious, make it an even playing field again with no Kiola nut and AFK mage pet exploits this time. Do something about "banned" RMTers who seem to pop right back up, but that won't happen either. So, I guess you and your girlfriends will be able to keep sucking each other's dicks about being the Lords of Elfgame, striking back at the society that knows what a pussy you are in the only way you can.

I'd rather call someone about "dragon time" then get this mad over a computer game.

Again, who are you?

[Nirgon]

Let's all make anon forum accounts and get wild in this bitch

[Alarti0001]

Let's all make anon forum accounts and get wild in this bitch

Too cowardly :(

[Orruar]

Dominating resources is something an alpha will do, and a beta will never understand and continually cry about how unfair it is. Its kinda fun recognizing these patterns everywhere in life, including P99.

It's interesting to see how people justify spending inordinate amounts of time on a video game. Some accept it as a problem and try to minimize, while others convince themselves that it somehow means they're an "alpha". To test your theory, it would be very interesting to see just how many resources the average TMO members dominates in real life. My guess is somewhere near $7.25 an hour.

[Alarti0001]

It's interesting to see how people justify spending inordinate amounts of time on a video game. Some accept it as a problem and try to minimize, while others convince themselves that it somehow means they're an "alpha". To test your theory, it would be very interesting to see just how many resources the average TMO members dominates in real life. My guess is somewhere near $7.25 an hour.

I'm sure you guess is an educated one based on the examination of facts and not some attempt to demean a social group in an attempt to exert your own need to be socially dominant.
I'm sure.

[Orruar]

I'm sure you guess is an educated one based on the examination of facts and not some attempt to demean a social group in an attempt to exert your own need to be socially dominant.
I'm sure.

I know you are but what am I.

[Alarti0001]

I know you are but what am I.

I'm like rubber, you're like glue..... etc.

[Orruar]

I'm like rubber, you're like glue..... etc.

I'm glad we finally reached a level of argument that you're more comfortable with.

[Alarti0001]

I'm sure you guess is an educated one based on the examination of facts and not some attempt to demean a social group in an attempt to exert your own need to be socially dominant.
I'm sure.

I know you are but what am I.

I'm glad we finally reached a level of argument that you're more comfortable with.

Hmmmmmm.....Looks like projection here.

[Orruar]

Hmmmmmm.....Looks like projection here.

Until you realize that your first statement you quoted is pretty much on the same level as the others.

[radditsu]

Says the dude who actually calls other people to tell them "It's dragon time!," brags about having every single end encounter mob camped, and actually enjoys keeping said mobs away from other people in the name of "competition."

What the fuck is wrong with you? Were you really slapped around that much in high school? Did someone probe your starfruit? Were you just dropped on your head, or did you just drop out of your mom's snatch a full formed sociopath piece of shit? And like I said before, I don't need to "prove it." You prove it yourself every day.

You know, the GMs and devs could shut you and your merry band of sociopathic outcasts the fuck down, but since it seems some of them are members, it won't happen. They could designate one night a week as a public pick up raid for whatever mob, lead it, and ban the fuck out of your little bitch train specialists as soon as they crawled out of your asshole, but that won't happen either. They could also wipe the player database completely down to zeros in 15 years when they finish Velious, make it an even playing field again with no Kiola nut and AFK mage pet exploits this time. Do something about "banned" RMTers who seem to pop right back up, but that won't happen either. So, I guess you and your girlfriends will be able to keep sucking each other's dicks about being the Lords of Elfgame, striking back at the society that knows what a pussy you are in the only way you can.




http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ96dy93mP0


I love it

[Alarti0001]

Until you realize that your first statement you quoted is pretty much on the same level as the others.

Except its not. I commented on how truthful your claim was. You supported it with school-yard quips. GJ!

[radditsu]

Derp prove it derp derp derp

[baalzy]

Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

(addressed at no one in particular).

[Barkingturtle]

Whoever fights pixel-monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a pixel-monster. And if you gaze long enough into a poopsock, the poopsock will gaze back into you.

~Friedrich Nietzsche, lvl 28 Ranger of Tunare

[kotton05]

May the sock be with you.

[Splorf22]

Also I have to congratulate Alarti on successfully deflecting the thread from its previous topic of 'Alarti desperately tries to ignore posted evidence about rotations being classic on some servers and twist language however is necessary to maintain his pristine worldview while everyone else looks on in wonder at these sperglike mental gymnastics'.

Also Alarti if your every post wasn't some variation of 'prove it', 'derp', 'projecting', 'TMO roxxors' etc you wouldn't run into these issues.

[Alarti0001]

Also I have to congratulate Alarti on successfully deflecting the thread from its previous topic of 'Alarti desperately tries to ignore posted evidence about rotations being classic on some servers and twist language however is necessary to maintain his pristine worldview while everyone else looks on in wonder at these sperglike mental gymnastics'.

Also Alarti if your every post wasn't some variation of 'prove it', 'derp', 'projecting', 'TMO roxxors' etc you wouldn't run into these issues.

If you ever brought evidence to your claims no would would need you to "prove it". Its a vicious cycle.

[Splorf22]

Yes, clearly there is no evidence in this thread at all. Your ability to deny reality is remarkable.

[Ele]

What is still disputed at this point? Whether Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, a dracholiche, or Maestro (as "boss mobs" rather than "dragons") were rotated on any server between March 16, 1999, and April 23, 2000?

Established so far:
Did rotations exist? - Check
Did rotations exist during "classic" (EQ, RoK, SoV)? - Check
Did rotations exist on more than one server during classic? - Check
Did rotations for dragons exist during classic? - Check
Did rotations for "bosses" exist during classic? - Check
Did rotations for expansion bosses exist contemporaneous with their particular expansion's release, before the release of the next expansion? - Check

[Alarti0001]

What is still disputed at this point? Whether Innoruuk, Cazic Thule, a dracholiche, or Maestro (as "boss mobs" rather than "dragons") were rotated on any server between March 16, 1999, and April 23, 2000?

Established so far:
Did rotations exist? - Check
Did rotations exist during "classic" (EQ, RoK, SoV)? - Check
Did rotations exist on more than one server during classic? - Check
Did rotations for dragons exist during classic? - Check
Did rotations for "bosses" exist during classic? - Check
Did rotations for expansion bosses exist contemporaneous with their particular expansion's release, before the release of the next expansion? - Check

That rotations existed on current content. No one is disputing rotations happened or that they happened on old content. Also, your statement checks are very loosely defined. Dragons that were rotated were all past content other than naggy/vox which were level limited at 52 and not highly desirable targets by top guilds.
Of all the links posted by all the claimants the only current content rotation I saw was on Dain....7 or so months into Velious.

The initial argument was with people who aren't currently participating in this thread and it was in regards to rotations during p99 presently. Which means Kunark rotations. My claim is that due to basic scarcity rotations on current content didn't really happen on live.
I haven't seen evidence showing otherwise. I have seen rotations for Hate/Fear/Sky trash, and 1 example of a Naggy/Vox (possible) rotation. Closest thing to current content posted was a "sev rotation" which started a week or so after velious(not current content). The scope of the argument keeps drifting, however that is the argument at large.

[YendorLootmonkey]

So when does the rotation on Inny/CT/Maestro/Draco (non current content) take effect?

[Alarti0001]

So when does the rotation on Inny/CT/Maestro/Draco (non current content) take effect?

CT/Inny/Draco get updated into current content :)

[YendorLootmonkey]

Not right now they're not. Still Classic content in Kunark era, therefore they are currently old content. Evidence shows at least old content was rotated on several Live servers.

So when can we all start rotating those mobs, Alarti? Or can we get back to admitting TMO is just inflicting "their" version of what is fun about raiding in Classic/Kunark on the rest of us, despite players here having come from servers where the content mentioned above was clearly rotated?

[Alarti0001]

Not right now they're not. Still Classic content in Kunark era, therefore they are currently old content. Evidence shows at least old content was rotated on several Live servers.

So when can we all start rotating those mobs, Alarti? Or can we get back to admitting TMO is just inflicting "their" version of what is fun about raiding in Classic/Kunark on the rest of us, despite players here having come from servers where the content mentioned above was clearly rotated?

What old content and when? Its about mob scarcity. I dont see CT/Inny rotation anywhere listed. I saw Vox/Naggy though(kinda).

[Fuddwin]

Poor poor Alarti (Variety)

[Csihar]

They're raided about as frequently as my asshole.

[Tiggles]

We already know that, Atari.

Alarti would not be caught dead pissing into a bottle.

TMO has requirements for that kind of stuff.

http://www.mountainside-medical.com/media/catalog/product/m/c/mcguire-style-male-external-catheter-system-with-leg-bag__85834.jpg

[Alarti0001]

We already know that, Atari.

Who are you, coward

[Tiggles]

Who are you, coward

He's been here and on TMO's nuts for years.

Does it really matter who he is?

Even if you know his name it won't matter, he is irrelevant.

[Alarti0001]

He's been here and on TMO's nuts for years.

Does it really matter who he is?

Even if you know his name it won't matter, he is irrelevant.

While true, I could then have a better understanding of which irrelevant person I am talking to.

[Hailto]

Bodeanicus i generally agree with your posts regarding political stuff, but getting this angry over pixels yourself is just as lame as someone getting joy out of denying them to someone else.

[kotton05]

he's having fun with it kaludar imo

[Hailto]

Do yall think Huel is still sitting in that room waiting to hear back from hank?

[Alarti0001]

You know you lost forumquest and are just a angry neckbeard when you break out the your mom shit. LAWLZ

Bodeanics, you know you are failing hard when I am agreeing with Rellapse.

[mtb tripper]

come to red server

[kotton05]

lol you guys saying we botched your CT engage, that's lulz

[quido]

we have pretty good proof of such, Merkk - let's see what the staff thinks

[kotton05]

We has better

[quido]

prove it

[kotton05]

We went in, you sniped FTE in desperation we all ran once you got FTE, camped and died. Yet you guys didn't engage spin how ever you want, come back and kill. Not to mention you low hp kited ct away from us second time and dumped Draco on us, running out of way to try to screw a CT engage ?

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremyglare.jpg

[radditsu]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremyglare.jpg

You're gettin old.

[Alarti0001]

We went in, you sniped FTE in desperation we all ran once you got FTE, camped and died. Yet you guys didn't engage spin how ever you want, come back and kill. Not to mention you low hp kited ct away from us second time and dumped Draco on us, running out of way to try to screw a CT engage ?

You were wrong about Gore, you were wrong about killing this PD, you were wrong about last VS.... I think I see a trend starting here.

[Fuddwin]

Poor poor Alarti (Variety)

[Yapas]

Poor poor Alarti (Variety)

Thanks for your (poor? pathetic? useless?) contribution..

[Yapas]

We went in, you sniped FTE in desperation we all ran once you got FTE, camped and died

Merkk You was really in fear when it happen ? If yes I know a good optician with cheap price !

[Fuddwin]

Poor Yapas (Variety)

[radditsu]

Cheat 2 win

[kotton05]

Poor Yapas (Variety)

glad you're showing some variety now

[radditsu]

Poor Yapas (Variety)

[Kagatob]

Yapas signature promotes animal abuse. Needs to be changed.

[Tiggles]

Yapas signature promotes animal abuse. Needs to be changed.

Kagatob's signature promotes pedophilia. Needs to be changed.

[Yapas]

glad you're showing some variety now

From Fudwin and his lack of sentence "variety", I can only laugh

[Kagatob]

Sakuya Izayoi.
Loli.
hahahahahaha

Go home Tiggles, you're drunk.

[radditsu]

Sakuya Izayoi.
Loli.
hahahahahaha

Go home Tiggles, you're drunk.

Nobody knows or cares what the shit you babble on about.

[Yapas]

Yapas signature promotes animal abuse. Needs to be changed.

This parrot looks pretty happy !!

[Kagatob]

Nobody knows or cares what the shit you babble on about.

Don't make a jab about things you know nothing about then?

[Kagatob]

This parrot looks pretty happy !!

You'd say it's not rape if the survivor orgasms too wouldn't you... :rolleyes:

[Yapas]

You'd say it's not rape if the survivor orgasms too wouldn't you... :rolleyes:

lol you are so nasty

[radditsu]

Don't make a jab about things you know nothing about then?



http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=23YggNJ7r5Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D23YggNJ7r5Q


Listen closely.

[Kagatob]

Rap is offensive. It's the only genre worse than country.

[radditsu]

Rap is offensive. It's the only genre worse than country.

Looks like someone doesn't "get it".

[radditsu]

Let's try again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuhl6Ji5zHM

[radditsu]

Or a little more on the nose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0xkvFprT-Q

[Kagatob]

*clicks on link*
*sees it's more crap*
*closes tab before any sound is played*

[radditsu]

At least I try to understand other races pop culture.

Why so bigoted?

[radditsu]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/84808/we-went-there-the-knicks-and-nets-circle-the-drain-at-the-toilet-bowl


I hate basketball, but I can find humor and understand the workings of it. I know what a pick and roll is.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3geejD5Dksk&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D3geejD5Dksk


Oh look its the first time I really :
"Got" classical music.


Quit being a child when you think people do not get/like your obsessive chunk of pop culture. Realize others can understand just as much as you do. Or cry in your pillow every night thinking "nobody UNDERSTANDS me"

Grow up pal

[Pheer]

bet kagatob listens to screamer shit while fantasizing in his head about how great itd fit in a naruto AMV

[radditsu]

bet kagatob listens to screamer shit while fantasizing in his head about how great itd fit in a naruto AMV


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DC0EW9nFM6E

[Kagatob]

At least I try to understand other races pop culture.

Why so bigoted?

It's not bigotry when it's not even 'their own' culture. It's not racist to detest an invention of 'the man'.
I love music history and I love good conspiracy theories. That's not to say I believe conspiracy theories -- I just find them entertaining. This explains why I've watched a lot of History Channel since is morphed into the Ancient Nazi Alien Network.

So when the music blogosphere (along with Facebook, Twitter, etc.) lit up this week with an anonymous letter entitled "The Secret Meeting that Changed Rap Music and Destroyed a Generation," I simply had to say, "Thank you, Internet." I can't resist a story that combines the socio-political elements of music with far-fetched stories of corruption and immorality.

The unsigned letter, originally posted on the blog Hip Hop is Read, is written by a self-proclaimed "decision maker" working for an equally anonymous major record label. He contends that in 1991 he was invited to a secret meeting of 25-30 industry insiders and a group of armed, shady figures. In brief, the insiders were told the record labels had invested in the recently-conceived private prison industry. In order to ensure profits for their new business venture, the recording executives were directed to promote gangster rap music -- a genre that was just beginning to emerge. By popularizing criminality, they would fill the private prisons and ensure their profitability.

To the writer, this explained the rise of gangster rap -- with its themes of guns, drugs, bling, etc. -- throughout the '90s and the resulting decline of socially conscious rap.

Regrettably for my sense of the delicious, this conspiracy story doesn't stand up to the test of common sense. It opts instead for a complex explanation of social and political phenomena when simple explanation will do.

First, let's imagine the record labels really planned this sordid plot. It would have taken only one or two label heads to tell their A&R people, "Hey, start signing more of these gangster rappers the kids like so much. It'll be good for sales." After all, if you want keep something a secret, isn't the best plan to let as few people as possible in on the secret? So why invite up to 30 people to a meeting and reveal the entire shady scenario, almost ensuring that the whole dodgy plan will be leaked?

Second, private prisons didn't need rap music to make money. The American justice system's enthusiasm for incarceration throughout the '80s and '90s was doing a more than satisfactory job already. The number of inmates per 100,000 people in the U.S. rose from 139 in 1980 to 313 in 1991. Today you can hardly pass a day south of the border without hearing "or else you're going to jail" appended to some warning or another. Private prisons hardly needed Ice T's help to fill bunks.

Conspiracies thrive on the unexplained, but there are plenty of obvious explanations for the record labels' interest in gangster rap.

The introduction in March 1991 of the Neilsen SoundScan as the primary tool for measuring album sales revealed that rap music had a much larger share of the market than originally thought. For example, N.W.A's album Efil4zaggin (*****z4life spelled backwards -- how clever), a landmark album in gangster rap, debuted at number two on the Billboard charts in May 1991. The early 90's also saw the duel between gangster rap labels Death Row Records and Bad Boy Records -- with artist rosters that included 2Pac, The Notorious B.I.G., and Snoop Dogg. The major labels had to get on the gangster bandwagon or lose out.

Most damning for the prison-filling conspiracy theory, the rising sales of gangster rap albums in this period were driven by the allowances of suburban white kids: not exactly the demographic that sinister plots steer into the prison system. The University of Iowa's Michael Hill explains that white suburban kids flocked to gangster rap out of a sense of rebellion, similar to the way they flocked to heavy metal in the '80s. While only the most delusional white suburban kid could pretend to relate to the poverty and discrimination described by socially conscious rappers like Public Enemy, even the Brady Bunch could pretend to understand the gangsta scene.

you think people do not get/like your obsessive chunk of pop culture.
Have you seen this thread? These dumb shits don't understand a thing and have made 0 progress understanding even though I've been spending the half of the thread i'm not trolling the shit out of you guys, actually explaining why 99% of the dipshit points are wrong.
Realize others can understand just as much as you do.
You link a few rap videos and you call that 'understanding'? You have a long, long way to go.

Lastly, anime music videos are so 2003, get with the times. ;)
It's like when Estocles tries to bash anime cons when he hasn't been to one since last century.