Irony Is:

[Hasbinbad]

George Zimmerman / family worried about vigilante justice.

One can only hope.

[Hasbinbad]

forgot link lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx8byRU15Xk

[Hasbinbad]

No this thread is about vigilante justice. Fuck trials.

[Hasbinbad]

..and irony.

By the way, my name is Hasbinbad, and I make threads and things. Good to meet you.

[abacab-godking2]

I wish I was George Zimmerman facing vigilante justice. I would get to kill so much worthless and idiotic scum of society and be acquitted by an all female jury time and time again. True American hero. Good bears arms against evil. Why does this not happen more often? /orgasm

[Hasbinbad]

..something about the right and responsibility..

..gosh i wish i paid more attention in civics..

..oh wait, they left that part out..

..fuck..

[myriverse]

NO! Wait till after the wrongful death suit.

[Hasbinbad]

what is most fucked up to me is that even if the RnF-bigot version of this story is true, Trayvon would have been the one protected under SYG, but he is dead, so can't defend himself.

[mishurza]

well the next time he gets in a confrontation with someone I will certainly be much more convinced when George Zimmerman says, "I thought he was trying to kill me."
He better keep carrying a gun.

[Daldolma]

NO! Wait till after the wrongful death suit.

zimmerman virtually certain to be awarded immunity from civil suits related to this incident

[Hasbinbad]

Also, all the people who think this is "racist" think it is because zimmerman "looks white" or some shit, are totally missing the point. Zimmermans race is not what is at issue. Had Trayvon been white, this whole thing would have looked much different.

[abacab-godking2]

SYG wouldn't have even come into play because Zimmerman was simply following him in order to lead the police to him. Still would have been self defense, stupid.

[Hasbinbad]

zimmerman's first action after being released was going to the court house to get his concealed weapon permit back
Do you think it will save him?

I hope not. I like the idea of him being attacked in the night by random ninjas out for vengeance.

[Daldolma]

what is most fucked up to me is that even if the RnF-bigot version of this story is true, Trayvon would have been the one protected under SYG, but he is dead, so can't defend himself.

trayvon wasn't charged with a crime

and he'd have a tough time arguing that zimmerman following him was reasonable justification for violent self defense, including continuing to pin zimmerman to the ground and hit his head against the sidewalk after subduing him

but he'd at least have a case for SYG, yes

for some reason, people think trayvon is on trial here. he's not. it's possible that BOTH parties acted within their rights. there are scenarios in which two parties can both be acting in self defense based upon a reasonable apprehension of danger. it's all about a reasonable perception of danger, not who was right or wrong.

zimmerman being acquitted doesn't mean trayvon was found guilty of anything

[Hasbinbad]

Zimmerman was simply following him in order to lead the police to him
#1 the police told him to stop that
#2 he had a loaded weapon, that is never "simply following him," that is "following him while carrying a loaded weapon," regardless of legal language.
#3 if you follow me, im gonna start a fight or chase you off. if that is NOT illegal, it absolutely should be. many laws are unjust and many injustices are not illegal.

[Ahldagor]

so vigilante justice is more correct because why? he was acquitted, let it go

[Hasbinbad]

I think it will save him b/c the majority of his attackers will be holding their gun sideways like a "gangster"
Do I really need to ignore another one of your accounts?

[abacab-godking2]

Trayvon was trespassing in a gated community. Mind blown yet?

[Hasbinbad]

so vigilante justice is more correct because why?
I have actually answered this question IN THIS THREAD. L2 reading comprehension.

[abacab-godking2]

By the way, a dispatcher is not "the police." Nor is following someone against any laws.

If you go into a retail store and security decides to follow you for whatever reason - it's too fucking bad.

[Ahldagor]

I have actually answered this question IN THIS THREAD. L2 reading comprehension.

with this?

#1 the police told him to stop that
#2 he had a loaded weapon, that is never "simply following him," that is "following him while carrying a loaded weapon," regardless of legal language.
#3 if you follow me, im gonna start a fight or chase you off. if that is NOT illegal, it absolutely should be. many laws are unjust and many injustices are not illegal.

so if someone was following you you wouldn't start a fight with them? and what's justice got to do with any of this?

[Ahldagor]

By the way, a dispatcher is not "the police." Nor is following someone against any laws.

If you go into a retail store and security decides to follow you for whatever reason - it's too fucking bad.

danke

[Hasbinbad]

with this?
part of that quote directly answers your question.
what's justice got to do with any of this?
apparently nothing.

[Hasbinbad]

part of that quote directly answers your question.
but not the part that you already assumed.

[myriverse]

If following a person puts them in fear of their life, it most certainly is against the law. That's assault.

[Ahldagor]

part of that quote directly answers your question.

apparently nothing.

but not the part that you already assumed.

doesn't answer my question on whether or not you'd start a fight. i don't know what you would do in the situation hence the question because legality of an action doesn't take away from the action happening. what do you think i'm assuming tho? if zimmerman has a chl then he can follow whomever he wants to with his gun which wouldn't be illegal, and the dispatcher told him to stop to not incur any liability from engagement (subtle action of police is to protect people from their own liabilities)

[Daldolma]

If following a person puts them in fear of their life, it most certainly is against the law. That's assault.

both of these sentences are incorrect

[hatelore]

Do you think it will save him?

I hope not. I like the idea of him being attacked in the night by random ninjas out for vengeance.

QQ, looks like another poor,fat , white apologist is having a bad day :( its ok man, pull on your hoody, have a bagel and go outside for once in your life.

[Ahldagor]

QQ, looks like another poor,fat , white apologist is having a bad day :( its ok man, pull on your hoody, have a bagel and go outside for once in your life.

doesn't he live in cali?

[Samoht]

Trayvon would have been the one protected under SYG

false. you don't get to attack someone simply for being on the same street as you.

the police told him to stop that

false. 911 dispatcher is not police officer.

if you follow me, im gonna start a fight or chase you off.

another idiot wankster dead and off the street. sweet justice.

that's irony.

[Ahldagor]

he does

so much more to do there than on these boards...

[Arclyte]

If I was Zimmerman I would set up an M2 Browning at a chokepoint in my neighborhood with a trail of skittles leading to it

[Hasbinbad]

doesn't answer my question on whether or not you'd start a fight.
wrong part lmao, so whatever u said is silly.

do you really not even understand what you are saying to the point where you don't know which part of that is obviously a direct answer to you?

[Hasbinbad]

both of these sentences are incorrect
not if it's a reasonable assumption to be scared.

[Vaildez]

Also, all the people who think this is "racist" think it is because zimmerman "looks white" or some shit, are totally missing the point. Zimmermans race is not what is at issue. Had Trayvon been white, this whole thing would have looked much different.

You're right it would have been different if Trayvon was white... This story would not have made the national news or gone to trial. The result would have been the exact same with GZ being let go.

[Vaildez]

Just because this made the national news you have organizations like NAACP strong arming for a trial and civil rights violations... Even after the verdict is in they still do not accept it!

[Alarti0001]

Also, all the people who think this is "racist" think it is because zimmerman "looks white" or some shit, are totally missing the point. Zimmermans race is not what is at issue. Had Trayvon been white, this whole thing would have looked much different.

Racist

[chtulu]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63618_10151487395552407_1698137115_n.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

Racist
prove it

[Samoht]

prove it

face it

the only reason you bring it up

the only reason you blindly rage against GZ

is your anti-white prejudice.

in your point of view, a black kid was done an injustice, and all you can see is race.

but the reality is that this was two train wrecks on a collision course from the beginning. i could go into detail, but you and i both know that you're a lost cause.

the loss of life is unfortunate, but i'd be lying if i tried to say it couldn't have happened to a better person.

[Hasbinbad]

i do not have anti-white prejudice

i want to kill whitey

there is a subtle, yet vast difference in those two statements

[Hasbinbad]

i said that wrong, but you know what i mean, fuck off.

[Kagatob]

i do not have anti-white prejudice

i want to kill whitey

The dumbest shit ever posted on the forums.
Start with yourself please. :)

[Raavak]

So tired of this story. Can we move on to some other drama soon?

[Kagatob]

So tired of this story. Can we move on to some other drama soon?

Only after white men like HBB solve the black man's problems for him. It's the only way to ease his (white) guilty conscience.

[Alawen]

I don't claim to understand Hasbinbad's deal. I came to understand systemic racism from empirical evidence. The online gaming community consistently demonstrates the most ignorance and bigotry of any group I've ever encountered. David Duke got nothing on you boys.

[Kagatob]

The online gaming community consistently demonstrates the most ignorance and bigotry of any group I've ever encountered.

[Samoht]

I don't claim to understand Hasbinbad's deal. I came to understand systemic racism from empirical evidence. The online gaming community consistently demonstrates the most ignorance and bigotry of any group I've ever encountered. David Duke got nothing on you boys.

clearly doesn't understand the difference between bigotry and trolling.

if trolls can get a raise out of utilizing buzzwords, they'll do it. only remember one thing: they're just words.

you clearly cannot comprehend what's happened here.

[Hasbinbad]

The dumbest shit ever posted on the forums.
Start with yourself please. :)
Not really. I describe two completely different mindsets. On one hand, you have white-guilt people like you describe, who actually do exist, and then you have me, who wants to kill whitey. By that I mean whiteness, and by that I don't mean white people.

If you're still confused, PM me, and I will post your pm publicly so that everyone can laugh at you.

[Kagatob]

Things racists say.

Not really. I describe two completely different mindsets. On one hand, you have white-guilt people like you describe, who actually do exist, and then you have me, who wants to kill whitey. By that I mean whiteness, and by that I don't mean white people.

If you're still confused, PM me, and I will post your pm publicly so that everyone can laugh at you.

I know what you're trying to say, I'm calling you racist for calling it "white".

[Alawen]

clearly doesn't understand the difference between bigotry and trolling.

if trolls can get a raise out of utilizing buzzwords, they'll do it. only remember one thing: they're just words.

you clearly cannot comprehend what's happened here.

I see, so you only pretend to be a cowardly bigot in anonymous forums in order to impress people.

[Samoht]

I see, so you only pretend to be a cowardly bigot in anonymous forums in order to impress people.

your brain is obviously broken by PC society.

quit being so racially sensitive. apologizing is only racism occurring here.

[Alawen]

your brain is obviously broken by PC society.

quit being so racially sensitive. apologizing is only racism occurring here.

Anyone not impressed by you pretending to be a bigot on an anonymous forum has mental problems. Got it.

[Samoht]

and you're clearly a bigot. quit being butt-hurt because your side lost.

can i say butt-hurt? does that make me a homophobe or is it an actual representation of your anus since getting ass-raped by GZ acquittal?

[Alawen]

My side? Which side was that? Oh, now I understand. You're ignoring my actual position (which was that I didn't have a strong opinion on the legal issues, asked a few questions early and remained silent) and are arguing both sides for yourself. I'll leave you to that, then. I predict that you're going to win the argument. And lose.

[Samoht]

hey, look, alawen comes in arguing against the defense in this case, but clearly isn't pro-prosecution

so then you're just trolling?

[Malice_Mizer]

You can have a vocal opinion about an issue and not take a purely sports-team-mentality stance on it.

[Alawen]

hey, look, alawen comes in arguing against the defense in this case, but clearly isn't pro-prosecution

so then you're just trolling?

I realize that you're not very bright, but maybe you should look over the pages of this thread. I didn't comment on either prosecution or defense. I commented on bigotry and cowardice in the online gaming community.

You seem really upset. Maybe this would be a good time for you to take a break from ForumeQuest?

[Samoht]

^ couldn't prove that a 17 year old is still a child.

takes it out on me.

i'm so sad :(

[Alawen]

You would be well served to read the definition of straw man. It's cool if you like to have both sides of an argument, but you can just sit in your room and do that by yourself.

[Kagatob]

Maybe this would be a good time for you to take a break from ForumeQuest?

You would be well served to read the definition of straw man. It's cool if you like to have both sides of an argument, but you can just sit in your room and do that by yourself.

Look in the mother fucking mirror. It's like you're 5 years old or something.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m558/ceritanegra/seinfeld.gif

[Mesenkomaha]

^ couldn't prove that a 17 year old is still a child.

takes it out on me.

i'm so sad :(

I don't know any children that are high on drugs, take pictures with handguns, or have texts about violence and porn on their smartphones.

[Hasbinbad]

I don't know any children that are high on drugs, take pictures with handguns, or have texts about violence and porn on their smartphones.
yes you do

[oddibemcd]

http://i.imgur.com/cx0U4h7.gif

[Alawen]

Look in the mother fucking mirror. It's like you're 5 years old or something.

That turns you on, huh? Going to bury your little toys in spunk now? Enjoy.

[Alawen]

I don't know any children that are high on drugs, take pictures with handguns, or have texts about violence and porn on their smartphones.

Three more things to add to the list of things only adults can do?

[Mesenkomaha]

Three more things to add to the list of things only adults can do?

just things that i dont allow my son to do. you will understand one day when you are a parent.

[Nikon]

I support Whitey
4042

[Massive Marc]

Moral of the story is:

Don't bring skittles to a gun fight.

[Kagatob]

That turns you on, huh? Going to bury your little toys in spunk now? Enjoy.
All talk no substance as usual from you lately. Go do something constructive with your time why don't you.
just things that i dont allow my son to do. you will understand one day when you are a parent.
In order to become a parent he first needs to be able to interact with the opposite sex, that's just the start... You've probably already figured out where I'm going with this.

[Ahldagor]

wrong part lmao, so whatever u said is silly.

do you really not even understand what you are saying to the point where you don't know which part of that is obviously a direct answer to you?

i understand what i typed. i don't know why you won't answer a direct question and keep deflecting with poorly constructed ad-hominem. would you or wouldn't you start a fight with someone who is following you?

from what you've posted on this thread, the only consistent thing you've stated is a justice system that resembles something from Hammurabi, eye for an eye. vigilante justice doesn't correct anything. the wergild from germanic cultures was eventually done away with... in regards to this thread, more violence would not bring back Treyvon nor change the ruling that was issued by the court via a jury, and all that would come of it is potential prison sentences or deaths of those who would harm George (he would be free to kill anyone who attacked him, right?).

the irony of this thread is that a stranger from california is overly concerned with a law and due process jury ruling from florida based on an assumption of race (way to fall right into the media cyclone of bullshit it was from the get-go)

[Joroz]

+1 for neighborhood watch carrying guns

[Hasbinbad]

vigilante justice is more correct because
many laws are unjust and many injustices are not illegal

[Hasbinbad]

yes that is ad hominem.

totally.

people who don't know what a fallacy is or when it is appropriate to analyze premises for fallacious content probably shouldn't accuse people of wrong fallacies.

[Ahldagor]

yes that is ad hominem.

totally.

people who don't know what a fallacy is or when it is appropriate to analyze premises for fallacious content probably shouldn't accuse people of wrong fallacies.

what is the "that" that you are referring to here? would you start a fight with someone following you or not? and you're a sad idealist if you think that that would be justice because you're depending on an archaic form of justice based around violence.

[Alawen]

I am most surprised by the polarizing effect this trial had on people. To be honest, it barely registers as a thing in my life. The idea of having a dog in this fight is bizarre to me.

[hatelore]

the irony of this thread is that a stranger from california is overly concerned with a law and due process jury ruling from florida based on an assumption of race (way to fall right into the media cyclone of bullshit it was from the get-go)

/thread

[Hasbinbad]

"that"
look at the two quotes in the post previous to me referencing the "that," the first is your question, the second is my answer, edited into sentence form for you.

[Malice_Mizer]

what is the "that" that you are referring to here? would you start a fight with someone following you or not? and you're a sad idealist if you think that that would be justice because you're depending on an archaic form of justice based around violence.

Every concept of justice involved violence (force). The difference is that you're comfortable surrendering all forms of violence to another party, whereas other people think violence/force/justice would be better if it were evenly distributed.

What is justice without force exactly?

[Ahldagor]

Every concept of justice involved violence (force). The difference is that you're comfortable surrendering all forms of violence to another party, whereas other people think violence/force/justice would be better if it were evenly distributed.

What is justice without force exactly?

a "might makes right" mentality is what i was suggesting hasbinbad is operating with, and not something that i'd like to be a part of which is likely from having been raised in the political atmosphere that i was raised in (see hometown). there's not an outright violence (force) against me by allowing due process to take place in another state. it's more respecting the imperfect system we have because it allows a stability that's desired in some places of the globe. a justice based upon empathy would be ideal, but that takes a removal of "self" and a reaching out to an "other" which isn't what is easiest to do.

[Malice_Mizer]

a "might makes right" mentality is what i was suggesting hasbinbad is operating with, and not something that i'd like to be a part of which is likely from having been raised in the political atmosphere that i was raised in (see hometown). there's not an outright violence (force) against me by allowing due process to take place in another state. it's more respecting the imperfect system we have because it allows a stability that's desired in some places of the globe. a justice based upon empathy would be ideal, but that takes a removal of "self" and a reaching out to an "other" which isn't what is easiest to do.

The best definition of a government is an institution that has a monopoly on force.

You surrender your ability to legally imprison/arrest/sentence a person in order to have a central authority which everybody uniformly accepts to do it for you.

[Ahldagor]

look at the two quotes in the post previous to me referencing the "that," the first is your question, the second is my answer, edited into sentence form for you.

appreciated that time for editing quotes, one of your best elf-sim-forum talents i'd argue. and i understood what you were saying. i don't understand your evasive maneuvering around answering direct questions though. it throws you into an impotence that you can't talk out of.

[pharmakos]

irony is a dead scene

[Ahldagor]

The best definition of a government is an institution that has a monopoly on force.

You surrender your ability to legally imprison/arrest/sentence a person in order to have a central authority which everybody uniformly accepts to do it for you.

is there an issue with that for you? what you're describing is a system that has been around for thousands of years because we are not creatures that survive well on our own without a crippling dependence on technology.