Sad America

[Vaildez]

Disgusting....POTUS Just had to stick his nose in this media spawned trial verdict... You would think he may be more concerned about the double digit deaths of young black men that could have been him in his home town of Chicago every weekend.


http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/19/19563211-obama-trayvon-martin-could-have-been-me-35-years-ago

[Mesenkomaha]

Disgusting....POTUS Just had to stick his nose in this media spawned trial verdict... You would think he may be more concerned about the double digit deaths of young black men that could have been him in his home town of Chicago every weekend.


http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/19/19563211-obama-trayvon-martin-could-have-been-me-35-years-ago

No money to be made in reporting or talking about black on black violence. To examine this subject would require uncovering some ugly truths as to why blacks kill each other at alarming rates. Easier just to blame white people and continue screaming racism rather than looking at fundamental problems with poor/minority culture.

[Malice_Mizer]

Did you read the fucking article, you worm?

How does what he says not make any sense to you? Totally reasonable series of statements.

[Malice_Mizer]

If your take-away from what happened in Sanford is, "Another black kid dead," then you haven't been listening at all apparently.

It's about what people find inherently suspicious in America, what they deem a threat to themselves, and how black people interact with the communities they're a part of.

That's all Obama was talking about. Being followed in a department store because somebody thinks you're going to steal something. A woman clutching her purse when you enter an elevator. Things that this president has PERSONALLY experienced as a black man in America.

What is so difficult to understand here?

[Mesenkomaha]

Did you read the fucking article, you worm?

How does what he says not make any sense to you? Totally reasonable series of statements.

I did read it. It's the same blah blah blah crap that flows from his mouth all day long. Just the same race baiting, dividing crap. Hope and change right? This is coming from someone who actually FELL for what he was selling and voted for the guy!

[Mesenkomaha]

If your take-away from what happened in Sanford is, "Another black kid dead," then you haven't been listening at all apparently.

It's about what people find inherently suspicious in America, what they deem a threat to themselves, and how black people interact with the communities they're a part of.

That's all Obama was talking about. Being followed in a department store because somebody thinks you're going to steal something. A woman clutching her purse when you enter an elevator. Things that this president has PERSONALLY experienced as a black man in America.

What is so difficult to understand here?

He isn't a black man. He is a white-black. A rich, 1% white-black man that grew up in Hawaii. He knows nothing about what REAL black people have to go through. He is a WHITE-BLACK.

[Vaildez]

Why would he pick this case though? There was no evidence that there was any racial motive even though he suggests there likely was.

If more gun laws are the solution why isn't it working in Chicago which has some of the strictest laws?

[Daldolma]

i find it unlikely that obama was pinning a neighborhood watchman to the ground and repeatedly beating on his head 35 years ago

[Vaildez]

He found a case that drew tons of a media attention like Sandy Hook and hes using it to push his political agenda. No wonder he has the worst approval rating of all presidents.

[Malice_Mizer]

He isn't a black man. He is a white-black. A rich, 1% white-black man that grew up in Hawaii. He knows nothing about what REAL black people have to go through. He is a WHITE-BLACK.

You know absolutely nothing about the nature or history of race in America, very obviously.

If you look at Obama and say that when he walks into a super market, people around him would say, "There goes a white-black man," you are dense.

Race is attributed to you by others. You don't get to choose it. In America's past, plenty of black people did what was known as "passed" as being white, and lived relatively normal lives being perceived as white by society. It's about how society treats you and how they categorize you, not about your fucking genealogy.

[Massive Marc]

If your take-away from what happened in Sanford is, "Another black kid dead," then you haven't been listening at all apparently.


Honestly, that's all you can really take away from this.

[Malice_Mizer]

Also: pretty sure it's called "multiracial," not "white-black," whatever the hell that is.

Are you in middle school or something?

[Vaildez]

You know absolutely nothing about the nature or history of race in America, very obviously.

If you look at Obama and say that when he walks into a super market, people around him would say, "There goes a white-black man," you are dense.

Race is attributed to you by others. You don't get to choose it. In America's past, plenty of black people did what was known as "passed" as being white, and lived relatively normal lives being perceived as white by society. It's about how society treats you and how they categorize you, not about your fucking genealogy.

Yeah I am quite sure when Obama as a child walking into supermarkets with his burberry and Lacoste Polos people were sure judging him big time!

[Mesenkomaha]

Also: pretty sure it's called "multiracial," not "white-black," whatever the hell that is.

Are you in middle school or something?

The phrase "white-black" went right over your head. Funny and somewhat ironic.

[Dermis]

He isn't a black man. He is a white-black. A rich, 1% white-black man that grew up in Hawaii. He knows nothing about what REAL black people have to go through. He is a WHITE-BLACK.

You think that matters? White racists see black and white, not black and "white-black" and white. To them Obama is black. I'm pretty sure it's shoot first and trace family trees later.

[Daldolma]

You think that matters? White racists see black and white, not black and "white-black" and white. To them Obama is black. I'm pretty sure it's shoot first and trace family trees later.

what about to hispanics with a demonstrated history of racial acceptance and multiple volunteer mentorships of black youth?

just out of curiosity

[Malice_Mizer]

The phrase "white-black" went right over your head. Funny and somewhat ironic.

Heard Hannity and his panel refer to Obama as that several times the other night in complete seriousness.

[r00t]

Everything this president has done is outrageous. From selling our children's futures to his bankster owners, drone bombing third world children, eviscerating the bill of rights; and now comparing himself to some common street thug that was righteously gunned down in self defense by a true blooded American hero.

[Mesenkomaha]

Heard Hannity and his panel refer to Obama as that several times the other night in complete seriousness.

I don't have cable and even if I did I wouldn't watch cable news. Talk about brain rot.

I used the term "white-black" because the media in this country keeps labeling Zimmerman as a "white-Hispanic" instead of multiracial or Hispanic. See what they do? They make words and labels up if it makes their stories more polarizing.

[Vaildez]

I don't have cable and even if I did I wouldn't watch cable news. Talk about brain rot.

I used the term "white-black" because the media in this country keeps labeling Zimmerman as a "white-Hispanic" instead of multiracial or Hispanic. See what they do? They make words and labels up if it makes their stories more polarizing.

What Hispanic man killing a black man? That's not a news headline!

[Mesenkomaha]

What Hispanic man killing a black man? That's not a news headline!

Neither is black kills black, black kills Hispanic, or black kills white.

*crickets*

[Malice_Mizer]

I don't have cable and even if I did I wouldn't watch cable news. Talk about brain rot.

I used the term "white-black" because the media in this country keeps labeling Zimmerman as a "white-Hispanic" instead of multiracial or Hispanic. See what they do? They make words and labels up if it makes their stories more polarizing.

Were you of age to fill out the 2010 census? Remember when they ask for your race, and one of the options is, "White, non-Hispanic?"

It's an identity. The media didn't concoct this idea to annoy patriotic Americans such as yourself.

From the wiki page about "White Hispanics:"

"White Americans are therefore divided between "White Hispanic" and "Non Hispanic White," the former consisting of White Americans who report Hispanophone ancestry (Spain and Hispanic Latin America), and the latter consisting of White Americans who do not report Hispanophone ancestry."

Zimmerman identifies as a white hispanic. "White-Black" is not even a thing.

[Hasbinbad]

you both have points about obama ..

on the one hand, he does experience racism based on his skin color.

on the other hand, he was brought up in a very privileged manner, and doesn't have "american black" roots (the europeans-owned-african-slave-trade kind). he is "african american" in a different sense than the people who are here now because of slavery, and closer to an american culture now than to an african one.

[Hasbinbad]

closer to an american culture now than to an african one.
^referring to "american blacks" so to speak, with slavery roots in this country.

[bloodmuffin]

Were you of age to fill out the 2010 census? Remember when they ask for your race, and one of the options is, "White, non-Hispanic?"

It's an identity. The media didn't concoct this idea to annoy patriotic Americans such as yourself.

From the wiki page about "White Hispanics:"

"White Americans are therefore divided between "White Hispanic" and "Non Hispanic White," the former consisting of White Americans who report Hispanophone ancestry (Spain and Hispanic Latin America), and the latter consisting of White Americans who do not report Hispanophone ancestry."

Zimmerman identifies as a white hispanic. "White-Black" is not even a thing.

Where's my option for white-asian?

[Malice_Mizer]

doesn't have "american black" roots (the europeans-owned-african-slave-trade kind).

Obama is related to the first slave in the United States.

From his mother's side.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-related-to-first-american-slave/1

[Massive Marc]

^referring to "american blacks" so to speak, with slavery roots in this country.

We call them white-washed.

[Malice_Mizer]

Where's my option for white-asian?

I forgot that modern Asians find their ancestral roots in Europe and its Conquistadors.

[Samoht]

Obama is related to the first slave in the United States.

From his mother's side.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-related-to-first-american-slave/1

so then he's irish?

[Hasbinbad]

Obama is related to the first slave in the United States.

From his mother's side.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/07/obama-related-to-first-american-slave/1
im related to barbara bush .. so what?

[Malice_Mizer]

"President Obama is traditionally viewed as an African-American because of his father's heritage in Kenya. However, while researching his Caucasian mother, Stanley Ann Dunham's lineage, Ancestry.com genealogists found her to have African heritage as well, which piqued the researchers' interest and inspired further digging into Obama's African-American roots.

In tracing the family back from Obama's mother, Ancestry.com used DNA analysis to learn that her ancestors, known as white landowners in Colonial Virginia, actually descended from an African man. Existing records suggest that this man, John Punch, had children with a white woman who then passed her free status on to their offspring. Punch's descendants went on to be free, successful land owners in a Virginia entrenched in slavery."

[Malice_Mizer]

im related to barbara bush .. so what?

So, Obama has conclusive ties to an African-American slave from Virginia, and therefore has roots in the black American experience as it relates to history.

[Hasbinbad]

So, Obama has conclusive ties to an African-American slave from Virginia, and therefore has roots in the black American experience as it relates to history.
if you look up the definition of "a stretch," as in "That's a stretch! LOL," you will find a reference to the quoted sentence.

[Samoht]

So, Obama has conclusive ties to an African-American slave from Virginia, and therefore has roots in the black American experience as it relates to history.

he got that experience in hawaii, right?

or was it indonesia.

i get confused about which of those is in the deep south.

[Hasbinbad]

I'm talking about growing up with great-grandma (or your neighbors great-grandma) telling stories about coming up very hard.. and when I was a kid, there were still people alive who had known ex-slaves .. we're not that far from it.

[Hasbinbad]

I'm talking about growing up with great-grandma (or your neighbors great-grandma) telling stories about coming up very hard.. and when I was a kid, there were still people alive who had known ex-slaves .. we're not that far from it.
obama never experienced ^

[Malice_Mizer]

he got that experience in hawaii, right?

or was it indonesia.

i get confused about which of those is in the deep south.

So black people who live on the West Coast, North-East, Mid-West, or anywhere else other than the "Deep South" don't have a valid claim to their history and its implications?

Good to know all these white guys get to police the history, experience, meaning, and qualifications for what it means to be black in America.

[Samoht]

yes. black people growing up in hawaii and indonesia have no idea what it's like to grow up black in the deep south.

i can't believe i really had to type that...

[Malice_Mizer]

Do you want me to go through a list of some of the most explosive race riots in this country's history?

Surprisingly, many of the worst didn't happen in the deep south! See, this thing happened in the early-mid 20th century called the "Great Migration," where huge numbers of African Americans fled the South and populated other regions of the US.

One of the worst cities for race relations and race riots in this country's history is the city of Chicago, bud. You're working off of stereotypes that the South was the epitome of racism and everywhere else in America was Heaven by comparison.

[Samoht]

no i'm working off reality where obama lived in hawaii and indonesia and has no idea what it's like to be hated by his white overlords or his black kindred for being a cross breed.

obama has no idea what it's like to be a black child in america. he never was one.

[Hasbinbad]

obama has no idea what it's like to be a black child in america. he never was one.
I think this is arguable, I think it is more telling that he didn't grow up with slavery as a major theme in his family life.

[Malice_Mizer]

no i'm working off reality where obama lived in hawaii and indonesia and has no idea what it's like to be hated by his white overlords or his black kindred for being a cross breed.

obama has no idea what it's like to be a black child in america. he never was one.

http://the-gaggle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/homer-disappearing-gif.gif

[Samoht]

well yeah, he's so far removed from any alleged roots by both time and distance that it's negligible

obama's black side is kenyan
obama's african-american side is from 300 years ago

he's clearly been oppressed by the white man all his life.

[Samoht]

http://the-gaggle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/homer-disappearing-gif.gif

is this supposed to be some kind of retort? or surrender?

This message is hidden because Malice_Mizer is on your ignore list.

that's better

[Malice_Mizer]

he's clearly been oppressed by the white man all his life.

Doesn't matter what your personal history is. The vestiges of that same white supremacist social and economic order of America affect Barack Obama, too. Do you think a person from, say, Ethiopia, who comes to America today, has never been here, has no relatives here, is going to be treated ultimately any differently from an African American who can trace their family line back to when slavery was abolished (because their entire family history was systematically wiped out prior to this time)? To the department store own, to the woman in fear for her safety and property, and the George Zimmermans of the world, you are BLACK. And that's all that matters. The color of your skin.

George Zimmerman didn't know the nationality or genealogical history of Trayvon when he profiled him, stalked him, and killed him. He only knew the color of his skin, and that's all that matters in a racist social order, friend.

I'm trying to think of a way to explain this to a person who takes literally no time or effort in trying to understand the influence of history on the lives of people today.

[Bodeanicus]

Obama has lived in both worlds. He was raised by his white grandparents in white culture, but has experienced the bigotry associated with having dominant African physical features. He's half white/half black, figuratively and literally.

[Kagatob]

Did you read the fucking article, you worm?


Gotta admit, I lol'd so fucking hard.

Slurm's McKenzie.

[Reapin]

If your take-away from what happened in Sanford is, "Another black kid dead," then you haven't been listening at all apparently.

It's about what people find inherently suspicious in America, what they deem a threat to themselves, and how black people interact with the communities they're a part of.

That's all Obama was talking about. Being followed in a department store because somebody thinks you're going to steal something. A woman clutching her purse when you enter an elevator. Things that this president has PERSONALLY experienced as a black man in America.

What is so difficult to understand here?

The city of Detroit illustrates this perfectly. The automotive industry was in the heart of the city, then when the heart of the city began to turn brown the jobs moved to the suburbs instead of letting the minority community benefit from those jobs. It is a fact that if you are not White you are not looked at as an equal with the majority white population.

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/rbwstudy.html

[Malice_Mizer]

Gotta admit, I lol'd so fucking hard.

Slurm's McKenzie.

Was directed at Vaildez, as evidenced by the timestamp.

But I'm glad I was able to bring some joy and cartoon-related humor to you and your anime pillow girlfriend. :)

[Samoht]

George Zimmerman didn't know the nationality or genealogical history of Trayvon when he profiled him, stalked him, and killed him. He only knew the color of his skin, and that's all that matters in a racist social order, friend.

how out of touch can one moron be?

gz was verified not a racist by the FBI.

gz was acquitted of any wrong doing by a jury of his peers.

your description of the events that evening are also clearly racially charged, yet you have the nerve to call me a bigot. fucking hypocrite.

[Kagatob]

Doesn't matter what your personal history is. The vestiges of that same white supremacist social and economic order of America affect Barack Obama, too. Do you think a person from, say, Ethiopia, who comes to America today, has never been here, has no relatives here, is going to be treated ultimately any differently from an African American who can trace their family line back to when slavery was abolished (because their entire family history was systematically wiped out prior to this time)? To the department store own, to the woman in fear for her safety and property, and the George Zimmermans of the world, you are BLACK. And that's all that matters. The color of your skin.

George Zimmerman didn't know the nationality or genealogical history of Trayvon when he profiled him, stalked him, and killed him. He only knew the color of his skin, and that's all that matters in a racist social order, friend.

I'm trying to think of a way to explain this to a person who takes literally no time or effort in trying to understand the influence of history on the lives of people today.

You need to stop toting this color above all else mentality, as you and the rest of the white guilt/Trayvon apologists are the only ones who make every fucking issue about race. Live and let live never enters your head. Times change, things have gotten better but because not every single thing is perfect you act as if nothing has changed at all. I'm not talking about the people at the top, they don't just hate black people they hate everyone, Asians, Mexicans, Jews, Middle Easterners, AND Whites.

I'm talking about society in general. Stop trying to claim that nothing has changed and stop trying to justify violence as some type of solution. Things are better today because of people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks not because of extremists like HBB's idol Malcolm X.

[Kagatob]

how out of touch can one moron be?

gz was verified not a racist by the FBI.

gz was acquitted of any wrong doing by a jury of his peers.

I'm surprised 'peers' isn't in quotes, as 5 White women and one african-american woman aren't exactly a hispanic male's peers. Yet even not being his peers they still saw the evidence as it was... go figure. :cool:

[Hasbinbad]

he's clearly been oppressed by the white man all his life.
yeah my point, if u go back and read it tho, is that he DOES in fact suffer racism based on his skin tone, even tho he is not what we're talking about "black american" or whatever.. Both are true, not either/or.

[Malice_Mizer]

You need to stop toting this color above all else mentality, as you and the rest of the white guilt/Trayvon apologists are the only ones who make every fucking issue about race. Live and let live never enters your head. Times change, things have gotten better but because not every single thing is perfect you act as if nothing has changed at all. I'm not talking about the people at the top, they don't just hate black people they hate everyone, Asians, Mexicans, Jews, Middle Easterners, AND Whites.

I'm talking about society in general. Stop trying to claim that nothing has changed and stop trying to justify violence as some type of solution. Things are better today because of people like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks not because of extremists like HBB's idol Malcolm X.

You're good at quoting but not reading, my friend.

Not gonna change the mind of a person who refuses to understand American history and how slates are never wiped clean. Is that what you honestly think..? That after MLK, the slate was wiped clean, and everything is OK now..?

You argue that "things are not perfect," and in the same breath argue that explicit institutional racism against black people specifically doesn't exist. The history and state of African Americans in this country is different from any other minority you oddly lump together into one giant group. I understand why an "Anti-'White-Guilter'" like yourself indulges in a color-blind philosophy-- largely to make yourself feel better and atone for the privileges you're privy to-- but it's a self-serving and ignorant philosophy. It has no basis in statistics, power distribution, or reality.

[Samoht]

yourself indulges in a color-blind philosophy

pretty sure malice_moron just called you not racist

i think we might be getting somewhere

[Malice_Mizer]

pretty sure malice_moron just called you not racist

i think we might be getting somewhere

Good Christ, you're a proud idiot.

We can't even have a conversation about this because you're so unwilling to even have the same basic vocabulary.

[Kagatob]

You're good at quoting but not reading, my friend.
Right back at ya, see why below:
Not gonna change the mind of a person who refuses to understand American history and how slates are never wiped clean. Is that what you honestly think..? That after MLK, the slate was wiped clean, and everything is OK now..?
Things have gotten better =/= Everything is all better. Stop being so desperate to prove what you call a 'point' because your stance has already been usurped and you are left with a point or two and a metric fuckton of white guilt.
You argue that "things are not perfect," and in the same breath argue that explicit institutional racism against black people specifically doesn't exist. The history and state of African Americans in this country is different from any other minority you oddly lump together into one giant group. I understand why an "Anti-'White-Guilter'" like yourself indulges in a color-blind philosophy-- largely to make yourself feel better and atone for the privileges you're privy to-- but it's a self-serving and ignorant philosophy. It has no basis in statistics, power distribution, or reality.

Atoning for privileges I'm privy to? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you honestly telling people that to be ashamed of the color of their skin they were born with?

You say that and have the nerve to call a color-blind philosophy self-serving (AKA racist)? Surly you jest.

[Daldolma]

i like to self-flagellate biweekly to atone for the sins my ancestors would have committed or tacitly supported if they had lived in america

[Malice_Mizer]

Right back at ya, see why below:

Things have gotten better =/= Everything is all better. Stop being so desperate to prove what you call a 'point' because your stance has already been usurped and you are left with a point or two and a metric fuckton of white guilt.


Atoning for privileges I'm privy to? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you honestly telling people that to be ashamed of the color of their skin they were born with?

You say that and have the nerve to call a color-blind philosophy self-serving (AKA racist)? Surly you jest.

You talk a lot but don't make a single notable point for me to even respond to. It's incredible. You talk like a politician. Lots of rhetorical questions and bluster, but literally nothing of substance.

My point still stands. Your view of race in America is not substantiated in any way, shape or form.

[Kagatob]

You talk a lot but don't make a single notable point for me to even respond to. It's incredible. You talk like a politician. Lots of rhetorical questions and bluster, but literally nothing of substance.

My point still stands. Your view of race in America is not substantiated in any way, shape or form.

Translation: I look at facts and don't let my emotions distort my perception.

Sound like a politician? Don't know where you got that.

[Dazen]

I know one thing for sure, i'm sick and tired of listening to you goddamn race baiters! You are not moving things forward, only backwards.

[Samoht]

You talk a lot but don't make a single notable point for me to even respond to. It's incredible. You talk like a politician. Lots of rhetorical questions and bluster, but literally nothing of substance.

My point still stands. Your view of race in America is not substantiated in any way, shape or form.

you talk a lot but ignore all facts. it's incredible. it's like you're completely disjointed from reality and then you throw in some ad hominem attacks.

you have no fucking point. you never did. you never will. you intentionally ignore the point of posts and focus strictly on literal translations of the words. it's almost as if you have zero reasoning skills. hyerpboles > you

[Malice_Mizer]

you talk a lot but ignore all facts. it's incredible. it's like you're completely disjointed from reality and then you throw in some ad hominem attacks.

you have no fucking point. you never did. you never will. you intentionally ignore the point of posts and focus strictly on literal translations of the words. it's almost as if you have zero reasoning skills. hyerpboles > you

I almost feel bad for Kagatob that he has to argue alongside you.

[Sidelle]

Try being a member of a race that never even gets mentioned. Neither white nor black assholes were even here at one point. The natives were. Where's the white apology for that whole extravaganza? Was it Chris Rock who made the joke once in his stand-up act about how you never see native american families just chillin in Red Lobster? Lol. I guess it just is what it is...

P.S. Thanks for the blankets, motherfuckers.

[Samoht]

I almost feel bad for Kagatob that he has to argue alongside you.

thank you for proving my point

[Malice_Mizer]

thank you for proving my point

OH SAMOHT IS WHITE-KNIGHTING

HOW GAY, BRO

SO AND SO ... FELATE EACHOTHER ... SUCH AND SUCH ... FAG.




(A thinly veiled reference to you mocking me when you and Alawen were arguing, in case you didn't pick up on that. And I'm certain you won't, so I'm just explaining it for you ahead of time.)

[Sidelle]

Indians stink I told you that you had a stinky vagina, go find a river you dirty eslut.

I still wanna see that pic of your tiny little baby dick. Not sure if cameras csn zoom in on something that small though. =/

[Samoht]

FAG.

whoah

who is the bigot now?

[Malice_Mizer]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/39c710a6224730bf10db4febaa37a130/tumblr_meunrabcyc1r43l79o1_400.jpg

[Kelsar]

The POTUS knows about law, which is why I'm baffled by his statements. It has nothing to do with race, color, or whatever - it's what the law friggen says and its interpretation.

e.g. perv shoots of a photo up a girl's skirt. yeah, it's wrong but the perv broke no law. She was in a public place and there is no expectation of privacy in public. -- think about that. If you want the LAW changed, YOU have to get involved.

President should know this better than most... Now as that applies to stand your ground - if you're that upset about the verdict, get involved and change the law.

So mad about this horrid reaction from the POTUS - way to put fuel on the fire.

[Alawen]

It's really not okay the way a few revolting voices on RnF turn the whole thing into a bigoted, hateful mess.

[Samoht]

It's really not okay the way a few revolting voices on RnF turn the whole thing into a bigoted, hateful mess.

alawen is betrayed by his knight

[Malice_Mizer]

The POTUS knows about law, which is why I'm baffled by his statements. It has nothing to do with race, color, or whatever - it's what the law friggen says and its interpretation.

e.g. perv shoots of a photo up a girl's skirt. yeah, it's wrong but the perv broke no law. She was in a public place and there is no expectation of privacy in public. -- think about that. If you want the LAW changed, YOU have to get involved.

President should know this better than most... Now as that applies to stand your ground - if you're that upset about the verdict, get involved and change the law.

So mad about this horrid reaction from the POTUS - way to put fuel on the fire.

So are you mad that the President isn't getting involved enough, or mad that he's getting involved at all..?

What was the up-skirt peeping reference about? If the President thought that Stand Your Ground laws were wrong (the jury was advised to take the law into consideration-- so despite what some people have said on these boards, the jury did consider the law in this case), shouldn't he get involved to see that such state laws are repealed? Are you saying it's just totally wrong for a President to get involved in a huge news story? What about Terri Schiavo, for example? This sort of thing happens literally all of the time, because the President is the figurehead of the United States. This was a huge international story.

[Sidelle]

Show us a picture of your stomach guarantee it has stretch marks from being a gigantic fat eslut.

Even if everything nasty you've said about me lately were true (and lol you aren't even close!), it must piss you off that I still wouldn't give you a second look irl and that's even without knowing what you look like. You're a fucking idiot. Now go back to jerking off into your tiny baby-sized sock you lonely, pathetic, no-girlfriend-having, angry, basement dwelling loser.

Sorry for shitting up the thread with this nonsense, everyone.

[Sidelle]

Stop stalking me pls. I am never gonna date you. =/

[Malice_Mizer]

Sorry for shitting up the thread with this nonsense, everyone.

LAY THAT HAMMER DOWN

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[Kelsar]

So are you mad that the President isn't getting involved enough, or mad that he's getting involved at all..?

What was the up-skirt peeping reference about? If the President thought that Stand Your Ground laws were wrong (the jury was advised to take the law into consideration-- so despite what some people have said on these boards, the jury did consider the law in this case), shouldn't he get involved to see that such state laws are repealed? Are you saying it's just totally wrong for a President to get involved in a huge news story? What about Terri Schiavo, for example? This sort of thing happens literally all of the time, because the President is the figurehead of the United States. This was a huge international story.

President has WAY more important things to do than worry about a state law. The president understands how laws and the legal system works. He should have used a call to action to get Americans involved in local voting to repeal such laws, vice likening himself to Trayvon and adding fuel to what is completely NOT racial and making it racial.

The reference was about LAW. We all know it's wrong to do that peeping. Yet no law was broken. Much like stand your ground. Both sides made exercised bad judgment that resulted in a death, yet no law was broken.

This was a huge international story that was sensationalized by the media to draw in ratings. People die every day. People are shot every day. Here are some other examples of LAW working when adults shoot kids:

Black guy shoots a white kid:
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345

Why were those not sensationalized?

[Kagatob]

Black guy shoots a white kid:
http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345

Why were those not sensationalized?

The former wouldn't fuel white guilt and therefore wouldn't sell, anyone reporting on it would be labeled racist for picking and choosing to report on a black man shooting a white teen (teens?).
The latter is without question NOT self-defense and the similarities between this and the Zimmerman trial start and end with "Black teen shot and killed by 'white' male".

[Barkingturtle]

Have not read a single post in this thread because I don't find your opinions worth reading. Still, I'm so benevolent I will share a secret with your unwashed asses:

Obama's a politician, guys. His statements are a safe move, appealing to an important, fast-growing constituency and only irritating people who hate him no matter what he does due to their big-black-dick-envy.

[Mesenkomaha]

Have not read a single post in this thread because I don't find your opinions worth reading. Still, I'm so benevolent I will share a secret with your unwashed asses:

Obama's a politician, guys. His statements are a safe move, appealing to an important, fast-growing constituency and only irritating people who hate him no matter what he does due to their big-black-dick-envy.

Smart.

Look at all of the bitching, bickering, and worthless back and forth. Doesn't it feel like we are all being distracted by this shit that doesn't even matter? Seriously, does this case make your life any different? We are being dazzled by the lights while the shitty economy is still stagnant, NSA/IRS scandals going on, and the continual leakings of how screwed up the Affordable Healthcare Act is. So long as we are fighting each other about something so pointless, the real issues will remain under the rug.

Divide and conquer.

[Malice_Mizer]

Look at all of the bitching, bickering, and worthless back and forth. Doesn't it feel like we are all being distracted by this shit that doesn't even matter? Seriously, does this case make your life any different?

The difference between us is that I don't think of everything in terms of, "Does this directly benefit me? Good!" "Does this directly harm me in some way? Bad!"

And I certainly don't vote that way, nor form my political/economic beliefs in that way. I personally believe that a person like George Zimmerman and his example makes this country less safe for all people. That is a communal consideration that I have made. I will definitely not be affected by the same concerns and issues affecting a person like Trayvon Martin, which is the only point that President Obama was making today: that certain members of our society dwell in a shadow of constant suspicion and distrust by the other members of our society.

It's sad, because we're all the children of a generation that dealt with race in the same way you all are: ignore it completely. Pretend it doesn't exist, pretend it's not a huge factor in the way this country has formed and developed, and certainly pretend that we're not all obligated to address it in some way. Wake the fuck up.

[Samoht]

that certain members of our society dwell in a shadow of constant suspicion and distrust by the other members of our society.

are you trying to imply that certain members of our society (specifically wankster thug wannabes) don't deserve to be under constant suspicion?

pretend that we're not all obligated to address it in some way.

address it? address what? what the fuck are you even talking about? do you have a fucking point?

[Kelsar]

pretend we're not obligated to address it.... I think Zimmerman already did address it.

I'll address it: I certainly have no problem shoot anyone of any color if they're coming at me wrong. I would highly encourage you to get yourself a gun.

[Malice_Mizer]

I'd rather die than be responsible for another person's death.

But I also don't fear death b/c hard.

[Alawen]

Person most likely to get shot by your gun: your kid.

[Tasslehofp99]

Person most likely to get shot by your gun: your kid.

Solution: dont have retarded kids, or lock your gun up if that is not an option.

[Malice_Mizer]

Spoken like a true social Darwinist.

Let's watch you abandon your ideology as soon as something unfavorable happens to you.

[Alawen]

Unarmed security guard has all the answers.

[Tasslehofp99]

Another solution :do away with laws that allow someone to shoot another person who is unarmed. The law is the issue here, not race. All of this fucking bullshit over such a simple case is due to the fact that in florida people can legally murder someone as long as they prove they were being threatened in some capacity. I mean, in most other states, zimmermans case would have been a quick and painless case.

At the very least this guy got away with manslaughter. I mean cops in many states aren't allowed to use their guns unless one is drawn or fired on them first. Even if trayvon had a knife in my state zimmerman would be hit with SOME kind of manslaughter. You can't claim self defense when your assailant is unarmed, that's common sense. The people of Florida should be the one's who are ashamed for allowing such crazy laws such as "stand your ground" to be passed. The people in florida are the ones to blame for such a gross miscarriage of justice, no other person or government entity.

[Tasslehofp99]

Spoken like a true social Darwinist.

Let's watch you abandon your ideology as soon as something unfavorable happens to you.

Many unfavorable things have happened to me in a very short period of time. I've learned that there is no grounds for excessive reform to gun control because its already far too gone.

At any rate, I've never been faced with a situation where I needed a weapon to defend myself thankfully. And the few times that I've been in a situation where my life is being threatened in some way, a gun would have done very little to get me out of the situation. My argument personally against gun control has more to do with the fact that its just not going to fix anything, in fact, it will just create new issues.

Plus why should americans give up their guns when the US government has been buying up weapons and ammunition at an alarming rate each year (for non military government organizations) and claiming that it is for training purposes. Now when I say buying ammo at an alarming rate I mean buying more ammo last year than was used in iraq/afghanistan for the first 2 years. I also mention the governmnts claims that these purchases are for training purposes yet the ammo they are buying are hollowpoints. No military branch or police force as far as I know "trains" with hollowpoints. Those rounds are designed to kill people.


So sure, give up your guns and join in the crusade against those of us who know our rights as americans, and see how you feel when the man comes-a-knockin. Atleast ill be ready to shoot back.

[Malice_Mizer]

So sure, give up your guns and join in the crusade against those of us who know our rights as americans, and see how you feel when the man comes-a-knockin. Atleast ill be ready to shoot back.

Do you think you'll be able to stand up to the US government or something? The US military for that matter, if an order is sent to kill or capture you, for whatever reason?

They have jets, helicopters, tanks, ships, and last but certainly not least, drones. If there comes a time in US history where the US government is sending troops to your door to kill you and we're in such a state of fucking anarchy that you feel your only option is to kill American soldiers "on your way out", then you fighting back won't mean a whole hell of a lot, friend.

How exactly does this dooms-day scenario play out in your head? These are individual members of society taking orders, whether they be a runt soldier or an FBI agent. How you justify this fantasy as a reason to stockpile munitions is totally delusional and honestly frightening.

[Alorae]

You can't claim self defense when your assailant is unarmed, that's common sense.

How about if a guy is on you, beating you, and trying to grab your gun? People act like an unarmed person can't easily kill you, and that if 2 people are unarmed then they are a perfectly even match.

[Alawen]

How about if a guy is on you, beating you, and trying to grab your gun? People act like an unarmed person can't easily kill you, and that if 2 people are unarmed then they are a perfectly even match.

Maybe take a few more MMA classes and lose a little weight before trying to mix it up next time?

:cool:

[Alawen]

I sent that bitch a smiley.

[Alorae]

I'm too busy for MMA classes. The gun makes up for it.

[Alawen]

Sorry about your kid.

[Yardcore]

He isn't a black man. He is a white-black. A rich, 1% white-black man that grew up in Hawaii. He knows nothing about what REAL black people have to go through. He is a WHITE-BLACK.

RFN not really my thing...anyway.

To be honest, Obama's background is pretty rough. He had a broken home, and he is self-made. To make it this far; I think he really pushed himself with great discipline.

I heard people said, racism is over, now a day, its about Rich vs. Poor. I wish that is the case but in reality, its not.

Racism is stronger than ever.

[Tasslehofp99]

Zimmerman had no right to even confront trayvon, and if I was wrongfully approached in an aggressive manner I woupd certainly defend myself by any means necessary. Now, if I'm trayvon in this sitiation I tell zimmerman to fuck off and leace me alone. The circumstances surrounding their scuffle are quite shady and again, only reason zimmermans not in jail is due to insane laws in florida which allowed him to squeeze his way out of a jail sentence.


If you think this case is an argument for gun control, why? Zimmerman had every right to be holding his gun, he just happened to be too stupid to realize the situation he was in didn't warrant it. It was his own fault if trayvon was truly on top of him beating his face in, because he confronted him unnecessarily. The controversey surrounding this case is so misdirected it makes me sick. No one calls into question the serious flaws in florida state law, where are the people upin arms about this "stand your ground" bullshit.


Its almost like arguing for gun control by saying no one should have guns after some spergy kid shoots up a movie theater. What about the people who bought those guns for him or sold those guns to him, why are they not the ones punished? Why should law abiding citizens lose their rights because a few situations arise in which guns were unlawfully used?


And you keep bringing up kids as if they're the main argument against gun control, why? Parents who wish to own firearms are responsible for their kids, no one else. If a gun ends up in the hands of a child the parents should be punished for the death, not law abiding citizens who own guns.


You need to realize that people are responsible for themselves, if people and the government are always worried about the incapable folks in the country there will never be room for progress for those of us who are able to lawfully protect ourselves and our families. I don't care about some redneck who can't lock his ammo or his gun up, if their dumb asses let their kids get into their guns I don't feel a second of pity or sorrow. Its just one less idiot in the world, the sad thing is these irresponsible parents aren't held accountable. Much in the way zimmerman wasn't held accountable for his unlawful actions.

Enough of this post baby boomer "lets all hold the hands of the slow, meek, and unfortunate "hippy bullshit. I'm tired of seeing this pityful attitude all over the place. Take care of yourself and yours, leave everyone else the fuck alone, and everything will be ok. Stop trying to change the world or laws because you feel bad for everyone who isn't capable of taking care of their own business. I bet you feel bad for ignorant assholes that take loans they know they can't afford, more bailouts and welfare for them too right? Fuck that noise, this shitty way of feeling bad for lazy/stupid/scared is the damn reason no progress is ever made in this country.

Whats next? Calorie control for fat fucks? They already just banned sodas larger than 20 ounces from being sold in new york city, why should I be limited in choice of drink size? Because some fat asshole can't stay under 250 pounds? When does this shitty pattern end in this country?

[Alorae]

Zimmerman had no right to even confront trayvon

wat


It was his own fault if trayvon was truly on top of him beating his face in

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[Tasslehofp99]

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Would you approach anyone walking down your block or who was walking down their street minding their own business, in an agressive manner? If so, where I'm from, you would probably get beat up too. You can't just go around confronting people who are keeping to themselves and not breaking any laws especially if you're carrying a gun. Zimmerman is lucky it wasn't someone with real mma training because he would be the one dead. I mean think about it, if he was mounted being beaten on, how were his arms free to grab a gun, take the safety off, take aim, and shoot. Especially if trayvon had "mma experience" that would never happen. If you were on top of some one and they were reaching for a gun, you wouldn't let them shoot you before you gauged their eyeballs out or something, especially if you were trained/strong enough to take him down in the first place. Lets be realistic here...

[Kelsar]

Maybe take a few more MMA classes and lose a little weight before trying to mix it up next time?

:cool:

The most dangerous cop is a fat one... They won't run after you. You're getting shot or tazed, lol.

[Kelsar]

Solution: dont have retarded kids, or lock your gun up if that is not an option.

Yup. Teach your kids to have a healthy respect for guns and their intent.

[Samoht]

Would you approach anyone walking down your block or who was walking down their street minding their own business, in an agressive manner?

if he's wearing a hoodie and ducking between houses in the pouring rain and i'm on neighbourhood watch, i'd probably call it in and make an attempt to keep an eye on him, but aggression seems to be a buzz word thrown around by black racists and white apologists to paint what GZ did as wrong.

If so, where I'm from, you would probably get beat up too. You can't just go around confronting people who are keeping to themselves and not breaking any laws especially if you're carrying a gun.

you act like a thug, and you'll most likely end up the same way trayvon did. if you're stupid enough to blindly attack someone for no reason, then you're eventually going to attack the wrong person.

Zimmerman is lucky it wasn't someone with real mma training because he would be the one dead. I mean think about it, if he was mounted being beaten on, how were his arms free to grab a gun, take the safety off, take aim, and shoot. Especially if trayvon had "mma experience" that would never happen. If you were on top of some one and they were reaching for a gun, you wouldn't let them shoot you before you gauged their eyeballs out or something, especially if you were trained/strong enough to take him down in the first place. Lets be realistic here...

yes, let's be realistic. your assumption of the events of the night seem to be disjointed from reality, so we're going to help. i don't know how GZ was wearing his gun, but from a common sense perspective, anyone with a concealed carry will have it strapped in in a way it can quickly and smoothly be unholstered with his shooting hand. it's not going to draw smoothly from any other direction. so GZ is going to be able to unholster his gun, the safety is going to be off, and there's already going to be one in the chamber ultimately nullifying how you think the weapon would be drawn. furhtermore, GZ made the shot with blood in his eyes, mouth, and nose, so he probably didn't aim by looking down the sites. just pointed and fired. we know he would have had a hard time seeing. we know he would have had a hard time breathing.

his life was in danger. and trayvon was armed. the human body has been declared a lethal weapon on more than one occasion. what did you expect GZ to do? did you want him to allow trayvon to kill him and let the legal system work it out later?

let me throw another scenario at you: do you think this world would be better off if another thug wannabe had shown that he was capable of killing? do you think trayvon would have stopped with GZ?

[Malice_Mizer]

Yup. Teach your kids to have a healthy respect for guns and their intent.

If you think that this problem only springs up when parents don't properly educate their children, you're woefully misinformed.

[hatelore]

Malise_mizer you come off as a whiney bitch. Justice 4 Treyvin all you racist mofos!~

[Kagatob]

Would you approach anyone walking down your block or who was walking down their street minding their own business

Considering that he was the head of the neighborhood watch and that it was a gated community and they were not from said gated community (Wasn't his street, it was Zimmerman's), yes.

in an agressive manner?

Try hard much? The evidence available shows the exact opposite.

The rest of your argument falls apart from there and is obviously guided by emotion and a lack of any factual backing. It's not surprising to see people wallowing in ignorance because they feel sticking up for any/all thug teens and apologizing over and over for Trayvon makes them a 'better person' but it's still sad that this is the point people have gotten to. It's almost as sad as the sky daddy hand holders.

[Alawen]

The most dangerous cop is a fat one... They won't run after you. You're getting shot or tazed, lol.

QFT. Fuck the police.