Nuffwin <Bregan D'Aerth> Known Ninja Looter Strikes Again

[Eccezan]

During repop, Nuffwin (Known lying cheat and BDA Druid) knowingly and BLATANTLY NINJALOOTS a Venril Sathir druid epic stone off a mob that his guild absolutely did NOT kill.

Since all guilds have bad eggs, we need to make sure that BDA is held responsible and shamed for this trifling example of greed.

http://i.imgur.com/QCxCPYx.jpg

[SyanideGas]

Nuffwin is guild removed. Snackums sent me the fraps through PM, everything has been gone through.

Cool thread though.

[Strifer]

is that hat new velious graphics?

[khanable]

Sorry you guys had to deal with this. Definitely not cool.

[JayN]

damn and he was so close to finishing his epic! thanks ObamaTMO

[kotton05]

Hey its.... McNuffwin

[Trouble]

Sorry you guys had to deal with this. Definitely not cool.

Known gay porn signature strikes again.

[quido]

HOW DARE YOU BDA!

[Veteran]

Sucks, Nuffwin was a cool guy.

[quido]

you should have known better beforehand what a moran he is

never forget

[kotton05]

Wonder what he was thinking.....def shady and not a representation of BDA.

[Susano]

Since all guilds have bad eggs, we need to make sure that BDA is held responsible and shamed for this trifling example of greed.

Speaking of such people, how's Aiaus doing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c_EVJTmsIQ

[Strifer]

Nuffwin,what a thief.
Druid epic part he has,
too bad his rep's gone.

[kotton05]

Nuffwin,what a thief.
Druid epic part he has,
too bad his rep's gone.

Unless he had the other parts ready to go for a turn it that stone will get removed.

[Alarti0001]

Speaking of such people, how's Aiaus doing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c_EVJTmsIQ

FE member complaining about Actions FE is guilty of. Funny!

[Susano]

Actions FE is guilty of

P r o v e i t !

Even if it was true, doesn't excuse the actions of a member of your guild.

[Alarti0001]

P r o v e i t !

Even if it was true, doesn't excuse the actions of a member of your guild.

It was proven. :)
I agree with you however. Aiaus committed a crime before it was known as a crime. FE member committed the crime after it was decided to be a crime as per Sirken.

[Detoxx]

It was proven. :)
I agree with you however. Aiaus committed a crime before it was known as a crime. FE member committed the crime after it was decided to be a crime as per Sirken.

QFT

[Susano]

It was proven.

I supply proof, you supply words.

[Eccezan]

Which formerly relevant guild does FE stand for? The name escapes me.

[quido]

Nuffwin was seconds away from handing it in when the GM took it from him.

[Eccezan]

Nuffwin was seconds away from handing it in when the GM took it from him.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/McGruff.jpg/220px-McGruff.jpg

[radditsu]

Nuffwin was seconds away from handing it in when the GM took it from him.

Aww drat!

[Eccezan]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Smokey3.jpg/220px-Smokey3.jpg

[kotton05]

Nuffwin was seconds away from handing it in when the GM took it from him.

Yoouuuuu want it allllll but you can't have ittttt!!!!!

[Visual]

GMs now reverse turn-ins for misallocated quest pieces. Would have stung more if he completed it and thought it was a wrap before they stripped him

[Nimblefork]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/McGruff.jpg/220px-McGruff.jpg

Does this guy still live in a trailer?

[Tasslehofp99]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

[khanable]

So what i get from this thread is TMO claims to be fast about killing targets just not looting them?

No one needs to be fast about looting. If you killed it the items are yours. You can take the full 30m to loot if you please. You can let it rot, even. If someone takes it without permission it's ninjalooting.

They probably had a druid coming or were trying to figure out who was going to loot it for MQ.

[Susano]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

I'm sure they'll sell it to him for 500k or something once he's off suspension or whatever.

[Boilon]

Can you MQ the druid epic? I heard that the druid himself needs to loot it. Oh well, good thing BDA did the right thing for once :P

[SyanideGas]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

He may have deserved it, but it doesn't justify the fact that he stole it from a kill that wasn't ours. :(

[Enygma]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

tasslehof still has his head up his ass... bro... FE's dead... grats on... Gore?

[Sadad]

Can you MQ the druid epic? I heard that the druid himself needs to loot it. Oh well, good thing BDA did the right thing for once :P

Shut up.
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=107774

Nuffwin was seconds away from handing it in when the GM took it from him.

Not true.

[khanable]

Can you MQ the druid epic? I heard that the druid himself needs to loot it. Oh well, good thing BDA did the right thing for once :P

Did we just give you a sky day?

And then you promptly didn't show up for it?

I guess you guys don't want it anymore?

[Boilon]

Did we just give you a sky day?

And then you promptly didn't show up for it?

I guess you guys don't want it anymore?

When did we ever get a sky day from you? I recall BDA being scared of Europa so much that they roll out of bed at like 8-10am or something silly to do sky now lolz. However, I shall not derail this thread. Anything else interesting from VS today?

[SyanideGas]

Europa is a thing?

[khanable]

It's a place

[Eccezan]

Europa is a thing?

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/images/splash-europa.jpg

That's no moon?

[OMGWTF420]

Yoouuuuu want it allllll but you can't have ittttt!!!!!

faith no more <3

[Tiggles]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

You should recruit him to FE then.

He is guildless so he meets your requirements and as a bonus he's lvl 60 so that puts him above most of your recent FC recruits.

[Hitpoint]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

Not true Tass. TMO did all the work by training the entire zone on an engaged FE, they clearly deserve the VS loot.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Way to douche it up, Nuffwin. Sorry, TMO. :(

[Arteker]

Not true Tass. TMO did all the work by training the entire zone on an engaged FE, they clearly deserve the VS loot.

most mobs where non kos to TMO, <<< this mofo ivu several peole and moved with them to vs spot and no one was even hit.

when we got to the spawn point a FE single lone necro was in da mode, FE dark elf cleric come, and dump a full soulfire charge in necro other 4 fe in vs pit dont event engage .


we call camp out because fe keeps coming with trains . this mofo logs on with ivu no mobs imba appears a with a pack of big wolfs , and stand in me spot, this mofo isnt kos, imba is fucked up.

a rogue engage VS, this mofo peel it with stun x2 , this mofo self Da and call the people to log on .


mofo have to self loh and self heals. clerics begin to pop, praised be darth elethia .

Mofo finish tanking . we got trained by several FE. np we clean the shit as usual.

and this mofo ends abit later tanking sev because paladins rule and non human troll wars suxx

[Arteker]

this mofo lost 200 pps in a bid about stone was ninjaed by random FE scrub , lost the bid , and i cant pay me debt.


WTS omnisexual sex in ec with s easoned human paladin, , bring me anything and i promise orgasms and big size erections.

[Arteker]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in FE.

nuff said

[Eccezan]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=KlqhX7aYKJIUDM&tbnid=uFlY1nu6zaFXlM:&ved=0CAUQjBwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fborderofinsanity.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2Fmeme-well-that-escalated-quickly.jpg&ei=eYIJUq7-JqyayQG5kICoDg&psig=AFQjCNG2KovytJ2i4WqooHoS8hIUOGI78A&ust=1376441337726267

[zanderklocke]

http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/images/splash-europa.jpg

That's no moon?

It's a space station!

[Strifer]

Nuffwin deserves this green stone more than anyone in TMO.

http://i.imgur.com/dTvf3p3.gif

[Aeaolena]

Wow. Not cool. Sorry TMO :(

Glad this asshat isn't in our guild anymore, and the stone was taken from him before he could do any kind of turn-in.

Aeaolena le'Vowels
59 Preserver - Bregan D'Aerth

[Daldolma]

i am nuffwin and i am not sorry

[Tiggles]

i am nuffwin and i am not sorry

It's ok I'm never sorry either

[Nivar Quartz]

i am nuffwin and i am not sorry

+1

[Tasslehofp99]

It was proven. :)
I agree with you however. Aiaus committed a crime before it was known as a crime. FE member committed the crime after it was decided to be a crime as per Sirken.

Here is Desmo using said exploit to train FE after sirken's announcement, in plane of fear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_YArIVqTM&feature=youtu.be

[quido]

Tasslehof has these videos on his bookmark bar and watches them every night before he goes to sleep.

[Kevynne]

Here is Desmo using said exploit to train FE after sirken's announcement, in plane of fear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_YArIVqTM&feature=youtu.be

I remember this ^-^

[Kevynne]

I kept watching it over and over because lilyanna gets 2 shotted which made me laugh.

[Archalen]

What surprises me here is not that a scrub would steal a stone but that BDA was present at a VS kill...maybe I outta log on some time.

[Capi]

What surprises me here is not that a scrub would steal a stone but that BDA was present at a VS kill...maybe I outta log on some time.

Yea you should, we can kill things, and I'll be your friend

[arsenalpow]

Can you MQ the druid epic? I heard that the druid himself needs to loot it. Oh well, good thing BDA did the right thing for once :P

Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and coordinate with your own leadership (Hallyguk) about the Friday sky slot we so graciously offered up and secondly next time you chain wipe in Chardok I won't bother to drag the corpses, open the locked doors, and start your coth chain. I'm fucking tired of being nice to people then having it shoved right back in my fucking face. This server grows more toxic by the day.

[Fromage]

This server grows more toxic by the day.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100219135906/fallout/images/thumb/e/e8/FO3_RadAway.png/220px-FO3_RadAway.png

[Langrisser]

most mobs where non kos to TMO, <<< this mofo ivu several peole and moved with them to vs spot and no one was even hit.

when we got to the spawn point a FE single lone necro was in da mode, FE dark elf cleric come, and dump a full soulfire charge in necro other 4 fe in vs pit dont event engage .


we call camp out because fe keeps coming with trains . this mofo logs on with ivu no mobs imba appears a with a pack of big wolfs , and stand in me spot, this mofo isnt kos, imba is fucked up.

a rogue engage VS, this mofo peel it with stun x2 , this mofo self Da and call the people to log on .


mofo have to self loh and self heals. clerics begin to pop, praised be darth elethia .

Mofo finish tanking . we got trained by several FE. np we clean the shit as usual.

and this mofo ends abit later tanking sev because paladins rule and non human troll wars suxx


man i didnt catch any of that, and i thought i spoke full retard

[Tiggles]

Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and coordinate with your own leadership (Hallyguk) about the Friday sky slot we so graciously offered up and secondly next time you chain wipe in Chardok I won't bother to drag the corpses, open the locked doors, and start your coth chain. I'm fucking tired of being nice to people then having it shoved right back in my fucking face. This server grows more toxic by the day.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/stripgenerator/strip/76/43/53/00/00/full.png

Once you realize that the majority people on this server are filthy casual scum and you stop trying to appease/babysit them. The more you can enjoy this game.

Stick with your own kind imo, You're not a casual Chest.

[Clark]

Not true Tass. TMO did all the work by training the entire zone on an engaged FE, they clearly deserve the VS loot.

[Tasslehofp99]

Here is Desmo using said exploit to train FE after sirken's announcement, in plane of fear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_YArIVqTM&feature=youtu.be

Tasslehof has these videos on his bookmark bar and watches them every night before he goes to sleep.

I have to, because your guild mates claim that this was "an exploit FE used" simply isn't true. If you listen to any of our vent recordings from this time period you would know quite well that none of us were aware of how it was being done.

So, in essence all of the proof/fraps of this exploit being used is of TMO doing it, not FE. More proof that TMO is full of cheaters.

[Eccezan]

I have to, because your guild mates claim that this was "an exploit FE used" simply isn't true. If you listen to any of our vent recordings from this time period you would know quite well that none of us were aware of how it was being done.

So, in essence all of the proof/fraps of this exploit being used is of TMO doing it, not FE. More proof that TMO is full of cheaters.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VYKJVq6Gjtg/UMD0z-O6RLI/AAAAAAAADt8/aKwM45AX6PE/s1600/damn-right.gif

[jtt25c]

Hmmm I just want to tack this on here...Arsenalpow (chest) is a complete fucktard.
I was randomly out of mana and recently rezzed, alone, in chardok. Could not summon water to regen mana. His crew of BDA zoned in chardok and I politely sent them all tells offering to pay for 1 drink. He instructed them to all right click / chug there drinks and then message me to fuck off. I asked him why they were being so rude, and what i could have done to incite this, and he said "fuck you, go fuck yourself, taken is scumbags and will be treated as such. My members dont steal dragons. enjoy not having a drink. fuck taken, fuck you all"...

clearly leadership material in a guild with people who think ninjalooting is A-OK

[quido]

I think Chest and Tasslehof should cross weiners and produce a child that will surely come to be known as the biggest fucking crybaby in the universe.

[Strifer]

I think Chest and Tasslehof should cross weiners and produce a child that will surely come to be known as the biggest fucking crybaby in the universe.

but Harrison has already been born.

[Nuggie]

ruined his rep over an epic.... wow.

poor guy musta been drunk. or stoned.

[Painperdu]

Wow. Not cool. Sorry TMO :(

Glad this asshat isn't in our guild anymore, and the stone was taken from him before he could do any kind of turn-in.

Aeaolena le'Vowels
59 Preserver - Bregan D'Aerth

Yeah you're right, that guy who was in your guild is a complete stupid shit, who never helped anyone. He even stole your napkin when you were a baby. Poor TMO they so needed that gem. Hopefuly the GM was comprehensive and could get the gem back to their owner 30 sec later so they can sell it, before the evil Nuffwin gets his epic.

Such hyprocrisy TMO Wannabe...


Painperdu Hecatonchires - Oracle of Nightbane
Ssouka - Shaman of Europa
Fenrill - Warrior

[arsenalpow]

Hmmm I just want to tack this on here...Arsenalpow (chest) is a complete fucktard.
I was randomly out of mana and recently rezzed, alone, in chardok. Could not summon water to regen mana. His crew of BDA zoned in chardok and I politely sent them all tells offering to pay for 1 drink. He instructed them to all right click / chug there drinks and then message me to fuck off. I asked him why they were being so rude, and what i could have done to incite this, and he said "fuck you, go fuck yourself, taken is scumbags and will be treated as such. My members dont steal dragons. enjoy not having a drink. fuck taken, fuck you all"...

clearly leadership material in a guild with people who think ninjalooting is A-OK

Oh it's the random member of Taken that had decided to pop off. Here at BDA we sometimes enjoy killing dragons so we dislike it when we kill a dragon and have to give the loot to another guild like Taken. Lets go back and tell a story shall we?

It was a few repops ago, I think it was a Sunday morning and we rolled into TD as a guild after downing Inny only to see Taken rezzing up after wiping at Fay with 40. This isn't anything new; I've personally seen them wipe to Yael with over 20, but that's another story for another day. So BDA gets to ogre island and sends out the pullers. We find Fay out near firepots and get him tagged. He gets to the island, we smoke him, and instantly Sirken appears and awards our loot to Taken. We were flabbergasted. So Sirken sends me the logs. Turns out good ole Eratani of Taken had tagged Fay 4.5 minutes prior to our ranger jamming an arrow into him. So lets do this math.

Taken wipes to Fay.
Eratani proceeds to kite Fay.
BDA zones in, finds Fay, tags 4.5 mins later.
4 mins later Fay shows up and gets slaughtered.
LOLZ NOOBS THX FOR THE FREE DRAGON.

If it takes Fay roughly 4 minutes to path across the zone why hadn't Taken been engaging prior to our arrival, oh that's right, because they wiped and were kiting the dragon. Then Sirken decided to let us know that FTE is FTE no matter what despite all rational thought. (That's a neat thing too in case everyone didn't know that. No rational thought will be used to determine FTE now. If I am all alone at VS and toss a javelin before TMO engages and they kill VS it's my loot, even if I don't have a guild there to back me up. Also, kite your heart out, it won't be checked, just get FTE baby. Al Davis style. I have the GM quote to back it up)

So that's why I (BDA) dislike Taken and that's why my guildmates, of their own accord , decided to deny you a tasty beverage. Because youre in a guild that thinks kiting raid targets is cool. Hope that treasure hunter satchel was worth it.

[lilyanna]

I kept watching it over and over because lilyanna gets 2 shotted which made me laugh.

I thought it was pretty funny as well :)

[Sadad]

Hmmm I just want to tack this on here...Arsenalpow (chest) is a complete fucktard.
I was randomly out of mana and recently rezzed, alone, in chardok. Could not summon water to regen mana. His crew of BDA zoned in chardok and I politely sent them all tells offering to pay for 1 drink. He instructed them to all right click / chug there drinks and then message me to fuck off. I asked him why they were being so rude, and what i could have done to incite this, and he said "fuck you, go fuck yourself, taken is scumbags and will be treated as such. My members dont steal dragons. enjoy not having a drink. fuck taken, fuck you all"...

clearly leadership material in a guild with people who think ninjalooting is A-OK

Of course you conveniently forgot to post that he ended up giving you some water.

[Pullyn]

Of course you conveniently forgot to post that he ended up giving you some water.

Lol summon drink costs 10 mana. How fucking bad at life do you have to be to log out with less than 10 mana and no water. As the old saying goes, a lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.

[Alarti0001]

Oh it's the random member of Taken that had decided to pop off. Here at BDA we sometimes enjoy killing dragons so we dislike it when we kill a dragon and have to give the loot to another guild like Taken. Lets go back and tell a story shall we?

It was a few repops ago, I think it was a Sunday morning and we rolled into TD as a guild after downing Inny only to see Taken rezzing up after wiping at Fay with 40. This isn't anything new; I've personally seen them wipe to Yael with over 20, but that's another story for another day. So BDA gets to ogre island and sends out the pullers. We find Fay out near firepots and get him tagged. He gets to the island, we smoke him, and instantly Sirken appears and awards our loot to Taken. We were flabbergasted. So Sirken sends me the logs. Turns out good ole Eratani of Taken had tagged Fay 4.5 minutes prior to our ranger jamming an arrow into him. So lets do this math.

Taken wipes to Fay.
Eratani proceeds to kite Fay.
BDA zones in, finds Fay, tags 4.5 mins later.
4 mins later Fay shows up and gets slaughtered.
LOLZ NOOBS THX FOR THE FREE DRAGON.

If it takes Fay roughly 4 minutes to path across the zone why hadn't Taken been engaging prior to our arrival, oh that's right, because they wiped and were kiting the dragon. Then Sirken decided to let us know that FTE is FTE no matter what despite all rational thought. (That's a neat thing too in case everyone didn't know that. No rational thought will be used to determine FTE now. If I am all alone at VS and toss a javelin before TMO engages and they kill VS it's my loot, even if I don't have a guild there to back me up. Also, kite your heart out, it won't be checked, just get FTE baby. Al Davis style. I have the GM quote to back it up)

So that's why I (BDA) dislike Taken and that's why my guildmates, of their own accord , decided to deny you a tasty beverage. Because youre in a guild that thinks kiting raid targets is cool. Hope that treasure hunter satchel was worth it.

Chest...., first problem. It takes Fay quite a bit longer than 4 mins to path across the zone.

[arsenalpow]

Chest...., first problem. It takes Fay quite a bit longer than 4 mins to path across the zone.

Prove it?

I could go on our guild emulator server, spawn Fay at the farthest SW just past firepots and Fay would be at ogre island just north of 4 minutes. I'm not going to do this because I've already done it to fight the original petition.

1 Eratani (22056)[872] (O) Taken 60 Druid 17:28:07 0 17:39:42 695 0 0 0

2 Lecompte (313663)[936] (O) Rapture 60 Ranger 17:32:33 266 17:39:42 429 1749 829 1798

3 Capi (322396)[911] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Bard 17:32:52 285 17:39:42 410 1749 122 288

4 Jutebox (261540)[909] Bregan D`Aerth 56 Bard 17:33:58 351 17:39:20 322 1749 0 0

5 Daxik (343369)[901] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Cleric 17:36:55 528 17:39:42 167 1749 0 5365

#1 is the Taken tag, 2/3/4 is our pull team, and 5 is the first person on ogre island to show up on the logs. So nearly 9 minutes elapsed between Taken tagging and a raid force engaging the fish (8minutes 48seconds if you really want to nitpick). The fish arrived at the raid 4minutes 26seconds after our tag and the team bee lined back to ogre island.

Logs don't lie, Taken kited but fret not young lawyers:

As per Sirken ~2 weeks ago, first on FTE list gets mob credit. We used to reason out things like that, that it would be impossible for 4 people to kill faydedar so BDA would have gotten the kill.

However, Sirken has ruled that we are taking all rational decisions out of FTE petitions. Whoever is first on the FTE list gets kill credit, regardless of situation. Unfortunately, whatever the case may be, Eratani was engaged in fay when your puller tagged it.

So go forth and kite, throw a single javelin at any target and get all the loot you can carry. You don't even need a raid force anymore! Rejoice!

[Alarti0001]

Prove it?

I could go on our guild emulator server, spawn Fay at the farthest SW just past firepots and Fay would be at ogre island just north of 4 minutes. I'm not going to do this because I've already done it to fight the original petition.

1 Eratani (22056)[872] (O) Taken 60 Druid 17:28:07 0 17:39:42 695 0 0 0

2 Lecompte (313663)[936] (O) Rapture 60 Ranger 17:32:33 266 17:39:42 429 1749 829 1798

3 Capi (322396)[911] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Bard 17:32:52 285 17:39:42 410 1749 122 288

4 Jutebox (261540)[909] Bregan D`Aerth 56 Bard 17:33:58 351 17:39:20 322 1749 0 0

5 Daxik (343369)[901] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Cleric 17:36:55 528 17:39:42 167 1749 0 5365

#1 is the Taken tag, 2/3/4 is our pull team, and 5 is the first person on ogre island to show up on the logs. So nearly 9 minutes elapsed between Taken tagging and a raid force engaging the fish (8minutes 48seconds if you really want to nitpick). The fish arrived at the raid 4minutes 26seconds after our tag and the team bee lined back to ogre island.

Logs don't lie, Taken kited but fret not young lawyers:



So go forth and kite, throw a single javelin at any target and get all the loot you can carry. You don't even need a raid force anymore! Rejoice!

Been proven. There are several fraps showing an upwards of 7 min pull. You need to prove Taken kited. :)

[Strifer]

Been proven. There are several fraps showing an upwards of 7 min pull. You need to prove Taken kited. :)

At first I read this is as follows

" There are several faps showing an upwards of 7 min pull."

This changes the conversation completely.

[Enygma]

Prove it?

I could go on our guild emulator server, !

and that is where you should stay...

[Raavak]

Props to BDA for taking the moral high ground.

[quido]

How something acts on another emulated server isn't proof of anything.

[Strifer]

How something acts on another emulated server isn't proof of anything.

dude I solo faydedar on EZ server as a shadowknight... totally means it can be done here.

[Uteunayr]

I think the point is that the other server does not in any way change the speed of the mob, nor the size of the zone. These two things being constant, and the zone being the same, means that travel time should be equal. It is not quite the same as when game rules are altered away from classic that allow things such as a SK solo.

[getsome]

Did this occur before or after FTE shout?

Prove it?

I could go on our guild emulator server, spawn Fay at the farthest SW just past firepots and Fay would be at ogre island just north of 4 minutes. I'm not going to do this because I've already done it to fight the original petition.

1 Eratani (22056)[872] (O) Taken 60 Druid 17:28:07 0 17:39:42 695 0 0 0

2 Lecompte (313663)[936] (O) Rapture 60 Ranger 17:32:33 266 17:39:42 429 1749 829 1798

3 Capi (322396)[911] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Bard 17:32:52 285 17:39:42 410 1749 122 288

4 Jutebox (261540)[909] Bregan D`Aerth 56 Bard 17:33:58 351 17:39:20 322 1749 0 0

5 Daxik (343369)[901] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Cleric 17:36:55 528 17:39:42 167 1749 0 5365

#1 is the Taken tag, 2/3/4 is our pull team, and 5 is the first person on ogre island to show up on the logs. So nearly 9 minutes elapsed between Taken tagging and a raid force engaging the fish (8minutes 48seconds if you really want to nitpick). The fish arrived at the raid 4minutes 26seconds after our tag and the team bee lined back to ogre island.

Logs don't lie, Taken kited but fret not young lawyers:



So go forth and kite, throw a single javelin at any target and get all the loot you can carry. You don't even need a raid force anymore! Rejoice!

[Strifer]

I think the point is that the other server does not in any way change the speed of the mob, nor the size of the zone. These two things being constant, and the zone being the same, means that travel time should be equal. It is not quite the same as when game rules are altered away from classic that allow things such as a SK solo.

hahaahahahttp://i.imgur.com/lwlgwEc.gif

[Sirken]

Prove it?

I could go on our guild emulator server, spawn Fay at the farthest SW just past firepots and Fay would be at ogre island just north of 4 minutes. I'm not going to do this because I've already done it to fight the original petition.

1 Eratani (22056)[872] (O) Taken 60 Druid 17:28:07 0 17:39:42 695 0 0 0

2 Lecompte (313663)[936] (O) Rapture 60 Ranger 17:32:33 266 17:39:42 429 1749 829 1798

3 Capi (322396)[911] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Bard 17:32:52 285 17:39:42 410 1749 122 288

4 Jutebox (261540)[909] Bregan D`Aerth 56 Bard 17:33:58 351 17:39:20 322 1749 0 0

5 Daxik (343369)[901] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Cleric 17:36:55 528 17:39:42 167 1749 0 5365

#1 is the Taken tag, 2/3/4 is our pull team, and 5 is the first person on ogre island to show up on the logs. So nearly 9 minutes elapsed between Taken tagging and a raid force engaging the fish (8minutes 48seconds if you really want to nitpick). The fish arrived at the raid 4minutes 26seconds after our tag and the team bee lined back to ogre island.

Logs don't lie, Taken kited but fret not young lawyers:

As per Sirken ~2 weeks ago, first on FTE list gets mob credit. We used to reason out things like that, that it would be impossible for 4 people to kill faydedar so BDA would have gotten the kill.

However, Sirken has ruled that we are taking all rational decisions out of FTE petitions. Whoever is first on the FTE list gets kill credit, regardless of situation. Unfortunately, whatever the case may be, Eratani was engaged in fay when your puller tagged it.

So go forth and kite, throw a single javelin at any target and get all the loot you can carry. You don't even need a raid force anymore! Rejoice!


just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing :)

[jtt25c]

Of course you conveniently forgot to post that he ended up giving you some water.

he put water in the trade window and was cothed away. I sent him a tell saying thank you for the water and he sent on back saying "fuck you"

[jtt25c]

Lol summon drink costs 10 mana. How fucking bad at life do you have to be to log out with less than 10 mana and no water. As the old saying goes, a lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.

you might have trouble comprehending complex ideas, i will try to help. I am a mage. I always just summon my own water. I took an afk after after logging in so i was thirsty. I got an unexpected rez on a corpse I left in chardok. 0 mana and no mana regen. You can say thats poor planning, sure. But the way your entire guild acted to some random person, was immature and pretty BDGay.

[juliar0berts]

well one less in BDA then. now we just need the rest of them

[White Ranger]

just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing :)

Hehehehehe

[juliar0berts]

just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing :)

Love it! BDA can suck it!

[Archalen]

grown ass men arguing elf politics, wewt

[arsenalpow]

just like i told you guys when u QQd, u need to send me proof. i dont just ban because player01 screams hax! second of all, 4 min is not an absurd amount of pull time. third, i dunno where u pulled that quote from, but if you think this has only been in effect for two weeks, youve been playing on a different server. Any raiding guild will tell you this was put into place shortly after the thanksgiving peace summit, so roughly, it's been the law of the land for 8 months... but thanks for playing :)

1) the logs should be proof enough when you consider point #2

2) you're right, 4 minutes is the proper time a pull should take, which is why it's puzzling that Taken pulled but had not yet engaged, and only after we tagged 4 minutes later did the fish start his 4+ minute dash to ogre island - thus the 9 minutes between Taken "FtE" and a raid force legitimately engaging the target which is double the amount of time it should have taken (heh). It could have been even longer had our pullers not found Fay.

3) that quote is from one of your guides - so either one can conclude that BDA isn't a raid guild thus we had no idea (that's a softball for the trolls) or these new standards weren't made public for all parties.

I only want an even playing field and right now it seems like the rules are changing every other day. I distinctly remember FE getting FTE on Cazic with a solo wizard and TMO killed him, but TMO kept the loot - same circumstances (FTE rules all!) different results. I know you/your staff have limited tools to work with but that's an easy call to make, it's blatant kiting.

[White Ranger]

BDA isn't a raid guild thus we had no idea

You should really start all your posts this way.

[Funkutron5000]

I agree on FTE sniping being shitty but it is hard to tell what way anything will be ruled at a given raid (FTE> all, or FTE with some room for discretion if it's determined the a viable engage wasn't going to happen). FTE shouts have definitely made things a lot easier to tell.

I can also see the issue for BDA here with the way the Fay pull works. If they had no clue Fay had been tagged and didn't see the Fish on the way to the island, How in the world would they know it had been tagged 4 minutes prior? You'd hope that with a competing raid force in zone the puller would at least have the wherewithal to turn North and at least start running towards Ogre Island.

[arsenalpow]

Pretty sure I know the incident you're talking about, and if so, I ruled on it, and awarded loot to TMO because it was obvious the wizard (a gnome IIRC) was FTE sniping.

And it was absolutely the right call. They shouldn't have been awarded the kill based on some bullshit FTE snipe. That's why sirken's ruling irked, me because of the words "removing rational thought." Taken had no intention of pulling the mob so soon because they were rezzing, they didn't even let us know that it was tagged (which we promptly notified them as soon as we tagged) and had only 4 people on the engage list overall (3 of which only for the last 2 seconds Fay was alive)

If we're removing all rational thought, then lets say that. It makes staff life easier because you just look at a log, assign loot, and ignore everything else - but don't expect me to stomach that ruling after we played by the rules only to be told the rules were changed but weren't informed.

[getsome]

If this occurred post shout, then your initially puller should have known someone else had agro, and petitioned properly if Fay was suspected of being kited.

[Funkutron5000]

I think the FTE shout has the range of a /say, but I'm not sure. If that's the case, it would definitely be easy to miss.

[arsenalpow]

If this occurred post shout, then your initially puller should have known someone else had agro, and petitioned properly if Fay was suspected of being kited.

Our ranger put an arrow into him that missed from max bow range and the fish came directly for him, we didnt see a message but assumed that he was just too far out of range to see it considering that Fay didn't hesitate to chase our puller. We didn't peel it with a mallet or something, and Fay was near firepots at the time of the pull and wasn't heading north. All signs pointed to a clean engage.

[Thana8088]

If this occurred post shout, then your initially puller should have known someone else had agro, and petitioned properly if Fay was suspected of being kited.

Yeah, but BDA can't be bothered to petition. They prefer to vigilante it up and KS.

[Alarti0001]

1) the logs should be proof enough when you consider point #2

2) you're right, 4 minutes is the proper time a pull should take, which is why it's puzzling that Taken pulled but had not yet engaged, and only after we tagged 4 minutes later did the fish start his 4+ minute dash to ogre island - thus the 9 minutes between Taken "FtE" and a raid force legitimately engaging the target which is double the amount of time it should have taken (heh). It could have been even longer had our pullers not found Fay.

3) that quote is from one of your guides - so either one can conclude that BDA isn't a raid guild thus we had no idea (that's a softball for the trolls) or these new standards weren't made public for all parties.

I only want an even playing field and right now it seems like the rules are changing every other day. I distinctly remember FE getting FTE on Cazic with a solo wizard and TMO killed him, but TMO kept the loot - same circumstances (FTE rules all!) different results. I know you/your staff have limited tools to work with but that's an easy call to make, it's blatant kiting.

Prove that Fay is only a 4 min pull.

[Lanuven]

The rules are constantly changing based on the different GM's at the time. When we had Sev tagged and pulling to camp once, IB pulled it off our pullers and GM ruled it wasn't first to engage, it was first to get the mob to their camp. Everything is different now and "raid guilds," who aren't part of the constant GM rulings don't know the rules anymore. And the rules that are posted on the forums are not in clear sight, so you must go dredging through RNF to find them.

No thanks.

[Sirken]

1) the logs should be proof enough when you consider point #2

2) you're right, 4 minutes is the proper time a pull should take, which is why it's puzzling that Taken pulled but had not yet engaged, and only after we tagged 4 minutes later did the fish start his 4+ minute dash to ogre island - thus the 9 minutes between Taken "FtE" and a raid force legitimately engaging the target which is double the amount of time it should have taken (heh). It could have been even longer had our pullers not found Fay.

3) that quote is from one of your guides - so either one can conclude that BDA isn't a raid guild thus we had no idea (that's a softball for the trolls) or these new standards weren't made public for all parties.

I only want an even playing field and right now it seems like the rules are changing every other day. I distinctly remember FE getting FTE on Cazic with a solo wizard and TMO killed him, but TMO kept the loot - same circumstances (FTE rules all!) different results. I know you/your staff have limited tools to work with but that's an easy call to make, it's blatant kiting.


ok, i'll bite.

1) the logs showed Taken as having FTE, which is why they were awarded the mob, and its loots.

2) i guess i'll repeat myself.. Again, we dont ban players just because randomplayer01 cries cheats. i need actual proof that they delayed your guild by kiting the mob.

3A) i looked it up, it was from Zade. he primarily serves on the red server, but with all the petitions that blue server players sent in during the DoS i asked him to spend more time on blue as i was essentially soloing the server petition queue and didnt have much juice left. Zade may have been made aware of the issue two weeks ago prior to his post, however the guilds that raid are all well aware of the stance on this as it has been in place for at least 8 months.

3B) if there was a situation that received a staff ruling that was not consistent with previous rulings, then you need to bring it to MY attention. not Ephi, not Rogean, not Nilbog, not Zade, not Ambrotos, not Papaver (Unless you feel it was me that ruled inconsistently or unfairly, at which time you are encouraged to bring it to another GM). i can't read minds (regardless of all the effort ive put in), so if players don't tell me things, i have no idea. most times, if something happens and im MIA another staff member will come in, look at the situation, and use common sense to do the right thing. and if you follow the law of common sense, Ephi made a 100% accurate decision. furthermore, before Ephi was put in charge of the Anti Hacks/Cheats/Scams/RMT, FTE was exactly the way he treated it. and while i probably should have taken the time to let him know the change when i told the players, i simply did not make Ephi aware, and so that is my fault, not his. the only problem with the common sense system is that the decision is left up to staff discretion to make the right call, and that invites claims of GM favoritism, Staff Corruption, and other tinfoil hat talking points that players bring up when things dont go their way. 8 months ago i removed staff discretion from the equation, because right or wrong, i prefer a system that doesnt invite accusations which call into question the integrity of this staff.

3C) the rules havent changed, either you were MIA, or there was another guild officer that was told, or, your guild was non existent around that time. unless you've been under a rock for 8 months, theres really no reason for you not to be aware of this. 8 months man. its not like it was just ninja added. you have an even playing field, much more so than with previous staff that have held my position. and finally again, if you make an accusation the burden on proof falls on you.

you can scream rule breakers all you want, but without proof, it falls on deaf ears.

[arsenalpow]

ok, i'll bite.

1) the logs showed Taken as having FTE, which is why they were awarded the mob, and its loots.

2) i guess i'll repeat myself.. Again, we dont ban players just because randomplayer01 cries cheats. i need actual proof that they delayed your guild by kiting the mob.

3A) i looked it up, it was from Zade. he primarily serves on the red server, but with all the petitions that blue server players sent in during the DoS i asked him to spend more time on blue as i was essentially soloing the server petition queue and didnt have much juice left. Zade may have been made aware of the issue two weeks ago prior to his post, however the guilds that raid are all well aware of the stance on this as it has been in place for at least 8 months.

3B) if there was a situation that received a staff ruling that was not consistent with previous rulings, then you need to bring it to MY attention. not Ephi, not Rogean, not Nilbog, not Zade, not Ambrotos, not Papaver (Unless you feel it was me that ruled inconsistently or unfairly, at which time you are encouraged to bring it to another GM). i can't read minds (regardless of all the effort ive put in), so if players don't tell me things, i have no idea. most times, if something happens and im MIA another staff member will come in, look at the situation, and use common sense to do the right thing. and if you follow the law of common sense, Ephi made a 100% accurate decision. furthermore, before Ephi was put in charge of the Anti Hacks/Cheats/Scams/RMT, FTE was exactly the way he treated it. and while i probably should have taken the time to let him know the change when i told the players, i simply did not make Ephi aware, and so that is my fault, not his. the only problem with the common sense system is that the decision is left up to staff discretion to make the right call, and that invites claims of GM favoritism, Staff Corruption, and other tinfoil hat talking points that players bring up when things dont go their way. 8 months ago i removed staff discretion from the equation, because right or wrong, i prefer a system that doesnt invite accusations which call into question the integrity of this staff.

3C) the rules havent changed, either you were MIA, or there was another guild officer that was told, or, your guild was non existent around that time. unless you've been under a rock for 8 months, theres really no reason for you not to be aware of this. 8 months man. its not like it was just ninja added. you have an even playing field, much more so than with previous staff that have held my position. and finally again, if you make an accusation the burden on proof falls on you.

you can scream rule breakers all you want, but without proof, it falls on deaf ears.

1) you're right, Taken had FTE based on your logs - your tools are limited, I get that.

2) the logs are the proof. This isn't sour grapes and randoming QQing. The logs show our tag + an ogre island engage thus yielding a fair transit time for that pull. That amount of time is equal to the span of time between Taken FTE and our tag. One could conclude that Fay should have been engaged roughly 4 to 5 minutes after a tag yet it wasn't. Do I need a smoking gun of someone following Eratani/Fay spamming sense heading while frapsing it? It's exhausting; not only do you have to beat the competition but you need a force of cameramen and lawyers afterwords.

3abc) I understand your logic, you're trying to negate the accusatory/favoritism bullshit thats pervasive on this server but by excluding rational thought it only fuels that fire. It's a thankless job and you have limited tools but removing logic from the equation is asinine especially when the logs are relatively conclusive. If these are the new standards then you might as well broadcast it / make a sticky / update the current ruleset because as Lanuven pointed out this was basically on the downlow.

[Joroz]

During repop, Nuffwin (Known lying cheat and BDA Druid) knowingly and BLATANTLY NINJALOOTS a Venril Sathir druid epic stone off a mob that his guild absolutely did NOT kill.

Since all guilds have bad eggs, we need to make sure that BDA is held responsible and shamed for this trifling example of greed.

http://i.imgur.com/QCxCPYx.jpg

invite him to tmo then it will be like your guild member got the piece... i mean he is already on the same level.

[Alarti0001]

1) you're right, Taken had FTE based on your logs - your tools are limited, I get that.

2) the logs are the proof. This isn't sour grapes and randoming QQing. The logs show our tag + an ogre island engage thus yielding a fair transit time for that pull. That amount of time is equal to the span of time between Taken FTE and our tag. One could conclude that Fay should have been engaged roughly 4 to 5 minutes after a tag yet it wasn't. Do I need a smoking gun of someone following Eratani/Fay spamming sense heading while frapsing it? It's exhausting; not only do you have to beat the competition but you need a force of cameramen and lawyers afterwords.

3abc) I understand your logic, you're trying to negate the accusatory/favoritism bullshit thats pervasive on this server but by excluding rational thought it only fuels that fire. It's a thankless job and you have limited tools but removing logic from the equation is asinine especially when the logs are relatively conclusive. If these are the new standards then you might as well broadcast it / make a sticky / update the current ruleset because as Lanuven pointed out this was basically on the downlow.

2) but they aren't

[getsome]

When our pullers get fte shout, they also /shout in zone to let everyone know. I know its more of a gentleman thing to do but announcing you got FTE shout puts everyone in zone on notice so they do not interfere with your pull. Hopefully they will make FTE announcements a zone wide shout.

[khanable]

When our pullers get fte shout, they also /shout in zone to let everyone know. I know its more of a gentleman thing to do but announcing you got FTE shout puts everyone in zone on notice so they do not interfere with your pull. Hopefully they will make FTE announcements a zone wide shout.

For outdoor dragons they are adding zone-wide FTE shouts. There was a thread about it in the bugs section.

A welcomed addition, certainly.

[kotton05]

Sounds like an inexperienced pulling error.

While at jav range which is 250 I've seen the msg.. so you learned for next time I guess. What I don't get is I thought along with fte you needed at least more than a group or so on engage list or it's a snipe and ruled other way. Could be wrong tho.

[getsome]

A group pulling Fay, only seen TMO due that when all their pullers used to die trying to bring him in.

One or two pullers is sufficient.

[Servellious]

When our pullers get fte shout, they also /shout in zone to let everyone know. I know its more of a gentleman thing to do but announcing you got FTE shout puts everyone in zone on notice so they do not interfere with your pull. Hopefully they will make FTE announcements a zone wide shout.

TMO players shout FTE when they dont have it ( see gore troll pop ). But maybe at least all the None TMO guilds can do this.

[arsenalpow]

For outdoor dragons they are adding zone-wide FTE shouts. There was a thread about it in the bugs section.

A welcomed addition, certainly.
Which is helpful but wouldn't have mattered since we weren't even in zone when they had FTE. Of anything a recurring FTE needs to sound zone wife every 30 seconds or something.

Sounds like an inexperienced pulling error.

While at jav range which is 250 I've seen the msg.. so you learned for next time I guess. What I don't get is I thought along with fte you needed at least more than a group or so on engage list or it's a snipe and ruled other way. Could be wrong tho.
Archery range is much larger than jav range and I had full confidence in our pull team - one missed arrow and Fay chased, there was no reason to suspect that we were peeling Fay based on his location near firepots and his willingness to chase our ranger with only 1 missed arrow.

[kotton05]

I didn't mean a group pulling Fay... I meant on the engage list once pull is in camp...

[getsome]

do*

[arsenalpow]

Which is helpful but wouldn't have mattered since we weren't even in zone when they had FTE. If* anything a recurring FTE needs to sound zone wide* every 30 seconds or something.

*phone posting, sup.

[getsome]

you could duo or trio fay, so not very applicable to this situation.

[khanable]

I didn't mean a group pulling Fay... I meant on the engage list once pull is in camp...

There were no Taken that engaged; they were busy rezzing their dead from their previous unsuccessful attempt. We came into the zone with their naked clerics on our raft.

[kotton05]

What cucumbers said. That's sucks and cleared up what I was saying.

[getsome]

Which is helpful but wouldn't have mattered since we weren't even in zone when they had FTE. If* anything a recurring FTE needs to sound zone wide* every 30 seconds or something.

*phone posting, sup.

On your phone can you draw us a map of TD to illustrate where your raid was, where taken was, and the pull path.

Approximate travel times would also be welcome.

I think a screen shot of your puller with loc and time stamp when he initially engaged Fay would be pretty good evidence.

A mob being pulled would not loiter by the firepots unless perhaps they were pulling it there.

[Capi]

Prove it?

I could go on our guild emulator server, spawn Fay at the farthest SW just past firepots and Fay would be at ogre island just north of 4 minutes. I'm not going to do this because I've already done it to fight the original petition.

1 Eratani (22056)[872] (O) Taken 60 Druid 17:28:07 0 17:39:42 695 0 0 0

2 Lecompte (313663)[936] (O) Rapture 60 Ranger 17:32:33 266 17:39:42 429 1749 829 1798

3 Capi (322396)[911] Bregan D`Aerth 60 Bard 17:32:52 285 17:39:42 410 1749 122 288

4 Jutebox (261540)[909] Bregan D`Aerth 56 Bard 17:33:58 351 17:39:20 322 1749 0 0

5 Daxik (343369)[901] Bregan D`Aerth 59 Cleric 17:36:55 528 17:39:42 167 1749 0 5365

#1 is the Taken tag, 2/3/4 is our pull team, and 5 is the first person on ogre island to show up on the logs. So nearly 9 minutes elapsed between Taken tagging and a raid force engaging the fish (8minutes 48seconds if you really want to nitpick). The fish arrived at the raid 4minutes 26seconds after our tag and the team bee lined back to ogre island.

Logs don't lie, Taken kited but fret not young lawyers:



So go forth and kite, throw a single javelin at any target and get all the loot you can carry. You don't even need a raid force anymore! Rejoice!


The tag from Lecompte/myself took place roughly southeast of chessboard...lets approximate -7500 on the Y axis. To go from -7500 and travel to +5500 (12000 location points) took 4 minutes 26 seconds. Eratani could of tagged Faydedar in the Overthere and have it arrive in the 9ish minutes. So...yea

[getsome]

Perhaps the powers that be could code in location stamps on those agro lists. Would probable provide the customer service staff with better information to make informed decisions.

When are the players going to get access to fte / agro information on mobs. Would be great to have real time access via a web page where we could just plug in the mob id and see the data.

[Capi]

The tag from Lecompte/myself took place roughly southeast of chessboard...lets approximate -7500 on the Y axis. To go from -7500 and travel to +5500 (12000 location points) took 4 minutes 26 seconds. Eratani could of tagged Faydedar in the Overthere and have it arrive in the 9ish minutes. So...yea

Also, from bottom right hand corner of map (-13000, -7000) an approximate pull is 19000 location points. That doesn't take 9 minutes either.

[Jarnauga]

Taken can't kill the easiest dragon out there with 40 people uncontested.

Please keep on talking shit :rolleyes:

[getsome]

The tag from Lecompte/myself took place roughly southeast of chessboard...lets approximate -7500 on the Y axis. To go from -7500 and travel to +5500 (12000 location points) took 4 minutes 26 seconds. Eratani could of tagged Faydedar in the Overthere and have it arrive in the 9ish minutes. So...yea

Was the pull in the SE or SW, Chest claimed it was by the Firepots in his initial post.

We find Fay out near firepots and get him tagged.

[Cecily]

BDA and Taken should yell at each other in their own thread. This one's about BDA ninjas.

[sanforce]

I believe that BDA probably got screwed on this Faydedar situation. Zone wide FTE shouts will help clear this up, but there isn't much you can do to if someone else is already kiting the mob. In that case, there needs to be some sort of "max time" allotted to each outdoor dragon for pulling. I would say it would be in the time frame of maximum time for mob to go from 1 corner of the map to the opposite corner (adds a little time in case the puller gets a little lost). If you pump a jav or an arrow and don't get an FTE message, start the clock and forcibly take agro when the time is up. Then /petition and get the filthy kiter a suspension.

[Capi]

Was the pull in the SE or SW, Chest claimed it was by the Firepots in his initial post.

Southeast of chessboard island. I initially tried to SS helm eyeball and bring him back but couldn't catch up to it/gain agro as it was running away from us towards the southeast...therefore Lecompte out ran me with selos to snag with his arrow. After I clicked off my eyeball cause I couldn't even see the damn thing anymore..I caught up with Lecompte and tagged him with selos and we ran north to our raid.

[Nirgon]

Druids are bad. Rangers are good. Shit is classic.

[JayN]

The community needs to come together form gimpatron and try and best TMO

[Alarti0001]

On your phone can you draw us a map of TD to illustrate where your raid was, where taken was, and the pull path.



Need Perun for all map-making

[Tiggles]

The community needs to come together form gimpatron and try and best TMO

They tried that, look at what happened to FE.

The few people who got the loot used it as a stepping stone to join TMO/IB or just RMT off the server

[radditsu]

Can I play on the BDA emulated server?

[radditsu]

They tried that, look at what happened to FE.

The few people who got the loot used it as a stepping stone to join TMO/IB or just RMT off the server

Lies I used it to fuck with TMO. It's much better than any loot.

[arsenalpow]

Can I play on the BDA emulated server?

Vandalize runs Prime EQ, he can probably hook you up with some goodies

[Eccezan]

Nuffwin confirmed retagged BDA. Bumping thread for renewed hatred.

[quido]

*6th

[arsenalpow]

Nuffwin confirmed retagged BDA. Bumping thread for renewed hatred.

not that I know of

[Veteran]

Bump this thread to support Nuffwin getting well deserved epic.

[Nirgon]

wb, s'like you never left

loot them pixels

[Tasslehofp99]

During repop, Nuffwin (Known lying cheat and BDA Druid) knowingly and BLATANTLY NINJALOOTS a Venril Sathir druid epic stone off a mob that his guild absolutely did NOT kill.

Since all guilds have bad eggs, we need to make sure that BDA is held responsible and shamed for this trifling example of greed.

http://i.imgur.com/QCxCPYx.jpg

The only trifling example of greed is the fact that TMO still creates RNF threads over a mob that they've killed more than any guild on the server. They still need VS stones? What for? lol Greed to me is more obvious from the fact that TMO feels they are entitled to lock out the rest of the server from items so that they can sell MQ's to make more plat. This post is pathetic.

[Alarti0001]

The only trifling example of greed is the fact that TMO still creates RNF threads over a mob that they've killed more than any guild on the server. They still need VS stones? What for? lol Greed to me is more obvious from the fact that TMO feels they are entitled to lock out the rest of the server from items so that they can sell MQ's to make more plat. This post is pathetic.

TMO has given away more loot, raid targets than FE ever looted/killed.

[Tasslehofp99]

TMO has given away more loot, raid targets than FE ever looted/killed.

Sorry but Orb of Tishan's and Withered totems of the widdershins don't count. OP claims there was a display of greeed on the part of BDA/Nuffwin. In my eyes the only greed to be seen was the fact that TMO still goes after VS to sell MQ's/loot. Your fucking guild looks like a fat greedy pig to the rest of the server, deal with it.

[Tycko]

Raid Reagents are not free Sir Tasslehof, surely you of all people know this. Someone has to pay the bills!

[Anichek]

not that I know of

Confirmed is not retagged BDA.

[eqgmrdbz]

Late to this thread, but just a thought.

What Nuffwin did was wrong, also what TMO does is also morally wrong. If it was an epic piece for another alt, or sell-able MQ piece, then we can all agree thats messed up. People will say WTH, its a game and someone has to win, and those that dont will always complain. I agree someone has to win, but there is also something about being a douche.

There really is now way to control this: IF you limit epics, then TMO will just loot and MQ sell items, peeps still dont get their stuff. IF you limit a guild size, then TMO will split up and have many small guilds working together.

What i got from this thread, as a nobody. "Ohh something..something TMO", "What someone ninja looted them..lol", "He didnt get away with it...darn", " Ohh well life goes on".

[Tasslehofp99]

Raid Reagents are not free Sir Tasslehof, surely you of all people know this. Someone has to pay the bills!

Sure, but you don't need to monopolize about 80-95% of the content on a server for 2 years and then sell everything you collect while CONTINUING to lock other guilds out of said content so that the only way they can get upgrades is by purchasing it from your guild.


Furthermore, eccezan's claim of greed on the part of BDA/Nuffwin was a complete joke coming from any member of TMO (specifically Eccezan himself, who is in charge of selling TMO's epic MQ's/dragon loots.)

[Alarti0001]

Sorry but Orb of Tishan's and Withered totems of the widdershins don't count. OP claims there was a display of greeed on the part of BDA/Nuffwin. In my eyes the only greed to be seen was the fact that TMO still goes after VS to sell MQ's/loot. Your fucking guild looks like a fat greedy pig to the rest of the server, deal with it.

Umm we have lots of alts who still need druid epics :) Mine included. Show me where we are selling MQ of vs stones. Thx.

[Tasslehofp99]

Umm we have lots of alts who still need druid epics :) Mine included. Show me where we are selling MQ of vs stones. Thx.

Looks like you missed out:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110331

[Acrux Bcrux]

Looks like you missed out:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110331

RO FUCKING FL!

[Tasslehofp99]

Zeelot must have really needed that 1.1 million plat. TMO, guildleader sells MQ's its members still need then complains when it has one ninja looted. ROFL!!!!

[Calabee]

wow 800k for a fucking VS stone, and tiggles is trying to get one freely away to an unguilded druid just because ''they're awesome''

come on velious already.

[eqgmrdbz]

Wow ....Alarti0001 i dont know you, but i have now penciled you right under Hitler, you are a fucking turd on a crap plate.

[Tasslehofp99]

Umm we have lots of alts who still need druid epics :) Mine included. Show me where we are selling MQ of vs stones. Thx.

Looks like you missed out:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110331


Get fucked by your own guild leader.

Wow ....Alarti0001 i dont know you, but i have now penciled you right under Hitler, you are a fucking turd on a crap plate.


Rofl.

[Langrisser]

oh snap... LOS HO MBRES MYST--EEEEE---KA!

[Alarti0001]

Wow ....Alarti0001 i dont know you, but i have now penciled you right under Hitler, you are a fucking turd on a crap plate.

I enjoy your qualified opinion!

[Alarti0001]

Get fucked by your own guild leader.






I never put in for a VS stone... cause Druid epic kinda blows :P

[Acrux Bcrux]

I never put in for a VS stone... cause Druid epic kinda blows :P

Alarti trying to cover up the fact that he just got fucking owned.

[Sarius]

So you say you still have an alt that needs it, but you don't want it because the epc blows...so you don't need it?

[Peekae]

Needs it probably. Doesn't want to spend precious DKP's would be my guess

[Tasslehofp99]

Sure, but you don't need to monopolize about 80-95% of the content on a server for 2 years and then sell everything you collect while CONTINUING to lock other guilds out of said content so that the only way they can get upgrades is by purchasing it from your guild.


Furthermore, eccezan's claim of greed on the part of BDA/Nuffwin was a complete joke coming from any member of TMO (specifically Eccezan himself, who is in charge of selling TMO's epic MQ's/dragon loots.)

Umm we have lots of alts who still need druid epics :) Mine included. Show me where we are selling MQ of vs stones. Thx.

Looks like you missed out:
http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110331

I never put in for a VS stone... cause Druid epic kinda blows :P


And now what we have here folks is a classic example of alarti talking nonsense out of his ass.

The fact is alarti there is no justification for the way your guild treats this server. You guys are greedy fucks, its no suprise that half the server celebrates when TMO gets a taste of their own medicine.

TMO has ninja looted tons of mobs that weren't theirs to loot in the past year. Before FTE shouts were in TMO would just KS mobs loot the items and waste more of the GMS time by requiring them to check encounter logs for fte when they very well knew it wasn't their mob to begin with.

Yet you see them here crucifying a bda druid for doing the same back to them.
They claim to support training in VP to lessen the work load on GM's yet their guild ia the sole creator of drama and raid disputes on p99.


TMO as a guild collectively makes p99 a worse place to play with their antics but still expects to be respected by the players they regularly shit on. And when they are exposed for the scum they are they act like alarti/ecceZan have on this thread.


You guys are lucky that the entire server hasn't just made a guild named "phuck TMO" and parked 250 toons at everysingle mobs spawn point.

Perhaps its time we get that serverwide batphone going afterall.

[NegaStoat]

Alarti trying to cover up the fact that he just got fucking owned.

Read the whole exchange. God I laughed - it's like we had a Systolic moment all over again.

[Tasslehofp99]

Read the whole exchange. God I laughed - it's like we had a Systolic moment all over again.

Confirmed here first, alarti is actually really systolic.

[Eccezan]

And now what we have here folks is a classic example of alarti talking nonsense out of his ass.

The fact is alarti there is no justification for the way your guild treats this server. You guys are greedy fucks, its no suprise that half the server celebrates when TMO gets a taste of their own medicine.

TMO has ninja looted tons of mobs that weren't theirs to loot in the past year. Before FTE shouts were in TMO would just KS mobs loot the items and waste more of the GMS time by requiring them to check encounter logs for fte when they very well knew it wasn't their mob to begin with.

Yet you see them here crucifying a bda druid for doing the same back to them.
They claim to support training in VP to lessen the work load on GM's yet their guild ia the sole creator of drama and raid disputes on p99.


TMO as a guild collectively makes p99 a worse place to play with their antics but still expects to be respected by the players they regularly shit on. And when they are exposed for the scum they are they act like alarti/ecceZan have on this thread.


You guys are lucky that the entire server hasn't just made a guild named "phuck TMO" and parked 250 toons at everysingle mobs spawn point.

Perhaps its time we get that serverwide batphone going afterall.

Tasslehof: I would respond to your points, but I make it a point not to argue with retarded people.

You are quite fun to troll enough to make you post the stupid shit you do regularly though.

[Tasslehofp99]

Don't forget to pay your taxes eccezan, you don't want to end up like wesley snipes.


If i were you i would be less concerned with me and worry bout dat guild leader of yours selling 1.1 million plat MQ's when people in TMO still need em.

I can't believe people app to TMO knowing that the officers/leader sell loot that members still need.

[quido]

lol worry about your own guild, Tasslehof

[Tasslehofp99]

lol worry about your own guild, Tasslehof

I'm just trying to point out the hypocrisy on eccezans part in creating this thread.

Also in the process I happened to make alarti look like a moron pretty much by accident, also just showing the future TMO apps what they getting into. They should know TMO's leadership sells items that TMO members still need.

[quido]

Tasslehoff needs a druid epic - just don't really want it.

[quido]

hi there p-niner!

how are you?

[Strifer]

I really want a forty now

[weh8you]

Umm we have lots of alts who still need druid epics :) Mine included. Show me where we are selling MQ of vs stones. Thx.

hahahahah owned himself.

[Acrux Bcrux]

Don't forget to pay your taxes eccezan, you don't want to end up like wesley snipes


Best shit i read all day. Thanks for the laugh Tass lmao.

[quido]

it's funny because your guildmate said it!

[Acrux Bcrux]

copy past it jeremy and ill say it again

[Waedawen]

Since fucking when do items actually get removed for ninja looting

[Xadion]

hehehe

maximus tells you 'are you not entertained?!'

after this thread, I am as hell am!!

[zel]

oh wow this is pretty great now

[finalgrunt]

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