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Reapin
08-08-2013, 11:15 AM
Time to kill multi questing. When the average player has zero chance of doing a quest because of greedy farmers, the game is broken. When your best chance of getting your epic is buying the mq, the game is broken.
Norathorr
08-08-2013, 11:16 AM
Although the proposition is not classic I would have to say I agree with this.
Swish
08-08-2013, 11:18 AM
http://i.imgur.com/zUoc2IA.gif
...and even so, too late to change now?
Reapin
08-08-2013, 11:24 AM
Guess what? P99 is not classic. It is classic-esque .. Using classic as an excuse to keep flaws that fulfill your greed while screwing others out of a fun time is not a valid argument.
While I do think disabling MQ would be a good idea, your poll options are awful and belong in R&F.
Barkingturtle
08-08-2013, 11:31 AM
Leveling past twenty would increase your odds of completing your epic quest.
Dermis
08-08-2013, 11:32 AM
Despite having a Ranger that would love his epics.. I wouldn't get rid of MQ. Then again it doesn't make the game less fun for me not to have them. Pixels weren't one of the main reasons I came to this server, but perhaps I'm in the minority.
Things should open up a bit when Velious arrives. Maybe I'll have a change of heart if they don't, but it remains to be seen.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 11:33 AM
Sig needs update
ncapatina
08-08-2013, 11:38 AM
The goal is to make this server is classic as possible. If you want to play a server with different rules than classic EQ, go find another place. Why is this hard for people to grasp? Nothing is going to get "improved" or redefined. If it is a good idea or not is irrelevant, as is this poll.
White Ranger
08-08-2013, 11:39 AM
If MQing were disabled TMO will simply destroy epic drops so quit complaining you filthy casuals. Just be happy you can still buy your epics once you farm half a million plat.
Barkingturtle
08-08-2013, 11:41 AM
Despite having a Ranger that would love his epics..
On Live I never would have obtained my ranger's epic if not for a friend MQ'ing the Shattered Emerald for me.
MQ is about sharing, friends--not greed.
The goal is to make this server is classic as possible. If you want to play a server with different rules than classic EQ, go find another place. Why is this hard for people to grasp? Nothing is going to get "improved" or redefined. If it is a good idea or not is irrelevant, as is this poll.
Developers have made non-classic changes to make the server more 'in the spirit' of classic. Two prominent examples:
1) The Ivandyr's Hoop nerf. People were using these to take down bosses very quickly. While the functionality was classic, in classic people didn't do this because of a lack of knowledge about the power of these earrings and knowledge of how to recharge them. Why did the devs nerf it? Because taking down monsters in this way was not classic, even if the functionality that allowed it was classic. If people back on live had figured this out, it would have been nerfed back then as well.
2) Variance. The raid scene here is way more top-heavy than it was on live due to the slower timeline. As I understand it, devs have done various things with variance to try to decrease some of the issues relating to this. Whether or not you like the changes (most people don't), the fact of the matter is that this is a non-classic change made to combat issues specific to this server.
MQ is another issue that is way more prominent here than it was on live, so it makes sense to talk about removing it.
Curious as to what coveted mobs you think would be left up should MQs be disabled?
Realistically, you're looking at shaman, rogue, cleric, and monk epic.
The cleric epic is probably the only one of these 4 with contested mobs. Unfortunately, the removal of MQ'n will not stop people from killing Ragefire every 24 hours - his drop table is worth farming without selling the epic.
Unlike the cleric epic, the rogue epic is farmed for the cash from the MQ - Edge of the Nightwalker is really just a secondary reward here. Even with the amount of rogue MQs for sale, the mobs are on such a short timer that they're almost always up. I think I've sold 7 Rogue MQs and have had to wait for Eldreth once. Yendar is an 8 hour spawn, but he's usually up. He's also killed for his SMR. Nerfing MQs just means you sell loot rights to General. I guess if you would nerf Kedge Robe MQs along with the Epic MQs, you could stop most rogue MQs.
Monk epics are mostly sold via demon fangs. 2-3 hour respawn on the turn in mobs mean they're pretty much always up. The big thing is that Demon Fangs are sold as loot rights so the MQ change really only hinders monks from getting Immortals and Pipes MQd.
Shaman Epic - the tear is the entire quest. Again, you're talking about loot rights here. Nerfing MQ won't change tear sales.
Of the 4 epics that are sold, only 3 of them (monk, rogue, shaman) could not effortless switch to loot rights. The remaining 1 is going to be farmed due to Ragefire's loot table.
ncapatina
08-08-2013, 11:59 AM
Developers have made non-classic changes to make the server more 'in the spirit' of classic. Two prominent examples:
1) The Ivandyr's Hoop nerf. People were using these to take down bosses very quickly. While the functionality was classic, in classic people didn't do this because of a lack of knowledge about the power of these earrings and knowledge of how to recharge them. Why did the devs nerf it? Because taking down monsters in this way was not classic, even if the functionality that allowed it was classic. If people back on live had figured this out, it would have been nerfed back then as well.
2) Variance. The raid scene here is way more top-heavy than it was on live due to the slower timeline. As I understand it, devs have done various things with variance to try to decrease some of the issues relating to this. Whether or not you like the changes (most people don't), the fact of the matter is that this is a non-classic change made to combat issues specific to this server.
MQ is another issue that is way more prominent here than it was on live, so it makes sense to talk about removing it.
You're talking about two small very changes to specific imbalancing things versus a change altering a core game mechanic (mq'ing). Again I will state what I did originally, the goal is to be as classic as possible. Will there be occasions where changes are needed? Of course, you stated two of those such occasions. I'm sure there will be others. This, no matter how much it sucks you can't get your loot, is not a game inbalancing thing that requires a change.
sanforce
08-08-2013, 12:03 PM
Dumb idea, not classic, newbie, derp.
But in all seriousness, this would just make it more difficult for many to obtain their epic. This game is hard enough as is, why make it worse?
Dermis
08-08-2013, 12:10 PM
On Live I never would have obtained my ranger's epic if not for a friend MQ'ing the Shattered Emerald for me.
MQ is about sharing, friends--not greed.
I've seen the MQs for the Ranger epic being auctioned in EC at 800k and 300k. Everything CAN be about greed.
But I didn't say it should be turned off or the server was full of greed to begin with, so I'm not sure why I'm quoted. Haha.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:11 PM
All mq'ing needs to go. Jboots, epics all of it.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:13 PM
Dumb idea, not classic, newbie, derp.
But in all seriousness, this would just make it more difficult for many to obtain their epic. This game is hard enough as is, why make it worse?
If you want easy go play wow.
Pringles
08-08-2013, 12:15 PM
Kunark era is old therefor epics are old, everyone and their dog has one - don't be jelly
zanderklocke
08-08-2013, 12:18 PM
The funny thing about this thread is that your main is by far the easiest class to obtain an epic, even at a super low price.
On a serious note, I dunno, I'm not sure removing MQable epics would help the server though much. Maybe this would mean people would be nice and let me loot my Trakanon guts, but I'm not sure. Furthermore, how could I obtain the high elf mask if I wasn't able to do some of the rogue epic?
My gut instinct was to vote option 1, which I did, but upon further reflection, I think my vote should be switched to option 2.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:24 PM
The only person I am jelly of is the guy who gets to slip it in Salma Hyak.
This is about wanting to experience the content the way it was intended to be experienced. Not having to deal with some farming douche bag.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:27 PM
The funny thing about this thread is that your main is by far the easiest class to obtain an epic, even at a super low price.
On a serious note, I dunno, I'm not sure removing MQable epics would help the server though much. Maybe this would mean people would be nice and let me loot my Trakanon guts, but I'm not sure. Furthermore, how could I obtain the high elf mask if I wasn't able to do some of the rogue epic?
My gut instinct was to vote option 1, which I did, but upon further reflection, I think my vote should be switched to option 2.
You could try making some friends or at least acquaintances.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:34 PM
On Live I never would have obtained my ranger's epic if not for a friend MQ'ing the Shattered Emerald for me.
MQ is about sharing, friends--not greed.
Perhaps 10% of the time it is about friends.
If you can't earn your epic, as intended, you don't deserve it.
joppykid
08-08-2013, 12:37 PM
Leveling past twenty would increase your odds of completing your epic quest.
Lol
duneadx
08-08-2013, 12:40 PM
Leveling past twenty would increase your odds of completing your epic quest.
Yep, this.
sulpher01
08-08-2013, 12:44 PM
Leveling past twenty would increase your odds of completing your epic quest.
Spitty
08-08-2013, 12:45 PM
Perhaps 10% of the time it is about friends.
If you can't earn your epic, as intended, you don't deserve it.
Where the fuck are you getting these statistics?
There's thousands of players on this server that you've never even talked to. I'm one of them.
So, hi. Nice to meet you. Stop trying to administrate my gaming experience.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:46 PM
Well past 20, ladies, don't worry.
Barkingturtle
08-08-2013, 12:49 PM
Perhaps 10% of the time it is about friends.
If you can't earn your epic, as intended, you don't deserve it.
Okay then.
Join TMO, track mobs for 200 hours a week and earn your pixels as intended.
Personally, if it were such a huge deal to me I'd do that rather than propose non-classic changes be enforced upon the entire server, thus limiting the means by which epics and other MQ'able items are obtained.
Frankly I don't think you're even being genuine in your desire to level the playing field. I think this is just a subversive recruitment advertisement for TMO since warm bodies are now needed worse-than-ever after the recent rules barring account sales. Well played dudes. Well played.
Portasaurus
08-08-2013, 12:49 PM
OK. What the fuck is an MQ and what is MQing? Sounds like everyone is complaning that people are selling epics? I thought epic weapons were no trade. I don't understand this game.
Spitty
08-08-2013, 12:50 PM
Well past 20, ladies, don't worry.
Adding up all of your character's levels doesn't count.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 12:51 PM
Where the fuck are you getting these statistics?
There's thousands of players on this server that you've never even talked to. I'm one of them.
So, hi. Nice to meet you. Stop trying to administrate my gaming experience.
My ass is very accurate. You can trust numbers I pull from it. Your desire for plat does not trump the playing experience of most of the server.
Gadwen
08-08-2013, 12:52 PM
You're talking about two small very changes to specific imbalancing things versus a change altering a core game mechanic (mq'ing). Again I will state what I did originally, the goal is to be as classic as possible. Will there be occasions where changes are needed? Of course, you stated two of those such occasions. I'm sure there will be others. This, no matter how much it sucks you can't get your loot, is not a game inbalancing thing that requires a change.
Yeah variance is definitely a very small and minor change, pretty much unnoticeable, doesn't change anything about the raid scene.
BTW, how do you go from.. "Nothing is going to get "improved" or redefined. If it is a good idea or not is irrelevant..." to "Will there be occasions where changes are needed? Of course"?
Missingo
08-08-2013, 12:53 PM
Everybody betray me I fed up with this world!
Spitty
08-08-2013, 12:55 PM
My ass is very accurate. You can trust numbers I pull from it. Your desire for plat does not trump the playing experience of most of the server.
Your ass has been nowhere to be found when I've MQ'd probably a dozen items.
Never sold a single one.
Your ass just got saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacked, lowbie.
NegaStoat
08-08-2013, 12:56 PM
OK. What the fuck is an MQ and what is MQing? Sounds like everyone is complaning that people are selling epics? I thought epic weapons were no trade. I don't understand this game.
MQ'ing involves a quest being completed from more than one person doing the turn-ins with a given NPC.
Example - Kizzy Mintop in the halfling town wants 30 gold pieces and 3 honeycombs and then she'll give you a Honey Jum. Extreme Noob Enchanter A turns in 3 honeycombs and 3 plat, which fails the quest. Burning with shame, they walk off because they think it's broken. Canny Pro Enchanter B walks up to Kizzy and hands in just 30 gold first, and gets the Honey Jum. The quest was "primed" by the first turn in, with the honeycombs held in limbo until the proper 30 gold pieces is given to her.
sulpher01
08-08-2013, 12:57 PM
Leveling past twenty-one would increase your odds of completing your epic quest.
Nocte
08-08-2013, 12:58 PM
Using classic as an excuse to keep flaws that fulfill your greed while screwing others out of a fun time is not a valid argument.
If I were one of the cool kids on the forums who collected quotes as signatures, this would be mine.
Portasaurus
08-08-2013, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the explanation! I had no idea you could turn things in piecemeal like that. So basically people meet up at an NPC, and someone pays someone else to hand in half of the quest junk?
MQ'ing involves a quest being completed from more than one person doing the turn-ins with a given NPC.
Example - Kizzy Mintop in the halfling town wants 30 gold pieces and 3 honeycombs and then she'll give you a Honey Jum. Extreme Noob Enchanter A turns in 3 honeycombs and 3 plat, which fails the quest. Burning with shame, they walk off because they think it's broken. Canny Pro Enchanter B walks up to Kizzy and hands in just 30 gold first, and gets the Honey Jum. The quest was "primed" by the first turn in, with the honeycombs held in limbo until the proper 30 gold pieces is given to her.
Rhuma7
08-08-2013, 01:07 PM
With only a couple quests being MQable in classic, MQing here isn't classic.
Each quest that is MQable on P99 has been made to be intentionally and deliberately.(nilbog has to code the ability for each quest)
The robe of the lost circle isn't MQable and it should be, along with a shitload more quests.
If anything, there needs to be more quests made to be MQable.
Being able to MQ isn't the problem, its people farming this shit to sell that is a problem.
There is nothing wrong with a guild selling epic pieces from raid mobs, since they are killing, for example, Venril Sathir for different reasons. Those who sell Demon Fang loot rights are the definition of the problem, although it isn't affecting anyone much.
The above is a hypocritical statement when it comes to Ragefire and has and always will be a problem epic.
If any change were to come from epic drops/farmage, I wish there could be a way to spawn these raid mobs that solely drop epic pieces, like venril sathir with a part of the epic quest chains. Due to classic propaganda, this will never be done since we have to work off of sony's short-sighted implementations, deal with it.
zanderklocke
08-08-2013, 01:12 PM
You could try making some friends or at least acquaintances.
Except for the fact that said friend would have to do the entire rogue epic and spawn the General while then allowing me to hand in a Stanos head which depops him. No one would do that amount of work, even for a friend, unless they were paid.
Oh wait, that's almost the same thing as paying for a MQ.
Like I understand where you're coming from in the sense that you don't think people should be selling epics for 500K, but there are too many circumstances like the one that would just be obnoxious if not everyone could just do the quests themselves as opposed to class only. The classic game was made the way it was; we all have to deal with the limitations and problems it brings. That's why we are playing Classic EverQuest.
If you really wanted to do this content without the hindrance of classic mechanics and an overpopulated server, just make a guild on Live that follows "classic rules" and will not use any items or conveniences that are beyond the scope of Velious. You'd never have any problem with people getting in the way of the mobs you want/need.
I read the OP as "I farmed all the plat I need from selling epic MQ, so would like this option stripped from others"
Kind of like the account sales thing.
Rhuma7
08-08-2013, 01:20 PM
I read the OP as "I farmed all the plat I need from selling epic MQ, so would like this option stripped from others"
Kind of like the account sales thing.
Account trading ban made me so sad :( Fucking scammers ruin everything.
kenzar
08-08-2013, 01:21 PM
Moved to RnF where this belongs.
OP is a faggot
Tattersail, Leader of the JIT
Gadwen
08-08-2013, 01:22 PM
Account trading ban made me so sad :( Fucking scammers ruin everything.
You have been around here long enough to know that the staff has always said that they didn't like it and it would eventually be banned. I don't know why people were surprised or upset about it.
Except for the fact that said friend would have to do the entire rogue epic and spawn the General while then allowing me to hand in a Stanos head which depops him. No one would do that amount of work, even for a friend, unless they were paid.
Oh wait, that's almost the same thing as paying for a MQ.
Like I understand where you're coming from in the sense that you don't think people should be selling epics for 500K, but there are too many circumstances like the one that would just be obnoxious if not everyone could just do the quests themselves as opposed to class only. The classic game was made the way it was; we all have to deal with the limitations and problems it brings. That's why we are playing Classic EverQuest.
If you really wanted to do this content without the hindrance of classic mechanics and an overpopulated server, just make a guild on Live that follows "classic rules" and will not use any items or conveniences that are beyond the scope of Velious. You'd never have any problem with people getting in the way of the mobs you want/need.
Literally all you need a rogue to do is pickpocket two notes for HE mask. Both are droppable. You can solo the rest except Stanos. Hit me up in game if you want a walkthrough.
Rhuma7
08-08-2013, 01:27 PM
You have been around here long enough to know that the staff has always said that they didn't like it and it would eventually be banned. I don't know why people were surprised or upset about it.
Yeah I know, just wish it would have gone a different route. I really enjoyed playing some of the accounts I bought and now, wish I wouldn't have sold 1 in particular :(
kenzar
08-08-2013, 01:28 PM
] Your desire for plat does not trump the playing experience of most of the server.
Lol, so dumb.
spoils
08-08-2013, 01:31 PM
lol no one will want to ban MQing when velious comes out and a shitton of "WTS Thurg Armor pieces, you provide gems!" threads...
Velious=salvation for the server.
Nirgon
08-08-2013, 01:32 PM
You really should try to MQ this stuff on EQMac or something re-epics. Or, for instance, trying MQing a rogue epic to a lvl 1.
kenzar
08-08-2013, 01:34 PM
lol no one will want to ban MQing when velious comes out and a shitton of "WTS Thurg Armor pieces, you provide gems!" threads...
Velious=salvation for the server.
No one wants MQing banned now. This thread is just some newb crying like a little girl because he can't compete for his camps with MQ'rs. Funny, because he cites that all he wants is to camp his own shit, but that's exactly what he can do now. Maybe it would help if you weren't level 20 Reapin.
Reapin
08-08-2013, 05:19 PM
No one wants MQing banned now. This thread is just some newb crying like a little girl because he can't compete for his camps with MQ'rs. Funny, because he cites that all he wants is to camp his own shit, but that's exactly what he can do now. Maybe it would help if you weren't level 20 Reapin.
I am not close to doing this quest. I am thinking ahead and would like something done before I get to that point. That is my selfish reason.
My other reason is because I always hear people bitching about not being able to do other quest because so and so is camping it 24/7.
Why should some fucking loser with no life be able ruin the game for others? Is it my fault they burned through content for every class already and the only thing they have to do in game is to farm shit and see how much plat they can accumulate? No it's not. So why should normal well adjusted people have their limited game time ruined by such losers? Is this server made for the many casual players or the few freaks with no lives? Let me know so I can quit now instead of wasting my time.
Pullyn
08-08-2013, 05:31 PM
I am not close to doing this quest. I am thinking ahead and would like something done before I get to that point. That is my selfish reason.
My other reason is because I always hear people bitching about not being able to do other quest because so and so is camping it 24/7.
Why should some fucking loser with no life be able ruin the game for others? Is it my fault they burned through content for every class already and the only thing they have to do in game is to farm shit and see how much plat they can accumulate? No it's not. So why should normal well adjusted people have their limited game time ruined by such losers? Is this server made for the many casual players or the few freaks with no lives? Let me know so I can quit now instead of wasting my time.
QQ. You might as well quit now. Things generally get harder and more complicated as you gain levels. Save yourself the time and quit now. It won't get any easier.
Barkingturtle
08-08-2013, 05:33 PM
Is this server made for the many casual players or the few freaks with no lives? Let me know so I can quit now instead of wasting my time.
I hate to break it to you but the whole fucking game is for no-life freaks. It's not just this iteration on this server--it's EQ.
myriverse
08-08-2013, 05:37 PM
I'd rather anyone under level 46 be immediately killed by the quest giver, if they even attempt to ask about it.
Kagatob
08-08-2013, 06:03 PM
Time to kill multi questing. When the average player has zero chance of doing a quest because of greedy farmers, the game is broken. When your best chance of getting your epic is buying the mq, the game is broken.
Joined 4 months ago.
Is level 20
You aren't qualified to represent the average player.
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