What hobby has the highest sperglord content?

[Kagatob]

Just curious. In my experience Magic the Gathering tops the chart.

[Hasbinbad]

anime

[Hasbinbad]

hands down, by far, not even any question about it.

[gotrocks]

hate to say it kag, but i agree with hbb, definitely anime.

Tons of normal people like anime too, but under the term 'spergloid' i think you definitely get the most in anime.

I know tons of people who play MTG and most of them are pretty normal.

[quido]

I play pickleball

[Kagatob]

You both have obviously never been to a magic tournament then. Stinky aspie central with 99% of the population not conversing because they can't or are sick of hearing each other and their my way or the highway attitude about everything. They've also yet to break 5k attendees at any event because they don't travel well (one would assume they aren't allowed on planes due to the smell)

Anime conventions on the other hand have been breaking more and more records with the smallest ones having around 8k attendees and the largest having had almost 200k last year.

[r00t]

anime

[Ektar]

can we define sperglord please

I want to participate but I am ignant

[Alawen]

Facilities for supporting card players are much different from facilities for convention visitors. To put this in perspective, there are usually about 6,000 players on any given day of the World Series of Poker--Magic tournaments rival the most well-known gaming tournament in the world. Just like at the WSoP, far more people who are not qualified for MtG Pro Tours attend than are qualified for playing in the main event.

This is a completely apples to oranges comparison. Anime gatherings are much more like SF or comic cons than card tournaments. Card tournaments have a lot in common with chess, debate, and speech tournaments.

The geekiest thing I've ever personally witnessed was a Mensa meeting.

[gotrocks]

just because lots of people go to the convention doesn't automatically mean they aren't fucking weird.

[Alawen]

just because lots of people go to the convention doesn't automatically mean they aren't fucking weird.

Can't really agree with you there. Things like sanity and normalcy are social constructs. I think eating fast food and driving cars are absolutely insane behavior, but I'm obviously the exception in American culture. A significant number of you probably drove for fast food tonight, risking death in a vehicle you can't really control and then eating garbage that will eventually kill you.

[gotrocks]

i dont understand what that has to do with lots of people = no weirdos?

Your statement is almost in complete agreement with what i said... lots of people drive... you think lots of those people that drive are insane... isnt that basicaly what i said?


I dont think everyone who watches/enjoys anime is weird, i just think theres a high % of the people that do who are very weird, and I don't think that just because lots of people go to anime conventions automaticaly means they are all socially well adjusted and not spergloids.

[Kagatob]

I dont think everyone who watches/enjoys anime is weird, i just think theres a high % of the people that do who are very weird, and I don't think that just because lots of people go to anime conventions automaticaly means they are all socially well adjusted and not spergloids.

Define weird. I think the people in the polarbear club are weird but I wouldn't call them sperglords.

[gotrocks]

weird: to spergloid in public, the act of being a spergloid.

"hey, that guy is weird!"

"yeah, he was being weird the other day. i vomitted."

[Kagatob]

can we define sperglord please

I want to participate but I am ignant

Aspies, but more than that. Imagine Sheldon from Big Bang Theory (even if you don't watch it you know of him/it) only without the multiple doctorates/masters degrees and employment to back it up.

Alawen's Mensa example was pretty spot on, I've encountered quite a few sperglords in those circles.

[Kagatob]

@Gotrocks I think that's the most extreme definition of 'weird' I've ever seen.

[Kagatob]

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/grand_prix_miami_top_8_profile.html
Examples of sperglords. One out of eight of them has a real job and they aren't teenagers. Look at any top 8 list from any big MTG tournament and you'll see a recurring pattern (and no it's not the same people always at top 8).

[Kagatob]

Just like at the WSoP, far more people who are not qualified for MtG Pro Tours attend than are qualified for playing in the main event.

I forgot to address this one. Grand Prix are not like Pro Tours in that there are qualifiers, the GP's you literally just sign up and can play with 0 prerequisites. The record GP (GP Vegas) had around 4k players.

[Alawen]

i dont understand what that has to do with lots of people = no weirdos?

Your statement is almost in complete agreement with what i said... lots of people drive... you think lots of those people that drive are insane... isnt that basicaly what i said?


I dont think everyone who watches/enjoys anime is weird, i just think theres a high % of the people that do who are very weird, and I don't think that just because lots of people go to anime conventions automaticaly means they are all socially well adjusted and not spergloids.

Society at large defines what is weird. Gaming and comic cons used to be fringe activities. Now gaming is a multi-billion dollar industry and Hollywood celebrities go to cons. That means it's not weird anymore. Inter-racial marriage used to be illegal. Now it's not a very big deal. Social constructs don't have any objective existence. They only have the meaning that the general population gives them, 100% perception.

[Alawen]

I forgot to address this one. Grand Prix are not like Pro Tours in that there are qualifiers, the GP's you literally just sign up and can play with 0 prerequisites. The record GP (GP Vegas) had around 4k players.

The same is true of most Grand Prix events. The earliest didn't draw a lot of spectators, but they have for quite some time. If you're basing your knowledge of big MtG events on the environment at your local card shop, it's not the same at all.

[Hasbinbad]

i like how anime is still the ONLY thing that has been mentioned besides mtg. lol.

[Hasbinbad]

oh and pickleball

[Kagatob]

I'm not, I've been to 3 in the past 5 years.

Another example of lack of social ability, they're considering not even letting players bring backpacks to the tournaments because of the high levels of bag thefts that happen at these events.

I'm not going to say that theft doesn't happen at other conventions but how often it happens compared to the number of people at the event is staggering when you look at MTG tournament stats.

[Hasbinbad]

you sure know a lot about mtg tournaments

[Kagatob]

you sure know a lot about mtg tournaments

Hate the player not the game.

[Hasbinbad]

i mean .. i was at games of berkeley when wizards of the coast came in and shopped MTG to us when i was 16 or whatever, giving us free beta cards and shit.. but i don't know shit about whatever the fuck it is doing right now..

[Kagatob]

I started playing in late 1997 in middle school and played off and on for the past 15 years. I still enjoy the game itself but over time the nature of the game and the kind of attitude associated with playing it has changed drastically. I know quite a few decent folk who play the game, but have gotten increasingly fed up when the sperglord count of any group of magic players large or small exceeded 50% of the player base.

It's the little things that add up.

Going to the card shop and:
Watching these people freak out and ragequit after losing one round in a small casual level tournament.
Watching your opponent who you've just beaten turn around and critique your plays because you obviously didn't deserve to win in their eyes.
Assholes bragging about how they ripped little kids off in trades.

Going to larger tournaments and:
Having some asshat playing with foreign cards purposely lie about what their cards do to get an advantage.
Rules lawyers fixing game states in their favor because someone didn't announce an effect that would of been part of the game state regardless of action taken by either player.
Dipshit calling a judge to give you a game loss because you stood up from your chair to let a person by and the round start clock began before you sat back down.

Yeah I know a bit about Magic.

[Hasbinbad]

Kobotag, you ARE the weakest link.

[Alawen]

You're older than I thought you were.

It's a good game. Lots of complexity, just a few hiccups in game mechanics.

The theft happens because players get so focused on the game and so many players are carrying valuable cards around with them.

I don't understand why you can't just enjoy anime without having such a chip about it.

[Ishukone]

http://i.imgur.com/ex1FGKS.jpg

[Ishukone]

you want a hobby with high sperglord content?

cmon down and visit me at http://kugutsumen.com

nerds really love their eve online

[Alawen]

It surprises me that the things that piss you off about Magic amused me. I had an incredible meta game deck at a PTQ in Costa Mesa one year. I was playing in the finals when I heard a kid behind me whisper, "Why is he playing with Flesh Reaver?" His friend responded, "He hasn't lost a game all day." I loled.

[Hasbinbad]

he was in 6th or 7th grade when i gradumicated high skoo

[Kagatob]

You're older than I thought you were.

It's a good game. Lots of complexity, just a few hiccups in game mechanics.

The theft happens because players get so focused on the game and so many players are carrying valuable cards around with them.

I agree, I still don't think it's an excuse for the behavior though.

I don't understand why you can't just enjoy anime without having such a chip about it.
Less of a chip on my shoulder more of enjoying the fuck out of the literal freakouts people on these forums have about even the mention of it. I like to use it as an excuse to let my inner troll run wild.

In all honesty I'd rather take it easy, but when in Rome...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100419194805/yukkuri/images/f/fc/Take_It_Easy!.jpg

[Alawen]

I realized that I should clarify my comment about theft: imagine how much theft there would be at a comic or anime con if half the attendees were carrying backpacks with hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of collectibles with a very liquid market. The theft is a symptom of the value, not the players. One or two good thieves can make it seem like a whole big tournament is corrupt.

[Zereh]

Forumquesters, but far.

[Zereh]

*by far

[Ishukone]

Fuck anyone with a Platinum Angel, that's all I gotta say about magic.

[Hasbinfat]

As someone who is a sperglord IRL, I'd have to say anime. I don't into anime myself, though. My area of exspergtise is gaming.

[Hailto]

I play magic fairly often with pals, have never been to a tourney though, im not that serious about it.

[Kagatob]

As someone who is a sperglord IRL, I'd have to say anime. I don't into anime myself, though. My area of exspergtise is gaming.

Pro-gaming scene is up there too. /nod

[Hasbinbad]

i invented the black/red/green zerg deck .. 4 lord of the pit, 4 shivan dragons, 4 forces of nature, 3 moxes R/G/Bla, black lotus, 9 1 or 2 cost creatures (3each), and 15 lands (5 each)

never lost with that deck

[Alawen]

There is one thing prevalent in Magic that used to drive me kind of nuts, but I ran into it again in EQ and WoW. The bad theorycrafters. They want to sit and patiently explain how they should have won based on ridiculous luck. They then continue to play bad cards and make bad plays. That was a constant theme on Sullon Zek, too--the hate tells about how lucky I was. So dumb.

[Ishukone]

god damn i hate theorycrafters

[Hasbinbad]

then i found the light of dark pact in the days when people used to play for ante or not at all, and would play it in this deck to piss people off

[Alawen]

i invented the black/red/green zerg deck .. 4 lord of the pit, 4 shivan dragons, 4 forces of nature, 3 moxes R/G/Bla, black lotus, 9 1 or 2 cost creatures (3each), and 15 lands (5 each)

never lost with that deck

Fun, but your success was mostly due to a weak metagame. Your mana curve is awful and you have no way at all to deal with a control deck or a combo deck. Props for playing with all those fatties.

[Alawen]

god damn i hate theorycrafters

I like it when they're actually good at it. My knowledge of statistic isn't usually strong enough to contribute but I think it's fun to read or listen to from smart people. It couldn't be worse when it's dumb people. Sam Deathwalker might be the ultimate bad theorycrafter.

[Hasbinbad]

i made someone quit playing coz i took his nether void .. the irony of which is that it wasn't any fun without him and i quit playing very soon after.

[Hasbinbad]

Fun, but your success was mostly due to a weak metagame. Your mana curve is awful and you have no way at all to deal with a control deck or a combo deck. Props for playing with all those fatties.
40 card deck is different, and you have to account for the artifacts

[Hasbinbad]

also, things like "control decks" didn't really exist at the time .. the closest you came was blue heavy counter decks with 4 Tims.

[Hasbinbad]

this was during the beginning of the legends expansion, so rly early on

[Kagatob]

Alawen, at first I was confused by your comment about you enjoying the parts about magic players that piss me off, however you've since made it clear that you're another one of those players that can only enjoy the game by winning. Only focused on the "best play" and not having fun by actually playing the game.

Magic is more than tournaments. Magic is more than winning individual games. Magic is more than finding the shortest route to victory.
Magic as a community in general might not be, but as a game it certainly is.

There's a reason I switched almost exclusively to playing Commander (EDH) where every game results in multiple ridiculous board states with at least one interaction that you've never encountered before.

[Hasbinbad]

In my experience Magic the Gathering tops the sperglord chart.
Magic is more than tournaments. Magic is more than winning individual games. Magic is more than finding the shortest route to victory.
Magic as a community in general might not be, but as a game it certainly is.

[Flamewraith]

I'm going to have to go with anime here as well. Way back in the day I got into Inuyasha and decided to meet up with some other people in my city who enjoyed it as well..... I somehow got myself into some cosplay larp bullshit. beat any love for anime right out of me. Also a couple of years ago in high school two different guys were caught jerking it in the library to anime. Just.... Yuck...... I'm not saying that every anime fan is weird, but I literally have yet to meet a semi fucking normal individual who enjoys anime.

[Hasbinbad]

Also, otaku are awesome and I am one.

[Hasbinbad]

no dude flamewraith .. some animes are cool or whatever, and regular people can enjoy them sometimes .. but basing everything you do and say around anime is only something people like kobotags does

[Flamewraith]

no dude flamewraith .. some animes are cool or whatever, and regular people can enjoy them sometimes .. but basing everything you do and say around anime is only something people like kobotags does

Kaga isn't that bad, but I do have to admit the extreme amounts of anime are a bit obnoxious.

[Alawen]

Alawen, at first I was confused by your comment about you enjoying the parts about magic players that piss me off, however you've since made it clear that you're another one of those players that can only enjoy the game by winning. Only focused on the "best play" and not having fun by actually playing the game.

Magic is more than tournaments. Magic is more than winning individual games. Magic is more than finding the shortest route to victory.
Magic as a community in general might not be, but as a game it certainly is.

There's a reason I switched almost exclusively to playing Commander (EDH) where every game results in multiple ridiculous board states with at least one interaction that you've never encountered before.

Haha, I understand your whole rant now. We didn't play the same game at all.

[Kagatob]

I somehow got myself into some cosplay larp bullshit.

Larp /shudder

I don't blame you for it tarnishing your whole idea of it.

[Flamewraith]

Larp /shudder

I don't blame you for it tarnishing your whole idea of it.

Needless to say it was awkward.

[fuark]

I think all the fundamental nerd arenas have the same level of sperglord tbh

Go to an MTG tournament, warhammer fantasy tabletop convention, big dnd get together... the only difference is the age of the players usually.

The only truly annoying thing about them (besides the smells) is the overly immersed, my way or the highway attitude that a shit ton of them have.

[Alawen]

Now I'm confused, though. Why would you go play in a big tournament and expect it to be non-competitive? Just play with your friends, or go to pre-releases.

[Kagatob]

Haha, I understand your whole rant now. We didn't play the same game at all.

I don't mean to lump you with the worst of them either, you at least understand 'to each their own'. The seprglords look at someone playing a game 'for fun' and will point out that they aren't playing the game correctly, or to quote Tiggles that they are "Casual garbage" or in other cases claim that they aren't playing Magic at all. Fun never even enters the fucking equation with these guys.

[Alawen]

I think all the fundamental nerd arenas have the same level of sperglord tbh

Go to an MTG tournament, warhammer fantasy tabletop convention, big dnd get together... the only difference is the age of the players usually.

The only truly annoying thing about them (besides the smells) is the overly immersed, my way or the highway attitude that a shit ton of them have.

I agree with this. It's often the same people. I haven't been around any mass of anime people, though. I don't really get it at all. I'm not really into any cartoons, though.

[Kagatob]

Now I'm confused, though. Why would you go play in a big tournament and expect it to be non-competitive? Just play with your friends, or go to pre-releases.

It's not the competitive attitude in general that I find unappealing, if I have a deck that I believe can carry me well I'll obviously play to win, it's the attitude that competition is the life of the game that bothers me.

These days it's certainly unrealistic to ask for any amount of good sportsmanship in anything higher level then FNM, but it doesn't have to be that way and it definitely wasn't that way in the past.

[Halfelfbard]

The hell is a sperglord?

I play MTG, i only have a elf deck but damn it is fuckin awesome.

[Abacab-Godking]

Just an F.Y.I. she's 14 and depicted as such...:p

[Alawen]

I don't mean to lump you with the worst of them either, you at least understand 'to each their own'. The seprglords look at someone playing a game 'for fun' and will point out that they aren't playing the game correctly, or to quote Tiggles that they are "Casual garbage" or in other cases claim that they aren't playing Magic at all. Fun never even enters the fucking equation with these guys.

I haven't played competitively since 2000. I went to Grand Prix Minneapolis in 2009 to hang with old friends, but I didn't even enter the main event. Wait, or did I? I can't even remember. Whatever, the tournament wasn't a primary consideration either way. When I play now, it's usually EDH with more focus on beer and weed than anything else.

I'm the same way on P99. I raided hardcore for a few months in 2010. Now I'm very casual. That's actually why I got so pissed at BDA. Chest sold it to me as a casual friendly guild and then there was pressure to poopsock. Count me out of that crap.

I find both experiences fun, but playing any game hardcore takes too much time to be sustainable. I only played tournament Magic as long as I did (2-3 years) because my girlfriend at the time liked to play tournaments, especially draft. I quit when she got tired of it.

[Kagatob]

I haven't been around any mass of anime people, though. I don't really get it at all.

I'm obviously biased. That said, in my experience it's just a positive environment. I don't know if you've been to any comicons or anything of the sort, it'd be like that only more specialized so a larger % of the people you encounter there are into the same things that you are so it's very easy to meet someone and strike up a conversation.

[Hailto]

I always wanted to get into warhammer table top stuff, but its so fucking expensive.

[Kagatob]

I always wanted to get into warhammer table top stuff, but its so fucking expensive.

[Alawen]

I'm obviously biased. That said, in my experience it's just a positive environment. I don't know if you've been to any comicons or anything of the sort, it'd be like that only more specialized so a larger % of the people you encounter there are into the same things that you are so it's very easy to meet someone and strike up a conversation.

Sure, I like cons, but they're mostly about getting drunk and high and chubby girls with a lot of cleavage. I have a secret desire to get good enough at painting to sell pictures of angels and demons and dragons and crap like that, but don't tell anyone at my art school. I like the geek community, science fiction, swords and sorcery. I just don't care for the anime part of anime.

[Abacab-Godking]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6t1r6o3IA1r3vk7qo1_500.gif

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6brxqnSyq1r3vk7qo1_500.gif

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[Alawen]

I always wanted to get into warhammer table top stuff, but its so fucking expensive.

Heard that. Magic is actually really expensive, too, especially if you play a lot of sealed deck or booster draft. You can cash out at the end, though; I pulled about $30K out of my collection when all was said and done. I'm just going to pretend that was profit and ignore all the money I spent on travel and entry fees.

[Alawen]

Please put me on ignore.

No problem, pal, I'll hook you up.

[Kagatob]

Sure, I like cons, but they're mostly about getting drunk and high
I guess we're more well behaved at anime cons.

Con opens at 8-10am depending, and mostly everyone is sober until around 8-9pm.
and chubby girls with a lot of cleavage.

Having been to a few Sci-Fi cons I agree with this stereotype there but with anime cons you'd be surprised how many "hot chicks" there are that vastly outnumber the chubs and most of the latter are the cute kinda chubby. The guys on the other hand... eh... 50/50?

[Abacab-Godking]

http://gifporntube.com/media/videos/5/1/1/c/a//511ca0afa28411325265732609.gif

[Hasbinfat]

Thanks Abacapb

[Alawen]

Check this out. My friend Shawn builds full size replicas of Warhammer figures as costumes. He does other stuff, too, like Halo.

http://www.skullbrosawesome.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/warhammer-40k-full-size-costume-wired-design.jpg

[Abacab-Godking]

http://gifporntube.com/media/videos/5/1/1/c/a//511ca0afb10a61325890273360.gif

[Abacab-Godking]

http://gifporntube.com/media/videos/5/1/1/c/a//511ca0afb80771328584254645.gif

[Abacab-Godking]

http://gifporntube.com/media/videos/5/1/1/c/a//511ca0afbb0891328587487860.gif

[Hailto]

Heard that. Magic is actually really expensive, too, especially if you play a lot of sealed deck or booster draft. You can cash out at the end, though; I pulled about $30K out of my collection when all was said and done. I'm just going to pretend that was profit and ignore all the money I spent on travel and entry fees.

I'm playing with a deck that I put about $150 into. I can't really rationalize spending more money than that on a card game, I just play with friends for fun anyway, I know some people get really into it. Drafts are fun to change things up a bit sometimes though.

[Abacab-Godking]

don't worry...

Just an F.Y.I. she's 14 and depicted as such...:p

[Abacab-Godking]

http://porn-gif.com/media/thumbs/5/1/1/f/9/511f9bbc7e62d.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

abakabatog

[Abacab-Godking]

this one will really get you kids off

http://porn-gif.com/media/thumbs/5/1/1/e/1/511e15567babd.jpg

[Hasbinbad]

abakabatog
cannot unsee

[Abacab-Godking]

i mean this one will

http://porn-gif.com/media/videos/5/1/1/e/1//511e15567babd.gif

[Hailto]

I wish ignore would totally remove the persons posting from the thread, I always click the fucking view post button, I can't help myself.

[Abacab-Godking]

how many power up points does this card play for?

http://porn-gif.com/media/videos/5/1/1/e/2//511e219e669e1.gif

[Hailto]

Abacab tryin to act like hes not a nerd while posting on classic everquest emulator forums, l0l.

[Abacab-Godking]

i think she might have been 13

[Abacab-Godking]

the teacher always helps

http://gifporntube.com/media/videos/5/1/1/e/5//511e5446b1bc4.gif

[Hasbinbad]

I wish ignore would totally remove the persons posting from the thread, I always click the fucking view post button, I can't help myself.

[Abacab-Godking]

probably 13 or 12 but younger the better right?

http://gifporntube.com/media/videos/5/1/1/e/5//511e5db0de842.gif

[Hasbinbad]

1000's of years old, looks 12.

[Alawen]

Abacab tryin to act like hes not a nerd while posting on classic everquest emulator forums, l0l.

Apparently he's an expert on hentai, as well.

[Abacab-Godking]

i wont forget u guize who love the money shot

http://24.media.tumblr.com/74277839158b777f2f6a637f659b9345/tumblr_morbc3N7zx1s5fe8vo1_400.gif

[Abacab-Godking]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/32338035615418ecf2a10296c70d12b6/tumblr_morba0AbMU1s5fe8vo1_400.gif

[Hasbinbad]

abacab is like a comet .. only comes around every once in a while, burns brightly, then gets banished by the forces of the universe rocketing him away at incredible speeds

[Abacab-Godking]

OMG she is ONLY 14 and depicted as SUCH.. why u hurt hur?

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c802c5aad6f44010ad299ebe10d0f58b/tumblr_morbjfOG7E1s5fe8vo1_400.gif

[Hasbinbad]

kagatob no longer posting bcoz hands are busy

[Clark]

Facilities for supporting card players are much different from facilities for convention visitors. To put this in perspective, there are usually about 6,000 players on any given day of the World Series of Poker--Magic tournaments rival the most well-known gaming tournament in the world. Just like at the WSoP, far more people who are not qualified for MtG Pro Tours attend than are qualified for playing in the main event.

This is a completely apples to oranges comparison. Anime gatherings are much more like SF or comic cons than card tournaments. Card tournaments have a lot in common with chess, debate, and speech tournaments.

The geekiest thing I've ever personally witnessed was a Mensa meeting.

The geekiest thing I've ever personally witnessed might be this :l

[Clark]

Abacab wtf..don't go full retard

[Abacab-Godking]

in case there's some comic book wankers out there

http://24.media.tumblr.com/eb1b9b1fb4c32dc971b2d7dfa8e215f5/tumblr_mp6a9dlzPu1s7oqf1o1_500.gif

[Abacab-Godking]

batman and catwoman got me hard

[Abacab-Godking]

i mean damn batman he pets her kitty with authority

[Abacab-Godking]

you won't convince me you didn't want to know what she'd do with you at night

http://24.media.tumblr.com/34b50c433bad1d7c9b5aa6ea74dfdd97/tumblr_mp6a799bch1s7oqf1o1_500.gif

[Abacab-Godking]

heres one in middle school kaboterbs

http://25.media.tumblr.com/571f990954b566989876406de89a9b29/tumblr_mlzx9g1jKK1rmvspko1_400.gif

[Abacab-Godking]

this one is definately 10

http://25.media.tumblr.com/116f9c65553dc4837c8d4c8ad7d8698f/tumblr_mlzx85uJOM1rmvspko1_500.gif

[Kagatob]

kagatob no longer posting bcoz hands are busy

I was on my meal break actually. Also I just did this (http://www.project1999.org/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=32359) because full retard + work doesn't mix. I might undo when I get home. :)

[myriverse]

Isn't there a nerd hierarchy chart somewhere on teh IntarWebs?

[Rhambuk]

anime

Cosplay events are fucking creeping.

[Alawen]

Abacab linking endless cartoon porn is creepier.

[Rhambuk]

little bit,

is that even the real abacab figured he was done with this project years ago

[Kagatob]

Unblocked, /yawned. I only recognized 2 of the characters in the gifs, one of them wasn't even from a hentai, the other was shopped.

[Kagatob]

Cosplay events are fucking creeping.

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/files/2013/05/star-wars-cosplay-darth-vader-boba-fett.jpg
So...fucking...creepy... :rolleyes:

[this user was banned]

abacab putting the NSFW in R&F like a boss.

FORUMS NO LONGER SAFE!

[Alawen]

little bit,

is that even the real abacab figured he was done with this project years ago

I really can't say. Abacab was basically a nobody who trained EC tunnel to draw attention to himself. One time he pickpocketed Vox and another time he trained a Nagafen poopsock; I think those are the only times I actually saw him in game. He posted photos of himself and linked his band at one point. He's homely and scrawny, and his music lacked any semblance of skill. His boasting about where he lived and that he didn't have a job made it seem likely that he's a trust fund brat. That's really all I know about him.

The recent posts are consistent with his symptoms of narcissism, OCD, and an unjustified sense of importance, but that doesn't make him unusual here. It seems an odd coincidence that the new forum account showed up the same day I mentioned that it was fun to have bad guys like Abacab and Raren, but he could be one of those people who searches for his own name.

[Rhambuk]

most likely a wannabe, theres hasbinfat kagoterb or something... lots of wannabe trolls.

Not saying abacab was anything special but he had a small group of wannabe followers that thought he was actually accomplishing something by training ec...

[Daldolma]

this thread is horrifying

pras fake abacab for trying to kill it

[radditsu]

everquest, the most sperglords live in everquest. You are all sperglords.

Sperglords

[zanderklocke]

everquest, the most sperglords live in everquest. You are all sperglords.

Sperglords

I think you mean specifically Project 1999. There's something to be said about the kind of person that can succeed in the raid scene on this server. Must be able to connected to your computer at all times and answer to text message to log on for raid targets...hmm. :D

The only place where a lack of real life credentials or success makes you a better candidate.

[zanderklocke]

Must be able to be connected to your computer at all times and answer to text message to log on for raid targets...hmm. :D

[Cecily]

If I did that every post I fucked up...

[Tiggles]

Anime hands down

[Nirgon]

anime

Easy one

Nothing more annoying than kids (or man children) pretending to know Japanese (this is more annoying to me than someone pretending to anything else) and watching what can only be summed up as a spawn from atomic radiation and years of strange culture

[Tiddlywinks]

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/grand_prix_miami_top_8_profile.html
Examples of sperglords. One out of eight of them has a real job and they aren't teenagers. Look at any top 8 list from any big MTG tournament and you'll see a recurring pattern (and no it's not the same people always at top 8).

The reason most of these people don't work "real" jobs is because the people that typically top 8 at these tournaments invest a LOT of time into their game. Half of the list make a living at cardshops/mtg content sites/"mtg".

Similiarly, in the professional video gaming scene a majority of the pro-gamers do not have "real jobs" as you put it. This is because they spend 10 hours a day gaming and becoming good at what they do, and because they are so good at it they receive enough cash to make a living for playing a video game.

That is also the reason you see the same names over and over again in M:TG top 8's. People with "real jobs" typically do not have 8-9 hours a day to sit around and theorycraft/play magic or play video games, therefore (not accounting for the rare fluke) they will never be in a position where their hobby can actually becoming sustaining.

Anyone who has ever been a "proffesional" at anything really.. LoL, M:TG, Doctors, lawyers, etc. each and every one of those people has spends thousands and thousands of hours honing their craft and becoming the best that they can be at it.

Professional magic players aren't even playing the same damn game you are. Casuals buy cards and build decks because they have elves and dragons and shit that looks cool and fun on them. Professionals only see manacosts, card advantage, turn-clocks, and "the right play".

Don't get upset with them simply because they're not playing the same game you are, or you want them to be playing. You're playing for fun, they're playing for a living.

[Tiddlywinks]

Anime hands down

This. There are a lot of sperglords on this server, but as far as raw numbers and content goes, definately anime. I wish we could wipe every fucking weebo that doesn't contribute to society and sits around eatting pockey and wasabi peas while jerking it to 14 year-old cartoon characters off the face of the earth.

Those that are gainfully employeed and watch it every now and then for the storyline are fine. But fuck weebos man.

[Rhambuk]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/029/097/PBF071-Weeaboo.gif

[Hailto]

I swear I don't understand that comic.

[RevengeofGio]

Everyone remember a card named justice? I used to play, but I was never good. I won a small tourney because of that card and got called lucky :(

[xCry0x]

TL;DR of this thread
Magic
No, Anime
No way, Anime is cool, Magic is for nerds
Naa Anime is for nerds, Magic is normal.
Pickle Ball
Uhh, wrong, Nerds play Magic, normal people like Anime
Wait wait what? I like Anime and I am a nerd, but I don't like Magic therefor Anime = nerds.
Huh? No wai, I saw a nerd playing Magic once and I saw a hot cosplayer at an Anime convention so no wai Anime is for nerds, hot chicks man!
I remember being good at magic, and my mom said I was cool.
Nerd

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[Frieza_Prexus]

I'm still mad I scrubbed out of the 1998 pro tour qualifier. I played the guy that won first round and it was a 100% mirror matchup except I mainboarded scryb sprites X4 and he had hammer head sharks X4 and ate me alive.

More like scrub sprites. :(

[Hasbinbad]

i like both magic and anime but have you guys ever heard me mention it outside of the context of a conversation about it? rarely if ever. maybe if i was excited about a particular thing I saw?

there is a world of difference between ^ and being otaku like abakabotog or someone who has ever been to something like a MTG tournament with "thousands" of people. *shudder*

[Littlegyno 9.0]

i like both magic and anime but have you guys ever heard me mention it outside of the context of a conversation about it? rarely if ever. maybe if i was excited about a particular thing I saw?

there is a world of difference between ^ and being otaku like abakabotog or someone who has ever been to something like a MTG tournament with "thousands" of people. *shudder*

wow, hbb is an anime faggot. who would of known.

http://i.imgur.com/UVjQ8AU.gif

[Hasbinbad]

wow, hbb is an anime faggot. who would of known.
I like shit like ninja scroll, afro samurai (very new school for my tastes), appleseed, ghost in the shell (the first one), etc.. mostly-old-school, high quality, feature length anime not intended for tv's, but for movie screens with good sound systems. There is a world of difference both in scope and animation quality between these examples and whatever dozen shitty anime series otaku keep up with this month. This was some of the best shit around when I was a teenager. There weren't awesome movies on the internetz to download, dudebro, we made due with our VHS of AKIRA and we fucking liked it. That being said, I never argue with people who hate on anime because the VAST majority is utter shit. Series anime was better in the robotech days before women became vapid androids with over engorged genitals. I did like bleach somewhat, so maybe your critique does apply, but it is too repetitive to hold my interest for an entire arc, much less the rest of the series.

[Hasbinbad]

androids
Meant in the sense of no discernable personality. Not referring to anime about androids, which might be perfectly acceptable.

[Barkingturtle]

I like shit like ninja scroll, afro samurai (very new school for my tastes), appleseed, ghost in the shell (the first one), etc.. mostly-old-school, high quality, feature length anime not intended for tv's, but for movie screens with good sound systems. There is a world of difference both in scope and animation quality between these examples and whatever dozen shitty anime series otaku keep up with this month. This was some of the best shit around when I was a teenager. There weren't awesome movies on the internetz to download, dudebro, we made due with our VHS of AKIRA and we fucking liked it. That being said, I never argue with people who hate on anime because the VAST majority is utter shit. Series anime was better in the robotech days before women became vapid androids with over engorged genitals. I did like bleach somewhat, so maybe your critique does apply, but it is too repetitive to hold my interest for an entire arc, much less the rest of the series.

Spergin' like a virgin, imo.

[Hasbinbad]

k

[Barkingturtle]

Just sayin', the fact you can name any anime series off the top of your head -- let alone a whole paragraph testifying to your expertise -- places you perilously upon the spectrum. I mean be honest: how many action figures watched you masturbate this morning?

[Frieza_Prexus]

how many action figures watched you masturbate this morning?

7, but 2 participated via realistic Kung Fu grip action.

[Daldolma]

are any normal people on this server

[Hasbinbad]

Just sayin', the fact you can name any anime series off the top of your head -- let alone a whole paragraph testifying to your expertise -- places you perilously upon the spectrum. I mean be honest: how many action figures watched you masturbate this morning?
i have a bunch of D&D minis i was given that are on a shelf out of the way so maybe they heard me .. i have a A's bobblehead whose name i don't recognize .. a jar of Lil Homies mini toys i collected when they were still obtainable .. and honestly that's it .. mostly books and projects around here.

[Hasbinbad]

and art.
and my toad.

[Tiggles]

I'm a pretty big sperglord when it comes to pokemon I'll admit

but the only anime I watch is that Studio Ghibli shit.

We have anime people come into my shop all the time when i'm playing board games or running Pokemon league and they are the smelliest most annoying fucking kids you can imagine and most of them are 25+ years old.

No, we don't sell manga or shitty jap snacks and no we won't buy any of these shitty yugioh/magic cards you are trying to sell me.

[RevengeofGio]

What about a sperglord girl? Seen those?

[Lojik]

What about a sperglord girl? Seen those?

Sperglady?

[Frieza_Prexus]

I'm a pretty big sperglord when it comes to pokemon I'll admit

Back in '99 the local game shop at the mall hosted a Pokemon CCG tournament every Friday night. $7 entry fee, and all the entries were pooled into a store-credit certificate for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place. There'd be like 40+ little kids that just wanted to play cards, so Elethia and I would beat the hell out of them and walk out with a bunch of magic and D&D stuff we just bought with the 1st and 2nd place store credit prizes.

It was awesome.

[Hasbinbad]

TMO taking candy from babies since 99

[Bazia]

biggest nerds are anyone who is any way involved with games workshop

people I see walking in and out of the store are really fat and wear walmart brand incredible hulk shirts

[Rhambuk]

kid i worked with a few years ago was into magic, hed go in and sit for literally hours waiting for anyone to come in to play(while I stared at the floor trying not to kill myself).

Thankfully that sort of shit is not popular around here. I think there is 2 shops in the "big" city that host weekly tournaments, which are basically the same 6 guys circle jerking over their miniatures.

sometimes living in maine isnt all bad

[Tiggles]

biggest nerds are anyone who is any way involved with games workshop

people I see walking in and out of the store are really fat and wear walmart brand incredible hulk shirts

We have this group of old men who play "Flames of War" its basically warhammer based off of world war 2.

I change my mind they are the most annoying people I see at game shops.

They are 40+ year old fat men who have never served a day in the military in there life talking about how THEY would win the war in the middle east (Aka Nuke them all and cover the bombs in pig blood)

They scream and yell at each other and eat cheap hoagies from the store across the street all while saying how they should kill the Muslims/arabs/illegals etc.

We had to schedule Flames of War to a random Wednesday because it has no overlap with other games because they are the worst.

[Gunga]

It's not the competitive attitude in general that I find unappealing, if I have a deck that I believe can carry me well I'll obviously play to win, it's the attitude that competition is the life of the game that bothers me.

These days it's certainly unrealistic to ask for any amount of good sportsmanship in anything higher level then FNM, but it doesn't have to be that way and it definitely wasn't that way in the past.

Apparently you have never played on the Pro Tour. Pretty much everyone there is a good sport. I have yet to encounter anyone do anything shitty on the Pro Tour. I did however watch a guy try and rule lawyer something but quickly recant once he realized a judge was watching. The highest level of magic is usually where everyone is the coolest. People earned the right to be there.

[Lojik]

People play MTG professionally?

[Gunga]

People play MTG professionally?

Yes, and they have made pretty decent money doing it. Not like millions of dollars like the WSOP players, but a few of the best players have made 300K+ over their magic pro days. They also get free air travel and appearance fees to locations all over the world, just for playing the game.

[Kagatob]

Cosplay events are fucking creeping.

http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/files/2013/05/star-wars-cosplay-darth-vader-boba-fett.jpg
So...fucking...creepy... :rolleyes:

Yes, and they have made pretty decent money doing it. Not like millions of dollars like the WSOP players, but a few of the best players have made 300K+ over their magic pro days. They also get free air travel and appearance fees to locations all over the world, just for playing the game.

Don't try to fool anyone here please, there are less than 5 players in the 20 year history of the game who've made that much money in their entire professional 'careers' and it's taken them all well over a decade of consistently playing the game well.

Most of the 'professionals' don't even hit 10K in prizes a year (less than a rookie minor league baseball player makes) and wouldn't be able to afford to keep playing the game if not for the sponsors.

Hell, their MVP players aren't even proud of what they do. Look up John Finkel and how he refused to even tell his girlfriend how much he played the game and got dumped after she found out.

[Alawen]

She wasn't his girlfriend. They went on one date. Jon leveraged his winnings into a venture capital company.

David Williams transitioned his Magic skills into poker and made $3.5 million at the WSoP in 2004 and another million in other circuit events.

Do any of your hobbies pay $10K a year?

[zanderklocke]

http://gizmodo.com/5833787/my-brief-okcupid-affair-with-a-world-champion-magic-the-gathering-player

Jon Finkel story. Woman is pretty shallow.

[zanderklocke]

She wasn't his girlfriend. They went on one date. Jon leveraged his winnings into a venture capital company.

David Williams transitioned his Magic skills into poker and made $3.5 million at the WSoP in 2004 and another million in other circuit events.

Do any of your hobbies pay $10K a year?

My old roommate is a semi-professional yo-yoer and gets royalties because his name is on a specific model of yo-yo people buy ha. That's the closest I know to someone making a fair amount of money from a very obscure hobby...it's certainly not enough to pay the bills.

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[zanderklocke]

Huh can videos no longer be embedded on forums?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bes_h9ll1YA

Link to what I tried to embed. Copied and pasted with "Use old embed code" checked on youtube but that didn't work?

[Alawen]

Lifetime Winnings Leaders (http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=protour/standings/winnings)

Kai Budde Germany $352,620
Jon Finkel United States $292,369
Olivier Ruel France $211,895
Antoine Ruel France $205,540
Gabriel Nassif France $192,090
Nicolai Herzog Norway $186,895
Kamiel Cornelissen Netherlands $173,882
Robert Maher United States $157,402
Ben Rubin United States $155,525
Tsuyoshi Fujita Japan $154,945
Jelger Wiegersma Netherlands $150,023
Darwin Kastle Mess United States $148,897
Dirk Baberowski Germany $146,860
David Humpherys United States $143,742
Zvi Mowshowitz United States $141,460
Masashi Oiso Japan $140,410
Eugene Harvey United States $135,835
Anton Jonsson Sweden $134,440
Joseph Gary Wise Canada $133,773
Justin Gary United States $128,815
Katsuhiro Mori Japan $126,150
William Jensen United States $126,070
Chris Benafel United States $123,967
Frank Karsten Netherlands $123,543
Robert Dougherty United States $123,502
Itaru Ishida Japan $123,620
Ryan Fuller Canada $118,430
Michael Turian United States $118,053
Kyle Rose United States $117,465
Tomi Walamies Finland $116,610
Osyp Lebedowicz United States $113,980
Jin Okamoto Japan $112,073
Marco Blume Germany $106,455
Tommi Hovi Finland $103,185
Michael Long United States $102,669
Matt Linde United States $101,900
Michael Pustilnik United States $100,475

[Barkingturtle]

I think the guy who maintains that earnings list and keeps it up-to-date probably has the spurgiest hobby.

[Alawen]

My old roommate is a semi-professional yo-yoer and gets royalties because his name is on a specific model of yo-yo people buy ha. That's the closest I know to someone making a fair amount of money from a very obscure hobby...it's certainly not enough to pay the bills.

That's pretty cool, actually. I can yo-yo a little and I've always liked it. I've been working on body juggling. I like most dexterity skills.

I think the guy who maintains that earnings list and keeps it up-to-date probably has the spurgiest hobby.

That's from the WotC site. Whoever updates that is getting paid.

[Hasbinbad]

We have this group of old men who play "Flames of War" its basically warhammer based off of world war 2.

I change my mind they are the most annoying people I see at game shops.

They are 40+ year old fat men who have never served a day in the military in there life talking about how THEY would win the war in the middle east (Aka Nuke them all and cover the bombs in pig blood)

They scream and yell at each other and eat cheap hoagies from the store across the street all while saying how they should kill the Muslims/arabs/illegals etc.

We had to schedule Flames of War to a random Wednesday because it has no overlap with other games because they are the worst.
This is pretty much how I see everyone on rnf besides me.

[OMGWTF420]

for a second i thought this thread was about hobby

[Gunga]

That list is also over 7 years old. Some of those players have made quite a bit more. Also as was stated earlier most pro magic players make the jump into the WSOP and earn a lot more money. David Williams and Eric froelich are probably the most well know. Gabriel nassif is also another but im not sure he has had as much success.

[big league chew]

sum1 buy my blue hurricane

[Kagatob]

Also as was stated earlier most pro magic players make the jump into the WSOP and earn a lot more money.
Most is a big jump. To say even "A fair amount" would be a jump.

It also has little to nothing to do with Magic and everything to do with the natures of competitive environments in general, what you're saying implies that Magic eventually leads to poker which is simply not true. Many athletes for example participate in several sports but there is no direct correlation between any particular sports leading to participation in specific others.
David Williams and Eric froelich are probably the most well know. Gabriel nassif is also another but im not sure he has had as much success.
While I won't dispute that Eric Froehlich is living the dream, statistically he's an anomaly. David Williams for example has gotten himself in trouble multiple times in his Magic career for blatantly cheating.

Williams isn't an exception either, he was buddies with one of the most renowned Magic players Mike Long, who's been disqualified from at least 10 different high tier events for cheating. The creators of the game call him a villain, the players don't seem to care because they can't see past the fact that he "builds good decks".

[Alawen]

That list is also over 7 years old. Some of those players have made quite a bit more. Also as was stated earlier most pro magic players make the jump into the WSOP and earn a lot more money. David Williams and Eric froelich are probably the most well know. Gabriel nassif is also another but im not sure he has had as much success.

I completely missed the updated date. My bad!

[Alawen]

When did Williams get in trouble besides the Accumulated Knowledge thing in 2001? He got busted, he took his suspension like a man, and then he came back playing clean. Do you honestly think he's getting by cheating in the WSoP?

Why are you trying to pretend that there aren't dozens of pros making a nice income off Magic? You realize there aren't that many pros, right? You might want to keep in mind that a lot of these guys are my friends. One of the friends I caught up with at GP Minneapolis was David. He's a great guy. He's friendly, humble, and funny. He's also never been particularly close with Mike Long, though he played some of Mike's decks.

A lot of people played some of Mike's decks. Mike is an amazing deckbuilder. He was also a hellish opponent because even if he wasn't cheating, he was using wicked psychological tricks on you. Mike and I aren't close, but I think he deserves to be in the HoF. I think Mark Justice does, too, and *I* am actually the guy who caught him with the Muscle Sliver. The official account is wrong--they used the print run variation to prove it, but I was in the dealer room when he went to get the fourth sliver. That incident is the reason that premier event limited cards get stamped now.

If you think about it, WotC has done an excellent job of improving their officiating. Every guy who gets caught helps prevent future cheating.

You seem to be emotionally invested in bashing Magic right now. Your arguments are getting weaker and you're exaggerating and telling lies. I think you're pissed off that you don't have more anime allies in RnF and I'm confused by it. Surely there are forums where you can happily share your anime fandom? This just isn't one. For whatever reasons, this particular group of people doesn't have a lot of anime fans.

[Kagatob]

"I was there, I know all of them and I was actually the guy who caught him?"

I'm sorry but I'm not that gullible to believe all of those coincidences. Calling BS on all accounts.

Last time I heard such an elaborate claim was when they were trying to convince us Bush knocked down the towers.

[Alawen]

"I was there, I know all of them and I was actually the guy who caught him?"

I'm sorry but I'm not that gullible to believe all of those coincidences. Calling BS on all accounts.

Last time I heard such an elaborate claim was when they were trying to convince us Bush knocked down the towers.

As you wish. I played on the pro tour between 1997 and 1999.

[Barkingturtle]

In 1995 or 1996 I went to school with a kid (and during one semester we drank his family's liquor cabinet) whose step-dad had been one of the original creators of Magic but had sold his stake to WotC. Still, they had a whole room in their house stocked with unopened boxes of the cards, from floor to ceiling -- all from various different sets and stuff, I guess. I don't know, because I only dabbled in the early nineties and was more interested in PnP RPGs than card games, but I did steal one of those boxes because I knew it had value.

In one of my least proud moments, I was caught. They were pretty clever about it. The step-dad called my house and pretended to be a detective with the Colorado Springs Police and convinced me that if I just returned the box all would be forgiven. I brought it to school the next day and gave it to his stepson and they revealed their deception to which I replied: Doh.

That's my Magic story.

[Tiddlywinks]

You're all overlooking how the money in magic is actually made. Sure some people have pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars in tournament winnings, but people aren't making money off of tournament winnings.

They make their money by using their tournament winnings and continued success and then leverage that by content writing/theorycrafting/appearing elsewhere. Just take a look at http://www.starcitygames.com/ and look at all the pros/former pros that are being paid to write articles for SCG. On top of that, some of them (like chapin) have written books to further supplement their earnings.

Winning a pro-tour or worlds title is nice and all, but when the top earners have made under 400k in their lives, spread over the last 15 years that's not exactly enough to live on and have to do nothing else (unless you live in shit/squalor and live off of ramen). Sure those that play poker can win considerably more, and THEY can liv off their winnings, but not all magic players are successful poker pros.

Most earn their paychecks writing about magic for other sites or use their winnings to go to college/open up businesses etc.

Contrary to OP's narrative, having known some of these people they are not basement dwelling sperlords like the magic players you may encounter on Friday nights at your local gameshops. Most of the people winning tours and making a living off of magic are older, know they cannot live off of prize money alone, and generally pretty intelligent.

[Tiddlywinks]

Forgot to add, online/offline card sales in the secondary market are a HUGE part of the game. Not sure if any/how many pros successfully run/operate businesses that deal in cards, but it's a pretty decent gig, especially if you have connections to get cards for cheap/technical abilities to write online bots.

[Rhambuk]

They scream and yell at each other and eat cheap hoagies from the store across the street all while saying how they should kill the Muslims/arabs/illegals etc.

you can't kick them out?

[Tiddlywinks]

I wish I could edit my first post..

"You're all overlooking how the money in magic is actually made. Sure some people have pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars in tournament winnings, but people aren't making money off of tournament winnings.

They make their money"

Should read:

"You're all overlooking how the money in magic is actually made. Sure some people have pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars in tournament winnings, but people aren't making a living off of tournament winnings.

They make their living"

[Alawen]

There's some money in writing, but more in the cards. Adrian Sullivan and Mike Flores do okay, but both have other jobs. All the pros I know have other jobs except David Williams. Everyone I know plays for fun; the money is just a bonus. On the other hand, Ben Bleiweiss and Dan Bock (neither of whom were ever PT regulars) make big coin selling cards, and Steve Port makes a nice living running big events, distributing product, and running a couple stores. Dan Bock drives a black Lotus.

[Tiggles]

you can't kick them out?


I would of if it continued,but quarantining them to Wednesday let's them have the shop to themselves and flames of war stuff is very profitable.

[Gunga]

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Events.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/alltime

This is a current money winners top 200 list.

Also like was stated earlier. Pros may not make a decent living, but they still do stuff like write articles and have other side ways to make money. Also the perks of being a pro are pretty nice. I don't know many other hobbies that pay you to travel the world and play a card game.

In regards to the sperglords or freak fucks that play magic, they usually aren't the tournament players, but are usually the weird fuck EDH or commander players. They are like the rejects who don't fit in with the regular magic players. They are the ones that stink and sit off in their own little side group, because they are too socially awkward to talk to the other nerds.

[Kagatob]

^
Doesn't understand the concept behind "The social Magic format"

Tries to call players of it the opposite of what they are.

;)

[Tiggles]

In regards to the sperglords or freak fucks that play magic, they usually aren't the tournament players, but are usually the weird fuck EDH or commander players. They are like the rejects who don't fit in with the regular magic players. They are the ones that stink and sit off in their own little side group, because they are too socially awkward to talk to the other nerds.

Can confirm EDH players are always the smelly ultra nerds because bad EDH decks are very cheap and never rotate.

[Nordenwatch]

I remember the one and only "friday night magic" I went to at the local card shop... I beat this guy and he literally stood up, whipped his deck against the wall and stormed out.

[Alawen]

^
Doesn't understand the concept behind "The social Magic format"

Tries to call players of it the opposite of what they are.

;)

I'm very confused by you. Why do you intentionally make yourself the odd man out with no upside? Is it a search for identity? Does it actually surprise you that there is a big overlap between EverQuest players and Magic the Gathering players? Does it surprise you that competitive raiders tend to also be competitive card players?

I haven't taken part in ridiculing your anime hobby, but I find it pretty worthless. Do you ever draw your own anime, or does your hobby consist entirely of consuming entertainment and collecting memorabilia? I have very little respect for conspicuous consumption. I have trouble calling that a hobby at all. It seems like a precursor to hoarding.

Some of my high school classmates are into scrapbooking and stamping. I thought those were odd crafts--crafts for their own sake that require no skill or technique and that don't produce any useful items. However, people engaging in those pursuits are at least actively doing something.

There are worse things you could do with your time, but acting as a weebo evangelist is pretty annoying.

[Gunga]

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Doesn't understand the concept behind "The social Magic format"

Tries to call players of it the opposite of what they are.

;)

I understand the concept behind "social magic", everyone plays the game differently. I get that.

Im just saying, that at my store the weird fucks are the ones that play EDH because they are the social outcasts of the magic scene. They are the smelly ones, the ones that yell stupid shit, and also wear their goth gear with all the chains and ones that have fat girlfriends who like to wear animal ears and tails with their clothing. They also tend to stay away from the competitive format because they are either terrible at it, or they enjoy sitting around a table with 6 other people doing nothing but building up some army of whatever their deck is, and doing nothing for 40 turns.

Im not saying some competitive players aren't weird but if you want to find the creeps usually you just look at the freaks with 100 card decks sitting off in their own corner.

[Tiddlywinks]

All of this talk made me log in to MTGO for the first time in quite awhile. Apparently there is a new set out called "Modern Masters" where they reprinted a bunch of cards for use in modern tourneys so that newer players that wanted to play modern could get their hands on them.

So I decided to do a draft even though they are pretty expensive.. and bam pack one opened a 'goyf. Next 3 drafts = paid for :)

I'll probably be on drafting all weekend if anyone has an account and wants to play, pm me your name!

[Gunga]

All of this talk made me log in to MTGO for the first time in quite awhile. Apparently there is a new set out called "Modern Masters" where they reprinted a bunch of cards for use in modern tourneys so that newer players that wanted to play modern could get their hands on them.

So I decided to do a draft even though they are pretty expensive.. and bam pack one opened a 'goyf. Next 3 drafts = paid for :)

I'll probably be on drafting all weekend if anyone has an account and wants to play, pm me your name!

Modern masters is basically the Willy wonka set. You can open goyf and basically make yourself quite a bit of money, you can also open a double pack. Foil and regular.
Saw a dude in vegas get 2 regular and 1 foil out of 6 packs in the GP. He promptly dropped and walked away with about 600 in value for 5 minutes of opening packs.