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[r00t]

wxhy you delete my thread with my lacerated tendon?

[gotrocks]

wut?

did i miss something while i was out playing rl today?

[Hasbinbad]

because you touch yourself at night

BUT NO MORE SWITCH HITTING poor naez

[r00t]

im dopecd up on opiatces anyway

for those who don't know, its literally impossible to bust a nut on them

[r00t]

some of us still believe in freedom

http://i.imgur.com/TIvMBAt.jpg

I may never again experience freedom of moving my finger so i repost as a collage to protest this tyranny

http://i.imgur.com/qQUGxX2.jpg

[r00t]

Im hoping for roxys after i get the surgery done

[Hailto]

I do not do drugs. if you have any proof please feel free to post it.

Alright. We went way off topic. Someone post Relapse's swamp people picture.



That is so true haha, I just got my script of 90 norco 10's and x60 2mg xan bars. Along with 30 roxy's


Lol.

[Ishukone]

rekt

[Ishukone]

of course, bouncerr did get arrested for raping an underage girl and claimed it was for "hacking", as well.

[SamwiseRed]

of course, bouncerr did get arrested for raping an underage girl and claimed it was for "hacking", as well.

LOL wtf

[gotrocks]

you can bust a nut on opiates. just gotta work hard and have a fine piece of ass to fuck.

[r00t]

and a few hours to kill.. youll both be sore for days

[r00t]

if you dose it enough its hard to even piss, shit is locktite for your urethra

[gotrocks]

^ thats definitely true on both accounts.

[Clark]

of course, bouncerr did get arrested for raping an underage girl and claimed it was for "hacking", as well.

o.o

[Cecily]

Laceration + pic made me wince. Laceration of tendon made me cringe. Hope you're ok.

[Asap]

this thread is now about bouncerr. come back bro idgaf if you used mq

[Cecily]

if you dose it enough its hard to even piss, shit is locktite for your urethra

Are you getting insanely itchy? I thought it was good idea to take a friend's subxone once (without an opiate addiction). Oh wow, that was fun for 2 hours and living hell for about another 72.

[r00t]

yea opiates give histamine response. scratched my face up without realizing it yesterday

[Cecily]

No it's not. Fuck off.

[Cecily]

Yes.

[Stinkum]

Bouncerr's rap sheet has been posted here but I won't repost it, let's just say his criminal history in RL is as bad as it is IEQ.

[Stinkum]

Junkiesaywhat?

[kenzar]

Sorry, who are you? Oh yeah a bad poster no one likes. A no name in game.

the irony is palpable

[Hasbinbad]

Sorry, who are you? Oh yeah a bad poster no one likes. A no name in game.
I cannot believe you actually said that.

[Clark]

What's with these amatuers. Did pain pills for like 4 months after my surgery. Functioned fine. Quit them cold turkey was easy.

[kenzar]

The old Tattersail was a good friend I duo'd with all the time. Sucks. My threads did 70 pages, come at me.

lol, I created tattersail shortly after the naggy/vox level restriction was implemented. Im the only person to have ever played her.

[kenzar]

lol, I created tattersail shortly after the naggy/vox level restriction was implemented. Im the only person to have ever played her.

Liar. And I never duo'd with you or anyone. I leveled her completely solo 1-52, and then later solo 52-60 with the exception of one group in KC basement in order to get my medallion from Verix.

. My threads did 70 pages, come at me.

lol. when called a no name in game, u back it up with forum quest stats.

[Nirgon]

You cut yourself to get pain killers? What the.

[OngorDrakan]

you dont finger fuck your own dickhole because you will accidentally use superglue one time and lcoktite it bro.

also u skinz n bonz

[OngorDrakan]

oh shit its bouncerr 2.0
dude in in IRC bro

[Ishukone]

holy shit kill yourself you straw grasping mongoloid

[Ishukone]

lolumad

[gotrocks]

Are you getting insanely itchy? I thought it was good idea to take a friend's subxone once (without an opiate addiction). Oh wow, that was fun for 2 hours and living hell for about another 72.

suboxone is a really terrible opiate to take recreationally. It's really only meant for getting off dope/pills.its 3/4's naloxone (an opiate) and 1/4 an opiate antagonist (narcan, which is what they give addicts when they overdose to pull them out of their nod). Naloxone is a shitty opioid that doesn't really get you high. Next time if you really want to get fucked up try to get yourself some 80mg oxycontin and smoke that shit (if its not the new, tamper proof pills). You'll probably get sick but you'll be too high to care.

Or just do some heroin =P

What's with these amatuers. Did pain pills for like 4 months after my surgery. Functioned fine. Quit them cold turkey was easy.

Congrats! You probably took some weak ass shit and now you're a pro opiate user. Shut the fuck up and let some real ex/current addicts talk, thanks.

[Alawen]

Dilaudid is the best. With no tolerance, one 4mg tablet draws up clean and gets you off for hours.

[gotrocks]

Forgot to mention that one of the ingredients in suboxone, the narcan, being an opiate antagonist it's a REALLY bad idea to take it after you do dope/opiates. You need to wait at least 8 hrs after doing shit before you take a sub. If you don't, it will send you into IMMEDIATE and CRIPPLING withdrawals. It's really fucking bad. Fortunately i've never had to experience this, but i've seen it. Someone really close to me (I am not going to say who) overdosed in my car one day and stopped breathing. Somehow i managed to get them breathing again but he/she was REALLY fucked up and kept fading in and out, trying to run around outside the car, and generally just being totally out of control, so I made him/her let me shoot them up with some suboxone to knock them off their high. They went from being the most fucked up I've ever seen someone on a drug, including alcohol, to being stone cold sober in about 2 seconds after the shot went in. The narcan knocked them right the fuck out of their high, and then he/she went into brutal, agonizing withdrawals, and I nearly had to take them to the hospital it was so bad.

You don't ever want to have to go through that, so be very very careful when mixing suboxone with opiates. There is another very similar drug called subutex that doesn't have any narcan in it, and is safe to take before/after using opiates. It's worth mentioning that after taking a suboxone you can't get high on opiates for at least a good 8 hours, usually more, so don't waste your drugs after taking a suboxone. It's ok if you took a subutex because it doesn't have the narcan in it.

If you're unsure about something drug related, regardless of what it is, for the love of god please ask me first. Send me a pm and i'd be happy to answer your question. i've got a lot of experience with this shit, and i don't want to see some idiot shooting up wrong or overdosing on a speedball when they could have just asked for help. I'm also a young pharmacist. =P

[Tasslehofp99]

Jeez little finger wound and your on pain pills? Whar is wrong with people these days, pain is weakness leaving the body. Man up, deal with the pain. Why develope an addiction to pain killers when yoi can experience pain the way it was intended. Unless I have open heart surgery where they crack my ribcage open ill never take any painkillers, dopeheads are one of the lowest forms of life on earth





Btw bouncerr pls go kill yourself, you're using oxygen that small rodents would be more deserving to inhale instead of you. How no one nominated you for worst rnf poster ill never know, you've gotta be as dumb as sworen and twice the asshole he is. Why do you even post around here anymore, literally hated by everyone and we all know you have never been a legit eq player. Go play WOW/LOL and let us enjoy p99 without assholes like you and xosire running around being stupid.

[Hasbinbad]

Dilaudid has a lot of side effects and I shouldn't be giving advice like that.

[gotrocks]

^truth

[Alawen]

You say that as if using IV opiates for recreation is a bad thing.

[Hasbinbad]

dilaudid is not only iv route

[Alawen]

You're not having any anyway.

[Hailto]

Dilaudid has really low bio availability aside from IV, so its pretty much only used that way.

[gotrocks]

^ mostly true, but it is also perscribed in pill form

[gotrocks]

and nothing wrong with recreational opiate use, so long as it doesnt become an addiction, then its a problem.

[Hailto]

I have only had oxy and hydrocodone anyway, yall doin some crazy shit.

[gotrocks]

you guys are making me want to do a shot

[Hailto]

Would never IV, i don't even like to rail pills, i just eat them. Oxy has a really high oral bio avail anyway.

I generally partake in opiates once every couple months, I don't think its really an issue as long as you have enough will power to take breaks so it doesn't become a habit.

[Cecily]

Forgot to mention that one of the ingredients in suboxone, the narcan, being an opiate antagonist it's a REALLY bad idea to take it after you do dope/opiates. You need to wait at least 8 hrs after doing shit before you take a sub. If you don't, it will send you into IMMEDIATE and CRIPPLING withdrawals. It's really fucking bad. Fortunately i've never had to experience this, but i've seen it. Someone really close to me (I am not going to say who) overdosed in my car one day and stopped breathing. Somehow i managed to get them breathing again but he/she was REALLY fucked up and kept fading in and out, trying to run around outside the car, and generally just being totally out of control, so I made him/her let me shoot them up with some suboxone to knock them off their high. They went from being the most fucked up I've ever seen someone on a drug, including alcohol, to being stone cold sober in about 2 seconds after the shot went in. The narcan knocked them right the fuck out of their high, and then he/she went into brutal, agonizing withdrawals, and I nearly had to take them to the hospital it was so bad.

You don't ever want to have to go through that, so be very very careful when mixing suboxone with opiates. There is another very similar drug called subutex that doesn't have any narcan in it, and is safe to take before/after using opiates. It's worth mentioning that after taking a suboxone you can't get high on opiates for at least a good 8 hours, usually more, so don't waste your drugs after taking a suboxone. It's ok if you took a subutex because it doesn't have the narcan in it.

If you're unsure about something drug related, regardless of what it is, for the love of god please ask me first. Send me a pm and i'd be happy to answer your question. i've got a lot of experience with this shit, and i don't want to see some idiot shooting up wrong or overdosing on a speedball when they could have just asked for help. I'm also a young pharmacist. =P

Wow.

[gotrocks]

....wow?


im an ex addict, as most of the people on here know. When you're fucking with stuff that can kill you, you had better know what the fuck you're doing in an emergency.

Seen lots of people overdose. I know from those situations that I can keep a calm, clear, and focused mind when shit really hits the fan, where others would be (and have) freaked the fuck out. Been through some crazy shit but it's made me the good person I am today, and despite the hardships i wouldn't change a thing.

[Cecily]

Fucking defensive. I know tone doesn't carry very well over text, but uh let's say that wow was the best way I could describe my interest and respect your life experience and that story. Let's just say that say that my best friend's opiate addiction absolutely destroyed MY life. So yeah I have a little background with it too.

[Hailto]

Cecily just a misunderstood pixel-seeker.

[gotrocks]

Fucking defensive. I know tone doesn't carry very well over text, but uh let's say that wow was the best way I could describe my interest and respect your life experience and that story. Let's just say that say that my best friend's opiate addiction absolutely destroyed MY life. So yeah I have a little background with it too.

sorry cec, i didn't mean to come off as defensive, i just wasn't sure what you're message was supposed to convey.

i appreciate the explanation. I rarely put myself out here on the forums like this. Been having trouble sleeping lately and i suspect is affecting my judgement =P

if you ever want to chat about it shoot me a pm. sometimes it helps to talk about that kind of shit, even if its in the past.

[Cecily]

Cecily just a misunderstood pixel-seeker.

I'm designer (http://youtu.be/2qb1yPVBrN4)

[Grahm]

you can bust a nut on opiates. just gotta work hard and have a fine piece of ass to fuck.

opiates will make you itchy: FACT

opiates will make you jack off for 3+ hours: FACT

[Grahm]

if you dose it enough its hard to even piss, shit is locktite for your urethra

Didn't read rest of thread, but this is the most accurate statement I've ever heard

[Hailto]

Man, doug was such a good show

[Cecily]

Yeah it was. I whistle that theme song every now and then haha.

[gotrocks]

opiates will make you jack off for 3+ hours: FACT

lol i confirmed this a couple of posts later.

got lots of exp. with opiates

[Tasslehofp99]

Opiate addiction just another fine example of natural selection hard at work.



If people want to get high, why not smoke a bit of weed or drink something?
Why even risk catching a habit and ruining your life as well as those around you?
Its no mystery that dope is addictive and fucks you up....so why even take it in the first place unless you're like a really sick person who's about to die? I mean broken bones, tissue injuries, and other retarded reasons that most people use pain pills just seem so unnecessary.



Bottom line if you take opiates you're dumb, and when you die or fuck your life up bad no one is going to give a flying fuck. If they do, they're as dumb as you.


Just OD and die already junkie scum, am I right?
Someone else deserves the oxygen you're breathing way more

[gotrocks]

wow

[Cecily]

Wow.

[gotrocks]

yeah, that aint the good wow from a page or two ago either

[Hailto]

Troll success.

[Tasslehofp99]

wow

Wow.

Whats so suprising? People who take drugs generally feel shitty about themselves to begin with. May as well just go jump off a cliff and kill yourself quickly rather then injecting yourself or swallowing pills and dying slowly + making yourself look like shit + making anyone's life who cares about you shitty + making your own life shitty.


If you take opiates your a fucking moron, I have no remorse/sympathy for dope head junkies. Die with a needle stuck in your arm before you have to suck some dick for your next pill.

[Barkingturtle]

If you take opiates your a fucking moron,

*you're* a fucking moron.

[Alawen]

My current break from opiates is somewhere around 20 years. My two junk buddies are still junkies. One is currently methadone + ativan + weed, another is oxycodone + xanax + weed + booze. I love them both like brothers, but I can't be around them much. We were all pals for years before the drugs.

The methadone guy, I'll call him M, is on disability. He did something awful to both his ankles jumping over a fence. He's rail thin and lives mostly on soda, eats maybe one meal a day. His teeth are a disaster. M has stopped his heart at least twice that I know of with speedballs. He had some weird twitching and tremors thing for a while, but it mostly went away when he switched from klonopin to ativan.

I'll call the oxycodone guy O. All three of us were thin when we were young, but now O is fat. Really fat. He works a little bit, but mostly lives off an even fatter girl who he lives with. He had some sort of seizure and stroke a couple years ago when he was shooting something and now his memory is odd. He remembers old things vividly but has trouble forming new memories. He has a gambling problem to go with his chemical addiction, but never has enough money to indulge it much. Any extra money he gets disappears into drugs and cards, though.

As I've mentioned previously, I was a property manager for about a year in San Francisco. I ran one of the Shelter+Care buildings. All of my 63 residents were formerly homeless, mentally ill, and had some sort of substance addiction. About half had HIV or AIDS. Two addictions were consistently devastating, all the others were manageable. Meth addictions absolutely wreck people. It destroys tissue. I've never seen anyone kick a meth addiction.

The other really vicious addiction is booze. It destroys brain function. Alcoholics suffer by far the worst mood swings and withdrawal symptoms compared to other addicts. Lost brain function never seems to return. On a side note, schizophrenics are really fucked, too. The medications don't seem any better than the illness and symptoms seem to get progressively worse with age.

The most interesting thing I've noticed is that addiction is a true expression of individuality. Nothing anyone else says or does seems to have much impact on who develops a habit, and nothing anyone else says or does seems to have much impact on who kicks a habit. I know an incredible number of functional alcoholics who have jobs and families along with several drinks every day. What I think of as the typical American is addicted to alcohol, caffeine, and sugar, and manages resulting inflammation with over-the-counter pain killers--aspirin or ibuprofen.

[Reapin]

of course, bouncerr did get arrested for raping an underage girl and claimed it was for "hacking", as well.

If this is true, this fucking loser should be tagged in game to warn others. Just have "I am a sex offender" next to his name and all of his alts.

Make P99 safe for the children. TMO: Teen Molesting Organization

[Reapin]

My current break from opiates is somewhere around 20 years. My two junk buddies are still junkies. One is currently methadone + ativan + weed, another is oxycodone + xanax + weed + booze. I love them both like brothers, but I can't be around them much. We were all pals for years before the drugs.

The methadone guy, I'll call him M, is on disability. He did something awful to both his ankles jumping over a fence. He's rail thin and lives mostly on soda, eats maybe one meal a day. His teeth are a disaster. M has stopped his heart at least twice that I know of with speedballs. He had some weird twitching and tremors thing for a while, but it mostly went away when he switched from klonopin to ativan.

I'll call the oxycodone guy O. All three of us were thin when we were young, but now O is fat. Really fat. He works a little bit, but mostly lives off an even fatter girl who he lives with. He had some sort of seizure and stroke a couple years ago when he was shooting something and now his memory is odd. He remembers old things vividly but has trouble forming new memories. He has a gambling problem to go with his chemical addiction, but never has enough money to indulge it much. Any extra money he gets disappears into drugs and cards, though.

As I've mentioned previously, I was a property manager for about a year in San Francisco. I ran one of the Shelter+Care buildings. All of my 63 residents were formerly homeless, mentally ill, and had some sort of substance addiction. About half had HIV or AIDS. Two addictions were consistently devastating, all the others were manageable. Meth addictions absolutely wreck people. It destroys tissue. I've never seen anyone kick a meth addiction.

The other really vicious addiction is booze. It destroys brain function. Alcoholics suffer by far the worst mood swings and withdrawal symptoms compared to other addicts. Lost brain function never seems to return. On a side note, schizophrenics are really fucked, too. The medications don't seem any better than the illness and symptoms seem to get progressively worse with age.

The most interesting thing I've noticed is that addiction is a true expression of individuality. Nothing anyone else says or does seems to have much impact on who develops a habit, and nothing anyone else says or does seems to have much impact on who kicks a habit. I know an incredible number of functional alcoholics who have jobs and families along with several drinks every day. What I think of as the typical American is addicted to alcohol, caffeine, and sugar, and manages resulting inflammation with over-the-counter pain killers--aspirin or ibuprofen.

White people are so trashy.

[Alawen]

Why would you assume that my friends are white?

[Reapin]

Watch this for a look of what a junkies life is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XfP58clo1I

[Alawen]

Watch this for a look of what a junkies life is like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XfP58clo1I

I'm only a few minutes into this, but so far it's all directionless street kids. Junkies I've known continue doing whatever they were doing. I've known junky accountants, junky programmers, junky musicians. None of them quit their jobs to go live in Golden Gate Park. How are they supposed to buy junk if they stop working?

[Reapin]

I'm only a few minutes into this, but so far it's all directionless street kids. Junkies I've known continue doing whatever they were doing. I've known junky accountants, junky programmers, junky musicians. None of them quit their jobs to go live in Golden Gate Park. How are they supposed to buy junk if they stop working?

Suck cock like Visage

[r00t]

asked the doc to stop turnin me into an opiate addict so he gave me tramadol instead.

i will probably still ask for roxys after surgery just cuz thatll be no joke

[Reapin]

asked the doc to stop turnin me into an opiate addict so he gave me tramadol instead.

i will probably still ask for roxys after surgery just cuz thatll be no joke

If you need pain medication, you are a pussy.

[Alawen]

I ate about half a pound of carrots and an apple yesterday. I just made a scale model of Reapin.

[pharmakos]

im dopecd up on opiatces anyway

for those who don't know, its literally impossible to bust a nut on them

confirmed false

i can bust a nut on anything

[Reapin]

The only people who should be taking pain meds are people with advanced cancer or recovering from Hemorrhoid surgery. Everyone else should deal with the pain.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

what in the name of holy hell is wrong with you people

[Alawen]

The people going off on pill poppers are almost always alcoholics.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

The people going off on pill poppers are almost always alcoholics.

or, just old.

I'm kind of old. And as much as I hate to admit it, the body wears down. After smoking 2+ packs of ciggies a day for 15 years, I was going up a single flight of stairs and was running up it, and realized I was almost totally out of breath and sweating. Maybe it is just me. But I just realized at that moment, this is ridiculous. I was still young. The cigs were starting to take their inevitable toll. I went on the patch for 6 months and finally tapered to nothing, and have not had a single smoke since. 20 years later, I only can say, I can now still run up flights of stairs like I did when I was in my early 20's, and do.

I'm not preaching. I'm not judging. I could tell other stories about my substance mistakes and struggles. But the body wears down. And sometimes it can happen real fast. And substance abuse will grease those rails but good.

Think of it as game mechanics. Opiates have some of the worse aggro in game. Once it gets aggro on you, it is almost impossible to get it off. And before you know it, every day is the same: aggro, then feign death until the next day. Repeat.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

just be careful. and don't keep hurting yourself. no one deserves it.

[Alawen]

I don't think advice about any recreational chemical use has any impact. People like to catch a buzz, and they're going to do what they want to do. Proselytize if you wish, but it's only for your own benefit.

[r00t]

drugs are stupid and indica extracted into pill form should be the goto prescription pain reliever

[radditsu]

Yeah because people with broken spines and severe back pain should just "deal with it"

Yes, they should.

[Alawen]

Lots of little wannabe dictators hoping to control and punish the behavior of others.

Sad.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I don't think advice about any recreational chemical use has any impact. People like to catch a buzz, and they're going to do what they want to do. Proselytize if you wish, but it's only for your own benefit.

Hell I know that. I know better than to argue or reason with a junk fiend. They always got it all worked out. They are all the same, they talk the same, they act the same, because they are all in the same tiny little two room apartment called "need a fix/got a fix." And I've seen people in that little apartment for decades now; some leave, some get carried out by the paramedics. The ratio between the two leans toward the latter.

How do you know I haven't been in that room myself?

In any event, wise one, I'll say whatever the goddam fuck I want to say. And you can say whatever cock-in-mouth junkiespeak you want to say. Fair deal?

Bon voyage!

[Alawen]

Hell I know that. I know better than to argue or reason with a junk fiend. They always got it all worked out. They are all the same, they talk the same, they act the same, because they are all in the same tiny little two room apartment called "need a fix/got a fix." And I've seen people in that little apartment for decades now; some leave, some get carried out by the paramedics. The ratio between the two leans toward the latter.

How do you know I haven't been in that room myself?

In any event, wise one, I'll say whatever the goddam fuck I want to say. And you can say whatever cock-in-mouth junkiespeak you want to say. Fair deal?

Bon voyage!

You seem pretty mad, bro. Not sure how you come up with me being a junky. You seem very judgmental. Also mad, bad, sad, probably fat.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

You seem pretty mad, bro. Not sure how you come up with me being a junky. You seem very judgmental. Also mad, bad, sad, probably fat.

Not judgmental. Sincerely concerned. These substances are no joke.

But I wonder if the problem isn't compounded by illegality?

A friend of mine had a lower back injury about 15 years ago. He could not work, because he couldn't walk or sit up from the pain. But he liked his work (he is a reference librarian and archivist, and sits for hours transferring print and handwritten documents into digital media). He is currently, and has been for years, on a constant dose of fentanyl patches and now methadone as well. (I have no idea how pain meds work, but he has a complicated prescription.)

The end result is, he still has his career. He can work, and he is the official archivist now for a well-known artist, so he wins, imho. But he would be the first to tell you, the painkillers are impacting his life in so many ways. He has developed "co-morbid" problems that make his life pretty unpleasant.

But he has legal prescriptions because of a genuine medical condition. And it is still a huge burden on him, these kinds of drugs.

Illegality -- and all the shit that flows from that -- seems to make these drugs take even a worse toll.

I often wonder if, we should just make opiates legal, but requiring registration, so as to help people crawl out of the shadows of illegal use, and help them at least manage their addiction.

And yes, addiction is what it turns in to. These drugs are no joke. It is impossible to not become severely dependent on them if you use them regularly. Impossible.

I'm not mad, "bro" -- I'm just saying what I know to be fact. I apologize if my language harshed your mellow. But, fuck you anyway. Just because I'm not in the mood for either 1) your ignorance or 2) your BS.

These drugs are not toys. They will own you. Fast.

[Alawen]

My ignorance? Did you miss the part where two of my friends have long-term addictions and I managed an SRO full of formerly homeless junkies with mental illness?

You give a good self-righteous rant; it just doesn't make any sense. None of what you seem to consider wisdom will make any difference to anyone who reads it. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. I had the freedom to learn from my own mistakes, just like you.

But, please, feel free to continue getting all whipped up. Everyone wants valuable health advice from a guy who can't walk up a flight of stairs.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

My current break from opiates is somewhere around 20 years. My two junk buddies are still junkies. One is currently methadone + ativan + weed, another is oxycodone + xanax + weed + booze. I love them both like brothers, but I can't be around them much. We were all pals for years before the drugs.

The methadone guy, I'll call him M, is on disability. He did something awful to both his ankles jumping over a fence. He's rail thin and lives mostly on soda, eats maybe one meal a day. His teeth are a disaster. M has stopped his heart at least twice that I know of with speedballs. He had some weird twitching and tremors thing for a while, but it mostly went away when he switched from klonopin to ativan.

I'll call the oxycodone guy O. All three of us were thin when we were young, but now O is fat. Really fat. He works a little bit, but mostly lives off an even fatter girl who he lives with. He had some sort of seizure and stroke a couple years ago when he was shooting something and now his memory is odd. He remembers old things vividly but has trouble forming new memories. He has a gambling problem to go with his chemical addiction, but never has enough money to indulge it much. Any extra money he gets disappears into drugs and cards, though.

As I've mentioned previously, I was a property manager for about a year in San Francisco. I ran one of the Shelter+Care buildings. All of my 63 residents were formerly homeless, mentally ill, and had some sort of substance addiction. About half had HIV or AIDS. Two addictions were consistently devastating, all the others were manageable. Meth addictions absolutely wreck people. It destroys tissue. I've never seen anyone kick a meth addiction.

The other really vicious addiction is booze. It destroys brain function. Alcoholics suffer by far the worst mood swings and withdrawal symptoms compared to other addicts. Lost brain function never seems to return. On a side note, schizophrenics are really fucked, too. The medications don't seem any better than the illness and symptoms seem to get progressively worse with age.

The most interesting thing I've noticed is that addiction is a true expression of individuality. Nothing anyone else says or does seems to have much impact on who develops a habit, and nothing anyone else says or does seems to have much impact on who kicks a habit. I know an incredible number of functional alcoholics who have jobs and families along with several drinks every day. What I think of as the typical American is addicted to alcohol, caffeine, and sugar, and manages resulting inflammation with over-the-counter pain killers--aspirin or ibuprofen.

my apologies alawen. I did not see this post. Plz forgive my antagonistic attitude past few posts. I thought you were defending the "recreational" use of these drugs. I did not see this post where you explained your experience. Again, sorry.

[Reapin]

Yeah because people with broken spines and severe back pain should just "deal with it"

People want an easy way out of everything, especially Americans. They want to pop a pill to lose weight, get a hard on, dull minor pain etc. Well guess what? You are not doing yourself any favors by living that way. DEAL with it. If you can't natural less damaging substances can dull your pain.

I knew a guy with a back. He took medication to dull the pain and medication for the symptoms of that medication. He is popping 15 pills a day. It is ridiculous. Such people are sheep of the big pharma getting fleeced and damaging themselves in the process.

[pharmakos]

People want an easy way out of everything

thats what the Amish said when they decided technology is evil

[Kagatob]

People want an easy way out of everything, especially Americans. They want to pop a pill to lose weight, get a hard on, dull minor pain etc. Well guess what? You are not doing yourself any favors by living that way. DEAL with it. If you can't natural less damaging substances can dull your pain.

I knew a guy with a back. He took medication to dull the pain and medication for the symptoms of that medication. He is popping 15 pills a day. It is ridiculous. Such people are sheep of the big pharma getting fleeced and damaging themselves in the process.

After the pharmaceutical companies, blame the doctors/hospitals instead of the patients then. The patients aren't the source or perpetuation of the misinformation that convinces them they need all of the meds.

[Alawen]

my apologies alawen. I did not see this post. Plz forgive my antagonistic attitude past few posts. I thought you were defending the "recreational" use of these drugs. I did not see this post where you explained your experience. Again, sorry.

I was so baffled by an apology in RnF that I was momentarily speechless. Apparently I'm used to all of us being absolute fuckers to each other especially when we are dead wrong. In the interest of civility, I accept.

However, I don't think we are in agreement about this. While I don't advocate recreational drug use, neither do I condemn it. I'll continue my thoughts below Reapin's quote.

People want an easy way out of everything, especially Americans. They want to pop a pill to lose weight, get a hard on, dull minor pain etc. Well guess what? You are not doing yourself any favors by living that way. DEAL with it. If you can't natural less damaging substances can dull your pain.

I knew a guy with a back. He took medication to dull the pain and medication for the symptoms of that medication. He is popping 15 pills a day. It is ridiculous. Such people are sheep of the big pharma getting fleeced and damaging themselves in the process.

This is a pretty hard line you're drawing. My thoughts are split somewhere between compassion and personal responsibility.

By some coincidence, I talked to my friend M earlier today. We talked about his cats, his plans to check out the cute gay girls at Pride, the differences between painting with acrylics and oils. I never, never nag him about his drug use. It wouldn't accomplish anything except alienating one of my oldest friends. We've known each other since our teens.

Philosophically, I think we live in a confusing world. At some level, I think we all know that we are unnecessary. By this, I mean that nothing will really change if we quit our jobs, or die, or spend our time taking drugs and playing video games, or anything else. A handful of people will notice for a while, but no one is going to starve if we're gone. Nothing will cease to exist except our own personal interests.

Ironically, this is because life has become too easy. We're not needed to grow crops, herd animals, grind grain, bind wounds, set bones, sew clothes. We're all easily interchangeable and replaceable. Yet we think that we are expected to grind away at some pointless job pushing paper and bits, so we talk about how busy we are while we're really watching the clock until it's time to go home. We're still genuinely stressed by this synthetic pressure.

On the other hand, we have this great freedom. Some of us are empowered by this and take advantage of our luxurious existence.

I think it's hard to condemn people for failing to figure out their place in the world. I think most people are doing the best they can with what they know at the time.

For me, the meaning of life is to be happy. Conversely, if you are happy, you are failing at life, and furthermore it's your own fault. Some people seem to need a healthy buzz to face the day. I think those choices are their own. It honestly makes no difference to me if they're grinding away at some pointless task or drooling on themselves in front of the television.

[Alawen]

The second sentence in my last paragraph should read "Conversely, if you are unhappy, ..."

[Reapin]

I was so baffled by an apology in RnF that I was momentarily speechless. Apparently I'm used to all of us being absolute fuckers to each other especially when we are dead wrong. In the interest of civility, I accept.

However, I don't think we are in agreement about this. While I don't advocate recreational drug use, neither do I condemn it. I'll continue my thoughts below Reapin's quote.



This is a pretty hard line you're drawing. My thoughts are split somewhere between compassion and personal responsibility.

By some coincidence, I talked to my friend M earlier today. We talked about his cats, his plans to check out the cute gay girls at Pride, the differences between painting with acrylics and oils. I never, never nag him about his drug use. It wouldn't accomplish anything except alienating one of my oldest friends. We've known each other since our teens.

Philosophically, I think we live in a confusing world. At some level, I think we all know that we are unnecessary. By this, I mean that nothing will really change if we quit our jobs, or die, or spend our time taking drugs and playing video games, or anything else. A handful of people will notice for a while, but no one is going to starve if we're gone. Nothing will cease to exist except our own personal interests.

Ironically, this is because life has become too easy. We're not needed to grow crops, herd animals, grind grain, bind wounds, set bones, sew clothes. We're all easily interchangeable and replaceable. Yet we think that we are expected to grind away at some pointless job pushing paper and bits, so we talk about how busy we are while we're really watching the clock until it's time to go home. We're still genuinely stressed by this synthetic pressure.

On the other hand, we have this great freedom. Some of us are empowered by this and take advantage of our luxurious existence.

I think it's hard to condemn people for failing to figure out their place in the world. I think most people are doing the best they can with what they know at the time.

For me, the meaning of life is to be happy. Conversely, if you are happy, you are failing at life, and furthermore it's your own fault. Some people seem to need a healthy buzz to face the day. I think those choices are their own. It honestly makes no difference to me if they're grinding away at some pointless task or drooling on themselves in front of the television.

I agree with you. This false construct that we find ourselves born into is meaningless and of no relevance. I personally reject all expectations society has. I do not care about anything other than the well being and happiness of my friends, family and people in my community. We are tribal creatures meant to live in small groups with each person having a vital role in that group.

Many of the problems we face with drug abuse, violence and psychotic behavior come from the fact that we no longer live in such a social system. We are essentially the same people we were when we were hunters and gatherers. Evolution is a slow process and perhaps we will never succeed because our society changes too quickly for our biology to catch up.

[gotrocks]

i have to say i agree with almost everything alawen has said, and having gone through it myself and having also seen plenty of people do the same, i can say without a doubt that drugs are a horrible thing. There are a select few people who can take them recreationally and not have a problem but they are few and far between. Most people are going to get addicted and it will eventually ruin their lives.

I especially agree with what you said about meth and alcohol, those two are really really bad. Alcohol seems to take much longer to really start to ruin someones body/life, but meth is especially dangerous and acts quickly. very few people come back from a serious meth addiction, and it usually fucks people over withing a few years of starting if not less. Crack is another really bad one, and can do lasting mental damage just like meth. I've seen some poeple very very close to me go crazy from crack, and it took them a long long time to balance back out an be able to think like a normal person again.

I do not, however, think that addicts should be punished, shunned, or anything of the sort. They shouldn't be put down. They're not just wasting our air. Each one is an individual, and they all have the potential to clean themselves up and do something great. Not that many do, but the potential is there, and everyone deserves that chance to make things right. Anyone who thinks like that is ignorant as hell and probably feels that way because someone in their life that was supposed to be a role model or take care of them (like a father or uncle) was an addict, and now they will always have that prejudice against people like that.

Sadre and alawen, you two basically agree with each other with just a couple minor differences. It was really cool to see sadre apologize, and even though most of his posts dont make sense and are very weird, he's gained a couple points in my book for admitting he was wrong.

[r00t]

if i lose mobility in my finger can i collect obamabux disabilityy? technically typing on computers is 420% of my profession...

[Kagatob]

Can you please just die already?

[Reapin]

That's like saying you walk because cars are a easier way to travel. Your arguement is stupid and invalid. Obviously never felt pain so bad that when you wake up you want to go back to sleep it hurts so bad, but you cant even do that. So please run along and go play some skip scotch faggot.

Go take your meds you child molesting pussy.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

I think it's hard to condemn people for failing to figure out their place in the world. I think most people are doing the best they can with what they know at the time.




/agree. I watched that documentary posted earlier in this thread. It's not a pretty world for everyone. And there are a lot of people who feel "disposable," and they do the best they can to still live and feel alive.

But this is getting ridiculous. We need a new forum called "concord and agreement." But fuck that. I need to somehow redeem this situation. Ah, I know...

nerf bards

[Alawen]

Oops. I didn't mean to create some weird cascade of concurrence. I actually played on P99 tonight, too. I have no idea what's going on. I'll try to stir up some shit after I get some sleep.

[Sadre Spinegnawer]

too late. i think this thread has attained carebear status. Moderator: plz move this thread to appropriate forum, k thnx.

Carebear Alley?

[r00t]

if i lose mobility in my finger can i collect obamabux disabilityy? technically typing on computers is 420% of my profession...

http://i.imgur.com/UmhDyQo.png

[r00t]

haha one of my half assed unfinished programs

http://i.imgur.com/CxO55hC.png

[r00t]

was gonna be a content spinner with paid cloud thesaurus service... here's proof of concept

http://i.imgur.com/7q3LYdP.png

[radditsu]

p.s Tanrin is a faggot



http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=KK_STSixA2E