A fate all gun nuts deserve.

[Reapin]

AR-15 triggered fire that killed Tennessee father and son


Investigators have ruled out foul play as a factor in a bizarre fire that killed a Tennessee father and his 12-year-old son on Sunday.

Preliminary autopsy results released this week showed the pair, of Huron, died of carbon monoxide poisoning and thermal burning, authorities told CNN on Wednesday.

At issue was an accidental firearm discharge, which investigators said triggered the fire as well as the explosions that ensued, but it remains unclear what else contributed.

Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke said Terry York, 48, was showing his loaded AR-15 to a family friend in the back room of his wooden mobile home when it misfired and a small fire was ignited.

"It was a bizarre misfire that I hadn't seen for more than 20 years," Duke said.

The fire didn't start out as severe but soon triggered explosions "one right after another" in minutes, according to one neighbor's account made to CNN affiliate WBBJ. Henderson County Fire Chief Lynn Murphy said it took firefighters more than four hours to contain the fire. The entire back room was burned down while the rest of the house saw little damage.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/tennessee-father-son-fire/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Playing with a loaded semi-auto weapon in a room full of black powder. Darwin Award winner right there. Only a matter of before these slack jawed yokels are disarmed and hopefully sterilized.

[Daldolma]

will pray for these righteous patriots

[Bardalicious]

god bless these poor fallen freedom fighters

[Barkingturtle]

God hates fags.

[Strifer]

'Murrica

[r00t]

gun didn't "misfire", fired properly imo

[r00t]

but damn a Communist News Network article without calling it an assault weapon or demonizing guns in general? that's the real story here folks

[runlvlzero]

Telescreen has America divided. AR15 toy guns scaring the general public. Extraordinary stories being reported as the "norm" and why you should be afraid. Neighboors turning on neighboors. People without honor, integrity, respect. People without knowledge and duty and responsibility.

And personal power.

America, where art thou?

[Champion_Standing]

I laugh when anti-gun people talk about "disarming" gun owners.

With what? lulllz

[Reapin]

I laugh when anti-gun people talk about "disarming" gun owners.

With what? lulllz

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Apache_helicopter_in_flight.jpg/750px-Apache_helicopter_in_flight.jpg

[Champion_Standing]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f8/Apache_helicopter_in_flight.jpg/750px-Apache_helicopter_in_flight.jpg

Oh so with more guns?

lulllz

[r00t]

gotta land at some point

[Reapin]

Oh so with more guns?

lulllz

Actually I think if enough kids get shot the fever will break on the gun nut issue and people would turn them in.

Start off with stopping all gunpowder primer and casing sales to the public. Make it a terror crime to posses such items.

Have a buy back program for weapons and shell making equipment. Paying twice what the weapons are worth.

When that dwindles reward people for turning in gun owners with the potential of earning up to 1 million depending on the size of the seizure.

Indoctrinate children in public schools that weapons are bad and punish media outlets for glamorizing guns.

Then use Hellfires to finish off the inbred out in the boonies in their bunkers.

[r00t]

You'll never disarm America. Move to some communist shithole without guns that enslave their defenseless populations instead of trying to repeat history here

[JayN]

You'll never disarm America. Move to some communist shithole without guns that enslave their defenseless populations instead of trying to repeat history here

its hilarious you do not think you are ensalved; why because you have guns?

[Champion_Standing]

Actually I think if enough kids get shot the fever will break on the gun nut issue and people would turn them in.

Start off with stopping all gunpowder primer and casing sales to the public. Make it a terror crime to posses such items.

Have a buy back program for weapons and shell making equipment. Paying twice what the weapons are worth.

When that dwindles reward people for turning in gun owners with the potential of earning up to 1 million depending on the size of the seizure.

Indoctrinate children in public schools that weapons are bad and punish media outlets for glamorizing guns.

Then use Hellfires to finish off the inbred out in the boonies in their bunkers.

It is amazing that such a demented individual consumed by violent and hateful thoughts like yourself is so outraged by people owning guns.

[JayN]

TrEYVON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reapin]

It is amazing that such a demented individual consumed by violent and hateful thoughts like yourself is so outraged by people owning guns.

I am not violent at all. But I do believe in protecting society from the immortal vermin who pollute our gene pool.

[NegaStoat]

Actually I think if enough kids get shot the fever will break on the gun nut issue and people would turn them in.

I respect your opinion and of course would combat any draconic government that would prohibit you from saying as much. In the meantime, I'll hang onto my lawfully owned firearms as this country continues to sell itself out with the purchases of foreign manufactured goods. Eventually our economy will implode, and I'll be needing them.

Working towards generating real change and hope in America solves a huge root issue in why people want to own firearms, which eventually gets the same results you're after.

[Champion_Standing]

I am not violent at all. But I do believe in protecting society from the immortal vermin who pollute our gene pool.

Wishing death on and wanting to kill everyone who doesn't share your belief isn't a violent stance to take at all. You are just a peace lovin guy, tryin to make the world a better place.

[citizen1080]

What they didn't mention is the "explosions" one right after another were from his meth lab going up in smoke after the gun misfired into his lab. This is the south after all.

[Reapin]

Wishing death on and wanting to kill everyone who doesn't share your belief isn't a violent stance to take at all. You are just a peace lovin guy, tryin to make the world a better place.

I never said such a thing. I only listed killing the violent terrorist who refuse to disarm.

[Pringles]

If you don't like our Constitution, get out of our country. There is no asterisk on the second amendment.

No, I am not what most people would consider a "gun nut", but I do own many firearms (even some of the "scary" black ones!). I exercise my second amendment, just like you are exercising your first here. If you, and the other ignorant anti-gun folks, will relinquish your 1st amendment rights, I may consider relinquishing my 2nd.... but probably not.

[Champion_Standing]

I never said such a thing. I only listed killing the violent terrorist who refuse to disarm.

Confirmed psychopath.

[JayN]

here comes the mouth foaming; tell us how you really feel? I bet those pesky minorities are ruining murica' and you want your country back!

[Reapin]

immigrants are actually our hope for a better future. Many of them realize what it is like living in a society where people get shot in the streets on a daily basis. Most do not want their neighbor armed to the teeth.

[Reapin]

If you don't like our Constitution, get out of our country. There is no asterisk on the second amendment.

No, I am not what most people would consider a "gun nut", but I do own many firearms (even some of the "scary" black ones!). I exercise my second amendment, just like you are exercising your first here. If you, and the other ignorant anti-gun folks, will relinquish your 1st amendment rights, I may consider relinquishing my 2nd.... but probably not.

The constitution evolves. If it doesn't I want my slaves and women need to stop voting.

[JayN]

damn libtards and technocrats with their them thar logic, resonin and tech no lodgy; string em up!

stand yer grounds against these yanks, stars n bars sons

[this user was banned]

oh no, another idiot dies from a gun...

fuck you, I'm buying an AR-15 when bravocompany finishes their backlog and starts selling them again.

[r00t]

its hilarious you do not think you are ensalved; why because you have guns?

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment

[Reapin]

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment

Yes, this is before M1 tanks, Drones and the like. George Mason was an intelligent man. Go back in a time machine and bring him back here and he wouldn't be able to do your laundry.

[r00t]

If you think you and your musket can stop all the King's armies, horses, cannons, and navy vessels surely you would be insane.

During the Revolutionary War, only THREE percent of the people actually fought against Great Britain.

Only TEN percent of the citizens actively supported that three percent.

Approximately TWENTY percent considered themselves to be on the side of the Revolution, but they did not actively participate.

Towards the climatic end of the war, approximately THIRTY percent actually fought on the side of the British.

The rest of the citizens had no disposition either way. They didn’t care. They didn’t want anything to do with what they deemed to simply be a political issue.

Sounds familiar

[r00t]

Although I think guns are more for protection from criminals (Obama big city crime ring gangster government joke here)

[Reapin]

That was a matter of Tactics. When they come for you they will not be standing in a line for you to shoot them while you hide behind a tree. You will be vaporized by 50mm shells before you hear a sound.

[Reapin]

The only weapon we have is economic. But it will require sacrifice of our personal wealth. Not many people bloated whites are willing to make that sacrifice.

[JayN]

That was a matter of Tactics. When they come for you they will not be standing in a line for you to shoot them while you hide behind a tree. You will be vaporized by 50mm shells before you hear a sound.

You just dont understand do you! These under-educated, non-minority, gun-owning, hate-spewing, weekend-warrior patriots are going to save "US" AMERICA

[r00t]

Tactics may win the battle, strategy wins the wars. The US military is in solidarity with the majority of the American citizenship on the 2nd amendment issue. There will be no door to door collections, best case scenario for you liberal morans is a 20 year civil war. Obama has become the largest arms dealer on the planet (not just a Fast & Furious joke), but seriously his presidency shifted the debate from gun control to gun rights.

[Reapin]

Fewer people own guns than did 30 years ago. What we have is a small collection of paranoid freaks owning multiple fire arms.

You are deluded.

[r00t]

Says what, phone surveys? There's no national registry, praise Jesus

[r00t]

http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd419/wolfgun/obama-gun-salesman-of-the-year-firearms-salesman-of-the-century-sad-hill-news-1.jpg

[Pringles]

The constitution evolves. If it doesn't I want my slaves and women need to stop voting.

You are correct, that "evolution" is called Amendments to the Constitution. The one that pertains to firearms is the second.

Fewer people own guns than did 30 years ago. What we have is a small collection of paranoid freaks owning multiple fire arms.


Please state your source, because you are wrong.

[Pringles]

And the Amendment that pertains to women voting is the 19th. And the one that pertains to slave ownership is the 13th.

[r00t]

http://adsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/styles/media/public/pringles.png?itok=jh3mObpg

[Pringles]

^^^^

P.S. thanks for the new signature Reapin

[Reapin]

You are correct, that "evolution" is called Amendments to the Constitution. The one that pertains to firearms is the second.



Please state your source, because you are wrong.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/03/19/how-many-people-own-guns-in-america-and-is-gun-ownership-actually-declining/
Despite the high number of guns estimated to be in the U.S., indications are that gun ownership is actually on the decline. The long-running General Social Survey, maintained at the University of Chicago, has been asking about gun ownership since its inception in the 1970s. It has found that the number of people who say they have a gun in their home is at an all time low – hovering around 30 percent, from a high of 50 percent in the 1970s.


http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/03/10/gun-ownership-is-way-down-in-the-us/

http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/blog/morning_call/2013/03/gun-ownership-down-nationwide.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/03/10/Survey-US-gun-ownership-has-declined/UPI-75981362921583/

[Pringles]

Oh wait, what? Everything I read on the internet is cold hard fact? OK i'll play

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx


PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993, albeit marginally above the 44% and 45% highs seen during that period.

[r00t]

Population increases means fewer % own guns but overall the number is higher, which is the only statistic you cited (didn't read 20 links). Also weariness of the government and general paranoia may have increased. If you call me with that survey I'd probably just hang up on your ass, unless I was drunk I'd say we only shoot to kill here since warning shots are too expensive with liberals taxing my bullets.

[Reapin]

Oh wait, what? Everything I read on the internet is cold hard fact? OK i'll play

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

That was 1993, during the steady decline.

I included "The Blaze" a right wing nutjob site that hosts Glenn Beck just for balance (for you). Even they cannot deny the facts. Get over it. You lose!

[r00t]

Also Mexico invading the border for 50 years totally lowers the % since Latino is like the lowest gun ownership rate

[Pringles]

Agree with r00t, if some college kid (or younger), or anyone for that matter, asked me on the phone, street, mail, whatever, how many guns I owned, or if I owned any guns, guess what my reply would be? "No comment"

[Reapin]

Population increases means fewer % own guns but overall the number is higher, which is the only statistic you cited (didn't read 20 links). Also weariness of the government and general paranoia may have increased. If you call me with that survey I'd probably just hang up on your ass, unless I was drunk I'd say we only shoot to kill here since warning shots are too expensive with liberals taxing my bullets.

Paranoia and anti-government sentiment took off after the black dude entered the whites house.

[Pringles]

That was 1993, during the steady decline.

I included "The Blaze" a right wing nutjob site that hosts Glenn Beck just for balance (for you). Even they cannot deny the facts. Get over it. You lose!


I do find the reports interesting, but please stop spewing bullshit about the constitution ;) (which you clearly know nothing about)

[r00t]

Paranoia and anti-government sentiment took off after the black dude entered the whites house.

nah, there was the militia movement in the 90s after Clinton staged okc

[Reapin]

Bill of rights are part of the constitution dude. The constitution was never meant to be a holy text. The founders themselves said as much.

[r00t]

Oh and who could forget when Clinton firebombed a church in Waco

http://www.sstibbs.com/scott/images/waco3.jpg

that 1 lasted 51 days, so much for all the King's men theory

[Pringles]

Go ahead and lobby for another amendment then that outlaws guns, because it will never pass because its been already guaranteed by the 2nd. Making gun ownership, or ammunition ownership an "act of terrorism".... I can't believe any educated person that respects this country at all would state such a thing.

[Reapin]

All they need to do is enforce the regulated militia part.

Fin.

I believe I have emerged victorious in this discussion. No need to continue humiliating yourselves.

[Sidelle]

I would rather be called a paranoid freak who can protect herself than a victim who had no chance of doing so.

Remember, if they eventually take away our right to bear arms the only people with guns would be criminals and cops. What would you do if the cops couldn't get there in time to save you? Yeah, good luck with that.

[Reapin]

Don't worry fatty. No one would want to rape you anyway.

[Pringles]

All they need to do is enforce the regulated militia part.

Fin.

I believe I have emerged victorious in this discussion. No need to continue humiliating yourselves.

Heh, never hear that one before! :rolleyes: Come on dude, really? Every left argument for gun control brings this up.... I don't even need to counter this, countless courts already have.

[Sidelle]

Don't worry fatty. No one would want to rape you anyway.

Lol really? That's the best you got? Calling someone you've never seen "fat". Perhaps you felt a little owned by my post. Don't worry you already made yourself look like the biggest asshole possible so nothing I said could have made it any worse.

[Reapin]

Well you are female and play EQ. Odds are in my favor.

[Yinikren]

This reapin guy is salty as fuck

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

lol reapin hated by everyone in rnf, true faggot.

[Daldolma]

true story sold $15,000 worth of semi automatic arms and ammo in past 24 hrs

america just a little bit safer today

[Ryba]

lol reapin hated by everyone in rnf, true faggot.

Did you feel a twinge of irony when you typed that? Everyone who reads it will.

Today's guns and ammunition are as different from what the founder's had in mind as a hoe is to a backhoe, or a stick of tnt is to nuclear ordnance. Colonial soldiers had to muzzleload a marble propelled by shitty gunpowder. Now you can turn a packed theatre into pink mist with one or two magazines.

Other than the concept of evolution and that Obama's administration isn't uniquely awful, this is the hardest concept for rabid gun owners to understand. George Mason did not own a black rifle and wouldn't have stood up for your "right" to.

[Daldolma]

George Mason did not own a black rifle and wouldn't have stood up for your "right" to.

ya he would have

[eqgmrdbz]

I know that so called "true americans", say that we cannot trust our government, but if we have no government, then what do we have, a distopian country, where the powerfull run the show, and there are now laws, or justice system. Really you wanna live in a country like that.

Look, im all for peeps wanting to protect themselves, but there has to be a limits to the weapons regular people own. General public should be limited to guns, rifles, and shotguns, anything more is overkill. The police and SWAT, should be allowed to have anything short of M1 tanks. The military should have no limits of course.

If people want to shoot Semi's or 50 cal style weapons, then they should only be fired at Shooting Ranges. Even then, i know that wont stop the violence, we are humans after all. But at least we can reduce the carnage a crazy person can do.

[Autotune]

Actually I think if enough kids get shot the fever will break on the gun nut issue and people would turn them in.

Start off with stopping all gunpowder primer and casing sales to the public. Make it a terror crime to posses such items.

Have a buy back program for weapons and shell making equipment. Paying twice what the weapons are worth.

When that dwindles reward people for turning in gun owners with the potential of earning up to 1 million depending on the size of the seizure.

Indoctrinate children in public schools that weapons are bad and punish media outlets for glamorizing guns.

Then use Hellfires to finish off the inbred out in the boonies in their bunkers.

It's trolls like this that brighten my day.

[Autotune]

If people want to shoot Semi's or 50 cal style weapons, then they should only be fired at Shooting Ranges. Even then, i know that wont stop the violence, we are humans after all. But at least we can reduce the carnage a crazy person can do.

You don't reduce what they can do, you reduce how they can do it.

[mtb tripper]

AR-15 triggered fire that killed Tennessee father and son


Investigators have ruled out foul play as a factor in a bizarre fire that killed a Tennessee father and his 12-year-old son on Sunday.

Preliminary autopsy results released this week showed the pair, of Huron, died of carbon monoxide poisoning and thermal burning, authorities told CNN on Wednesday.

At issue was an accidental firearm discharge, which investigators said triggered the fire as well as the explosions that ensued, but it remains unclear what else contributed.

Henderson County Sheriff Brian Duke said Terry York, 48, was showing his loaded AR-15 to a family friend in the back room of his wooden mobile home when it misfired and a small fire was ignited.

"It was a bizarre misfire that I hadn't seen for more than 20 years," Duke said.

The fire didn't start out as severe but soon triggered explosions "one right after another" in minutes, according to one neighbor's account made to CNN affiliate WBBJ. Henderson County Fire Chief Lynn Murphy said it took firefighters more than four hours to contain the fire. The entire back room was burned down while the rest of the house saw little damage.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/tennessee-father-son-fire/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


Playing with a loaded semi-auto weapon in a room full of black powder. Darwin Award winner right there. Only a matter of before these slack jawed yokels are disarmed and hopefully sterilized.

cocksucking liberal

[r00t]

http://i.imgur.com/IwK5sDa.gif

[Pringles]

Today's guns and ammunition are as different from what the founder's had in mind as a hoe is to a backhoe, or a stick of tnt is to nuclear ordnance. Colonial soldiers had to muzzleload a marble propelled by shitty gunpowder. Now you can turn a packed theatre into pink mist with one or two magazines.

Other than the concept of evolution and that Obama's administration isn't uniquely awful, this is the hardest concept for rabid gun owners to understand. George Mason did not own a black rifle and wouldn't have stood up for your "right" to.



Today's internet, TV, and cell phones are as different from what the founder's had in mind as a hoe is to a backhoe, or a stick of tnt is to nuclear ordnance. Colonial soldiers had to dip a pen in an ink well and write on shitty paper. Now you can text, email, or blog someone a novel within one or two seconds.

George Mason did not own a black cell phone and wouldn't have stood up for your "right" to.

The founding fathers never envisioned this communication technology, clearly we should remove the 1st amendment. :rolleyes:

[Pringles]

I know that so called "true americans", say that we cannot trust our government, but if we have no government, then what do we have, a distopian country, where the powerfull run the show, and there are now laws, or justice system. Really you wanna live in a country like that.

Look, im all for peeps wanting to protect themselves, but there has to be a limits to the weapons regular people own. General public should be limited to guns, rifles, and shotguns, anything more is overkill. The police and SWAT, should be allowed to have anything short of M1 tanks. The military should have no limits of course.

If people want to shoot Semi's or 50 cal style weapons, then they should only be fired at Shooting Ranges. Even then, i know that wont stop the violence, we are humans after all. But at least we can reduce the carnage a crazy person can do.

You do realize there is basically little difference in mechanical function between a pistol (lets say a 1911 or a Glock) and an AK47 or AR15 that you can buy today, right? They are all semi automatic. Fully automatic weapons can no longer be purchased in the US (since 1986) unless you are willing to fork over the 20k to buy a pre-ban weapon, which are mostly on the shelves of collectors. When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting in the US with a fully automatic weapon? You haven't....

The Glock, 1911, AK47, AR15 are all semi automatic, all have the same rate of fire (1 bullet per trigger pull), all can be made to hold the same number of bullets (extend magazines, drums etc). You're simply afraid of the AK47 or AR15 but not the pistols because the AK47/AR15 looks "scary", because you do not understand firearms.

Before you get into "well the AK47 or the AR15 shoots further than the glock", maybe .... but when was the last time you heard of someone getting shot in a long range shooting? Most are well under 15 yards.... and I am just as accurate at 15 yards with my AK47 or any other "evil black rifle" as I am with my Glock.

Firearms are inanimate objects, they take a specific set of inputs from a user to fire. The people are the problem, not the firearms.

The types of guns are not the problem. The sickness of the people using them is.

[Danth]

Look, im all for peeps wanting to protect themselves, but there has to be a limits to the weapons regular people own. General public should be limited to guns, rifles, and shotguns, anything more is overkill. The police and SWAT, should be allowed to have anything short of M1 tanks.

I take a different approach. Police aren't fundamentally supposed to be militarized, and I don't believe they should have access to anything that the ordinary public isn't allowed to own. I felt that way when I worked in that line of work, and I still feel that way today. Excessively militarized departments display a consistent tendency to behave like occupying armies. With the above in mind, I'll happily give up firearms as soon as all law enforcement does the same. If they don't--if their job is so dangerous that they have to wear a gun to work (two, usually)--then I cannot see a justification to deprive that same protection to everyone else. Since there's no way police in the U.S. would currently submit to total disarmament, I therefore fall firmly on the "keep 'em legal for everyone" side of that debate.

For my part, my HK .45 mostly sits locked away except when I oil it from time to time. I rarely shoot. I don't quite "get" gun nuts; it seems a boring hobby once the novelty wears off. I guess a lot of hobbies are like that, though. The folks around here who shoot in their backyards don't bug me one bit.

-------------------------------

Under a strict reading of the constitution, ordinary citizens should be allowed to own pretty much anything--tanks, fighter planes, missles, whatever. The entire point was for the civilian populace to be equipped comparably to a standing army (that's what "well regulated" meant in an era when government soldiers were called "regulars"). Since this aspect of the constitution has long since gone by the wayside there's no real point in even citing the second amendment in gun debates. It has long since been repealed in all but name. That's just as well. I don't really want to see Wal-Mart operating its own military force in the vein of the East India Company of old.

Danth

[mtb tripper]

firearms will never be banned, you fuckers are crazy to even discuss this, if somebody wants to kill somebody, they will fucking kill them somehow, criminals will always have guns, regardless of the law, and at that point lawful citizens will have no guns while criminals do. crime rate rises, fucks a duck, impeaches osama, fucks a lama

[Hailto]

Another fucking retarded thread by Reapin, how is that rogue coming along pal?

[Danth]

As for rifles vs pistols, there's a lot more than rate of fire. Rifles will penetrate much farther than pistol rounds and also will hit accurately at much greater distance. You can shoot through car doors with a pistol, or through modern engine blocks with a high-power rifle.

Automatic pistols are lousy weapons all told--their purpose is their convenience (a bad weapon on your person being more useful than an excellent rifle you left at home). Only experienced shooters get consistently good results with them. The average, not-well-trained person won't even hit the center of mass of a human size target at 100 feet with even half his pistol shots and might miss the target entirely if he tries to shoot quickly. I know this due to having watched it myself many times. A rifle at that range--or several times as far--is like driving tacks even in the hands of a fairly inept shooter.

Danth

[Hailto]

As for rifles vs pistols, there's a lot more than rate of fire. Rifles will penetrate much farther than pistol rounds and also will hit accurately at much greater distance. You can shoot through car doors with a pistol, or through modern engine blocks with a high-power rifle.

Automatic pistols are lousy weapons all told--their purpose is their convenience (a bad weapon on your person being more useful than an excellent rifle you left at home). Only experienced shooters get consistently good results with them. The average, not-well-trained person won't even hit the center of mass of a human size target at 100 feet with even half his pistol shots and might miss the target entirely if he tries to shoot quickly. I know this due to having watched it myself many times. A rifle at that range--or several times as far--is like driving tacks even in the hands of a fairly inept shooter.

Danth

Do you and your wife still play? For some reason I can't remember your SK's name now.

[Danth]

Hailto: We play off and on, mostly been off this summer. We historically play less during the summer and this year has been an unexpectedly busy year for us. We never "quit" so we'll always be back sooner or later. My SK is named Andoric.

Danth

[Hailto]

Hailto: We play off and on, mostly been off this summer. We historically play less during the summer and this year has been an unexpectedly busy year for us. We never "quit" so we'll always be back sooner or later. My SK is named Andoric.

Danth

Nice, I'd like to group with you all again sometime on Kaludar.

[SyanideGas]

I laugh when anti-gun people talk about "disarming" gun owners.

With what? lulllz

[this user was banned]

lol reapin hated by everyone in rnf, true faggot.

/thread

[Nirgon]

Guns are great

[r00t]

Today's internet, TV, and cell phones are as different from what the founder's had in mind as a hoe is to a backhoe, or a stick of tnt is to nuclear ordnance. Colonial soldiers had to dip a pen in an ink well and write on shitty paper. Now you can text, email, or blog someone a novel within one or two seconds.

George Mason did not own a black cell phone and wouldn't have stood up for your "right" to.

The founding fathers never envisioned this communication technology, clearly we should remove the 1st amendment. :rolleyes:

[Daldolma]

^ going to print that and make it a sign in my arms emporium

[Vermouth]

I own guns legally (including an AR-15) and I am in no way a gun nut. I think you are confusing gun nuts with incompetent people. And it's a shame that most people think this way, once a person of a certain race/religion/belief/political view/etc does something stupid then that must mean they ALL do it.

I do not show them to family members. They are not loaded in my house and only will be loaded if there is a threat. They are kept in a safe at all times except when I am going to a shooting range, in which case my unloaded gun is in a lock box and locked in my trunk with no ammo around it.

Not all people who own guns are idiots. And myself and my family feel a lot more safe knowing I am properly trained to use a gun if something were to happen in my home. Until there is a way to guarantee that no one will illegally own a gun to use it to perform a crime (which is impossible), I will never ever give up my right to own a firearm.

However I do agree that fully automatic weapons have one purpose and one purpose only: to kill as much as you can as fast as you can. I do agree these should not be legal to own, even though they are highly regulated and only legal in, from what I can remember, 37 states.

[r00t]

All guns even bolt action should be automatic

[PTownGUnit]

Reapin = loco de la cabasa

[Strifer]

Guns are pretty cool, they serve a purpose and are fun to shoot. However when you give a mentally deficient turd access to them, stupid shit happens.

You can be a gun nut and be smart about guns, keep them locked away from you children; respecting the great power that requires a great responsibility to handle. It's when you clearly lack the respect of the firearm such as that fucking lowlife did is that when atrocities such as these take place.

If they guy didn't have guns he would have found something else to fuck himself as well as his family over.

[Pringles]

As for rifles vs pistols, there's a lot more than rate of fire. Rifles will penetrate much farther than pistol rounds and also will hit accurately at much greater distance. You can shoot through car doors with a pistol, or through modern engine blocks with a high-power rifle.

Automatic pistols are lousy weapons all told--their purpose is their convenience (a bad weapon on your person being more useful than an excellent rifle you left at home). Only experienced shooters get consistently good results with them. The average, not-well-trained person won't even hit the center of mass of a human size target at 100 feet with even half his pistol shots and might miss the target entirely if he tries to shoot quickly. I know this due to having watched it myself many times. A rifle at that range--or several times as far--is like driving tacks even in the hands of a fairly inept shooter.

Danth

I dont disagree that rifles and handguns are apples and oranges in terms of potential damage, but my point was: the handguns and rifles compared are both semiautomatic, and are both capable of inflicting nearly the same amount of damage in the school shootings everyone has been worked up about.

Had Adam Lanza used an Glock instead of an AR15, the outcome would be no different.

I could only think of 1 shooting instance where a rifle did more damage than a handgun could have: The DC beltway sniper (I'm sure there are others, but most would be no different if they had used a handgun instead of a "Scary black rifle"). I thought I remember the Virginia tech shooting was carried out with a rifle, but it was 2 handguns.

My point boils down to this: semi auto rifle or semi auto handgun, it makes no difference. The sick people are going to commit crimes regardless of the tool in their hands.

Disarm the law abiding citizens, and you are only ensuring the criminals have the advantage.

Disarm the law abiding citizens, and a tyrannous government meets no opposition.

The 2nd amendment was put in place to keep the government from steam rolling its citizens, it had nothing to do with "sporting" (like our current president would like you to believe) or home defense from bad guys, those are only perks.

[Heebo]

Reapin either a decent troll or one of the most willfully ignorant individuals I've encountered. Either was thanks for the entertainment.

[Pringles]

Reapin either a decent troll or one of the most willfully ignorant individuals I've encountered. Either was thanks for the entertainment.

I know for fact he is a big troll, but I am "not sure if serious" on this one.

[Tecmos Deception]

Who else is glad that soon we probably won't have to disarm ourselves every time we need to pass through the chicagoland area?

[Aaron]

Ooohh, gun debate thread. How cutting edge. I'm sure there are a lot of opinions being swayed in these pages.

[r00t]

A private school in Central Arkansas recently voted to allow the staff to have guns on campus. This is the sign they put up.

http://i.imgur.com/80h2Ch1.png

Id send my kids there

[mtb tripper]

merica

[Misto]

MURICCCCCCCCCCCA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfK9UPEQavo

[Misto]

A private school in Central Arkansas recently voted to allow the staff to have guns on campus. This is the sign they put up.

http://i.imgur.com/80h2Ch1.png

Id send my kids there

More reason not to piss your teachers off. lol

[r00t]

^lol
http://i.imgur.com/r68g0.jpg

[skipdog]

Jeez... anti-gunners are some of the most ignorant people I've ever seen.

[Raavak]

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendmentqft

[Aaron]

Jeez... anti-gunners are some of the most ignorant people I've ever seen.

Yeah, the anti-gun crowd is about as dumb as the pro-Jesus crowd. Which is ironic, since they're on complete opposite sides politically.

[Vohl]

I'm pro-gun control. A weapon stylized to resemble military assault weapons, which has been used in multiple mass killings, and isn't of any particular use when hunting or self-defense pretty much has no reasonable use to the public. Handgun proliferation is also a huge issue.

Australia's model for disarmament looks pretty sensible. Siezure of firearms crosses the line, though. Unless the weapons were obtained illegally, or were used in violent crime, constitutional protections against this sort of thing would certainly apply.

The best step we could take in the near term would be to close loopholes in firearm purchasing to make background checks as pervasive and effective as possible.

Just remember, "they" aren't coming for your guns. "They" are coming for your medicare and social security.

[Ahldagor]

Yeah, the anti-gun crowd is about as dumb as the pro-Jesus crowd. Which is ironic, since they're on complete opposite sides politically.

fanatics are usually stupid and scream louder than anyone else.

[Aviann]

Can you say


Idiot Liberalist

[Estolcles]

Just remember, "they" aren't coming for your guns. "They" are coming for your medicare and social security.

They are coming up with ways to ruin everyone's lives.

Damn Obama.

Oh, and THEY are coming for all your data too.

Fuck Obama.

[r00t]

I'm pro-gun control. A weapon stylized to resemble military assault weapons, which has been used in multiple mass killings, and isn't of any particular use when hunting or self-defense pretty much has no reasonable use to the public. Handgun proliferation is also a huge issue.

The AR-15 is perhaps the most commonly used hunting rifle on the planet. It's also way better than a handgun for home defense. Arguably better than a shotgun too, since bird shot'll hit your daughter when Chester the molester crawls in her window.

Australia's model for disarmament looks pretty sensible. Siezure of firearms crosses the line, though. Unless the weapons were obtained illegally, or were used in violent crime, constitutional protections against this sort of thing would certainly apply.

Bad example. Home invasions, rapes, and other theft/violent crime skyrocketed after Australia went communist. This is no surprise to people who know that more guns = less crime. Those of us with guns behind our doors keep you slaves safe just from the fact criminals don't know which houses are packing heat. If we didn't need guns, we wouldn't need locks.

The best step we could take in the near term would be to close loopholes in firearm purchasing to make background checks as pervasive and effective as possible.

The gun show loophole is a nonexistent liberal myth. 99% of all firearm transfers besides like father to son require FFL Form 4473 and a NICS background check. This is from the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, let alone all the newer liberal nanny state CRAP at the state level.

[r00t]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG-btcKloSs