Will i pass my drug test? Will i get the job?

[susvain0362]

Tomorrow i have an interview for a new and better full time job. Im pretty sure ill get it as long as i come up clean which i think will happen. It may depend on if its an instant, quick drug test there or if the urine is sent to a lab. Pretty sure itll be sent to a lab. Thats why im nervous.

Last time ingot high was thursday at midnight with opiates/coke. My urine test will be tuesday around 11am. Thats 4 and a half days clean, i may fail but i have passed on 3days before just 72 hours.

[Itap]

Here you go faggot (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+long+do+opiates+stay+in+the+body)

[kotton05]

You're clean imo

[susvain0362]

Here you go faggot (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+long+do+opiates+stay+in+the+body)

Im sorry, what? Like i said ive passed on 72houra. But ive also failed on the 5th day before. Shit can vary. I know how long it stays in your system im just trying to provide some entertainment. Im not gonna take this poll as my answer. Wtf. You sound like a pussy. Gtfo

[Shannacore]

Here you go faggot (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+long+do+opiates+stay+in+the+body)

[susvain0362]

Two people who conbined i cant think of a decent thread between them. Gtfo

[r00t]

drink like 100oz of water a day

lots of coffee to get the cells movin

baking soda if youre extra paranoid and want to shit water

[Barkingturtle]

I think it's likely you'll pass, but what does it matter? You'll never keep your shit together. I would be easier for your parents if you were katrik or lron, for fuck's sake.

[r00t]

yea if youre gettin high on opiates/coke you're like a year from bein a cadaver if you keep up your shit

[susvain0362]

I think it's likely you'll pass, but what does it matter? You'll never keep your shit together. I would be easier for your parents if you were katrik or lron, for fuck's sake.

:( i can try!

It feels so much better the days i dont get high. Wayyyy more optimistic about everything. Im happier and it just feels better. I wanna keep it up. This jobs way better in every way it could be great for me

[Sidelle]

What kind of job is it?

[Barkingturtle]

School bus driver.

[kylok]

drugs that cause chemical dependence are bad mkay. Stick to stuff that doesn't make you sick for 2 weeks when you stop. Hope you pass and get the job and stay clean - that shit ain't worth what it costs on more than one level.

[susvain0362]

Oh being a drug addict ruins your life. Now that i know ill never do it again. Ty sir

[susvain0362]

What kind of job is it?

Rogean scouted me bere and wants me to work at his computer company as an engineer.

Jk, ima be a 5th grade teacher

[kylok]

=D seriously though, hope it goes well.

[fishingme]

Um, all of the times I've had to take a piss test it's always been a couple of days after the interview. You don't actually piss in a cup in front/near your future boss. You get an appointment for a lab and you go in. Just fyi since it sounds like you're new to the whole job thing

[susvain0362]

Tomorrow i piss in a cup and i assume it goes to a lab. Ive never beard of a company who tests themselves...dunno what youre saying but yiure just repeating me

[susvain0362]

Only other time ive pissed for work they send the bottle in. I did not go to the lab

[fishingme]

Only other time ive pissed for work they send the bottle in. I did not go to the lab

Yeah, I've always had to go to a lab. Employer has never sent it in for me.

[Langrisserx]

two days clean and you're hitting the manic part before you crash again into drugs... dont reach for the stars, you will be with them soon enough.

just dont steal anything, junkies and stealing is like so annoying.

[Skittlez]

Moderation has the potential to be your friend. Combining uppers and downers is fucking stupid. Thas how you end up with a game over. If you can't stop you need to learn to be a functioning user. I only say this because I remember a post from a while ago and it sounded sincere.




Pullin' on my heart strings, breh.

[Skywarp]

Stop being a paranoid pussy. Get someone to piss in a medicine bottle who is clean. Tuck that shit in your sock. It will stay the right temp for a strip test. I do this for my junky ass brother every month. It works like a charm so he can stay employed.

[Kagatob]

Stop being a paranoid pussy. Get someone to piss in a medicine bottle who is clean. Tuck that shit in your sock. It will stay the right temp for a strip test. I do this for my junky ass brother every month. It works like a charm so he can stay employed.

Yes, enabling chemically dependent slobs. That'll set 'em straight. :rolleyes:

[Deadmantis]

Everyone I know that's done smack / speedballs is now either dead or MIA (missing for like years) which means they're probably dead.

Get that job and stay clean. Don't want to add you to that fucking list.

[Yapas]

Smoke weed dude !

[Langrisserx]

aaaaaand... he's dead.

[Skittlez]

Smoke weed dude !

[p99soundsok]

Last time ingot high was thursday at midnight with opiates/coke. My urine test will be tuesday around 11am. Thats 4 and a half days clean, i may fail but i have passed on 3days before just 72 hours.

You should be fine by Tuesday. Opiates and coke are like 3-5 days. Always remember never EMPTY into a urine sample cup for a drug test. The little bits of sediment that finally drain out when you are emptying the last of your urine are the most concentrated and carry the greatest % of detectable traces of whatever is in your system.

You should also seek help. They can prescribe you something like Subutex to aid in the withdraws, it doesn't have to be hard. Opiates lead to nowhere but dark places. Best of luck on your recovery, you can't be a real man if you require crutches to get through your days!

[Langrisserx]

yea, thats it. piss clean and life hands you the keys to the kingdom.

what gutter u sleep in last night sus

[nilbog]

Don't do coke you don't buy. Don't buy coke. Should do the trick.

[orsk]

Tomorrow i have an interview for a new and better full time job. Im pretty sure ill get it as long as i come up clean which i think will (wont)happen. It may depend on if its an instant, quick drug test there or if the urine is sent to a lab. Pretty sure itll be sent to a lab. Thats why im nervous( because inside i know im a piece of shit and should just off myself)

Last time ingot high was thursday at midnight with opiates/coke(sucked dick for it). My urine test will be tuesday around 11am(will be drunk). Thats 4 and a half days clean(longest ammount of time for being clean), i may (will)fail but i have passed on 3days before just 72 hours(I am a repeat failure.)

[odiecat99]

Here you go faggot (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+long+do+opiates+stay+in+the+body)

rofl!

[odiecat99]

LOL @ all these dumb fucks who never had a drug problem judging people that do. like you know what the fuck you're talking about. shame on you morans.

[orsk]

LOL @ all these dumb fucks who never had a drug problem judging people that do. like you know what the fuck you're talking about. shame on you morans.

Yeah FUCK those people with common sense, its a shame so many people are forced to do drugs these days and then nobody supports them. #yolo

[odiecat99]

sigh.

[odiecat99]

Secret neckbeard society number one rule is no drugs, I fergot

[orsk]

Secret neckbeard society number one rule is no drugs, I fergot

Bring something better next time. 2/10

[odiecat99]

Keep it up ForumQuester, you're earning your stripes.

Have a nice day.

[odiecat99]

I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant dickhead, you win this battle tough guy.

[orsk]

I have better things to do than to argue with an arrogant dickhead, you win this battle tough guy.

Ty.

[odiecat99]

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just stop bro..

[Kagatob]

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just stop bro..

He said he doesn't care you chemically dependent slob sympathizer.

[MaksimMazor]

Where's the option of getting the job then losing it because you're buying even more drugs now?

[orsk]

Where's the option of getting the job then losing it because you're buying even more drugs now?

Rofl +1

Thanks kag for relaying the message

[Ahldagor]

did you know you had a piss test in the coming days when you did the drugs?

[Rogean]

Or you know, you could just not do drugs.

Drugs are bad mmkay?

[odiecat99]

Thanks for the info Kagatob, P99's resident pedophile.

Why don't you go beat off to some more Shuffle! episodes and shut the fuck up.

[Kagatob]

Thanks for the info Kagatob, P99's resident pedophile.

Why don't you go beat off to some more Shuffle! episodes and shut the fuck up.

Shuffle! isn't on my list of shows to watch?

[Estolcles]

Or you know, you could just not do drugs.

Drugs are bad mmkay?

If it weren't for drugs, p99 would lose 90% of it's player base.

It'd leave 5 regular players, and the rest being members of TMO (still too busy poopsocking to notice the lack of other players).

[Grahm]

Do all the drugs you want idiots.

Just dont do them everyday, every week or even every month.

[susvain0362]

Hired. Unless the test comes back with bad news! They sent me to a lab

[Cecily]

Yay! Congrats! GL with the test..

[Tehwoot]

Do more coke, walmart doesn't care.

[Autotune]

Hired. Unless the test comes back with bad news! They sent me to a lab

You should start doing a mass amount of coke to prepare for that bad news. Otherwise, it will overwhelm you and you'll probably OD.

Hmm, just wait to be surprised in my opinion.

[susvain0362]

Where's the option of getting the job then losing it because you're buying even more drugs now?

Lol!!! Youre right that should be an option.

And i feel i must state because if all the talk about coke. I am not a coke head. I dont buy coke. I just do it maybe couple times a week because this friend of mine buys it and shares.

[susvain0362]

Why are you getting high days before you knew you had to piss, you weak faggot bitch? You still hanging out with the same losers and not handing your money over to someone to dole out to you like I told you to do?

Qq. 6 days clean now and ive had 40+ dolla this whole time and not spent it. I have a separate drug test friday for my doctor and if i failed that again hes cutting me off subs and that cant happen. So if thats my main motivating factor to have this week clean or will i continue being clean past friday we will seee. Im actuLly gonna pay the bank the -500dolla in my account too. Direct deposit will eat my first check

[runlvlzero]

I don't think you can get a job in todays society without pissing clean. With urine, probably means a month off any kind of drugs cleaning your system of shit with lots of water, exercise, and a good diet.

Clever people probably get a prescription for the kind of drugs they want to take so they can have a medical reason for coming up positive.

[ripwind]

I am not a coke head. I dont buy coke. I just do it maybe couple times a week because this friend of mine buys it and shares.

Dude...

[fishingme]

I don't think you can get a job in todays society without pissing clean. With urine, probably means a month off any kind of drugs cleaning your system of shit with lots of water, exercise, and a good diet.

Clever people probably get a prescription for the kind of drugs they want to take so they can have a medical reason for coming up positive.

Regrettably doesn't work with weed. Jobs won't hire you even if you have MMJ card.

[Cypher.]

Question: How shitty does your life have to be to want to habitually use substances that will only end up fucking you up even more so in the end?

[runlvlzero]

As shitty as anyone else's. Susvain might just be more aware of how shitty it is.

Honestly though if given the choice. I would not do drugs to pacify my self.

Some people find drugs as entertaining as any of our other habits. Some people would even probably be able to more responsibly use drugs recreationaly if it weren't for our system of drug laws. And the big money in it.

But I feel like Susvain is the type of person who self medicates because they do not enjoy reality. Have not learned to enjoy life despite that self awareness of how shitty it is.

Drugs are great at keeping those people perpetually in control. Or fighting something. Rather than growing and understanding themselves.

[Nune]

"i have a drug test coming up for a new and better job, think ill do some oxys and coke less than a week before!"


fucking moran

[Orruar]

I don't think you can get a job in todays society without pissing clean. With urine, probably means a month off any kind of drugs cleaning your system of shit with lots of water, exercise, and a good diet.

Clever people probably get a prescription for the kind of drugs they want to take so they can have a medical reason for coming up positive.

You can't? I thought pretty much any job that pays over $20 an hour doesn't drug test.

[runlvlzero]

You can't? I thought pretty much any job that pays over $20 an hour doesn't drug test.

Ok, you got me there. Normally those jobs are either self employment, or highly skilled, and whats on your resume matters much more than whether your going to steal from teh company/stand infront of a forklift on dope.

Most of those positions aren't available to the druggy scrubs because they self select out of the ability to do those jobs.

Entry level jobs, large corporations all like to drugs screen though, and I bet they can right off the screening service under some kind of tax/benifit.

So Walmart, McDonalds, Lowes, Home Depot, Wendies, Radio Shack... they all I'm sure screen.

Linux System Administrator for Novell Corporate, or staffing agencies probably don't screen. But I've noticed those highly skilled tech jobs are all, contract, (self employed, meaning you right up a contract/project and do the work) or temp agency (meaning Novell sells product and you go set it up and configure it).

Some how I think the majority of us are in the former based on my experiences here.

So yes, there's plenty of opportunity. But you have to be skilled and in the industry currently working to seize on it. It's extremely fustrating for someone like me who is really overquallified for just about everything, but since the big corps own all the real estate/markets. There is no way for me to go into business for myself without some luck and a solid business plan, investors. No one invests in startup hardware stores or burger joints. Those are all self funded businesses.

[baalzy]

So Walmart, McDonalds, Lowes, Home Depot, Wendies, Radio Shack... they all I'm sure screen.



When I worked at McDs long ago I never had to drug test. I even overheard my managers talking about how they couldn't drug test cause they'd lose over half the crew.

[Deadmantis]

I work for a Fortune 500 chemical company where everyone makes well over 20 dollars an hour, most over 30$. Some are salaried, with upper positions making 6 figures. EVERYONE gets drug tested. From the plant manager to the janitor. Pre-employment, random testing, reasonable suspicion, and any type of accident or long term illness requires testing before returning to work.

Not long ago a supervisor was out for a couple months for achilles heel surgery and he refused to test when he came back, so they fired him.

Corporate has us thinking this is the norm in the industry. :confused:

[baalzy]

It might be norm for your industry, since I imagine you're subject to some amount of government oversight/regulation. I'm in private software now and they can pretty much make up whatever rules they want.

[Itap]

Enjoy bagging my groceries at Publix you faggot

[Sidelle]

...Ima be a 5th grade teacher
If you get the job what are you going to do when they randomly test you in the future? Probably will lose it and then you'll have to start all over again. Do they even randomly test teachers? I can't imagine they wouldn't.

I hope it works out for you. I'm sure you can't like living like this. Your life seems to revolve around some kind of drug testing schedule with your doctor; figuring out what days you can get high and when you can't - and never knowing if it will work out in your favor. With random testing it's only a matter of time til you get busted. It's a fucked up cycle, for sure. I sincerely wish you luck though.

[runlvlzero]

When I worked at McDs long ago I never had to drug test. I even overheard my managers talking about how they couldn't drug test cause they'd lose over half the crew.

I guess McD's is probably more on a per-franchise basis. Who knows? Around here they probably do... they got a line out the door for people willing to work for em.

[Orruar]

When I worked at McDs long ago I never had to drug test. I even overheard my managers talking about how they couldn't drug test cause they'd lose over half the crew.

That's true. I've never taken a piss test in all the years I did fast food, pizza delivery, etc. I'd not work a job that treats their employees like that. I'm of the mind that as long as it doesn't affect your job performance, your private life is just that.

[susvain0362]

If you get the job what are you going to do when they randomly test you in the future? Probably will lose it and then you'll have to start all over again. Do they even randomly test teachers? I can't imagine they wouldn't.

I hope it works out for you. I'm sure you can't like living like this. Your life seems to revolve around some kind of drug testing schedule with your doctor; figuring out what days you can get high and when you can't - and never knowing if it will work out in your favor. With random testing it's only a matter of time til you get busted. It's a fucked up cycle, for sure. I sincerely wish you luck though.

Im not a teacher lol i was kidding

[susvain0362]

"i have a drug test coming up for a new and better job, think ill do some oxys and coke less than a week before!"


fucking moran

Youre reaching. I didnt know i had a new job comming up i stopped once i learned. It happened pretty quick. And who does oxys? What is this 2009?

I guess i should expect people getting angry, but i posted this here for the fun. Hint - im not gonna be offended or upset if you make fun of me for something that i let you know about (dope)

[susvain0362]

As shitty as anyone else's. Susvain might just be more aware of how shitty it is.

Honestly though if given the choice. I would not do drugs to pacify my self.

Some people find drugs as entertaining as any of our other habits. Some people would even probably be able to more responsibly use drugs recreationaly if it weren't for our system of drug laws. And the big money in it.

But I feel like Susvain is the type of person who self medicates because they do not enjoy reality. Have not learned to enjoy life despite that self awareness of how shitty it is.

Drugs are great at keeping those people perpetually in control. Or fighting something. Rather than growing and understanding themselves.

I dont know exactly why i still do it. But the first time i took pain pills was so i could fuck for 3hours straight. My friend told me how it was making him last for hours with his girl, and after you give a girl solid dick for hours you dont wanna go back to doing it sober and not be able to give her the same satisfaction. Then my group of best friends 3-4 of us all got introduced to the needle by my friend i made at college who was a normal good kid at the time who just took percs but was curious about needle. So we all did it and id do it once a month or so the first year (2010) and then come 2011 ita become more important :p

[Sidelle]

Im not a teacher lol i was kidding
Haha! Shit...

[radditsu]

Be a security guard.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KgxhPzFvKQU

[NextGenesis88]

I dont know exactly why i still do it. But the first time i took pain pills was so i could fuck for 3hours straight. My friend told me how it was making him last for hours with his girl, and after you give a girl solid dick for hours you dont wanna go back to doing it sober and not be able to give her the same satisfaction. Then my group of best friends 3-4 of us all got introduced to the needle by my friend i made at college who was a normal good kid at the time who just took percs but was curious about needle. So we all did it and id do it once a month or so the first year (2010) and then come 2011 ita become more important :p

If you are on Subs then why do you need to do anything and get high? Be thankful that you have a doctor treating you and don't abuse it as you will be regretting it when you get kicked off. I can't stand it because it's so hard to see a doctor for help like that and there could be many people trying to see them that actually want help and wont be getting high during the week while seeing treatment. You need to not be hanging out with that person because they ARE NOT your true friend if they know you are in treatment and still giving you drugs.

It's a tough road and it sucks having to ditch some people, but one of the first steps you need to make is get rid of all bad influences and only keep true friends around that actually care about your progress and want to see you go places. And anyways it's such a pain in the ass to use drugs while on Subs as you need to go without for at the very least 24 hours or so in order to feel any effects of anything else and you have to be sick again in order to start taking the medication. Is all that worth it in itself for a half way high?

But anyways, I always get screwed over for trying to help people as it's useless until they first want to help themselves. I am pretty over going out of my way to do shit for people, but I will still offer advice. And yeah it is very frustrating because people don't understand what it's like struggling with addiction and drug dependence and you really have to have gone through it to really understand it. It's frustrating when people are like, "come on dude why don't you just stop, it's so stupid." etc etc

I hope the best and hope you come to terms with the things you need to do to stay clean. It's worth it man. You need to move out of this whole drug centered life. Be strong and grab life by the balls and make it your bitch. You got this.

Sorry for the long winded reply, but I wanted to show some support for a brotha.

[Gaffin 3.0]

You need to admit your self to a clinic and get clean man, they give you detox medicine which kills the withdrawal pain. You eat healthy and damn good in there, and everything they do makes you feel better about self overall. Do it for yourself and stop asking these nerds for advice. I know you can do it brah.

[Gaffin 3.0]

Shit is gonna lead you to your death man, foreal heroin is no joke. You dont need a job to support a current drug habit you need a job to save money and do things you need and want in life other than heroin.

[NextGenesis88]

You need to admit your self to a clinic and get clean man, they give you detox medicine which kills the withdrawal pain. You eat healthy and damn good in there, and everything they do makes you feel better about self overall. Do it for yourself and stop asking these nerds for advice. I know you can do it brah.

He is already in a clinic, he's just not 100% committed to staying clean and making it so he has enough time for it to not show up on the urine test for the doctor. Some places make you go once a week, twice a week or once a month. So sometimes it's easier to get away with. A methadone clinic usually makes you go once a day, but methadone is the worst way to go in my opinion.

[Langrisserx]

try hallucinogenics like Ibogaine... apparently LSD is useful for alcoholism...

shake that brain up and see what settles back down, ya know

[Lune]

shake that brain up and see what settles back down, ya know

this is a white trash biology gem

[Gaffin 3.0]

He is already in a clinic, he's just not 100% committed to staying clean and making it so he has enough time for it to not show up on the urine test for the doctor. Some places make you go once a week, twice a week or once a month. So sometimes it's easier to get away with. A methadone clinic usually makes you go once a day, but methadone is the worst way to go in my opinion.

Nah dude you cant do outpatient if your trying to get clean specially off heroin, you gotta commit to being inside and have no way contact of friends or anyone who influences you rellapsing while trying to get help.

[NextGenesis88]

Nah dude you cant do outpatient if your trying to get clean specially off heroin, you gotta commit to being inside and have no way contact of friends or anyone who influences you rellapsing while trying to get help.

Well everybody is different. I am seeing a doctor and also going to groups and I haven't relapsed in a few years and I have started going to school for getting my CDL. This has worked for me, but I really want to stay clean and do well. Of course I can't wait until I get off of the medication as well so I am not needing to take anything at all, but it's helped a lot and can allow you to take control of certain things in your life before you make the final step. If people quit too fast without dealing with important issues that need to be first addressed then they are likely to end right back up where they were.

I understand why people also say things like only take the medication for a couple weeks and then stop taking everything, but that's the same thing as I just said. This outpatient program helps a lot to sort everything out, but you really have to want it. They can't sit there and force you to quit and follow the program, that's gotta be on you. Either way you are going to have to go through withdrawals no matter what to be able to quit, so IMO it's best to take the option that allows you time to identify and change what needs to be changed, but it's easy with outpatient to do the minimum you have to do just to get by and stay on the program. You could fail after going in any of those directions though really. It's all relative and unique to the person which is why some things just don't work for everyone.

[NextGenesis88]

Sorry, I tend to type a lot and too much. I like a good discussion though.

[Gaffin 3.0]

Just saying, done both, outpatient is a bigger risk of rellapsing easy if friends are close that you know.

[Cecily]

Nah dude you cant do outpatient if your trying to get clean specially off heroin, you gotta commit to being inside and have no way contact of friends or anyone who influences you rellapsing while trying to get help.

So play Everquest?

[Auvdar]

Well everybody is different. I am seeing a doctor and also going to groups and I haven't relapsed in a few years and I have started going to school for getting my CDL. This has worked for me, but I really want to stay clean and do well. Of course I can't wait until I get off of the medication as well so I am not needing to take anything at all, but it's helped a lot and can allow you to take control of certain things in your life before you make the final step. If people quit too fast without dealing with important issues that need to be first addressed then they are likely to end right back up where they were.

I understand why people also say things like only take the medication for a couple weeks and then stop taking everything, but that's the same thing as I just said. This outpatient program helps a lot to sort everything out, but you really have to want it. They can't sit there and force you to quit and follow the program, that's gotta be on you. Either way you are going to have to go through withdrawals no matter what to be able to quit, so IMO it's best to take the option that allows you time to identify and change what needs to be changed, but it's easy with outpatient to do the minimum you have to do just to get by and stay on the program. You could fail after going in any of those directions though really. It's all relative and unique to the person which is why some things just don't work for everyone.

This. Im in treatment for alcohol. My roommate/best friend is developing a meth problem who is needing/going to get help. But you will never treat an addiction unless you 100% want it.

With certain addictions impatient can be very valuable. Like meth, since the withdrawals can be very bad for a month or so. So being stuck in a treatment center while that is going on until your head clears up enough to think a bit more clearly is a good thing. You can also force people into treatment and have it be effective. Most addicts don't completely see how bad their own life is until they do sober up for a bit. Of course you usually get forced by a Judge.

However you will never get someone clean unless they want it. "kinda" wanting it doesn't count. You have to commit yourself 100% to changing your life. Like we all like to say about being a addict. "The <insert drug> wasn't my problem, I had that figured out. Life was my problem."

If you're working on getting clean and sober, good luck to you. It's a hard road, but in the end it can make you a truly wonderful person. The people I know who have 'beaten' there addictions tend to be far better people than people I know who never had a problem in the first place.

[Sidelle]

Well everybody is different. I am seeing a doctor and also going to groups and I haven't relapsed in a few years and I have started going to school for getting my CDL. This has worked for me, but I really want to stay clean and do well. Of course I can't wait until I get off of the medication as well so I am not needing to take anything at all, but it's helped a lot and can allow you to take control of certain things in your life before you make the final step. If people quit too fast without dealing with important issues that need to be first addressed then they are likely to end right back up where they were.

I understand why people also say things like only take the medication for a couple weeks and then stop taking everything, but that's the same thing as I just said. This outpatient program helps a lot to sort everything out, but you really have to want it. They can't sit there and force you to quit and follow the program, that's gotta be on you. Either way you are going to have to go through withdrawals no matter what to be able to quit, so IMO it's best to take the option that allows you time to identify and change what needs to be changed, but it's easy with outpatient to do the minimum you have to do just to get by and stay on the program. You could fail after going in any of those directions though really. It's all relative and unique to the person which is why some things just don't work for everyone.
You still have to take meds years later? Shit.. It's great that you're doing so well. Good luck on the CDL.

[Sidelle]

It's brave that you guys are posting about your own personal experiences in order to help others, btw. I think that's pretty cool.

[Com_Truise]

chug some vinegar. 100%

[NextGenesis88]

This. Im in treatment for alcohol. My roommate/best friend is developing a meth problem who is needing/going to get help. But you will never treat an addiction unless you 100% want it.

With certain addictions impatient can be very valuable. Like meth, since the withdrawals can be very bad for a month or so. So being stuck in a treatment center while that is going on until your head clears up enough to think a bit more clearly is a good thing. You can also force people into treatment and have it be effective. Most addicts don't completely see how bad their own life is until they do sober up for a bit. Of course you usually get forced by a Judge.

However you will never get someone clean unless they want it. "kinda" wanting it doesn't count. You have to commit yourself 100% to changing your life. Like we all like to say about being a addict. "The <insert drug> wasn't my problem, I had that figured out. Life was my problem."

If you're working on getting clean and sober, good luck to you. It's a hard road, but in the end it can make you a truly wonderful person. The people I know who have 'beaten' there addictions tend to be far better people than people I know who never had a problem in the first place.

Yep, I do agree with this, but in the other post I don't think it's good to isolate yourself and do absolutely nothing although I have done that a lot. I found things like riding BMX that I used to love to do and got back into that which was great for exercise and stress relief. Stick with the good friends who don't need anything to have a good time and find something that's healthy and helps with stress. Working would be a good thing too to stay busy. EQ is a great thing as it's so community based and social, but I wouldn't just play all day every day as some people do. :P

I know it's probably getting more difficult because of the weather and that winter is coming. I would just find at least one good buddy that can chill with you and help keep you straight. The sickness alone should be enough to ward anyone that experiences it. ha. Shit is the worst.

[NextGenesis88]

If you want someone to talk to about shit feel free to message me. I like meeting new friends and I would like to have more people to play with in-game if you have any characters close to mine. Hit me up.

I have 16 SK, 16 Wiz and 15 Bard and most likely will be sticking with the SK as my main. The names are Kaathe, Wizeguy and Aenamas respectively. So yeah I haven't gotten too high up yet on here, but have spread my time between characters.

[freez]

everquest is 100% unplayable without some kind of substance.

eq on weed 200% better

eq on alcohol 300% better


the end

[Intricus]

Rogean scouted me bere and wants me to work at his computer company as an engineer.

Jk, ima be a 5th grade teacher

Not to judge or anythin, If anyone's to judge somebody else for drug use it sure shoulden't be me, but Wow, Really? Teacher?!?!? When you said you were gonna be workin with Rog I believed ya. Thought you were trying to get a job as an assembly line worker or shelf stocker. No way I could pull off what is a professional job (or what I believe should be) such as a teacher. And to be quite honest I don't think I would want my kids in your class if I had any. May be able to do the job well off for awhile, but with the mix you got goin it won't last forever.

[Intricus]

Not to judge or anythin, If anyone's to judge somebody else for drug use it sure shoulden't be me, but Wow, Really? Teacher?!?!? When you said you were gonna be workin with Rog I believed ya. Thought you were trying to get a job as an assembly line worker or shelf stocker. No way I could pull off what is a professional job (or what I believe should be) such as a teacher. And to be quite honest I don't think I would want my kids in your class if I had any. May be able to do the job well off for awhile, but with the mix you got goin it won't last forever.
And I forgot to say I can't figure out how you got thru all the schooling / got the degree to even be considered as a teacher, unless you bypassed all that stuff cause you 'knew' somebody. Congrats if you did it the right way.

[Heisenberg]

Blue Meth is one helluva drug :cool:

[Intricus]

Im not a teacher lol i was kidding
Nice, waited 8 pages in to drop that one...How do you earn the privilege of editing/deleting posts anyway?

[Intricus]

Nice, waited 8 pages in to drop that one...How do you earn the privilege of editing/deleting posts anyway?
...Very well played. But why I and many others im sure actually bought into you being a teacher is beacuse sadly there are is an disgusting amount of teachers and doctors out there who I'm sure do what your doing, or worse, and actually get away with it for their whole career or much longer than they should. Wow, so much to say about this subject...wish I could edit my posts into 1 instead of 4

[NextGenesis88]

And I forgot to say I can't figure out how you got thru all the schooling / got the degree to even be considered as a teacher, unless you bypassed all that stuff cause you 'knew' somebody. Congrats if you did it the right way.

lol how does that work? I'm curious.

[NextGenesis88]

You still have to take meds years later? Shit.. It's great that you're doing so well. Good luck on the CDL.

Yeah well I have to be off it to go finish the class for my CDL. If I didn't mention it I would be fine because they don't even test for it. But yeah, stupid me being honest. But yeah it's about time I get off of it. I am down to a small amount a day and only get 3 a week. Very frustrating situation, but if all goes as planned I will be all set. Definitely going to stay clean no matter what.

[Intricus]

lol how does that work? I'm curious.

How does what work? Getting a handout in life beacuse you know somebody who gets you there? Take a close look around, it happens all the time.

[Intricus]

How does what work? Getting a handout in life beacuse you know somebody who gets you there? Take a close look around, it happens all the time.

know somebody *in a position of power*

[doeda]

I hope you get killed by your best friend after killing his two girlfriends and your own brother in law.......just my two cents

[susvain0362]

Nice, waited 8 pages in to drop that one...How do you earn the privilege of editing/deleting posts anyway?

what are you talking about? i dont have that, though i should.

where do you live genesis? and i dont have a physical habit anymore not for a couple weeks now. i just had 8 days clean and now back to 3 days. the day i got high i had 55 hours off from the last sub i took and it still ate atleast half of my dope shot. very annoying lol. pissed me off so bad. so yeah im not physically withdrawing at this point, i basically take 4-8mg of sub a day for a few days then take a day or two with no subs no nothing because i dont want another habit.

[susvain0362]

everquest is 100% unplayable without some kind of substance.



the end

the problem is mixing ANY hobbies and any games/mmos with dope and then trying to enjoy them without dope. it really kills all the fun in any hobby. it blows.

[susvain0362]

genesis you on subs? or methadone?

[NextGenesis88]

what are you talking about? i dont have that, though i should.

where do you live genesis? and i dont have a physical habit anymore not for a couple weeks now. i just had 8 days clean and now back to 3 days. the day i got high i had 55 hours off from the last sub i took and it still ate atleast half of my dope shot. very annoying lol. pissed me off so bad. so yeah im not physically withdrawing at this point, i basically take 4-8mg of sub a day for a few days then take a day or two with no subs no nothing because i dont want another habit.

I am new NE and oh yeah man that's great than. If I was off subs then I would be very happy as you already got past the physical part of it. For me I couldn't just party once in a while as it was all or nothing. It's not worth trying to do anything once in a while and if you got that far then congrats.

[NextGenesis88]

genesis you on subs? or methadone?

Fraction of a Sub a day.

[NextGenesis88]

the problem is mixing ANY hobbies and any games/mmos with dope and then trying to enjoy them without dope. it really kills all the fun in any hobby. it blows.

Of course anything is better while high, but is it really worth it? Hell naw. It just takes time to have your serotonin levels go back up and level out. Everything will suck if you're serotonin levels are very low. Even after the subs your body will take time to go back to normal, but it will and things heal. Physically you may have recovered, but mentally may take a bit more time.

[NextGenesis88]

Your brain probably needs time to redevelop connections that have been lost and create new ones. Likely when any of us boots up EQ there's certain parts of our brain and connections that send signals that trigger positive feelings and serotonin that make us feel good. When you aren't taking opioids anymore your endorphins are nowhere near potent enough to stimulate our receptors and therefore everything will seem dull and we feel pain that we shouldn't feel. That's essentially why we get withdrawals, but over time our receptors heal and will recover enough to where our endorphins are strong enough to stimulate the receptors and these uncomfortable pains and aches will go away and we start to get more of those good feelings and positive reinforcement when we experience certain things.

[NextGenesis88]

Well, that's my best guess anyways. I'm no expert or scientist.

[Barkingturtle]

It's really unhealthy for you junkies to be fraternizing.

[Champion_Standing]

I'm no expert or scientist.

That's for god damn sure.

[Langrisserx]

It's really unhealthy for you junkies to be fraternizing.

wisdom.

so, got that job or what

[radditsu]

Goddamn bunch of losers talking about DT's in this thread. Quit wasting my oxygen.

[NextGenesis88]

That's for god damn sure.

Well, I learn about shit from Doctors that specialize in this. What good do you have to bring?

[susvain0362]

yurp i got the job. 40 hours a week now woooooooooooh. cleanest ive been in 3 years. Jan 1st literally marks 5 years of shooting dope, past 4 being almost daily. each year id be like damn it 2 years, damn i been doin this 3 years...4 years...and now its like...fuck dude 5 years. what the fuck is wrong with you.

but now ima have more money than ive had in along time so well see!

[radditsu]

Sigh

[NextGenesis88]

I don't know why I even asked that question.

[Barkingturtle]

but now ima have more money than ive had in along time so well see!

http://www.drugwar101.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/drug-addict-overdose.jpg

[NextGenesis88]

yurp i got the job. 40 hours a week now woooooooooooh. cleanest ive been in 3 years. Jan 1st literally marks 5 years of shooting dope, past 4 being almost daily. each year id be like damn it 2 years, damn i been doin this 3 years...4 years...and now its like...fuck dude 5 years. what the fuck is wrong with you.

but now ima have more money than ive had in along time so well see!

Awesome man. Things can only get better if you stick with it.

[susvain0362]

lol. id never OD unless i wanted to. seen it like 10+ times and its so annoying to deal with. every single time i saw it coming and pleaded the person not to do that much because of their tolerance/recent detox and clean time etc....any person that is in touch with reality most likely wont

[Auvdar]

Your brain probably needs time to redevelop connections that have been lost and create new ones. Likely when any of us boots up EQ there's certain parts of our brain and connections that send signals that trigger positive feelings and serotonin that make us feel good. When you aren't taking opioids anymore your endorphins are nowhere near potent enough to stimulate our receptors and therefore everything will seem dull and we feel pain that we shouldn't feel. That's essentially why we get withdrawals, but over time our receptors heal and will recover enough to where our endorphins are strong enough to stimulate the receptors and these uncomfortable pains and aches will go away and we start to get more of those good feelings and positive reinforcement when we experience certain things.

Kinda. The way I've learned it (self research and treatment shines light on this) is addiction has a lot to do with your hedonic set point.

Think of it as a base line in your brain. Without drugs, normal everyday things that are vital to survival gives you a normal shot of dopemine that will peak right above that line, giving you a "Hey, good job guy!" feeling. Eating, sex, sleeping, exercising etc etc will all release that.

Problem is when you add drugs. Drugs shoot dopemine way beyond what your brain would normally give you. So what ends up happening over time is your hedonic line raises to match up with the increased dopemine. This is big reason why people have major cravings when they quit. Normal shots of dopemine can't reach the new line, since it got set so high. So people feel depressed, anxious, angry etc etc since your brain has a very hard time giving you that "Hey, good job guy!' feeling. So in order to get there, your sub-conscience (the part of the brain you can't control much if at all) will tell you to take more drugs to reach that hedonic point. Your frontal cortex (read: everything that makes you, you) isn't quite evolved enough to have firm connections with the sub-consience brain, so it can get overrided very easily by your sub-brain. Making it very hard to say no sometimes.

This is why self help programs like AA are effective. Instead of reaching for the drug, you reach for a sober set of friends. You interact. And you do this, over and over because that is how your brain heals itself. Repeativness. Just like how you got hooked on a drug in the first place, by doing it over and over, the same thing applies to getting off it. Doing good sober life skills over and over. Just remember, it's not about going to a meeting and just sitting there. A meeting is just that, a meeting. It's where you meet people, like you.

Find some people who you can interact with. Go out to coffee with them. Or biking. Or whatever hobbies you like. If they have been sober awhile, they will help you stay sober. And that's the point, because if they help YOU stay sober that in turn helps them to stay sober.

Also, your hedonic set point over time does go back down to normal levels. Over time major cravings do go away for the most part. There is also a LOT more in the brain with addiction than what I posted, however that is a big one that a lot of people don't seem to realize.

Addiction is all just brain work. Once you learn how your brain is doing things as an addict, it makes it a lot easier to overcome the addiction. But like I said, the hedonic set point isn't the only reason, there are a ton of reasons. But that's a big one, especially when you are sobering up and dealing with cravings to realize. And realizing that with good sober repeatative actions it will help heal it.

That's why white knuckling things hardly ever works. Yes you can will-power things, but the vast majority of people who try will end up with a relapse. Overcoming addiction is much more about changing how you handle your life, then not using the drug. Once you make your life better and happier, you will have much less of a reason to pick up your drug of choice. You won't need it.

[Auvdar]

I will add that AA isn't for everyone, and people can overcome addiction without out.

I just know it works for me. I used to think "Well hell, I will learn about this stuff and not bother with a support group! I don't need it." But guess what, I would relapse almost weekly.

Once I finally just said "Hey, just give in and try it." and actually put the effort into it, well I haven't relapsed in a very, very long time. I go to a meeting maybe 2-3 times a month now. Usually to meetings where I know my friends I've meet through the program are. Otherwise we all just hang out and do activities together.

Sorry, won't preach on AA. Some like it, some don't. But, if you are struggling without it.. give it a try. Give it a honest try. And if it's not for you, then it's not. But it won't hurt anything to try.

[Auvdar]

lol. id never OD unless i wanted to. seen it like 10+ times and its so annoying to deal with. every single time i saw it coming and pleaded the person not to do that much because of their tolerance/recent detox and clean time etc....any person that is in touch with reality most likely wont

A lot of people who are heavy addicts aren't in touch with reality anymore ;)

[NextGenesis88]

Kinda. The way I've learned it (self research and treatment shines light on this) is addiction has a lot to do with your hedonic set point.

Think of it as a base line in your brain. Without drugs, normal everyday things that are vital to survival gives you a normal shot of dopemine that will peak right above that line, giving you a "Hey, good job guy!" feeling. Eating, sex, sleeping, exercising etc etc will all release that.

Problem is when you add drugs. Drugs shoot dopemine way beyond what your brain would normally give you. So what ends up happening over time is your hedonic line raises to match up with the increased dopemine. This is big reason why people have major cravings when they quit. Normal shots of dopemine can't reach the new line, since it got set so high. So people feel depressed, anxious, angry etc etc since your brain has a very hard time giving you that "Hey, good job guy!' feeling. So in order to get there, your sub-conscience (the part of the brain you can't control much if at all) will tell you to take more drugs to reach that hedonic point. Your frontal cortex (read: everything that makes you, you) isn't quite evolved enough to have firm connections with the sub-consience brain, so it can get overrided very easily by your sub-brain. Making it very hard to say no sometimes.

This is why self help programs like AA are effective. Instead of reaching for the drug, you reach for a sober set of friends. You interact. And you do this, over and over because that is how your brain heals itself. Repeativness. Just like how you got hooked on a drug in the first place, by doing it over and over, the same thing applies to getting off it. Doing good sober life skills over and over. Just remember, it's not about going to a meeting and just sitting there. A meeting is just that, a meeting. It's where you meet people, like you.

Find some people who you can interact with. Go out to coffee with them. Or biking. Or whatever hobbies you like. If they have been sober awhile, they will help you stay sober. And that's the point, because if they help YOU stay sober that in turn helps them to stay sober.

Also, your hedonic set point over time does go back down to normal levels. Over time major cravings do go away for the most part. There is also a LOT more in the brain with addiction than what I posted, however that is a big one that a lot of people don't seem to realize.

Addiction is all just brain work. Once you learn how your brain is doing things as an addict, it makes it a lot easier to overcome the addiction. But like I said, the hedonic set point isn't the only reason, there are a ton of reasons. But that's a big one, especially when you are sobering up and dealing with cravings to realize. And realizing that with good sober repeatative actions it will help heal it.

That's why white knuckling things hardly ever works. Yes you can will-power things, but the vast majority of people who try will end up with a relapse. Overcoming addiction is much more about changing how you handle your life, then not using the drug. Once you make your life better and happier, you will have much less of a reason to pick up your drug of choice. You won't need it.

Wow yeah, that all makes a ton of sense. Now that's the kind of post that belongs in this thread. Really appreciate your input! Much better then the other two goons above just trying to troll.

[susvain0362]

Wow yeah, that all makes a ton of sense. Now that's the kind of post that belongs in this thread. Really appreciate your input! Much better then the other two goons above just trying to troll.

moi?

[NextGenesis88]

Yeah I have been starting to go to groups and meetings lately and I always avoided it before. I really like meeting people and socializing so really I don't know why I thought I wouldn't like it. I already got someones number from another one that I switched out of that was a trucker and was really cool. I am going once a week and I want to find more that would be similar in structure of just hanging out and talking about anything. I was staying clean without them, but really it can only be a positive thing.

[susvain0362]

youre in new england?

[NextGenesis88]

moi?

I don't remember the names, but the ones who came in here insulting me because I said I wasn't a scientist (even though I was right) and some other guy calling people junkies. I don't care to go back to see who they were.

[Langrisserx]

you're not right. you're never right.

you havent been disproven. thats a big difference. subtle yet everything.

[mike90]

@ Auvdar: thanks for sharing all the useful info. Nice to see someone trying to help someone out instead of kicking them while they're down.


@ Susvain: congrats on getting the job man. Lot of good advice in here for you, but one thing I really want to backup is the point on watching who you have around you. Whether they mean to or not, when they're down really low many peoples instinct is to just pull everyone else down with them.

If you really want to stay clean you will need to surround yourself with people that want to help you do that. I know I don't know you but you can send me a pm any time if you need someone to talk to. Seriously wish you the best of luck. You can do it.

[Vadd]

I dont typically post in RnF.....

But the shit some of you faggots posted is fucking ridiculous.
Your ignorant, faggot posts are made even more sickening by the fact that you all play the nice guy, innocent, do-gooder role in game.
Eat shit. You know who you are.

IDK you Susvain. You might be a prick too. For some, drug addiction/abuse can be harder to conquer than for others. Seen it, lived it, etc. I really wish you the best. Listen to what mike90 just said.... You gotta drop them doped up, non accomplishing "pals..." Hell, you even gotta drop the real friends you've had since you were 7. Its hard.... but it gets easier.

[radditsu]

Please continue to be a drain on society and your loved ones.

[Gaffin 3.0]

I dont typically post in RnF.....

But the shit some of you faggots posted is fucking ridiculous.
Your ignorant, faggot posts are made even more sickening by the fact that you all play the nice guy, innocent, do-gooder role in game.
Eat shit. You know who you are.

IDK you Susvain. You might be a prick too. For some, drug addiction/abuse can be harder to conquer than for others. Seen it, lived it, etc. I really wish you the best. Listen to what mike90 just said.... You gotta drop them doped up, non accomplishing "pals..." Hell, you even gotta drop the real friends you've had since you were 7. Its hard.... but it gets easier.

x2 sus is cool guy though, just opens up sometimes too much on here with the truth and gets bombed for it

[Gaffin 3.0]

i know *****

[p99soundsok]

...some of you faggots posted is fucking ridiculous.
Your ignorant, faggot posts

sounds like someone has some deep-seated uneasiness/anger about his own sexual orientation.

[stonez138]

People act as if OP said he was injecting speedball. Perhaps he did a few lines and took a lortab to relax after. Both would give you coke and opiates in your system. If you think that anyone that ever does some blow is a hopeless addict don't really understand drugs or addiction.

[Intricus]

[QUOTE=susvain0362;1205800]what are you talking about?



https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzjqN0rk7nmj9g-AZfLeRy7Ke8aEivE8lKIGGg5f_UD83y9RVs

[Gaffin 3.0]

He'll fuck it up. With that much money on his hands, he might even OD.

I dont think you should even be posting in this thread, anyone who has had addiction can tell you havent. Its a disease dude, some way stronger than others, fucks you up mentally as you become so dependent you dont feel like you can do anything without it. Nothing seems fun, life is hella boring without it and you feel like shit for months.

[Gaffin 3.0]

GL to you bro, I still think impatient is best for addiction, the smallest things can make you rellapse easily as in there you have nothing to worry about but getting better and getting therapy, so when those times do come your ready to say nope I can do this because youve been clean and had a positive attitude for so long its much easier to deal with.

[Engraverwilliam]

If you don't get the job it's your own fault for doing the drugs you idiot.
Good luck.

[Versus]

Are you at the point where you are stealing from your loved ones yet?

[Orruar]

I dont think you should even be posting in this thread, anyone who has had addiction can tell you havent. Its a disease dude, some way stronger than others, fucks you up mentally as you become so dependent you dont feel like you can do anything without it. Nothing seems fun, life is hella boring without it and you feel like shit for months.

Calling addiction a disease is like calling stupidity a disease. But perhaps this is an area in which you hold some expertise.

[Gaffin 3.0]

Are you at the point where you are stealing from your loved ones yet?

Thats when it becomes a huge problem lol

[Gaffin 3.0]

Calling addiction a disease is like calling stupidity a disease. But perhaps this is an area in which you hold some expertise.

Doctors call it a disease you moran. Guess they are all stupid too. Mind blown.

[Orruar]

Doctors call it a disease you moran. Guess they are all stupid too. Mind blown.

You use the term "doctors" as if they are a single unit with a single opinion on this matter.

[Gaffin 3.0]

here just to dunk on you a little bit more.

dis·ease noun \di-ˈzēz\
: an illness that affects a person, animal, or plant : a condition that prevents the body or mind from working normally

same thing as addiction if its to that point

[Gaffin 3.0]

You use the term "doctors" as if they are a single unit with a single opinion on this matter.

What? Dont speak stupid have you ever been a addict srs question

[Barkingturtle]

Addiction is only called a disease so you feel better about paying a doctor to treat you.

In reality, there is no cure for being weak-willed.

[Orruar]

Addiction is only called a disease so you feel better about paying a doctor to treat you.

In reality, there is no cure for being weak-willed.

Exactly. With no other disease, do you have a simple cure of "stop doing the thing that is making you sick." You can't cure AIDS by stopping anal sex. You can't cure lung cancer by stopping smoking. Addiction is really just about never learning how to consciously control your subconscious desires.

[MaksimMazor]

Addiction is only called a disease so you feel better about paying a doctor to treat you.

In reality, there is no cure for being weak-willed.

Pras

[Vadd]

sounds like someone has some deep-seated uneasiness/anger about his own sexual orientation.

Lol. If that's what you got from my statement..... Then idk. You're fucking dumb.

[Bohab]

krokodil

[p99soundsok]

Lol. If that's what you got from my statement..... Then idk. You're fucking dumb.

Constantly calling people "faggot" over and over again either means:

1. You're 11-years-old

2. You have confusion about your own sexual orientation and feel threatened and angry by it.


Go see a therapist or grow up asap!

[p99soundsok]

What's your point, cocksucker?

oh sorry, I didn't mean to disturb the extremely mad, bad, and sad troll. By all means, step back into the shadows of your self-hatred!

[Gaffin 3.0]

oh sorry, I didn't mean to disturb the extremely mad, bad, and sad troll. By all means, step back into the shadows of your self-hatred!

Yeah I agree, most annoying troll on forums.

[Auvdar]

Addiction is only called a disease so you feel better about paying a doctor to treat you.

In reality, there is no cure for being weak-willed.

If you knew anything about how addiction works in your brain, you would never associate addiction with being weak-willed.

You can call it a disease or not, that's up to you. I have my reserves to calling it a out right disease too. But saying that someone just needs to "man up and stop doing it, all it takes is will power" is about the most moronic thing you can say.

Before you even try to come back with some troll response, go look up how the brain works during addiction. Go learn how coping skills involve addiction. Go learn how your sub-conscience works with your frontal cortex. Go learn hedonic set points, receptors, how things like dopemine and leptin etc can all influence what you do without you even being able to control it. Go learn why group therapy works. And I mean the underlying issue.

I could care less if people consider it a disease or not. But to think addicts are just weak-willed people is completely false. No doctor, scientist, therapist (read: people who are much more educated in this) will ever say it's just a matter of willpower. That's just a social dogma that people use to justify being clueless about how addiction works.

[Orruar]

...Go learn why group therapy works. And I mean the underlying issue.

Does it? All the numbers I've ever seen have shown that things like AA and NA are no more effective than 0 treatment (5-10% success rate).

[Langrisserx]

Exactly. With no other disease, do you have a simple cure of "stop doing the thing that is making you sick." You can't cure AIDS by stopping anal sex. You can't cure lung cancer by stopping smoking. Addiction is really just about never learning how to consciously control your subconscious desires.

thats the most bullshit naive idealistic nonsense ive ever read.

you can DIE from alcohol withdrawal. People can't will the pain away thats why they kill it with drugs.

best case scenario usually involves another medication, and or luck.

[Auvdar]

Does it? All the numbers I've ever seen have shown that things like AA and NA are no more effective than 0 treatment (5-10% success rate).

It's greater than that if used completely.

The biggest problem with AA/NA is the anonymous factor. It's incredibly hard to get a accurate success rate.

You also have to take into account that most of the time success rate means "They stopped for good", when in reality most people do relapse a few times before they finally get completely clean.

The biggest selling point about AA/NA and other group therapy is that it helps treat a underlying issue with your addiction. Being able to learn how to live a healthy lifestyle (which is the base of what AA teaches you) gives you a big leg up over not when it comes to getting clean.

It's easier to stay clean if everything else in your life is going well. It's hard to stay clean when your life is a wreck. You learn how to live life on lifes terms, and be positive and happy then drugs become much less of a need.

But any statistic you read about AA/NA and whatnot are either misleading or wrong. The truth is you really can't measure how successful it actually is.

But it doesn't take a genius to gather that having a good healthy support structure will increase your chances of recovery vs. nothing at all. Sure some people can get clean on their own, in fact many people do. I know a few people who have quit Meth could turkey and are doing just fine without it years later. If that's you, more power to you. If you can't, then it doesn't hurt anything to try AA/NA.

[Auvdar]

thats the most bullshit naive idealistic nonsense ive ever read.

you can DIE from alcohol withdrawal. People can't will the pain away thats why they kill it with drugs.

best case scenario usually involves another medication, and or luck.

There is some truth behind what he said. Not being able to tell your sub-conscience 'no' is a very big part about addiction.

However the chemical involvment between frontal cortex and hypothalamus (I think at least. It's late and I'm not thinking clearly. The part of the brain that controlls basic behaviour. Correct my brain termology if I am wrong with the naming) is very complex that it becomes almost impossible for some people to actually be able to tell it 'no'.

Repeatative actions, neuro-genesis, can fix this. But it does take time.

[Barkingturtle]

If you knew anything about how addiction works in your brain, you would never associate addiction with being weak-willed.

You can call it a disease or not, that's up to you. I have my reserves to calling it a out right disease too. But saying that someone just needs to "man up and stop doing it, all it takes is will power" is about the most moronic thing you can say.
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I could care less if people consider it a disease or not. But to think addicts are just weak-willed people is completely false. No doctor, scientist, therapist (read: people who are much more educated in this) will ever say it's just a matter of willpower. That's just a social dogma that people use to justify being clueless about how addiction works.

Bitch please. I know addiction firsthand. I am educated both in the streets and the classroom. I've studied the chemistry of the brain. I smoked meth in the 90's. The 90's! I spent a decade as an every-day fall-down drunk. I've done hundreds of hours of court-mandated therapy, I've done AA, in-patient commitments, jail, etc etc. Am I credible yet?

I finally quit because I decided to, alone. I honestly don't see any other way. All your therapy is simply trying to push you toward that choice. No one else is going to quit for you.

Addiction is less a disease and more an allergy. Some folks have an adverse reaction to certain substances. You don't try an cure an allergy. You just demand of yourself, "I'm not going to shoot-up today because it will kill everything I love."

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No one else is going to quit for you.

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[Orruar]

It's greater than that if used completely.

The biggest problem with AA/NA is the anonymous factor. It's incredibly hard to get a accurate success rate.

You also have to take into account that most of the time success rate means "They stopped for good", when in reality most people do relapse a few times before they finally get completely clean.

The biggest selling point about AA/NA and other group therapy is that it helps treat a underlying issue with your addiction. Being able to learn how to live a healthy lifestyle (which is the base of what AA teaches you) gives you a big leg up over not when it comes to getting clean.

It's easier to stay clean if everything else in your life is going well. It's hard to stay clean when your life is a wreck. You learn how to live life on lifes terms, and be positive and happy then drugs become much less of a need.

But any statistic you read about AA/NA and whatnot are either misleading or wrong. The truth is you really can't measure how successful it actually is.

But it doesn't take a genius to gather that having a good healthy support structure will increase your chances of recovery vs. nothing at all. Sure some people can get clean on their own, in fact many people do. I know a few people who have quit Meth could turkey and are doing just fine without it years later. If that's you, more power to you. If you can't, then it doesn't hurt anything to try AA/NA.

Let's say AA/NA had 100% success rate. Does that prove addiction is a disease? Defensive driving courses help people get better at driving. Does that mean bad driving is a disease?

[Barkingturtle]

Does that mean bad driving is a disease?

Depends.

Is it an illness to be a woman or, God forbid -- an Asian?

[Orruar]

you can DIE from alcohol withdrawal. People can't will the pain away thats why they kill it with drugs.

best case scenario usually involves another medication, and or luck.

What does that have to do with anything? When I quit smoking, I tapered off so as to lessen the physical effects. But that doesn't mean it was a disease. Again, you don't cure cirrhosis of the liver by slowly reducing your alcohol intake.

[radditsu]

Bitch please. I know addiction firsthand. I am educated both in the streets and the classroom. I've studied the chemistry of the brain. I smoked meth in the 90's. The 90's! I spent a decade as an every-day fall-down drunk. I've done hundreds of hours of court-mandated therapy, I've done AA, in-patient commitments, jail, etc etc. Am I credible yet?

I finally quit because I decided to, alone. I honestly don't see any other way. All your therapy is simply trying to push you toward that choice. No one else is going to quit for you.

Addiction is less a disease and more an allergy. Some folks have an adverse reaction to certain substances. You don't try an cure an allergy. You just demand of yourself, "I'm not going to shoot-up today because it will kill everything I love."

I miss the 90s

[Clark]

Again, you don't cure cirrhosis of the liver by slowly reducing your alcohol intake.