Yealight Quits: EQClassic Dead

[Cyrano]

Haha what a crybaby. Dude had a review system set up for every post made on their forums and wouldn't allow people to talk about P99 or anywhere else. No surprise he quits when beta testers criticized "his work".

[Stinkum]

This is why these kinds of projects should always be open source.

Otherwise, it hinges on some unstable guy who is prone to taking his proverbial ball and going home when someone calls him a "gosh darn jerk" on the forums.

Still, I can't deny that Yeahlight's work was meticulous. He was very close to coding a perfectionist's recreation of EQ and the classic client down the last detail. That said, I never once thought it was anything but vaporware.

[Lowlife]

teams server more important than ever now.

[Rogean]

Otherwise, it hinges on some unstable guy who is prone to taking his proverbial ball and going home when someone calls him a "gosh darn jerk" on the forums.

I'M LEAVING AND TAKING THE DOG WITH ME!

[Lagaidh]

Muah ha.

[Pringles]

Dude never had a project beyond what everyone else can get from eqemu, he was just stringing everyone along. Vaporware.

[Gaffin']

feel sorry for all those that waited years for this shit posting everyday there, I somehow knew this project was gonna flop and never even gave my effort.

[Champion_Standing]

I'M LEAVING AND TAKING THE DOG WITH ME!

You can't take the dog he's mine!

[gotrocks]

old news :(

also, i called this, oh, about a year ago when i found out about the project and questioned yeahlight on his forum about DB work, getting the response that 'he had no intention of creating an EQ db'.


........then hows anyone gonna play, yeahlight?

[gotrocks]

^^^

meant to add 'hows anyone gonna play, yeahlight?' post never made it onto the forums - yeahlight personally rejected its submission lol. whata scumbag.

[Daldolma]

lol

called this like 2 years ago

yeahlight was full of shit

[Mandalore93]

Really wish I had jumship over here when I had time to play. YL always struck me as very egotistical and controlling. Could never understand the hero worship he got. Although I will give him that he was a very meticulous perfectionist when it came to coding. Good engineer, bad for leading imo.

[kotton05]

He jelly p99 kickin his ass.

[wrxBRAH]

I thought he was doing classic content now? Also why work on the server for 6 years if in the end you wanted to go the legal route. He could've saved himself a lot of work.

[August]

Yeahlight treated his project as the one and only and no one is allowed to touch it.

He took on the mantle of lead developer (after the split from PEQ?) and tried to do everything himself, because when he opened development positions up people sucked.

I tried on multiple occasions to help out development there and was told to 'wait til we have trials' or 'honestly there's no way you could ramp up in time to contribute by the time we're done'.

Egotistical. No one was as good as him when it came down to it, and the thing about those types of people is that their ego is huge but it is egg-shell thin.

He got the feedback he needed to see and instead of being constructive he hung up the towel. No man (or woman) is an island. His forums were fanboy theatre that worshipped him.

I'm personally glad it's gone. Good riddance.

[Langrisserx]

Yeahlight = Platlord

[Recycled Children]

The feedback I have received in private (PM, e-mail, etc.) has been downright appalling--truly shameful remarks.

Jesus. Grow a thicker skin. If you put yourself out there and quit after some bad feedback you weren't going to make it. 5 years of work, what an incredible waste of time.

[Barkingturtle]

Sounds like the long troll -- executed to perfection.

Respect.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Guess I can post this now that he's completely gone. Yeahlight was a chronic liar up until the end.

He admitted a year ago that I wasn't the one who leaked their work. That was true, in the scenario in which I am regularly referenced by Harakiri and Yeahlight, I did not.

However, they used that as a public defamation technique as commonly demonstrated by Harakiri when he used his home IP to connect to these forums and say that I was the one who leaked their work.

That shit pushed me over the line several times. I was floored, I thought they could've been civil. These guys are people who you cannot trust, even if they entice you with "omg classic eq!"

Personally, I think the reason they shut down is due to that network bug they could never figure out coupled with the C&D, rejection from SOE (I've been to SOE's office, I can say without a doubt that the SOE EQ1/EQ2 team has no idea what P99 and EQC was/were up until my visit which was 3 months after Yeahlight's proposal...) and issues with DirectX7 support - It was being a general pain for debugging in realtime scenarios as well as working on 'client' PCs.

Coupled with the drama that the EQ community imposed on their egos.. whether it be Dark-Prince/Sp0tter's leak situation, the 'vaporware' argument, my own imposed drama on them after they shafted me, the general disdain their community projected... list goes on, really. It'd take a toll on anyone's mental state of mind if you don't ignore it.

That's where Rogean and Nilbog really shine; they do not care what players do, thus the server is kept with full integrity as they do not get involved with the community or even remotely close to a GM scenario. That level of transparency is what you want from a classic EQ server, not someone who takes an active stance. They feel less remorse about having to let someone go that's been with them forever because that person couldn't handle the idea of transparency, made bad rulings, etc. (See: GM drama in the past)

That is what makes this server great. This is why EQClassic would fail if it launched anyways. Everyone would be treated in the same manner that their forums are treating them. Do you really want that?

Again, I say good riddance.

[a_gnoll_pup]

In other news, I'm contemplating restarting this...

https://github.com/SecretsOTheP/Server

[Stinkum]

I'm contemplating you finishing the Classic-era client. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=117627)

Don't be a Yeahlight.

[SamwiseRed]

In other news, I'm contemplating restarting this...

https://github.com/SecretsOTheP/Server

fa fuck is this? a virus?

[katrik]

Wow. Im somewhat relieved, I truly think this is the best it's going to get (and its god damn fantastic) as far as a classic experience goes. Some of my friends have been waiting patiently for eqclassic, citing wanting perfection.. I guess now it will easier for them to come over here with me.. =)

[Bamz4l]

In other news, I'm contemplating restarting this...

https://github.com/SecretsOTheP/Server

u have my notepad++

[Freeport]

Fuck Yeahlight's autistic ass.
Vaporware and a waste of my bookmark tab. Fucker

[Carl]

Wow this is some funny reading.

[Jokesteve]

What a fool he was to think sony would EVER give him their graces. The fuck he work on that server for 5 years for? I could of saved him all the trouble and told him how that proposal would of went.

[Champion_Standing]

Best troll of the decade

[Illuzionz]

100% a scam for donations. Guarantee he got well over 10k in donations and barely did dick. Wasn't his little closed beta in the tutorial zone only? lol.

[fishingme]

100% a scam for donations. Guarantee he got well over 10k in donations and barely did dick. Wasn't his little closed beta in the tutorial zone only? lol.

Negative. I wouldn't be so negative on the guy he did seem like he was trying to recreate classic until the last year or two it went a bit downhill. Also, since damn near eqc.org came up it was either in a stickied thread or FAQ that yeahlight was never going to host a server.

[Skass]

he never accepted donation, pity he quit

[Bamz4l]

never host a server, never release code... wait, what?

[Sirken]

I can say without a doubt that the SOE EQ1/EQ2 team has no idea what P99 and EQC was/were up until my visit which was 3 months after Yeahlight's proposal...)
the dates of our C&D letters would disagree with that statement ;)

but either way, as i've said on my stream, Yeahlight was very good at what he does. but it was absolutely foolish of him to put any time or resources or energy into a project that he was going to abandon if it was not supported by SoE (which was exactly the case for those of you that dont know the tale). i could have saved him a ton o time and told him that SoE would never do that.

[Hasbinbad]

people making fun of yeahlight and eqc are kind of like christians making fun of joseph.

If there was no eqc, there would be no p99.

I know a lot of you are noobs are don't know this shit, but have some god damned respect for the dead.

[Rellapse35]

Sirken plz help me with my petition dawg

[Ele]

the dates of our C&D letters would disagree with that statement ;)

but either way, as i've said on my stream, Yeahlight was very good at what he does. but it was absolutely foolish of him to put any time or resources or energy into a project that he was going to abandon if it was not supported by SoE (which was exactly the case for those of you that dont know the tale). i could have saved him a ton o time and told him that SoE would never do that.

The information stream between employees and the legal department is usually lacking and even worse for outside counsel. :p

[Rellapse35]

Sony is stupid to not be banking off us nerds and classic Eq

[Champion_Standing]

Sony is stupid to not be banking off us nerds and classic Eq

They would lose money just on the support staff they would have to hire to babysit the man-children that would inhabit a classic server.

[Hasbinbad]

http://i.imgur.com/u2ruLKU.jpg

[Rellapse35]

They would lose money just on the support staff they would have to hire to babysit the man-children that would inhabit a classic server.

How would they lose money? You don't think people would be willing to be GM's for free? The ones here do it.

[Langrisserx]

quality people like urself! cream of the litter crop

[Champion_Standing]

How would they lose money? You don't think people would be willing to be GM's for free? The ones here do it.

There are no volunteer GMs at SOE. The volunteers at SOE are "guides" and don't have anywhere near the kind of abilities as the GMs do. SOE has paid staff that act as GMs in game...they use volunteers to run events and "settle" player disputes. But they cannot manipulate players inventory, spawn mobs or issue bans without escalating the matter to an actual employee of SOE.

[Rellapse35]

There are no volunteer GMs at SOE. The volunteers at SOE are "guides" and don't have anywhere near the kind of abilities as the GMs do. SOE has paid staff that act as GMs in game...they use volunteers to run events and "settle" player disputes. But they cannot manipulate players inventory, spawn mobs or issue bans without escalating the matter to an actual employee of SOE.

SOE > Hey Sirken dawg wanna be GM of our new classic server?

Sirken> Fuck yea

SOE> cool we will not be paying you for your time as this is just something we are doing for the players.

Sirken > 0 fucks.. I love helping people in EQ.

[a_gnoll_pup]

the dates of our C&D letters would disagree with that statement ;)

but either way, as i've said on my stream, Yeahlight was very good at what he does. but it was absolutely foolish of him to put any time or resources or energy into a project that he was going to abandon if it was not supported by SoE (which was exactly the case for those of you that dont know the tale). i could have saved him a ton o time and told him that SoE would never do that.

Legal and the rest of the dev team do not communicate as far as I am aware, they only answer to management.

I was more so talking specifically about the EQ1/EQ2 dev team.

[Lowlife]

so, wtf is gnollpup making?

[wrxBRAH]

They would lose money just on the support staff they would have to hire to babysit the man-children that would inhabit a classic server.

If you charged $15 a month sub, how would you not be shitting out profit? maybe I don't understand the costs to run a server but I can see a minimum 2000 subs for $30000 monthly revenue. If you can't make profit on that, you're doing it wrong.

[Sloth]

i cant believe people actually followed this shit like it was going to happen.

[Noselacri]

The "appalling PMs" is obviously a smokescreen to excuse his abandoning the project. It's so transparent. Can't respect a guy who has to try and save face instead of being a man and giving his community the honesty they deserve. Anyone with any sense has seen this shit for the vaporware it is for years now, but he still shouldn't lie to the people who were being patient and loyal to him. That whole "I'm gonna do custom content" thing was probably just contrived to create an atmosphere that would let him feel justified in quitting.

[gotrocks]

Sirken > 0 fucks.. I love helping people in EQ.
rofl

[Freeport]

Hey guys this one time I built a house for my wife and kids which took me around 5 years. Right before we installed the front door... I knocked the fucker down.

[Champion_Standing]

Hey guys this one time I built a house for my wife and kids which took me around 5 years. Right before we installed the front door... I knocked the fucker down.

Because you weren't going to let them use the house because it wasn't built by a construction company?

[Freeport]

people making fun of yeahlight and eqc are kind of like christians making fun of joseph.

If there was no eqc, there would be no p99.

I know a lot of you are noobs are don't know this shit, but have some god damned respect for the dead.

You don't deserve to talk anymore HBB. Joseph wasn't the real father of jesus. God was obviously...

[Noselacri]

Hey guys this one time I built a house for my wife and kids which took me around 5 years. Right before we installed the front door... I knocked the fucker down.

Actually it's like spending four years casting the concrete foundation for the house while telling your wife and kids that the house is being built and almost ready, making them pack their bags in preparation, and then you move to a different state the week before moving in. Then the wife and kids realize you were full of shit and the house was never going to get built.

[Noselacri]

And when pressed about whether or not the house was ever going to be finished, you announce that you never actually intended to move into it, but you also won't ever let anybody else move in there, either.

Alright, enough analogies.

[Raavak]

The whole EQClassic project was very ambitious undertaking and the amount of coding that needed to be done, and the size of team, kind of made it nothing but a pipe dream. Was a great idea though. Not sure its worthwhile, though, 10 years later and with P1999 in existence.

[Champion_Standing]

"No one here is going to beg you to save yourself for EQClassic. You can find a temporary fix through other means, but I am certain that you will not find what you are truly seeking until this project is complete." - Yeahlight

Looks like we are all fucked, never gonna find it.

[Rogean]

The legal team will be the ones to fire off C&D's like skittles without any oversight. Anything further than a C&D requires heavy management involvement, at which point smed is like 0 fucks given.

I met quite a few soe people at the latest fan faire. Most of them know what we are, and respect it (even in one case where, having said he respects us, told me we're dicks for ripping their shit, lol).

You guys wouldn't know but I have a special block on the SOE IP Subnets when they visit this website. It displays an error message saying we shut down due to legal matters. The reason this message is there is so that when the SOE Legal department got yet another message about P99, they would hit that block when visiting the site and figure they have nothing to do. They eventually caught on, but it was trolly and lulzy.

[Noselacri]

You guys wouldn't know but I have a special block on the SOE IP Subnets when they visit this website. It displays an error message saying we shut down due to legal matters.

My thumb is up for you.

[Dalven]

The legal team will be the ones to fire off C&D's like skittles without any oversight. Anything further than a C&D requires heavy management involvement, at which point smed is like 0 fucks given.

I met quite a few soe people at the latest fan faire. Most of them know what we are, and respect it(even in one case where, having said he respects us, told me we're dicks for ripping their shit, lol).

You guys wouldn't know but I have a special block on the SOE IP Subnets when they visit this website. It displays an error message saying we shut down due to legal matters. The reason this message is there is so that when the SOE Legal department got yet another message about P99, they would hit that block when visiting the site and figure they have nothing to do. They eventually caught on, but it was trolly and lulzy.

Ha, that guy must be the only guy left that worked on the original EQ. Its beyond me why they would even care that somebody is trying to recreate something that existed 12 years ago. If they were bothered they would be trying to recreate this shit themselves.

If Yeahlight didn't know that his "create a server, ask SOE for permission" idea wasn't going to work he must be the kind of idiot that deserves to get hate mail. Since he can't possibly that stupid after re-encoding classic EQ, as stated he must be the biggest egotist ever to exist on EQ or a downright liar.

You guys wouldn't know but I have a special block on the SOE IP Subnets when they visit this website. It displays an error message saying we shut down due to legal matters.


lol

[a_gnoll_pup]

Yeah, fuck it, I am going to work on the trilogy client again.

https://github.com/SecretsOTheP/ is where I will be working on finishing a 'classic client' emulator if anyone is interested in continuing the whole 'lol look at the classic UI' thing. It's going to stay open source. That way, if I or another developer that decides to contribute get a mental breakdown the work is not lost forever.

The most important part of this being that it will work in conjunction with current EQEmulator clients so you have a choice of using any other EQEmulator client such as Titanium. With the way the networking code is set up (quite hackishly, i'll admit) you can communicate with an EQ Titanium client alongside an EQ Mac or EQ Trilogy client.

First things first, I'm going to write a DirectX7 DLL wrapper that causes the client to not go into fullscreen or convert the application into a fullscreen windowed application. Anyone who was in EQClassic's testing should know that it was one of their major issues - the client not functioning on modern hardware without tweaks being a close second.

I do not know why they were having problems with their network layer, though I suspect it was related to their rewrite of the dinosaur that was EQEmu 0.2.3's Networking. The exact issue? Couldn't tell ya because I don't have the source.

The current client that the source works with is the EQMac client. I am planning to move to the Trilogy client as soon as I can get it out of Fullscreen.

[Hasbinbad]

so no ticks

[Jokesteve]

The "appalling PMs" is obviously a smokescreen to excuse his abandoning the project. It's so transparent. Can't respect a guy who has to try and save face instead of being a man and giving his community the honesty they deserve. Anyone with any sense has seen this shit for the vaporware it is for years now, but he still shouldn't lie to the people who were being patient and loyal to him. That whole "I'm gonna do custom content" thing was probably just contrived to create an atmosphere that would let him feel justified in quitting.

QFT

[r00t]

Yeah, fuck it, I am going to work on the trilogy client again.

https://github.com/SecretsOTheP/ is where I will be working on finishing a 'classic client' emulator if anyone is interested in continuing the whole 'lol look at the classic UI' thing. It's going to stay open source. That way, if I or another developer that decides to contribute get a mental breakdown the work is not lost forever.

The most important part of this being that it will work in conjunction with current EQEmulator clients so you have a choice of using any other EQEmulator client such as Titanium. With the way the networking code is set up (quite hackishly, i'll admit) you can communicate with an EQ Titanium client alongside an EQ Mac or EQ Trilogy client.

First things first, I'm going to write a DirectX7 DLL wrapper that causes the client to not go into fullscreen or convert the application into a fullscreen windowed application. Anyone who was in EQClassic's testing should know that it was one of their major issues - the client not functioning on modern hardware without tweaks being a close second.

I do not know why they were having problems with their network layer, though I suspect it was related to their rewrite of the dinosaur that was EQEmu 0.2.3's Networking. The exact issue? Couldn't tell ya because I don't have the source.

The current client that the source works with is the EQMac client. I am planning to move to the Trilogy client as soon as I can get it out of Fullscreen.

I remember you were looking for a version of EQWindows to do that. Could you just roll your own with C#?

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/758494/how-can-i-run-another-application-within-a-panel-of-my-c-sharp-program/758772#758772

[a_gnoll_pup]

I remember you were looking for a version of EQWindows to do that. Could you just roll your own with C#?

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/758494/how-can-i-run-another-application-within-a-panel-of-my-c-sharp-program/758772#758772

I've yet to try this but it came up in a Google search as an idea. Encapsulating the parent window *may* work but I dunno how DX7 handles modern windows so that's what I am researching now. Doesn't hurt to try, however.

[Stinkum]

Yeah, fuck it, I am going to work on the trilogy client again.

https://github.com/SecretsOTheP/ is where I will be working on finishing a 'classic client' emulator if anyone is interested in continuing the whole 'lol look at the classic UI' thing. It's going to stay open source. That way, if I or another developer that decides to contribute get a mental breakdown the work is not lost forever.

The most important part of this being that it will work in conjunction with current EQEmulator clients so you have a choice of using any other EQEmulator client such as Titanium. With the way the networking code is set up (quite hackishly, i'll admit) you can communicate with an EQ Titanium client alongside an EQ Mac or EQ Trilogy client.

First things first, I'm going to write a DirectX7 DLL wrapper that causes the client to not go into fullscreen or convert the application into a fullscreen windowed application. Anyone who was in EQClassic's testing should know that it was one of their major issues - the client not functioning on modern hardware without tweaks being a close second.

I do not know why they were having problems with their network layer, though I suspect it was related to their rewrite of the dinosaur that was EQEmu 0.2.3's Networking. The exact issue? Couldn't tell ya because I don't have the source.

The current client that the source works with is the EQMac client. I am planning to move to the Trilogy client as soon as I can get it out of Fullscreen.

I barely have any idea what this means, but it gave me a boner.

[a_gnoll_pup]

Naez, this is the smartest idea I have ever seen you put out.

http://puu.sh/4SRsv.jpg

[r00t]

a million monkeys on typewriters kind of deal

[Ishukone]

Legit if classic UI starts working I may play EQ again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ziGpn42Z8

[Lowlife]

YL speaks..

I am not leaving because some socially-bankrupt nobodies were spewing off written diarrhea; I have been tolerating this for years--give me a break. I am leaving because their tidal wave of shit reminded me of the majority makeup of this community (those mostly residing outside of the few dedicated followers left on this forum).

I have stated a number of times that I am not interested in playing this game ever again. The only reason I considered making a server is because there was an expectation for one, but clearly it is either classic content or bust. I do not possess the rights to host a classic content server, the feedback for a custom server was poor and there is absolutely nothing of educational value remaining in the source.

Returning to this after a six-month break is just impossible for me to get excited about now. Why is this so difficult to understand?

[Jokesteve]

YL speaks..

I am not leaving because some socially-bankrupt nobodies were spewing off written diarrhea; I have been tolerating this for years--give me a break. I am leaving because their tidal wave of shit reminded me of the majority makeup of this community (those mostly residing outside of the few dedicated followers left on this forum).

I have stated a number of times that I am not interested in playing this game ever again. The only reason I considered making a server is because there was an expectation for one, but clearly it is either classic content or bust. I do not possess the rights to host a classic content server, the feedback for a custom server was poor and there is absolutely nothing of educational value remaining in the source.

Returning to this after a six-month break is just impossible for me to get excited about now. Why is this so difficult to understand?

There he goes again with the whole 'I do not possess the rights to host a classic content server' This guy KNEW from the get go he would NEVER get sonys good graces, its more about the last line of this statement:


Returning to this after a six-month break is just impossible for me to get excited about now. Why is this so difficult to understand?

He should of just been honest and left it at that, trying to blame people for negative feedback is so lulz worthy

[spoils]

IF yeahlight really...truly...irrevocably(sp sorry) gives 0 fucks...he should release his work for free.

if not, then he's a fucking retard.

There is no option...either he'll end up living out the rest of his reputation as a douchbag bitch or could end up a hero for crowdsourcing the completion of what he started...

it's up to him.
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.
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but something tells he's a gigantic faggot

[Lowlife]

IF yeahlight really...truly...irrevocably(sp sorry) gives 0 fucks...he should release his work for free. but something tells he's a gigantic faggot

That is exactly what he said he would do in the event that he would walk away from the project. To quote YL himself

"If Harakiri and I both decide to walk away from the project, our work would most likely be made available. If we do decide to create our own server, I doubt we would release the work."

But because he's a widdle ball of hurt covered in babytears, hes going to take his ball home I guess.

[Champion_Standing]

The guy set himself up a contingency plan, if he reversed his stance and made his own server nobody would complain. But he probably knew all along that he would never finish it and wanted to fall back on that "well I said i would only do it if SOE was involved" which anyone with a functioning brain knew would not happen.

[Lowlife]

Now hes digging at p99.

Harakiri still has access to the source and I believe he plans to continue working with it. If he ever decides to stop working on this project, we will then discuss what to do with the source, but please understand that the last thing we want is for someone to take our unfinished work and launch a half-assed server with the intention of defrauding a player base with RMT and donation schemes.

[Champion_Standing]

Now hes digging at p99.

Harakiri still has access to the source and I believe he plans to continue working with it. If he ever decides to stop working on this project, we will then discuss what to do with the source, but please understand that the last thing we want is for someone to take our unfinished work and launch a half-assed server with the intention of defrauding a player base with RMT and donation schemes.

I almost feel bad for all those suckers that spent these past years visiting his forum falling for that "true" classic experience bullshit. They could have been here having fun instead.

[spoils]

Now hes digging at p99.

Harakiri still has access to the source and I believe he plans to continue working with it. If he ever decides to stop working on this project, we will then discuss what to do with the source, but please understand that the last thing we want is for someone to take our unfinished work and launch a half-assed server with the intention of defrauding a player base with RMT and donation schemes.

what a fucking retard...if server GMs were gonna have RMT and donation schemes...it'd be a ghosttown...he must think people are really that retarded...

or are theyyyyyy....mmmm...

release the fucking code moran!

[Champion_Standing]

Worst day of my life knowing that the only EQ I'll ever have is p99 and that it is a steaming pile of undigested corn shelly shit. I have nothing left now. - backman_66


This made me lol

[Rogean]

Don't think hes talking about us, probably some of the other servers that do literally reward donations with items and other pay to win shit.

And if he's talking about us, putting his troll rumor mill bandwagoning aside, I wouldn't give a fuck about his code. Do not want.

[Freeport]

Yeah I worked on a cure for cancer for 5 years straight- Right when I almost had the cure I gave up. Makes perfect sense.

Release the shit. There are plenty of people who would "respect" YL if he released the code and a classic content came out. Hell---- Give it to Rogean and lets do this fucking shit right. Most people don't have the common knowledge of programming to do this or we would all fucking do it. Instead we are workers (in your community) helping you do other things so you can sit and program shit for our enjoyment.

Stop wasting peoples time and we won't be so critical of your idiot plan to program one of the best games in MMO history. Now I wonder why people are upset YL...think about it.

[Lowlife]

Some guy on their forums already said that, stating...

"Let's be honest, released server code would most likely just end up at P99 where they already have a pretty solid data base and player base. It would let purists have their skies and spell particles while still having a consolidated classic community."


To which YL responded

"You are assuming my database's schema has much in common with PEQ's, which it does not; mapping their data to my schema would be a nightmare. Harakiri also wrote his own LUA scripting engine, which is incompatible with EQEmu's PERL engine, thus all of PEQ's scripts are mostly useless. You are also assuming people want to actually play in the Trilogy client. Ask the testers how difficult it was to go back to this, especially those familiar with EQTitanium and beyond. Finally, you are assuming people would blindly replace their server code with ours. Regardless of superior mechanic implementations, we have not had years of play go through our work, thus it is ripe with exploitation possibilities."

[JackFlash]

Confirmed actual Vaporware.

[Lowlife]

lights out

[JackFlash]

When I first came across the project I was excited. It only took a few mins of browsing the forums to figure out that yeahlight was full of shit.

[Gadwen]

Sucks for the people who were really waiting for this, I really never understood what this guy was doing that was going to be so much greater than what has been done here. Using the classic client would be the big difference I suppose. Not really surprised to see this particular project end the way it did though, the posts I read from Yeahlight over the years always left me thinking that he didn't really have any motivation to finish it.

[Laugher]

Really liking the idea of possibility of Trilogy client one day, started in (I guess) LDoN/LoY era (thought it was planes, but after trying mac I realize I'm even less classic than I thought, almost always had maps in my experience) not sure how one would go about using the block ui on a non-square screen but (I would hope) it could at least be resized to be used as a square in higher resolutions.

Keep up the good work! :D (if thats what you fancy atm)

:D

[a_gnoll_pup]

Some guy on their forums already said that, stating...

"Let's be honest, released server code would most likely just end up at P99 where they already have a pretty solid data base and player base. It would let purists have their skies and spell particles while still having a consolidated classic community."


To which YL responded

"You are assuming my database's schema has much in common with PEQ's, which it does not; mapping their data to my schema would be a nightmare. Harakiri also wrote his own LUA scripting engine, which is incompatible with EQEmu's PERL engine, thus all of PEQ's scripts are mostly useless. You are also assuming people want to actually play in the Trilogy client. Ask the testers how difficult it was to go back to this, especially those familiar with EQTitanium and beyond. Finally, you are assuming people would blindly replace their server code with ours. Regardless of superior mechanic implementations, we have not had years of play go through our work, thus it is ripe with exploitation possibilities."

I guess Yeahlight hasn't heard of Navicat; back when I was working with it it was fucking trivial to port the schema over. Probably even more easier now that Akkadius made this tool: http://eoc.akkadius.com/AllaClone/eoc/login.php

I bet if I connect the local copy of the EQC DB that was essentially an ax_classic clone (trust me, nothing has changed drastically DB-wise judging from his changelog) that it would work with EOC.

Harakiri also wrote his own LUA scripting engine, which is incompatible with EQEmu's PERL engine, thus all of PEQ's scripts are mostly useless.

EQEmulator has a LUA engine. We also have unified Perl & LUA Support. Adding in his quest system with a different extension for the file would be easy.

I am floored at how much they use their own arrogance to this day to put down EQEmulator's work and others in general. It is trivial to do what they have done if you just load up EQMac's client and have a copy of IDA and a lot of spare time; It disassembles with debugging symbols for crying out loud.

The argument that they are ahead of EQEmulator and P99 is moot. As Rogean said, their source probably wouldn't have much value to P99 anyways. Rogean and his team have reverse engineered most of Titanium to the same calibur that they have reverse engineered the Trilogy client, if not more due to the client hooks.

Finally, you are assuming people would blindly replace their server code with ours. Regardless of superior mechanic implementations, we have not had years of play go through our work, thus it is ripe with exploitation possibilities.
He's right here; no one would use the server code. If anything, missing systems can be reverse engineered by taking a look at the Trilogy client in your favorite ASM viewer, then you can look to see if it exists in EQMac or Titanium and work with it from there. Though that is a really stupid idea; if you want to find a system that functions it's probably better to look at it through Titanium.

The only reason their code base is even semi-valuable to EQEmulator is if we used it as a reference, it would be helpful. I doubt anyone would blindly run their source code, much as you would not blindly run an application on your computer. They are right there. It would simply be historical.

[radditsu]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9DmcxIZ_fA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dv9DmcxIZ_fA

[Winobot]

Gotta give the guy props - he put a lot of work into this project. Those slamming him don't know shit, but hey, that's ok. Even though I've played enough EQ for a lifetime, I think it's cool that people still want to keep the legacy going.

[Skywarp]

Is it Velious yet? Wonder how long it would take to get going?

[JackFlash]

Gotta give the guy props - he put a lot of work into this project. Those slamming him don't know shit, but hey, that's ok. Even though I've played enough EQ for a lifetime, I think it's cool that people still want to keep the legacy going.

You can give him props but he still apparently tried to develop something he would never be able to bring to light. Sony would never have given him the green light.

Props for wasting 4 years of your life and stringing everyone along.

[Lowlife]

You can give him props but he still apparently tried to develop something he would never be able to bring to light. Sony would never have given him the green light.

Props for wasting 4 years of your life and stringing everyone along.

Didn't see the Alpha footage, did you?

[fishingme]

Didn't see the Alpha footage, did you?

most people who play on p99 are stupid.

[Pico]

im all for equal rights of autists but this guy was nevver going to be able to handle the 'stresses' of commanding a n eqemu server

[JackFlash]

Didn't see the Alpha footage, did you?

Alpha doesn't mean it saw the light of day if that's what you're trying to say. He just reeked of douche and seemed like he thought he was the only one that would could do it correctly. Big surprise he burned out.....

Poor troll attempt fishing. Step it up.

[fishingme]

Alpha doesn't mean it saw the light of day if that's what you're trying to say. He just reeked of douche and seemed like he thought he was the only one that would could do it correctly. Big surprise he burned out.....

Poor troll attempt fishing. Step it up.

Was not a troll comment. Most people who play here are stupid. But really though, who the hell cares if yeahlight burned out working on EQC. It's not yours, you don't own it. Nut the fuck up, the guy tried to bring eqclassic back before P99 was even an idea.

[Lazie]

Was not a troll comment. Most people who play here are stupid. But really though, who the hell cares if yeahlight burned out working on EQC. It's not yours, you don't own it. Nut the fuck up, the guy tried to bring eqclassic back before P99 was even an idea.

And his results are ? Oh... Right.. Nothing.

[Carl]

Still getting a kick out of this thread.

[Noselacri]

Was not a troll comment. Most people who play here are stupid. But really though, who the hell cares if yeahlight burned out working on EQC. It's not yours, you don't own it. Nut the fuck up, the guy tried to bring eqclassic back before P99 was even an idea.

That's like saying I deserve credit for curing cancer because I've decided to find the cure for cancer. I have no clue how and I'll certainly never actually manage to do it, but I've made the altruistic decision to want to do it. I could even study biology and chemistry for four years and probably make something vaguely resembling the very first stages of a potential cure, but if I never get any further than that, I haven't done shit and don't deserve any fucking praise.

[Treats]

Vaporwarz!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UGdDEWDd00

[Lowlife]

Ownership of everything EQClassic related has been transferred to Harakiri. From this point forward, I cannot guarantee communication under my name as legitimate, but you may always verify messages, requests, etc. by sending me an e-mail at Yeahlight@gmail.com.

All private messages have been purged from the database. If you really need something from a past private message, feel free to contact me to recover it.

[fishingme]

That's like saying I deserve credit for curing cancer because I've decided to find the cure for cancer. I have no clue how and I'll certainly never actually manage to do it, but I've made the altruistic decision to want to do it. I could even study biology and chemistry for four years and probably make something vaguely resembling the very first stages of a potential cure, but if I never get any further than that, I haven't done shit and don't deserve any fucking praise.

Volunteer project as a hobby, not paid for by grants/no salary. You can't compare compare a cure for cancer to a hobby that deals with rebuilding a game. Go back to school.

And his results are ? Oh... Right.. Nothing.

Volunteer project. You didn't work on EQC, did you?

[JackFlash]

Fishingme confirmed stupid (p99 majority leader) and yeahlight fanboy.

[Lowlife]

Wonder why YL is nuking the PM database but will selectively restore PMs upon request?

[BillyCranston]

P99 bout to have a big ol' influx of new players hitting the server.

[gotrocks]

Wonder why YL is nuking the PM database but will selectively restore PMs upon request?
You dont understand how damage control works, huh?

[Lowlife]

You dont understand how damage control works, huh?

You don't understand rhetorical questions work, huh?

[a_gnoll_pup]

You don't understand rhetorical questions work, huh?

No, I do not.

[fishingme]

Fishingme confirmed stupid (p99 majority leader) and yeahlight fanboy.

Oh blow me you cheese puff. I'm not a fan of yeahlight at all, but going after someone who volunteered their time to try to bring back classic eq is not just stupid but childish.

[Hasbinbad]

You don't understand rhetorical questions work, huh?
i c wat u did ther
No, I do not.
LOL!!!

[JackFlash]

Oh blow me you cheese puff. I'm not a fan of yeahlight at all, but going after someone who volunteered their time to try to bring back classic eq is not just stupid but childish.

Pretty sure I wasn't "going after" him. Merely commenting in the RNF section of an elf forum. Remember you're the one "going after" most of p99 players stupid.

[Noselacri]

He's almost as bad as Kegz.

[Noselacri]

Volunteer project as a hobby, not paid for by grants/no salary. You can't compare compare a cure for cancer to a hobby that deals with rebuilding a game.

He got all the praise anyone deserves for starting a volunteer project during the five years when his sycophant community fellated him at every turn. Why does he deserve additional praise for quitting his project with a lie?


Go back to school.

I'm a lot more intelligent than you.

[SamwiseRed]

I'm a lot more intelligent than you.

prove it

[Hasbinbad]

prove it
apping for tmo?

[Noselacri]

prove it

My mom will confirm.

[fishingme]

Pretty sure I wasn't "going after" him. Merely commenting in the RNF section of an elf forum. Remember you're the one "going after" most of p99 players stupid.


Most of them are. You should reread your own posts.

[fishingme]

He got all the praise anyone deserves for starting a volunteer project during the five years when his sycophant community fellated him at every turn. Why does he deserve additional praise for quitting his project with a lie?




I'm a lot more intelligent than you.

I never said he deserves praise for stopping work on eqc. However he doesn't deserve to be treated like he shot your mom in the face with a few loads.

Lol, come at me woman.

[Beledric]

I am Beledric, the guy who posted the EQC alpha footage on youtube. Coincidentally I was also involved in some beta testing, mostly to do with database stuff when this server was still in that phase. Was here from day one when things were not quite near perfect yet, understandably.

I was hoping that EQC would come to fruition, but right now it doesn't look good. There is still a glimmer of hope with harakiri. He hasn't said anything at all on the announcement topics on the forums so who knows what's going on. If he calls it quits, then by YLs previous statements about if he and hara quit then he will release it, maybe that will open the door.

The Alpha testing was pretty fun for a while, then we came to a point where there was really no more else to report as far as bugs, or atleast what we could find.

Back to P99, I was here on day one when the server launched and I was pretty bummed by how awful alot of the people were to each other. I would of thought years of growing up and maturity would have made the community much more bearable, or even dare I say pleasant. I was wrong I am afraid. There were douche bags left and right, though not to say there weren't lots of awesome people to play with, but it is easy to tell the douchebaggery that was going on by the few spoke way louder than the pleasantness of the many.

I abandoned hope of this server and stayed on board of EQC, the community that always seemed much better in terms of how nice people were to each other. It was overwhelmingly positive.

The one thing that always keeps me away from this server is this forum. If this is a signifier of how people act towards each other in the game, then this is a very damning statement. I would propose that the main thing keeping people away are 1. the beginning stages of the game where there is no one to group with 2. I hear the raiding guilds absolutely hate each other with a passion (I have been told this guild TMO is perhaps the main offender) and 3. The fact that alot of people around here treat their fellow players like dog shit. I dunno how people could come off so insidious but holy shit it's true.

I've been getting the itch lately, but once again all I have to do is visit this forum and I'm set straight. You guys are your own worst enemy, well the assholes anyways. You vocal minority are the reason I usually ended my videos with "no cunts allowed".

[runlvlzero]

Dood, this is RnF. LOL. Shits not real. Its interwebs. People rarely do dumb things, but blue is... blue. Can't really speak for its community. It was cool when I played there. But it was way to crowded and boring. Not because the majority of players were dumb.

[Fawqueue]

Back to P99, I was here on day one when the server launched and I was pretty bummed by how awful alot of the people were to each other. I would of thought years of growing up and maturity would have made the community much more bearable, or even dare I say pleasant. I was wrong I am afraid. There were douche bags left and right, though not to say there weren't lots of awesome people to play with, but it is easy to tell the douchebaggery that was going on by the few spoke way louder than the pleasantness of the many.


You don't get out much, do you?

If you thought age was a measure of maturity, or that other adults would naturally treat you better 'just because', then you haven't been paying attention to the world around you and the history of human beings in-general.

[Champion_Standing]

You don't get out much, do you?

If you thought age was a measure of maturity, or that other adults would naturally treat you better 'just because', then you haven't been paying attention to the world around you and the history of human beings in-general.

We aren't talking about society at large here, we are talking about a thousand or so classic EQ players, normal people that share common interests typically like to create an environment where they can do it enjoyably. The case is not the same here, because half of those people only enjoy creating an unenjoyable environment for others.

You aren't likely to go to say a car show and find a group of guys that trashes the place and tells everyone else to fuck off. They want to create a good environment to take part in their hobby. The same can be said about pretty much any other group of enthusiasts, just not EQ players...they have a special kind of retardation that prevents them from acting like adults.

[Beledric]

You don't get out much, do you?

If you thought age was a measure of maturity, or that other adults would naturally treat you better 'just because', then you haven't been paying attention to the world around you and the history of human beings in-general.

You make my case for me sir. I make a well thought out, completely founded statement about the state of the community and you make a snide comment. You could just tell me why you think I'm wrong, but because I don't agree with what you think then obviously I'm an idiot. You sir, are the problem.

[Fawqueue]

We aren't talking about society at large here, we are talking about a thousand or so classic EQ players, normal people that share common interests typically like to create an environment where they can do it enjoyably. The case is not the same here, because half of those people only enjoy creating an unenjoyable environment for others.

You aren't likely to go to say a car show and find a group of guys that trashes the place and tells everyone else to fuck off. They want to create a good environment to take part in their hobby. The same can be said about pretty much any other group of enthusiasts, just not EQ players...they have a special kind of retardation that prevents them from acting like adults.

But, the same can't be said about any group of enthusiasts. Have you ever been to a major sporting event? You have thousands of people, incredibly passionate about their hobby and their team. Also some of the rudest, foul-mouthed, most obnoxious people you'll encounter who will in fact trash the place and tell you fuck off. Lets avoid looking for specific instances to make our cases though, because they are easy to pick out and really do little to address the issue I was bringing up.

We are talking about society at large here. Some people are less than ideal company no matter where you interact with them. To expect that somehow you wouldn't encounter those people here, on this server, is just naïve. Trust me, EQC would have had exactly the same types of players and problems. Because it's human nature, not because it's localized to project1999.

If the poster had instead done what many of us have by ignoring the filth and socializing with like-minded players, he wouldn't have had such a miserable experience.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

shut the fuck up, all of you

[Fawqueue]

You make my case for me sir. I make a well thought out, completely founded statement about the state of the community and you make a snide comment. You could just tell me why you think I'm wrong, but because I don't agree with what you think then obviously I'm an idiot. You sir, are the problem.

We can agree to disagree.

I don't think you're an idiot by any means, you're probably an intelligent and sensitive guy/gal. I just think you need to thicken up when faced with difficult people. I only pointed out that what you were complaining about exists everywhere. So to condemn this community and server because of it is pretty foolish.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

I am Beledric, no cunts allowed.

Beledric confirmed gay

[Beledric]

We can agree to disagree.

I don't think you're an idiot by any means, you're probably an intelligent and sensitive guy/gal. I just think you need to thicken up when faced with difficult people. I only pointed out that what you were complaining about exists everywhere. So to condemn this community and server because of it is pretty foolish.

Ok well then I am wrong. I do think I have about as thick skin as you can have. I can just go off of what I see though. And as you can clearly see the guy who apparently thinks I'm gay, as if that's an insult. So what is a newcomer to the community supposed to think? If I was a gm, moderator, or someone invested in the well being of the server I would most likely IP ban the people who caused such needless drama/griefing/stupidity. I would think most people would like to grow a nice pleasant community of players who can, for the most part, coexist without all the nonsense. The first thing people are usually subjected to is the nonsense that you see on the forum. That's not exactly a welcome mat.

[Pico]

I am Beledric, the guy who posted the EQC alpha footage on youtube. Coincidentally I was also involved in some beta testing, mostly to do with database stuff when this server was still in that phase. Was here from day one when things were not quite near perfect yet, understandably.

I was hoping that EQC would come to fruition, but right now it doesn't look good. There is still a glimmer of hope with harakiri. He hasn't said anything at all on the announcement topics on the forums so who knows what's going on. If he calls it quits, then by YLs previous statements about if he and hara quit then he will release it, maybe that will open the door.

The Alpha testing was pretty fun for a while, then we came to a point where there was really no more else to report as far as bugs, or atleast what we could find.

Back to P99, I was here on day one when the server launched and I was pretty bummed by how awful alot of the people were to each other. I would of thought years of growing up and maturity would have made the community much more bearable, or even dare I say pleasant. I was wrong I am afraid. There were douche bags left and right, though not to say there weren't lots of awesome people to play with, but it is easy to tell the douchebaggery that was going on by the few spoke way louder than the pleasantness of the many.

I abandoned hope of this server and stayed on board of EQC, the community that always seemed much better in terms of how nice people were to each other. It was overwhelmingly positive.

The one thing that always keeps me away from this server is this forum. If this is a signifier of how people act towards each other in the game, then this is a very damning statement. I would propose that the main thing keeping people away are 1. the beginning stages of the game where there is no one to group with 2. I hear the raiding guilds absolutely hate each other with a passion (I have been told this guild TMO is perhaps the main offender) and 3. The fact that alot of people around here treat their fellow players like dog shit. I dunno how people could come off so insidious but holy shit it's true.

I've been getting the itch lately, but once again all I have to do is visit this forum and I'm set straight. You guys are your own worst enemy, well the assholes anyways. You vocal minority are the reason I usually ended my videos with "no cunts allowed".

lol

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

And as you can clearly see the guy who apparently thinks I'm gay, as if that's an insult.

It is man. You puttin things up your butt, i done seen you

[Visual]

I abandoned hope of this server and stayed on board of EQC, the community that always seemed much better in terms of how nice people were to each other. It was overwhelmingly positive.


That's because your forums were heavily moderated and posts need to pass a vigorous screening process before they see the light of day.

[Champion_Standing]

But, the same can't be said about any group of enthusiasts. Have you ever been to a major sporting event? You have thousands of people, incredibly passionate about their hobby and their team. Also some of the rudest, foul-mouthed, most obnoxious people you'll encounter who will in fact trash the place and tell you fuck off. Lets avoid looking for specific instances to make our cases though, because they are easy to pick out and really do little to address the issue I was bringing up.

We are talking about society at large here. Some people are less than ideal company no matter where you interact with them. To expect that somehow you wouldn't encounter those people here, on this server, is just naïve. Trust me, EQC would have had exactly the same types of players and problems. Because it's human nature, not because it's localized to project1999.

If the poster had instead done what many of us have by ignoring the filth and socializing with like-minded players, he wouldn't have had such a miserable experience.

A major sporting event is just that, a major event. It's not a small group of people partaking in an unpopular hobby. It is not unreasonable to think that if i go to the model airplane club that the people will be polite, friendly and welcoming. It's not unreasonable to think the same about the local croquet association either. It shouldn't be unreasonable to think the same thing about a 15 year old game that has maybe a few thousand regular players.

Nobody expects that they will never meet a rude person, but the general attitude of people that have played here for longer than a couple months is a lot shittier than most people would expect. To tell people that they shouldn't expect any better is bullshit, and tells me that you are probably one of those people with a shitty disposition that causes this server to be populated by the same few hundred high end people with a low end population that is essentially a revolving door.

Eventually P99 is going to run out of those friendly and enthusiastic new players and just be stuck with nothing but the jaded, disgruntled, basement dwelling neckbeards that take their frustrations out on each other.

[Lowlife]

That's because your forums were heavily moderated and posts need to pass a vigorous screening process before they see the light of day.

Which is why one pseudo negative poster, like Ranger whatever, wrecked the entire boards.

[Pico]

how to be a mature personTM a guide by the league of everquest classic gentleman

1. make sure to whine about everquest and how mature you are compared to others


2. proper sentence structure and capitalization at all times when using the internet i cant stress this enough

3. bmi range of 'obese' or higher

[Danth]

If you don't raid at the upper end and don't worry much about the forums then the P1999 community is about average for most online games. The most irritating folks congregate at the top of the raid scene where they mostly interact with each other. Even there they're probably a minority, just a particularly loud and visible one. P99-Red receives special exception because flaring tempers and trash talk go hand-in-hand with PvP games. It comes with the territory.

Contrasting the P99 and EQC communities probably serves little purpose. Given the number of folks who participate in both communities, myself included, they're in effect one and the same. The EQC boards are better solely due to the high degree of active moderation.

One note: P99's average community, surprisingly, is rather young: mostly in the early-mid 20's. Lots of folks here were little kids when EQ was new. I was surprised to find myself a bit older than the average here. As such this community naturally doesn't exhibit the sort of conservative maturity that a forum populated by 50 and 60 year olds will.

Long story short, this is neither the best nor the worst community I've seen.

Danth

[JackFlash]

Thread delivers again! Keep up the QQ.

If you (Beledic) thought that EQC was going to be this magical land of tele-tubbies and bluebies holding classic hands you sir are naïve.

It would have been a magical land of exploits where yeahlight tears flowed from the sky like rain!

[Champion_Standing]

Thread delivers again! Keep up the QQ.

If you (Beledic) thought that EQC was going to be this magical land of tele-tubbies and bluebies holding classic hands you sir are naïve.

It would have been a magical land of exploits where yeahlight tears flowed from the sky like rain!

If he moderated his server the way the forums are moderated I really doubt it. The only tears flowing would be all the banned douches from P99 that tried to go over there.

[Beledric]

I guess I never realized just how well the moderators on the EQC forums did their job. Perhaps this forum could use some moderating. There seems to be some cold angry people on this forum. I am not a member of many forums so perhaps I am not aware this is how people talk to each other on the internet.

[Barkingturtle]

I guess I never realized just how well the moderators on the EQC forums did their job. Perhaps this forum could use some moderating. There seems to be some cold angry people on this forum. I am not a member of many forums so perhaps I am not aware this is how people talk to each other on the internet.

For God's sake shut the fuck up and die. I hope you give your baby AIDS next time you rape it.

Welcome to RnF, Dickbreath!

[Beledric]

For God's sake shut the fuck up and die. I hope you give your baby AIDS next time you rape it.

Welcome to RnF, Dickbreath!

so, having dick breathe is bad?

[Beledric]

so, having dick breath is bad?

[Barkingturtle]

Dickbreath is a term of endearment, obviously.

[Lyra]

If you (Beledic) thought that EQC was going to be this magical land of tele-tubbies and bluebies holding classic hands you sir are naïve.

This server is exactly as it should be and a complete reflection of those that run it.

[Danth]

I am not aware this is how people talk to each other on the internet.

I'd say it's about normal for parts of the 'net frequented by a primarily under-30 crowd. Quite a lot of stuff posted in this forum seems to originate elsewhere. I'm not a huge fan of some aspects of the P99 community, either (indeed I consider the underbelly of the community possibly the worst part of the server), but it's still no worse than average.

Maybe it's a generational disconnect. When I was a kid there was no internet, no cell phones, and no instant communication. I find it odd to ponder other folks on this board saying they were playing EQ when they were 12 or 13 years old. I was out with friends or chasing girls at that age. A lot of what passes as ordinary behavior for that "tech generation" annoys me--ranging from excessively crude language to broken cellphone-text-derived english--but all the same, I recognize that more as my problem rather than theirs. Given a chance most of the people on here who initially seem annoying are in fact perfectly decent folks. As I said before, stay out of the raid scene and it's a decent enough environment, certainly no worse than what you'll find in most other games nowdays.

Worst I've actually had happen to me on P99 was some guy who spammed a bunch of silly messages involving my name (and a few other players), and that was more funny than anything else.

Danth

[Hasbinbad]

I'd say it's about normal for parts of the 'net frequented by a primarily under-30 crowd. Quite a lot of stuff posted in this forum seems to originate elsewhere. I'm not a huge fan of some aspects of the P99 community, either (indeed I consider the underbelly of the community possibly the worst part of the server), but it's still no worse than average.

Maybe it's a generational disconnect. When I was a kid there was no internet, no cell phones, and no instant communication. I find it odd to ponder other folks on this board saying they were playing EQ when they were 12 or 13 years old. I was out with friends or chasing girls at that age. A lot of what passes as ordinary behavior for that "tech generation" annoys me--ranging from excessively crude language to broken cellphone-text-derived english--but all the same, I recognize that more as my problem rather than theirs. Given a chance most of the people on here who initially seem annoying are in fact perfectly decent folks. As I said before, stay out of the raid scene and it's a decent enough environment, certainly no worse than what you'll find in most other games nowdays.

Worst I've actually had happen to me on P99 was some guy who spammed a bunch of silly messages involving my name (and a few other players), and that was more funny than anything else.

Danth
A legend returns.

[runlvlzero]

Danth writes like he's a senior citizen who played Atari games at 20 and built his own computer company from scratch.

[Lyra]

I find it odd to ponder other folks on this board saying they were playing EQ when they were 12 or 13 years old.

I think this server is a study of the long term effects of Everquest (online gaming) on adolescents.

You just thought you were just playing Everquest. You're really the test subjects of someone's thesis.

[Mandalore93]

This server really isn't as bad as it's portrayed, coming from a fellow EQCer. Stick to certain zones and you'll not want for a group. You can do rarer zones though by forming your own group. EQC is dead, unless HK can attract more developers and retain them unlike YL.

[Danth]

Wasn't 20, but I did play Atari games. Pong before it, too. I'm not all that much older than the norm here, but I'm a bit conservative by temperament and the different social norms relative to what's normal for me sometimes makes me feel like an outsider looking in. Point being for Beledric is that if I can acclimate to it here (and indeed, get along fine with most of you folks in-game), he surely can.


Danth

[Fawqueue]

Worst I've actually had happen to me on P99 was some guy who spammed a bunch of silly messages involving my name (and a few other players), and that was more funny than anything else.


I'm still awaiting the next chapter in the saga of The Erudite with Gold Teeth and Red Shoes.

[Barkingturtle]

Wasn't 20, but I did play Atari games. Pong before it, too. I'm not all that much older than the norm here, but I'm a bit conservative by temperament and the different social norms relative to what's normal for me sometimes makes me feel like an outsider looking in. Point being for Beledric is that if I can acclimate to it here (and indeed, get along fine with most of you folks in-game), he surely can.


Danth

I don't think it's fair to characterize P99 by what gets posted here in the rants and flames forum. I mean, this forum is solely purposed toward cultivating cruelty and deriving humor from it. Sometimes this humor is called: lulz.

P99 in-game is a very different beast. It is mostly about tolerating long stretches of angst and boredom and learning what kind of sock has the greatest capacity for holding poop.

[Lyra]

I don't think it's fair to characterize P99 by what gets posted here in the rants and flames forum. I mean, this forum is solely purposed toward cultivating cruelty and deriving humor from it. Sometimes this humor is called: lulz.

P99 in-game is a very different beast. It is mostly about tolerating long stretches of angst and boredom and learning what kind of sock has the greatest capacity for holding poop.

Yes, because maturity is a switch you can turn off and on....

[Pico]

Yes, because maturity is a switch you can turn off and on....

tell me more, maturebot beep boop

[Barkingturtle]

Yes, because maturity is a switch you can turn off and on....

Maybe not maturity per se -- like pubic hair and breast development -- but mature behavior, sure.

Frankly, though, I wouldn't call my own exploits in-game nor on the forums particularly mature. I mean, at best I'm being socially acceptable in a video-game world, right? Real grown-up stuff, right there.

In any event, maturity is kinda subjective. I find the inability to read sarcasm or take a harmless ribbing extremely immature. I think folks who take themselves too seriously are under-evolved. I'm a man in my thirties who plays a video game for fun and posts on forums for the same reason. I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not here to prove anything to anyone. I'm here because I gain gratification from dick jokes.