EQNext Discussion

[Tobras]

aw the ogres look bad

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

OMG FACIAL EXPRESSION!? FUCK THAT SHIT IM OUT. I LIKE MY PLAYERS TO BE SOUL-LESS

[Zanti]

Actual character models look like they escaped from a Dreamworks film.

Facial emotes are cool though. Hate the Kerrans.

[Norrath]

I just want to see how the chars move. Run animation is key.

[Tobras]

Hahah! Heroic movement! The new name for freestyle walking?

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

I WANT TO TAKE MANY SMALL HITS OF WORLD DAMAGE WHEN I GO DOWN AN INCLINE, NOT SLIDE. VERY NOT CLASSIC

[Norrath]

I WANT TO TAKE MANY SMALL HITS OF WORLD DAMAGE WHEN I GO DOWN AN INCLINE, NOT SLIDE. VERY NOT CLASSIC

Lol

[khanable]

The models are actually pretty good. Upset about the dumb fucking cat people, though. And ogre all jacked and mean looking. Dumb.

Would cyber that wiz chick, though.

[Zanti]

I WANT TO TAKE MANY SMALL HITS OF WORLD DAMAGE WHEN I GO DOWN AN INCLINE, NOT SLIDE. VERY NOT CLASSIC

In EQNext the world jumps for you.

[Ele]

they aren't getting the responses they want.

[Zanti]

Breaking news! SoE invents multiclassing!

rofl

[Treefall]

Wow...guild wars in the EQ world. Fuck me, I'm glad I have P99.

[khanable]

ew.. multiclassing.. korean style weapons..

looks like gw2..

[Tobras]

Yeah I'm not going to listen to this anymore. Disappointed. Back to Field of Bone... I'll check back later

[Kelven]

Yeah the multi-classing got crickets for a response.

[fadetree]

I'm out, free form multiclassing and wearing anything you want = fail.

[Zanti]

Game looks like a damn action brawler. This does not feel like EQ at all :( and going by what they have shown the game looks single player focused.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

i will not stand for this. this is not everquest circa 1999. I demand they just repackage original in a fancier, possibly reflective game case, and go with that.

[Kraftwerk]

Hmm, being able to permanently change game world sounds cool actually.

[Pico]

worst elf sim yet

[Treefall]

Hmm, being able to permanently change game world sounds cool actually.

Um, did you see how it worked?

I guarantee it's the kind of destruction that just respawns after people move out.

This game sucks nuts.

[Oppie]

Wait until you guys play the game first. :)

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

NO WAY BRO ITS NOT CLASSIC TO WAIT UNTIL YOU PLAY THE GAME

[Kraftwerk]

Hmm, dynamic world that changes sounds pretty good. Slight redemption from retarded sand fingerpainting.

[Zanti]

i will not stand for this. this is not everquest circa 1999. I demand they just repackage original in a fancier, possibly reflective game case, and go with that.

Maybe its just them trying to show off but when I think EQ I want grouping, not the entire player base running around solo until dynamic "events" bring them together.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

on a very real note, this guy speaking is clearly a lvl 5 bard

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

On a very very real note, Im looking forward to playing a new game at the start.

[AceTravis]

Dave seems so happy as he talks but the audience response is very muted.

[Norrath]

Wow, those terrain layers are awesome.

[Greegon]

minecraft next

[Zanti]

Wow, those terrain layers are awesome.

It has some potential but from the way he talked about it the layers sound randomly generated.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

what the fuck just happend in this boss fight

[Zanti]

what the fuck just happend in this boss fight

Particle effects.

[Oppie]

They always have complete nubs playing in these presentations..

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

particle effects are not classic

[Arclyte]

more garbage from SoE

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

this game doesnt even have some kind of scaley, moldy tunic with the same icon as a cloth tunic for 150k. Not classic

[joppykid]

particle effects are not classic

Called EQ Next, not EQ Classic. To me the real kicker is going to be death penalty. That would weed out a good amount of noobs.

[Suirad]

I will be there.

[Zanti]

Less flash and more mechanics would be great. From what they have shown it looks like GW2 improved in some ways.

[Sgt1stClassPerkerwood]

joppy. just read half of my posts in this thread. i think youll get my point

[joppykid]

I understand, I didn't get my hopes up for it, it seems it could be good, hard to tell at this point . Be interesting what kind of hardware it's going to take to run this.

But hey they're releasing EQ Minecraft in the winter

[Zanti]

Wow EQ minecraft... SoE gets us to build everything for them... Could be good or bad.

[senna]

looks pretty damn fun actually

[moe]

finally a minecraft killer

[Ephirith]

As an extremely jaded gamer

I am seriously impressed

[Norrath]

Make.real.cash.

[joppykid]

Platlord is going go to school for an architectural degree and own eq landmark market

[moe]

ill be working on constructing qeynos asap.. gonna be classic whether they intended it or not damnit

[Norrath]

As an extremely jaded gamer

I am seriously impressed

Agreed.

[Razdeline]

Wholy shit.

[Rust1d?]

Dick forest confirmed.

[Zanti]

It is a great idea no doubt and will save them a ton especially if they allow people to create their own textures as well. Zero info on game mechanics besides the building though :/

[SCB]

As an extremely jaded gamer

I am seriously impressed

QFT

[moe]

Zero info on game mechanics besides the building though :/

thats the joke

[Razdeline]

Doesn't matter, minecraft crowd going to have a heyday with this shit

[Treefall]

This was an overall depressing experience.

I hope they remove multiclassing...

[silkwormxl]

Doesn't matter, minecraft crowd going to have a heyday with this shit

Hidden penis temples galore.

[joppykid]

Smedleys pic they showed looked nothing like him today haha. He had hair, and weighed 50 lbs less

[Oppie]

I doubt we will here about the one important thing we need to know about..

Endgame.

[Ele]

Smedleys pic they showed looked nothing like him today haha. He had hair, and weighed 50 lbs less

being generous there

[senna]

gameplay here we go

[silkwormxl]

This was an overall depressing experience.

I hope they remove multiclassing...

Exactly. It's just every game in one. No direction. Even the landmarks are going to be all over the place with player created content. They didn't talk enough about game mechanics. I have no clue what the GAME is like. All I know is there will be penis temples and a bunch of neckbeards trying to turn the game into their job. As soon as they endorsed making money off the game, it ceased being about the GAME.

[Zade]

was totally into it until they started showing the combat spells and effects with the area of effect-dont-stand-here red rings of handholding wow bullshit. I dont wanna know where he is attacking and where to stand. this is EQ. stop the baby shit. let those pillars of facerolling rock storms to wipe the group hundreds of times until we learn his spell graphics and their locations of impact

[myriverse]

All of that destructibility destroys the corpses. Where's the loot?!

[Technique]

all spectacle, no substance

[joppykid]

You can't even tell what's going on in combat, all the dust is in the way lol

[AceTravis]

I wasn't expecting anything like EQ Classic but this doesn't look like it will be for me. Hugely disappointed. Maybe once they show more mechanics, raiding, gear, and the quest system it will start to flesh out a little bit more and seem more appealing.

[Zanti]

all spectacle, no substance

Pretty much and its blinding; I can't even see the players with all of that crap flying around blocking the scene.

[senna]

looks badass

[Alorae]

Only playable for me if classic char models are available.

[Norrath]

The new theme music is A+

[SCB]

Only playable for me if classic char models are available.

lol

[Rhuma7]

Not even everquest.

[Rust1d?]

Yeah those red rings are in Marvel Heroes too and it is stupid. Also looks like it plays like a mix of Diablo 3 and WoW in terms of combat.

I would beta test it and go from there. But it does not look too promising.

[ukaking]

Combat looked terrible. WoW style characters with GW2 looking combat add in the huge amounts of dust and crap so you cant actually see whats going on and there you go!

[Dany]

Wonder if there's gonna be challenge or just smack everything like tard without thinking.

[Cigam]

Shame about that art style.

[Faerie]

It all looks like fun and interesting pve, but they didn't even make mention of pvp. PvP is where real innovation would show.

[melkortshea]

I am hoping its just a target ring and not a Damage radius ring. It seemed like the damage extended far out beyond the red ring. I at least hope so because I also hate that hand holding.

[senna]

Combat looked terrible. WoW style characters with GW2 looking combat add in the huge amounts of dust and crap so you cant actually see whats going on and there you go!

you sound extremely bitter

[myriverse]

It's like watching the Tasmanian Devil rip through stuff. Good for Looney Tunes, not for EQ.

But I like almost all of the rest of it.

[Vianna]

Looks like p99 forever then.... That game while presented well is not EQ.

[SCB]

Combat looked terrible. WoW style characters with GW2 looking combat add in the huge amounts of dust and crap so you cant actually see whats going on and there you go!

Have you actually played EQ with spell effects on before?

[AceTravis]

Shame about that art style.

Agreed--- Art style is not what I was expecting or hoping for...

[Zanti]

The whole presentation screamed "We don't know what to do so do it for us, will ya?" Design and build the world for us then vote for everything that you think you want in an MMO because the majority is always right, right? Aside from that some of the tech ideas were impressive and it was pretty to look at here and there.

[poofph]

yeah, I am not a fan of the wow looking models, I always like more life like looking characters.. ahh well. I will definitely check the game out though once released, sounds like it may be fun.

[lecompte]

Agreed. Combat looks kinda sucky -- too accessible not enough planning. But I made a mess in my pants over the voxel stuff.

[Halius]

And as I thought.... Here was my reaction.

http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad243/adhesivehippo/HappyToSad.gif

[Treefall]

That Fiona model made me throw up a little bit.

"Oh, and here's Firiona..."

*crickets*

EDIT MY BAD BITCHES

[Thulack]

I wasn't expecting anything like EQ Classic but this doesn't look like it will be for me. Hugely disappointed. Maybe once they show more mechanics, raiding, gear, and the quest system it will start to flesh out a little bit more and seem more appealing.

This is my feeling. But from the way the demo went i dont see this as being a game i'd like. It does remind me of GW2 and honestly graphics aren't a gamemaker for me but can be a gamebreaker and damn are those ogres and kerran's ugly.

[Faerie]

Yeah, what's with ogres not being adorably huggable?

[Thulack]

The whole presentation screamed "We don't know what to do so do it for us, will ya?" Design and build the world for us then vote for everything that you think you want in an MMO because the majority is always right, right? Aside from that some of the tech ideas were impressive and it was pretty to look at here and there.

They could make the world they want and throw it out there and have everyone complain or they can give you the option of "helping" create it so when the playerbase hates it they can say "well you made it"

[SCB]

That Fiona model made me throw up a little bit.

"Oh, and here's Fiona..."

*crickets*

Who is Fiona?

[lecompte]

"Would somebody rez the ranger" Unacceptable language.

[Tecmos Deception]

That Fiona model made me throw up a little bit.

"Oh, and here's Fiona..."

*crickets*

Fiona? Not classic.

[A1551]

I wanted to like it so bad, but it just looked like GW2 or a stupid console action rpg. They really didn't tell us or show us anything important about the actual gameplay...and from the little they did show us I was less than impressed. Oh well. I know its been said a thousand times but the kind of mass market appeal MMOS need to get green-lighted means disappointment will probably always be inevitable.

I did like the ideas behind the dynamic AI and thought some of the other ideas were promising..but overall it looks like its going to wrapped up with bland/crappy gameplay we've seen (and moved on from) a thousand times.

[Thulack]

"Would somebody rez the ranger" Unacceptable language.

Sklug is the only Dev i saw that i know was from EQ as he was still a dev on EQ up until EQNext started production.

[khanable]

I'm disappointed as all hell.

I actually LIKE most of what I saw.. almost all of it, actually. Multiclass is such a massive boner kill and ruins basically all the good for me though.

And RM auction house shit? No thanks

BRING ON WINTER

[webrunner5]

This thing looks like total crap. WoW on growth hormones. I am not going to play that shit. Looks like it is set up for 12 year old Japanese girls. Jesus. It sucks big time. :eek::eek:

[Thulack]

Feerott reminded me of that one call of duty map but can't think of name(maybe was just jungle) lol.

[Breeziyo]

I like it. It doesn't really look like an EQ game, but I like it.

[Nimblefork]

I really like the environments with the lighting/permanent change direction. However, those character models look like they were drawn up by some retard WoW designer.
Kerra, Whirlwind Attack Bullshit, Orc, Iron Golem...all of that shit looked absolutely retarded.

[Tecmos Deception]

I can't believe anyone would try RMAH so soon after D3 demonstrated how it can oh, so easily turn out.

[Barkingturtle]

Honestly couldn't care less about combat in games any more. I'm tired of killing stuff. I like building stuff, though. Just goes to show I had enough Gi Joes and Transformers and He-Man action-figures as a kid but not enough doll-houses. Anyway, I watched about two minutes of the presentation and had to turn it off because that dude with the pony-tail just flat-out depressed me. Is that what we gamers are become? He looked like a frumpy lesbian who'd suffered a double-mastectomy.

[Tecmos Deception]

WTB Velious beta this year please!

[khanable]

I really like the environments with the lighting/permanent change direction. However, those character models look like they were drawn up by some retard WoW designer.
Kerra, Whirlwind Attack Bullshit, Orc, Iron Golem...all of that shit looked absolutely retarded.

I'm okay with the models, but that battle animation is god damned horrid

ROAR SUPER INSANE CRAZY ACROBATIC FUCK YOU IN THE FACE MASSIVE CRAZY ANIMATION HOLY SHIT WHAT IS GOING ON SURELY I'VE VANQUISHED MY FOE

you hit your target for 5pts of damage

[Hailto]

From what i saw of the game play it looks like its going to be gw2 style combat where you don't have mana but instead everything is just on a cooldown. I really hope im wrong.

[Zanti]

I'm okay with the models, but that battle animation is god damned horrid

ROAR SUPER INSANE CRAZY ACROBATIC FUCK YOU IN THE FACE MASSIVE CRAZY ANIMATION HOLY SHIT WHAT IS GOING ON SURELY I'VE VANQUISHED MY FOE

you hit your target for 5pts of damage


:D:D:D

[SCB]

He looked like a frumpy lesbian who'd suffered a double-mastectomy.

This is the single best thing that will ever be posted in this thread.

[Dullah]

So different, hard to even compare.

Agree tho, hope its hard. Don't need to telegraph every move the mob does. Let the players learn to adapt, no need to make it easy with rings.

Still don't know about how crafting and everything will work in the game itself. Don't know about the pvps or anything.

[Nirgon]

Looks like mash buttons and win Lion King MMO.

Definitely won't be *anything* like original EQ.

[Nimblefork]

I'm okay with the models, but that battle animation is god damned horrid

ROAR SUPER INSANE CRAZY ACROBATIC FUCK YOU IN THE FACE MASSIVE CRAZY ANIMATION HOLY SHIT WHAT IS GOING ON SURELY I'VE VANQUISHED MY FOE

you hit your target for 5pts of damage

Yeah....but the models were also fucking stupid.

[Faerie]

I'll admit I'm kind of excited to play as a cleric/rogue hybrid. Just really hoping for some pvp news.

[Nirgon]

Hopefully Rogean is getting as drunk as possible right now. If I was leaving that auditorium, I would be.

Ew.

[myriverse]

yeah, I am not a fan of the wow looking models, I always like more life like looking characters.. ahh well. I will definitely check the game out though once released, sounds like it may be fun.
Lifelike? Then how'd you ever get into EQ?

[Ephirith]

My thoughts, based on their hype presentation:

Good:
-Voxel-based terrain, destructible/constructable
-Darkfall-esque dynamic world affected by players

Bad:
-Multiclassing
-Giant shoulderpads and weapons more massive than the person holding them
-xXxLegolasxXx sick moves, watch me hulksmash this crowd of mobs with a giant MEGA SPIRIT BOMB KAMEHAMEHA

Absolute Shit:
-Combat

Has potential if the sandbox is half as fleshed out as they implied it would be, if there is some difficulty involved in combat, and if they go easy on the cash shop.

[Alecta]

"There are also no levels or in this game, although your character does still progress"

"Combat will consist of four skills and four weapon moves at a time."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/02/soe-live-2013-everquest-next-explained/

[SCB]

Has potential if the sandbox is half as fleshed out as they implied it would be, if there is some difficulty involved in combat, and if they go easy on the cash shop.


What difficulty is to be found in pressing autoattack and hoping for good rolls?

Or did you mean that other games have combat difficulty, and that's what you want?

[Faerie]

What's so bad about multiclassing?

[Razdeline]

I think its funny people are bashing the game based off wow like graphics, which obviously have no relevance in the games we play. We are playing on p99....

Gameplay is what will matter. The harsh penalties, the fear of making a bad choice, and having to deal with the consequences. Also the social interaction and the need for it to be the absolute foundation to the immersion of this game.

All of which have not been revealed. So if you are going to speculate on anything, it should be those things.

[Brandonian10]

http://blogs.hardingf.am/amanda/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ronburgundy.jpg

[khanable]

the most awful thing about multiclassing is someone is going to figure out the optimal class combinations and if you don't play that you basically suck at the game

swap classes on demand? no more bottlenecks on getting content done, making it more accessible to all

commie bullshit

sad sad day

[Breeziyo]

What's so bad about multiclassing?

I too would like a good reason as to why multiclassing is such a horrendous thing.


It's in D&D and people love it there.

[Ghostfaced]

This game looks amazing... I watched the twitch announcement.

[Zanti]

What's so bad about multiclassing?

It detracts from the meaning and role of a class, especially if you can just change it whenever you want to. It also tends to make everyone blandly similar in a variety of ways that harms gameplay and immersion.

[FaithlessKR]

I know that was a pre-alpha sneak peak...but it looks awful if thats how combat is gonna be.

[Razdeline]

the most awful thing about multiclassing is someone is going to figure out the optimal class combinations and if you don't play that you basically suck at the game

swap classes on demand? no more bottlenecks on getting content done, making it more accessible to all

commie bullshit

sad sad day

It still is the best system. You can't max out everything, expect a skill based model similar to Uo/SWG. Both of which everyone in the community has been crying about having again for years

[Faerie]

It detracts from the meaning and role of a class, especially if you can just change it whenever you want to. It also tends to make everyone blandly similar in a variety of ways that harms gameplay and immersion.

Similar? Sounded to me like it was offering some crazy amounts of customization. Better than having the exact same skillset as every player of your class, in that regard.

[liveitup1216]

I'm hoping its like what they mentioned about you can choose to be classes not available to your race, but it will involve questlines and finding out of the way trainers/etc to learn it, and doing so will ruin your faction/ties to your previous class.

[Razdeline]

What they will need to overcome is basically how hard the content will be. Will it require a tank? healers? or is everyone going to run around as the same class archtype.

If the content is unforgiving in a manner that players have to adapt a skill based system to exploit it, expect people to make their own arch-types of tanks/healers/dps.

I think if it's done right, they can have a true customizable class system.

But once again, here's hoping.

[Zanti]

Similar? Sounded to me like it was offering some crazy amounts of customization. Better than having the exact same skillset as every player of your class, in that regard.

Game devs have yet to prove that they can actually come up with a large variety of skill/class combos that are relevant and in demand at any given time. More often than not they create a "core" system with everything else ending up as neglected fluff. People will optimize and ignore the useless stuff so instead of more options everyone will be running around with the "best" setup.

[khanable]

Similar? Sounded to me like it was offering some crazy amounts of customization. Better than having the exact same skillset as every player of your class, in that regard.

this is assuming they can balance it correctly

otherwise everyone is just going to be the same optimal load out

[silkwormxl]

It detracts from the meaning and role of a class, especially if you can just change it whenever you want to. It also tends to make everyone blandly similar in a variety of ways that harms gameplay and immersion.

This.

It just makes everyone be able to do everything. No dedication to a class. It's like the dual classing and talent system in WOW. Or how scenarios in WOW don't require a healer or tank. It's just like... what's the point of picking a class when it doesn't matter?

Least it gets rid of posts like "What class does this server need?"

[Hailto]

Everyone is going to be playing the same OP class combination. That one aspect of the game was the most disappointing to me.

[SCB]

This.

It just makes everyone be able to do everything. No dedication to a class. It's like the dual classing and talent system in WOW. Or how scenarios in WOW don't require a healer or tank. It's just like... what's the point of picking a class when it doesn't matter?

Least it gets rid of posts like "What class does this server need?"

You say this, but The Secret World proves you wrong pretty spectacularly.

Everyone is going to be playing the same OP class combination. That one aspect of the game was the most disappointing to me.

See a lot of Rangers and Wizards lately?

[Dalron]

Looks horrid. Won't play.

Dalron - Healer of the 25th Circle of Light

[Samoht Farstrider]

I missed the broadcast. Is there anyway to watch it?

[Alecta]

Rift let you do that, but really you only had like 1-3 viable builds for every class (which would change every patch, hah)

[Nimblefork]

I think its funny people are bashing the game based off wow like graphics, which obviously have no relevance in the games we play. We are playing on p99....

Gameplay is what will matter. The harsh penalties, the fear of making a bad choice, and having to deal with the consequences. Also the social interaction and the need for it to be the absolute foundation to the immersion of this game.

All of which have not been revealed. So if you are going to speculate on anything, it should be those things.

They showed the combat/gameplay you fuck-stick

[SCB]

I missed the broadcast. Is there anyway to watch it?


Click Twitch link. At top-right of Twitch side area is a tab that has "Videos" as an option. Select that and you can watch all past videos.

Or click this, I suppose: http://kotaku.com/two-astounding-new-everquest-games-are-coming-full-de-1002721647

[Barkingturtle]

I hear a lot of bemoaning about multi-classing and how it homogenizes the player-base but I wonder how many people play a ranger here on P99? Okay, now how many play a monk, instead?

See what I'm getting at? I mean, really.

[Zade]

hopefully they listen to feedback from the beta. if any real eq'ers got access, they better suggest turning the rings off. someone give me a buddy key plox

[Faerie]

I don't care for min/maxing in any game, and if I end up playing EQNext I'll pick my class for RP reasons.

EDIT: More options is always better for RP.

[Ephirith]

In EQ, mobs will rape you. You can't go barreling into a room full of mobs and do a whirlwind, spam your abilities, and they all die.

Unless you severely outlevel or outgear the content, you will get raped unless you use some strategy, or cooperate with other players. You need to CC, slow, attempt to single pull, etc. Difficult content forces interaction, or at least some level of planning/strategy.

Having to interact with other people to get something done is a lot more fun and fulfilling, in my opinion, than watching my avatar bash some harmless mob into the ground with a billion particle effects and huge numbers. I don't want this game to be Socially-Augmented-Single Player, I want to to be Massively Multiplayer, with a community, reputation, etc etc.

[khanable]

I think it's also safe to say with multiclassing (everyone doing everything) you can pretty much forget any sort of class specific thing that others players will rely on you for


No more needing to find a druid or wizard for a port, no more needing to find a necro to summon a corpse, no more needing to find a cleric to rez..

just do it all yourself after you click a few change templates buttons

boo

[Hailto]

See a lot of Rangers and Wizards lately?

Not sure what your point is.

[silkwormxl]

You say this, but The Secret World proves you wrong pretty spectacularly.

People still play that shit?

[Razdeline]

They showed the combat/gameplay you fuck-stick

Sure they showed a couple of devs running on gm created and pre-skilled classes. Your inability to see past this is laughable. Everything they have revealed has not truly shown the harshness of fighting something against your skill level, the group mechanics, the penalties for death, travel, etc.

Go back to rnf, maybe learn some things before comming in here and shitting up a thread with unintelligent statements.

[Halius]

In EQ, mobs will rape you. You can't go barreling into a room full of mobs and do a whirlwind, spam your abilities, and they all die.

Unless you severely outlevel or outgear the content, you will get raped unless you use some strategy, or cooperate with other players. You need to CC, slow, attempt to single pull, etc. Difficult content forces interaction, or at least some level of planning/strategy.

Having to interact with other people to get something done is a lot more fun and fulfilling, in my opinion, than watching my avatar bash some harmless mob into the ground with a billion particle effects and huge numbers. I don't want this game to be Socially-Augmented-Single Player, I want to to be Massively Multiplayer, with a community, reputation, etc etc.

This.

[SCB]

Not sure what your point is.

Read it a few times. You'll figure it out.

This.

True for literally every MMO ever made.

[Faerie]

In EQ, mobs will rape you. You can't go barreling into a room full of mobs and do a whirlwind, spam your abilities, and they all die.

Unless you severely outlevel or outgear the content, you will get raped unless you use some strategy, or cooperate with other players. You need to CC, slow, attempt to single pull, etc. Difficult content forces interaction, or at least some level of planning/strategy.

Having to interact with other people to get something done is a lot more fun and fulfilling, in my opinion, than watching my avatar bash some harmless mob into the ground with a billion particle effects and huge numbers. I don't want this game to be Socially-Augmented-Single Player, I want to to be Massively Multiplayer, with a community, reputation, etc etc.

I'm sure the raids will be very difficult. Beyond that; who cares how hard pve is? Players will always need to be organized and attentive in pvp, which is obviously the most important gameplay aspect.

[Nimblefork]

Sure they showed a couple of devs running on gm created and pre-skilled classes. Your inability to see past this is laughable. Everything they have revealed has not truly shown the harshness of fighting something against your skill level, the group mechanics, the penalties for death, travel, etc.

Go back to rnf, maybe learn some things before comming in here and shitting up a thread with unintelligent statements.

Whirlwind ATtack/Hammer Smash GERPLAHHH, you're super intelligent mate. University?

[Razdeline]

In EQ, mobs will rape you. You can't go barreling into a room full of mobs and do a whirlwind, spam your abilities, and they all die.

Unless you severely outlevel or outgear the content, you will get raped unless you use some strategy, or cooperate with other players. You need to CC, slow, attempt to single pull, etc. Difficult content forces interaction, or at least some level of planning/strategy.

Having to interact with other people to get something done is a lot more fun and fulfilling, in my opinion, than watching my avatar bash some harmless mob into the ground with a billion particle effects and huge numbers. I don't want this game to be Socially-Augmented-Single Player, I want to to be Massively Multiplayer, with a community, reputation, etc etc.

I can log on my mage and run through Crushbone, gather 50 mobs, and nuke them down with 1 aoe. Hopefully what has been shown at this reveal is something similar, would like to see them fight something around their skill level. Game all boils down to community interaction triggers and the interaction with difficult mob encounters. (which have not yet been defined)

[silkwormxl]

I hear a lot of bemoaning about multi-classing and how it homogenizes the player-base but I wonder how many people play a ranger here on P99? Okay, now how many play a monk, instead?

See what I'm getting at? I mean, really.

It's not the multi-classing part that's the problem. Hybrid classes have basically always existed since the dawn of MMORPGs. It's the "You can switch to any class you want at anytime" part. That shit is GAY.

[heartbrand]

I love the people crying about multi classing, nothing was more frustrating in classic eq than sitting for two hours looking for a cleric to be able to continue your exp group

[Razdeline]

Whirlwind ATtack/Hammer Smash GERPLAHHH, you're super intelligent mate. University?

You still don't get it, go back to rnf please.

[silkwormxl]

Sure they showed a couple of devs running on gm created and pre-skilled classes. Your inability to see past this is laughable. Everything they have revealed has not truly shown the harshness of fighting something against your skill level, the group mechanics, the penalties for death, travel, etc.

Go back to rnf, maybe learn some things before comming in here and shitting up a thread with unintelligent statements.

FANBOI ALERT

[Hailto]

Read it a few times. You'll figure it out.

The difference is EQ has distinct classes, when you allow everyone to be everything at once people just find the combination that is the most OP and play it. Classic has people playing rangers and wizards because they still have abilities that are useful and needed that other classes can't utilize. When you allow multiclassing people find the combination that is the most overpowered or some minor variation of it and play it.

[Razdeline]

Whirlwind ATtack/Hammer Smash GERPLAHHH, you're super intelligent mate. University?

I can log on my mage and run through Crushbone, gather 50 mobs, and nuke them down with 1 aoe. Hopefully what has been shown at this reveal is something similar, would like to see them fight something around their skill level. Game all boils down to community interaction triggers and the interaction with difficult mob encounters. (which have not yet been defined)

[Halius]

It's not the multi-classing part that's the problem. Hybrid classes have basically always existed since the dawn of MMORPGs. It's the "You can switch to any class you want at anytime" part. That shit is GAY.

I don't want to be able to switch classes at any time I want. Make a unique hybrid? Yeah that would be cool, but if I just want to switch between classes I will make new characters to adventure with thank you.

Also I am at work so I wasn't able to watch absolutely everything (almost though), I didn't catch mention of open world dungeons or instances or the like, did they mention anything about that?

[myriverse]

the most awful thing about multiclassing is someone is going to figure out the optimal class combinations and if you don't play that you basically suck at the game

swap classes on demand? no more bottlenecks on getting content done, making it more accessible to all

commie bullshit

sad sad day
That's not communist. That's the free market.

And if you actually listened, you would have learned that everybody cannot switch on demand. You have to earn the ability to get your classes.

[SCB]

The difference is EQ has distinct classes, when you allow everyone to be everything at once people just find the combination that is the most OP and play it.

Except that's a provably false statement.

[Technique]

"Would somebody rez the ranger" Unacceptable language.I cringed at every self-conscious reference to a game so far removed from what they were showing as to make the allusions practically nonsensical.

[Nimblefork]

Prove it. Regardless, that Kerra shit still looked retarded.

[Hailto]

Except that's a provably false statement.

Prove it.

[Zanti]

I hear a lot of bemoaning about multi-classing and how it homogenizes the player-base but I wonder how many people play a ranger here on P99? Okay, now how many play a monk, instead?

See what I'm getting at? I mean, really.

I think you are inadvertently proving our point, ranger was the combo that went too far in the wrong direction and got left at the wayside till Luclin. Its another option to play with sure, but hardly anyone does because it is obviously not optimal, thus monks and everything else.

The other classes weren't like this because they had something (more or less) that they could excel at in a meaningful way in a variety of situations. Rangers got boned in that department.

[Alecta]

Hrm, I posted in the dead thread in RnF.

"There are also no levels or in this game, although your character does still progress"

"Combat will consist of four skills and four weapon moves at a time."

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/02/soe-live-2013-everquest-next-explained/

Ok with the first, kinda eh on the second.

[silkwormxl]

I don't want to be able to switch classes at any time I want. Make a unique hybrid? Yeah that would be cool, but if I just want to switch between classes I will make new characters to adventure with thank you.

Yeah, hybrids are fine... but I think it's a better idea to have it developer created. Min/maxing will come into play otherwise and everyone will be using the same templates.

I remember when Asheron's Call first came out, no one had any idea what they were doing. They were just spreading their points all over the place, picking what sounded cool. Then after a few months, players had found out the best hybrid combinations and everyone was rerolling.

[Razdeline]

What im saying is, they have showed GFX, a couple of classes using 2 abilities, and mainly the focus of unveiling was the Minecraft like world.

All of the things that actually matter (to me) were not shown. Gameplay mechanics and the forced requirement to interact with other players in anything I did. Harsh penalties, and the fear of making bad choices.

The crafting stuff is cool, but I was never really into it.

[Thulack]

I'm sure the raids will be very difficult. Beyond that; who cares how hard pve is? Players will always need to be organized and attentive in pvp, which is obviously the most important gameplay aspect.

Not everyone likes PvP.

[Oppie]

Bunch of hipsters on these forums..

[silkwormxl]

That's not communist. That's the free market.

And if you actually listened, you would have learned that everybody cannot switch on demand. You have to earn the ability to get your classes.

If YOU had listened, he didn't say anything about EARNING shit. He said "Find" that class. Pokemon/EQ/WOW/minecraft, go go go!

GOTTA CATCH EM' ALL!

[Nirgon]

Lol @ thinking wizards are bad. Still makes me smirk every single time.

[SCB]

Prove it.

http://www.thesecretworld.com/

k.

[Hailto]

http://www.thesecretworld.com/

k.

Your proof is linking a horrible dead game? Bravo.

[Ephirith]

All of the things that actually matter (to me) were not shown. Gameplay mechanics and the forced requirement to interact with other players in anything I did. Harsh penalties, and the fear of making bad choices.

This, probably the most important features that need to make it into EQN for it to appeal to me. Also, sadly, highly unlikely.

[khanable]

That's not communist. That's the free market.

And if you actually listened, you would have learned that everybody cannot switch on demand. You have to earn the ability to get your classes.

Use your head. You think they're going to make the wizard class be some epic long quest? They're gonna make everyone be the same class to start and force you to level up with shitty classes until you can get the higher level cooler classes?

They said very clearly you'll "earn" the quest (my guess, delivery me 5 rat furs!) and will be able to mix and match what you want from any classes.

This is everyone having access to every class.

[SCB]

Your proof is linking a horrible dead game? Bravo.

Doesn't change the fact that the multiclass leveling system worked.

[Chokan]

Watch some videos on Battlefield 4, now that's movable, alterable terrain. Trees popping up and exploding, pfft.

[Stinkum]

I missed the live stream, is there any video recording out there to watch?

[silkwormxl]

Your proof is linking a horrible dead game? Bravo.

lol, for real. That game is shyte. I played in the beta and made the mistake of buying it after it came out. Just another F2P cash shop trash game.

[khanable]

Doesn't change the fact that the multiclass leveling system worked.

Worked in what capacity?

It's a dead game?

[SCB]

lol, for real. That game is shyte. I played in the beta and made the mistake of buying it after it came out. Just another F2P cash shop trash game.

Do you write "shyte" because it's more XTREME and you RP that's its actually 1999 on these boards?
Worked in what capacity?

It's a dead game?


Functioned in such a way as to promote many viable build options. I don't give a shit what any of your opinions on the game are - opinions are opinions and all that - I'm just arguing against factually incorrect nonsense you're spewing.

[Faerie]

Use your head. You think they're going to make the wizard class be some epic long quest? They're gonna make everyone be the same class to start and force you to level up with shitty classes until you can get the higher level cooler classes?

They said very clearly you'll "earn" the quest (my guess, delivery me 5 rat furs!) and will be able to mix and match what you want from any classes.

This is everyone having access to every class.

They said there were going to be 8 base classes to choose from at the start.

[Hailto]

Doesn't change the fact that the multiclass leveling system worked.

Worked so well that the game is dead and was terrible. Derp.

[Ephirith]

Use your head. You think they're going to make the wizard class be some epic long quest? They're gonna make everyone be the same class to start and force you to level up with shitty classes until you can get the higher level cooler classes?

They said very clearly you'll "earn" the quest (my guess, delivery me 5 rat furs!) and will be able to mix and match what you want from any classes.

This is everyone having access to every class.

Or it'll be like planetside 2 and you can either grind and find the classes, or buy them in the cash shop with your smedbucks.

If that's the case, well...

http://i.imgur.com/uvDapZc.gif

[silkwormxl]

Doesn't change the fact that the multiclass leveling system worked.

How is that proof that it "worked"? Because no one plays it? Just because it exists in a game doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Besides, most MMORPGs contain some sort of multi-classing. They usually call it "specs". IE; WOW classes have several roles they can play. At one point, they were even able to spread their points across those roles talents as they wanted. It's nothing new or ground breaking. I liked how quiet the crowd was when that tranny announced it like it was a new concept.

[SCB]

How is that proof that it "worked"? Because no one plays it? Just because it exists in a game doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Besides, most MMORPGs contain some sort of multi-classing. They usually call it "specs". IE; WOW classes have several roles they can play. At one point, they were even able to spread their points across those roles talents as they wanted. It's nothing new or ground breaking. I liked how quiet the crowd was when that tranny announced it like it was a new concept.

I think you might actually be a retarded person. I feel bad for making fun of you now.

[khanable]

Functioned in such a way as to promote many viable build options.

I asked a friend who played that game for a few months what he felt

Basically confirmed my suspicions that everyone goes for the optimal build

your opinion is bad

[SCB]

your opinion is bad

super defensible statement you're making there.

[Hailto]

I think you might actually be a retarded person.

You're sitting here calling other people retarded while trying to argue that an aspect of a game that failed horribly works, lol.

[khanable]

super defensible statement you're making there.

------->

Functioned in such a way as to promote many viable build options. I don't give a shit what any of your opinions on the game are - opinions are opinions and all that - I'm just arguing against factually incorrect nonsense you're spewing.

[webrunner5]

You still don't get it, go back to rnf please.

Your coming off sounding like the 12 year old Japanese girl I was talking about. Well maybe you are one. :confused: The game SUCKS plain and simple. :( It is set up for little kids.

[SCB]

You're sitting here calling other people retarded while trying to argue that an aspect of a game that failed horribly works, lol.

You might be, too. Apologies all around, then.

[Hailto]

You might be, too. Apologies all around, then.

Provide some evidence that the multiclass system actually worked other than linking the URL of a dead game or gtfo.

Also those commas are extraneous learn to format your sentences correctly before you question someones intelligence.

[lecompte]

... I'm going to play it and like it. I'll play anything that breaks a mold.

[Razdeline]

Your coming off sounding like the 12 year old Japanese girl I was talking about. Well maybe you are one. :confused: The game SUCKS plain and simple. :( It is set up for little kids.

confirmed 12

[Zanti]

All we saw was a basic dev demo that could mean anything a few years down the road when they actually populate the world with their free labor scheme. The fact that they said NOTHING about how they plan to set up the games rule set is the most worrying thing about it. Will it be EverQuest Solo Adventures with a TF2 like cosmetics store or will it have any substance? I doubt if even they know.

[khanable]

From the EQN website:

Our character classes are streamlined and designed to be mixed. Want to be a teleporting rogue or a backstabbing barbarian? The choice is yours!

There you have it folks
TELEPORTING ROGUES
BACKSTABBING BARBARIANS

what's next, tradeskilling fire pets?!

[Faerie]

From the EQN website:



There you have it folks
TELEPORTING ROGUES
BACKSTABBING BARBARIANS

what's next, tradeskilling fire pets?!

Probably means teleporting like was shown in the demo. Shadowstep.

[Kittyheart]

You know, they think they touched on the key points... But Did they really? I mean sure I liked a lot of what I heard, the Voxel based graphics(smashing everything) cool, I am eating my own words by saying this, but SOEMOTE "MIGHT"(keyword might) not suck here actually, AND I guess its cool being able to build walls and keeps, the whole minecraft thing "might" be good(or it might ruin the game). I enjoy the risk they're taking there... However...

Gameplay pacing... Is there any breaks between combat like Everquest 1? What about solo content Versus Group content. I honestly find nothing more loathsome and boring about playing alone in a MMO, Whats the point? I RARELY EVER had to do that ever in Everquest. In fact it was built on playing with others, but is Everquest Next built on that? Or tedious hours of gathering and slaying "this or that" alone.

I'm not sold, and it doesn't sound like many of you are either. Also the combat was a mess, Too much smoke in the screen, with silly red circles telling where attacks are going to be. That's just lazy development.

[Champion_Standing]

Looks fucking terrible.

[Razdeline]

Your coming off sounding like the 12 year old Japanese girl I was talking about. Well maybe you are one. :confused: The game SUCKS plain and simple. :( It is set up for little kids.


12 year old Japanese girl would have more sense than you, "OMG GAME SUCKS" when seeing a short reveal which in turn did not show anything that mattered.(core gameplay, social interaction, penalties, etc)

You know, all of the reasons people play p99. I do agree, however, that this stuff will probably be dissapointing when revealed as well. The point im trying to make is that the things that have mattered weren't even revealed. I would be pretty ignoramus to state anything is good or sucks at this point in time.

[SCB]

Also those commas are extraneous learn to format your sentences correctly before you question someones intelligence.

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/when-use-comma-%E2%80%9Ctoo%E2%80%9D?page=all

Also, you need a comma and coordinating conjunction between "extraneous" and "learn" if you want to say that as one sentence.

Your language arts skills are pretty good for a retarded person, though, so I wasn't going to say anything.

[Trelaboon]

This is definitely not EQ for me. Nothing about this game reminds me of EQ. In fact, I'm more convinced its Azeroth. With that being said; I played WoW for 6 years and liked it. This looks like another game in the same table as WoW, but with completely new concepts.

Ill continue to play P1999, but absolutely can't wait for this to take my "modern MMO" slot, which I currently have none.

[Hailto]

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/when-use-comma-%E2%80%9Ctoo%E2%80%9D?page=all

Also, you need a comma and coordinating conjunction between "extraneous" and "learn" if you want to say that as one sentence.

Your language arts skills are pretty good for a retarded person, though, so I wasn't going to say anything.

Awaiting your proof that the class system worked in TSW.

[Hailto]

Your language arts skills are pretty good for a retarded person, though, so I wasn't going to say anything.

Still too many commas, you're getting better though!

[SCB]

Still too many commas, you're getting better though!

Double posts: because editing is for fucking scrubs.

[Faerie]

Still too many commas; you're getting better though!

I fixed that for you ;)

[Zanti]

The point im trying to make is that the things that have mattered weren't even revealed. I would be pretty ignoramus to state anything is good or sucks at this point in time.

I agree with you, its just that the things that they did show were incredibly suggestive and reminiscent of other titles... in a bad way. They hinted at some wonderful technical "potential" but every new MMO tries to do that.

I just wish they would have been able to demonstrate that they have an actual vision for their game beyond tell us what to do folks.

[silkwormxl]

Still too many commas, you're getting better though!

Come on man, lay off the mouth breather. He is defeated.

Don't back him into a corner, bro. You don't want him to let the tiger out of the cage.

[Com_Truise]

I FEEL EMBARASSED FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THAT PRESENTATION, LOOKS REAL BAD.

[SCB]

Come on man, lay off the mouth breather. He is defeated.

Don't back him into a corner, bro. You don't want him to let the tiger out of the cage.

Don't treat me like shyte bro.

[Hailto]

Don't treat me like shyte bro.

Are you going to provide some evidence that the class system actually worked? So far all you've done is link a game that failed.

[Razdeline]

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/when-use-comma-%E2%80%9Ctoo%E2%80%9D?page=all

Also, you need a comma and coordinating conjunction between "extraneous" and "learn" if you want to say that as one sentence.

Your language arts skills are pretty good for a retarded person, though, so I wasn't going to say anything.

Also, you need a comma and coordinating conjunction between "extraneous" and "learn". If you want to say that as one sentence.

Your language arts skills are pretty good for a retarded person. I wasn't going to say anything until now.

Fixed for you

[Razdeline]

A lot of people add commas for no reason. Ultimately creating run-on sentences. I am guilty of this too. Don't feel bad though! When spelling cures cancer I will begin to give a fuck.

[Stinkum]

i guess im the only one who thought it has potential

[SCB]

A lot of people add commas for no reason. Ultimately creating run-on sentences.

A lot of people add commas for no reason, ultimately creating run-on sentences.

Fixed that for you.


I love where this thread has gone.

[silkwormxl]

A lot of people add commas for no reason. Ultimately creating run-on sentences. I am guilty of this too. Don't feel bad though! When spelling cures cancer I will begin to give a fuck.

It's okay. Live your life of sublime ignorance.

"I dun need no edjukashun cuz I dun cur what ppl think about my speekin abiliteez, cuz"

[Chrysus]

I missed the broadcast and had no interest at all, until reading in these comments that it will not have level based system. I'm willing to check it out just for that alone, the high-fantasy MMO scene desperately needs a non-level based MMORG. I thought WOW's success would have doomed us to ~2 decades of rip-offs.

Even some UO-like** mess would be a breath of fresh air at this point.


** I mean classic UO, no idea what it turned into over the almost 20 years now

[SCB]

It's okay. Live your life of sublime ignorance.

"I dun need no edjukashun cuz I dun cur what ppl think about my speekin abiliteez, cuz"

shyte

[Hailto]

Are you going to provide some evidence that the class system actually worked? So far all you've done is link a game that failed.

[Novoselic]

Beta signups are available btw. Get em here https://www.everquestnext.com/

[Razdeline]

I agree with you, its just that the things that they did show were incredibly suggestive and reminiscent of other titles... in a bad way. They hinted at some wonderful technical "potential" but every new MMO tries to do that.

I just wish they would have been able to demonstrate that they have an actual vision for their game beyond tell us what to do folks.

[Thulack]

Hey guys. How about we stop calling each others name and put a actual group focus on trying to make this game better. We have a rather large community here that if banded together could put a voice to what we all want which in the end is the same thing(something like classic eq). While we might not be able to change everything there might be things that we could have a loud input on to make the game little more challenging. As SoE said they want it to be our game. They are letting people design buildings and such so why should that listen to alot of the people about gameplay. We all heard the reception they got from the crowd. We arent the only ones that want a more classic game.

[Faerie]

Anyone else think that facial recognition thing was creepy/cool?

[Razdeline]

It's okay. Live your life of sublime ignorance.

"I dun need no edjukashun cuz I dun cur what ppl think about my speekin abiliteez, cuz"

Doing spelling/grammar well is something any uneducated person can do. Perhaps if you could show us your calculus skills we can be impressed.

[Rushmore]

Looks fucking terrible.

I couldn't have put it any better

[SCB]

Hey guys. How about we stop calling each others name and put a actual group focus on trying to make this game better. We have a rather large community here that if banded together could put a voice to what we all want which in the end is the same thing(something like classic eq).

I don't share the opinions of people on this forum about modern games. I simply share a love of classic EQ. Honestly, the further people that frequent these boards stay away from game design, the better.

Also, dicking with those two idiots has been the ForumQuest highlight of my day after the saddening lack of info in the twitch stream.

Doing spelling/grammar well is something any uneducated person can do. Perhaps if you could show us your calculus skills we can be impressed.

Math is paint-by-numbers. Rhetoric is where it's at.

[Hailto]

Anyone else think that facial recognition thing was creepy/cool?

Personally I don't like the idea of constantly seeing what faces the neckbeards I'm playing with are making. Hopefully that is a feature you can turn off.

[Razdeline]

I don't share the opinions of people on this forum about modern games. I simply share a love of classic EQ. Honestly, the further people that frequent these boards stay away from game design, the better.

Also, dicking with those two idiots has been the ForumQuest highlight of my day after the saddening lack of info in the twitch stream.



Math is paint-by-numbers. Rhetoric is where it's at.

And trying to prove your intelligence in an eq forum=priceless.

Keep making me smile

[Alecta]

Anyone else think that facial recognition thing was creepy/cool?

That plus the shitty kerrans make me think one of the devs is a cyber-furry.

[Ghordo]

Whats so hard about literally remaking eq1.....

[Hailto]

Math is paint-by-numbers. Rhetoric is where it's at.

Clearly you pride yourself in your rhetorical prowess. Making statements with no evidence to back them up is pretty impressive.

[Targobaath]

Hey guys. How about we stop calling each others name and put a actual group focus on trying to make this game better. We have a rather large community here that if banded together could put a voice to what we all want which in the end is the same thing(something like classic eq). While we might not be able to change everything there might be things that we could have a loud input on to make the game little more challenging. As SoE said they want it to be our game. They are letting people design buildings and such so why should that listen to alot of the people about gameplay. We all heard the reception they got from the crowd. We arent the only ones that want a more classic game.

^^

[SCB]

And trying to prove your intelligence in an eq forum=priceless.

Keep making me smile



What? The recommendation to prove intelligence was your idea, I just ran with it and offered a different subject matter.

[Dragonmist]

It looks cool and has decent ideas going for it but its way too far off the path to even come close to Original EQ1

[Razdeline]

SO...Is the housing going to be permanent or could the wolf blow it down?

[LiQuid]

I missed the live stream, is there any video recording out there to watch?

http://www.twitch.tv/everquestnext/b/439794859

[Nikon]

i guess im the only one who thought it has potential

I'm still going to have hope. I can get over the cartoony graphics if they don't go too overboard with things like huge question marks over NPC's heads and such. The lore and questing/progression system will really determine how I feel, and of course, they talked nothing of it. If nothing else, I was disappointed with today's presentation, not necessarily the game itself.

[Lopretni]

i guess im the only one who thought it has potential

Nope, I'm pretty enthusiastic about it myself. We're the minority here I guess, in that we don't just want a reskinned EQ1.

[webrunner5]

12 year old Japanese girl would have more sense than you, "OMG GAME SUCKS" when seeing a short reveal which in turn did not show anything that mattered.(core gameplay, social interaction, penalties, etc)

You know, all of the reasons people play p99. I do agree, however, that this stuff will probably be dissapointing when revealed as well. The point im trying to make is that the things that have mattered weren't even revealed. I would be pretty ignoramus to state anything is good or sucks at this point in time.

Sorry, I came off too harsh on you. And you have some good points. But to me the Video was just a TOTAL letdown. It just looks like WoW on Warp Drive. No way in hell am I going to play some game with lighting bolts, and fire, and dirt clods, smoke, etc, going all over hell and and back. And toons with weapons and shoulder pads bigger than they are running around like Ninja's.

That stuff appeals to 12 year old kids. But guess what, when EQ first came out most people playing it were 12 year old kids. I can sort of see why they have taken the same route. Its all about the MONEY. But not going to be my money.

[liveitup1216]

I knew it wasn't going to be a remade EQ1 so I wasn't disappointed. From a modern mmo perspective, the game sounds phenomenal compared to what's out there. I'm hoping they make it hard still and take out that get-out-of-the-fire tell graphic. Still eager to see the class design, travel, death, and actual combat UI. I don't have high hopes for meaningful death/travel/combat, but one can sort of hope.

[Kittyheart]

i guess im the only one who thought it has potential

Oh It "has" potential. But its a matter of whether it lives up to it or not. But I think its has to be said that no evidence was given to it living up to the values of Everquest One.

One could even draw conclusions to say that they still view those "values" as weaknesses(having to travel places manually, or a emphasis on group based combat.)

[Champion_Standing]

Would be a lot cooler if this thread wasn't about a couple faggots flaming each other.

[Gaffin Deeppockets]

Yep. Kerrans be looking like retarded Taurens. They showed 1 Animation of the ground being pushed in 10 times in a row with no actual combat. Armor looks horrible. Ive always hated the huge armor look just like eq2/WoW, specially the shoulderpads. Unless alot of things are changed though, it already looks like a huge letdown for me. Cool you can break the enviroment up, and fly, who cares.

The enviroment changing over time is the only thing I liked.

[Dragonmist]

I was hoping particle effects could be turned off and yea more in depth things could have been shown.

[Zanti]

And toons with weapons and shoulder pads bigger than they are running around like Ninja's

That part in the presentation really got to me when he was talking about the "parcour" like world travel (aside from the awful notion of implementing double jumping). "Oh and by the way folks you don't have to press any extra buttons to jump over these objects... the game does it for you!" LoL :confused:

[silkwormxl]

Would be a lot cooler if this thread wasn't about a couple faggots flaming each other.

a couple faggots

faggots

DAT LOGIC