We don't need our EQ spoon fed to us...

[Reapin]

It's Time

[senna]

Yea no. Lets not punish new players and old wanting to learn and become better at Everquest.

[Barkingturtle]

Wiki is not classic.

[Champion_Standing]

yeah there definitely wasn't any way to look up information about the game during Classic through Velious. Thank god we have the internet now.

[Estolcles]

There was always random sites you could check to figure out some quests and whatnot, but the item pricing tracker should take a dive. Kills that Flea Market feel to EC.

[senna]

Am I the only guy who had this by the shitter for reading?
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[Yaolin]

Everquestraids.con, eqprices.com, eqcastersrealm.com, allakhazam.com. and more were all websites that were used and available during Clasic through Velious. The wiki just combines all of the knowledge and is more accurate. There is no reason at all to leave the wiki down. Most people know where everything drops and how much everything goes for that costs 1kpp+. If the wiki were left down it would only be hurting those people new to P99 and those that did not play Classic through Velious, for the rest of us it just helps us sort through our own brains quicker.

~Yao

[Weekapaug]

Wiki is not classic.

Bullshit.

We had Allas back then, as well as EQ Atlas and EQ Maps, I think it was called, that was maps and item info. It just wasn't all in one place like the wiki, but it was all there. Now there is no accurate resource for this era so the wiki is needed.

[Weekapaug]

Yes, and Casters Realm. This is all just a thiny veiled guise for the EC "make an offer" douchebags.

[skipdog]

So hilarious that you guys think there were no 'outside the game' resources available in 1999. Yeah, the web existed then and we had allakhazam and various web forums.

OP, you seem to suggest all of these sweeping changes and for some of us, hearing these proposals from a level 20 seems so pointless. At least put in some time actually playing on the server and experiencing the game past 20 before you make all these suggestions and your suggestions may be better received.

[Jimjam]

Yes, and Casters Realm. This is all just a thiny veiled guise for the EC "make an offer" douchebags.

30pp!

[Rhambuk]

Am I the only guy who had this by the shitter for reading?
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I read

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4694529238895142&pid=15.1

The original eq guide cover to cover everyday in school, during study halls or on the busride home. Wish I still had it but it disintrigated

[Barkingturtle]

I had maps in a binder. I used a printer.

[Weekapaug]

I still have several....The original guide, the Kunark one, the "revised and expanded" Kunark one, the one from Luclin, PoP, and the Atlas.

Reminds me I still need to get ahold of the 10 year hardcover.

[White Ranger]

I had maps in a binder. I used a printer.

[Reapin]

My biggest beef is with the Item price tracker. it is totally unfair to sellers

What if one player got an item with his level 60 main with ease and another guy got an item after getting killed 3 or 4 times. Why should the later be forced to meet some arbitrary price set on some webpage? It does not reflect its true worth to the seller.

Nothing I hate more than seeing Auctions "WTB This and that for this much". Since when does the buyer determine the price?

And it will most likely bring down prices because then people will actually start considering the items benefit and stats instead of following the ridiculously inflated Wiki prices.

[Tecmos Deception]

Correct, we do not need our eq spoon fed to us. But no one is forcing anyone to do anything. So... derp?

[Weekapaug]

LOL K

[Swish]

I had the Kunark Prima Strategy Guide... full of shit, mostly. Too many inaccuracies.

[Lorraine]

Everquestraids.con, eqprices.com, eqcastersrealm.com, allakhazam.com. and more were all websites that were used and available during Clasic through Velious. The wiki just combines all of the knowledge and is more accurate.


Actually the wiki is notorious for having NPCs that aren't supposed to be in yet, or for giving wrong locs about them -- Or even giving misinformation in regards to quests.

Just because you can copy & paste, that suddenly doesn't make you "more accurate".

[Randy]

Nothing I hate more than seeing Auctions "WTB This and that for this much". Since when does the buyer determine the price?

Since always... nothing sells without a buyer.

[Deadmantis]

Well the P99wiki is more classic than ZAM (Alla) is, since that site is now overloaded with info from Live. So much has changed, I say leave the wiki up. At least it is relevant to what is on our server.

I have used that internet wayback machine thing to look up stuff on caster's realm or the old Alla site from back then, but it is too unreliable. Timing out or unable to get a response etc.

I also used to print out my own quest, spell and class info as well as maps and binder it up all nice. I think it was lost in a flood. :o

[Champion_Standing]

My biggest beef is with the Item price tracker. it is totally unfair to sellers

What if one player got an item with his level 60 main with ease and another guy got an item after getting killed 3 or 4 times. Why should the later be forced to meet some arbitrary price set on some webpage? It does not reflect its true worth to the seller.

Nothing I hate more than seeing Auctions "WTB This and that for this much". Since when does the buyer determine the price?

And it will most likely bring down prices because then people will actually start considering the items benefit and stats instead of following the ridiculously inflated Wiki prices.

Always, you can't sell it if nobody is willing to pay for it. Demand is a big part of the whole supply and demand thing.

[Vexenu]

I remember Reapin as the guy who was trying to sell a pair of Mithril Greaves for 6k awhile ago (about double the market price at the time). I think that explains his rage against the auction tracker. He doesn't seem to understand the difference between honest trading (buying low, selling high and pocketing the spread) and shamelessly trying to rip people off.

I did a bit of EC trading over the summer and turned 10k into 80k or so over a few weeks, mostly just by flipping highly liquid mid-range items and pocketing a few hundred pp at a time. I wouldn't claim to be an amazing trader, but I think it's a pretty good profit, and was enough to more than adequately gear up a couple alts. The point being that even with the auction tracker in place, it's still quite possible to make money trading in EC. It's just harder to be a scumbag and try to exploit peoples' ignorance of prices.

[Wiery]

EQLizer was actually a beast DB site, especially when paired with Caster's Realm. The Wiki is essentially those two sites combined, but cleaner imo. Part of the allure of EQ was always the community and sharing of information. I'm not sure why anyone would want to limit any information on the internet. Seems like commy move to me. Damn ruskies...

[Reapin]

I remember Reapin as the guy who was trying to sell a pair of Mithril Greaves for 6k awhile ago (about double the market price at the time). I think that explains his rage against the auction tracker. He doesn't seem to understand the difference between honest trading (buying low, selling high and pocketing the spread) and shamelessly trying to rip people off.

I did a bit of EC trading over the summer and turned 10k into 80k or so over a few weeks, mostly just by flipping highly liquid mid-range items and pocketing a few hundred pp at a time. I wouldn't claim to be an amazing trader, but I think it's a pretty good profit, and was enough to more than adequately gear up a couple alts. The point being that even with the auction tracker in place, it's still quite possible to make money trading in EC. It's just harder to be a scumbag and try to exploit peoples' ignorance of prices.


And I sold those greaves for 6k too. And it was not to some ignorant derp. It was to a high level player for his alt. Some people have so much plat that 6k to them is like 6pp to you and I. It is a matter of timing and finding the buyer you want for the items you have.

Being uncompromising and focused is what make you a successful trader.

the Wiki is evil because it injects false data into most transactions.

[Vexenu]

I hate to break it to you, but the only people who are regularly going to spend double the market price on an item are RMTers who just jumped into the game and know nothing about the economy. You may be able to sell an item at an inflated price to an impatient player who is legitimately rich once in a blue moon, but anyone who accumulates a lot of plat didn't do so by grossly overpaying for commonly traded gear.

This holds true in real life, as well. You will find that wealthy people (the ones who earned their fortunes, anyway) are typically the shrewdest negotiators and always trying to get the best deal.

And the wiki occasionally has erroneous price info, but I've found it to be quite accurate for the most part. If you can exploit RMTers and the rare impatient rich player into buying items at double market rate, good for you, but don't pretend that that is somehow making the economy better for the average player.

[cesar424]

Am I the only guy who had this by the shitter for reading?
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i still have it! somewhere in a box... lol been going thru boxes that past few days lookin for it.

[Wiery]

the Wiki is evil because it injects false data into most transactions.

So, you want the wiki removed in order to net you some additional plat? Got it. As long as we're at it, can we bring Apple down? I need to make some additional dollars on my next phone trade in.

[senna]

pretty sure hes trolling guys

[Estolcles]

The Wiki isn't the problem. The Wiki is great for helping with a lot of quests and identifying items.

The Price Tracker needs to go, though. That's the big problem.

[Dubs]

Wiki was awesome and its great for new players too! FREE WIKI!

[mreynert]

Wiki is not classic.

Neither were cellphone batphone lists. Those will absolutely not go away.

[Reapin]

Most of you are ignoring that the prices in the Wiki can be easily manipulated.

Wake up. The real crooks are the people setting the prices.

[Norathorr]

The wiki and price tracker are just symptomatic of player accumulated data just like in 1999. Auction tracker is just another variant of this. Sure it's harder to fleece people, but that's how a community works. The majority of people don't want to be fleeced and work on counter measures.

[Reapin]

Fleeced? Simply pay what the item is worth to you. Easy, then you are never fleeced.

[r00t]

oman eqprices.com I loved that site

[Estolcles]

Looks like a good thread got RNF'd.

[Bardalicious]

dont see everlore mentioned even once. bunch of nigs.

[Loli Pops]

If I were IRL Norrathian, you better believe I'd be carrying my Norrath Compendium on me at all times. This portable book would contain world maps and locations of fabled treasures throughout the world.

Should I stop using my iPhone IRL because I can consult maps and track targets? I think not. So no.

[Randy]

Why are people complaining about the Price Tracker? Do you people think the price is too high? or low? or what? Seriously, who blindly buys stuff? Tracker or not, if you're spending a significant amount you're probably gonna do your homework for comparable prices. And if you think its too expensive people who sit in the EC all day buy/selling are probably inflating the prices more than the tracker by controlling supply.

[Reapin]

Hello Nerds. plat is worthless unless you are RMTing. Not paying the absolute lowest price is not going to keep you from putting your kids through college. It won't make you lose your home. Get a grip on reality.

I pay what the item is worth to me. For example I bought 2 COS for 1k each and bought a CSS for 3.2 k. All in all I break out even in the end and get the things I want.

[JackFlash]

stupid thread is stupid...

Take a look at the overwhelming results. Nuff said.

[Brad_mo123]

There was always random sites you could check to figure out some quests and whatnot, but the item pricing tracker should take a dive. Kills that Flea Market feel to EC.

Pretty sure an RNF where people can bitch about the most stupid shit didn't exist either.

[Estolcles]

Pretty sure an RNF where people can bitch about the most stupid shit didn't exist either.

It probably did, but you had to hunt high and low for it.

[Estolcles]

Actually, there were message boards where you could just bitch and moan about random stupid shit. It just wasn't until the advent of the Chan sites (4chan, etc.) that stupid shit and trolling and assholery hit it's zenith.

[gotrocks]

Am I the only guy who had this by the shitter for reading?
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lol senna, i totally did this too

[JackFlash]

It's too bad those prima guides kind of sucked. I remember being super pumped to get the Kunark version. I was pissed when it basically turned out to be a glorified product manual.

I had more luck with the alla's / eqatlas binder :) It sucked not being able to tab out.

[Vexenu]

So basically Reapin wants to buy items for half the market rate and sell them for double the market rate, and is mad that the auction tracker is cockblocking him from accomplishing this noble goal every time.

Quality thread.

[citizen1080]

Another quality idea by Reapin. Retard of P99

[Loli Pops]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/51/Bill_Murray_you.jpg

[FoxxHound]

Am I the only guy who had this by the shitter for reading?
http://cb.pbsstatic.com/l/43/2843/9780761522843.jpg

Nope. I took 20 minute poops with that bad boy.
Guide was horrible, but I liked to pretend it was an Everquest Bible.

[ArumTP]

Yes, and Casters Realm. This is all just a thiny veiled guise for the EC "make an offer" douchebags.

This ^^ We had many websites to sift at back in the day. The wiki is just condensed.

[myriverse]

Anyone who says wiki isn't classic wasn't around in classic.

[Strifer]

Well in that case we should also get rid of these forums, as this website was not registered in 1999 so that shit isn't classic.

Also using Ventrilo and Skype during play for any reason game related will now flag your account for third-party programs similar to MQ. Shit isn't classic.

Batphoning will not be allowed unless it is done as a phone tree. Shit was sorta classic but you get the point.

Matter of fact, fuck it you better be using Windows 98 on a dial-up connection with a shitty resolution monitor with a computer that youll NEED to upgrade to be able to play Velious when it is released. That shit was classic.

[Tiggles]

Most of you are ignoring that the prices in the Wiki can be easily manipulated.

Wake up. The real crooks are the people setting the prices.

The Jewelves?


Also, I want an option to bring the wiki up and take all the information on it and split it up between 7-10 websites.

You know...classic.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Whats classic is your obesity and it never changing.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

If I were IRL Norrathian, you better believe I'd be carrying my Norrath Compendium on me at all times. This portable book would contain world maps and locations of fabled treasures throughout the world.

Should I stop using my iPhone IRL because I can consult maps and track targets? I think not. So no.

log on skype and say it to my face

[this user was banned]

Reapin would you kindly leave the fucking forums forever; we're all sick of you.

[Norathorr]

I have done fine in the tunnel. I out in an offer and if someone wants to make a quick sale I can get it cheap and sell for more. You gotta work within the system the commuinty decides on. Most people have an interest on the going rate of items. If its not a live price tracker it will be something else. I for one would never blind buy unless I was super rich I would advertise that im buying something for a very high rate as I know someone would probably sell items they are actually wearing if you offer enough. Your issue with price tracker is purely for the reason that you want to more easily make profit. Do you seriously expect in a game where there is currency that consumers will not want to create an environment where they can protect their own interests? Sure it is your right to sell at a high price, but it is also the communities right to seek price references.

[Strifer]

Solution to price tracker; list everything at about 30k.

[Reapin]

Reapin would you kindly leave the fucking forums forever; we're all sick of you.

Your wish is just a T-staff away....

[Era'viss]

Not sure why people complained about the price tracker.

Isn't it all sellers reporting the price they sold their items at? So if you sell your crap for extremely high prices successfully you can just report it yourself to help move the market in the direction of the price point you feel is more correct.

[Tecmos Deception]

That's not exactly what it is Era. I've never done that with wiki but it has me on the price tracker sometimes.

[Era'viss]

That's not exactly what it is Era. I've never done that with wiki but it has me on the price tracker sometimes.

Interesting.

I've never posted a price on there because I'm always on the buying end. Reading those charts only listed the sellers, so it lead me to believe they were the ones to report their figures. :confused:

[smooman]

As it has been said before:

-EqCastersrealm
-Allakhazam
-Eqatlas
-Eqtraders
-Random Raid guild forums
-Any altavista/yahoo free websites containing obscure EQ info

are all places that I went when I played back in 1999-2004. Saying that the wiki was 'not classic' really is a paper thin argument made by those who might just have an agenda (might, only God knows what's in our hearts).

All other old EQ reference sites are now polluted by stuff from luclin and further, making them almost worthless to use for someone looking for classic information. Personally I see the wiki as a blessing, and I thank Rahvin (sp) for the time he's taken to bring the wiki into being. It's a thankless job I'm sure, and he's a great guy for doing it!

[myriverse]

Am I the only guy who had this by the shitter for reading?
http://cb.pbsstatic.com/l/43/2843/9780761522843.jpg
Bought the Prima guide for the original, but then realized it was completely stupid to buy a paper manual for a MMO.

[Strifer]

Bought the Prima guide for the original, but then realized it was completely stupid to buy a paper manual for a MMO.

Made a great bathroom reader though, I passed a lot of feces while reading that strategy guide.