Saidar - The attention you didn't get tonight

[mmiles8]

My friend Jaladin has limited play time and that often comes with distractions. So he spends most of his time in EC, I regularly pick up items in my travels and he enjoys holding item give-aways for the lower levels there. Tonight I suggested we go to Gfay and help out the underpriveleged who are farther from the server's heart of commerce.

We had a good turnout, about 20 folks, most got items, all got buffs. Saidar saw fit to use it as a gold-mine of much needed attention, and attempted to disrupt it with Jboot spamming, and immature antics like this:

[Sun Jul 11 20:48:17 2010] Saidar says, 'the person to have the worst insult for Jaladin wins Savant's Cap - GO!'

The lower level folks were mature enough to ignore him. Eventually he went away, ignored by the folks who were more caught up in the enjoyable social event that it was.

I spoke to Norril, from his guild, while he was showing his ass. He felt that since jboot spamming was not against the rules it was fine by him, and that since he did give away an item he was justified in being a douche in the process.

It doesn't take a particularly brilliant individual to find ways to troll without breaking any rules. However, whether a person breaks rules or not, every action comes with consequences.

I have no interest in putting anyone on blast, or persuading anyone of my opinion on the matter. I feel like the community is the most important and definitive aspect of classic everquest. I spend a lot of my time looking for folks who are struggling, because I know how frustrating it is to be in need, and to have to find someone willing to help. Even if that person is so pitiful that they can't get someone to speak to them without resorting to this behavior.

If I saw you naked with a corpse in the middle of nowhere, I would still offer to help, because it might spark a redeeming quality in you, and it costs me nothing to give someone more respect than is due.

[Goobles]

I'd like to be the first to point out that you are giving him attention.

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[Evorix]

So you made a post about saidar bc he was spamming jboots and making comments??? Ignore him and move on. You're gonna be making a lot of posts if you continue playing... Sounds to me like you wanted to get noticed about your giveaway, which is perfectly fine but you try to bash someone to do it.

[Loke]

You sound like a good person and generous player - so kudos on that. However, I don't know what your insistence on bringing this to the boards is. The player you were talking to (Norril) brought this up when it happened and we were looking into it - in fact, it happened while a number of officers were in the middle of a separate discussion so we were actively talking about it when you decided to tell Norril essentially that you didn't want to waste your time with DA and were going to post this on the board regardless.

Personally I don't feel that his actions warrant any sort of serious reprimand as honestly, it is nothing more than a mild annoyance (if even that). However, as you were clearly bothered by it - at the very least we could have gotten him to stop doing it had you given us the opportunity.

The way I see this is that you were looking for an excuse to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[frefaln]

This is par for the course for DA members. If they're not acting like 9-year-olds they're officers suffering from delusions of grandeur while they "review the matter" (translation: give bad behavior a big stamp of approval and two thumbs up).

At some point some guild is going to emerge as one that is both accomplished and capable of filtering out disgusting people. Divinity's the closest I've seen to doing that so far.

[Evorix]

This is par for the course for DA members. If they're not acting like 9-year-olds they're officers suffering from delusions of grandeur while they "review the matter" (translation: give bad behavior a big stamp of approval and two thumbs up).

At some point some guild is going to emerge as one that is both accomplished and capable of filtering out disgusting people. Divinity's the closest I've seen to doing that so far.

Did DA do something to offend you? You say it has happened on many occasions, but have you ever talked to an officer about it? You are constantly bashing us and give no examples...

[Appollo]

This is par for the course for DA members. If they're not acting like 9-year-olds they're officers suffering from delusions of grandeur while they "review the matter" (translation: give bad behavior a big stamp of approval and two thumbs up).

At some point some guild is going to emerge as one that is both accomplished and capable of filtering out disgusting people. Divinity's the closest I've seen to doing that so far.

I hope we can change your perception of the guild. I am disappointed that you have had such poor experiences. As for the current matter: we have spoken to the individuals involved as well as others who were around during the situation and resolved the matter to our satisfaction. I apologize if that does not satisfy your thirst for justice, but that is all that we are going to discuss on the matter.

[thxer]

This the same awesome guy who's saying 'someone want to heal me if I duel him' in the Tranix thread? lolz

[G13]

This is par for the course for DA members. If they're not acting like 9-year-olds they're officers suffering from delusions of grandeur while they "review the matter" (translation: give bad behavior a big stamp of approval and two thumbs up).

At some point some guild is going to emerge as one that is both accomplished and capable of filtering out disgusting people. Divinity's the closest I've seen to doing that so far.

LOL get over yourself tard

[Charyz]

This is par for the course for DA members. If they're not acting like 9-year-olds they're officers suffering from delusions of grandeur while they "review the matter" (translation: give bad behavior a big stamp of approval and two thumbs up).

At some point some guild is going to emerge as one that is both accomplished and capable of filtering out disgusting people. Divinity's the closest I've seen to doing that so far.

Proof? Examples? Members you have specifically had an issue with?

Be happy to address and explain or deal with anything that has happened to you. Until you provide one of those, I am going to assume your view of our guild is based on what you have heard and made up your mind unfairly.

"Giving bad behavior a big stamp of approval and two thumbs up"... Any idea how many people we've booted for general asshattery? No, you have absolutely no clue because its much easier to just SAY we approve of it, than to have any real proof otherwise.

[Starklen]

Is DA going to dupe themselves a few more officers to handle this issue? I know a few of them are on vacation right now.

[Theldios]

I was one of the noobs there and 1 he was not spaming his Jboots 2 the only thing he did was make a couple comments for about 10 min and then left.
You are blowing this so out of proportion it is a joke.

[Appollo]

Is DA going to dupe themselves a few more officers to handle this issue? I know a few of them are on vacation right now.

Funny. Scathing, but funny nonetheless. What you're witnessing is a recent realignment, if you will, of the structure of the guild. As with any game, team, company, guild, and the like there is turnover. We are dealing with that turnover and hope to handle it in stride. I look forward to dealing with you and many others in the future.

[azeth]

I was one of the noobs there and 1 he was not spaming his Jboots 2 the only thing he did was make a couple comments for about 10 min and then left.
You are blowing this so out of proportion it is a joke.


AND THE TRUTH. SHALL. SET. YOU. FREE

[girth]

Any idea how many people we've booted for general asshattery?

GM suspensions/bans don't count.

[Charyz]

GM suspensions/bans don't count.

Quoted for originality.

[Aadill]

I feel the larger issue at hand is that there is a misunderstanding of the meaning of trolling. Too many times have I heard "TROLL!" and found myself disappointed in the quality of posts and actions found within this subforum and in game. Perhaps in the future we could better determine the course of action to take with an applicant/member, if it were even necessary to address the situation at all. You seem very offended and that has been recognized, but this seems very out of proportion.

I do appreciate your concern with one of our numbers. The disruption of the zonewide newbie giveaway that may have resulted from the actions of the overusage of a clickyitem is unfortunate. Hopefully this will not hinder your performance and generosity of future giveaway events!

[Appollo]

GM suspensions/bans don't count.

I see what you mean. However, one must keep in mind that some of the conduct of which individuals have been suspended or banned was conduct of which were not aware. Once we found out about it they were removed from the Guild. Moreover, some of the conduct was reported to the GMs by our own members. To be sure, not all of the offenses to which you refer that resulted in a suspension was conduct that we deemed necessary to remove an individual from the Guild. While you may not like that, it ultimately was something that we deemed insufficent to remove from the guild. Internal action was taken.

You may cry willful blindness. Perhaps you're right. Perhaps you're not. I cannot claim to know everything. All I can attest to is what I know and what I experienced. There are other instances to which Charyz refers of which you have no clue. Rest assured that we do not take our members acting indignantly lightly.

[Starklen]

Once we found out about it they were removed from the Guild. Moreover, some of the conduct was reported to the GMs by our own members. To be sure, not all of the offenses to which you refer that resulted in a suspension was conduct that we deemed necessary to remove an individual from the Guild. While you may not like that, it ultimately was something that we deemed insufficent to remove from the guild. Internal action was taken.


It seems pretty hard to take internal action when you have a guild leader and an officer core with no self control.

[Aadill]

Thank you for your opinions, Starklen. Your concerns are being addressed.

[Starklen]

Keep it real.

[Aadill]

That's the plan!

[Aeolwind]

My friend Jaladin has limited play time and that often comes with distractions. So he spends most of his time in EC, I regularly pick up items in my travels and he enjoys holding item give-aways for the lower levels there. Tonight I suggested we go to Gfay and help out the underpriveleged who are farther from the server's heart of commerce.

We had a good turnout, about 20 folks, most got items, all got buffs. Saidar saw fit to use it as a gold-mine of much needed attention, and attempted to disrupt it with Jboot spamming, and immature antics like this:

[Sun Jul 11 20:48:17 2010] Saidar says, 'the person to have the worst insult for Jaladin wins Savant's Cap - GO!'

The lower level folks were mature enough to ignore him. Eventually he went away, ignored by the folks who were more caught up in the enjoyable social event that it was.

I spoke to Norril, from his guild, while he was showing his ass. He felt that since jboot spamming was not against the rules it was fine by him, and that since he did give away an item he was justified in being a douche in the process.

It doesn't take a particularly brilliant individual to find ways to troll without breaking any rules. However, whether a person breaks rules or not, every action comes with consequences.

I have no interest in putting anyone on blast, or persuading anyone of my opinion on the matter. I feel like the community is the most important and definitive aspect of classic everquest. I spend a lot of my time looking for folks who are struggling, because I know how frustrating it is to be in need, and to have to find someone willing to help. Even if that person is so pitiful that they can't get someone to speak to them without resorting to this behavior.

If I saw you naked with a corpse in the middle of nowhere, I would still offer to help, because it might spark a redeeming quality in you, and it costs me nothing to give someone more respect than is due.

I like you more every post. Nice work on the events.

[Appollo]

It seems pretty hard to take internal action when you have a guild leader and an officer core with no self control.

I respectfully disagree that our guild leader has no self control. We're all human, after all, so the fact that he may have, at some time, said something that offends you or leads you to believe that he has no self control is your own concern. Perhaps what you mean is that he lacks some self control. If that's the case then I say to you: brilliant! Furthermore, who doesn't? We all lack a certain sense of self control in some situations. Alas, that is inevitable.

Insofar as your concern about our officer core having no self control: I refer you to my aforementioned comments on our guild leader. Moreover I would also direct you to my previous post wherein I mentioned we are going through something of a realignment.

[Starklen]

Didn't you recently get a character banned for boxing too? So where is the plan to realign a known duper out of your guild?

[Loke]

Didn't you recently get a character banned for boxing too? So where is the plan to realign a known duper out of your guild?

Appollo and other members of DA have been more than civil - you really need to stop going out of your way to pick a fight here. People coming here and intentionally taking cheap shots only hinder the relations between our guilds and cause more issues in game - which is something both sides are actively working on.

[G13]

Is DA going to dupe themselves a few more officers to handle this issue? I know a few of them are on vacation right now.

Why don't you ask Raren AKA Zaul who is trolling you in this thread

Wasn't he a member of IB too? Oh that's right

[Loke]

Lol Loke you guys will never get along Durison hates IB so much he cant even sit in the same voice chat with them without freaking out

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you - I think it is very possible for both guilds to get along. I personally get along with everyone in IB I know despite guild tensions. This may come as a shock to you, but some of the people who play here are capable of acting rational. In fact, I would say we're already moving in a hopeful direction.

[Goobles]

IB smells of elderberries

[Appollo]

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you - I think it is very possible for both guilds to get along. I personally get along with everyone in IB I know despite guild tensions. This may come as a shock to you, but some of the people who play here are capable of acting rational. In fact, I would say we're already moving in a hopeful direction.

I'll second that notion.

[Starklen]

Appollo and other members of DA have been more than civil - you really need to stop going out of your way to pick a fight here. People coming here and intentionally taking cheap shots only hinder the relations between our guilds and cause more issues in game - which is something both sides are actively working on.

They seemed like legitimate questions to me considering you seem to want to craft a new image.

[Appollo]

Didn't you recently get a character banned for boxing too? So where is the plan to realign a known duper out of your guild?

My account was banned for boxing, you are correct. I'd be happy to speak with you about the situation further if you wish to know some more details about it in PMs or in game. However, this thread is not the place to discuss it further.

[Starklen]

And Jayko, a player who was previously involved in duping, is also in the guild?

[Appollo]

And Jayko, a player who was previously involved in duping, is also in the guild?

Jayko was never involved with duping. That information is incorrect.

[Starklen]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Appollo]

Thanks for clearing that up.

In the event that you were referring to me: you're welcome. In the event you were sarcastically referring to Zaul: Lol

[Starklen]

Consider it both then.

[eqdruid76]

You sound like a good person and generous player - so kudos on that. However, I don't know what your insistence on bringing this to the boards is. The player you were talking to (Norril) brought this up when it happened and we were looking into it - in fact, it happened while a number of officers were in the middle of a separate discussion so we were actively talking about it when you decided to tell Norril essentially that you didn't want to waste your time with DA and were going to post this on the board regardless.

Personally I don't feel that his actions warrant any sort of serious reprimand as honestly, it is nothing more than a mild annoyance (if even that). However, as you were clearly bothered by it - at the very least we could have gotten him to stop doing it had you given us the opportunity.

The way I see this is that you were looking for an excuse to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

You'd be doing the SAME thing if someone spoiled your good time, and don't you deny it.

[Loke]

You'd be doing the SAME thing if someone spoiled your good time, and don't you deny it.

I will deny it. Denying it.