Gov't Shutdown (HBB wru?) [Archive]

Lune

10-01-2013, 10:56 AM

"The American people don't want Obamacare and they don't want me to murder this kitten." House Speaker John Boehner and other Republican leaders said in a statement today. "We will do our job and send this bill over, and then it's up to the Senate to pass it and stop me from stabbing this kitten in the eye."

aowen

10-01-2013, 11:00 AM

I would like to see Boehner and Cruz hang

Hastley

10-01-2013, 11:28 AM

I would like to see Boehner and Cruz hang

Two of the last great patriots. I bet you voted for Obama and use welfare checks to buy your Jordan sneakers

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 11:29 AM

Two of the last great patriots. I bet you voted for Obama and use welfare checks to buy your Jordan sneakers

oh that pisses me off to no end, I was at dhs a few weeks ago for assistance because I can't work and have a ton of dr bills I cant afford, theres a guy in the waiting room talking about he just bought a pair of $75 shoes with his check. IN the fucking office.

America fuck yeah

aowen

10-01-2013, 11:49 AM

I don't consider using shutting down the government as leverage to attempt to force an agenda to get rid of a bill negotiated for and passed 3 years ago to be patriotic. Those 2 are just idiots, though I think the effects of their shenanigans will wind up be exaggerated in hindsight.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 12:05 PM

If obamacare is delayed even 1 year I will be satisfied .

Boggwin Bramblefoot

10-01-2013, 12:09 PM

I don't consider using shutting down the government as leverage to attempt to force an agenda to get rid of a bill negotiated for and passed 3 years ago to be patriotic.

Negotiated and passed behind closed doors without any input from the other party, and passed in a state that no one, including the bill's sponsors, could tell you what was in it or how it would be implemented.

Just sayin'.

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:10 PM

I would be satisfied if just one of them was strung up from a tree

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 12:12 PM

lol at people who still have hope for america

Hastley

10-01-2013, 12:17 PM

I would be satisfied if just one of them was strung up from a tree

If it was Harry Reid or nancy pelosi I bet you would be cheering them on

Lune

10-01-2013, 12:18 PM

lol at people who still have hope for america

This. I'm beginning to think we just kinda got lucky after Europe destroyed itself

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:20 PM

Negotiated and passed behind closed doors without any input from the other party, and passed in a state that no one, including the bill's sponsors, could tell you what was in it or how it would be implemented.

Just sayin'.

There was input from both sides, that's why there's no public option among other things. It was passed federally in both the Senate and House (though the bill had to be altered to meet the demands of Republicans, so not sure where you no input crap comes from), though several states have resolved to not allow medicaid expansion. It is pretty obvious how it is implemented, as it has already begun.

God damn, if I ever have kids I will send them to a K-12 FOX NEWS school. I'll never have that awkward moment when you feel like your kid is becoming smarter then you.

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:22 PM

If it was Harry Reid or nancy pelosi I bet you would be cheering them on

I would cheer on no one who shuts down government and defies a majority, whether or not I agree with their position or not. It's not worth the possibility of freezing our economy and destroying economic progress, or forcing nearly a million people to work for free, or accept pay at a later date in the form of back pay.

Boggwin Bramblefoot

10-01-2013, 12:29 PM

God damn, if I ever have kids I will send them to a K-12 FOX NEWS school. I'll never have that awkward moment when you feel like your kid is becoming smarter then you.

I have a feeling you would experience that moment regardless if they went to school or not. ;)

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:31 PM

I have a feeling you would experience that moment regardless if they went to school or not. ;)

I have a feeling if you sat down too fast at your computer you'd break your own neck. That seems to go for most of the people on here when it comes to political knowledge/comprehension.

Boggwin Bramblefoot

10-01-2013, 12:32 PM

Governing at its finest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 12:32 PM

God damn, if I ever have kids I will send them to a K-12 FOX NEWS school. I'll never have that awkward moment when you feel like your kid is becoming smarter then you.

no way im sending my kids to public school, if i have kids I personally think bringing a child into this world would be terrible for the world and for the child, its either all BS and the teachers don't care 1 shit about your kid or its full of religious jesus lies.

Boggwin Bramblefoot

10-01-2013, 12:38 PM

I have a feeling if you sat down too fast at your computer you'd break your own neck. That seems to go for most of the people on here when it comes to political knowledge/comprehension.

Haha. FYI I hold a Political Science Degree and work in policy and procedure for my state legislature. Granted it is not Washington, but I know several of the Congressmen and women for our Federal government (Most come from...drum roll please...the state legislatures) and have meet 3 presidents and worked under 3 Governors over 7 General Assemblies. What are you qualifications? Oh let me guess, you read MSNBC and CNN and parrot what you read on message boards.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 12:43 PM

I would cheer on no one who shuts down government and defies a majority, whether or not I agree with their position or not. It's not worth the possibility of freezing our economy and destroying economic progress, or forcing nearly a million people to work for free, or accept pay at a later date in the form of back pay.

If this is true perhaps you are not the liberal scum you purport yourself to be . Rather (and this is infinitely better) naive to the realities of the political world

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:43 PM

Haha. FYI I hold a Political Science Degree and work in policy and procedure for my state legislature. Granted it is not Washington, but I know several of the Congressmen and women for our Federal government (Most come from...drum roll please...the state legislatures) and have meet 3 presidents and worked under 3 Governors over 7 General Assemblies. What are you qualifications? Oh let me guess, you read MSNBC and CNN and parrot what you read on message boards.

Oh are we dropping credentials now? I have a Master's in International Relations from the 19th ranked university in the world, with the 5th-16th highest ranked program for that degree (depending on who is doing the ranking). I have other postgraduate degrees but they have less direct relevance.

I am not going to state where I work/have worked specifically, but one was a large policy think tank, as well as having done consulting for investments in emerging markets.

Not that you have to have a degree at all to understand our political and healthcare systems.

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:45 PM

If this is true perhaps you are not the liberal scum you purport yourself to be . Rather (and this is infinitely better) naive to the realities of the political world

You just come off as dumb and as one of those conspiratorial anti-government loons. Go put your tricorner hat back on, and don't forget the teabags.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 12:45 PM

Hastley

10-01-2013, 12:47 PM

You just come off as dumb and as one of those conspiratorial anti-government loons. Go put your tricorner hat back on, and don't forget the teabags.

All you have offered in this thread is circular logic and ad hominem attacks. Are you capable of anything more? My money is on no.

aowen

10-01-2013, 12:50 PM

All you have offered in this thread is circular logic and ad hominem attacks. Are you capable of anything more? My money is on no.

I decided based on conversation had in other threads that trying to have legitimate debate in RnF is an exercise in futility. Bunch of ignorant dumb cunts on here for the most part, so I indulge in ad hominem attacks when bored, which is really what RnF is all about anyways.

Boggwin Bramblefoot

10-01-2013, 12:53 PM

Did you really just brag about having a social science degree? I mean cool story but liberal arts degrees are hardly brag worthy . Let me guess do you also have a English literature degree from brown?

I am not bragging; I was informing the OP that not everyone was ignorant when it comes to Politics. And feel free to bash Liberal Arts Degrees all you want. It has afforded me many luxuries in life both professionally and financially that many people will never get to experience.

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 12:55 PM

I decided based on conversation had in other threads that trying to have legitimate debate in RnF is an exercise in futility. Bunch of ignorant dumb cunts on here for the most part, so I indulge in ad hominem attacks when bored, which is really what RnF is all about anyways.

Truth. Not to mention you can't trust a single one of these fools.

So many young doctors and young lawyers here!

Orruar

10-01-2013, 12:58 PM

Oh are we dropping credentials now? I have a Master's in International Relations from the 19th ranked university in the world, with the 5th-16th highest ranked program for that degree (depending on who is doing the ranking). I have other postgraduate degrees but they have less direct relevance.

I am not going to state where I work/have worked specifically, but one was a large policy think tank, as well as having done consulting for investments in emerging markets.

Not that you have to have a degree at all to understand our political and healthcare systems.

If you really want to drop some credentials, you should point out how you have such an amazing education and yet didn't know such simple facts like LBJ starting a set of programs referred to as the War on Poverty.

The fact that you have all these credentials is actually rather embarrassing, given the level of ignorance you have displayed in the past month or so.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 12:59 PM

Truth. Not to mention you can't trust a single one of these fools.

So many young doctors and young lawyers here!

Young astronaut reporting in

citizen1080

10-01-2013, 12:59 PM

I am a prince in Nigeria. And you are my long lost grandson. Let me send you some money. What's your bank account?

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 01:01 PM

Young astronaut reporting in

Me too! i already bought my lottery ticket for the trip to mars in 2022 or whenever.

aowen

10-01-2013, 01:01 PM

If you really want to drop some credentials, you should point out how you have such an amazing education and yet didn't know such simple facts like LBJ starting a set of programs referred to as the War on Poverty.

The fact that you have all these credentials is actually rather embarrassing, given the level of ignorance you have displayed in the past month or so.

You're a fucking idiot, all I have to say in response to this post, and the majority of your other posts.

Hasbinbad

10-01-2013, 01:01 PM

Why is my name in this statist thread?

Statists throwing poop at statists. Meanwhile poor people suffer more.

This is standard life in america, and i see no reason to discuss this policy any more than any other policy.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 01:07 PM

You're a fucking idiot, all I have to say in response to this post, and the majority of your other posts.

As much as I abhor many of orruars posts, he's in a completely different stratosphere than you intellectually. Obviously you (aowen) being the retarded one. Your capacity for intellectual discussion puts you on hasbinfat level and that's not a good thig. The guy just uses buzzwords and posts liberal drivel. Couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag

aowen

10-01-2013, 01:09 PM

As much as I abhor many of orruars posts, he's in a completely different stratosphere than you intellectually. Obviously you (aowen) being the retarded one. Your capacity for intellectual discussion puts you on hasbinfat level and that's not a good thig. The guy just uses buzzwords and posts liberal drivel. Couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag

Your cheerleading about the marvels of Orruar's intellectual capacity is just background noise to a march of the lemmings.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 01:12 PM

Your cheerleading about the marvels of Orruar's intellectual capacity is just background noise to a march of the lemmings.

So what's the name of the #5-#16 school, lol

aowen

10-01-2013, 01:17 PM

So what's the name of the #5-#16 school, lol

I will say no more than it is one of the constituent colleges of the University of London.

citizen1080

10-01-2013, 01:34 PM

If you have any poo left, fling it now

Hastley

10-01-2013, 01:43 PM

I will say no more than it is one of the constituent colleges of the University of London.

Please go moron . Couldn't get into the Kennedy school of government I guess . What a wanker you are

aowen

10-01-2013, 01:53 PM

Please go moron . Couldn't get into the Kennedy school of government I guess . What a wanker you are

Heh heh =P. More like didn't wanna pay for Harvard. My student loans are already big enough. Plus Boston is cool and everything, but it's no London.

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 01:56 PM

The Truth About Obamacare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JEXMW9WSlg

Hastley

10-01-2013, 02:02 PM

Heh heh =P. More like didn't wanna pay for Harvard. My student loans are already big enough. Plus Boston is cool and everything, but it's no London.

London is a cesspool. One of the dirtiest nastiest places I have ever been. Not to mention the weather.

Lets be honest you couldn't get past a round 1 interview for
The Kennedy school .

Wanker

Stinkum

10-01-2013, 02:02 PM

As much as I abhor many of orruars posts, he's in a completely different stratosphere than you intellectually. Obviously you (aowen) being the retarded one. Your capacity for intellectual discussion puts you on hasbinfat level and that's not a good thig. The guy just uses buzzwords and posts liberal drivel. Couldn't debate his way out of a paper bag

I like how anyone who didn't like sports in High School and can give a half-assed summary of their policy positions in Everquest forum arguments automatically makes you an intellectual power-house now.

You think you're Martin nerds but you're actually Milhouse nerds who can paraphrase Wikipedia.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 02:06 PM

I like how anyone who didn't like sports in High School and can give a half-assed summary of their policy positions in Everquest forum arguments automatically makes you an intellectual power-house now.

You think you're Martin nerds but you're actually Milhouse nerds who can paraphrase Wikipedia.

Oh my sweet sweet boy. Did your mother breast feed you for too long or not long enough. How you loved suckling on her teat basking in the warm spring sun. The wind gently caressing her bare nipple as you gorged on her lady milk. After that ended that's when your opinion on any topic became irrelevant.

I am aware of orruars real life credentials. I don't argue policy. Please
Go moron

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 02:07 PM

I like how anyone who didn't like sports in High School and can give a half-assed summary of their policy positions in Everquest forum arguments automatically makes you an intellectual power-house now.

You think you're Martin nerds but you're actually Milhouse nerds who can paraphrase Wikipedia.

Cheers

Im not the brightest person in the world but I don't go to forums quoting other websites posting links and paraphrasing to make myself seem smarter.

if people really were that intelligent theyd probably realize how pointless these forums are and not post anything...

Hastley

10-01-2013, 02:13 PM

Cheers

Im not the brightest person in the world but I don't go to forums quoting other websites posting links and paraphrasing to make myself seem smarter.

if people really were that intelligent theyd probably realize how pointless these forums are and not post anything...

Aren't you the guy who continuall argued (after the not guilty verdict came in) that George Zimmerman was guilty? I think you also repeatedly claimed that stand your ground was the central of the case, which was also incorrect.

The point being is you espouse incorrect uninformed opinions all the time .

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 02:16 PM

Aren't you the guy who continuall argued (after the not guilty verdict came in) that George Zimmerman was guilty? I think you also repeatedly claimed that stand your ground was the central of the case, which was also incorrect.

The point being is you espouse incorrect uninformed opinions all the time .

Maybe? I don't remember its not that important to me.

the world may have been focused on zimmerman martin, and no i don't believe 1 thing martin said but theres no evidence. yes I believe this was the perfect opportunity to change stand your ground because this incident shows just how fucked up it is.

blahblah....blahblahblahblahblahjblahblahblah

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 02:19 PM

Cheers

Im not the brightest person in the world but I don't go to forums quoting other websites posting links and paraphrasing to make myself seem smarter.

if people really were that intelligent theyd probably realize how pointless these forums are and not post anything...

I guess you aren't terribly bright since you're trying negate the process of citing sources.

If dumb people could recognize they were dumb they wouldn't come into threads uselessly judging people as though they are somehow above the people they decidedly interact with.

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 02:22 PM

If dumb people could recognize they were dumb they wouldn't come into threads uselessly judging people as though they are somehow above the people they decidedly interact with.

This is hilarious.

aowen

10-01-2013, 02:22 PM

I wouldn't call a source on healthcare a youtube video prefaced with "I apologize about all the noise from the crows" with an expat espousing his opinions.

myriverse

10-01-2013, 02:23 PM

Negotiated and passed behind closed doors without any input from the other party, and passed in a state that no one, including the bill's sponsors, could tell you what was in it or how it would be implemented.

Just sayin'.
Just sayin lies, you mean. The "other party" twisted it to what it is today. Were you not paying attention?

Hastley

10-01-2013, 02:23 PM

Maybe? I don't remember its not that important to me.

the world may have been focused on zimmerman martin, and no i don't believe 1 thing martin said but theres no evidence. yes I believe this was the perfect opportunity to change stand your ground because this incident shows just how fucked up it is.

blahblah....blahblahblahblahblahjblahblahblah

Case had nothing to do with stand your ground . My god man

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 02:24 PM

Then why was it brought up every other news broadcast

aowen

10-01-2013, 02:25 PM

Just sayin lies, you mean. The "other party" twisted it to what it is today. Were you not paying attention?

It's ok, they don't understand that most people don't like Obamacare, and that some of its biggest faults are due to concessions to Republicans and conservative Democrats.

aowen

10-01-2013, 02:27 PM

That being said, repealing it will just bring us further away from where we should be, at universal healthcare. And if we're just going to toss around random youtube videos and call them credible information, I have one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 02:30 PM

I wouldn't call a source on healthcare a youtube video prefaced with "I apologize about all the noise from the crows" with an expat espousing his opinions.

Oh you mean Stefan Molyneux? Political philosopher, entrepreneur and historian. Yea, no you're right aowen. Tell us more about how socialism is so gee golly great.

Stinkum

10-01-2013, 02:40 PM

Oh my sweet sweet boy. Did your mother breast feed you for too long or not long enough. How you loved suckling on her teat basking in the warm spring sun. The wind gently caressing her bare nipple as you gorged on her lady milk. After that ended that's when your opinion on any topic became irrelevant.

I am aware of orruars real life credentials. I don't argue policy. Please
Go moron

This was just an unfunny and unnecessarily long way of saying "No, YOU'RE stupid."

aowen

10-01-2013, 02:42 PM

Oh you mean Stefan Molyneux? Political philosopher, entrepreneur and historian. Yea, no you're right aowen. Tell us more about how socialism is so gee golly great.

Oh, i forgot philosophers and historians can't have dissenting ideas and are all infallible. I guess that makes anything I post by Noam Chomsky 100% accurate.

Plus, I was merely basically stating podcasts and youtube should not be the primary source of information.

Socialist policies are not always bad. I don't know why it's such a dirty word. I also never said I was socialist, so I wouldn't be telling anyone about how it's so 'gee golly great'

Samoht

10-01-2013, 02:43 PM

Tell us more about how socialism is so gee golly great.

if you were more educated on the subject, you might find a strong connection between this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_coverage_by_country

and this

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/business/earth-institute-world-happiness-rankings/index.html

but you've proven that you're willing to interject your opinion in posts and attempt to pass them off as fact, so i'm glad to have proven you wrong. again.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 02:45 PM

Then why was it brought up every other news broadcast

Because its a controversial law that related to it and modern news media are a bunch of sensationalist assholes. That said a standard self defense strategy was used .

Hastley

10-01-2013, 02:46 PM

aowen

10-01-2013, 02:50 PM

I don't hate Noam, I have much respect for Noam. But just because he's a professor at MIT doesn't mean that he's automatically correct about everything he says, though I tend to agree with much of what he says.

Champion_Standing

10-01-2013, 02:56 PM

But if the government shuts down who will bomb the roads?!

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 02:59 PM

Oh, i forgot philosophers and historians can't have dissenting ideas and are all infallible. I guess that makes anything I post by Noam Chomsky 100% accurate.

Plus, I was merely basically stating podcasts and youtube should not be the primary source of information.

Socialist policies are not always bad. I don't know why it's such a dirty word. I also never said I was socialist, so I wouldn't be telling anyone about how it's so 'gee golly great'

I never said he was infallible. Putting words in my mouth already, aowen. I was just outlining his credentials since you were so easy to dismiss him because he filmed a video outside.

I'd agree with you wholeheartedly that podcasts and YouTube videos shouldn't be if sources aren't cited but the majority of his videos include the sources of information he gathers.

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 03:02 PM

if you were more educated on the subject, you might find a strong connection between this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_coverage_by_country

and this

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/business/earth-institute-world-happiness-rankings/index.html

but you've proven that you're willing to interject your opinion in posts and attempt to pass them off as fact, so i'm glad to have proven you wrong. again.

Whaaaaa-!? U.S. is number 17 (private healthcare) on that list and the UK is 22 (public healthcare.) Nice correlation there. Oh my god, how dumb are you?

aowen

10-01-2013, 03:07 PM

Whaaaaa-!? U.S. is number 17 (private healthcare) on that list and the UK is 22 (public healthcare.) Nice correlation there. Oh my god, how dumb are you?

Except for that all the countries before us also have public healthcare, not just the UK. Also, I'd reckon that happiness is based off more than just healthcare.

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 03:17 PM

Except for that all the countries before us also have public healthcare, not just the UK. Also, I'd reckon that happiness is based off more than just healthcare.

That's a slippery slope argument, a debate fallacy for you plebs, and nowhere in that article does it make the correlation between happiness and healthcare. If that were true than the UK would be at the near top and the US would be somewhere near the bottom. You'd reckon correctly, aowen.

Every social program the US government has ever enacted has been a tremendous failure (except the military industrial complex, we're real good at killing brown people) do you really want them fucking with your healthcare?

Samoht

10-01-2013, 03:34 PM

If that were true than the UK would be at the near top and the US would be somewhere near the bottom.

isn't it funny how you're focusing on one country from the list because it meets your conservative agenda? honestly, the UK has other problems (start with internet censorship), but it's still ranked relatively high despite them, so please quit pretending like one extreme is a representation of the whole.

ThisIs

10-01-2013, 03:36 PM

Two of the last great patriots. I bet you voted for Obama and use welfare checks to buy your Jordan sneakers

>last great patriot
>Boehner

http://wecai.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/group-of-women-laughing.jpg

Hasbinbad

10-01-2013, 03:49 PM

i voted for obama just to piss off rednecks.

one statist much the same as another, do not care.

r00t

10-01-2013, 03:50 PM

health care "reform" was almost as bad as wall street "reform" in that it didnt do jack SHIT

Samoht

10-01-2013, 03:51 PM

health care "reform" was almost as bad as wall street "reform" in that it didnt do jack SHIT

agreed!

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 03:57 PM

isn't it funny how you're focusing on one country from the list because it meets your conservative agenda? honestly, the UK has other problems (start with internet censorship), but it's still ranked relatively high despite them, so please quit pretending like one extreme is a representation of the whole.

Stop using bad debate tactics. I know you'd like to think you can act anyway you want in a debate and people will still take you seriously but there is a modus operandi in debate and discussion. It's called logic and critical thinking.

If you can't agree with that then I'll use your own logic against you. Most of the countries populations at the top of the list are also mostly white. So that means we need more white people so everyone can be happy. (Let me stop you here Samoht before you try to quote mine this to make me a racist.)

Samoht

10-01-2013, 04:03 PM

who the fuck is debating? i'm just correcting your poor reasoning skills. there's a huge difference.

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 04:28 PM

who the fuck is debating? i'm just correcting your poor reasoning skills. there's a huge difference.

Please don't make me define the word debate for you. I'm really trying to give you some benefit of the doubt about your intelligence level.

You've committed a logical fallacy. You haven't corrected anything. You attempted to say that these countries who have universal healthcare also happen to be some of the happiest countries in the world so because they have universal healthcare that's what's making them happy.

If that was the case then all countries with universal healthcare would be at the top but that's just not the case. I used your same line of logic against you to disprove your argument for healthcare and happiness. If that's not what you were trying to say then why did you link those two sites?

I know we've thrown a lot of insults at each other in the name of ForumQuest but now I'm really concerned you have no idea on how to engage in any manner of intellectual discussion. I also really am concerned you are mildly illiterate or that you're so blind by your delusions that you remain, here we go again, willfully ignorant to (willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one’s inner model of reality) anything anyone says to you.

Samoht

10-01-2013, 04:50 PM

You've committed a logical fallacy. You haven't corrected anything. You attempted to say that these countries who have universal healthcare also happen to be some of the happiest countries in the world so because they have universal healthcare that's what's making them happy.

no what i'm saying is that you're fucking retarded. i never said that the socialized health care is what makes the people happy.

there's no fallacy here, we have results that show a strong correlation (remember, kids: Correlation does not imply causation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation))

the happiest countries in the world also have socialized health care. there's no room for analysis, no room for debate. it's the truth.

i did find a fallacy committed by you, though.

you found one extreme where an example of an oppressive government that also has socialized health care, and since they're oppressive, the people aren't as happy.

but since the country in question is not one of the happiest countries anyway, their lower happiness ranking neither proves nor disproves my point.

schooled.

ThisIs

10-01-2013, 04:52 PM

no what i'm saying is that you're fucking retarded. i never said that the socialized health care is what makes the people happy.

there's no fallacy here, we have results that show a strong correlation (remember, kids: Correlation does not imply causation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation))

the happiest countries in the world also have socialized health care. there's no room for analysis, no room for debate. it's the truth.

i did find a fallacy committed by you, though.

you found one extreme where an example of an oppressive government that also has socialized health care, and since they're oppressive, the people aren't as happy.

but since the country in question is not one of the happiest countries anyway, their lower happiness ranking neither proves nor disproves my point.

schooled.

Do you ever stop constantly responding when you're already destroyed in an argument?

Hasbinbad

10-01-2013, 04:54 PM

i lol @ fallacy callouts.

this is not a formal debate, y'all.

Samoht

10-01-2013, 04:57 PM

Do you ever stop constantly responding when you're already destroyed in an argument?

are you for real? i just called out retarded children for arguing with me about things i didn't even say and proved where he's a fucking moron, but somehow i'm destroyed here?

ThisIs

10-01-2013, 04:59 PM

are you for real? i just called out retarded children for arguing with me about things i didn't even say and proved where he's a fucking moron, but somehow i'm destroyed here?

Your constant, immediate responses just show how lost you are in the arguments. I would just give up. You seem highly susceptible to trolls.

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 04:59 PM

i lol @ fallacy callouts.

this is not a formal debate, y'all.

Formal or not, logical fallacies still make people's points invalid.

Samoht

10-01-2013, 05:03 PM

Your constant, immediate responses just show how lost you are in the arguments. I would just give up. You seem highly susceptible to trolls.

and where in this did i get destroyed? oh yeah, nowhere. move along, asshole.

Formal or not, logical fallacies still make people's points invalid.

yeah, your entire wall of text was invalidated because you were dumb enough to confuse correlation and causation.

Stinkum

10-01-2013, 05:06 PM

Your constant, immediate responses just show how lost you are in the arguments. I would just give up. You seem highly susceptible to trolls.

He has a need to get the last word in every time (part of his obsessive personality).

It's actually a hallmark sign of autism in the DRM.

aowen

10-01-2013, 05:08 PM

Here is how I feel about this:

So basically, American government shut down, because they can't agree on spending virtual money they didn't have in the first place on a law that already exists. On top of that, they can't agree to allow spending more virtual money they don't have and if they don't agree, they will have to default and they won't have enough money (which, again, they won't actually have anyway) to pay back people, who are right now being paid by the Fed for the money they used to make the loans but didn't have in the first place.

America: The finest of democracies, well fuckin' done!

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 05:24 PM

Rhambuk

10-01-2013, 05:37 PM

Guaranteed this thread will still be going when I get home, my guess is about 18-21 pages in the next 5 hours.

Peace suckahs!

runlvlzero

10-01-2013, 05:56 PM

Aowen so smart.

Ahldagor

10-01-2013, 10:16 PM

Formal or not, logical fallacies still make people's points invalid.

the question of logic pertaining to what? logos is?

Sidelle

10-01-2013, 10:20 PM

But just because he's a professor at MIT doesn't mean that he's automatically correct about everything he says, though I tend to agree with much of what he says.

You make a good point here. I would like to expand on it by saying the same can be true for almost any professor at any college. People should never just swallow and believe everything they're told just because they "learned it at school". Always do your own research. History has a lot to offer on many subjects if people take the time to look it up.

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 10:32 PM

You make a good point here. I would like to expand on it by saying the same can be true for almost any professor at any college. People should never just swallow and believe everything they're told just because they "learned it at school". Always do your own research. History has a lot to offer on many subjects if people take the time to look it up.

I agree.

Lune

10-01-2013, 10:38 PM

One thing I find humorous... although republicans control the house, democrat candidates actually won 1.4 million more votes combined than republicans did in the 2012 congressional elections.

Literally the only reason republicans control any part of the government at the current time is because of crookedness (gerrymandering) and quirks in electoral demographics.

Hastley

10-01-2013, 11:11 PM

If you believe liberal propaganda corporations are the power players know. You'll find entry of republics heading up those

Recycled Children

10-01-2013, 11:15 PM

Why do people want to be ruled?

Lune

10-01-2013, 11:21 PM

If you believe liberal propaganda corporations are the power players know. You'll find entry of republics heading up those

confirmed illiterate

Hastley

10-01-2013, 11:29 PM

confirmed illiterate

iPhone pal .

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 12:07 AM

I approve of Recycled's new av and sig. December 10, 1993, Never forget.

Laugher

10-02-2013, 03:37 AM

Tl;dr

#murka

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 04:25 AM

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/articles/2013/10/02/news/doc524ae10a73df5343189888.txt

Wouldn't be a problem if the federal government stopped spending money on Darpa and the NSA and TSA.

And started spending money on the shit they are supposed to be spending it on.

Hands down this is a symptom of corrupt evil dynastic kleptocrats.

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 04:25 AM

Let the state governments deal with their own internal security and defense issues. (Militia? anyone)?

Fire the entire DoD pentagon staff and all the defense contractors.

Pay the damn park rangers, and FBI.

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 04:26 AM

Classic Empire RTS problems. They got taxes dragged all the way to the right and their military is tooo huge.

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 04:33 AM

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/01/04/2147239/us-military-signs-modernization-deal-with-microsoft

Dupple writes with news that Microsoft has signed an agreement with the U.S. Air Force, U.S. Army, and the Defense Information Systems Agency to modernize the software those organizations use. According to Microsoft, the deal will cover 75% of all Department of Defense personnel, and bring to them the latest versions of SharePoint, Office, and Windows. The deal awards Microsoft $617 million, which is after discounts to the software totaling in the tens of millions. Interestingly, DISA's senior procurement executive said, "[The agreement] recognizes the shift to mobility. Microsoft is committed to making sure that the technology within the agreement has a mobile-first focus, and we expect to begin to take advantage of Microsoft’s mobile offerings as part of our enterprise mobility ecosystem.

617 mil is a drop in the bucket. But trust me theres a shitstorm of rain going on there for bullshit crap like that.

We don't fucking need windows metro to kill people with. Tanks don't cost that fucking much. We should just buy cheap Russian ones.

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 04:40 AM

Also sharepont is fucking evil. No system admin will ever say it was any good.

Linux is fucking free and if your on a windows box you cant even tell thats what the servers are running your crap off of.

runlvlzero

10-02-2013, 04:41 AM

Fuck the retards in our government misappropriating our money for their petty Haliburton friends.

Ahldagor

10-03-2013, 02:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

runlvlzero

10-03-2013, 04:43 PM

Good song.

Vaildez

10-04-2013, 03:43 PM

Can we just please keep the government shut down?!

Daldolma

10-04-2013, 03:50 PM

lol @ noam chomsky

runlvlzero

10-04-2013, 04:52 PM

It's costing more to shut it down than to keep it open in security forces.

Hihohittler and AWAY!

Also a day or so ago they executed a 34 yr old unarmed woman in her vehicle for driving through the whitehouse gates. While her child was in the car.

Because 300 armed MIB are a bunch of fucking pussies. They couldnt have shot the tires out. Or destroyed the radiator and evacuated until they could have taken her down.

Your masters don't give a fuck about you or anyone. They have a license to kill whenever they want. And are surrounded by thugs.

A license you will never be able to afford.