Obamacare's Website Is Crashing Because It Doesn't Want You To Know How Costly Its Pl

[r00t]

They spent $634,000,000 on the piece of shit that an outsourced team could make overnight for $30, you really think its unintentional?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/14/obamacares-website-is-crashing-because-it-doesnt-want-you-to-know-health-plans-true-costs/

[Kagatob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmdU-9wOOgA

[JayN]

what a bummer so many sick people getting much needed help to get well, healthy and getting back to supporting the economy working.

Thanks chairman TMOBAMA

[Sidelle]

They spent $634,000,000 on the piece of shit that an outsourced team could make overnight for $30, you really think its unintentional?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/10/14/obamacares-website-is-crashing-because-it-doesnt-want-you-to-know-health-plans-true-costs/

Not even the tiniest bit surprised by anything in that article.

[Lune]

I sincerely hope you catch a mean case of penis cancer and your insurance company drops you.

[r00t]

A Manhattan Institute analysis [...] found that, on average, the cheapest plan offered in a given state, under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system.

[Freakish]

Seems to work for me. And I can actually understand what it says unlike a lot of government websites.

[r00t]

I haven't tried it, I am holding off doing that for as long as I can

[r00t]

these arent even the law, its additional bs, this is bureaucrats telling ME wutdo

http://www.cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/medium/images/Obamacare_stack_0.jpg

[hatelore]

what a bummer so many sick people getting much needed help to get well, healthy and getting back to supporting the economy working.

Thanks chairman TMOBAMA

Ultimate troll or.... U DUM~

[Hasbinbad]

A Manhattan Institute analysis [...] found that, on average, the cheapest plan offered in a given state, under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system.
what are the substantive differences between those plans?

just because they are both "the cheapest" does not mean they give equal benefits

i would need this information before i could form an opinion on your quote

[Recycled Children]

Don't ask how everyone can be insured, ask why healthcare is so expensive.

[DrKvothe]

Insurance providers can't drop your coverage after you get sick, and they can't discriminate against you if you sign up AFTER you get sick. Costs are going to go up, on average.

My issues with Obamacare are the failure to hit the heart of certain health care costs.

1) Medical device tax. This gets passed directly to the consumer, and thus through Obamacare increase everyone's insurance slightly. Medical device costs are disproportionate to the cost of developing these devices. We need more competition to reduce these costs to merely the cost of development plus a healthy payoff to investors.

2) Medicare bargaining. Some of the most expensive treatments are those that treat medicare patients disproportionately (never thought I'd use this word so often). Altering medicare's bargaining power to be more similar to the VA's system could reduce costs of medicine and thus insurance costs to everyone.

3) Research funding. Platforms for drug discovery have shifted over the last 50 years. Natural product research repeatedly rediscovers known compounds providing ever-diminishing rates of new drugs. Synthetic combinatorial libraries yield incredibly low hit rates coupled with frequent late-stage clinical trial failures, dramatically reducing the yield and increasing the cost of this discovery platform compared to the promise it showed decades ago. New platforms for drug discovery are required in order to adequately fill the drug pipeline and provide sufficient options so that anything resembling competition between similar drugs occur. Ever wonder why we pay 40+% more for a given drug than other civilized countries? Ever wonder how major drug companies continuously make 10-15% profits regardless of expenses? They set the price to make profits that seem reasonable based on their multi-billion dollar investments. The risk isn't real, since the prices are set to guarantee that profit margin. We need to increase our investment in the crazy new drug discovery platforms that are rampantly discussed in academia.

4) Tort reform. Doctors frequently over-test to insure they can't be sued. Doesn't matter if this is a state by state reform or national reform. Doctors shouldn't be required to waste our money to avoid being sued.

5) Minimum wage. The more young people sign up for Obamacare, the cheaper rates get for everyone. Tax penalties will be 1% next year, and will steadily increase to 2.5% iirc. If we increase minimum wage to the actual cost of living, more people will choose to pay for stupidly expensive insurance rather than pay a big tax for nothing. Numerous studies show that increasing the minimum wage has a net zero effect on the number of jobs and can easily be absorbed by the businesses paying minimum wage.

6) Employer mandate. The beauty of Obamacare is that it forces personal responsibility by taxing those who refuse to contribute by purchasing health insurance. The individual mandate makes sense, but the employer mandate does not. It gives companies that would have switched to part time employees an very convincing excuse. The federal government shouldn't set itself up to be anyone's scapegoat. Increasing the minimum wage should do what the employer mandate attempts to do, anyways. Imagine being reduced to 30 hours of work, being told Obamacare is to blame, and then being required to buy your own insurance with your substantially reduced wages. People won't be happy.

I'm really drunk, I hope all that made sense.

[Recycled Children]

It's in everyone's best interest who doesn't have medical insurance to not buy into Obamacare. Pay the fine every year and then when shit does south with your health just get medical insurance because you can't be denied.

[Estolcles]

This is one of those rare times I'm glad I'm disabled and already have full coverage insurance.

[DrKvothe]

It's in everyone's best interest who doesn't have medical insurance to not buy into Obamacare. Pay the fine every year and then when shit does south with your health just get medical insurance because you can't be denied.

Unfortunately there's some truth to this. As the penalties increase, the 2.5% tax for nothing should easily be outweighed by paying for health insurance in exchange for...having health insurance.

If you're caught without health insurance when you get sick, you can subsequently get health insurance at a more than fair rate. However, the price while you were uninsured won't be reimbursed to you, and those initial costs can be extremely burdening.

[r00t]

My boss goes berserk over how much Obamacare is going to fuck our company and I work, ironically (need hbb irony approval), for an insurance branch

[Recycled Children]

My boss goes berserk over how much Obamacare is going to fuck our company and I work, ironically (need hbb irony approval), for an insurance branch

Watch everybody get hit with part-time hours.

[Maddox]

Coverage for pre-existing conditions doesn't start until 1/1/2014.

Let's see how your premiums are once insurance companies have to cover previously un-insurable people. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is a statistics and math problem. Insurance companies can charge everyone dramatically more or go out of business.

This is the first real step towards fully nationalizing health insurance.

[Slug]

Coverage for pre-existing conditions doesn't start until 1/1/2014.

Let's see how your premiums are once insurance companies have to cover previously un-insurable people. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is a statistics and math problem. Insurance companies can charge everyone dramatically more or go out of business.

This is the first real step towards fully nationalizing health insurance.

Yes, because there is no medium between charging people dramatically more, and going out of business. Alternatively, insurance companies could maybe just make hundreds of millions instead of billions in profit.

This whole thing is lol anyway. Five years from now neckbeards and small businesses will be saying 'what ever did we do before Obamacare?!?'

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

r00t, I'll tell you what is really odd. most of your neighbors know you made this post. the guy at the convenience store? he has been watching more than most. There is a hair salon down the street from you. Only reason they are there is to be able to round-robin observe what you are freakin up to.

Me?

Hi, it's your mom. go to bed.

[radditsu]

The one thing I have learned from living on this earth and watching the news, reading papers, talking with people, and living life are:

1. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems.
2. Nothing is ever as good as it seems.
3. If someone says something in either extreme, they are usually not fully informed, or have something to gain monetarily in the matter. Aka most news media
4. Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
5. Most things are bullshit, if you think critically you can see seams in mostly anything.
6. Everybody Lies:
http://www.hansa-realty.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/97182_dr-house-.jpg

[Estolcles]

The one thing I have learned from living on this earth and watching the news, reading papers, talking with people, and living life are:

1. Nothing is ever as bad as it seems.
2. Nothing is ever as good as it seems.
3. If someone says something in either extreme, they are usually not fully informed, or have something to gain monetarily in the matter. Aka most news media
4. Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
5. Most things are bullshit, if you think critically you can see seams in mostly anything.
6. Everybody Lies:
http://www.hansa-realty.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/97182_dr-house-.jpg

House AND a "Princess Bride" reference.

You sir win all my internets.

[radditsu]

House AND a "Princess Bride" reference.

You sir win all my internets.

I am in a "Give the people what they want" mood tonight.

[r00t]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXUBP9ZCQAA0MCn.jpg

[Barkingturtle]

Every argument is lent an extra air of legitimacy when it's made by Willy Wonka.

[Kagatob]

Inaccurate meme.

The government didn't make the website. The shitty Canadian company they paid out the ass to outsource made the website.

[r00t]

the same Canada that allegedly has a better healthcare system than us?

[Kagatob]

STRAWMAN ARGUMENT
Go home kid.

[Sidelle]

Inaccurate meme.

The government didn't make the website. The shitty Canadian company they paid out the ass to outsource made the website.
I thought the point of outsourcing is to save money; it's supposed to be cheaper, isn't it? I still think it's their fault for hiring the shitty Canadian company. How embarrassing for Obama that the application process is such a big fail. Doesn't inspire much confidence for the future success of Obamacare.

[Kagatob]

I thought the point of outsourcing is to save money; it's supposed to be cheaper, isn't it? I still think it's their fault for hiring the shitty Canadian company. How embarrassing for Obama that the application process is such a big fail. Doesn't inspire much confidence for the future success of Obamacare.

Again you are equating to unrelated things to one another to try to prove a (non)point. You act like this is the first time the government fucked up when deciding on how to proceed with an IT job.

I forgot where I read it but something along the lines of 96% of all IT jobs the government has attempted over $10,000,000 have failed. This isn't new.

It also has nothing to do with how well the affordable healthcare act will fare in the long run. The website sucks, big deal, a ton of companies/organizations that are very successful have (or have had for a long while) shitty websites.

Private companies in bed with each other running the nation's health insurance doesn't work, this also isn't news. The affordable healthcare act is the first serious effort to try and fix that. If you know so much and can do so much better why don't you become the president and do a better job?

[Kagatob]

Two*

Fuck Swype. :mad:

[Daldolma]

y'all will be sorry when you get death paneled

[Sidelle]

Again you are equating to unrelated things to one another to try to prove a (non)point. You act like this is the first time the government fucked up when deciding on how to proceed with an IT job.

I forgot where I read it but something along the lines of 96% of all IT jobs the government has attempted over $10,000,000 have failed. This isn't new.

It also has nothing to do with how well the affordable healthcare act will fare in the long run. The website sucks, big deal, a ton of companies/organizations that are very successful have (or have had for a long while) shitty websites.

Private companies in bed with each other running the nation's health insurance doesn't work, this also isn't news. The affordable healthcare act is the first serious effort to try and fix that. If you know so much and can do so much better why don't you become the president and do a better job?
Hey, no need to get snippy! I just think with something this big they should have made sure it would work. I don't know shit about IT stuff, but that's beside the point. They're supposed to know what they're doing. That's all I gotta say about that.

As for the Affordable Care Act, which I believe is unconstitutional (no matter what the Supreme Court says), I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I know that healthcare in the past was fucked up but did we really have to go down this road into socialized health care? I just wonder what we're in for next.

Ok go ahead and get mad and talk shit about my post now in that condescending tone. I love it.

[Sidelle]

y'all will be sorry when you get death paneled

Hahaha! Exactly. =p

[Rellapse35]

Because stupid motherfuckers like you defend insurance companies, the real "death panels?" Why don't you stick to chasing pixels, and let the adults discuss this.

Bodeanicus adults don't post in rage on a elf fantasy emu forum daily. Sorry pal

[Rellapse35]

I irony is hilarious. Keep up the good work, sociopath.

Thanks gonna be the bigger adult here and not continue arguing with a moran. Have a good day pal.

[K|mm Barely]

what a bummer so many sick people getting much needed help to get well, healthy and getting back to supporting the economy working.

Thanks chairman TMOBAMA

[Kagatob]

Hey, no need to get snippy! I just think with something this big they should have made sure it would work. I don't know shit about IT stuff, but that's beside the point. They're supposed to know what they're doing. That's all I gotta say about that.

As for the Affordable Care Act, which I believe is unconstitutional (no matter what the Supreme Court says), I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I know that healthcare in the past was fucked up but did we really have to go down this road into socialized health care? I just wonder what we're in for next.

Ok go ahead and get mad and talk shit about my post now in that condescending tone. I love it.

Jesus Christ you're dumb. I'd pick apart your post but aside from the spelling and (most) punctuation, nothing is correct.

It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to repeat Faux News rhetoric without even understanding what it is that's being spewed out.

[Sidelle]

Jesus Christ you're dumb. I'd pick apart your post but aside from the spelling and (most) punctuation, nothing is correct.

It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to repeat Faux News rhetoric without even understanding what it is that's being spewed out.
That was my opinion, asshole. Now I'll let you go back to being a tubby, pretentious retard that likes fapping to anime. Carry on.

[Shannacore]

That was my opinion, asshole. Now I'll let you go back to being a tubby, pretentious retard that likes fapping to anime. Carry on.

lol ^

[Kagatob]

tubby

Leaked pix showed otherwise. Try harder next time honey.

[Sidelle]

Leaked pix showed otherwise. Try harder next time honey.
Sorry to break it to you but you definitely had the tubby thing going on in the pic. Maybe not super fat but you look soft and slightly jiggly. Have a nice day... honey.

[Kagatob]

Try harder next time honey.

[Sidelle]

Oh, I forgot to mention that I hear Spanx are very helpful. Might wanna get some or borrow your girlfriend's.

[radditsu]

Just fuck and get it over with already.

[radditsu]

Also you are a boy sidelle.

[Rellapse35]

lol had to google spanx

http://cbswzlx2.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/man-spanx-1.jpg?w=420

[r00t]

haha the makors of healthcare.gov were on capitol hill today testifying that obama personally sabotaged the site

[r00t]

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555530_3496796994735_827768600_n.jpg

[Kagatob]

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555530_3496796994735_827768600_n.jpg

This is not true, the law says that you need to be insured, not insured by the affordable care act. Stop posting idiotcrap.

[cyryllis]

A Manhattan Institute analysis [...] found that, on average, the cheapest plan offered in a given state, under Obamacare, will be 99 percent more expensive for men, and 62 percent more expensive for women, than the cheapest plan offered under the old system.


This quote fails to address the differences in out of pocket expenses / co-payment / deductibles associated with the different plans.

[Mandalore93]

While I'm not a supporter of the ACA and would rather have seen an overhauled Medicaid/Medicare program instead of the creation of basically a whole new set of bureaucracy it's too early to tell the long term practical effects of the ACA. Generally speaking rate shock is present in every industry when a new product or service is fielded and tends to go down in a half decade or so. Long term I think we'll see lower costs as companies drop down to grab market share and margins are cut down. Whether this effects quality negatively is to be seen.

[r00t]

deductibles go up too obamacare is corporate communism

[theaetatus]

It's a shame you can't ditch those Republican trolls and get a National Health Service like any civilised country.

[Rellapse35]

http://i.imgur.com/E247phj.gif

[Kagatob]

http://i.imgur.com/E247phj.gif

Vid was funny, lol @ the dumb white bitch yelling "stop" the whole time. Charges were dropped on the employee defending himself too. :D

[r00t]

It's a shame you can't ditch those Republican trolls and get a National Health Service like any civilised country.

if only the socialists would move the fuck to europe... civilised lol marxism responsible for virtually every state sponsored murder in the past century

[Kagatob]

^
Holocaust denial makes you a fairly shitty person I hear.

[r00t]

where the FUCK did I deny the holocaust??

you realize the nazis were NATIONAL SOCIALISTS

[Kagatob]

Yes I deny the holocaust.

Didn't realize facisim and communism were opposite sides of the spectrum.

That's ok. I forgive you.

Just stick to coding and owls and we'll be cool.

[r00t]

Did not mention anything about communism you fucking moran lol. Hitler believed in "true socialism", just not "Jewish marxism"

[Kagatob]

Your in TMO, aren't you.

[Rhuma7]

Hope Ventura gets to run in 2016 and even then, America has to make it to 2016 first, then at least a year before anything that changes has any impact.

Truth is, Obama care is setup to fail unless things are changed very quickly. The way the fines are and how easy it is to exploit the system with the way it is, makes for a very inefficient to say the least, health care system.

1% of 60k/year or $300/mo, what would you rather pay? Of course, most people dont even make half of that so the fines for not carrying health insurance will be less than a single month of coverage.

There was a good reason that insurance companies wouldn't cover people with pre-existing conditions, it screws up the whole pyramid scheme.

This ACA law will only last as long as it can, I firmly believe it wont survive another term in office, regardless of its political affiliation, it is just too forced, half of the shit in the law wasn't thought out at all in a worst case scenario.

I love the idea of America, I just hope one day we can salvage this sinking ship. There is really no better place to live and the people who make up this great nation are worth fighting for.

[Daldolma]

It's a shame you can't ditch those Republican trolls and get a National Health Service like any civilised country.

europe has fucked up government in p much every way conceivable so we are on a strictly do the opposite of europe plan

[Kagatob]

france has fucked up government in p much every way conceivable so we should be on on a strictly do the opposite of france plan

FTFY

[r00t]

Obama says health care website will 'get fixed ASAP'
NBCNews.com ‎- 1 hour ago



LOL how is this still a thing??

[Retti_]

Naw

[Recycled Children]

The Truth About Obamacare. Worth the 35 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9r93OxpE8g

[r00t]

The Truth About Obamacare. Worth the 35 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9r93OxpE8g

only watched first 5 mins and I like it already