So how are ya'll liking Obamacare these days?

[Sidelle]

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/11/19/obamacare-success-story-obamacare-failure-story-just-3-days/

[Archalen]

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/11/19/obamacare-success-story-obamacare-failure-story-just-3-days/

Confirmed racist

[katrik]

Didn't vote for him.. at least the mormon promised jobs.

[Sidelle]

Oh. Great answer. Btw, I am biracial.

[Hailto]

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/11/19/obamacare-success-story-obamacare-failure-story-just-3-days/

Female, plays classic eq, seemingly not a blind libtard. Wanna date?

[Barkingturtle]

Oh. Great answer. Btw, I am biracial.

"Doughy" and "pale" aren't really races.

Anyway, I just don't get it. As a fat white girl, you eliminate at least 80% of your potential mates by being such a putrid bigot.

[Langrisserx]

^ currently has massive cold sore

[Sidelle]

Confirmed racist
P.S. seriously doubt you have a big dick.

[katrik]

P.S. seriously doubt you have a big dick.

I have a big dick.

[Sidelle]

"Doughy" and "pale" aren't really races.

Anyway, I just don't get it. As a fat white girl, you eliminate at least 80% of your potential mates by being such a putrid bigot.
You know absolutely shit about me. But please continue talking about how disgusting you are. It's interesting, and sad, how much you actually have to pay for blowjobs, I'm sure.

[Rogean]

My dick is colossal.

[Archalen]

P.S. seriously doubt you have a big dick.

Why?

[Sidelle]

"Doughy" and "pale" aren't really races.

Anyway, I just don't get it. As a fat white girl, you eliminate at least 80% of your potential mates by being such a putrid bigot.
Not even sure how that was bigoted btw.. pls explain.

[Itap]

Sidelle, I don't think you're ready to start threads in RnF

[Hailto]

If you don't like every policy obama has enacted you're a racist. The BBC told me so.

[Archalen]

If you don't like every policy obama has enacted you're a racist. The BBC told me so.

I just don't understand why else you wouldn't 100% approve of everything the president does unless you are a closet racist.

[Hailto]

I just don't understand why else you wouldn't 100% approve of everything the president does unless you are a closet racist.

Yeah, i disliked the patriot act when Bush enacted too, and im white. I'm a very conflicted racist.

[Littlegyno 10.0]

Oh. Great answer. Btw, I am biracial.

yea bro, u got 1/64th Cherokee indian in u. ur biracial LOOOOL.

u dumb bitch

[katrik]

My dick is colossal.

size war!

[Lune]

whaaaaaa healthcare reform is wrong

because socialism

our healthcare system is amazing

amuricuh fuck yea USA USA USA

[Recycled Children]

whaaaaaa healthcare reform is wrong

because socialism

our healthcare system is amazing

amuricuh fuck yea USA USA USA

Nope.

Socialism is wrong.

No.

You're weird.

[r00t]

Our health care system so good that the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis in 1998 when he was top ten for the FBI

[Hailto]

What is your sig from recycled?

[r00t]

Also I think everyone from the most die hard obama fanatics to the saner among us agree that obamacare is a colossal failure

[Orruar]

Also I think everyone from the most die hard obama fanatics to the saner among us agree that obamacare is a colossal failure

Why do you think you speak for everyone?

"Almost six in ten Democrats continue to support the law, but their support has dropped 16 points from last month - from 74 percent in October to 58 percent today."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613067/poll-obamacare-support-obama-approval-sink-to-new-lows/

[Recycled Children]

What is your sig from recycled?

The Colonel's Bequest.

[r00t]

Why do you think you speak for everyone?

"Almost six in ten Democrats continue to support the law, but their support has dropped 16 points from last month - from 74 percent in October to 58 percent today."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57613067/poll-obamacare-support-obama-approval-sink-to-new-lows/

You are pretty much proving my point for me.

[mishurza]

I love that they call it Obama-care. Lets deflect attention away from the fact that this was the Republican option, championed and tested in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney.

The biggest problem with the law is it does nothing to control costs. We still pay more for worse outcomes than most of the developed world.

[Splorf22]

I love that they call it Obama-care. Lets deflect attention away from the fact that this was the Republican option, championed and tested in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney.

I loathe both political parties but don't you think this is a bit silly? I mean Obama himself calls it Obamacare. It is a terrible law that is currently fucking over the very people it was supposed to help. Here's a random email from Zerohedge:

[quote=Random California BusinessmanMy company, based in California, employs 600. We used to insure about 250 of our employees. The rest opted out. The company paid 50% of their premiums for about $750,000/yr.

Under obamacare, none can opt out without penalty, and the rates are double or triple, depending upon the plan. Our 750k for 250 employees is going to $2 million per year for 600 employees.

By mandate, we have to pay 91.5% of the premium or more up from the 50% we used to pay.

Our employees share of the premium goes from $7/week for the cheapest plan to $30/week. 95% of my employees were on that plan. Remember, we used to pay 50% now we pay 91.5% and the premiums still go up that much!!

The cheapest plan now has a deductible of $6350! Before it was $150. Employees making $9 to $10/hr, have to pay $30/wk and have a $6350 deductible!!! What!!!!

They can't afford that to be sure. Obamacare will kill their propensity to seek medical care. More money for less care? How does that help them?

Here is the craziest part. Employees who qualify for mediCAL (the California version of Medicare), which is most of my employees, will automatically be enrolled in the Federal SNAP program. They cannot opt out. They cannot decline. They will be automatically enrolled in the Federal food stamp program based upon their level of Obamacare qualification. Remember, these people work full time, living in a small town in California. They are not seeking assistance. It all seems like a joke. How can this be the new system?

Pelosi, pass the bill to find out what's in it? Surprise! You've annihilated the working class.[/quote]

You are right about the costs thing though. What's funny is that if healthcare was taxed like income none of this would be a problem. People would buy actual health insurance (i.e. catastrophic) and pay for other expenses out of pocket. If hospitals actually had to compete on price they would suddenly become much more efficient.

P.S. I just know that when Barkingturtle was writing his post he was thinking 'Man, Archalen was posting such an obvious troll and yet Sidelle bit anyway, I wonder how far I can take this . . . nah, this can't possibly work . . . but maybe . . ."

[Splorf22]

god damn ] misses

[Lune]

Nope.

Socialism is wrong.

No.

You're weird.

Socialized Healthcare Systems elsewhere in the developed world: Demonstrably superior

American and North Korean healthcare systems: Excellent, if you ask the more conservative constituents in each country.

[Kagatob]

Sidelle, I don't think you're ready to start threads in RnF

[Skywarp]

Rog cheated and bought a penis pump with p99 donations. Sid, you have a chin like the back end of a tractor trailer.

[Sidelle]

So? Fuck off, I like my chin.

[Nune]

"Doughy" and "pale" aren't really races.

Anyway, I just don't get it. As a fat white girl, you eliminate at least 80% of your potential mates by being such a putrid bigot.

HAHAHAH

[Skittlez]

So? Fuck off, I like my chin.

I think most of p99 enjoys all of your face Sidelle. You grace the nerds with your lavish beauty.

[myriverse]

It's the same fucked up crap it was 6 months ago. Only now it's got a fucked up website.

[runlvlzero]

I think most of p99 enjoys all of your face Sidelle. You grace the nerds with your lavish beauty.

nah nah, katrik, secrets, better :p

[Recycled Children]

Socialized Healthcare Systems elsewhere in the developed world: Demonstrably superior

American and North Korean healthcare systems: Excellent, if you ask the more conservative constituents in each country.

No. Unless long lines and poor quality means demonstrably superior to you.

Maybe? I don't care to ask them.

You're assuming I think the American healthcare system is ideal, it's not. It does need reform, massive reform but not from government. Government needs to deregulate healthcare to make it much more affordable. Socializing healthcare is a bad idea. Do you really want government dictating how you receive healthcare?

[Raavak]

Obamacare is great! I didn't lose my plan, I still have my doctor! I just pay twice as much and get almost nothing in return anymore when I used to have the Cadillac of Cadillac plans. Yay me. Obama is the messiah. Can we crucify him yet?

[myriverse]

No. Unless long lines and poor quality means demonstrably superior to you.
America's system is worse quality.

You're assuming I think the American healthcare system is ideal, it's not. It does need reform, massive reform but not from government. Government needs to deregulate healthcare to make it much more affordable. Socializing healthcare is a bad idea. Do you really want government dictating how you receive healthcare?
We've been trying to get reform for decades. No one is truly interested but the government. And yes, I'd rather the government than the anti-freedom corporate state.

[myriverse]

There is a reason why the world is increasingly becoming divided into The Socialize Medicine countries and the dirt poor countries. Privatized medicine is an utter failure of a system.

[Tanthallas]

Socializing healthcare is a bad idea. Do you really want government dictating how you receive healthcare?

Lets go back to the phenomenal healthcare system that Great Britain enjoyed in the nineteenth century.

While we are at it, lets get government out of labor laws as well - those 7 year old kids in Great Britain that worked 20 hours a day and slept in corners of their factories for months on end had alot of character that is definitely lacking in their age group today.

[Barkingturtle]

The American healthcare system actually is ideal if you're an insurance executive or a pharmaceutical company.

And yes, I'd rather have government by the People and for the People in charge. It beats having our health dictated by the Greedy and for the Dollar.

The ACA's failing is that it is too great a compromise. It is a far fucking cry from socialized medicine, which implicates a single-payer system. That is what we should be moving toward if we are serious about reducing costs -- a system where the government is empowered to negotiate on behalf of the people, rather than a system where insurance companies collude with providers to fleece us.

[Skywarp]

If Sid Vicious was able to get on that affordable healthcare she could get that chin fixed. Could classify it as a disability.

[Itap]

Do you really want insurance companies, the real "death panels," deciding on whether you live or die? You know, the people who are in it for profit? Are you really that fucking stupid? Must be. 'Murica.

I nominate you for the maddest person on these forums. I can see your mouth foaming furiously with every post you make.

[Splorf22]

And yes, I'd rather have government by the People and for the People in charge.

This will never happen. Government bureaucrats are always out for themselves. For, example . . . the Obamacare website (the one that doesn't work at all) was done by one of Michelle's friends from Princeton. It was a no-bid contract. Her friend lives in Canada. Is this what you want more of?

There is a reason why the world is increasingly becoming divided into The Socialize Medicine countries and the dirt poor countries. Privatized medicine is an utter failure of a system.

The American healthcare system may not be a socialized one, but it's certainly not a free market one either. Aside from Medicare and Medicaid, because health plans are not taxed as income, everyone relies on them rather than directly purchasing services from their doctor (true insurance would only cover very large costs like heart surgery or whatnot). The health plans are highly regulated and have successfully lobbied Washington for all sorts of perks. In other words, we have crony capitalism.

Also, in my opinion healthcare outcomes = lifestyle + medical care. And Americans have simply the most unhealthy lifestyle in the world. You can't eat twinkies your entire life and expect the doctors to save you.

Anyway I do not like the American healthcare system at all. I think it's run by drug companies who are only interested in a steady stream of income, not actually curing people. Maybe you heard about the Tampa Bay kicker who had MRSA? Well the drug companies have basically stopped developing antibiotics, because it doesn't pay to actually fix people. It turns out all those mammograms and early breast cancer surgery we push on women actually hurt. The FDA is a pile of shit.

But what makes me want to fucking stab a pencil in my eye is the government going in to a field, whether its banking or medicine or whatever, fucking it up, and then using its new problems to justify more government intervention.

[Tanthallas]

But what makes me want to fucking stab a pencil in my eye is the government going in to a field, whether its banking or medicine or whatever, fucking it up, and then using its new problems to justify more government intervention.

I think we all agree that the people who have the least freedom at the moment are the bankers. Right guys?

[Daldolma]

if there's one thing we've learned from history it's that government is a benevolent and effective overseer that consistently shields the poor and helpless from inequities of the social power structure*


*no

[Orruar]

There is a reason why the world is increasingly becoming divided into The Socialize Medicine countries and the dirt poor countries. Privatized medicine is an utter failure of a system.

So you think what we had up until Obamacare was a free market in health care? How cute.

[Gaffin 3.0]

racist

[Splorf22]

I think we all agree that the people who have the least freedom at the moment are the bankers. Right guys?

Did you not read my post? I said the government comes in to fuck things up, but thats from my perspective as a consumer. The industries in question love the government coming in and setting things up so they can't lose (banking, now healthcare, etc).

[Lojik]

So you think what we had up until Obamacare was a free market in health care? How cute.

[Tanthallas]

Did you not read my post? I said the government comes in to fuck things up, but thats from my perspective as a consumer. The industries in question love the government coming in and setting things up so they can't lose (banking, now healthcare, etc).

Your post was a gaggle fuck of contradictions.

[Orruar]

Your post was a gaggle fuck of contradictions.

And you apparently have the inability to understand that government power in a given industry will just be used by the people in that industry to enrich themselves. The only contradictions you think you see are simply a result of the incorrect assumptions you make.

Top 3 most regulated industries:
Finance
Health care
Education

Top 3 most fucked up industries:
Health care
Finance
Education

[Splorf22]

Your post was a gaggle fuck of contradictions.

I'm starting to remember why I unsubscribed from RNF. I weep for the fate of our country when the twitter generation comes of age. "Candidate Sloan, your opinion of our healthcare system in 140 characters or less please". "My opponent is a tool". *cheers from rabid supporters* "What a thrilling denunciation! And now, your response Mr President?" "Sloan is a moran" *cheers from rabid supporters*

P.S. Prove it.

[Lojik]

P.S. Prove it.

Your post was a gaggle fuck of contradictions.

The American healthcare system may not be a socialized one, but it's certainly not a free market one either.

Does I win the game?!

[Tanthallas]

I'm starting to remember why I unsubscribed from RNF. I weep for the fate of our country when the twitter generation comes of age. "Candidate Sloan, your opinion of our healthcare system in 140 characters or less please". "My opponent is a tool". *cheers from rabid supporters* "What a thrilling denunciation! And now, your response Mr President?" "Sloan is a moran" *cheers from rabid supporters*

P.S. Prove it.

I mean, when you write walls of text that amount to saying nothing than government shouldn't get involved in things because corporations will pay them off you cant really expect anyone to take you seriously.

I could walk into a 3rd grade classroom and get this type of analysis of the problems of governance in capitalist economies.

[Splorf22]

I mean, when you write walls of text that amount to saying nothing than government shouldn't get involved in things because corporations will pay them off you cant really expect anyone to take you seriously.

I could walk into a 3rd grade classroom and get this type of analysis of the problems of governance in capitalist economies.

And yet you failed to understand this "3rd grade post", calling it contradictory. Evidentially your reading comprehension is still 2nd grade. Come back next year.

I think you're spending too much time arguing with Alarti. Why don't you try saying something of substance rather than trying (and failing) to score style points with snappy one liners?

[Sirken]

My dick is colossal.

pics or GTFO

[Tanthallas]

And yet you failed to understand this "3rd grade post", calling it contradictory. Evidentially your reading comprehension is still 2nd grade. Come back next year.

I think you're spending too much time arguing with Alarti. Why don't you try saying something of substance rather than trying (and failing) to score style points with snappy one liners?

Oh I understood it quite well. Writing some superficial dribble about how x is bad because of y, but that y is bad because of x doesnt constitute an argument. In the end, you leave us at the same point that we started.

And I dont really argue with Alarti - we both know that isnt possible.

[Alarti0001]

And yet you failed to understand this "3rd grade post", calling it contradictory. Evidentially your reading comprehension is still 2nd grade. Come back next year.

I think you're spending too much time arguing with Alarti. Why don't you try saying something of substance rather than trying (and failing) to score style points with snappy one liners?

Dissing me doesn't make your posts any more correct, accurate or logical. You should try to instill substance into your posts before asking others to provide some.

Your posts in this thread are coming off as some deranged fear-monger who has extreme difficulty separating his opinion from fact.

I am not surprised really as this is your posting style in.... any.... thread.

[Tanthallas]

Me and Alarti actually agree on everything that has nothing to do with this game, strangely.

[Alarti0001]

Me and Alarti actually agree on everything that has nothing to do with this game, strangely.

If you were in TMO we would probably just agree on everything.

[orsk]

You know absolutely shit about me. But please continue talking about how disgusting you are. It's interesting, and sad, how much you actually have to pay for blowjobs, I'm sure.

roflstomped

[Splorf22]

Oh I understood it quite well. Writing some superficial dribble about how x is bad because of y, but that y is bad because of x doesnt constitute an argument. In the end, you leave us at the same point that we started.

And yet your every post in this thread has demonstrated the contrary. Your text looks like a computer cobbled together random phrases off of the internet: individually the sentences make sense, but they have no connection to reality. Congratulations, you failed the Turing test.

And I dont really argue with Alarti - we both know that isnt possible.

Quite true, and this is precisely what I meant in my previous comment: you are becoming his mirror image. I think I am going to abandon this particular . . debate? flamewar? Poop throwing? I suppose in a few more months I'll venture back into the cesspool of RNF.

Let me just leave you with one actual, real, point to raise the level of this discussion very slightly. It's quite easy to prove that governments will always favor businesses and special interest groups over 'the people'. Aside from the wealth of empirical evidence, you can make a simple logical argument starting from asymmetry of information and benefits.

[Autotune]

Oh. Great answer. Btw, I am biracial.

Someone who is biracial can't be racist?


If that isn't what you mean, then I'm not sure what you were getting at.


Oh, I'm like Tri+racial at the very least. Guess I can't be racist either.

[Tanthallas]

Quite true, and this is precisely what I meant in my previous comment: you are becoming his mirror image. I think I am going to abandon this particular . . debate? flamewar? Poop throwing? I suppose in a few more months I'll venture back into the cesspool of RNF.

Let me just leave you with one actual, real, point to raise the level of this discussion very slightly. It's quite easy to prove that governments will always favor businesses and special interest groups over 'the people'. Aside from the wealth of empirical evidence, you can make a simple logical argument starting from asymmetry of information and benefits.

Alarti and I established long ago that we more or less see eye to eye on political matters. My statement was more or less a joke in reminiscence of this strange time in my life.

I never questioned your statement that government favors businesses and special interests over 'the people' - whatever the latter may mean. I am merely pointing out that your claims are very entry level - the real question is WHY does government favor particular groups in society over others. To even begin to provide any semblance of an answer to this question, you need to leave the realm of superficial arguments which seek to show one side is 'bad' and one side is 'good' and start talking about how contemporary society organizes and reproduces itself.

[p99soundsok]

The way Obama implemented this universal healthcare had major problems that even his fellow democrats detected from the beginning. It destroys free market capitalism among the insurers and at the same time redistributes wealth to the poor and expedites the destruction of the middle class. This could have been done right. The single-payer option was proposed by many intelligent congressmen but Obama sought to make a few industry players BIG WINNERS.

[Leftoverture]

Someone who is biracial can't be racist?


If that isn't what you mean, then I'm not sure what you were getting at.


Oh, I'm like Tri+racial at the very least. Guess I can't be racist either.

You're missing the point that racism accusations fly when you are critical of the president


Because he is black

[Kagatob]

You're missing the point that racism accusations fly when you are critical of the president


Because he is black

He's bi-racial too.

[Recycled Children]

Anti-corporate but pro-government. Does this sound like an oxymoron to anyone else?

[Kagatob]

Anti-corporate but pro-government. Does this sound like an oxymoron to anyone else?

I'll toss them a bone and guess that they are hopeful that the government will someday get out of bed with the corporations and back in bed with the people. From what I've been told/read, the USA was a great place pre-cold war. Even during the first half of the cold war some great achievements were had. 1970?, fuck it all.

I am of course talking about the administration and the whole geo-political situation, ignoring social equality issues, that's about the only thing we've inched forward in since then.

[Raavak]

Socialized medicine doesn't work. The only systems where people are happy in it are countries with so much oil revenue that the economy can support it.

[Alarti0001]

Socialized medicine doesn't work. The only systems where people are happy in it are countries with so much oil revenue that the economy can support it.

Denmark?

[Alarti0001]

Socialized medicine doesn't work. The only systems where people are happy in it are countries with so much oil revenue that the economy can support it.

Also, didn't the US just discovery like Mega-oil in ND/SD etc?

[radditsu]

The way Obama implemented this universal healthcare had major problems that even his fellow democrats detected from the beginning. It destroys free market capitalism among the insurers and at the same time redistributes wealth to the poor and expedites the destruction of the middle class. This could have been done right. The single-payer option was proposed by many intelligent congressmen but Obama sought to make a few industry players BIG WINNERS.

Single payer was negotiated out w Republicans. Remember the ddeath panel fear mongering? Was around then. Ultimately they should have kept it In and say fuck the right wing. I guess they needed those zero votes in the house and those 50+ repeal votes.

[Nune]

Also, didn't the US just discovery like Mega-oil in ND/SD etc?

yeah a buddy of mine got a job up around the border, they were paying him shit wages at first now hes making 4 figures a week. They just keep finding more

[hatelore]

"Doughy" and "pale" aren't really races.

Anyway, I just don't get it. As a fat white girl, you eliminate at least 80% of your potential mates by being such a putrid bigot.

You used to be funny, now your just a whiney little biotch~ Sad, how people degrade in rnf over time.

[hatelore]

Obamacare was a flat out fucking failure, as most intelligent American's already knew it would be. You would have to be half brain dead, or lacking in brain cells to disagree.

[Alarti0001]

Obamacare was a flat out fucking failure, as most intelligent American's already knew it would be. You would have to be half brain dead, or lacking in brain cells to disagree.

Do explain how :)

Also, I am very glad you aren't a neurologist.

[Infuriati]

Talking politics on a 13 year old elf simulator makes all the difference in the world. If you really have input and want to make a difference then vote, or have some kind of influence in the world of politics.

This shit is just stupid.

[Barkingturtle]

You used to be funny, now your just a whiney little biotch~ Sad, how people degrade in rnf over time.

Duly noted. Sorry you're no longer a fan. I work really hard to keep you bros rollin' in the lulz, so it bums me out when you're bummed out.:(

While we're offering our unsolicited impressions of one another: I don't have the first fucking clue who you are.

[radditsu]

Duly noted. Sorry you're no longer a fan. I work really hard to keep you bros rollin' in the lulz, so it bums me out when you're bummed out.:(

While we're offering our unsolicited impressions of one another: I don't have the first fucking clue who you are.


Classic turtle bro.

Ice burn!

[Barkingturtle]

I've still got it!

[Shannacore]

I've still got it!

Did yer book thing work out?

[Autotune]

I've still got it!

Sometimes.

[Barkingturtle]

Sometimes.

I'll take it!

Did yer book thing work out?

I'm in the home stretch, just ironing out the final edit. This is the fourth revision. That is three more than I expected. Thanks for asking!

There was a slight delay, as a few months ago my agent/editor welcomed his firstborn. He's based in London, so those socialist weirdos forced him to take a couple weeks of paid paternity leave. Hey! That's kinda on-topic!

[Orruar]

Talking politics on a 13 year old elf simulator makes all the difference in the world. If you really have input and want to make a difference then vote, or have some kind of influence in the world of politics.

This shit is just stupid.

rofl, that's so cute. Let me guess, 18 years old?

[Orruar]

You are pretty much proving my point for me.

Root has redefined the term "everyone". 42% of people = everyone.

[Millburn]

I didn't read any of this obviously troll bait thread but to answer the thread question...

Loving it!

I actually got through the stupid website, which was a horrible experience for the most part but holy damn was it worth it.

I'm literally paying a fifth of what I was paying for insurance previously and it ACTUALLY COVERS WHAT I NEED IT TO COVER. It's a fucking Christmas day miracle in my household.

[Infuriati]

rofl, that's so cute. Let me guess, 18 years old?

Old enough to know that I was within an age range to fuck your mother while you suckled from her titty.

Don't worry though I was quiet.

[Pint]

Your posts in this thread are coming off as some deranged fear-monger who has extreme difficulty separating his opinion from fact.


this is a pretty spot on description of what most alarti post reads like, i was amused when i realized no one else saw the irony.

[Barkingturtle]

Old enough to know that I was within an age range to fuck your mother while you suckled from her titty.

Don't worry though I was quiet.

Kinda pedo, imo.

[Clark]

I didn't read any of this obviously troll bait thread but to answer the thread question...

Loving it!

I actually got through the stupid website, which was a horrible experience for the most part but holy damn was it worth it.

I'm literally paying a fifth of what I was paying for insurance previously and it ACTUALLY COVERS WHAT I NEED IT TO COVER. It's a fucking Christmas day miracle in my household.

:)

[Infuriati]

Kinda pedo, imo.

Its borderline, but don't worry Orr - who fucking cares, knows that he heard the triumphant sounds of my orgasm as I blew my seed inside her. It either inspired greatness or hatred, either way that shit was "a 10 a fucking 10."

[Tanthallas]

rofl, that's so cute. Let me guess, 18 years old?

haha

[Nuggie]

I didn't read any of this obviously troll bait thread but to answer the thread question...

Loving it!

I actually got through the stupid website, which was a horrible experience for the most part but holy damn was it worth it.

I'm literally paying a fifth of what I was paying for insurance previously and it ACTUALLY COVERS WHAT I NEED IT TO COVER. It's a fucking Christmas day miracle in my household.

Obamacare, ACA, whatever you want to call it is potentially good in atleast the short term for many poor people.

From the point of view from a middle class family man: my employer (largest company in our industry) couldn't (refused to) afford the taxes on the plan they offered us starting in 2014. They are phasing out our PPO plan and offering a lower premium HMO plan with a 6x sized deductible.

I'm going from the mentality of, "Hey, if shit happens my family is covered." to "Hope we don't get sick this year."

[Nuggie]

Are you too fucking stupid to use a computer or a telephone to use the exchanges to find a better or comparable plan? Or do you just want to join in with the old White Republicans playing "Smear the ******?" I think I know which one you want.

If you think this has anything to do with race you are insulting yourself. This has to do with multiple groups seeing different paths the country should be headed. Unfortunately the further each group gets down their own path the harder it is to find common ground to base compromises upon.

[Nuggie]

Also, a quote from a successful money manager:

"Money goes to where it is treated the best."

If you treat the rich/middle class poorly they will leave and find places that treat them better. Look what happened to Detroit since the 70's. Taxes went up, revenues went down (because the rich and middle class left). They left to cities/states that offered them better deals. That's capitalism.

One last thought before bedtime, what has the government put their hands in (other than national security) that didn't turn into a mismanaged disaster? Provide examples with any dissenting opinions please.

[Alarti0001]

this is a pretty spot on description of what most alarti post reads like, i was amused when i realized no one else saw the irony.

not even close, but your inability to separate your opinion from fact is noted.

[Orruar]

Are you too fucking stupid to use a computer or a telephone to use the exchanges to find a better or comparable plan? Or do you just want to join in with the old White Republicans playing "Smear the ******?" I think I know which one you want.

Or maybe he did and it still sucked? I checked the exchanges for the hell of it. Would have been 2x the cost for an inferior plan. So even if my current plan were to double in price, I'd stick with it. However, I'm one of the lucky ones, and my plan is only going up by about 25%.

[Orruar]

Old enough to know that I was within an age range to fuck your mother while you suckled from her titty.

Don't worry though I was quiet.

Besides being creepy, how did someone make it to 40+ years old without figuring out that voting is a fucking joke?

[moklianne]

Obamacare, ACA, whatever you want to call it is potentially good in atleast the short term for many poor people.

From the point of view from a middle class family man: my employer (largest company in our industry) couldn't (refused to) afford the taxes on the plan they offered us starting in 2014. They are phasing out our PPO plan and offering a lower premium HMO plan with a 6x sized deductible.

I'm going from the mentality of, "Hey, if shit happens my family is covered." to "Hope we don't get sick this year."

Did they break down the costs?

I work for a rather large ERP and retail software company and the ACA costs were described as such a small contributor to the total increase that it was really barely worth mentioning. From the presentation:

-Aging population and increased average lifespan
-Technology improvements and the cost associated with treating complex conditions
-Rise of complex biologic medications pushing Rx spend upward
-Health industry consolidation increased 50% in past few years (e.g. hospital mergers) as fewer markets compete for patients
-Health Care Reform – additional coverage requirements; Patient Centered Outcomes Research fees (2013 & 2014) and Transition Reinsurance fees (2014-2016) paid by Epicor.

Now, what many companies are doing is using this as an opportunity to push you off onto the exchanges, since the cost savings to the company would be immense. Companies may publicly say they hate the ACA, but behind closed doors, they love it.

[Lojik]

One last thought before bedtime, what has the government put their hands in (other than national security) that didn't turn into a mismanaged disaster? Provide examples with any dissenting opinions please.

One could argue that the way they've dealt with National Security in the last 50 years has both jeopardized our safety and cost us a great deal financially.

[Stinkum]

Obama is a fuckin SAINT

pras

[Lune]

What has the government put their hands in (other than national security) that didn't turn into a mismanaged disaster? Provide examples with any dissenting opinions please.

Healthcare, in every other developed country but our own.

The scientific development of nuclear weapons and nuclear energy.

Transit to the moon.

CERN.

A system of public freeways spanning our continent.

Hoover dam.

National and global weather forecasting apparatus.

US Geological Survey.

National parks.

China's One Child Policy, which despite some negative collateral effects, helped alleviate uncontrollable overpopulation in an already overpopulated region, contributing to the prevention of 200-400 million births.

Chinese currency/economic manipulation that is systematically destroying the unprotected American middle class.

But then, most countries don't have a centuries-long streak of an obstructionist, dumbfuck, anti-gov GOP undermining the efficacy of the government.

[Daldolma]

so government creates nukes, prevents you from having children, and uses economic manipulation to turn you into an industrial slave?

THANKS GOVERNMENT

[Lune]

so government creates nukes,

Nuclear energy as well, leading to nuclear medicine, nuclear imaging, and nuclear reactors.

prevents you from having children

During a population crisis, creating benefits for subsequent generations and the world as a whole, with 200-400 million less people polluting the fuck out of the Earth.

and uses economic manipulation to turn you into an industrial slave?

The manipulation was intended to sap economic health from overseas, industrial slavery is a trait of Chinese status as a developing country with poor education, poor infrastructure, and a heavily rural populace. We went through the same thing when our economy developed.

Note that our own manipulation of the dollar as a reserve currency is one of the last defenses of our steadily declining standard of living.

[Orruar]

Transit to the moon.

Chinese currency/economic manipulation that is systematically destroying the unprotected American middle class.

The first one is very apt given your avatar. Of course, what could we have done with that $25B of 1960's dollars instead of send people to the moon? How about an extra 50 years worth of cancer research. The government is great at showing you what it has done, but it's impossible to show what could have been if not for their theft of our money.

And the second one is just plain stupid. Do you really believe what you just said? China is preparing to allow its currency to appreciate, in preparation for delinking from the USD entirely. If your theory is true, we should see fantastic times ahead for the American middle class. Instead, this is the beginning of the end.

[Orruar]

Healthcare, in every other developed country but our own.

The scientific development of nuclear weapons and nuclear energy.

Transit to the moon.

CERN.

A system of public freeways spanning our continent.

Hoover dam.

National and global weather forecasting apparatus.

US Geological Survey.

National parks.

China's One Child Policy, which despite some negative collateral effects, helped alleviate uncontrollable overpopulation in an already overpopulated region, contributing to the prevention of 200-400 million births.

Chinese currency/economic manipulation that is systematically destroying the unprotected American middle class.

But then, most countries don't have a centuries-long streak of an obstructionist, dumbfuck, anti-gov GOP undermining the efficacy of the government.

Also, taken a whole, it should be noted that the US-related things you listed account for maybe 1/10th of 1% of the government. So it's good you were able to find that small slice of things that aren't completely destroyed by the touch of Uncle Sam.

[Ahldagor]

lune once again comes in with facts and not hypotheticals. /salute



Now, what many companies are doing is using this as an opportunity to push you off onto the exchanges, since the cost savings to the company would be immense. Companies may publicly say they hate the ACA, but behind closed doors, they love it.

precisely. the theater gets good ratings when it works, but the bullshit that it has been lately isn't helping the sales.

[Lune]

And the second one is just plain stupid. Do you really believe what you just said? China is preparing to allow its currency to appreciate, in preparation for delinking from the USD entirely. If your theory is true, we should see fantastic times ahead for the American middle class. Instead, this is the beginning of the end.

That's exactly what I mean. China is out-governing us in terms of economic and fiscal policy. Government provides guidance in contrast to free market chaos, where people will seek to plunder the system at the cost of everyone else. Our middle class will continue to be destroyed as a result.

Also, taken a whole, it should be noted that the US-related things you listed account for maybe 1/10th of 1% of the government. So it's good you were able to find that small slice of things that aren't completely destroyed by the touch of Uncle Sam.

I was specific, you should do the same. What is it you think Uncle Sam is systematically destroying?

Of course, what could we have done with that $25B of 1960's dollars instead of send people to the moon? How about an extra 50 years worth of cancer research. The government is great at showing you what it has done, but it's impossible to show what could have been if not for their theft of our money.

I agree. But the fact that our government spends its money isn't an example of why governments aren't legitimate, only that ours is/was not optimally run. There was still heaps of public sector cancer research during that time. Also lots of corruption, pork barrel defense spending, and crony capitalism.

And guess what? All this shit works elsewhere, particularly western and northern Europe. You never addressed that.

[runlvlzero]

Do you think Obamacare will pay for HRT, I haven't tried as a "homeless vet yet" either.

Seems 2 expensive IMO still. For any meaningful quality of life improving medication/treatments.

[Barkingturtle]

Do you think Obamacare will pay for HRT,

Hemorrhoid Reduction Techniques?

Honestly, if he's the right one he'll understand.

[Daldolma]

if you view china's one child policy as a governmental success, you will never be satisfied with american government. that policy is the antithesis of every ideal american government is founded upon.

also serious lol @ bashing american government at the expense of foreign governments like china, germany, etc.

we're less than 75 years removed from the chinese government murdering ~30 million of its own citizens, the german/austrian government murdering 12 million civilians plus another 5 million of its own soldiers in expansionary wars, the soviet government murdering 20 million of its own citizens, the french being literally conquered, the italian government being a) turned into a fascist police state and then b) being controlled by organized crime, and the greeks going bankrupt.

who's left? the UK? spain? a bunch of micro-nations with the population of north carolina?

[runlvlzero]

The UK will be glad to send troops in and dictate our policies which will lead to the killing of over 1 billion americans... oh wait we don't even have 1 billion to lose.

Our nation will become the playground of countries will billion + populations as soon as the economy reaches France levels of stupid.

[Lune]

if you view china's one child policy as a governmental success, you will never be satisfied with american government. that policy is the antithesis of every ideal american government is founded upon.

also serious lol @ bashing american government at the expense of foreign governments like china, germany, etc.

we're less than 75 years removed from the chinese government murdering ~30 million of its own citizens, the german/austrian government murdering 12 million civilians plus another 5 million of its own soldiers in expansionary wars, the soviet government murdering 20 million of its own citizens, the french being literally conquered, the italian government being a) turned into a fascist police state and then b) being controlled by organized crime, and the greeks going bankrupt.

who's left? the UK? spain? a bunch of micro-nations with the population of north carolina?

You're going off topic. I'm not condoning their past crimes, I'm citing examples from current circumstances.

We systematically murdered the Native American population, outright stole land from Mexico, and killed hundreds of thousands of our own countrymen in a civil war. Do we not count either then?

[Barkingturtle]

We systematically murdered the Native American population, outright stole land from Mexico, and killed hundreds of thousands of our own countrymen in a civil war. Do we not count either then?

More recently, we allowed Walmart to flourish.

We've long been a nation below reproach.

[Sidelle]

You're going off topic. I'm not condoning their past crimes, I'm citing examples from current circumstances.

We systematically murdered the Native American population, outright stole land from Mexico, and killed hundreds of thousands of our own countrymen in a civil war. Do we not count either then?
Pox blankets make great Christmas gifts! (Lol, a little Native humor...)

[Sidelle]

Oh btw, to the asshole earlier in this thread (forgot which asshole it was and don't feel like finding the post) who made a shitty comment about my heritage, I am 1/2 indian and an enrolled Colville Tribal member. I just happened to be light skinned, well.... BECAUSE I'M HALF WHITE, YOU FAG. There are surprisingly light skinned blacks that are half and half out there too, fucking "duh".

[Hailto]

Oh btw, to the asshole earlier in this thread (forgot which asshole it was and don't feel like finding the post) who made a shitty comment about my heritage, I am 1/2 indian and an enrolled Colville Tribal member. I just happened to be light skinned, well.... BECAUSE I'M HALF WHITE, YOU FAG. There are surprisingly light skinned blacks that are half and half out there too, fucking "duh".

What do i have to do to get inside you gurl?

[Kagatob]

Oh btw, to the asshole earlier in this thread (forgot which asshole it was and don't feel like finding the post) who made a shitty comment about my heritage, I am 1/2 indian and an enrolled Colville Tribal member.

Not with that chin you ain't, the only thing you are half of is Jay Leno.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5b4JANEyZoQ/SbZ0_L2R-7I/AAAAAAAAACE/vXJ0HSEpDHQ/s320/Jay.Leno.jpg

[Sidelle]

Not with that chin you ain't, the only thing you are half of is Jay Leno.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5b4JANEyZoQ/SbZ0_L2R-7I/AAAAAAAAACE/vXJ0HSEpDHQ/s320/Jay.Leno.jpg

Kagatob has apparently run out of little girl cartoons to jerk off to.

[Nuggie]

Oh btw, to the asshole earlier in this thread (forgot which asshole it was and don't feel like finding the post) who made a shitty comment about my heritage, I am 1/2 indian and an enrolled Colville Tribal member. I just happened to be light skinned, well.... BECAUSE I'M HALF WHITE, YOU FAG. There are surprisingly light skinned blacks that are half and half out there too, fucking "duh".

I knew a few "white" colored American Mexicans. That dont have "white" parents. The shit happens. You take a georgeous pic, dont let the RNF haters get you down.


Did they break down the costs?

my employer (largest company in our industry) couldn't (refused to) afford the taxes on the plan they offered us starting in 2014.

If that doesn't answer your question I guess my reading comprehension is lacking. The taxes was the (publicly disclosed) deciding factor in the plan change. Maybe they blamed Obamacare for a change they wanted to make anyways? I dont know.

One could argue that the way they've dealt with National Security in the last 50 years has both jeopardized our safety and cost us a great deal financially.

One could also argue that having the most advanced and feared military in the world has kept other countries from invading. There is no way to tell how much we have saved from using the "Big Stick" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Stick_ideology) theory of Teddy's. Notice how the Syrian gov became willing to negotiate after we cleaned up our plate a bit and put a target on them?



LONG REPLY BELOW

TLDR version: States would be better at administering nearly all of the programs that the Feds deemed necessary to cram down our throats.




1. The scientific development of nuclear weapons and nuclear energy.

2. Transit to the moon.

3. CERN.

4. A system of public freeways spanning our continent.

5. Hoover dam.

6. National and global weather forecasting apparatus.

7. US Geological Survey.

8. National parks.

9. China's One Child Policy, which despite some negative collateral effects, helped alleviate uncontrollable overpopulation in an already overpopulated region, contributing to the prevention of 200-400 million births.

10. Chinese currency/economic manipulation that is systematically destroying the unprotected American middle class.

11. But then, most countries don't have a centuries-long streak of an obstructionist, dumbfuck, anti-gov GOP undermining the efficacy of the government.

Other countries' health care? I dont care about their problems, only our own. But this is really comparing apples to oranges. You compare a country(USA) with a pop near 330million to countries with populations of: Germany(80 mil), UK 64mil, France 63mil, Italy 60mil, Spain 46 mil, Denmark 5 mil to name a few. These countries have populations barely twice the size of our most populous state: California at 38 mil. These programs would be better administered at the state level.

1. There are pro's and cons to nuclear energy. While I like using the aforementioned big stick theory I feel that the use of nukes on a population is a horrendous thing.

2. I'm all about scientific R&D, but the private sector can do these things cheaper and more efficiently. Yes, it was first done by the government, but if there had been a "need" for these things then privately funded companies could have done it better.

3. couldn't care less how europe spends their money.

4. we had roads that spanned the continent already that were funded by local/state governments.

5. This is a good one, but like I mentioned before if there was a need for this then the private sector could have done it cheaper and more efficiently.

6. Good one, these I'm sure have saved lives.

7. I guess i dont know enough about what the USGS does to repond to this.

8. National parks could be managed from a state level.

9. I've heard of horror stories (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/books/review/book-review-message-from-an-unknown-chinese-mother-by-xinran.html?_r=0) about this policy. But I dont care about China and their problems.

10. the Chinese are trying things to help themselves. While the Open Door Policy (http://history.state.gov/milestones/1899-1913/hay-and-china) was a good idea in theory, John Hay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hay) and his counter parts were operating under the assumption that China would play fair. not counterfeit american products (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=130381) that has driven out manufacturing jobs (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/24/report-america-lost-27-million-jobs-to-china-in-10-years). The way things used to work was that if you didnt want to(couldn't afford to) pursue higher education for a high skilled job there were plenty of factory jobs you could pick up and live off. Not anymore. I bet some of the people looking for work today could use one of the millions of jobs lost to Asia. Good job from the Feds helping the unemployement rate go up.

11. Heh, if there wasn't someone to keep the Socialists in check then we would all be living in cities much like Detroit. Or perhaps we would be living in a society where we all earned the same wage, which strips the peoples ability to better themselves through their labor.

Anti federal government? you're damn right. Other than keeping an army advanced and large enough to protect the nation there isn't anything they can do that the individual states couldn't do equally as good or better. The states can better tailor policies to suit their individual needs, rather than lump everyone into a policy that is good for some but bad for others.


Also, as Orruar said, these are very very small parts of the budget or debt. The big things that are killing us are financing promises (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)) made that couldn't be kept with sound book keeping.

Quote from that link: Total Social Security expenditures in 2013 were $1.3 trillion, 8.4% of the $16.3 trillion GNP (2013) and 37% of the Federal expenditures of $3.684 trillion.[

[SCB]

Oh btw, to the asshole earlier in this thread (forgot which asshole it was and don't feel like finding the post) who made a shitty comment about my heritage, I am 1/2 indian and an enrolled Colville Tribal member. I just happened to be light skinned, well.... BECAUSE I'M HALF WHITE, YOU FAG. There are surprisingly light skinned blacks that are half and half out there too, fucking "duh".

I don't post In end as a general rule but wanted to remind you that your ancestors fought like total pussies and your kin are now alcoholics as a general rule. At least we let you stick around to dress up in your silly caveman clothes and whore your heritage out at casinos though. Make sure you thank your rain god or whatever that we were so nice. How does thanksgiving make you feel, by the way? Better or worse than Columbus day?

[Sidelle]

I don't post In end as a general rule but wanted to remind you that your ancestors fought like total pussies and your kin are now alcoholics as a general rule. At least we let you stick around to dress up in your silly caveman clothes and whore your heritage out at casinos though. Make sure you thank your rain god or whatever that we were so nice. How does thanksgiving make you feel, by the way? Better or worse than Columbus day?
You seem mad. Are you a descendant of Custer or something?

[SCB]

You seem mad. Are you a descendant of Custer or something?

I don't know, because he's not a major figure in my culture, just in yours. I live on land I own, not in a people-zoo set up by the government. You never answered my question: thanksgiving or Columbus day?

[Nuggie]

big·ot
[big-uht]

noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

[SCB]

big·ot
[big-uht]

noun
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=white+knight

Keep hitting on caveman up there brah. Nudes are sure to follow. When all else fails, use fire(water).

RnF is so freeing.

[Nuggie]

I will accept the white knight title if you accept the bigotry title.

[Sidelle]

I don't know, because he's not a major figure in my culture, just in yours. I live on land I own, not in a people-zoo set up by the government. You never answered my question: thanksgiving or Columbus day?
As an American I'm perfectly fine on either day. What a weird question. My feelings about the past regarding my native ancestors is pretty much this: it is what it is. I'm proud of both heritages for different reasons. No race is perfect.

And to comment on your smug remark about what you "own" (btw, are you free and clear owner or have a mortgage? If so, the bank owns it technically.) I am also a homeowner and don't live on the rez.

Are you done being an asshole now?

[Calabee]

why do u keep entertaining and feeding the trolls sid, fucking stop posting in rnf

[Retti_]

http://img.youtube.com/vi/QhpqVpu-uYw/0.jpg

[Kagatob]

Kagatob has apparently run out of little girl cartoons to jerk off to.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f5bbf1445b067c26d88cbe589d846fd9/tumblr_mwl4pa5uY61rrgo8ho1_500.gif
:)

[Sidelle]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f5bbf1445b067c26d88cbe589d846fd9/tumblr_mwl4pa5uY61rrgo8ho1_500.gif
:)
Lol. I like that.

[SCB]

You own your mom's basement? Is your ass-smelling Faggosphere sovereign territory? Does she instinctively know not to open the door when you're fapping to the porn that you really don't want others to know you what?

When you finally have sex with another person, which act is going to be the most relevant? Swallowing, or taking the cream pie?

Finally have sex? My people have been raping indians for over 500 years now, does that count as a sex act? Kill the men, rape the women, steal the land, put them in people-zoos. Replace them with Puerto Ricans for Thanksgiving Day parades because they're all drunken embarrassments who would fuck up their one time to shine.

Thank us for letting you live, Sidelle. Better yet, thank the big bad government for your existence. Fucking welfare state sparing your ancestors back when they should have been put down like dogs is the only reason you exist.

I'll extend the olive branch - thanks for creating such charming little casinos for us.

As for your question: Creampie, but I'm sure I'll pull it out and swallow, so I guess both? #orgytakesmyvirginity #canthandleallthismess.




Serious note: In general, you guys are as bad at talking shit as you are at discussing matters of relevance. Only this sick bastard above even responded in the right direction. Props dude.

[Kagatob]

^
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/094/170/Riley*****YouGay.jpg

[Sidelle]

Finally have sex? My people have been raping indians for over 500 years now, does that count as a sex act? Kill the men, rape the women, steal the land, put them in people-zoos. Replace them with Puerto Ricans for Thanksgiving Day parades because they're all drunken embarrassments who would fuck up their one time to shine.

Thank us for letting you live, Sidelle. Better yet, thank the big bad government for your existence. Fucking welfare state sparing your ancestors back when they should have been put down like dogs is the only reason you exist.

I'll extend the olive branch - thanks for creating such charming little casinos for us.

As for your question: Creampie, but I'm sure I'll pull it out and swallow, so I guess both? #orgytakesmyvirginity #canthandleallthismess.




Serious note: In general, you guys are as bad at talking shit as you are at discussing matters of relevance. Only this sick bastard above even responded in the right direction. Props dude.
Lol @ you bragging about your ancestors raping and killing native people for 500 years. I'm sure they would be proud of you, who is maybe capable of raping and slaying some hot pockets. Grats, big man! =)

[Lune]

If you've never raped a nice, warm hot pocket you haven't lived

[Arclyte]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/image.php?u=26048&dateline=1383708056

You're not 1/2 native american, and I'm willing to bet your "native" parent doesn't look like much like an indian either

[Autotune]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/image.php?u=26048&dateline=1383708056

You're not 1/2 native american, and I'm willing to bet your "native" parent doesn't look like much like an indian either

I'm not half native, not even close, and my damn skin is tan as fuck if I even see sunlight for more than 30 minutes.

So, either she never leaves the basement or she is less than 1/16th native.

[Sidelle]

http://www.project1999.org/forums/image.php?u=26048&dateline=1383708056

You're not 1/2 native american, and I'm willing to bet your "native" parent doesn't look like much like an indian either

He's definitely darker than me by quite a bit but I take after my scottish and french side more, so oh well.. Thanks for your input though. Sorry I'm not dark enough for you. Lol

[Sidelle]

I'm not half native, not even close, and my damn skin is tan as fuck if I even see sunlight for more than 30 minutes.

So, either she never leaves the basement or she is less than 1/16th native.
In my tribe you can't be enrolled unless you're at least 1/4.

[Sidelle]

Weirdly enough, my son is darker than me and his father is 100% white, so he is 1/4. Genetics are a funny thing. =)

[Autotune]

In my tribe you can't be enrolled unless you're at least 1/4.

I want to be in a tribe! Seriously though, how are you not tan as hell with that much native american in you?

I think my grandmother's grandmother (or her grandmother's mom) was Cherokee and it has pretty much turned every male in my family to a tanned mofo (we also farm, so it has a little to do with it). My mother's side apparently had Iraquois somewhere, but they are all white as fuck due to my grandfather being some German/Irish/Italian hybrid thing or whatever.

My younger sister and I are really tan and stay that way easily, while my older sister is pretty white like my mom's side. I can see how genetics can do it, just not when you're that close I guess.

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/jD9R29N.jpg

[Barkingturtle]

Weirdly enough, my son is darker than me and his father is 100% white,

Sounds like he needs to take your scandalous ass on Maury.

Way to reinforce the stereotype that all native-women are whores. And fertile.

[Sidelle]

I want to be in a tribe! Seriously though, how are you not tan as hell with that much native american in you?

I think my grandmother's grandmother (or her grandmother's mom) was Cherokee and it has pretty much turned every male in my family to a tanned mofo (we also farm, so it has a little to do with it). My mother's side apparently had Iraquois somewhere, but they are all white as fuck due to my grandfather being some German/Irish/Italian hybrid thing or whatever.

My younger sister and I are really tan and stay that way easily, while my older sister is pretty white like my mom's side. I can see how genetics can do it, just not when you're that close I guess.
I actively try to avoid tanning, and have since I was 19. I worked at a tanning salon and saw the women turning themselves into beef jerky there. It wasn't pretty. I take excellent care of my skin and look at least 10-15 years younger than I am. Getting some sun is good but baking yourself in it is bad. If the result is that I look pretty pale, so be it. Better than looking like that old lady from "There's Something About Mary".

[Sidelle]

Sounds like he needs to take your scandalous ass on Maury.

Way to reinforce the stereotype that all native-women are whores. And fertile.
Wtf are you talking about...

[runlvlzero]

You own your mom's basement? Is your ass-smelling Faggosphere sovereign territory? Does she instinctively know not to open the door when you're fapping to the porn that you really don't want others to know you what?

When you finally have sex with another person, which act is going to be the most relevant? Swallowing, or taking the cream pie?

Swallowing.

[Autotune]

I actively try to avoid tanning, and have since I was 19. I worked at a tanning salon and saw the women turning themselves into beef jerky there. It wasn't pretty. I take excellent care of my skin and look at least 10-15 years younger than I am. Getting some sun is good but baking yourself in it is bad. If the result is that I look pretty pale, so be it. Better than looking like that old lady from "There's Something About Mary".

I don't purposely try to get tan, but going outside for any length of time and it will just naturally happen. I've seen others who are pale and they can not naturally tan, they either get sun burnt or have to do the whole tanning bed thing (which really looks unnatural to me).

Nearly everyone on my dad's side is like me, there are a few exceptions obviously.

[runlvlzero]

If you can't tan there's something wrong with you, your diet, or you really need to carefully work at it over 5-15 minute periods...

I know people that burn, but its because they go outside 5 minutes a day.

[MrSparkle001]

I actively try to avoid tanning, and have since I was 19. I worked at a tanning salon and saw the women turning themselves into beef jerky there. It wasn't pretty. I take excellent care of my skin and look at least 10-15 years younger than I am. Getting some sun is good but baking yourself in it is bad. If the result is that I look pretty pale, so be it. Better than looking like that old lady from "There's Something About Mary".

Trust me stick with that. The girls in my high school class that used to lay out in the sun all summer and go tanning in the off season look worn out now. Skin got leathery. Not severe like that old lady but noticeable. Doesn't help that many of them started drinking and smoking in their early teens. You don't think any of that matters when you're a teen but then bam it's 20 years later and you look like shit.

[radditsu]

http://i.imgur.com/jD9R29N.jpg

Barack Obama invented the iraq war. Not Dick "loverboy" Cheney and his pretty beard "W"

[runlvlzero]

Barack Obama invented the iraq war. Not Dick "loverboy" Cheney and his pretty beard "W"

Hey fucking retard... Obama lied about virtually all of his campaign points, and his healthcare is bullshit that supports an entrenched industry that needs deregulation/fixing/regulation (reform)

He has perpetuated the "Security Theatre" and the NSA budget is still getting bigger even after Snowden and a bunch of other people blue the whistle on how big the Military Industrial complex is, and what kind of budget gets spent domestically and overseas.

If you cannot understand this, than you are a moran... your president is little more than a yes man, middle management.

[runlvlzero]

Furthermore attacking bush who is now safely ensconced in his pleasure palace full of enslaved blackwater (now Academi) mercs is pointless. He was just a figure head. Attacking presidents will not effect change beyond legitimizing the regiem they serve.

[runlvlzero]

*illegitimizing

[MrSparkle001]

http://imageshack.com/a/img15/63/fskl.jpg

Obama's a fucking lying idiot. All of you who voted for him got trolled so hard.

[radditsu]

I can only assume you were trying to engage me on points runlvlzero. However you are ignored. Go fuck yourself and have a great day.

[radditsu]

http://imageshack.com/a/img15/63/fskl.jpg

Obama's a fucking lying idiot. All of you who voted for him got trolled so hard.

All presidents since nixon are lying fucks in some way or another. No idea on Johnson. ... JFK did about fuckin. I never said Obama is the second coming of FDR. But you fuckers seem to forget about those 8 years of turd bungling that forced us to vote for him. WE HAD NO DEFICIT BEFORE DUBYAH. We were balanced.

You also must have forgot the years since of obstruction and petty bullshit(forced by the tea party on GOP leadership, the last vestige of older white redneck idiocy.).

Yup he lied to try to get bills passed. Welcome to America. In five years shit will be water under a bridge. Just like good ol Romney-care...which sucked at first too.

Please listen to pundits overhype shit more. News now is worse than espn with the hype bullshit.

[Lune]

http://i.imgur.com/IPgWjbv.jpg

^Typical political opinion in this thread

[radditsu]

http://i.imgur.com/IPgWjbv.jpg

^Typical political opinion in this thread

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[Nuggie]

WE HAD NO DEFICIT BEFORE DUBYAH. We were balanced.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png/425px-Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png

Wikipedia says you're wrong. From this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States)

This country was founded on debt.

Except for about a year during 1835–1836, the United States has continuously held a public debt since the US Constitution legally went into effect on March 4, 1789

[Nuggie]

http://i.imgur.com/IPgWjbv.jpg

^Typical political opinion in this thread

Dont care for the shirt, but I would care to meet the busty check out lady.

[Kagatob]

WE HAD NO DEFICIT BEFORE DUBYAH. We were balanced.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png/425px-Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png

Wikipedia says you're wrong. From this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States)

This country was founded on debt.
Those are two different things bud. Nice try?
Dont care for the shirt, but I would care to meet the busty check out lady.
If that's what you call 'busty' you must pick up chicks in Ethiopia.

[Lune]

She doesn't even have big teeters for how fat she is. Look at that fold on her arm. But then I guess she's like a 8/10 in the south, where I presume that pic was taken.

[radditsu]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png/425px-Federal_Debt_Held_by_the_Public_1790-2013.png

Wikipedia says you're wrong. From this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States)

This country was founded on debt.

Debt =/ deficit.

[runlvlzero]

I don't think Radditsu has a fuckin clue, beyond thinking they are some kind of perfect model citizen.

Radditsu, the problems with our current political situation are manyfold. Obama is part of the present and direct problem.

[runlvlzero]

Also people like Radditsu who chose to project on other subcultures and groups their own political ignorance.

Go read the Department of States website, you might learn something Radditsu.

[runlvlzero]

Also you can start with history - right around 1776 and look at how things have changed/developed slowly over the last two centuries.

I have a deep feel that Radditsu smoked weed and flunked history.

[runlvlzero]

Lastly, and I doubt you can do this... you can analyze and brainstorm some solutions/changes you think would make the government more efficient and effective at, y'know, doing the things it was supposed to do.

Even if you yourself cannot enact them, or work them out. You can at least do the thought exercise and research to become more informed for when you are able to make a choice.

[Kagatob]

Please stop quad posting. Finish a thought before hitting that little button.

[Lune]

Please stop quad posting. Finish a thought before hitting that little button.

[radditsu]

Please stop quad posting. Finish a thought before hitting that little button.

I assume you are talking about runlvlzero digital diahrehha.

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/didnt-read-lol-gif-13.gif

[Nuggie]

Debt =/ deficit.

Please explain how you get debt without a running a deficit in your budget.

[radditsu]

Please explain how you get debt without a running a deficit in your budget.

Deficit and debt are two different things. I learned that in econ101 10 years ago. If you want to come at me about economics, your ass needs to come correct and refute the points I make. Not twist them due to ignoance of basic economic turns.


http://www.treasurydirect.gov/news/pressroom/pressroom_bpd08052004.htm


Something to listen to get you started:
http://www.marketplace.org


Warning slight liberal bias. They hide it well.

[Nuggie]

Thanks for the education. So let me come at it from a different angle.

WE HAD NO DEFICIT BEFORE DUBYAH. We were balanced.

How about this link (http://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php)

It shows 12 years of surplus' since 1940. Many more deficits. Which is the point I was trying to make in the first place.

[MrSparkle001]

Yup he lied to try to get bills passed. Welcome to America. In five years shit will be water under a bridge. Just like good ol Romney-care...which sucked at first too.

Romney care still sucks but at least it's contained to just one state.

You really think this will be water under a bridge in five years? Yeah maybe if it's repealed. Give it a year from now and see what shit happens. We aren't even up to the employer mandate yet. Premiums will be rising and more and more people will be pissed. The only people who won't be pissed are the ones who are getting it for free and the ones with preexisting conditions who are gonna cost the insurance companies millions, who won't be subsidized by the young and healthy because they want no fucking part of this shit. Just about everyone who's signed up for this are either old or have preexisting conditions that cost a lot. Why do you think the insurance companies keep having meetings with him?

And then there's this shit about secret deals with Iran. I don't know enough about it yet but wtf. This guy's such a fucking idiot. We all know why he won both elections though and man did people get trolled hard.

[Nuggie]

If this deal with Iran pulls through it will be the greatest thing that came out of Obama's presidency. Glad the old Iranian president got voted out so this could happen. Whether it was under a Democrat or Republican.

[Kagatob]

Romney care still sucks but at least it's contained to just one state.

As someone who lives in Taxachusetts and works in an out of state hospital I can tell you that you are blowing steam out of your ass.

First off the name 'Romney care' is a misnomer considering the entire program was overhauled after the door hit Mittens' ass on his way out.

Next if you look at the trends of the entire country while the number of Mass insured was dropping shortly after the signing of the act, you'd see that it was a nationwide trend and that MA was still at the bottom of that trend (lower being better).

Hospitals are still being built/expanded, the healthcare field here in MA is booming and nearly everyone is insured.

Look it up yourself, you can see that currently the state with the lowest % of uninsured people is Mass by a longshot, second place (Hawaii) has twice as many uninsured. ;)

[p99soundsok]

And then there's this shit about secret deals with Iran. I don't know enough about it yet but wtf.


>butthurt about Obamacare costing lots of money

>can't understand why Obama wants to do whatever he can to circumvent participation in more and more pointless wars in the Middle East that cost trillions


http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30364-you-are-so-dumb-you-are-really-uA6z.gif

[r00t]

my coworker obamacared this weekend to comply with the law

took him over 4 hours on the shit website

only website shittier than facebook

[Kagatob]

my coworker obamacared this weekend to comply with the law

took him over 4 hours on the shit website

only website shittier than facebook

Reddit is the Obamacare website?

[fishingme]

I've got a pretty big dick, sidelle. Would show you it but shit's gotta be pic for pic. Anyways, obamacare killed my dental/vision insurance. Fuck em, haven't had to go to the doctor in 8 years.

[MrSparkle001]

[QUOTE=p99soundsok;1199492>can't understand why Obama wants to do whatever he can to circumvent participation in more and more pointless wars in the Middle East that cost trillions[/QUOTE]

You believe that and yet call me dumb. If he was Ron Paul I'd believe that.

Plus we don't know everything about the deal yet. What we know is it's a six month deal in exchange for reduced sanctions. It may not even be that bad a deal. At this point I'm not saying it's good or bad, but I am concerned that he's engaging in secret deals with a regime that will willingly lie to us.

[Sidelle]

If anyone's interested here is a great site to window shop for the new health plans to get some idea on cost, without having to sign up with all your info first.
http://www.healthsherpa.com/

[r00t]

To play devil's advocate I often try to come up with one obama policy I like, but I cant

fake wall street reform, expanding the forever wars, corporate communism of healthcare, coming after our guns, putting us into an even bigger black hole of debt with stupid programs like cash 4 clunkers, etc. etc.

[Lune]

corporate communism

10/10